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Thinking about getting a Phenol...
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AR126
i realize there's already a thread in the modular synth forum,but i thought
i might ask here.
where i live,modular anything is nonexistent,so i can't try one,but this
synth seems pretty attractive.
sure,there are online demo's but...
basically what i'm going by is what forum members are saying.
it's a few $$ beyond my budget,but i think i could scrape it up.

so,what that means is if i do get it,everything else gets put on hold
(sort of,anyway).
i'm wondering if i'm getting blinded by the "wow factor",or is it worth it to
shift gears for a while?
Thanks
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
i realize there's already a thread in the modular synth forum,but i thought
i might ask here.
where i live,modular anything is nonexistent,so i can't try one,but this
synth seems pretty attractive.
sure,there are online demo's but...
basically what i'm going by is what forum members are saying.
it's a few $$ beyond my budget,but i think i could scrape it up.

so,what that means is if i do get it,everything else gets put on hold
(sort of,anyway).
i'm wondering if i'm getting blinded by the "wow factor",or is it worth it to
shift gears for a while?
Thanks


well, I have one. I really like it. The sound is hard, not soft and moogy. I think that it excels with extreme modulations - really like it with stuff like the blippoo and ciat lonbarde.
AR126
Thanks Nelson!
ironically,it was you who brought this synth to my attention.
(i believe it was the phenol/creature thread)
so anyway,from the way you described it,i thought"hmm,i ought to check
this out.."
since time is standing still in other pursuits,this one's tugging at me
pretty strongly.
Cheers
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
Thanks Nelson!
ironically,it was you who brought this synth to my attention.
(i believe it was the phenol/creature thread)
so anyway,from the way you described it,i thought"hmm,i ought to check
this out.."
since time is standing still in other pursuits,this one's tugging at me
pretty strongly.
Cheers


well, you know, these things so come down to a matter of taste....

do you have other banana jack gear? or other modular with banana to 1/8" conversion?
AR126
Damn...
all that occurred to me this morning.

no other banana jack gear or capabilities for conversion.
yet another rabbit hole...
but,as you point out,it's a matter of taste.

6 of one,half dozen of the other...

i'll need to do some more poking around/budget juggling,whatever.
Thanks
zeit
Personally, I think you'd be happy with it. smile It wasn't until I actually was able to play it in person that I realized how nice it sounded to me. You can do clean/clinical types of sounds (which I prefer) or more harsher tones, it's pretty flexible....my crappy PC soundcard really didn't do the online demos justice so I'm glad I didn't just go on that.

Of course, like was mentioned, it's a matter of taste but I am very happy with it.

I'd really like to see Andrew come out with a panel that adds even more modulation to the Phenol (not that the Phenol doesn't already do a lot of that, it does) but if that doesn't happen I'll look at other options. In fact, I like what Kilpatrick has done with the Phenol so much I might go for Carbon if that ends up happening. It's not the ideal sequencer for me, like that KOMA one I've seen, but I like the Phenol so much I definitely feel good about buying the stuff he puts out....it's built solid too, it doesn't feel like a toy. Worth every dollar I spent on it.
Nelson Baboon
just don't want the op to be disappointed because of lack of modulation. given that he's posted in the noise forum, I suspect that he wants to modulate it dramatically, in theory

if one likes the sound, one can build towards this gradually.

I'm a little wary of the carbon because i don't have a clear sense of how much control I will relinquish. (well, plus I'm not lacking for sequencing) but obviously it is way cheaper than the Komplex, which to my taste, is the coolest current sequencer.

something like the blippoo is ideal, it's curious patterns going very well with the hard sound of the phenol. and then the cocoquantus (expensive) where you can not only modulate, but record/delay/loop and fuck it up pretty drastically.

but that's a good question - what is an economical starting modulator for it? I do suspect that he has tested the Carbon with it (despite the difference in formats) so that might be a good way to go, eventually.
zeit
I am totally unfamiliar with the Blippoo. I definitely need to check that out soon. I am familiar with the Cocoquantus but I had no idea you could take a patch from the Phenol, for example, and patch it into the Cocoquantus and then have the CQ modulate the sound of the Phenol? eek! If so, wow....I need to look at possibly getting a CQ sometime next year. lol
Nelson Baboon
zeit wrote:
I am totally unfamiliar with the Blippoo. I definitely need to check that out soon. I am familiar with the Cocoquantus but I had no idea you could take a patch from the Phenol, for example, and patch it into the Cocoquantus and then have the CQ modulate the sound of the Phenol? eek! If so, wow....I need to look at possibly getting a CQ sometime next year. lol


oh yes. the cq is both an fx device, and a modulator of other things, potentially simultaneously.
AR126
Hello again folks,
thank-you very much for all the feedback.
according to Andrew(and the manual)the Phenol works
very well just patched to itself(going to need more cables though)
so unless other things resurrect from limbo,i think i'm going to
pick one up.
Cheers!
zeit
Nice! w00t
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
Hello again folks,
thank-you very much for all the feedback.
according to Andrew(and the manual)the Phenol works
very well just patched to itself(going to need more cables though)
so unless other things resurrect from limbo,i think i'm going to
pick one up.
Cheers!


i've never tried its sequencer - it does work well with a midi sequencer, as I recall, which adds to its capabilities.
AR126
i talked to one of the techs @foxtone,and he said the envelopes do
steppy things(or something like that)for arpeggiations.
i mentioned i had an sq-1 and he said that that was something he was
going to suggest(pretty cool...)
so,hopefully,i'll soon have a Phenol in my hands...
Thanks
tIB
Perhaps worth mentioning that you can make (or buy from Bugbrand) banana to 3.5mm cables- you just need to have one that has a ground connector wire and then the rest can be normal 3.5mm to banana. There's no need for a convertor box as useful as they are.

Enjoy the phenol- I was very impressed on my brief play with one.
AR126
tIB wrote:
Perhaps worth mentioning that you can make (or buy from Bugbrand) banana to 3.5mm cables- you just need to have one that has a ground connector wire and then the rest can be normal 3.5mm to banana. There's no need for a convertor box as useful as they are.

Enjoy the phenol- I was very impressed on my brief play with one.


Thanks!
depending on whatever change i have left,i'll be doing something to that
effect(i'd like to see what happens if run a Maths into it)
Cheers
tIB
Fun things will happen. You might find this page helpful in terms of describing better what I meant by the dual cable: http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id =117
Nelson Baboon
tIB wrote:
Fun things will happen. You might find this page helpful in terms of describing better what I meant by the dual cable: http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id =117


I personally like having a converter box to use for the first connection, and then using direct cabling. Next time I order from Tom, I will have to order tons of those cables. I only have a few, and they are way too long....kilpatrick actually sells banana to 1/8 cables, but they seemed quite expensive.
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
tIB wrote:
Perhaps worth mentioning that you can make (or buy from Bugbrand) banana to 3.5mm cables- you just need to have one that has a ground connector wire and then the rest can be normal 3.5mm to banana. There's no need for a convertor box as useful as they are.

Enjoy the phenol- I was very impressed on my brief play with one.


Thanks!
depending on whatever change i have left,i'll be doing something to that
effect(i'd like to see what happens if run a Maths into it)
Cheers


the maths should be fun.....I'm not up on the latest euro stuff, but I imagine that a turing machine would be pretty fun also....
tIB
Nelson Baboon wrote:
tIB wrote:
Fun things will happen. You might find this page helpful in terms of describing better what I meant by the dual cable: http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id =117


I personally like having a converter box to use for the first connection, and then using direct cabling. Next time I order from Tom, I will have to order tons of those cables. I only have a few, and they are way too long....kilpatrick actually sells banana to 1/8 cables, but they seemed quite expensive.


They are really easy to shorten if you are that way inclined- just a small screwdriver needed and a wire cutter/stripper.
AR126
i did check out the Bugbrand site.
says the cables are only for Bugbrand stuff(maybe that's a formality)
they seem pretty straight forward(Andrews cables are banana to trs and
one 1/4(?)

add'ly,
a Turing machine would pretty fun indeed.
at this point(if i have the $$ to spare)i'll probably go w/a utl-1.
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
i did check out the Bugbrand site.
says the cables are only for Bugbrand stuff(maybe that's a formality)
they seem pretty straight forward(Andrews cables are banana to trs and
one 1/4(?)

add'ly,
a Turing machine would pretty fun indeed.
at this point(if i have the $$ to spare)i'll probably go w/a utl-1.


well, I think that Tom's are cheaper than Andrews. They have worked thus far for me. I don't need a grounding cable....I do plan to pick up one of the new weevils, so I can beg him to send me a bunch with that purchase. and I would be using them with bugbrand stuff, lots of the time.
AR126
Andrew has 4+1(ground,i guess)for $32,and Bugbrand are 2 for 12 pounds
($18)

seems pretty close(i don't know what the difference in shipping would be)
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
Andrew has 4+1(ground,i guess)for $32,and Bugbrand are 2 for 12 pounds
($18)

seems pretty close(i don't know what the difference in shipping would be)


well, what is deficient then is my memory!!
AR126
Nelson Baboon wrote:
AR126 wrote:
Andrew has 4+1(ground,i guess)for $32,and Bugbrand are 2 for 12 pounds
($18)

seems pretty close(i don't know what the difference in shipping would be)


well, what is deficient then is my memory!!


understandable,
you're a busy guy...
Cheers
Nelson Baboon
AR126 wrote:
Nelson Baboon wrote:
AR126 wrote:
Andrew has 4+1(ground,i guess)for $32,and Bugbrand are 2 for 12 pounds
($18)

seems pretty close(i don't know what the difference in shipping would be)


well, what is deficient then is my memory!!


understandable,
you're a busy guy...
Cheers


Busy forgetting....
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