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Post by neonmercury1 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:03 pm

nimmen wrote:I'm also building "sergy" cases, wonder if anyone could post their "mainly serge" racks as example, starting to lack ideas on what to add and how to balance it well (it will be 12u x 84 "portable" case). Or at least could tell me what other complimentary modules(non serge) they find very nice to have.
At the moment have:
this is my 7u "sergey" setup
i find i lack some gated envelopes and would always use more vcas and mixers. also waiting for the 1u sequencer coming hopefully this year. i usually dont have the dsp in there but i have it in there to use with W/ and my DX7II which is a strange addition to the sergey style. I have thought also about swapping the mmg and rubicon for NTO and VCFQ but i feel like i like it better this way and will save that for when i go BANANAS... :bananaguitar: sometimes i also think of swapping the tides for just friends and mmg for sisters (which are in the other case) but have yet to try. I feel like i will lose the black hole and add a pico dsp or wmd dplr, pico logic, and two pipslopes.

ANYWAY I dig it. full serge it is not but i coax some wild stuff out of here! I mainly use for making darker ambient work, samples, and sound design to feed my digitakt and op1.

i have another 9u case that i usually keep as a separate instrument for techno along with digitakt.Image

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Post by FatRocky » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:09 pm

is anyone here finding interesting or keeping the 4ms RCD, SCM and PEG together with the R*S euro Serge modules? or would you be able to get those functions by using the euro Serge modules themselves?

just trying to get funds to buy more R*S by selling my 4ms but thinking they will pair great

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Post by gnome666 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:09 pm

FatRocky wrote:is anyone here finding interesting or keeping the 4ms RCD, SCM and PEG together with the R*S euro Serge modules? or would you be able to get those functions by using the euro Serge modules themselves?

just trying to get funds to buy more R*S by selling my 4ms but thinking they will pair great
Funny you should post this cuz just last night I slipped my unused RCD into my all euroserge case after watching a bunch of 4U serge videos with people using the pulse divider module. Although you can use the DUSG or Ncom to accomplish a similar thing, the R*S euro modules take up a fair amount of space, and I always felt that I would be underutilizing the DUSG by tying it up for pulse division duties. IMHO the RCD is essentially like the 4U pulse divider module in a small HP cost 3U size.

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Post by murch33 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:16 pm

NTO user here, and I have the Wave Multiplier on the way. My case is slowly becoming more Serge-y. I'm keeping an eye out for the Resonant EQ as well.

I've already got several filters that I really like, so I'm kind of going out of my way to avoid listening to too many demos of the R*S filters. :help:

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Post by thetaflux » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:43 pm

Diving headfirst into the random source serge lineup this summer. So far i've built the VCFS and VCFQ, and have the parts for several NTOs, DUSGs, VCFQs, RESEQs, TWS and SSG and the Ring Mod on the way as part of a small run i'm doing. when all is said and done i hope to keep a RESEQ, DUSG x2, VCM and a SSG.



here are some potential layouts for performance cases i've been kicking around that heavily feature serge modules. Both are designed to be accompanied by a TKB in a skiff case for melodic sequencing duties. the first is a 12u 84hp performance case, with each row in the upper half being a 'voice'. the matrix mixer allows me to dynamically switch the routing of oscillators and filters without patching, and theres a pretty intricate generative clocking section in there featuring the Arc Artificial Neural Network(an amazing module btw).

the second is a fun idea to pair a MN B&G Shared System with a rough equivalent in R*S modules. this system would be in two MN CV bus cases.

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here's a fun acid jam i did with the VCFS https://soundcloud.com/thetaflux/three-naught-three

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Post by gnome666 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:07 pm

A messy patched pic of my euroserge setup. Modules:
R*S: DUSG, SSG, NTO, NCOM, VCFS, VCFQ, TWM, TWS, RINGMOD, RESEQ
ARC: Noise, AudioMixer
Other: 4MS RCD, Pam's New Workout, Tangle Quartet, 2HP verb and quantizer

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Post by Biom » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:12 pm

Ring mod demos are HIGHLY appreciated! :guinness:

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Post by stickmann » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:58 pm

Hey Biom, I uploaded a snippet and put it up on the Serge Ring post.

Cool system gnome666. It looks pretty similar to mine! How do you like the ResEQ? I have been seriously considering swapping out 10hp in my current setup to make room for the 4MS RCD and a logic module to replicate the Edelweiss setup. But then I think I should just go bananas.

Thetaflux, I'd highly recommend the 3 DUSG setup over a mix of R*S and Make Noise. I can speak from experience that the two manufacturers use different voltage standards so you can't fully open LxD, QMMG, or filter using the R*S modules. Make noise is either +8v for gates and expect 10v for modulation so it doesn't work out all that well. Serge uses 5v max. You could find a way to amplify the signal but I just figured it made more sense to get more Serge. :hihi:

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Post by stickmann » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:05 pm

Here is my system:

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Obscured by light is the VCM.

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Post by FatRocky » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:08 pm

how can i get clock multiplication with Random Source Euro Serge modules?

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Post by gummyboy » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:27 am

Is NTO more expensive in UK?

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Post by blinosynth » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:56 am

If only the dusg was smaller :cry:
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Post by pugix » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:41 am

Has anyone combined Random*Source modules with Elby-Serge modules? Elby-Serge has quite a few more Serge modules than Random*Source has come out with yet. Also, can anyone compare the R*S DUSG with the Elby-Serge VCS? Or the Resonant EQs?
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Post by Biom » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:49 am

pugix wrote:Elby-Serge has quite a few more Serge modules than Random*Source has come out with yet.
Some modules will never come out, because of the unobtainable parts. The rest is already covered by RS effectively, with lots of new and cool features. The good news is you can build your instrument with CGS and STS panels that work with RS flawlessly all together. Some of them are rare and cost a fortune, but they worth it, much more than a $10k Arp 2600 on ebay or a case of euro.

As far as DUSG's concerned, R*S DUSG is the best dusg (have a look at their XL version as well). Same goes for NTO.

Resonant EQ is a bit more intricate topic. There were some variations, though without some or the other sounding duller or worse, just different. You may get into details in the dedicated thread: viewtopic.php?p=2813033&highlight=#2813033

@stickmann: that Ring patch was very-well made! Very informative indeed. Thank you!

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Post by pugix » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:01 am

Biom wrote:
pugix wrote:Elby-Serge has quite a few more Serge modules than Random*Source has come out with yet.
Some modules will never come out, because of the unobtainable parts. The rest is already covered by RS effectively, with lots of new and cool features. The good news is you can build your instrument with CGS and STS panels that work with RS flawlessly all together. Some of them are rare and cost a fortune, but they worth it, much more than a $10k Arp 2600 on ebay or a case of euro.

As far as DUSG's concerned, R*S DUSG is the best dusg (have a look at their XL version as well).
I have not seen a Random*Source offering of the 1973 EG, the Extended ADSR, the Negative Slew, or the Positive Slew, or a Noise Source. I've built all of these except the Extended ADSR. The Negative Slew is one of my favorite Serge modules.

http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-serge-negative-slew/
http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-serge-positi ... and-noise/
http://pugix.com/synth/serge-1973-envel ... le-switch/

All of these are indicated as currently available for Elby-Serge on Modular Grid.
Biom wrote:Same goes for NTO.
Is anyone else offering the NTO?
Biom wrote:Resonant EQ is a bit more intricate topic. There were some variations, though without some or the other sounding duller or worse, just different. You may get into details in the dedicated thread: viewtopic.php?p=2813033&highlight=#2813033
Thanks for that topic link. I need to pay more attention to the Serge threads. I've built quite a few of Ken Stone's CGS Serge. At the moment I'm doing some research for a friend who wants to get a large Serge rack in Euro format.

http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-serge-ssg/
http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-serge-dual-u ... generator/
http://pugix.com/synth/serge-ring-mod-p ... equalizer/
http://pugix.com/synth/serge-vcfq-and-s ... e-shapers/
http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-serge-positi ... and-noise/
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Post by pugix » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:44 pm

I just ordered a Random*Source Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator mk2 full kit from Thonk. I have a CGS DUSG (with banana jacks) and two CGS VCS (in MOTM with 1/4 inch jacks). It will be fun to compare these. And now I'll have a DUSG in Eurorack!
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Post by Biom » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:45 pm

pugix wrote: I have not seen a Random*Source offering of the 1973 EG, the Extended ADSR, the Negative Slew, or the Positive Slew, or a Noise Source. I've built all of these except the Extended ADSR. The Negative Slew is one of my favorite Serge modules.

Is anyone else offering the NTO?
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Random*Source has dual Extended ADSR (not the most exciting module to me) and, of course, the Noise Source, coupled with SSG.

NTO and Precision vco's were done by STS and CGS too.

As for the euro format, you're right, the RS selection of modules is very Animal at the moment. I think it's because lots of stuff can be replicated with euro modules, which sometimes could become a mess.
Euro-serge has its benefits for sure, until you realise you could never have Klangzeit, for instance.

Congrats with the DUSG! You'll need attenuators to use it with other euro.

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Post by pugix » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:19 am

Biom wrote:
pugix wrote: I have not seen a Random*Source offering of the 1973 EG, the Extended ADSR, the Negative Slew, or the Positive Slew, or a Noise Source. I've built all of these except the Extended ADSR. The Negative Slew is one of my favorite Serge modules.

Is anyone else offering the NTO?
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Random*Source has dual Extended ADSR (not the most exciting module to me) and, of course, the Noise Source, coupled with SSG.

NTO and Precision vco's were done by STS and CGS too.

As for the euro format, you're right, the RS selection of modules is very Animal at the moment. I think it's because lots of stuff can be replicated with euro modules, which sometimes could become a mess.
Euro-serge has its benefits for sure, until you realise you could never have Klangzeit, for instance.

Congrats with the DUSG! You'll need attenuators to use it with other euro.
Thanks!

Do you have any links for the STS or CGS NTOs in any panel format? I haven't been able to find them. Not on Modular Grid either.

I've been looking for places to buy R*S kits, full or partial. Besides Thonk, I see some on Modular Addict. Anywhere else?
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Post by tnktni » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:00 am

There are a few R*S kits available from Control, though most of them are sold out:
https://www.ctrl-mod.com/collections/diy/DIY-Kit

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Post by tnktni » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:51 am

Additional Q: I am wondering if any users can give insight on the functional/tonal differences between the Variable Slope filter (VCFS) and the Variable Resonance filter (VCFQ)? Judging by pics and demos, it seems like:

- VCFQ has a dedicated ping input and has that unique resonance tone
- VCFS has a crossfade control between 2 inputs

Thanks.

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Post by pugix » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:45 am

tnktni wrote:There are a few R*S kits available from Control, though most of them are sold out:
https://www.ctrl-mod.com/collections/diy/DIY-Kit
Thanks. I forgot to check some of my usual vendors, thinking they had only fully assembled modules. Seems that Perfect Circuit has a few kits, too.

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/eur ... ndex=brand
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Post by tnktni » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:35 am

FWIW I've also seen some folks on Buy/Sell forum here and on ModularGrid selling kits they didn't end up building as well.

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Post by Biom » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:55 pm

pugix wrote: Do you have any links for the STS or CGS NTOs in any panel format? I haven't been able to find them. Not on Modular Grid either.

I've been looking for places to buy R*S kits, full or partial. Besides Thonk, I see some on Modular Addict. Anywhere else?
Modgrid has a whole "Serge" section.

The kits are available through randomsource.net directly as well.

4U subforum is your best place to start, I think

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Post by cloudleft » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:10 pm

Are all 5 of the R*S NTO's wave outputs simultaneously available? If so, is there any noticeable change in gain behavior when patching out multiple waves?

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Post by pelang » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:15 am

tnktni wrote:Additional Q: I am wondering if any users can give insight on the functional/tonal differences between the Variable Slope filter (VCFS) and the Variable Resonance filter (VCFQ)? Judging by pics and demos, it seems like:

- VCFQ has a dedicated ping input and has that unique resonance tone
- VCFS has a crossfade control between 2 inputs

Thanks.
VCFQ feels like driving a Ferrari (i admit i never did that : ) Quite sensitive with lots of power
VCFS is easier going. But the sound is great too

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