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jjclark
OK, here is a thread for the intellijel/Cylonix Rainmaker module.

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jjclark
The Rainmaker was designed and developed by Jim Clark (FPGA firmware, front panel board electronics), Danjel van Tijn (pcb layouts, display board electronics, front panel, great ideas on features), and Kamal Kisiel (display board firmware).
jjclark
The main features of the Rainmaker are:

• Stereo delay line with 16-taps
• Each of the 16 taps has its own set of audio processors:
o 2nd order resonant multi-mode filter (LP,BP,HP) with adjustable cutoff frequency and resonance
o Level and Balance setting, with quick mute capabillity
o +/- 1 octave granular pitch shifter (1,2 or 4 grains with adjustable grain size)
• Delay line feedback can be taken from any of the 16 taps (pre-filter) or from the sum of the 16 taps (post-filter)
• Delay line feedback has its own pitch shifter and 1st-order tone filter
• Global delay time can be set either by manual entry with the encoder, or by an external clock (with adjustable clock divider), or by tap tempo button.
• Individual tap delays are set according to one of 16 preset patterns (grooves)
• Global delay time modulation by an LFO with 8 selectable waveforms
• Delay times range from 0.1 millisecond to 20 seconds.
• Delay buffer freeze and reverse
• Taps can be piled on top of each other to give complex filtering and chord effects
• Global pitch shift control which transposes the delay line output by +/- 1 octave

• Stereo multi-tap comb resonator
• Comb can have between 1 and 64 taps allowing for complex resonances
• Three different nonlinear comb feedback structures for spectral shaping
• Comb is pingable to give physically-modeled guitar, sitar, clarinet(ish) types of sounds
• 16 different comb tap spacing patterns
• Global comb time can be set either by manual entry with the encoder, or by an external clock (with adjustable clock divider), or by a 1v/oct control voltage.
• Global comb time modulation by an LFO with 8 selectable waveforms
• Comb times range from 0.1 millisecond to 20 seconds.

• 96KHz, 24-bit (32-bit internal) signal processing
• Most parameters are controllable by external control voltages, either directly or through the two auxiliary modulation inputs (MODA, MODB)
• 128 Factory preset and 128 User preset storage
• (audio-rate) randomization of all parameters, or selectable subsets
FrankMurder
I have been drooling over how I imagine using this thing for a few days now...

Only thing I can think to say is SEXY...
Innerself2007
Looking forward to a preorder announcement!
pieter
I have absolutely no intuition on how this works. hmmm.....

From the feature list it looks like it's more than a delay. A demo vid would be greatly appreciated!
Funky40
Thank you JJ !

My special request:
A piano played thru the rainmaker. .......yes, from recording is fine....loop is fine.........then playing with the delay section in a meaningful musical way,
as you did in your last demo with the two tap delay setting IIRC.
ask maybe Dave Dixon for a recording hihi ...ohh, or satie would be a cool source.....etc. etc.

( yes, i for my one can absolutely imagine what all can be donne with the delay section.
i used to experiment ALOTs with delay-pitchshifter combinations and have several hardware units at hand ( stimpbox and modular),
But then, those are just not thaaaaaaaaat capable as the rainmaker might be wink
I really wonder how it comes on a piano, and if i should save up for one just alone for the piano ( rompler) alone.......
edit: others might think the same in regards to guitar wink
LeFreq
*ding* ding* ding* Eurorack's NAMM Winner!

So stoked for this.

we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy nanners It's peanut butter jelly time! Dead Banana Dead Banana
Funky40
this one AND the 4ms dual looping delay.
Dan and Gary have also donne a tremendous good of a job. ........and so far the better demoing wink
Ras Thavas
Certainly didn't expect anything like this. Adventurous, deep, idiosyncratic, and "Eventide-ish" in euro.

I'm curious about the quality of the individual stereo pitch shifters on each tap, if I set them for a nice four voice seventh chord will it sound well intonated, or somewhat "off", like many pitch shifters often sound doing intervals other than octaves and fifths?

Good demos will be important, and I'm sure they're coming.
wirelesswine
I can't wait for release - in about a month?
taylor12k
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?

can individual delay bands be frozen? or only the entire delay path as a whole?
spacenoodle
Rainmaker is certainly a playground for bizarre effects. It also looks like it could provide many simpler effects I've been hoping to get in the Dubmix send/return paths. I'm curious how well it can handle a chorus, phaser/flanger types of things, or even a passable reverb.
Dcramer
I'm interested to know about the routing?
Can you route straight to the resonator and out?
Can you do series and parallel ?

I'm so confused
jjclark
taylor12k wrote:
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?

can individual delay bands be frozen? or only the entire delay path as a whole?


It's the input buffer which is frozen, so no you can't freeze individual channels. We thought of putting in proper looping functionality but Danjel decided to keep that for a future product :-)
jjclark
Dcramer wrote:
I'm interested to know about the routing?
Can you route straight to the resonator and out?
Can you do series and parallel ?

I'm so confused


Yes, and yes. You can do:
delay -> comb
comb -> delay
comb and delay in parallel (mono
delay alone
comb alone
mapmap
jjclark wrote:
taylor12k wrote:
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?


It's the input buffer which is frozen, so no you can't freeze individual channels. We thought of putting in proper looping functionality but Danjel decided to keep that for a future product :-)


damn. I was hoping it could be used as a looper too.
I guess that would have been too good to be true.
Upright
I think I need this! grin Rockin' Banana! applause
TrondC
Looks and seems like something Elektron could have pulled off this one smile Seems immensly powerful, but like a few others I am slightly put off by what looks like more of a "programmers module" rather than a "performance module".. That said I surely wouldn't mind having one smile
MRoyce
This is really entering Eventide territory with all the pitchshifting delay and filters, which is lovely. Looking forward to the first tutorials on this, it looks like it can really do a whole lot.
Upright
Can't wait to hear it
insula
SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

looks amazing!! let see demos. nanners
READYdot
I was totally in for this. But looking at it and trying to put my head around this, it seems this has so many options I have no idea what they do or what their purpose it. Seems to me like one of those pricey esoteric boutique studio effects, that only sound-engineers can put to good use. What totally killed it for me, is when in the NAMM demo video he shows how with pushing the trigger button it randomly changes settings. This somehow is not what I want from an expensive module, pushing one button until I get something I like, because I have no idea what all the other buttons do. I just seems like too much. I mean a lot of features are ok, but trying to make every single option available somehow kills usability... I don't know, I might be overreacting, but this doesn't seem like an "ease-of-use" candidate.

It's a bit like the Shapeshifter, I ended up selling, because I couldn't tame all its options..
Dogma
Any idea of price on this?
taylor12k
i think they said around $639 +/-


Dogma wrote:
Any idea of price on this?
geremyf
READYdot wrote:
I was totally in for this. But looking at it and trying to put my head around this, it seems this has so many options I have no idea what they do or what their purpose it. Seems to me like one of those pricey esoteric boutique studio effects, that only sound-engineers can put to good use. What totally killed it for me, is when in the NAMM demo video he shows how with pushing the trigger button it randomly changes settings. This somehow is not what I want from an expensive module, pushing one button until I get something I like, because I have no idea what all the other buttons do. I just seems like too much. I mean a lot of features are ok, but trying to make every single option available somehow kills usability... I don't know, I might be overreacting, but this doesn't seem like an "ease-of-use" candidate.

It's a bit like the Shapeshifter, I ended up selling, because I couldn't tame all its options..


That was just one way to setup the trigger button. From what I understand, you can cause the trigger button to randomize various settings, or even just a single setting. However you can setup the button to do other things aside from randomize settings., like 'strumming' the resonator.
jjclark
In performing with deep, complex modules, I recommend the following approach.

Choose the sound/effect that you want to achieve, and then set the module up to get it. Then, don't change any settings during your performance. Just make use of the modulation capabilities. It is the modulation that you want to focus on during performance, not changing structural parameters (unless you are Richard Devine). For this, you want a module that has a lot of modulation capabilities (like the Shapeshifter and Rainmaker).

The fact that a module is deep and is capable of a lot of different things shouldn't be a barrier to effectively using it in performance. Just set it to do one thing (e.g. by loading a setting from patch memory) and then wail away.
Dave77
thumbs up
johnwynberg
I knew it was early to say, specially before NAMM, but a few weeks ago I was thinking I had reached my limit, I’m happy with what I got, I don’t think I’ll be buying a new case… And watching this year’s NAMM, I thought myself pretty safe… until I saw THE RAINMAKER! Damn you! screaming goo yo

Looking forward to read the manual. I know the sensible thing would be to test it first, but living in the UK, that’s not an easy option… It took me almost a year before I managed to get my hands on the Shapeshifter. Hopefully they will be more available, but this time I think I would rather order directly from Intellijel, and try it, and if it doesn't work for me, then sell it.

Now, if the Rainmaker is anything as complex as the Shapeshipfer (and for the look of it, it is), I would suggest adding an initialization or default preset. After I created one in the Shapeshifter (thanks to the excellent videos by Seth Shafer), I have been fine with it. Before, most of the time I didn't have a clue what was going on, and used to spend more time unravelling its ‘mysteries’, trying to understand what was going on (and why it wasn't doing what I thought it should be doing), than actually playing with it.
boramx
I look forward to a manual.

The cylonix manuals have been very good, and aided my purchase of CB and Ss.
Daisuk
READYdot wrote:
What totally killed it for me, is when in the NAMM demo video he shows how with pushing the trigger button it randomly changes settings. This somehow is not what I want from an expensive module, pushing one button until I get something I like, because I have no idea what all the other buttons do.


That trigger button could be assigned to a lot of other parameters as well though, judging from the video. Why wouldn't you expect it from an expensive module? I don't see why the price of this thing has got anything to do with that feature.

I can see how the feature set of this thing might seem a bit too complex for some, and that it's not very "modular" or "one knob per function"-y, but personally I love the fact that modules like this gets out there. Seems like an insanely powerful sound designing unit.

Looking much forward to a demo with better sound though (especially without a saxophone in the background), and a more thorough explanation on how to operate this thing. I'm still deeply in love with the Shapeshifter, and imagine these two could be quite the couple! Mr. Green
vathan
This thing looks amazing, however, it is by design, quite deep.

Personally, I will wait until there are some run through videos that can convince me that I won't spend hours staring dumbly at the interface in an attempt to get something useful out of it...

TL;DR
GIMME DEMO VIDEOS!!!!
Funky40
READYdot wrote:
I was totally in for this. But looking at it and trying to put my head around this, it seems this has so many options I have no idea what they do or what their purpose it.

probably compare it with a drummachine.
a simple thing like lets say the Tanzmaus ( just watched the Namm video) might be a supereasy thing for "you" to programm.
You shurely know beatmaking, the single sounds, how they can interact .....respectivly "should" interact somehow.
Now, i´m quite convinced that for a real beginner even such simple thing like a Tanzmaus or any other drummachine looks like a quite complex piece of gear.
does it has to have all those knobs ? and all those buttons ? lol
wink

i for example worked ALOTS with delays and pitchshifting in combination, i absolutely can grasp the Rainmakers layout from here just by the picture.
the delay part looks extremly accesible to me from distance, not knowing the module. no clue about the menus.......

if you can´t get a picture down, my tip would be to start first with something like the Echophone to learn what the musical outcome is with such module. Eventide Pitchfactor probabyl even better to learn with.

But as also a beginner shurely could hammer out a beat on a Tanzmaus, am i convinced that one could learn such thing like a rainmaker by ......"just learning it" by doing wink


the delay part is definitly not made to just jam by fun, you "programm" the outcome by intention..
...but then, everything becomes "accesible by feel" after spending enough time with it.


stoked to get one............ nanners
"allready" unhappy about the ( to small) pitchbend rage, though wink
MATSmile
Maybe you will reconsider and include looping function? Please JJClark we're not worthy. 20 sec of looping is more than enough for euro looper.
Manzanedo
Just got my first Shapeshifter, still use old JJ Clark Reaktor ensembles regularly, want a Cyclebox, and now a Rainmaker.

we're not worthy JIM CLARK!
tsunamisucks
i double what Funky40 said - it's definitely intuitive and looks playable, arguably the most creative delay module i've seen in euro - just looking at the layout and these messy NAMM demos. and karplus-strong, my personal love - looper would be awesome of course, but it's already packed

we're not worthy we're not worthy jjclark

and the question all the manufacturers and retailers hate: WHEN IS IT AVAILABLE???
exper
Manzanedo wrote:
Just got my first Shapeshifter, still use old JJ Clark Reaktor ensembles regularly, want a Cyclebox, and now a Rainmaker.

we're not worthy JIM CLARK!


Wait, which reaktor ensembles were by J Clark? I haven't used soft synths in a long time, but that sounds like something to revisit!
bkbirge
On my preorder list for sure, need to replace my long in the tooth lex prime time and this is the only thing I've seen in that spirit and then some.
Funky40
tsunamisucks wrote:
WHEN IS IT AVAILABLE???

came back to ask exactly this !




and one thing: will AH get a shipment immendiately or again totally delayed vs. other shops ?
need to decide NOW where to preorder NOW wink
euxine
jjclark wrote:
In performing with deep, complex modules, I recommend the following approach.

Choose the sound/effect that you want to achieve, and then set the module up to get it. Then, don't change any settings during your performance. Just make use of the modulation capabilities. It is the modulation that you want to focus on during performance, not changing structural parameters (unless you are Richard Devine). For this, you want a module that has a lot of modulation capabilities (like the Shapeshifter and Rainmaker).

The fact that a module is deep and is capable of a lot of different things shouldn't be a barrier to effectively using it in performance. Just set it to do one thing (e.g. by loading a setting from patch memory) and then wail away.


cool cool Thanks for this - even though I feel I've got a good handle on my medium-sized system (18u), I still need to be reminded of this. You don't use all your tools at once to build a house, just use when neeeded. cool cool
intellijel
The mainboards are built, panels in stock, display board being finished this next couple of days.

We will have a big pile assembled units over the next week or two but we are still taking some time to extend beta testing of firmware.

We are also digesting some of the feedback and feature suggestions that came from people at NAMM who had a chance to play with it in more depth.

In terms of complexity I would say it is basically as complicated as you want it to be. You can easily get started by using the presets and simple main panel controls and progressively delve deeper into it as you get more comfortable.

We took a long time to carefully layout the panel controls into logical groupings and sections with a lots dedicated buttons for quick access to key parameters.

I had several people comment to me that their initial impression based on the way it looks was that this was too complicated for them. However once I had given then a brief two minute tour of the controls and layout they admitted it was pretty clear to use and were happily diving in to create new sounds.

There was a crew of sound designers from Hans Zimmers studio who came by and had big smiles on their faces as they were patching in modulation to various modulation destinations and especially loved what the granular pitch shifting was doing.

One of the points of modular synthesizers is to allow users to get much deeper into the inner workings of their instrument because there is a chance to discover new things far beyond the constraints of conventional prepatched instruments and macro/rompler devices.

We are excited to see and hear what the users of Rainmaker are going to discover once they start exploring the possibilities of this system. The fact that there is so much to discover should represent great value and interest to those who love to experiment with sound!
Jericho
Im really excited about this. Instant buy. we're not worthy
euxine
intellijel wrote:

We are also digesting some of the feedback and feature suggestions that came from people at NAMM who had a chance to play with it in more depth.


Seems like more than any other Intellijel (/Cylonix) product, this has the potential to carry alternative firmwares? Obviously it's built around a core set of functionality, but seems there could easily be a few valid (and great) ways to build on that... thoughts?
FrankMurder
At first I couldn't really get my head around it but as I read the description again and again I have started to get really weird and crazy Ideas for using this thing. I actually find myself daydreaming about this thing. I dream of rainmakers... Yes I think I could use two Dead Banana
Ras Thavas
jjclark wrote:
taylor12k wrote:
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?

can individual delay bands be frozen? or only the entire delay path as a whole?


It's the input buffer which is frozen, so no you can't freeze individual channels. We thought of putting in proper looping functionality but Danjel decided to keep that for a future product :-)


Makes sense to use the input buffer as you then have the rest of the taps to "effect" that short frozen buffer. Still, a software choice, i.e. short or long freeze, would be nice. It seems a waste to have two 20 second delay lines and not be able to do some looping...
Funky40
intellijel wrote:

One of the points of modular synthesizers is to allow users to get much deeper into the inner workings of their instrument because there is a chance to discover new things far beyond the constraints of conventional prepatched instruments and macro/rompler devices.

We are excited to see and hear what the users of Rainmaker are going to discover once they start exploring the possibilities of this system. The fact that there is so much to discover should represent great value and interest to those who love to experiment with sound!

hehe.......
i do nothing else than experiment with sound since 10 years. from here comes my wish ( again):
please make the pitchshift 2octaves at least, better 2.5, or even better three ! ............mainly downwards ofcourse wink

Now, i see the possible point to focus mainly on a good tonal quality.
I see also the point that more shift range probably might mean to have less accurate or a more fiddly "dialing in situation" , ....even if its quantised.
I see the point that more shiftrange might be a slight drawback if you focus for example for stacking the delay hits to chords.

please let me tell you this:
even with the crappy sounding MPC1k -with JJOS- can you get *astounding* sounding sounds and noises with biiiig amounts of pitchshifting down.
( yes, i do it in realtime while playing the samples. the biiig shifts are only possible from within the PRG mode to mention this.)
Blow those noises up with a nice Hall or two and even the MPC1k can make you Hollywood like sounds.
Sounds that are not that far away from Kyma like stuff.
Its a every now and then mentioned trick ( from the people how know their business) that pitching down samples can be VERY rewarding.
often its the 1,5 to 2.5 octaves range IIRC .

let me explain further:
especially with the modular can you get out VERY nice high pitched sounds and noises,
-one of the best contributors for such sounds is btw. intellijels/Cylonix´ very own Shapeshifter-.
pitch those down and smile. ......sample, cut aaaaaaand loop !!

what i heard in the Demos seems that the Rainmaker sounds VERY good, far beyond what my MPC or Echophone does.
I really can imagine that even with muuuuuch down shifting samples a good soundquality will be given.

if doable: make a setting that the total shiftrange (down mainly) is pre-settable in a menu by the user. or just make two ranges........
please, please, please !
jjclark
exper wrote:
Manzanedo wrote:
Just got my first Shapeshifter, still use old JJ Clark Reaktor ensembles regularly, want a Cyclebox, and now a Rainmaker.

we're not worthy JIM CLARK!


Wait, which reaktor ensembles were by J Clark? I haven't used soft synths in a long time, but that sounds like something to revisit!


Just do a search for "James Clark" on the Reaktor User Library site. My ensemble called Excentrix was an early study that led to the Cyclebox.
jjclark
Ras Thavas wrote:
jjclark wrote:
taylor12k wrote:
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?

can individual delay bands be frozen? or only the entire delay path as a whole?


It's the input buffer which is frozen, so no you can't freeze individual channels. We thought of putting in proper looping functionality but Danjel decided to keep that for a future product :-)


Makes sense to use the input buffer as you then have the rest of the taps to "effect" that short frozen buffer. Still, a software choice, i.e. short or long freeze, would be nice. It seems a waste to have two 20 second delay lines and not be able to do some looping...


I am not sure what your complaint is here. The freeze buffer Length IS controllable! You can use the 1v/Oct input to set this and enables tuned freezes. The range of the freeze buffer size is from .1msec to 20 seconds. That's pretty short to very long. The demo I posted to my soundcloud page demonstrates changing the freeze time (for that stereotyped MaxHeadroom sound).
jjclark
euxine wrote:
intellijel wrote:

We are also digesting some of the feedback and feature suggestions that came from people at NAMM who had a chance to play with it in more depth.


Seems like more than any other Intellijel (/Cylonix) product, this has the potential to carry alternative firmwares? Obviously it's built around a core set of functionality, but seems there could easily be a few valid (and great) ways to build on that... thoughts?


Sorry, but there aren't going to be any (3rd party) alternative firmwares, for the same reason as for the shapeshifter. I am not going to rehash the reasons here, but you can read the shapeshifter threads for that.
MATSmile
jjclark wrote:
Ras Thavas wrote:
jjclark wrote:
taylor12k wrote:
so nice.....

so, can it be used as a looper? it says the buffer can be frozen... so can you freeze the full 20 second buffer? thus making a 20 second loop?

can individual delay bands be frozen? or only the entire delay path as a whole?


It's the input buffer which is frozen, so no you can't freeze individual channels. We thought of putting in proper looping functionality but Danjel decided to keep that for a future product :-)


Makes sense to use the input buffer as you then have the rest of the taps to "effect" that short frozen buffer. Still, a software choice, i.e. short or long freeze, would be nice. It seems a waste to have two 20 second delay lines and not be able to do some looping...


I am not sure what your complaint is here. The freeze buffer Length IS controllable! You can use the 1v/Oct input to set this and enables tuned freezes. The range of the freeze buffer size is from .1msec to 20 seconds. That's pretty short to very long. The demo I posted to my soundcloud page demonstrates changing the freeze time (for that stereotyped MaxHeadroom sound).

Isn't freezing 20 second element is basically looping it?
necrobious
Really excited, can't wait to hear more examples.
Ras Thavas
jjclark wrote:
I am not sure what your complaint is here. The freeze buffer Length IS controllable! You can use the 1v/Oct input to set this and enables tuned freezes. The range of the freeze buffer size is from .1msec to 20 seconds. That's pretty short to very long. The demo I posted to my soundcloud page demonstrates changing the freeze time (for that stereotyped MaxHeadroom sound).


No complaint here! smile

My mistake, an earlier post made it sound to me as if there was only a small input buffer that could loop. Having a freeze buffer from .1 sec to 20 seconds is great. It may not have full looper functionality baked in, but with feedback and freezing there's absolutely no reason anyone couldn't do old school looping, combined with the very new school per tap processing attributes the Rainmaker offers. Thanks for clearing this up!
RoaFL
ARRRRRGH!
very frustrating
I just completed my case!
bucketbrigade
jjclark wrote:
In performing with deep, complex modules, I recommend the following approach.

Choose the sound/effect that you want to achieve, and then set the module up to get it. Then, don't change any settings during your performance. Just make use of the modulation capabilities. It is the modulation that you want to focus on during performance, not changing structural parameters (unless you are Richard Devine). For this, you want a module that has a lot of modulation capabilities (like the Shapeshifter and Rainmaker).

The fact that a module is deep and is capable of a lot of different things shouldn't be a barrier to effectively using it in performance. Just set it to do one thing (e.g. by loading a setting from patch memory) and then wail away.


This is fantastic advice. I wish someone had told me this a year ago. I sometimes have this urge to make a module do all of the things it's capable of all at once or I feel like I'm "wasting" it in the patch. But some of the most interesting results I've gotten have been when I let a really complex module do one very simple thing. It turns out I'm not wasting it because it's complexity allows me to vary that one thing with modulation so easily.
kisielk
bucketbrigade wrote:
jjclark wrote:
In performing with deep, complex modules, I recommend the following approach.

Choose the sound/effect that you want to achieve, and then set the module up to get it. Then, don't change any settings during your performance. Just make use of the modulation capabilities. It is the modulation that you want to focus on during performance, not changing structural parameters (unless you are Richard Devine). For this, you want a module that has a lot of modulation capabilities (like the Shapeshifter and Rainmaker).

The fact that a module is deep and is capable of a lot of different things shouldn't be a barrier to effectively using it in performance. Just set it to do one thing (e.g. by loading a setting from patch memory) and then wail away.


This is fantastic advice. I wish someone had told me this a year ago. I sometimes have this urge to make a module do all of the things it's capable of all at once or I feel like I'm "wasting" it in the patch. But some of the most interesting results I've gotten have been when I let a really complex module do one very simple thing. It turns out I'm not wasting it because it's complexity allows me to vary that one thing with modulation so easily.


Also you don't always have to use it for the same thing, it can serve a completely different purpose in each patch / song.
jdkee
This is a neat module. It's pretty cool that you guys can compete with the Eventides and the like by building in the Euro format. Much like what has been said over at GS about the analogue renaissance, it's a great time to be in Euro. This is fun!
owmtxy
Adamalthus
RoaFL wrote:
ARRRRRGH!
very frustrating
I just completed my case!


The first axiom of wiggling is: "A case is never complete" Guinness ftw!
sempervirent
Easily my favorite module from NAMM... definitely making space for this one.
Cata
Really hoping I get my tax return in time for preorders!
jjclark
MATSmile wrote:


Isn't freezing 20 second element is basically looping it?


Usually a looper has the ability to overdub, which this does not.
kisielk
The webpage for the Rainmaker is now up: https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/cylonix-rainmaker/

We'll have some more demos shortly.
adnauseam
kisielk wrote:
The webpage for the Rainmaker is now up: https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/cylonix-rainmaker/

We'll have some more demos shortly.


By "more demos" you mean "atleast a single demo"?

hihi

Can't wait!
kisielk
adnauseam wrote:
kisielk wrote:
The webpage for the Rainmaker is now up: https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/cylonix-rainmaker/

We'll have some more demos shortly.


By "more demos" you mean "atleast a single demo"?

hihi

Can't wait!


Jim's posted several on his soundcloud so far: https://soundcloud.com/cylonix
MATSmile
jjclark wrote:
MATSmile wrote:


Isn't freezing 20 second element is basically looping it?


Usually a looper has the ability to overdub, which this does not.

Well that's good I don't care about overdubbing. Is it basically something similar to hold function on DLD?
ST.
The Rainmaker was my favorite Eurorack module, if not my favorite in general from NAMM 2016.

It is like the Maths of effects units.
intellijel


Simple drum loop from the Acidlab Miami is first being processed by the Intellijel Jellysquasher (a coloring compressor) then into the Intellijel | Cylonix Rainmaker spectral delay processor.

The wet/dry is adjusted until %50 wet signal and then I play with the global pitch shifting and then assign one of the Aux controls to Grain size.
Towards the end I freeze the buffer to create a loop that I manipulate and then unfreeze it at the end to go back into realtime input processing.
exper
we're not worthy Intellijel Om

Crazy. This thing is going to be mind blowing.
geremyf
wow. I want the jellysquisher now too, and I already have a streams!
intellijel


Using the Intellijel Metropolis to sequence the Rainmaker in a Karplus Strong configuration. The TRIGGER input provides a short noise burst to excite the delay and the 1V/Oct tracks the pitch. I select some different feedback filters to achieve different tonal qualities similar to guitar, sitar and clarinet.
Innerself2007
intellijel wrote:


Using the Intellijel Metropolis to sequence the Rainmaker in a Karplus Strong configuration. The TRIGGER input provides a short noise burst to excite the delay and the 1V/Oct tracks the pitch. I select some different feedback filters to achieve different tonal qualities similar to guitar, sitar and clarinet.



Sounds nice!
The resonator section is what Im most interested about.
insomaniac
vathan wrote:
This thing looks amazing, however, it is by design, quite deep.

Personally, I will wait until there are some run through videos that can convince me that I won't spend hours staring dumbly at the interface in an attempt to get something useful out of it...

TL;DR
GIMME DEMO VIDEOS!!!!


I had the chance to play with the Rainmaker at NAMM, and I have to say that after about 5 minutes of blindly flailing around, it was super easy getting around the interface and producing some nice results. You can really tell that a lot of thought went into the layout here.

Once Danjel popped in a stereo headphone amp to listen through, I was pretty blown away (and have started saving up my pennies)
Daisuk
Would love to hear a demo with some melodic content as well! The drum one sounds great though, I'm all in for this. Any ETA on the manual? smile
Funky40
again, sorry: ( speaking about the Delay only )

in regards to pitchshifting down:
Could you make it at least 17 semitones down instead of 16 please ?
that would make much more sense when thinking in musical relationes, not ?
at least in my head it does wink
..........i wonder about the reason to choose those 16 semitones......but then, its your thing.....


in regards to Biiig shifts down:
i guess all available ways to shift the pitch down ( or up...) are cumulated, right ?
was it two or three different ways to shift down. specs look like two. in my mind i had three.
single steps, feedback, global........??

yes, i´m obsessed about pitchshifting wink
the comb Demo sounds very great to me ! with the drum demo you could have turned me off of any interest in the module lol
Richard Devine
Out of everything I had a chance to check out at NAMM this year, Rainmaker was the most impressive to me! I can't wait to get my hands on this! it will be insane!
jjclark
Here is a more melodic, yet noisy (in the good sense) demo of the Rainmaker's comb resonator.
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-comb-sequence[/s]

This is made by pinging the comb with the internal noise burst. The comb tuning and triggering of the pings is coming from a sequence from an intellijel Metropolis. I am riding the feedback gain just around the self-oscillation point. The feedback structure is the "clarinet" one which accounts for the rather hollow sound. The comb then feeds into a basic 2-tap delay on the Rainmaker's delay block.
TheSolenoids
Crumbs.

I really wanted to not want this.

Oh well....
Daisuk
Nice! Thanks for that. smile Any way to show off the various presets (on melodic content) to get a better feel for the variety of sounds this thing can produce? Some of the things in the demos from NAMM sounded just lovely.

Can't wait to get this! hyper
jjclark
More step-by-step tutorial demos will come in a while. But for now, here is a demo of the Rainmaker showing off the spectral delay capabilities. Here each tap's filter is tuned to a different cutoff frequency, giving a decaying chirp. I run a drum loop through it and shift the cutoff frequency offset (with the MODA input) and play with the pitch shift.
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-spectral-drums2[/s]

The soundcloud compression does some funny things to the sound. The original isn't so resonant.
Innerself2007
Just an FYI the Rainmaker is available for pre orders on Detroit Modular's website

http://www.detroitmodular.com/eurorack/intellijel-rainmaker.html
sonicmayhem
Can you please make sure the manual is ready at the same time when you ship please! help very frustrating
milkyjoe
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"
polyoptics
Innerself2007 wrote:
Just an FYI the Rainmaker is available for pre orders on Detroit Modular's website

http://www.detroitmodular.com/eurorack/intellijel-rainmaker.html


Done! Thx for the link smile

This is really something unexpected and amazing, enough to preorder just based on whats been shown so far. Excited to see some video demos! (performance/indepth/whatever!)

Great job intellijel! we're not worthy Intellijel
evileye0702
Do we have any idea of power requirements for this module yet?
eyeiaye
Awesome that Detroit modular has it for pre order. Anybody contact them with a specific date?
intellijel
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


Something like the Mutable Instruments Elements is $599 yet the build cost is about half or a third of what it costs to make a Rainmaker which is priced at only $39 more. The FPGA part alone costs $100. That is not to mention the ridiculous amount of hours spent developing this thing over the course of 2+ years.

We have always tried to price our entire line with carefully considered fair prices. I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.
intellijel
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


There are similarly sized and feature rich digital modules in Eurorack that cost $599 but with build cost is about half or a third of what it costs to make a Rainmaker which is priced at only $39 more. The FPGA part alone costs $100. That is not to mention the ridiculous amount of hours spent developing this thing over the course of 2+ years.

We have always tried to price our entire line with carefully considered fair prices. I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.
intellijel


A constant sinewave is fed to the Rainmaker from an Atlantis module and then the wet/dry is turned up to full wet. I then trigger via the red button and by the external jack (using the mod vco on the Atlantis) to start randomizing all the parameter values on the Rainmaker. Later I change the randomize destination to different subsets.


aka Richard Devine mode!
eyeiaye
Holy cow that video made me get a yerning to make it rain
Cata
intellijel wrote:
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"
I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.

Are you guys going to be shipping modules ala the shapeshifter? I'd rather purchase direct if possible but I would also like to get a spot in line as soon as a i can
euxine
I'm sure their date will be the same as everyone else's - lots of dealers don't like to do preorders until they have a tracking number on a shipment... Either way, I'll likely order from them just so I can stop thinking about ordering! Dead Banana
Daisuk
intellijel wrote:


A constant sinewave is fed to the Rainmaker from an Atlantis module and then the wet/dry is turned up to full wet. I then trigger via the red button and by the external jack (using the mod vco on the Atlantis) to start randomizing all the parameter values on the Rainmaker. Later I change the randomize destination to different subsets.


aka Richard Devine mode!


All that madness from a single sine wave! woah applause I think it's safe to say this is definitely going to be value for money. Can't bloody wait. Richard Devine-mode indeed, haha. Can you step or morph between presets via voltage control as on the Shapeshifter?
Captain Sternn
intellijel wrote:


A constant sinewave is fed to the Rainmaker from an Atlantis module and then the wet/dry is turned up to full wet. I then trigger via the red button and by the external jack (using the mod vco on the Atlantis) to start randomizing all the parameter values on the Rainmaker. Later I change the randomize destination to different subsets.


aka Richard Devine mode!


This module is brand new and it's already haunted Ghost
spacenoodle
I'm interested to know how the comb resonator in Rainmaker compares to Rings. I've been planning on Rings but now that Rainmaker is probably making it's way into my system first, I wonder if I should skip Rings for now. This string simulation from Rainmaker sounds very promising. It sounds polyphonic, how is it done?

[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-segovia-remembranza[/s]
MATSmile
spacenoodle wrote:
I'm interested to know how the comb resonator in Rainmaker compares to Rings. I've been planning on Rings but now that Rainmaker is probably making it's way into my system first, I wonder if I should skip Rings for now. This string simulation from Rainmaker sounds very promising. It sounds polyphonic, how is it done?

[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-segovia-remembranza[/s]

Multitracked
GNE
Quote:
Can you step or morph between presets via voltage control as on the Shapeshifter?


I want to know this as well.
Seems like stepping or morphing between presets would be an ideal feature.
jjclark
GNE wrote:
Quote:
Can you step or morph between presets via voltage control as on the Shapeshifter?


I want to know this as well.
Seems like stepping or morphing between presets would be an ideal feature.


No, there is no stepping or morphing of presets.
spacenoodle
MATSmile wrote:
spacenoodle wrote:
I'm interested to know how the comb resonator in Rainmaker compares to Rings. I've been planning on Rings but now that Rainmaker is probably making it's way into my system first, I wonder if I should skip Rings for now. This string simulation from Rainmaker sounds very promising. It sounds polyphonic, how is it done?

Multitracked


Great. Two then. Dead Banana

Is this resonator modeled after the Ableton one? I noticed this old post:

intellijel wrote:
I was wondering if there was any module equivalent (or hardware in general) to the resonator plugin that is part of Ableton Live?


Source: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24321&sid=c02c41f825 7df1772a384fb8184bc4cb
jjclark
spacenoodle wrote:

Is this resonator modeled after the Ableton one? I noticed this old post:

intellijel wrote:
I was wondering if there was any module equivalent (or hardware in general) to the resonator plugin that is part of Ableton Live?


Source: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24321&sid=c02c41f825 7df1772a384fb8184bc4cb


No, its just modeled after the usual comb structure, but with multiple taps. If anything, the raindelay is most influenced by the Ursa Major Space Station and the Technotoys Echoboy.
spacenoodle
This video shed some light for me on what comb filtering is and how it relates to delay time and resonance, and maybe gives me a better understanding of what the comb section of this module is doing.

Krater
^^thanks, helpfull video, have to watch it again.
guestt
Krater wrote:
^^thanks, helpfull video, have to watch it again.


+1 great find, never come across anything else that explained comb filtering that well and from that perspective!

Rainmaker looks nice, sounds nice, but think I prefer the more organic tones from Elements for that part of the module. I can really see how it would appeal and if I didn't have Elements it would be a strong contender for sure.

Pricing is very generous I think... for anyone who disagrees I strongly recommend having a go at some DIY; it eliminates any doubts or concerns anyone could ever have about pricing of these things and actually makes it clear just how very reasonably priced most every module is.
0netwo0netwo
i would also love to know how the resonator compares to Rings

thanks
Funky40
not having a Rainmaker ofcourse and just knowing it from the Demos here,
i´d say you can´t compare the Rainmakers comb filter with Rings.

The Resonator sounds from the Rainmaker sounded absolutely stunning to me,
.........i´m a total sucker for that kind of sounds and have had everything in my rig, incl. G2, which can do those sounds, ....and spent huge amounts of time with these.
The Rainmaker seems to have a very high resolution...and seems to have a good controllability.

Rings is awesome too, has also a total good and musical controllability but to me a totally different character in its sound.
another thing here is, Rings can be resonate upon audio fed into the audio In.
The Rainmaker seems not to have that option.---> edit: me: wrong: see JJClarks post below for clarification !!
Rings is alone for this use a own wiiiide universe for its own. totally winning !

The Rainmaker demos reminded me though to the Mysteron somehow.
there seems to be an overlap in its "initial tonal appearance".........while the Mysteron is not exactly "linear" to control if you know what i mean, but has its own character lying here wink

will be interesting to see in real live
hyper
Cata
spacenoodle wrote:

Thanks for posting this! Wasn't 100% clear on how these things worked
jjclark
Funky40 wrote:

another thing here is, Rings can be resonate upon audio fed into the audio In.
The Rainmaker seems not to have that option.
Rings is alone for this use a own wiiiide universe for its own. totally winning !


The Rainmaker's comb can be fed from the audio input. That's normally how it would be used.
Funky40
jjclark wrote:
Funky40 wrote:

another thing here is, Rings can be resonate upon audio fed into the audio In.
The Rainmaker seems not to have that option.
Rings is alone for this use a own wiiiide universe for its own. totally winning !


The Rainmaker's comb can be fed from the audio input. That's normally how it would be used.

ahh, i see. .....sorry .......i was just looking to the frontpanel, mainly the right section, instead of thinking when i posted oops
0netwo0netwo
so then theyre kinda the same? hmmm.....
milkyjoe
intellijel wrote:
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


Something like the Mutable Instruments Elements is $599 yet the build cost is about half or a third of what it costs to make a Rainmaker which is priced at only $39 more. The FPGA part alone costs $100. That is not to mention the ridiculous amount of hours spent developing this thing over the course of 2+ years.

We have always tried to price our entire line with carefully considered fair prices. I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.


When you put it that way, it does sound like good value!

Really like that sinewave demo. I would like to hear how that sounds when the sine is being sequenced!

It does seem like a great module, will be saving my pennies.....
Jumbuktu
Must be the first ever module with a 'Piles' button.
Amer1231
intellijel wrote:
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


Something like the Mutable Instruments Elements is $599 yet the build cost is about half or a third of what it costs to make a Rainmaker which is priced at only $39 more. The FPGA part alone costs $100. That is not to mention the ridiculous amount of hours spent developing this thing over the course of 2+ years.

We have always tried to price our entire line with carefully considered fair prices. I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.


I do not get why you need to justify the price of this module, in all honesty this module is a great sound generator and somewhat of a synth voice on its own (out of complexity) but again even tough people on muff bash on guitarists for being "three knobs dumb fucks" they do not seem to do any better but with a glass of 1955 wine and sushi instead of a beer and a pizza.
I hope this module doesn't go underrated.
rove74
Amer1231 wrote:
intellijel wrote:
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.


I do not get why you need to justify the price of this module;
I hope this module doesn't go underrated.

Seriously, 36 hp, 256 presets, complex display, and 16 Delay Taps, and piles?!
It seems very fairly priced IMHO.
0netwo0netwo
what is "piles"?
Krater
Let´s put it straight
Elements is 539,- at most places,
I´m sure Olivier has spend many hours into the developement as well to justify it´s price and
I really don`t think the Rainmaker is overpriced and I will most likely get one during the course of the year. hyper
Krater
what is "piles"?

jjclark wrote:

• Taps can be piled on top of each other to give complex filtering and chord effects
cbeefheartuk
Shapeshifter is my favourite module and im still learning new tricks with it. If I had any money I would buy this as soon as it was in the UK. Looks really good.
pitri
so can the Rainmaker replace Echophone, Erbe-verbe and Rings?
0netwo0netwo
i think you can add clouds to that list
Entrainer


Has to buy a new case...
Arders Bergdahl
pitri wrote:
so can the Rainmaker replace Echophone, Erbe-verbe and Rings?

No... but some of us might find that, given space and money limitations, Rainmaker suits better that one of the mentioned modules.. for me ErbeVErb is very unique..
I'm sort of temped to have Rainmaker, Elements, ErbeVerb, clouds and the new 4ms looping delay..
johnwynberg
pitri wrote:
so can the Rainmaker replace Echophone, Erbe-verbe and Rings?


I'm really looking forward to the Rainmaker, but from what I have read and heard so far, I don't think it's going to replace my Elements, Rings, Clouds, ErbeVerb or Echophon. I'm interested in their apparent overlappings, but I very much doubt that any of them can replace the other.
wirelesswine
johnwynberg wrote:
pitri wrote:
so can the Rainmaker replace Echophone, Erbe-verbe and Rings?


I'm really looking forward to the Rainmaker, but from what I have read and heard so far, I don't think it's going to replace my Elements, Rings, Clouds, ErbeVerb or Echophon. I'm interested in their apparent overlappings, but I very much doubt that any of them can replace the other.


I completely agree. I see some minor crossover here and there but in the end it is its own beast. Won't replace those mentioned but take things into far new territory. All those taps / filters / feedback!!!! Can't wait.
Zymos
Jumbuktu wrote:
Must be the first ever module with a 'Piles' button.


So you can use Preparation H as an attenuator?
geremyf
We have the soundcloud sample of using the simple 2-tap delay which is pretty awesome. I'd love a similar sample of it doing a relatively simple reverb if possible. I love the mangling it can do (paired with a phonogene! Yum) but would be great to hear it covering some more vanilla ground.
jjclark
geremyf wrote:
We have the soundcloud sample of using the simple 2-tap delay which is pretty awesome. I'd love a similar sample of it doing a relatively simple reverb if possible. I love the mangling it can do (paired with a phonogene! Yum) but would be great to hear it covering some more vanilla ground.


The Rainmaker can do Ursa-Major SpaceStation type reverbs, but it's not going to compete with the Valhalla's or Lexicons.

Here's a taste:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-reverb-demo[/s]

And for those who want more resonator goodness, here's the Rainmaker comb robotizing a basic drum loop:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-resonator-beats[/s]
spacenoodle
eek! Rainmaker as a reverb has exceeded my expectations. I expected it to sound much more fluttery and tappy, simulating a gigantic space like this. I'm sure it could do even better with smaller rooms (although I wonder how natural the decay would taper off with a smaller space.) Damn.

Is it possible to freeze the decay?
geremyf
jjclark wrote:
geremyf wrote:
We have the soundcloud sample of using the simple 2-tap delay which is pretty awesome. I'd love a similar sample of it doing a relatively simple reverb if possible. I love the mangling it can do (paired with a phonogene! Yum) but would be great to hear it covering some more vanilla ground.


The Rainmaker can do Ursa-Major SpaceStation type reverbs, but it's not going to compete with the Valhalla's or Lexicons.

Here's a taste:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-reverb-demo[/s]

And for those who want more resonator goodness, here's the Rainmaker comb robotizing a basic drum loop:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-resonator-beats[/s]


Sounds awesome. Thanks! Can't wait to start wiggling with it.
jjclark
spacenoodle wrote:
eek! Rainmaker as a reverb has exceeded my expectations. I expected it to sound much more fluttery and tappy, simulating a gigantic space like this. I'm sure it could do even better with smaller rooms (although I wonder how natural the decay would taper off with a smaller space.) Damn.

Is it possible to freeze the decay?


You can freeze part of the decay, in that the delay line can be frozen, but not the comb.

Here's an example of a small room reverb:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-short-reverb[/s]
Funky40
those last demos are totally totally cool !
also much liking the sound of that reverb patch.
you should do a own CV able Reverb.



but so far i would have expected to hear a totally different kind of Demos......
more like a TC D-two just with added pitchshifting etc. lol
to get such demos to hear would be great too wink.....as allready wished: for example with piano...a la Satie for example wink


and yes, preset switching by a trigger would make MUCH MUCH sense.
I don´t need to have the module in hand to see this. Don´t you Intellijel guys see that ?
( no clue about possible problems here, .......just, most poeple here absolutely like some little glitching here and there wink if that would be the problem )
L!mbo
My only questions are when will this be availabe, to whom, and how many cats were involved in making this module?
kisielk
No cats that I'm aware of, but one cool moose.

boramx
jjclark wrote:

Here's an example of a small room reverb:


IS this the delay section? If so, is this a result of an algorithm or some "rule of thumb" in which each tap is spaced a certain way and the filters are tuned a certain (i.e. at random or decreasing frequencies successively etc) way to create damping effects?

are their recommendations for users to begin programming custom "reverbs" like this?
jjclark
boramx wrote:
jjclark wrote:

Here's an example of a small room reverb:


IS this the delay section? If so, is this a result of an algorithm or some "rule of thumb" in which each tap is spaced a certain way and the filters are tuned a certain (i.e. at random or decreasing frequencies successively etc) way to create damping effects?

are their recommendations for users to begin programming custom "reverbs" like this?


This is the delay followed by the comb. Both are set to have irregular spacing between the taps, with decaying levels with time. The delay taps get increasingly filtered for the later taps. No algorithm, just tweaking things by hand until it sounds good.

I will add some general ideas on making reverbs to the manual, but its a bit of an art.
greenanother
jjclark

Amazing work here! Quick question though: you've been a heavy Reaktor user in the past...how close can the Rainmaker get to the sounds acheivable with Molekular? Some of my favorite Molekular patches are rhythmic delay and comb-filtered, and frequency-shifted in nature.

This is the real question for me before I preorder.

I mean, I love Molekular, but even with configuring the parameters with Push, playing still feels like I'm programming more than playing (especially since the configurations are lost once you switch presets or insert a new device in Molekular).

Rainmaker seems like the answer, but I'm not 100% sure yet.
jjclark
greenanother wrote:
jjclark

Amazing work here! Quick question though: you've been a heavy Reaktor user in the past...how close can the Rainmaker get to the sounds acheivable with Molekular? Some of my favorite Molekular patches are rhythmic delay and comb-filtered, and frequency-shifted in nature.

This is the real question for me before I preorder.

I mean, I love Molekular, but even with configuring the parameters with Push, playing still feels like I'm programming more than playing (especially since the configurations are lost once you switch presets or insert a new device in Molekular).

Rainmaker seems like the answer, but I'm not 100% sure yet.


Don't know Molekular at all! I have done very little Reaktor stuff since I got into Eurorack. Sorry!
greenanother
jjclark wrote:
greenanother wrote:
jjclark

Amazing work here! Quick question though: you've been a heavy Reaktor user in the past...how close can the Rainmaker get to the sounds acheivable with Molekular? Some of my favorite Molekular patches are rhythmic delay and comb-filtered, and frequency-shifted in nature.

This is the real question for me before I preorder.

I mean, I love Molekular, but even with configuring the parameters with Push, playing still feels like I'm programming more than playing (especially since the configurations are lost once you switch presets or insert a new device in Molekular).

Rainmaker seems like the answer, but I'm not 100% sure yet.


Don't know Molekular at all! I have done very little Reaktor stuff since I got into Eurorack. Sorry!


Ha! No worries; makes perfect sense. Just thought it might have trigged your radar at some point. cool
geremyf
Can Rainmaker compose an autotune effect with this using the comb 1/v octave input and another input?
visible cow
I don't necessarily expect it to, but could the rainmaker be patched to do pitched delays that stay within a user defined scale? Something like an eventide pitchfactor? I'd love to be able to get that effect in euro (and will certainly pick up a rainmaker regardless).
Daisuk
Another NAMM video where you can hear some of the things Rainmaker can do to melodic material.



hyper
jjclark
visible cow wrote:
I don't necessarily expect it to, but could the rainmaker be patched to do pitched delays that stay within a user defined scale? Something like an eventide pitchfactor? I'd love to be able to get that effect in euro (and will certainly pick up a rainmaker regardless).


No, the Rainmaker lacks the pitch detector/trackers which are needed to implement this effect.
jjclark
geremyf wrote:
Can Rainmaker compose an autotune effect with this using the comb 1/v octave input and another input?


Not with the comb, but if you fed the input to a phase-locked-loop, the output could be fed into the global pitch shift input, some interesting effects could be had. I should try this out with my Doepfer A-196 PLL module...
geremyf
That would be pretty interesting!
polyoptics
I love all the crazy sound textures it's amazing -- I wonder, if I need to play my modular in tune with other instruments, how much will it need to be toned down? What sort of options are there for keeping the incoming signals pitch intact while still exploring all rainmaker has to offer? hmmm.....

It would be great to see a demo of that sort. applause
bkbirge
Love all the craziness but honestly it will probably get used as more of a traditional studio effect for me, adr doubling, stereo ping pongs, runaway feedbacks, shimmery pitchy warbles, etc. Do want to try the karplus next to the cg products bbd version though, air on a g string.
Quasi
I can easily see it's worth the money but I so wish it could loop. Totally understandable. Thanks Daniele and team for making simply amazing modules smile
MATSmile
Quasi wrote:
I can easily see it's worth the money but I so wish it could loop. Totally understandable. Thanks Daniele and team for making simply amazing modules smile

It can, but it doesn't do SOS
Quasi
Wonderful, thanks for the info hyper
Funky40
looping is great !
more than a first step.

though the 4ms DLD the cheaper option for that task ,
and the Rainmaker shurely a ideal candidate to get looped wink



hyper hyper hyper
how´s the timing ? 1 week and then ship ?
tsunamisucks
can we have a proper video review/demo showing
various patches & algorithms?

with different sound sources?

currently Rainmaker is my №1 purchase in the list,
already saving money for it.
but more demos please!
cowatf
They've done it again.
kisielk
tsunamisucks wrote:
can we have a proper video review/demo showing
various patches & algorithms?

with different sound sources?

currently Rainmaker is my №1 purchase in the list,
already saving money for it.
but more demos please!


We're still making changes to the firmware, there will be more demos once we've got most of the tweaking done smile I have plans to do some demos of guitar processing (bring the hate... wink
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:
We're still making changes to the firmware […]


By the sound of it, it's going to take another couple of weeks. cry Though I'm happy to wait until the firmware is as good as it can get, than to have to keep updating it myself with later versions.

Is the firmware update procedure going to be the same as with the Shapeshifter? For me, the hardest part of it was to find a PC I could use.
tsunamisucks
kisielk
sounds awesome we're not worthy
please take your time and deliver a proper finished product.
even if it takes more than couple of weeks.
i mean it sometimes happens with digital modules -
when the first firmware versions are "raw"

i still regret buying mk1 Disting
since now there's already mk3 with all these great new features
akrylik
tsunamisucks wrote:
kisielk
sounds awesome we're not worthy
please take your time and deliver a proper finished product.
even if it takes more than couple of weeks.
i mean it sometimes happens with digital modules -
when the first firmware versions are "raw"

i still regret buying mk1 Disting
since now there's already mk3 with all these great new features


This doesn't make sense hmmm..... There should be no buyer's regret when it comes to firmware upgrades, only hardware upgrades.
evileye0702
With these creative types if we wait until it's perfect, we'll never get a final product.

Just make sure that whatever is delivered works rock solid. Save firmware updates for adding new features.
apfEID
intellijel wrote:


A constant sinewave is fed to the Rainmaker from an Atlantis module and then the wet/dry is turned up to full wet. I then trigger via the red button and by the external jack (using the mod vco on the Atlantis) to start randomizing all the parameter values on the Rainmaker. Later I change the randomize destination to different subsets.


aka Richard Devine mode!


This video is great, but also has a lot of what sound like discontinuity clicks... any hope that'll be tamed in the release firmware?
Bruce2008
Hi guys any news about they ship it?
Matos
Anyone have any info on this rainmaker module? I clicked the post but kind of lost interest after that. Do you think it can replace my wmd gamma wave source? I think this might be my next oscillator! hmmm.....
evileye0702
I'm hoping the manual will be available soon.
jjclark
Matos wrote:
Anyone have any info on this rainmaker module? I clicked the post but kind of lost interest after that. Do you think it can replace my wmd gamma wave source? I think this might be my next oscillator! hmmm.....


It's not an oscillator.

Maybe you should look at the Shapeshifter module.
Daisuk
jjclark wrote:
Matos wrote:
Anyone have any info on this rainmaker module? I clicked the post but kind of lost interest after that. Do you think it can replace my wmd gamma wave source? I think this might be my next oscillator! hmmm.....


It's not an oscillator.

Maybe you should look at the Shapeshifter module.


I'm pretty sure Matos was being ironic. wink

Can you tell us anything about the new firmware features being mentioned on Facebook? smile

Rainmaker: beta testing has been going very well but has lead to some interesting and powerful new features being added. The hardware is ready but we are making sure that all the firmware testing and new features are 100% before we start shipping. This project is our number one priority!
GNE
Quote:
Rainmaker: beta testing has been going very well but has lead to some interesting and powerful new features being added.



Hope preset morphing / stepping will be added.
That would be amazing.
L.C.O.
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel
Cata
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel
jjclark
Cata wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel


L.C.O.
jjclark wrote:
Cata wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel




mmmmmmm, clasic.
tsunamisucks
indeed

Intellijel
SamUK
Quote:
The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time.

— Tom Cargill, Bell Labs


Ninety-ninety rule
evileye0702
SamUK wrote:
Quote:
The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time.

— Tom Cargill, Bell Labs


Ninety-ninety rule


Very true. But in this case lets hope all the code is written and its just the testing that needs to be done.

Unfortunately, in my experience, the testing takes just as long.
bkbirge
evileye0702 wrote:
SamUK wrote:
Quote:
The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time.

— Tom Cargill, Bell Labs


Ninety-ninety rule


Very true. But in this case lets hope all the code is written and its just the testing that needs to be done.

Unfortunately, in my experience, the testing takes just as long.


That's why test driven development is so awesome.
damase
Is jellysquasher in the same final stages before release? Sorry if i missed i cant even find a thread on the Js!
spudboyblues
Man. Sometime soon Intellijel will make its own Shared System with case, 1U utility row, etc., and it will rival Make Noise.
Funky40
Intellijel, have you an estimation when the Rainmaker is ready ?

.........guess its not the 3 weeks after Namm.
I ask, because its a hard task to manage to get several of the new(er) US Modules into one shippment.


.......you know, waiting for one, means another one can be sold out in the meantime.
or, waiting for one, might make a match with the coming of another one, wink
waiting hasn´t to be bad thing. wink
the tough part is to keep shipping and import costs low.
so, updated infos are very appreciated
johnwynberg
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel


According to SchneidersLaden: 'First delivery approximately in the 2nd week of March.' cry
tsunamisucks
just reserved one in Schneiders' today

Intellijel
Krater
...approximately!
evileye0702
johnwynberg wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel


According to SchneidersLaden: 'First delivery approximately in the 2nd week of March.' cry


If that's the date, I'm giddy. That's only a couple weeks away. It's peanut butter jelly time!
L.C.O.
evileye0702 wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I just want to know the date...

Intellijel


According to SchneidersLaden: 'First delivery approximately in the 2nd week of March.' cry


If that's the date, I'm giddy. That's only a couple weeks away. It's peanut butter jelly time!


are there any other sources that confirm this timeline?
Daisuk
I think it's pretty likely that Schneiders have been given the same info we have, and that they are guessing (hence the use of the word "approximately") when it will be available. I remember asking Schneiders about the availability of both Clouds and Elements last year, and got answers in the same vein, which turned out to be incorrect. Not that I blame them for that, of course - delays always seem to happen.

I wouldn't hope too much for the second week of March, anyway, but hope I'm wrong. smile
L.C.O.
Daisuk wrote:
I think it's pretty likely that Schneiders have been given the same info we have, and that they are guessing (hence the use of the word "approximately") when it will be available. I remember asking Schneiders about the availability of both Clouds and Elements last year, and got answers in the same vein, which turned out to be incorrect. Not that I blame them for that, of course - delays always seem to happen.

I wouldn't hope too much for the second week of March, anyway, but hope I'm wrong. smile


Thank you for the feedback.
I suspected as much, which is why I was asking for other sources to confirm.
:-)
tsunamisucks
Daisuk wrote:
I think it's pretty likely that Schneiders have been given the same info we have, and that they are guessing (hence the use of the word "approximately") when it will be available. I remember asking Schneiders about the availability of both Clouds and Elements last year, and got answers in the same vein, which turned out to be incorrect. Not that I blame them for that, of course - delays always seem to happen.

I wouldn't hope too much for the second week of March, anyway, but hope I'm wrong. smile


i've been to Schneiders a couple of weeks ago and the guys said
they're awaiting a big bundle of old+new Intellijel modules (incl. Polaris, Dixie2 etc)
and Rainmaker is likely to be a part of it
and as soon as it's on website - it's confirmed.

so it's on the website now (hides)
Synchronon
Just ordered one at Schneiders after being on the fence about it for several weeks. I really tried to resist but had no chance thinking about adding the Rainmaker to the Shapeshifter and wiggling my brains out into oblivion MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Having said that I love (!) the glitch-noise stuff I saw in recent short-demos but it would be nice to also cover the ambient-drony side of this beast. Damn I cannot wait a few more weeks Dead Banana
thisisprisma
one of the best modules of namm16..
ntlss
take my money away
corridors
is power consumption info for this listed anywhere?
Citizen Klaus
spudboyblues wrote:
Man. Sometime soon Intellijel will make its own Shared System with case, 1U utility row, etc., and it will rival Make Noise.


...something like this, you mean?

spacenoodle
Anyone know what "changes to the firmware" are in process? Maybe a sound on sound looping mode? What more could they possibly add to this thing?
tsunamisucks
Citizen Klaus wrote:
spudboyblues wrote:
Man. Sometime soon Intellijel will make its own Shared System with case, 1U utility row, etc., and it will rival Make Noise.


...something like this, you mean?






Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
greenanother
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?
MATSmile
greenanother wrote:
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?

Just buy mungo d0 and then buy rainmaker when it will come out. I bet they are really different.
arbito
Man, I wish those cases were 104hp waah
greenanother
MATSmile wrote:
greenanother wrote:
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?

Just buy mungo d0 and then buy rainmaker when it will come out. I bet they are really different.


Ha! Yeah, just later and I'll know how different/same they are. thumbs up
MATSmile
greenanother wrote:
MATSmile wrote:
greenanother wrote:
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?

Just buy mungo d0 and then buy rainmaker when it will come out. I bet they are really different.


Ha! Yeah, just later and I'll know how different/same they are. thumbs up

Ok,ok... I have Mungo D0 and it does karplus pretty well, really bright strings and quite easy to achieve. I've heard demos of Rainmaker doing karplus and it sounds quite different, strums are deeper but not as bright, but if you are looking for module specifically for karplus I suggest looking into CG products delay.
greenanother
Good info; thx-will check that out. May also have to revisit the delay and comb filter on my Octatrack. Imagine it's hiding in there somewhere.
tsunamisucks
MATSmile wrote:
Ok,ok... I have Mungo D0 and it does karplus pretty well, really bright strings and quite easy to achieve. I've heard demos of Rainmaker doing karplus and it sounds quite different, strums are deeper but not as bright, but if you are looking for module specifically for karplus I suggest looking into CG products delay.


sorry for being a little bit offtopic, but are there any good demos with karplus-strong via d0?
greenanother
Check it: https://navs.bandcamp.com/album/mungo-d0-delay-demo

Some karplus inside and more (thanks to navs expert patching) something wonderful

Edit: so when I hear this demo, I wonder if the Rainmaker can get in the same territory (considering the mungo costs almost the same amount).
jjclark
greenanother wrote:
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?


There are two on my soundcloud page:

https://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-segovia-remembranza

https://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-comb-sequence

The first is a pretty standard Karplus-strong string sound.

The second is a very non-standard use of Karplus-strong, where we crank the feedback gain up past 1. I don't know how the Mungo D0 handles such a case, but the Rainmaker has some nonlinearities in the feedback loop that produce interesting and useful sounds when the comb feedback is overdriven. There are 3 different feedback nonlinearities to choose from.

It should also be kept in mind that the comb resonator on the Rainmaker has 64 taps, which can be irregularly spaced. Any number of these can be summed to form the output, and to be fed back. This provides a wide range of different timbres. I don't think the Mungo D0 has this option. Of course, the sound of "plucking" the resonator depends a lot on the excitation input. There are two built-in excitations (or pings), but you can always use an external input for this, and adjust that to alter the sound. For example, in the Remembranza track, I used the noise waveform on a Cyclebox II passed through a VCA with a short spike envelope.
greenanother
jjclark wrote:
greenanother wrote:
@jjclark

Any demos that demonstrate Rainmaker acheiving Karplus Strong synthesis on the level of a Mungo dO?


There are two on my soundcloud page:

https://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-segovia-remembranza

https://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-comb-sequence

The first is a pretty standard Karplus-strong string sound.

The second is a very non-standard use of Karplus-strong, where we crank the feedback gain up past 1. I don't know how the Mungo D0 handles such a case, but the Rainmaker has some nonlinearities in the feedback loop that produce interesting and useful sounds when the comb feedback is overdriven. There are 3 different feedback nonlinearities to choose from.

It should also be kept in mind that the comb resonator on the Rainmaker has 64 taps, which can be irregularly spaced. Any number of these can be summed to form the output, and to be fed back. This provides a wide range of different timbres. I don't think the Mungo D0 has this option. Of course, the sound of "plucking" the resonator depends a lot on the excitation input. There are two built-in excitations (or pings), but you can always use an external input for this, and adjust that to alter the sound. For example, in the Remembranza track, I used the noise waveform on a Cyclebox II passed through a VCA with a short spike envelope.


Thank you for the detailed response (it's obvious that the Rainmaker has much more flexibility-albeit for much more hp).

I had listened to those tracks in the past and forgot. Sounds good, but I would like to hear notes/tones a bit lower in pitch and more spaced apart if at all possible (even some enharmonic examples would be nice).
Daisuk
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? lol

Any news on when a manual will be ready for this? I imagine it having to be quite comprehensive. smile
Krater
yes, RTFM please! I have one on pre-order and really would love to dive into the manual before I actually have it in my hands/rack. thumbs up
Synchronon
Krater wrote:
yes, RTFM please! I have one on pre-order and really would love to dive into the manual before I actually have it in my hands/rack.


Same here. Studying the manual would also be a great way of distracting oneself from waiting for this gem.
greenanother
^ +1 sad banana
0netwo0netwo
yeah c'mon!!

my rainmaker space is already reserved and waiting



Mr. Green Mr. Green

thumbs up
Noha
I'm really looking forward to checking this one out. It could be the modular FX unit I've been looking for, the RS290 of the 21st century if you will.
evileye0702
The wait gets more challenging by the day. I sure hope we see this by the end of the month.
johnwynberg
Still some days left, until the end of the second week of March. This sounds like the calm before the… Rain…?

As for the manual, anybody remembers when was the Shapeshifter manual released? I don't think Intellijel releases manuals before the modules start shipping, but I would love to be proved wrong in this case.
GNE
I don't mind waiting as long as necessary for a "bug free" first run release. I am not into updating firmware and would rather it have all of the features it is going to have in the first run. Hope they take their time and make it perfect.

I do hope they add preset morphing........ that would be amazing.

I am really looking forward to this one. Most exciting new module this year. [ so far ]
tsunamisucks
GNE wrote:
I do hope they add preset morphing........ that would be amazing


i think Mod A/B knobs and accompanying cv inputs can do that

at least i want to believe

johnwynberg wrote:
Still some days left, until the end of the second week of March


"apparently all the hardware is ready, they're just finalising the firmware, so soon, but they don't reply when we ask them" (c)
Synchronon
Well of course the Rainmaker should be fully functional when shipped, would not make much sense to have the hardware in your rack and not being able to use it to its full effect...if I had to choose between shipping in March and having a flawless software I'd choose the latter. And I'd also be very happy about preset-morphing but at least in all info-videos I've seen this option has been ruled out so far.
thisisprisma
can't wait for this one! so excited! but i will have to start a new case.. no enough hp though..
eyeiaye
Is it me, or does the reverb on this should sub par?

The erbe verb blows the rain away. Everything else is awesome, but the reverb souls super digital artafacty from the demos.
Daisuk
eyeiaye wrote:
Is it me, or does the reverb on this should sub par?

The erbe verb blows the rain away. Everything else is awesome, but the reverb souls super digital artafacty from the demos.


Well, it's not a reverb. wink
0netwo0netwo
thats what i was thinking, i even went searching for demos i could find where the Rainmaker was being used as a reverb

just curious mr eyejaye, what was it you saw that made you think the Rainmaker was a reverb??

thanks
Krater
jjclark wrote:


The Rainmaker can do Ursa-Major SpaceStation type reverbs, but it's not going to compete with the Valhalla's or Lexicons.



Release must be close now! hyper
drxcm
eyeiaye wrote:
Is it me, or does the reverb on this should sub par?

The erbe verb blows the rain away. Everything else is awesome, but the reverb souls super digital artafacty from the demos.


The Erbrverb is easily worse for pitch shifted delays seriously, i just don't get it
evileye0702
eyeiaye wrote:
Is it me, or does the reverb on this should sub par?

The erbe verb blows the rain away. Everything else is awesome, but the reverb souls super digital artafacty from the demos.


There is a difference between reverb and resonation. Here's a short explanation I found.

Quote:
Resonance and reverberation are, indeed, more or less just two aspects of the same phenomenon. The difference is whether you focus on what happens to the time-domain representation (reverb) or frequency-domain representation (resonance) of a signal. For instance, when you seed a room with a short impulse and observe how a microphone picks up a far longer sound event, you call it reverb. If you start with white noise and notice the microphone picks up one frequency more strongly than the others, you call it resonance.


Honestly, I don't think we've even come close to seeing what the Rainmaker is capable of. Most of the demos were thrown together quick on incomplete firmware and many presented in noisy environments.
thetwlo
the reverb is more of a bonus, I thought it sounded pretty great doing the Ursa-Major thing:

jjclark wrote:


The Rainmaker can do Ursa-Major SpaceStation type reverbs, but it's not going to compete with the Valhalla's or Lexicons.

Here's a taste:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-reverb-demo[/s]

spacenoodle
eyeiaye wrote:
Is it me, or does the reverb on this should sub par?

The erbe verb blows the rain away. Everything else is awesome, but the reverb souls super digital artafacty from the demos.


The fact that a delay is capable of something like reverb at all is impressive. And as a reverb Rainmaker seems to have unique character. I personally don't need another traditional sounding one so I'm all for the artifacts.
tsunamisucks
already third week of March very frustrating

exper
tsunamisucks wrote:
already third week of March very frustrating



Ha. Nice clip.

The tweaks that are being added to the Rainmaker will most definitely be worth the extra time. Rockin' Banana!
greenanother
exper wrote:


The tweaks that are being added to the Rainmaker will most definitely be worth the extra time. Rockin' Banana!


Sounds like you might have some info... Mr. Green
tsunamisucks
exper wrote:
Ha. Nice clip.


i'm wondering if i will be able to use Rainmaker for a cover version hihi

exper wrote:
The tweaks that are being added to the Rainmaker will most definitely be worth the extra time.


hey, it's so masonic if you're not sharing the details - please do
exper
tsunamisucks wrote:
exper wrote:
Ha. Nice clip.


i'm wondering if i will be able to use Rainmaker for a cover version hihi

exper wrote:
The tweaks that are being added to the Rainmaker will most definitely be worth the extra time.


hey, it's so masonic if you're not sharing the details - please do


Ha. No illuminati stuff here, I'm sure the info will be out there very soon.
tsunamisucks
ok so March 16th and firmware is still being finalized according to jjclark

jjclark wrote:


Side view of my 12U eurorack, including a Rainmaker module being worked on to finalize the firmware.


i'm already fine with waiting, but then the module must be perfect eek!
johnwynberg
tsunamisucks wrote:
ok so March 16th and firmware is still being finalized according to jjclark


Thanks for the info, but where does it from? Instagram? Facebook? Twitter? I'll like to follow jjclark there as well, if that's the best way to keep up-to-date info about what's happening with the Rainmaker.

If they still have not ‘finalized’ the firmware, we’ll be lucky if we can have the Rainmaker in our cases by the end of the month. sad banana
Funky40
tsunamisucks wrote:

i'm already fine with waiting, but then the module must be perfect eek!

I´m fine with the module "just" beeing updatable wink which it is IIRC.
i mean more simple than the shapey is ( which even i managed to update wink )


i don´t see the Reverb as a bonus, so far i only see it as JJs patchwork.wink
time will tell how much reverb i will get to see in my rack wink lol
absolutely loved me those reverb sounds.
Though, the interesting part will be to see how morphable all this is .....??
Krater
He posted this picture here in the Eurorack Photo-thread, but he did not say that he is still finalizing it right now. But who knows? A little status update would be highly appreciated.
evileye0702
The masses are getting restless, me included. I should have known not to get into pre-order hysteria. Although even if I hadn't pre-ordered I'd still be anxious for this one to hit the streets. Hell I bought another case just so I could fit it.

It will come. It will be good. All will rejoice.
Synchronon
evileye0702 wrote:
The masses are getting restless, me included. I should have known not to get into pre-order hysteria. Although even if I hadn't pre-ordered I'd still be anxious for this one to hit the streets. Hell I bought another case just so I could fit it.

It will come. It will be good. All will rejoice.


I bought a new case for it as well. Now in the meantime the case does not run away but it gets filled up with other goodies Dead Banana Still some hp left though hihi
evileye0702
Synchronon wrote:
evileye0702 wrote:
The masses are getting restless, me included. I should have known not to get into pre-order hysteria. Although even if I hadn't pre-ordered I'd still be anxious for this one to hit the streets. Hell I bought another case just so I could fit it.

It will come. It will be good. All will rejoice.


I bought a new case for it as well. Now in the meantime the case does not run away but it gets filled up with other goodies Dead Banana Still some hp left though hihi


I've resisted to fill the new case so far. I just can't stand the look of an empty case. What a waste not to fill it with more stuff to wiggle. Damn the retirement fund!
thisisprisma
evileye0702 wrote:
Synchronon wrote:
evileye0702 wrote:
The masses are getting restless, me included. I should have known not to get into pre-order hysteria. Although even if I hadn't pre-ordered I'd still be anxious for this one to hit the streets. Hell I bought another case just so I could fit it.

It will come. It will be good. All will rejoice.


I bought a new case for it as well. Now in the meantime the case does not run away but it gets filled up with other goodies Dead Banana Still some hp left though hihi


I've resisted to fill the new case so far. I just can't stand the look of an empty case. What a waste not to fill it with more stuff to wiggle. Damn the retirement fund!


haha, i am in the same situation here, i can't stand looking a that empty space in my rack, although i know it will be for good, waiting for a big thing!
jjclark
Really, Danjel is the one to provide official updates. He is the one to let the rain start falling (at least in places other than Vancouver).

As far as I can say, the main thing is making the official presets (128 of them) and doing some additional user testing. While the intellijel crew is doing that I am doing a few tweaks to the firmware.

As for morphing, its not going to be morphable in the same way that the Shapeshifter is, since we can't use the same morphing circuitry tricks. But there is plenty plenty modulation to be had.
krisamadhi
So excited for this. but I keep running out of space wink
Funky40
jjclark wrote:

As for morphing, its not going to be morphable in the same way that the Shapeshifter is, since we can't use the same morphing circuitry tricks. But there is plenty plenty modulation to be had.

yeah, i for my one never expected the Rainmaker to make "real" morphs.
But as you say: modulations !
thats what i´m very curious to see how far we can go with that.

What i much wish me though, -i repeat myself-, is preset switching.
Not necessarily for "soundmaking" as such but for common delay purposes.
I see there a real win for it. But i also can imagine possible problems arising from a programmers view.........


jjclark wrote:

As far as I can say, the main thing is making the official presets (128 of them)

personally i´m not interested in presets lol
if i could choose i would wish me the module delivered with something like 8 presets.
Definitly not more than 16 . Just my opinion ofcourse
Upright
Does anyone know if there is an expected street date?
phobik
intellijel wrote:
milkyjoe wrote:
OUCH, that price....Now I see why it called "rainmaker"


Something like the Mutable Instruments Elements is $599 yet the build cost is about half or a third of what it costs to make a Rainmaker which is priced at only $39 more. The FPGA part alone costs $100. That is not to mention the ridiculous amount of hours spent developing this thing over the course of 2+ years.

We have always tried to price our entire line with carefully considered fair prices. I am confident that if you try this module you will find it is good value considering how versatile it is.


Why a $100 FPGA and which one?
tsunamisucks
double post waah
tsunamisucks
Funky40 wrote:
personally i´m not interested in presets lol
if i could choose i would wish me the module delivered with something like 8 presets.
Definitly not more than 16 . Just my opinion ofcourse


not a presets fan here, but super interested about what Rainmaker is about to offer - so far all the demos are insane. and of course the best thing is that you can learn the module through looking into presets - and we also have 128 user storage slots

this is so awesome eek!
evileye0702
tsunamisucks wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
personally i´m not interested in presets lol
if i could choose i would wish me the module delivered with something like 8 presets.
Definitly not more than 16 . Just my opinion ofcourse


not a presets fan here, but super interested about what Rainmaker is about to offer - so far all the demos are insane. and of course the best thing is that you can learn the module through looking into presets - and we also have 128 user storage slots

this is so awesome eek!


I like presets mostly because they are a good starting point. But I am disciplined enough not to rely on them. In this case a preset is only part of the equation because the way the user modulates it plays a large role too.

What I don't like is preset storage completely full of factory presets. Then I have the difficult choice of choosing which to overwrite. I've typically found that 1/4 to 1/2 full of factory presets is ideal. Sounds like that's what we are getting. There are a lot of nuances to this module so having presets from those that know it best is a great starting point. Hopefully there is a little documentation to support the presets too.

Of course, many of us got into modular to get away from presets. I've found it enlightening that I CAN'T come back to a patch I created months ago.
Funky40
my post was mostly meant to say:
hey, bring it on the market...............don´t lose too much time on presets "now"
wink


evileye0702 wrote:

What I don't like is preset storage completely full of factory presets. Then I have the difficult choice of choosing which to overwrite. I've typically found that 1/4 to 1/2 full of factory presets is ideal.
.

this.

a clear overview of some basic functions with a clear naming is a good starting point.
everything else on top please.


i personally *arrange* my presets over "virtual banks",
0-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, etc

i MUCH prefer me to have a good overlook of what presets i came up with, rather than to have the comfort of just grabbing one of the makers presets from a huge selection.
so, having empy slots in the preset list is also an information for me when i hunt for a preset "within my presetlist".
its an not to underestimate factor in my workflow to have those empty slots.
anyway.................................me: hoping for not more than 1/4 filled up upfront
MATSmile
Let's face it, it will make absolutely no difference whenever it will come out now, after tmrw or even next month. All yours 'finish faster' don't make sense to me, it'll be ready when it will be ready, let people do their jobs peacefully.
Noha
I, for one, salute the Intellijel crew for undertaking the monumental task of creating 128 unique presets that show off the depth of this machine. Looking forward to tweakin' on em!
we're not worthy
intellijel
The Rainmaker hardware was not originally designed to allow users to import and export presets but after feedback from testers we decided this was very important to implement and so we came up with a way to make it happen.


In order to make it straightforward from a users perspective we needed to implement this so that it could be done using midi over usb and formatted as sysex data. It took a while but Kamil has got this working and is just doing some final polishing. The good news is that this same method of data exchange can be used for a bunch of our upcoming products and some of our current ones too like the uMidi.

There have been a bunch of other tweaks and new features added and we are now entering the final stretch where we will revise and create 128 presets and iron out any other little bugs identified by our beta testers.
We have some special guest sound designers helping us with this too wink

Obviously we would like to release this asap but we also want to make sure that we are shipping the best and most complete product we possibly can.

All I can say is thanks for the patience and it will be very very soon now smile
Coconuts
Yeah, take your time Dan. We appreciate the hard work and for implementing features that, in the long, run benefit us, the users.
Synchronon
Coconuts wrote:
Yeah, take your time Dan. We appreciate the hard work and for implementing features that, in the long, run benefit us, the users.


thumbs up Although I rarely use presets at all their analysis can have a kind of "heuristic" function with regard to the possibilities of a module. So yeah, I will patiently keep on drooling...
Funky40
I am ofcourse also much appreciating you Intellijel folks taking your time while i do patiently wait.
totally excited that such thing hits the market


Funky40 wrote:
my post was mostly meant to say:
hey, bring it on the market...............don´t lose too much time on presets "now"
wink

the first part here was btw. utter rubbish./ sorry
in fact i hope that it will take another 3 weeks or so for the rainmaker to hit the streets.
so that the Rainmaker and dual looping delay can be shipped in one to overseas.


what i gladly would like to get to listen is btw. a totally common "groove Delay Demo" a la TC D-Two,
just with added pitchshifting. wink
Krater
Thanks for the update! Trying to wait patiently Guinness ftw!
M6live
Redacted.
0netwo0netwo
Art Vanderlay
Sinamsis
I'm sorry if this has already been covered, I read through the thread and didn't see it. How will firmware be updated on this? I found the Shapeshifter firmware update process difficult, mainly because I don't own a PC (all my computers are Apple products).

Also what sort of connection will be used for the sysex dumps of patches/banks? Will you be able to transfer one preset at a time? Or will you have to dump a whole bank at a time?

Thanks so much.
kisielk
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm sorry if this has already been covered, I read through the thread and didn't see it. How will firmware be updated on this? I found the Shapeshifter firmware update process difficult, mainly because I don't own a PC (all my computers are Apple products).

Also what sort of connection will be used for the sysex dumps of patches/banks? Will you be able to transfer one preset at a time? Or will you have to dump a whole bank at a time?

Thanks so much.


There's two components: the display board which has an ARM chip and can be updated via a USB bootloader like the µMIDI, and the FPGA board that does the DSP. The FPGA is the same as on the Shapeshifter and so must be updated the same way. I doubt there will be many updates since it's pretty close to 100% full.

Presets are saved / loaded via SysEx. You can either download them one at a time or all at once, and then they are uploaded in individual commands. The connection is via the USB port on the display. Since it's over USB MIDI it's very fast, around 1 second to transfer all 128 of them.
Sinamsis
kisielk
Thanks for the quick response. And to clarify, to access the display USB port, the module has to be removed from the rack and unplugged from the PSU correct? Is just a USB to mini USB B cable required? Or is there any other hardware that needs to be purchased?

Sorry for the million questions.
kisielk
Yes it will have to be removed from the rack, but will still need power. Micro USB cable, like for a cell phone.
sonicmayhem
So no release date yet? wow. Almost April. smile
Daisuk
Richard Devine has just gotten his Rainmaker, so I assume he's part of the preset-design process? smile Just posted this video to his Instagram;

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDoO7BBDQkw/?taken-by=richarddevine&hl=nb

As usual though, his stuff is so complex and full of sounds it's kind of hard to discern exactly what the Rainmaker is doing. Track sounds good though! Also, as per usual. Mr. Green
thisisprisma
That is sick! yeah i heard once they had a special guest for the Rainmaker preset design smile now we all know Rockin' Banana!
johnwynberg
Daisuk wrote:
Richard Devine has just gotten his Rainmaker, so I assume he's part of the preset-design process?


Not sure why he bothers, if there is a full Rainmaker mode with his name lol (I'm joking, of course. Looking forward to listen to what he can do with it).

Hopefully Intellijel are going to start sending the Rainmaker to distributors, very soon. Though most likely they would want to ship with the Factory presets... I assume the Factory presets are not updatable. So that could mean another week or two.

Anyway, tired of waiting for it, I've blown my budget, so if it takes another two weeks or more, my credit card would be more comfortable with it.
evileye0702
johnwynberg wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Richard Devine has just gotten his Rainmaker, so I assume he's part of the preset-design process?


Not sure why he bothers, if there is a full Rainmaker mode with his name lol (I'm joking, of course. Looking forward to listen to what he can do with it).

Hopefully Intellijel are going to start sending the Rainmaker to distributors, very soon. Though most likely they would want to ship with the Factory presets... I assume the Factory presets are not updatable. So that could mean another week or two.

Anyway, tired of waiting for it, I've blown my budget, so if it takes another two weeks or more, my credit card would be more comfortable with it.


Of course Devine got one. He gets his dirty little paws on everything before we do. Yes, I am jealous I don't dislike the man. He has mad skills and he's a very pleasant person to talk to.

That snippet shows me just about nothing about the Rainmaker except how the faceplate looks. My lust for more examples remains unfulfilled. Soon enough. Soon enough.

Hope that manual is done because I might be kind of clueless without it.

BTW, I think you can export/import presets via USB MIDI so they COULD update factory presets.
Daisuk
And another one, showing some Karplus-Strong;

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDoYn1JjQpr/?hl=en

I have to say, the whole Karplus-Strong fascination is kind of beyond me - always sounded kind of crap to me. confused An out of tune tinny sort of sound. Can sound good, of course, but usually it sounds pretty shit, in my opinion. Not to diss Rainmaker or Devine, of course (I'm getting Rainmaker for other reasons), I probably just don't get it. smile
damase
Is jellysquasher in line for same release date??? no thread for it yet but i know i cant be the only one excited for it
Sinamsis
Daisuk
I think I'm with you regarding Karplus Strong. I think part of it is taking on the challenge of figuring it out. That being said, I find it kind of neat. The Karplus Strong algorithm in Clouds parasite version is pretty fun. I'm sure the Rainmaker will be pretty crazy in terms of that and much more. Can't wait!
Funky40
Daisuk wrote:
Can sound good, of course, but usually it sounds pretty shit, in my opinion.

No.
then you´ve not found your way to it for now.
( yes i read: you just spoke out your opinion)
a good starting point for example is to patch with the doepfer BBD 188-1 (IIRC). the one with 512 stages.

The real beauty of KS/Resonator sounds lies to a big big part in the lower tones.
Bassy Tones and Bassy Drums.
the higher pitched a sound is, the more prone is it to sound thin and uninspiring, .....but not necessarily.
some modules like the Mysterion can even shine on higher pitched notes while the doepfers IMHO do not.
ok, if someone would not love those wonderful bassy tones......it might be possible ......... lol wink
Never heard any warmer and more organic basses than coming from Resonators.



again: also in the Video above from Richard does the Rainmaker Sound very clean in my opinion.
different than any resonator i ever patched. Yes, seems to be a good thing wink

much looking foreward to it Rockin' Banana!
dhoinjo
Any idea on the release yet?
sonicmayhem
dhoinjo wrote:
Any idea on the release yet?


I think they added new features so the release was pushed back a bit. Can't wait tho.
Upright
If you can only buy one module this year I really think Rainmaker is going to be the one to buy.
Daisuk
Would it be possible somehow to use the delay with one separate signal and the comb filter with one separate signal? As in say plug one audio source into input a and route it to the delay, and take that signal out of output a, and vice versa with the comb filter? Or do you have to sort of just override the delay if you want to use only the comb filter, or disable the comb filter if you only want to use the delay? I mean, I'm probably going to want to use both in tandem, but would be nice to know if the above would be possible.

Oh, and regarding Karplus-Strong; I've tried the Karplus-Strong in Rings, and really like it, so I guess I was generalizing too much. Maybe I just haven't liked a lot of the Karplus-Strong demos I've heard so far. smile
kisielk
Daisuk wrote:
Would it be possible somehow to use the delay with one separate signal and the comb filter with one separate signal? As in say plug one audio source into input a and route it to the delay, and take that signal out of output a, and vice versa with the comb filter? Or do you have to sort of just override the delay if you want to use only the comb filter, or disable the comb filter if you only want to use the delay? I mean, I'm probably going to want to use both in tandem, but would be nice to know if the above would be possible.

Oh, and regarding Karplus-Strong; I've tried the Karplus-Strong in Rings, and really like it, so I guess I was generalizing too much. Maybe I just haven't liked a lot of the Karplus-Strong demos I've heard so far. smile


There are several routing options, with one of them being delay on L and comb on R.
Daisuk
kisielk wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Would it be possible somehow to use the delay with one separate signal and the comb filter with one separate signal? As in say plug one audio source into input a and route it to the delay, and take that signal out of output a, and vice versa with the comb filter? Or do you have to sort of just override the delay if you want to use only the comb filter, or disable the comb filter if you only want to use the delay? I mean, I'm probably going to want to use both in tandem, but would be nice to know if the above would be possible.

Oh, and regarding Karplus-Strong; I've tried the Karplus-Strong in Rings, and really like it, so I guess I was generalizing too much. Maybe I just haven't liked a lot of the Karplus-Strong demos I've heard so far. smile


There are several routing options, with one of them being delay on L and comb on R.


Sweet, many thanks for the info! smile Can't wait to hear some more demos (and to actually get to play with it!). smile
deStrict
Routing will make this machine the best ever.
I only doubt i can use in my own music :(
ether
Still praying for rain, not that I'm a prayin' man.
milkyjoe
Still no date for release ??

I thought intelijel was one of the manufacturers who has product ready to sell before announcing...??? Not anymore ?

Is there any info on when this will be ready, or could it just be any time ?
strangeowl
On intellijel Instagram it said they're going to ship out rainmaker next week.
Daisuk
strangeowl wrote:
On intellijel Instagram it said they're going to ship out rainmaker next week.


At the end of this week.

intellijelstarts rolling out at end of the week we hope.

Let's hope so! thumbs up
milkyjoe
Cool, I hope to see a bunch of demo's. And then I hope it will be in stock if/when I want to order!
thisisprisma
ohhh the moment is coming and my savings are gone very frustrating
Synchronon
My Body is ready MY ASS IS BLEEDING
evileye0702
I've been doing my rain dance since the module was announced. I've got my waders on ready to wiggle in the puddles.
Upright
I really wanna see some demos. I know they're taking their time because they want to get it right and that's good but sheesh the suspense is intense. Lol
L.C.O.
can not wait for this!
this is bound to become the best "summer fling" yet! ;-)
evileye0702
I assume these still haven't shipped. I want some rain....
euxine
Control has it listed as coming soon - they are typically pretty conservative about doing this so I'd expect they have tracking information.

Also, Music Store in DE says 'shipping May 2nd'

Both good signs I think!
cool
Section956
Is it too late to change the name to Purple Rainmaker?
tebs213
Section956 wrote:
Is it too late to change the name to Purple Rainmaker?


:(
ether
:( :(
bkbirge
There should at least be a factory patch "when modulars cry"
Upright
I wonder if there is a way to modulate 'Mix' via one the 'Mod' inputs
jjclark
Upright wrote:
I wonder if there is a way to modulate 'Mix' via one the 'Mod' inputs


Mix is done in analog, and there is no vca circuit, so no.
exper
Well, that'll just make it a nice companion for the dubmix and it VC effects send loop. Rockin' Banana!
jjclark
jjclark wrote:
Upright wrote:
I wonder if there is a way to modulate 'Mix' via one the 'Mod' inputs


Mix is done in analog, and there is no vca circuit, so no.


However, you CAN control the rhythm delay's wet/dry with the mod inputs. Just not the module's overall mix.
Upright
jjclark wrote:


However, you CAN control the rhythm delay's wet/dry with the mod inputs. Just not the module's overall mix.



Thanks for clarifying. grin


I'm hoping it won't be too much longer.
milkyjoe
Do i have this right? :

The reason it still is not being sold is because of the presets being made which can easily be loaded in by the user in the first place. That seems kind of strange. ..
evileye0702
milkyjoe wrote:
Do i have this right? :

The reason it still is not being sold is because of the presets being made which can easily be loaded in by the user in the first place. That seems kind of strange. ..


Well...the manual doesn't appear to be done either.
binary007
I was totally stoked for this unit until I read this.

"Individual tap delays are set according to one of 16 preset patterns (grooves)"

Preset patterns? really. Where is the freedom to set time values for each tap? Goes against the whole idea of a modular system.
Can you guys provide a firmware update to fix this limitation?
Jim Clark to the rescue?
binary007
jjclark wrote:
The Rainmaker was designed and developed by Jim Clark (FPGA firmware, front panel board electronics), Danjel van Tijn (pcb layouts, display board electronics, front panel, great ideas on features), and Kamal Kisiel (display board firmware).


I was totally stoked for this unit until I read this.

"Individual tap delays are set according to one of 16 preset patterns (grooves)"

Preset patterns? really. Where is the freedom to set time values for each tap? Goes against the whole idea of a modular system.
Can you guys provide a firmware update to fix this limitation?
Jim Clark to the rescue? eek!
euxine
binary007 wrote:

Preset patterns? really. Where is the freedom to set time values for each tap?


This refers to the comb resonator section, not the stereo rhythm delay section. Most comb resonators have *1* pattern, so 16 is flipping incredible.
Upright
evileye0702 wrote:




Well...the manual doesn't appear to be done either.




Ah good point.
Krater
euxine wrote:
binary007 wrote:

Preset patterns? really. Where is the freedom to set time values for each tap?


This refers to the comb resonator section, not the stereo rhythm delay section. Most comb resonators have *1* pattern, so 16 is flipping incredible.


Not so sure about this, the 16 preset patterns/grooves thing is listed in the description of the delay section (on page 1 of this thread).
The waiting hurts now btw.
Any hopefully last word on the final release/shipping date? Must be really close!
jjclark
milkyjoe wrote:
Do i have this right? :

The reason it still is not being sold is because of the presets being made which can easily be loaded in by the user in the first place. That seems kind of strange. ..


This is not the only reason, of course. There are many details that must be attended to before a module can be shipped.

The user can't easily load in presets if they don't exist. Hence, we are making them. Factory presets are important in a complex module like this as they serve as starting points for users. The module would not be as immediately useful out of the box if it only had blank, or default, memory slots.
jjclark
binary007 wrote:
jjclark wrote:
The Rainmaker was designed and developed by Jim Clark (FPGA firmware, front panel board electronics), Danjel van Tijn (pcb layouts, display board electronics, front panel, great ideas on features), and Kamal Kisiel (display board firmware).


I was totally stoked for this unit until I read this.

"Individual tap delays are set according to one of 16 preset patterns (grooves)"

Preset patterns? really. Where is the freedom to set time values for each tap? Goes against the whole idea of a modular system.
Can you guys provide a firmware update to fix this limitation?
Jim Clark to the rescue? eek!


The ability to individually set every single tap time was left out due to space and design constraints. Sorry.

Your remark about this going against the whole idea of a modular system is debatable, particularly in light of the existing (or nearly existing) Eurorack multi-tap delay modules all having fixed delay times for the taps (Sputnik 4-tap delay, Strymon Generalissimo 4-tap delay, Doepfer A-188-2 6-tap delay).

Rather than focusing on what the module cannot do you should focus on what it can do (which is a lot). The Rainmaker has 16 taps which provides a relatively fine granularity (down to 1/16th of a beat) if you want to get odd rhythms. You can also continuously (more or less) cross-fade from the selected groove to the uniformly spread tap times. The relative tap delay times can be randomly perturbed. The feedback delay time can be independently set (even voltage controlled) which gives even more rhythmic variation.
greenanother
jjclark wrote:


Rather than focusing on what the module cannot do you should focus on what it can do (which is a lot).


exactly spinning
evileye0702
jjclark wrote:
Rather than focusing on what the module cannot do you should focus on what it can do (which is a lot).



You know us users better than that. We want MORE MORE MORE, NOW NOW NOW and CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!!. hihi

I know I am very eager to see everything this module has to offer. I'm certain it's got more than I will master in months. Me pre-order is in, the space is available. I've practically got patch cords hanging waiting to feed it voltage.
milkyjoe
Thanks for the update. I'm sure this will be a great module thumbs up Really looking forward to demo's
Funky40
yes, thanks for the update.
closer infos on shipping time, -when known-, very welcome.


2016 is exciting times in euroland, .......while on other subjects less so though.
Upright
JJClark, are you able to touch on when the manual will be available?
jjclark
Upright wrote:
JJClark, are you able to touch on when the manual will be available?


Soon. I am plugging away on it. It's a complex module so the manual is not just a one-pager.
Upright
jjclark wrote:

Soon. I am plugging away on it. It's a complex module so the manual is not just a one-pager.



Understandable. Thanks for the update.
Synchronon
Yeah thx for the update and the infos....have it preordered as well and becoming a zenmaster while waiting for its release is a nice side-effect lol
Well that does not mean that I would be disappointed to have my patience-meditation interrupted by the postman finally bringing me the Rainmaker thumbs up
Funky40
yes, its about Cats, Modules and Zen here




huh, there is no Zen smili, ...........just this one here..................Pokeout
exper
I always use this for zen:

Om

Not the best fit and looks more like a Fever Ray emoji, but whatever.
Bob Borries
With 16 filters, I just realized you could emulate any Fixed Filter Bank like these...

jjclark
Bob Borries wrote:
With 16 filters, I just realized you could emulate any Fixed Filter Bank like these...


Yes, but not exactly. The rainmaker filters' center frequencies only go up to 4000 Hz, and the filters are just 2nd order svfs. The filters in the modules you mention probably have higher order filters. Also, the rainmaker doesn't have individual outs for each filter. You can get two outputs anyway, which can be good for doing spectral stereo spatialization.
Bob Borries
jjclark wrote:
Bob Borries wrote:
With 16 filters, I just realized you could emulate any Fixed Filter Bank like these...


Yes, but not exactly. The rainmaker filters' center frequencies only go up to 4000 Hz, and the filters are just 2nd order svfs. The filters in the modules you mention probably have higher order filters. Also, the rainmaker doesn't have individual outs for each filter. You can get two outputs anyway, which can be good for doing spectral stereo spatialization.


I was not aware that filter banks used higher order filters, maybe that's why they're so expensive. I think most classic FFB have 1 mono output for all the bands mixed together, 4000 Hz would be limiting for Fixed Filter Bank emulations. i'm not suggesting to use a Rainmaker just for FFB, but maybe a program that comes close, I assume the Rainmakers filters can achieve higher variable resonances that Fixed Filter Banks can.
jjclark
Bob Borries wrote:
jjclark wrote:
Bob Borries wrote:
With 16 filters, I just realized you could emulate any Fixed Filter Bank like these...


Yes, but not exactly. The rainmaker filters' center frequencies only go up to 4000 Hz, and the filters are just 2nd order svfs. The filters in the modules you mention probably have higher order filters. Also, the rainmaker doesn't have individual outs for each filter. You can get two outputs anyway, which can be good for doing spectral stereo spatialization.


I was not aware that filter banks used higher order filters, maybe that's why they're so expensive. I think most classic FFB have 1 mono output for all the bands mixed together, 4000 Hz would be limiting for Fixed Filter Bank emulations. i'm not suggesting to use a Rainmaker just for FFB, but maybe a program that comes close, I assume the Rainmakers filters can achieve higher variable resonances that Fixed Filter Banks can.


I don't know the circuits for all of those modules, so I don't know if they use high order filters. One issue with using multiple bandpass filters as a filterbank is the phase response. With your typical svf or biquad bandpass you get a lot of phase variation near the cutoff (or center) frequency. When you pile a lot of bandpasses together with different center frequencies you get a lot of phase distortion all over the place. You hear this as dispersion where different frequencies get delay by differing amounts. Of course, the rainmaker is built to do these sort of dispersive things on purpose, so I didn't worry too much about the phase effects of the tap filters.

You can design higher order filters so that they have flat phase in the passband, and keep the phase variations in the transition band, where the amplitude is lower and masked by overlapping filter passbands. There are circuit/computational tricks you can do to equalize the phase response to get minimize such problems but it adds to the complexity.
dhoinjo
this week perhaps? hihi
binary007
This module is listed as 32bit internal 96K.
Are we to believe that it sounds as clear as a rack unit when processing audio?
What kind of core processor is the unit running?
How are the AD / DA converters stacking up?

Thanks
ignatius
binary007 wrote:
This module is listed as 32bit internal 96K.
Are we to believe that it sounds as clear as a rack unit when processing audio?
What kind of core processor is the unit running?
How are the AD / DA converters stacking up?

Thanks


CPU + converters are important.. sure.. but imo it really comes down to the algorithm. see Zdsp + valhalla reverb carts for example. there's magic in there.
NeonCore
Dying to get my hands on one of these.. Dead Banana
jjclark
binary007 wrote:
This module is listed as 32bit internal 96K.
Are we to believe that it sounds as clear as a rack unit when processing audio?
What kind of core processor is the unit running?
How are the AD / DA converters stacking up?

Thanks


It's not going to equal multi-kilobuck Pro Audio sound quality as the analog signal path has your usual Eurorack opamps, and the AD/DA are consumer quality rather than super-high end devices. But there will be little to no aliasing noise due to the high sampling rate. The filters will saturate if you drive them too hard at high Q, but some people will take that as a feature.

There is no core processor - everything is done with special purpose hardware implemented in an FPGA. Well, there is a small CPU that is running the display code.

From what I hear from Danjel, shipping is imminent, barring last minute or last second hiccups.
binary007
jjclark wrote:
binary007 wrote:
This module is listed as 32bit internal 96K.
Are we to believe that it sounds as clear as a rack unit when processing audio?
What kind of core processor is the unit running?
How are the AD / DA converters stacking up?

Thanks


It's not going to equal multi-kilobuck Pro Audio sound quality as the analog signal path has your usual Eurorack opamps, and the AD/DA are consumer quality rather than super-high end devices. But there will be little to no aliasing noise due to the high sampling rate. The filters will saturate if you drive them too hard at high Q, but some people will take that as a feature.

There is no core processor - everything is done with special purpose hardware implemented in an FPGA. Well, there is a small CPU that is running the display code.

From what I hear from Danjel, shipping is imminent, barring last minute or last second hiccups.


Is this w/o a SHARC on board? Just one FPGA?

Thanks
kisielk
binary007 wrote:
jjclark wrote:
binary007 wrote:
This module is listed as 32bit internal 96K.
Are we to believe that it sounds as clear as a rack unit when processing audio?
What kind of core processor is the unit running?
How are the AD / DA converters stacking up?

Thanks


It's not going to equal multi-kilobuck Pro Audio sound quality as the analog signal path has your usual Eurorack opamps, and the AD/DA are consumer quality rather than super-high end devices. But there will be little to no aliasing noise due to the high sampling rate. The filters will saturate if you drive them too hard at high Q, but some people will take that as a feature.

There is no core processor - everything is done with special purpose hardware implemented in an FPGA. Well, there is a small CPU that is running the display code.

From what I hear from Danjel, shipping is imminent, barring last minute or last second hiccups.


Is this w/o a SHARC on board? Just one FPGA?

Thanks


Yes...

jjclark wrote:

everything is done with special purpose hardware implemented in an FPGA.
binary007
When can we expect demos that show the sound "quality" of the module instead of a few short oddball snippets? I am hesitant to move on this w/o hearing audio examples first.

Thanks
binary007
razz
Ras Thavas
binary007 wrote:
Why? 600+ bones for a DELAY and no loop or buffer elements.
Does not make sense.


We've been over this a few pages back, this was the answer from jjclark;

I am not sure what your complaint is here. The freeze buffer Length IS controllable! You can use the 1v/Oct input to set this and enables tuned freezes. The range of the freeze buffer size is from .1msec to 20 seconds. That's pretty short to very long. The demo I posted to my soundcloud page demonstrates changing the freeze time (for that stereotyped MaxHeadroom sound).

So, yes, you can loop, control buffer size, etc...
Sinamsis
binary007
For someone who isn't interested in this module you're posting here quite a bit. It's a pretty full featured module all things considered. Obviously they're not going to win everyone over. If you're not happy with the feature set or price no ones got a gun to your head. I'm surprised you haven't started bitching about the size too. If you're going to heckle at least try to condense it to one or two posts so there's at least a little less bs to sift through for those individuals who are generally interested. And I can't say I'm too fond of when folks try to call out manufacturers for their pricing. In sure a lot of hard work has gone into this.
jjclark
binary007 wrote:
When can we expect demos that show the sound "quality" of the module instead of a few short oddball snippets? I am hesitant to move on this w/o hearing audio examples first.

Thanks


There are a bunch of long tracks on my soundcloud page done with the Rainmaker.

Cylonix Soundcloud
0netwo0netwo
i got a fun to your head! applause
Sinamsis
Fixed. Thanks. That's what happens when I post from my phone.
dhoinjo
Quote:
From what I hear from Danjel, shipping is imminent, barring last minute or last second hiccups.


yesss! stoked!
0netwo0netwo
who are you quoting?
poppinger
0netwo0netwo wrote:
who are you quoting?


jjclark from the previous page of this very thread.
0netwo0netwo
hyper
exper
Go get 'me guys, Control Voltage has them in stock!

http://controlvoltage.net/intellijel-rainmaker/dp/2463
Sinamsis
How did this come to fruition before the 4MS DLD? I've been watching both. Now my bank account is royally F'd.
ibzieg
Just came home from Control Voltage and installed my Rainmaker... the manual still isn't posted yet so i'll just play it by ear love
L.C.O.
ibzieg wrote:
Just came home from Control Voltage and installed my Rainmaker... the manual still isn't posted yet so i'll just play it by ear love


Ok people: we have a First Responder here!

Bring it on, man!

Let it rain!

nanners
Upright
ibzieg wrote:
Just came home from Control Voltage and installed my Rainmaker... the manual still isn't posted yet so i'll just play it by ear love



Wow can we get a little audio demo please? grin
0netwo0netwo
mines on its way, weekend weather report, persistent rain showers
Upright
0netwo0netwo wrote:
mines on its way, weekend weather report, persistent rain showers



I preordered as well...I'm hoping Perfect Circuit will get there shipment tomorrow. If so I'll have mine by Monday. grin
Daisuk
Would love to hear melodic content through the various presets. If anyone can provide a demo of that, I'd be mighty greatful! smile loved the demo of the Rainmaker at NAMM, where the Atlantis melody went through. Haven't been too stoked on the other demos, so would love to hear some more melodic stuff. smile
Funky40
ibzieg wrote:
......... the manual still isn't posted yet so i'll just play it by ear love

this is NOT allowed !


i´ve not yet heard any rhytmic Demo a la TC D-Two just with added pitchshifting to the taps,
would like to hear some.


and it would be interesting to know how good the 16 preset rhytms has been chosen.
me also, i see there a major drawback, ......eventually.
deltaphoenix
exper wrote:
Go get 'me guys, Control Voltage has them in stock!

http://controlvoltage.net/intellijel-rainmaker/dp/2463


Already sold out....
Upright
Daisuk wrote:
Would love to hear melodic content through the various presets. If anyone can provide a demo of that, I'd be mighty greatful! smile loved the demo of the Rainmaker at NAMM, where the Atlantis melody went through. Haven't been too stoked on the other demos, so would love to hear some more melodic stuff. smile





Same here....more melodic demos would be nice. We've heard some of what it can do at the extreme side of the spectrum.... I want to hear the more tame side of Rainmaker
exper
deltaphoenix wrote:
exper wrote:
Go get 'me guys, Control Voltage has them in stock!

http://controlvoltage.net/intellijel-rainmaker/dp/2463


Already sold out....


Bummer. Looks like you can preorder at perfect circuit. And Control has it as coming soon, but no preorder yet.
jjclark
Upright wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Would love to hear melodic content through the various presets. If anyone can provide a demo of that, I'd be mighty greatful! smile loved the demo of the Rainmaker at NAMM, where the Atlantis melody went through. Haven't been too stoked on the other demos, so would love to hear some more melodic stuff. smile


Same here....more melodic demos would be nice. We've heard some of what it can do at the extreme side of the spectrum.... I want to hear the more tame side of Rainmaker


As I mentioned before on this thread you can check out the Cylonix soundcloud for some melodic tracks.

But for those who want something very simple here is a basic two-tap delay snippet:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-simple-twotap-delay[/s]
Upright
Thanks JJ.

I imagine the manual will be up any day now that RM is shipping. :-)
ibzieg
Without having the manual, I was surprised at how intuitive the UI is given the complexity. SO much fun.. I was able to get into programming it in my first sitting (disclosure: i'm also a software engineer but I generally dislike menu diving on music equipment)
Daisuk
jjclark wrote:
Upright wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Would love to hear melodic content through the various presets. If anyone can provide a demo of that, I'd be mighty greatful! smile loved the demo of the Rainmaker at NAMM, where the Atlantis melody went through. Haven't been too stoked on the other demos, so would love to hear some more melodic stuff. smile


Same here....more melodic demos would be nice. We've heard some of what it can do at the extreme side of the spectrum.... I want to hear the more tame side of Rainmaker


As I mentioned before on this thread you can check out the Cylonix soundcloud for some melodic tracks.

But for those who want something very simple here is a basic two-tap delay snippet:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/cylonix/rainmaker-simple-twotap-delay[/s]


Oh, I have indeed listened to those demos, but thanks for re-iterating. smile

The Cylonix demos are very industrial and/or harsh-sounding, in my opinion, which is not how I intend to use it, which is why I'm looking for "rounder" melodic material (in lack of better words) through it (as shown in the few NAMM videos of Rainmaker, with the simple sine melody - loved those).

Not that I'm demanding a demo like that, of course, but if someone would be willing to record a few snippets of "rounder" material through the various presets, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting it sooner rather than later though, so will find out eventually, of course, but just eager to hear it! hihi
Upright
Daisuk wrote:

The Cylonix demos are very industrial and/or harsh-sounding, in my opinion, which is not how I intend to use it, which is why I'm looking for "rounder" melodic material (in lack of better words) through it (as shown in the few NAMM videos of Rainmaker, with the simple sine melody - loved those).

Not that I'm demanding a demo like that, of course, but if someone would be willing to record a few snippets of "rounder" material through the various presets, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting it sooner rather than later though, so will find out eventually, of course, but just eager to hear it! hihi



I couldn't have put it better myself. I definitely want to hear the softer, warmer side of Rainmaker.
Upright
Looks like Richard Devine just posted something...very nice I might add.


https://instagram.com/p/BFCW92VjQsR/
evileye0702
Upright wrote:
Daisuk wrote:

The Cylonix demos are very industrial and/or harsh-sounding, in my opinion, which is not how I intend to use it, which is why I'm looking for "rounder" melodic material (in lack of better words) through it (as shown in the few NAMM videos of Rainmaker, with the simple sine melody - loved those).

Not that I'm demanding a demo like that, of course, but if someone would be willing to record a few snippets of "rounder" material through the various presets, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting it sooner rather than later though, so will find out eventually, of course, but just eager to hear it! hihi



I couldn't have put it better myself. I definitely want to hear the softer, warmer side of Rainmaker.


I will definitely be using my Rainmaker to explore things on the softer, subtler side. I placed a preorder with Detroit Modular months ago so I'm pretty sure I'll have one in my hands before too long. I'll do my best to post some clips once I do.

I have to admit I think it will be hard for me to work with this without a manual. I get bewildered just looking at the faceplate. However, I will figure it out one way or another.
L.C.O.
I am almost scared to ask this, but:

Does the Rainmaker remember the current "state" of its various controls and parameters on power down/up?
kisielk
L.C.O. wrote:
I am almost scared to ask this, but:

Does the Rainmaker remember the current "state" of its various controls and parameters on power down/up?


Only if you save them to a preset.
L.C.O.
kisielk wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I am almost scared to ask this, but:

Does the Rainmaker remember the current "state" of its various controls and parameters on power down/up?


Only if you save them to a preset.


And how do you tell it to start up from a specific preset?
kisielk
L.C.O. wrote:
kisielk wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
I am almost scared to ask this, but:

Does the Rainmaker remember the current "state" of its various controls and parameters on power down/up?


Only if you save them to a preset.


And how do you tell it to start up from a specific preset?


It will always start at preset 1
exper
This thing is amazing. I'm going down a rabbit hole this afternoon.
So well laid out, everything is easy to access.


Btw, never noticed until today but Big City music now carries Intellijel and they have a rainmaker preorder up as well. Might be worth a shot since CV sold out immediately and I'm sure Control will as well. we're not worthy Intellijel Om
0netwo0netwo
i think i still need the manual though

im trying to do a shootout between clouds rainmaker and echophon razz
Sinamsis
0netwo0netwo wrote:
i think i still need the manual though

im trying to do a shootout between clouds rainmaker and echophon razz



Ha oh boy. Not exactly a fair comparison. On many levels. The correct answer is get them all. But the Ecophon is much more limited in comparison to the other two. Still a cool module. And then between the Clouds and Rainmaker you're still getting a very different feature set, big difference in hp and price. But I'm guessing you're looking for a delayish thing with bells and whistles. For what it's worth I sold my Ecophon for a second Clouds, and I still plan on getting the Rainmaker. But I'll wait till firmware is solidified, so I don't have to deal with trying to update the firmware. Clouds on the other hand is very easily updated through audio if that makes a difference to you.
0netwo0netwo
well thats what i meant... lol. i have all three and one of ems gonna go and its not gonna be rainmaker thats for sure

i already like what I heard from just messin around withit a lil bit

i just wanna know more from reading the manual

c'mon mr clark, let us get a rough draft please

cool
Upright
Sinamsis wrote:
Clouds on the other hand is very easily updated through audio if that makes a difference to you.



How is Rainmaker updated?
kisielk
Upright wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
Clouds on the other hand is very easily updated through audio if that makes a difference to you.



How is Rainmaker updated?


There's two components:


  • display: has a USB port just under the panel, is updated via our Firmware Updater software. Pretty much effortless on Mac, needs a driver install on Windows.

  • FPGA (DSP): has a USB port, update procedure similar to the Shapeshifter via software provided by Altera. The newer version of the software is smaller and easier to install. However it still only runs on Windows and Linux. Mac users have to either use a PC or install Parallels or VirtualBox or Bootcamp and use Windows to update it. Unfortunately their update protocol is proprietary so there's not much we can do other than use their software.
Sinamsis
It's a little unfortunate but it really has held me back from keeping other modules/buying this one. I probably will take the plunge anyways. But if I can avoid the hassle of trying to do the firmware upgrade, I'd like to.
Upright
I'm using Windows so doesn't seem like a big issue. If I'm understanding you correctly there are two components that need to be updated and both can be done via USB on Windows. Cool.
kisielk
A preliminary version of the manual is now up on the website:

https://intellijel.com/all-manuals/cylonix-rainmaker/
euxine
cool cool
Krater
applause great! just in time, link is working here. and wow - there is quite a bit to read now!
exper
kisielk wrote:
A preliminary version of the manual is now up on the website:

https://intellijel.com/all-manuals/cylonix-rainmaker/


Guinness ftw!

Awesome. I literally just sat down this afternoon with a beer to work through using the Rainmaker. Having the manual now will be great.
exper
Here's a suite of preset demos, mostly focused on mellow, ambient sounds, basic sequence loops from a metropolis and shapeshifter for the most part. No musical intention, just plowing through some of the presets.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/exper/rainmaker-demos[/s]

I have to say, I love this for the deep sounds that are possible, but I really love that it sits nicely as a multi delay/faux reverb effect.
thisisprisma
exper wrote:
Here's a suite of preset demos, mostly focused on mellow, ambient sounds, basic sequence loops from a metropolis and shapeshifter for the most part. No musical intention, just plowing through some of the presets.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/exper/rainmaker-demos[/s]

I have to say, I love this for the deep sounds that are possible, but I really love that it sits nicely as a multi delay/faux reverb effect.


thanks for posting! sounds amazing!
realshafer
Thanks for the preset demo exper! Sounds really cool!
Funky40
exper wrote:
Here's a suite of preset demos,.

Ahhhh, .......omg, Dead Banana
you just- sooo muuuuch - nailed it !
thank you very much thumbs up



now my wait time won´t be any easier........wink
Dead Banana


we're not worthy
Upright
Awesome demo exper...exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks man
greenanother
@exper

nice demo-thanks for posting. just an observation about most of the rainmaker demos/tracks: it seems like the fx completely overtake/absorb/cover, etc. the original source material, thereby creating an entirely new sound source in and of itself (fx fully wet I suppose?). it sounds very creative and interesting, but I haven't yet decided if it's a good thing (i.e. changing some timbres to bell sounds/karplus strong, etc.) or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design, and moves towards more of a preset-centric paradigm (if that makes sense).
Sinamsis
greenanother wrote:
@exper

nice demo-thanks for posting. just an observation about most of the rainmaker demos/tracks: it seems like the fx completely overtake/absorb/cover, etc. the original source material, thereby creating an entirely new sound source in and of itself (fx fully wet I suppose?). it sounds very creative and interesting, but I haven't yet decided if it's a good thing (i.e. changing some timbres to bell sounds/karplus strong, etc.) or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design, and moves towards more of a preset-centric paradigm (if that makes sense).


Well there are two totally separate sections. I don't think the delay drastically changes the sound of the original signal. I think you're noticing the effect of the comb filter. Now, you obviously don't have to use the presets, so I think this has nothing to do with limiting sound design possibilities. But maybe what you're getting at is that you're concerned the comb filter will make everything that goes through it sound the same? Honestly, that was my main complaint with the 4MS SMR (it was probably my shitty programming skills, not the module honestly). But I think the Rainmaker is capable of a wide variety of sounds. I don't think it will be too specific or niche.
Daisuk
Thanks a lot for the demo, exper! applause
Still no stores with this in stock, but I guess it should arrive this week!
Funky40
greenanother wrote:
........ or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design,

i don´t get that point.

FX can be sooo muuuch part of the sounddesign. wink
the "detraction" that can happen is that one begins to focus more towards "processing the soundsource" rather than just focusing on the soundsource itself.
Happens to me. wink ............ongoing process.
good FX is a Godsend


hyper nanners hyper
exper
Funky40 wrote:
greenanother wrote:
........ or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design,

i don´t get that point.

FX can be sooo muuuch part of the sounddesign. wink
the "detraction" that can happen is that one begins to focus more towards "processing the soundsource" rather than just focusing on the soundsource itself.
Happens to me. wink ............ongoing process.
good FX is a Godsend


hyper nanners hyper


And honestly, I just made those demos to show the rainmaker's sound. I definitely made the send and return high. You can absolutely dial it back and have it sit in the mix.

That said, the Rainmaker I consider part of a newer style of module that is a simultaneous sound source and processor. See also Rings and perhaps 4ms SMR. There are definitely lines blurred in that these modules can impart their own harmonic content onto sound, as well as be able to be triggered with no audio input source at all.

Once I get through the manual (not necessary to just go off and have fun with it, but I'm a stickler for thoroughly reading manuals) I will post some examples of it generating sound on its own and heavily processing source material into something different.
greenanother
exper wrote:


Once I get through the manual (not necessary to just go off and have fun with it, but I'm a stickler for thoroughly reading manuals) I will post some examples of it generating sound on its own and heavily processing source material into something different.


Thanks thumbs up
ibzieg
greenanother wrote:
@exper
it sounds very creative and interesting, but I haven't yet decided if it's a good thing (i.e. changing some timbres to bell sounds/karplus strong, etc.) or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design, and moves towards more of a preset-centric paradigm (if that makes sense).


You can use the Comb Filter as a sound source with no input at all, by setting the Trigger button to "ping input", and increasing the Comb Feedback to excite the comb delay line when the trigger/ping occurs. You can program a wide spectrum of Karplus-Strong sounds from here.. changing the number of delay stages, feedback filter type, comb shape, comb size, comb modulation wave, etc. There is just one Karplus-Strong preset loaded from the factory you can use as a starting point.

Also.. you can use the Left channel for Delay and the Right channel for Comb independently... then you have two separate modules - they even have their own clocks.
NU
NM. d'oh!
exper
NU wrote:
Um.. anyone know how to exit Meters+Gain once you're in there?


tap another button? I usually go back to the load page for now.
kisielk
I like to keep it on the meters for maximum visual stimulation smile
Daisuk
Escape From Noise has it listed as in stock! I just ordered. hihi
Funky40
Daisuk wrote:
Escape From Noise has it listed as in stock! I just ordered. hihi

that was an expensive post for me. very frustrating



had to do it just to get it two-three weeks earlier. have a preorder going elsewhere.
i was not aware how much i want to have this NOW. oops oops

swiss: much likely will i sell one in 3-4 months wink
mdoudoroff
Control has it in stock. For the moment.
greenanother
exper wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
greenanother wrote:
........ or rather detracts from the overall experience of sound design,

i don´t get that point.

FX can be sooo muuuch part of the sounddesign. wink
the "detraction" that can happen is that one begins to focus more towards "processing the soundsource" rather than just focusing on the soundsource itself.
Happens to me. wink ............ongoing process.
good FX is a Godsend


hyper nanners hyper


And honestly, I just made those demos to show the rainmaker's sound. I definitely made the send and return high. You can absolutely dial it back and have it sit in the mix.

That said, the Rainmaker I consider part of a newer style of module that is a simultaneous sound source and processor. See also Rings and perhaps 4ms SMR. There are definitely lines blurred in that these modules can impart their own harmonic content onto sound, as well as be able to be triggered with no audio input source at all.

Once I get through the manual (not necessary to just go off and have fun with it, but I'm a stickler for thoroughly reading manuals) I will post some examples of it generating sound on its own and heavily processing source material into something different.


I have a confession to make...The real reason I was somewhat critical of what Rainmaker could/couldn't do was because (on a whim) I decided to preorder Just Friends and buy a Three Sisters INSTEAD of my original plan to buy Rainmaker (and wanted to justify that decision to myself).

As it turns out I just purchased a Rainmaker from Control a minute ago AND I don't even have room in my case for it! I'm so weak...please forgive me everyone This is fun! This is fun! MY ASS IS BLEEDING sad banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
iirussell
exper wrote:
Here's a suite of preset demos, mostly focused on mellow, ambient sounds, basic sequence loops from a metropolis and shapeshifter for the most part. No musical intention, just plowing through some of the presets.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/exper/rainmaker-demos[/s]

I have to say, I love this for the deep sounds that are possible, but I really love that it sits nicely as a multi delay/faux reverb effect.
/

Great demo. Time to start saving....
L.C.O.
kisielk wrote:
I like to keep it on the meters for maximum visual stimulation smile


for this very reason
i wish it defaulted to that view on startup, instead of tap screen...
duck1887
greenanother wrote:
I'm so weak...please forgive me everyone This is fun! This is fun! MY ASS IS BLEEDING sad banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana

No problem, we can relate [there but for the grace of God go we all ... or in other words, as you so rightly put it: This is fun! This is fun! MY ASS IS BLEEDING sad banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana]
greenanother
duck1887 wrote:
greenanother wrote:
I'm so weak...please forgive me everyone This is fun! This is fun! MY ASS IS BLEEDING sad banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana

No problem, we can relate [there but for the grace of God go we all ... or in other words, as you so rightly put it: This is fun! This is fun! MY ASS IS BLEEDING sad banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana]


Guinness ftw! ...but seriously, I'm hoping this thread will begin to fill up with amazing demos/tracks over the next couple of weeks like the Rings thread has. w00t
matttech
Some light drizzle just started over my store whistlin'
Patate le mage
Modular square ( France ) has it in stock Rockin' Banana! minus one Mr. Green

I say adios to my echophon after years and years of loyalty and good services. cry
Upright
Its crazy...everyone seems to be getting it in stock except the place where I preordered lol
exper
Upright wrote:
Its crazy...everyone seems to be getting it in stock except the place where I preordered lol


Cancel the preorder! Control has it. smile
dmod
exper wrote:
Here's a suite of preset demos, mostly focused on mellow, ambient sounds, basic sequence loops from a metropolis and shapeshifter for the most part. No musical intention, just plowing through some of the presets.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/exper/rainmaker-demos[/s]

I have to say, I love this for the deep sounds that are possible, but I really love that it sits nicely as a multi delay/faux reverb effect.
Thanks for the cool demos as usual exper! Just the bump I needed to drop my hard earned money! hihi Guinness ftw! This thing reminds me of Eventide but in eurorack. Love it!
Upright
exper wrote:
Upright wrote:
Its crazy...everyone seems to be getting it in stock except the place where I preordered lol


Cancel the preorder! Control has it. smile



Oh I would have done that long ago if I had not gotten 10% off...that $64 in savings is the only thing keeping me from cancelling my preorder.
evileye0702
Upright wrote:
Its crazy...everyone seems to be getting it in stock except the place where I preordered lol


I'm in the same boat. Takes a bit of patience. Detroit Modular just got theirs in stock today as they are a bit farther from Vancouver. I'm hoping to see that shipment notice soon instead of bothering them again.
evileye0702
Patate le mage wrote:
Modular square ( France ) has it in stock Rockin' Banana! minus one Mr. Green

I say adios to my echophon after years and years of loyalty and good services. cry


Not sure I'm ready to dump the Echophon just yet. But if Rainmaker really impresses I'd be happy to get those HP back.
Bruce2008
evileye0702 wrote:
Upright wrote:
Its crazy...everyone seems to be getting it in stock except the place where I preordered lol


I'm in the same boat. Takes a bit of patience. Detroit Modular just got theirs in stock today as they are a bit farther from Vancouver. I'm hoping to see that shipment notice soon instead of bothering them again.



Same boat here, Analoguezone say 8/12 days and they hope arrive....

Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
Upright
Well at least I'm not alone. Lol
Funky40
........where^s the next Demos ?
sad banana


wink


my unit has been shipped , and my new skiff (DIY) for on top of the piano is in work too.
It's peanut butter jelly time!
exper
Funky40 wrote:
........where^s the next Demos ?
sad banana


wink


my unit has been shipped , and my new skiff (DIY) for on top of the piano is in work too.
It's peanut butter jelly time!


My demos are a little on hiatus right now. My wife was in a car accident a week ago and we found out that she's suffering from a pretty bad concussion. So my time is spent in nurse mode for now. smile

Hopefully some others can throw some up. smile
Funky40
exper wrote:

Hopefully some others can throw some up. smile

absolutely !

i was not pointing to you wink hope that came not that way over.
but your demos are mostoften if not allways outstanding wink
...hope you are a as good nurse for here as you are for us with your demos wink
greenanother
@exper geez, sorry to hear that. here's to a speedy recovery...

@everyone I just received my Rainmaker, and it's a game-changer! I'll try to post a demo or track in a few days.

@jjclark you really outdid yourself here; congratulations!

questions: I noticed that a few presets are empty right out of the box (# 71-78 I think). Will we eventually get to download a copy of the original presets so I can see what was missing? I'm also not seeing 128 user slots (was that eliminated from the final product?). all minor stuff; just curious

again, awesome though Guinness ftw!
kisielk
greenanother wrote:
@exper geez, sorry to hear that. here's to a speedy recovery...

@everyone I just received my Rainmaker, and it's a game-changer! I'll try to post a demo or track in a few days.

@jjclark you really outdid yourself here; congratulations!

questions: I noticed that a few presets are empty right out of the box (# 71-78 I think). Will we eventually get to download a copy of the original presets so I can see what was missing? I'm also not seeing 128 user slots (was that eliminated from the final product?). all minor stuff; just curious

again, awesome though Guinness ftw!


jjclark originally developed 64 presets we were using in earlier units and in our NAMM demos. Danjel added a few more before we shipped, and then 79+ were done by Richard Devine. We may make a few more available for download to fill the remaining slots.

We decided to eliminate the distinction between factory and user presets and just have one pool of 128 presets. Originally the factory presets were hard-coded in to the FPGA, but we ended up using the space for additional features like ping-pong mode and a few other things.
greenanother
@kisielk thanks for the quick response! glad that the space is normal and that I'm not missing anything thumbs up
scottmoon
exper wrote:
My demos are a little on hiatus right now. My wife was in a car accident a week ago and we found out that she's suffering from a pretty bad concussion. So my time is spent in nurse mode for now. smile


So sorry. Hope your wife has a speedy recovery.
Chartreuse-J
Can anyone say how this compares to the Mungo d0, Roland Demora or the Delay on the Disting MK2?

I have all the above FYI, just comparing here...
Mefistophelees
matttech wrote:
Some light drizzle just started over my store whistlin'



I checked and they'd already gone.
I remember it used to take a few days for modules to sell out. Not any more!
exper
Funky, green and Scott,

Thanks for the well wishes. It been a little baffling, because symptoms were delayed somehow. She suddenly started getting blurry vision, loss of balance and lots of pain pressure. A catscan ruled out bleeding fortunately, so it just down to 'brain rest'. No lights, media, tablets/phone/laptop, etc.

Anyway, nothing I can do but keep her rested for a couple of weeks until a follow up appt with the neurologist. Scary stuff. I had a concussion once and I was fine with a day or so, and that was with being knocked out. (Skateboard days, handrail, steps, lights out. Dead Banana )
jjclark
kisielk wrote:
greenanother wrote:
@exper geez, sorry to hear that. here's to a speedy recovery...

@everyone I just received my Rainmaker, and it's a game-changer! I'll try to post a demo or track in a few days.

@jjclark you really outdid yourself here; congratulations!

questions: I noticed that a few presets are empty right out of the box (# 71-78 I think). Will we eventually get to download a copy of the original presets so I can see what was missing? I'm also not seeing 128 user slots (was that eliminated from the final product?). all minor stuff; just curious

again, awesome though Guinness ftw!


jjclark originally developed 64 presets we were using in earlier units and in our NAMM demos. Danjel added a few more before we shipped, and then 79+ were done by Richard Devine. We may make a few more available for download to fill the remaining slots.

We decided to eliminate the distinction between factory and user presets and just have one pool of 128 presets. Originally the factory presets were hard-coded in to the FPGA, but we ended up using the space for additional features like ping-pong mode and a few other things.


You will want to make your own presets, since the ones there just scratch the surface. So, the empty ones can be filled with your own. You can overwrite any of the others if you want (I made a couple of rather pedestrian presets that you can overwrite with losing too much sleep, but leave the ones Richard made!).
I am hoping that people will make preset collections that can be shared, since the preset memory can be read/written over usb midi.
thetwlo
is there a way to order one without Richard Devine's presets included?
kisielk
Not really. But you can always just overwrite them if you don't need them...
thetwlo
kisielk wrote:
Not really. But you can always just overwrite them if you don't need them...


but guessing that's part of the cost?
Daisuk
thetwlo wrote:
kisielk wrote:
Not really. But you can always just overwrite them if you don't need them...


but guessing that's part of the cost?


It was listed as 640 dollars before they decided to include more presets and get devine involved, as far as I know, so I wouldn't worry about that.
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:


jjclark originally developed 64 presets we were using in earlier units and in our NAMM demos. Danjel added a few more before we shipped, and then 79+ were done by Richard Devine. We may make a few more available for download to fill the remaining slots.

We decided to eliminate the distinction between factory and user presets and just have one pool of 128 presets. Originally the factory presets were hard-coded in to the FPGA, but we ended up using the space for additional features like ping-pong mode and a few other things.



Ah, that makes sense. Yesterday I thought I was only saving temporarily to preset 1, so I messed up the first preset. So for everyone just getting their Rainmaker, it will be a good idea to backup the presets, before start messing with them. But if Intellijel is going to make them available for download, that will be great.
Not sure if this would be too much to ask, but would it be possible to have a copy of the presets with their settings, if you have a copy? Like Strymon did with the presets for the Timeline... Of course, I understand a Rainmaker preset can have a lot more of settings than a Timeline preset, so it can be a lot of work, if you don't already have them in a document.

Edited: I meant presets, no templates.
suthnear
Chartreuse-J wrote:
Can anyone say how this compares to the Mungo d0, Roland Demora or the Delay on the Disting MK2?

I have all the above FYI, just comparing here...


The rainmaker is a far more complex device than any of these. All of the delays you have listed have one or two taps, whereas rainmaker has 16. If you are unclear what a tap is, think about it as the point at which the delay signal returns. E.g. a single tap delay set at 250ms will delay the signal going into it for 250ms. If you have no feedback, that's all you will hear, a single repeat of the signal that you put into the delay. If you have feedback then the delayed signal will be repeated at intervals of 250ms (how many will depend on how much the signal is fed back into the delay). With a single tap everything the delay emits will be based on that single 250ms setting. Since the rainmaker has 16 of these, you can set (up to) 16 different delay times. It should therefore be clear that this allows you to set up very complex delay pattens.

Also, each tap has its own filter and pitch shifter so the signal returning at that point can be rather dramatically changed in tonality. And much more besides.
exper
suthnear wrote:
Chartreuse-J wrote:
Can anyone say how this compares to the Mungo d0, Roland Demora or the Delay on the Disting MK2?

I have all the above FYI, just comparing here...


The rainmaker is a far more complex device than any of these. All of the delays you have listed have one or two taps, whereas rainmaker has 16. If you are unclear what a tap is, think about it as the point at which the delay signal returns. E.g. a single tap delay set at 250ms will delay the signal going into it for 250ms. If you have no feedback, that's all you will hear, a single repeat of the signal that you put into the delay. If you have feedback then the delayed signal will be repeated at intervals of 250ms (how many will depend on how much the signal is fed back into the delay). With a single tap everything the delay emits will be based on that single 250ms setting. Since the rainmaker has 16 of these, you can set (up to) 16 different delay times. It should therefore be clear that this allows you to set up very complex delay pattens.

Also, each tap has its own filter and pitch shifter so the signal returning at that point can be rather dramatically changed in tonality. And much more besides.


Never tried the mungo, had the demora and quickly sold it, have a Disting 3 but haven't touched the delay TBH. I know the Disting delays are a little more Lofi as their sampling rate is low in that mode. The rainmaker is pristine though and has a nonexistent noisefioor, which even the excellent modcan had.

Aside from everything suthnear has said, the second part of the module, the 64 tap resonator allows even more creative sounds, everything from Karplus strong strings, faux reverbs, strange blurred sounds, comb filter effects, etc.
Daisuk
Yeah, fuck me, 16 taps, each with individual filter cutoff and resonance AND pitch shift - and that's just the delay section. Definitely nothing else like it in euro at the moment, so would be like comparing apples to hover cars, in a way.

The Fed-Ex van is soooo slow today. Get in, for fuck's sake. lol hyper
evileye0702
Rain is headed my way from the Detroit area. Detroit Modular has more in stock if any is looking.

I'll try to throw up some demo sounds but it might not be until after Moogfest depending on when the unit arrives. I'll have it in my hands Monday.
dmod
Daisuk wrote:
Yeah, fuck me, 16 taps, each with individual filter cutoff and resonance AND pitch shift - and that's just the delay section. Definitely nothing else like it in euro at the moment, so would be like comparing apples to hover cars, in a way.

The Fed-Ex van is soooo slow today. Get in, for fuck's sake. lol hyper
Like I said earlier, this is basically Eventide territory in eurorack. That is madness if you think about it! Dead Banana You could spend a year and probably still get different sounds with this beast! Very excited. hyper Guinness ftw!
greenanother
jjclark wrote:


You will want to make your own presets, since the ones there just scratch the surface. So, the empty ones can be filled with your own. You can overwrite any of the others if you want (I made a couple of rather pedestrian presets that you can overwrite with losing too much sleep, but leave the ones Richard made!).
I am hoping that people will make preset collections that can be shared, since the preset memory can be read/written over usb midi.


Yes, of course! I immediately started making my own presets (albeit with a bit of help from the randomize function). Once I read through the manual a few times, I plan on giving each tap some individual attention. tap, tap! poke
Daisuk
Holy fuckballs, this thing sounds amazing! I'm completely honeymooned at the moment, of course, but this thing sounds fucking lovely.

It clips quite easily though, so watch those incoming levels - and make sure you set both the L and R attenuators to the same level if you send it a mono signal. It would be nice if the mono signal sent into channel L would be normalled to R though, for instance.

Back to the madness ... hyper
exper
Daisuk wrote:
Holy fuckballs, this thing sounds amazing! I'm completely honeymooned at the moment, of course, but this thing sounds fucking lovely.

It clips quite easily though, so watch those incoming levels - and make sure you set both the L and R attenuators to the same level if you send it a mono signal. It would be nice if the mono signal sent into channel L would be normalled to R though, for instance.

Back to the madness ... hyper


The bonus of how it's set up though, is that lower levels on 1 channel creates extra stereo/panning effects depending on the patch. I need to try throwing the mono source sound through something to pan left and right, such as my Planar. we're not worthy
Daisuk
exper wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Holy fuckballs, this thing sounds amazing! I'm completely honeymooned at the moment, of course, but this thing sounds fucking lovely.

It clips quite easily though, so watch those incoming levels - and make sure you set both the L and R attenuators to the same level if you send it a mono signal. It would be nice if the mono signal sent into channel L would be normalled to R though, for instance.

Back to the madness ... hyper


The bonus of how it's set up though, is that lower levels on 1 channel creates extra stereo/panning effects depending on the patch. I need to try throwing the mono source sound through something to pan left and right, such as my Planar. we're not worthy


Ooh, interesting. I've just barely scratched the surface here, obviously. Such an enormous amount of sounds it's just ridiculous.

I made a short demo where a very simple sine (from a Dixie 2) melody goes into it, then I just skip between various presets 100% wet, and wiggle absolutely no knobs (just want to highlight how different it can sound with very little modulation and knob tweakage). Soooo many different lovely sounding sounds in there it's just mad. Some of the textures this thing can create are just off the hook.

So it's completely dry the first few seconds, then 100% wet until the very end (where it's a bit dry again). The same sequence going through it the entire time, where the tempo is set to the same tempo as the melody (it will of course sound very differently with a different tempo setting);

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/rainmaker01[/s]


Modulating the incoming clock and the pitch shifting on the Ping Arp preset, haha, oh lord. Yep, Intellijel is definitely raising the bar with this one! No doubt. Damn.

Warpsmasher
evileye0702 wrote:
Rain is headed my way from the Detroit area


Tomorrow's forecast:
johnwynberg
johnwynberg wrote:

Not sure if this would be too much to ask, but would it be possible to have a copy of the presets with their settings, if you have a copy? Like Strymon did with the presets for the Timeline... Of course, I understand a Rainmaker preset can have a lot more of settings than a Timeline preset, so it can be a lot of work, if you don't already have them in a document.


Actually... nevermind. I assume it would be a lot of work to get all the info in one document, and it's more fun to play with each preset, anyway, guessing what's going on, and then find out, looking into each section. Some presets are more or less obvious, thanks to their title and/or description, but others scratch the balls of the wtf category. On the other hand, I usually don't care much about presets… I just see them as one way to start exploring the huge possibilities of this module.
Also, my request was based on a first impression, overwhelmed by all the possible parameters. Now, the more I play with the Rainmaker, the better I understand the manual, and things start making more sense. Hopefully one day I'll reach Rainmaker enlightenment, and I would understand exactly what's going on in each section and each parameter, per sound.

What are people using it with? Are you throwing everything at it, exploring all the possible combinations with what you have? I'm still undecided where I should put it, like more permanently, in my current system. For the moment, it has replaced the Black Locust and the Erve-Verb in one of my cases, and I'm using it mainly with the Shapeshifter, the ER-101 and Planar, but I want to keep the Erve-Verb in that case. However, the fact that it does not take stereo signals bothers me with the Rainmaker. Maybe I'll swap it with Clouds, from another case. Also, stereo modules to feed it?
jjclark
johnwynberg wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:

Not sure if this would be too much to ask, but would it be possible to have a copy of the presets with their settings, if you have a copy? Like Strymon did with the presets for the Timeline... Of course, I understand a Rainmaker preset can have a lot more of settings than a Timeline preset, so it can be a lot of work, if you don't already have them in a document.


Actually... nevermind. I assume it would be a lot of work to get all the info in one document, and it's more fun to play with each preset, anyway, guessing what's going on, and then find out, looking into each section. Some presets are more or less obvious, thanks to their title and/or description, but others scratch the balls of the wtf category. On the other hand, I usually don't care much about presets… I just see them as one way to start exploring the huge possibilities of this module.
Also, my request was based on a first impression, overwhelmed by all the possible parameters. Now, the more I play with the Rainmaker, the better I understand the manual, and things start making more sense. Hopefully one day I'll reach Rainmaker enlightenment, and I would understand exactly what's going on in each section and each parameter, per sound.


Yes, this would be a lot of work! And maybe too much information to be helpful. There are 175 different parameters stored in a preset, and multiplied by 128 presets gives over 20,000 values that would have to be tabulated!



I find the quickest way (for me) to visualize what a patch is doing is to look at things in the following order (this is the process I used to figure out what the heck Richard Devine's presets were doing):

1 - look at the FX ON led for the Delay and Comb to see which are turned on. If only one of them is turned on then you just look at the parameters for that one.

2 - if the delay is on, first look at the TAP EDIT parameters, starting with the LEVEL. That gives you an idea about how many taps are being used. This information is also in the TAP LEDS, which will be lit up if the level is greater than zero.

3 - Next, look at the FILTER TYPE. If the filter types are all off, then there is no point in looking at the CUT and Q.

4 - then look at the pitch shift. Usually I don't bother looking at the mutes or Pan.

5 - If the comb is active, look at the TAPS+FB to see how many taps are being used, and the PATT+SLOPE to see how the taps are spread out.

6 - Then I jump to look at the TRIGGER function. In many of Richard's presets this is set to RANDOMIZE (i.e. Devine mode). In that case I look at what is being Randomized (press the RAND. button to see that). In many other cases it is set to Ping Input or Shaped Input if one is doing karplus-strong, for example.

7 - Then look at the MOD A/B destinations. This is important, because some mod destinations actually take over the parameter settings, and you might think something is broken when actually it is just being controlled by the MOD.

With that you can get a good idea of what is going on, and look at the other parameters as needed.
Daisuk
I'm generally not one for presets either, but I think the presets on the Rainmaker does an absolute fantastic job of showcasing what the module can do. It's just insane. I can't for the life of me think of a module in euro that has a bigger scope of possible sounds than this - I'm coaxing all kinds of glorious things just modifying presets at the moment. Feeding it everything from drum beats to chord stabs from a Shapeshifter, simple melodies from various oscillators and filtered noise.

I honestly think a valid problem with this could be "oh, damn, that sounds great, what if I just turn this knob, oh damn, that's even better ..." etc. I'm just gobsmacked of the sounds this thing is producing. Honeymoon and all that, I know, but fuck me. we're not worthy eek! zombie I'm getting soooo many lovely tones out of this thing, it keeps giving me goosebumps.

jjclark and Intellijel - fantastic work! I did not know how much I missed a Rainmaker in my life. lol
exper
I could use a tutorial for basic reverb like effects from the resonator section. I know they are there in the presets but I'd like to know the best settings.
milkyjoe
Have not pulled the trigger yet.
The hype is out, but i cautiously wonder how long it will last...Love to hear more demos!

Especially simple patches with the rainmaker beat mangling & vocal mangling please .

Lets hear all what this mofo can do !
johnwynberg
jjclark wrote:
Yes, this would be a lot of work! And maybe too much information to be helpful. There are 175 different parameters stored in a preset, and multiplied by 128 presets gives over 20,000 values that would have to be tabulated!

I find the quickest way (for me) to visualize what a patch is doing is to look at things in the following order (this is the process I used to figure out what the heck Richard Devine's presets were doing):

1 - look at the FX ON led for the Delay and Comb to see which are turned on. If only one of them is turned on then you just look at the parameters for that one.

2 - if the delay is on, first look at the TAP EDIT parameters, starting with the LEVEL. That gives you an idea about how many taps are being used. This information is also in the TAP LEDS, which will be lit up if the level is greater than zero.

3 - Next, look at the FILTER TYPE. If the filter types are all off, then there is no point in looking at the CUT and Q.

4 - then look at the pitch shift. Usually I don't bother looking at the mutes or Pan.

5 - If the comb is active, look at the TAPS+FB to see how many taps are being used, and the PATT+SLOPE to see how the taps are spread out.

6 - Then I jump to look at the TRIGGER function. In many of Richard's presets this is set to RANDOMIZE (i.e. Devine mode). In that case I look at what is being Randomized (press the RAND. button to see that). In many other cases it is set to Ping Input or Shaped Input if one is doing karplus-strong, for example.

7 - Then look at the MOD A/B destinations. This is important, because some mod destinations actually take over the parameter settings, and you might think something is broken when actually it is just being controlled by the MOD.

With that you can get a good idea of what is going on, and look at the other parameters as needed.


That's very helpful. Thanks. It makes a lot more sense than my 'system' of going around guessing what parameters are the ones having the most influence over the end sound.
intellijel
Daisuk wrote:
It would be nice if the mono signal sent into channel L would be normalled to R though, for instance.



A mono signal in L is normalled to the R jack but then you have to make sure both trimmers are set the same.

However if you go to the CONFIG menu you can choose whether the input is STEREO, MONO L+R or MONO L. The last one MONO L is your solution.

This one ignores the Right input jack and just uses the L input as the mono source and internally sends it to the L and R paths. In this way it does not matter if the two input attenuators match.
intellijel
Richard Devine was extremely generous in contributing a ton of very cool presets to the preset bank that ships with the module.

We will be posting more details on these presets on the Rainmaker webpage since there are some important notes about each one such as recommended mod sources and applications.

We will also post a video demo of how to import and export presets using the USB port and your MAC/PC so that you can backup your newly made ones and download the factory presets plus other new ones.

I think Richard has some updates to some of his presets as well and we plan to post some new ones too.

This past two weeks we have just been focused on getting these shipped out.

We are so excited to see what people do with them now that they are finally in the wild!
jjclark
exper wrote:
I could use a tutorial for basic reverb like effects from the resonator section. I know they are there in the presets but I'd like to know the best settings.


The "reverb" patches in the factory presets are not so great at being reverby. The patches I used in making the demos on soundcloud were decent reverbs, but I somehow lost them during getting the factory preset list made up. I will remake them, or something close.

To get the Rainmaker to do a decent reverb you need to use both the rhythm delay and the comb (in parallel, not in series). Use the delay, with 16 taps going, to do the early reflections (use the early reflections groove) and the comb for the late reflections using the rand late pattern, with 64 taps and a long comb size. Use a bit of random modulation on the comb, and some feedback. Don't use use any feedback for the delay. Use the delay tap filters to do a high cut on the later taps.
You could also switch it up and use the delay for the late reflections and the comb for the early. There the advantage is you can use the delay feedback tone control to adjust the late reflections decay.
Daisuk
intellijel wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
It would be nice if the mono signal sent into channel L would be normalled to R though, for instance.



A mono signal in L is normalled to the R jack but then you have to make sure both trimmers are set the same.

However if you go to the CONFIG menu you can choose whether the input is STEREO, MONO L+R or MONO L. The last one MONO L is your solution.

This one ignores the Right input jack and just uses the L input as the mono source and internally sends it to the L and R paths. In this way it does not matter if the two input attenuators match.


Ah, that's perfect. I should just read the manual and shut up, was just too busy enjoying the sounds. lol Thanks a lot though!

jjclark wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:

Not sure if this would be too much to ask, but would it be possible to have a copy of the presets with their settings, if you have a copy? Like Strymon did with the presets for the Timeline... Of course, I understand a Rainmaker preset can have a lot more of settings than a Timeline preset, so it can be a lot of work, if you don't already have them in a document.


Actually... nevermind. I assume it would be a lot of work to get all the info in one document, and it's more fun to play with each preset, anyway, guessing what's going on, and then find out, looking into each section. Some presets are more or less obvious, thanks to their title and/or description, but others scratch the balls of the wtf category. On the other hand, I usually don't care much about presets… I just see them as one way to start exploring the huge possibilities of this module.
Also, my request was based on a first impression, overwhelmed by all the possible parameters. Now, the more I play with the Rainmaker, the better I understand the manual, and things start making more sense. Hopefully one day I'll reach Rainmaker enlightenment, and I would understand exactly what's going on in each section and each parameter, per sound.


Yes, this would be a lot of work! And maybe too much information to be helpful. There are 175 different parameters stored in a preset, and multiplied by 128 presets gives over 20,000 values that would have to be tabulated!



I find the quickest way (for me) to visualize what a patch is doing is to look at things in the following order (this is the process I used to figure out what the heck Richard Devine's presets were doing):

1 - look at the FX ON led for the Delay and Comb to see which are turned on. If only one of them is turned on then you just look at the parameters for that one.

2 - if the delay is on, first look at the TAP EDIT parameters, starting with the LEVEL. That gives you an idea about how many taps are being used. This information is also in the TAP LEDS, which will be lit up if the level is greater than zero.

3 - Next, look at the FILTER TYPE. If the filter types are all off, then there is no point in looking at the CUT and Q.

4 - then look at the pitch shift. Usually I don't bother looking at the mutes or Pan.

5 - If the comb is active, look at the TAPS+FB to see how many taps are being used, and the PATT+SLOPE to see how the taps are spread out.

6 - Then I jump to look at the TRIGGER function. In many of Richard's presets this is set to RANDOMIZE (i.e. Devine mode). In that case I look at what is being Randomized (press the RAND. button to see that). In many other cases it is set to Ping Input or Shaped Input if one is doing karplus-strong, for example.

7 - Then look at the MOD A/B destinations. This is important, because some mod destinations actually take over the parameter settings, and you might think something is broken when actually it is just being controlled by the MOD.

With that you can get a good idea of what is going on, and look at the other parameters as needed.


This is very helpful - thanks a lot! A great starting point to begin to decipher some of the presets.
Funky40
intellijel wrote:


We will be posting more details on these presets on the Rainmaker webpage

please post there also the info JJ has given here somehwere on the last pages:
which preset # is from who:
- # early factory for NAMM
- # JJs overview
- # the presets from the pros like Richard



edited:
i would like to hear more about preset exchange and management in the computer:
for example, is there a possibility given to rearrange the presets in a computer and load as a whole bank?

this USB load function is working allready, right ? .......just that the how to do video is not yet there ?
kisielk
You can rearrange the presets on a computer if you are handy with a sysex / hex editor. Each preset is its own sysex message and the number is is in the 6th byte (you can see the format in the manual on page 28). Eventually it would be nice to have a librarian app of some kind to manage them... for development I just used some command-line tools I wrote.
SamUK
jjclark wrote:
Yes, this would be a lot of work! And maybe too much information to be helpful. There are 175 different parameters stored in a preset, and multiplied by 128 presets gives over 20,000 values that would have to be tabulated!


Shirley you could just write a python script (or similar) to spit the values out into a text file?
exper
SamUK
smile
happyham
applause
johnwynberg
intellijel wrote:
We will also post a video demo of how to import and export presets using the USB port and your MAC/PC so that you can backup your newly made ones and download the factory presets plus other new ones.


In the meantime, can you please recommend a Sysex editor/librarian that would work with the Rainmaker? I just tried C6, which I used often with my Elektron machines, and and SysEx Librarian. Both recognise the Rainmaker, but there does not seem to be a way to tell the Rainmaker to send anything.
kisielk
johnwynberg wrote:
intellijel wrote:
We will also post a video demo of how to import and export presets using the USB port and your MAC/PC so that you can backup your newly made ones and download the factory presets plus other new ones.


In the meantime, can you please recommend a Sysex editor/librarian that would work with the Rainmaker? I just tried C6, which I used often with my Elektron machines, and and SysEx Librarian. Both recognise the Rainmaker, but there does not seem to be a way to tell the Rainmaker to send anything.


SysEx librarian is what we use. If you connect the Rainmaker and push LOAD & SAVE at the same time, it will go in to USB MIDI mode. You need to connect a USB cable to the port on top of the display (yes, the module needs to be out of the rack for this...). Then you can push the little button on the display under the panel, approximately above the AUX A knob. That will trigger the preset dump of all the presets.

Alternatively you can send a MIDI note on channel 1, that will download the preset corresponding to the note number.
Daisuk
I have to say, going about making your own patches/presets on this thing is much easier than I expected - as in, the panel is very easy to navigate, so much props for that. An insane amount of parameters though, hah, it's amazing. Such a sound designing tool it's just ridiculous.

I think I've found a sort of bug though - when saving a preset, when you scroll through all the preset numbers, all the numbers are listed as empty, which could get confusing once you start to save a lot of your own presets and don't remember which preset numbers you've saved to presets too already.
jjclark
Daisuk wrote:

I think I've found a sort of bug though - when saving a preset, when you scroll through all the preset numbers, all the numbers are listed as empty, which could get confusing once you start to save a lot of your own presets and don't remember which preset numbers you've saved to presets too already.


It's not a bug, it is done this way on purpose. The SAVE display will always show the name of the last preset that was loaded. You must have loaded a preset with an empty name. This is to make it easy to load and modify a patch then save it under the same name (or similar name).

If you want to see the preset names before saving, you should press LOAD (but don't actually load anything) to scroll through the names, then press SAVE (and then the encoder to save the preset) when you reach the slot you want to use.
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:


SysEx librarian is what we use. If you connect the Rainmaker and push LOAD & SAVE at the same time, it will go in to USB MIDI mode. You need to connect a USB cable to the port on top of the display (yes, the module needs to be out of the rack for this...). Then you can push the little button on the display under the panel, approximately above the AUX A knob. That will trigger the preset dump of all the presets.


AUX A knob? Do you mean the MOD A? I tried that, didn't work. But 'under the panel'? Do you mean behind the panel? I can't see any buttons at the back.
Daisuk
jjclark wrote:
Daisuk wrote:

I think I've found a sort of bug though - when saving a preset, when you scroll through all the preset numbers, all the numbers are listed as empty, which could get confusing once you start to save a lot of your own presets and don't remember which preset numbers you've saved to presets too already.


It's not a bug, it is done this way on purpose. The SAVE display will always show the name of the last preset that was loaded. You must have loaded a preset with an empty name. This is to make it easy to load and modify a patch then save it under the same name (or similar name).

If you want to see the preset names before saving, you should press LOAD (but don't actually load anything) to scroll through the names, then press SAVE (and then the encoder to save the preset) when you reach the slot you want to use.


Got it, thanks! thumbs up
kisielk
johnwynberg wrote:
kisielk wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:


SysEx librarian is what we use. If you connect the Rainmaker and push LOAD & SAVE at the same time, it will go in to USB MIDI mode. You need to connect a USB cable to the port on top of the display (yes, the module needs to be out of the rack for this...). Then you can push the little button on the display under the panel, approximately above the AUX A knob. That will trigger the preset dump of all the presets.


AUX A knob? Do you mean the MOD A? I tried that, didn't work. But 'under the panel'? Do you mean behind the panel? I can't see any buttons at the back.


Yes, MOD A, behind the panel. It's on the opposite end of the display PCB from the USB port and it really is very small. You will see a little cutout on the edge of the display PCB.
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
kisielk wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:


SysEx librarian is what we use. If you connect the Rainmaker and push LOAD & SAVE at the same time, it will go in to USB MIDI mode. You need to connect a USB cable to the port on top of the display (yes, the module needs to be out of the rack for this...). Then you can push the little button on the display under the panel, approximately above the AUX A knob. That will trigger the preset dump of all the presets.


AUX A knob? Do you mean the MOD A? I tried that, didn't work. But 'under the panel'? Do you mean behind the panel? I can't see any buttons at the back.


Yes, MOD A, behind the panel. It's on the opposite end of the display PCB from the USB port and it really is very small. You will see a little cutout on the edge of the display PCB.


Found it. Yes, it's very small, but it works. Thanks!
Funky40
Thanks for the Demo daisuk
.........hell, can´t waitz for mine to show up

kisielk wrote:
You can rearrange the presets on a computer if you are handy with a sysex / hex editor.

No, not handy. Nothing for me then

kisielk wrote:
Eventually it would be nice to have a librarian app of some kind to manage them... .

If you can manage to make one:
YES, this would be VERY welcome !

I personally want to arrange the presets i need or my own ones in groups of 10, based on the "thematic" of the preset.
Thats the only way for me to remember on the fly where what is.

A app would help ALOTS for a initial cleanup and rearrangement and also for a final rearrangement of the presets.
Spiked Lunch
Does the rainmaker remember its current state between power off/on or does it always power on at preset 1 as I think I read in an earlier post?
kisielk
Spiked Lunch wrote:
Does the rainmaker remember its current state between power off/on or does it always power on at preset 1 as I think I read in an earlier post?


Always preset 1
Spiked Lunch
kisielk wrote:
Spiked Lunch wrote:
Does the rainmaker remember its current state between power off/on or does it always power on at preset 1 as I think I read in an earlier post?


Always preset 1


Would there be anyway that a future firmware could allow for the rainmaker to pick up where it left off from or at least the last saved/used preset?

Always reverting back to 1 would probably drive me around the bend.

Anyway, the module and feature set looks and sounds fantastic! Looking forward to hearing/seeing a few more demos but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking one up in the not too distant future :-)
kisielk
Spiked Lunch wrote:
kisielk wrote:
Spiked Lunch wrote:
Does the rainmaker remember its current state between power off/on or does it always power on at preset 1 as I think I read in an earlier post?


Always preset 1


Would there be anyway that a future firmware could allow for the rainmaker to pick up where it left off from or at least the last saved/used preset?

Always reverting back to 1 would probably drive me around the bend.

Anyway, the module and feature set looks and sounds fantastic! Looking forward to hearing/seeing a few more demos but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking one up in the not too distant future :-)


If it was possible or easy we would have done it. It's not really a big deal in practice. If you get something you like and want to keep, just save it.
Spiked Lunch
kisielk wrote:
Spiked Lunch wrote:
kisielk wrote:
Spiked Lunch wrote:
Does the rainmaker remember its current state between power off/on or does it always power on at preset 1 as I think I read in an earlier post?


Always preset 1


Would there be anyway that a future firmware could allow for the rainmaker to pick up where it left off from or at least the last saved/used preset?

Always reverting back to 1 would probably drive me around the bend.

Anyway, the module and feature set looks and sounds fantastic! Looking forward to hearing/seeing a few more demos but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking one up in the not too distant future :-)


If it was possible or easy we would have done it. It's not really a big deal in practice. If you get something you like and want to keep, just save it.


Fair enough. Thanks for your quick reply.

Looking forward to hearing more from this beast!!
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:


If it was possible or easy we would have done it. It's not really a big deal in practice. If you get something you like and want to keep, just save it.


I agree. It's not a big deal. I'm copying the current presets 1 to 11 to locations 70 to 80, to keep 1 to 10 as sketch pads, and always saving to preset 1 what I want to use when switching on (for now, like a default template).
Synthsense
With products like the Rainmaker and brands like Intellijel, Cwejman, Mungo, Tiptop, Rossum and many more, Eurorack is arriving to its peak maturity, nice times we are living, I remember when the only Eurorack options were Doepfer and Analogue Systems applause
ispeakhopelandic
curious if anyone is finding it useful to allowed a fully randomized patched to be generated and then tweaking as necessary?
brandonlogic
would love to hear some more recordings of this thing in action!
Synchronon
ispeakhopelandic wrote:
curious if anyone is finding it useful to allowed a fully randomized patched to be generated and then tweaking as necessary?


I got mine yesterday and just had about an hour to take a first look at it. After checking the first presets (which are great btw) I got into random mode (destination: all) and tweaked a bit on the basis of the different random configurations...WOW. Primarily I got the rainmaker not to have another delay (I use the ZDSP and other modules for this) but as an innovative sound design tool for glitch/industrial/ambient duties - and as far as I am concerned I am more than happy. Just fed some Basilimus drums, Nebulae ambient samples and some waveforms from the E 355 into it and got taken away. Of course not even scratching the surface though Dead Banana
johnwynberg
After a long deliberation, I moved the Rainmaker to my digital Mr Pink case, taking the place of Mutable’s Elements, which now goes to the 12U. I thought there could be a bit of rivalry with Rings, but last night they seemed to have become good friends.

I’m still mostly listening to presets and learning my way around the sections and the parameters. So far, I have only managed to proper listening to 40 presets. Not to discourage the sharing of presets, not that they are not important, but I still haven’t finished trying all the presets in the Shapeshifter. So that may take me a while. But I definitively want to listen to all the presets in the Rainmaker, and read Devine's notes on his creations.

The random functions are great to find unexpected variations (randomizing just one or a few parameters) and combinations (randomizing all). However, the results are highly dependent of what one is feeding the Rainmaker. A completely random setup might not sound very interesting if it doesn’t have the right inputs (audio in, clocks, modulations...). There are so many variables, not just what the module can randomize internally, but dependent on the inputs, which can also be random... that the possible combinations and amounts of sounds this thing can do are huge. Dead Banana
On the other hand, and since the random functions seem to be ‘pure’ random (I mean, I don’t think they have been programmed to keep the results within certain ‘musical’ parameters, even if the parameters themselves obviously have some restrictions), in theory there can be combinations that might be worthless, not matter what. But, again, difficult to know, without trying all sorts of inputs... And even then, what is worthless for one, might well sound inspiring to someone else, or to be further processed by other modules. One just have to move on.

Considering the progress of the collaboration between Intellijel and Cylonix, from the Cyclebox to the Shapeshifter and now the Rainmaker, I’m almost afraid of what they are going to develop next. --No pressure. I’m sure even a multiple would be amazing. we're not worthy
Daisuk
I've found that starting a new preset from scratch (by loading a blank preset) is a more interesting way of both learning the module and getting the sounds you want, rather than randomizing all parameters and then editing them. Just a personal preference so far, obviously, but the panel navigation is incredibly well laid out, and you'll be flying around it in no time. I'm enjoying it immensely. I've even saved a few of my own presets that I really like.

I'm in the middle of writing an exam, but will definitely post some more interesting sounds (than the first demo) once I get around to it (the sessions I've had with it so far have involved so much giggling and drooling I've barely recorded anything).
ispeakhopelandic
Synchronon wrote:
ispeakhopelandic wrote:
curious if anyone is finding it useful to allowed a fully randomized patched to be generated and then tweaking as necessary?


I got mine yesterday and just had about an hour to take a first look at it. After checking the first presets (which are great btw) I got into random mode (destination: all) and tweaked a bit on the basis of the different random configurations...WOW. Primarily I got the rainmaker not to have another delay (I use the ZDSP and other modules for this) but as an innovative sound design tool for glitch/industrial/ambient duties - and as far as I am concerned I am more than happy. Just fed some Basilimus drums, Nebulae ambient samples and some waveforms from the E 355 into it and got taken away. Of course not even scratching the surface though Dead Banana


perfect, exactly what i was hoping to hear!
dmod
I just hope someone still has these next week when i have the money. I can't stop thinking about how cool this thing is. Game changer for modular no doubt! love
dmod
Hey can any users tell me how it sounds when you change delay times or presets on the fly? Smooth? thank you!
godmodeinternet
dmod wrote:
Hey can any users tell me how it sounds when you change delay times or presets on the fly? Smooth? thank you!


i get some clicking when doing it manually but not when the parameter is routed to one of the mods.

this thing is great. even just using a single tap and feeding it into the comb has yielded interesting results. i've also enjoyed using the pressure points pads to play the global delay pitchshift – a holdover trick from echophon of course but the vibe is different

many of the presets are busy, meaning you're not going to have a lot of luck hitting it with a sequence – it just sounds like hell that way. maybe you like hell though. so far (for me at least) shooting one note or impulse into the rainmaker and just letting the rainmaker take it from there has given the best results. makes sense given the multiplication.

this was my maiden voyage a few days ago – very simple but gives you a sense of the clarity this machine is capable of:

https://twitter.com/GODMODEINTERNET/status/730464942638432256
dmod
godmodeinternet wrote:
dmod wrote:
Hey can any users tell me how it sounds when you change delay times or presets on the fly? Smooth? thank you!


i get some clicking when doing it manually but not when the parameter is routed to one of the mods.

this thing is great. even just using a single tap and feeding it into the comb has yielded interesting results. i've also enjoyed using the pressure points pads to play the global delay pitchshift – a holdover trick from echophon of course but the vibe is different

many of the presets are busy, meaning you're not going to have a lot of luck hitting it with a sequence – it just sounds like hell that way. maybe you like hell though. so far (for me at least) shooting one note or impulse into the rainmaker and just letting the rainmaker take it from there has given the best results. makes sense given the multiplication.

this was my maiden voyage a few days ago – very simple but gives you a sense of the clarity this machine is capable of:

https://twitter.com/GODMODEINTERNET/status/730464942638432256
Great to hear! And literally great to hear in your demo, very cool. I know I am already sold on this guy but it is nice to hear nothing but positive feedback thus far. WELL DONE INTELLIJEL,WELL DONE! SlayerBadger! w00t we're not worthy Guinness ftw!
greenanother
Killing two birds with one stone here (as requests for Just Friends and Rainmaker demos abound).

First 2 1/2 minutes is Just Friends (FM'd by Mangrove)>3 Sisters (percussive and often alien in nature).

Last 2/1/2 minutes: I continue the patch, but run it through a custom-made preset in Rainmaker (turning up the mix 3/4 of the way for a trip into the rain forest and beyond).

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/just-rain[/s]
NekoNeko
Great to hear what people are using this for now it's out in the wild It's peanut butter jelly time!
Cortega
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?
human33l
1st muckabout, pinging karplus strong whilst processing a terrarium (pushing resonance), bass is a rubi, drums are lazy.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/264366352" params="color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments= true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false" width="100%" height="166" iframe="true" /]
Patate le mage
greenanother wrote:
Killing two birds with one stone here (as requests for Just Friends and Rainmaker demos abound).

First 2 1/2 minutes is Just Friends (FM'd by Mangrove)>3 Sisters (percussive and often alien in nature).

Last 2/1/2 minutes: I continue the patch, but run it through a custom-made preset in Rainmaker (turning up the mix 3/4 of the way for a trip into the rain forest and beyond).

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/just-rain[/s]


Very nice track, thanks
Patate le mage
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.
johnwynberg
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Not sure about the clips, but the feedback is easily controllable on the delay section, and on the comb section. Also, if the feedback is getting out of hand, you can kill it with the Clear button. The first time I tried the Rainmaker, though, I had the inputs all the way clockwise, and I was getting a lot of noise and distortion. Then I read they are not supposed to go beyond noon (of course, depending of how strong the input signals are). Also, you need to keep an eye on those output levels, or they can start clipping.
Cortega
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
exper
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.


It can definitely be clean, more than other delay based effects I've had, but as with anything, you have to mindful of inout levels, the individual delay levels and feedback, and of course the feedback of the resonator section.
Daisuk
It's really not difficult to avoid the distortion, as exper say, you just need to mind the input levels. In the demo I posted I switch quickly between presets, so the levels haven't been set right for each preset, and you also get the extra feedback from changing presets. If you stick to one preset and attenuate the incoming signal right, there's no distorted feedback.
greenanother
Daisuk wrote:
It's really not difficult to avoid the distortion, as exper say, you just need to mind the input levels. In the demo I posted I switch quickly between presets, so the levels haven't been set right for each preset, and you also get the extra feedback from changing presets. If you stick to one preset and attenuate the incoming signal right, there's no distorted feedback.


Yeah, I'll echo what was said here: you definitely have plenty of control over feedback and individual levels. In the track I posted, I purposely allowed the module to freely feedback excessively (as it sounded interesting to me). thumbs up
dmod
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....
Daisuk
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.
dmod
Daisuk wrote:
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.
Why noon or less? Is this so you can directly input regular audio as well?


thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.
L.C.O.
Daisuk wrote:
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.


Well, I wouldn't call it an "issue", but there is a lot of processing going on, and managing the gain staging throughout the module is definitely a pretty important task.
As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.

There is a separate screen for monitoring the levels at all stages, which is super useful to see where the levels go nuts. But even with that, in my experience so far, it's easy for feedback or resonance to flare up unexpectedly. There are so many places in the processing chain where various rsonance and feedback values can spiral out, especially if you are feeding the module varied signals (and I am not just saying varied in volume, but in terms of tonal balance).

So, to me, definitely a challenging beast.

Something to watch out for is situations where you might be working with a setup that has the delay section enabled, but resonance turned off, and you are adjusting your levels or whatever. AND if you do not have the level monitoring screen up, and you think to yourself, oh, I wonder what this will sound like with resonance on, and you just tap that button, only to realize that the resonance section had already built up some insane feedback, and your ears explode when you activate that section...
Happened to me three times. It was violent, my friends.

All this to say: I would not downplay this as something to really pay attention to. And to understand that just adjusting the trim pots for input volume is NOT the only solution.
Sinamsis
Sounds like you guys need a Jellysquasher to run your signal into before hitting the Rainmaker. Hahaha.

Even then I imagine, as mentioned above, things can get a little bonkers within the internal signal chain of the module.
intellijel
L.C.O. wrote:

As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.


The challenge with the presets and setting their gains is that it is highly dependent on the sprectral content of the source.
You might feed a certain synth riff in and all the presets generate close to the same output level but then you go to process drum sounds and it could be all over the map/

The presets were primarily intended to be used as starting points and to help demonstrate some of the possibilities. After that we encourage the users to adjust and tweak to your hearts content wink

Although this has presets it is not a "preset" rompler/macro type device. It is intended for you to dive in, modulate and customize to your needs.
L.C.O.
intellijel wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:

As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.


The challenge with the presets and setting their gains is that it is highly dependent on the sprectral content of the source.
You might feed a certain synth riff in and all the presets generate close to the same output level but then you go to process drum sounds and it could be all over the map/

The presets were primarily intended to be used as starting points and to help demonstrate some of the possibilities. After that we encourage the users to adjust and tweak to your hearts content wink

Although this has presets it is not a "preset" rompler/macro type device. It is intended for you to dive in, modulate and customize to your needs.


Right, that was more or less what I was trying to say: a lot depends on the tonal/frequency content of the incoming signal. Which is why adjusting the level of audio input with the trimmers is not really the only way, or "sure way" to avoid feedback, distortion and/or clipping.
realshafer
After playing with this for a few hours, my first impressions are really good. A lot of depth while very accessible. Transitions between settings are really clean too. With delay-based effects, you typically get a lot of pitch swashing and clicking. Not the case here. My only criticism so far is that the module resists being a simple effect. It can certainly do simple echoes and combs, but the lure to do more processing is very strong and the result can easily dominate a patch. Not a good/bad thing, just have to learn some self-control.

Very impressive job Intellijel and Cylonix!
Cortega
Thanx L.C.O. for the detailed Answer, i think i will give it a try, and now we need more Demos (-;
Southfork
Had my rainmaker going for a day and have to say I was shocked at first just sounded horrible going through the presets, everything sounded so lo-fi with lots of clipping, noise and generally sounding not like the 96khz sound I was expecting.

Had a break and came back to it and started designing my own settings... Then it came alive. I think it's been said above but you really can't expect to run sounds through the presets as they are, they're not bad but every sound you stick through the module needs close attention to levels across the board from input to output.

This is really reminding me of the shapeshifter as far as delays go this is really comprehensive (like the shapeshifter was for vco's). The more you dig into the settings the more precise you can be with your sounds. I found the workflow easy aswell with an hours practice, it's just knowing when to stop tweaking!

Another cylonix Classic? So far so good applause
evileye0702
Received mine yesterday and couldn't wait to get it installed and start testing it. I only had about an hour so I figured I work my way through the presets.

WOW. I absolutely loved it. I was using primarily Elements as my sound source and it paired with it beautifully adding either major or minor changes to the sound that were almost always interesting. I avoided tweaking much beyond the feedbacks, tone, pitch shift and comb size. I did some minor modulation.

Yes do need to watch your input levels and you do need to be careful with feedback. I was experiencing clipping when changing presets until I was more careful with that.

The presets offer a really nice variety. I think all the demos we've seen so far only show a small set of what this module is capable of.

I can already foresee us wanting a way to share the presets we create. The transfer process isn't something I'd want to do all the time but would definitely do to see other's contributions.
thisisprisma
now that is out an wigglers start using it i hope we can get more audio demos using it in various different ways!
dmod
Man this thing is complex but with some knobs for hands on access. (don't have one yet BTW just vicariously paying close attention). At first the Jellysquasher joke was funny but the more I hear about hot levels distorting, the first thing that comes to my mind as a recording engineer is put a compressor in front of the signal chain. I dont really want to spend the money as I have great outboard compressors for post production and to be honest at this price it seems like there should be more headroom considering it would be used with the very hot and chaotic eurorack signals. I wish I could check one out first somehow as it may just be everyone is just used to slamming their signals as hot as they can into analog devices. Even on outboard gear you have to be mindful of signal levels especially with digital. Not sure why all the distortion issues but one thing is for sure this module has my attention. I personally love deep fx machines like Eventide etc and this is just crazy to have something this complex with this much cv control! Dead Banana
evileye0702
Personally, I don't think distortion is at all a "problem" with this module. As with most effects one has to be careful with input and output. Attenuating the input level was all I really needed to do. Messing with gains of the DLY and CMB sections was not only useful but highly rewarding.

I could see where using this module in a live setting would be a little scary. Those who use headphones should be very careful.
Zymos
I don't even have one (yet) but it doesn't sound like putting a compressor in front of it is going to solve everything. What with feedback, resonant filters, etc, there are plenty of places things can get out of control...
exper
Anything with filtering, resonance and feedback can easily go nuts. My old modcan dual delay would go completely bonkers if I used the filter with even a little resonance.

Compressing the input isn't the issue as stated above. It all depend on input levels, filter setting, feedback, the actual source material, etc.
evileye0702
Zymos wrote:
I don't even have one (yet) but it doesn't sound like putting a compressor in front of it is going to solve everything. What with feedback, resonant filters, etc, there are plenty of places things can get out of control...


Exactly and plenty of those out of control things may be desirable.
evileye0702
and straight from the manual (just so happens to be the part I'm reading)

The points in the system whose levels are shown in the eight meters are:

- IN The outputs of the Analog to Digital converters. This is the point where the analog input signals, INL and INR, are converted to digital form, and it is crucial that these levels be kept away from the maximum value, otherwise objectionable distortion may occur (unless you like that sort of thing). These levels can be adjusted by using the attenuator controls located directly above the INL and INR jacks. For typical Eurorack signal levels, the attenuators will be set to the 12 o’clock position. The attenuators can be turned further clockwise if lower level input signals are used.
Daisuk
Here's another little demo of it with some homemade "presets", focusing probably on the more ambientish side of it. There's one melody going through it (being played 100% dry as the first little clip). Yes, there's quite a bit of feedback on most of the little bits (but no clipping that I'm aware of). I mean, feedback is definitely part of the awesomeness of this thing, in my opinion - as long as it doesn't clip or go completely out of hand, of course.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/rainy2[/s]

Absolutely loving it, I have to say, and have of course just barely scratched the surface. Just messing around with triggering various things and modulating A and B, or just pitch shifting can give a preset a completely different sound. we're not worthy
Zymos
Wow- that all came from the first clip? Amazing, especially the choral sounding stuff like in the last example.
exper
Wow!

Nice job Daisuk!
Southfork
Daisuk wrote:
Here's another little demo of it with some homemade "presets", focusing probably on the more ambientish side of it. There's one melody going through it (being played 100% dry as the first little clip). Yes, there's quite a bit of feedback on most of the little bits (but no clipping that I'm aware of). I mean, feedback is definitely part of the awesomeness of this thing, in my opinion - as long as it doesn't clip or go completely out of hand, of course.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/rainy2[/s]

Absolutely loving it, I have to say, and have of course just barely scratched the surface. Just messing around with triggering various things and modulating A and B, or just pitch shifting can give a preset a completely different sound. we're not worthy


Nice demos love the variety in the sounds although they do all sound quite lofi or lacking on the top end, obviously I have no idea what your sound sources are or what you were intending these to sound like.
realshafer
Here's a demo for those wanting to hear more straightforward delay processing. This is a selection from about a half hour of playing with the module. Shapeshifter sequence input and youtube sample input. No presets here, just real-time parameter manipulation. Besides the cutting and fades, this is 100% unprocessed direct out from Rainmaker.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/264602922" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Daisuk
Southfork wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Here's another little demo of it with some homemade "presets", focusing probably on the more ambientish side of it. There's one melody going through it (being played 100% dry as the first little clip). Yes, there's quite a bit of feedback on most of the little bits (but no clipping that I'm aware of). I mean, feedback is definitely part of the awesomeness of this thing, in my opinion - as long as it doesn't clip or go completely out of hand, of course.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/rainy2[/s]

Absolutely loving it, I have to say, and have of course just barely scratched the surface. Just messing around with triggering various things and modulating A and B, or just pitch shifting can give a preset a completely different sound. we're not worthy


Nice demos love the variety in the sounds although they do all sound quite lofi or lacking on the top end, obviously I have no idea what your sound sources are or what you were intending these to sound like.


Thanks, guys.

All from the same clip, yes, the first little clip was the dry signal being processed.

I think it sounds lo-fi probably due to a mix of the signal going in sounding a bit lo-fi (modulated Loquelic Iteritas into E440), and using a lot of feedback. I guess I'm also drawn towards those type of sounds, so probably subconsciously went for those sounds when making presets. It definitely doesn't have to sound lo-fi. smile

I'm really digging the comb-section more than I anticipated. It can add a sort of reverby tail to things. The time modulator is awesome.

I accidentally saved presets to all the blank spots, so had to clear preset 1 to get a blank preset - but for some reason, I couldn't edit the time modulator settings in the delay tap mode on that preset (and not from a lot of other presets either), the module just wouldn't allow me to change its settings - anyone know why?

I'm in complete love with this module though. Love it. smile The only thing that blows is that one of the LEDs on my module seems to be dead. Sent a mail to Intellijel though, and hopefully there's an easy way to fix it somehow.
kisielk
I have you have mod A or mod B assigned to the modulation settings they will override them and the screen will display the value corresponding to the knob mod position.
Daisuk
kisielk wrote:
I have you have mod A or mod B assigned to the modulation settings they will override them and the screen will display the value corresponding to the knob mod position.


Aaaahh, cool. Good to know. Thanks! I knew it couldn't be a bug, there just doesn't seem to be any. wink
greenanother
Sweet Daisuk, sweet...especially like the 3rd to last section; nice work!
realshafer
Maybe some menu bugs? See if anyone can replicate:

Pitch Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Pitch Shift" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap (I'll choose +11 semitones for tap 4)
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Pitch" (black colored Feedback Pitch)
8. Set some value for the Feedback Pitch (I'll choose -4 semitones)
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Tap Pitch Shift" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to "Feedback Pitch" screen and the values are messed up (in my example, Feedback Pitch L = 11 and Feedback Pitch R = -4)

Piles Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Level" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Piles"
8. Set some value for Piles
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Levels" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to the "Piles" screen and the values are messed up. I see the regular values repeats plus the values for the filter (ie. none, lowpass, bandpass, highpass).

The workaround is simple. Press the red Tap# parameter first before selecting the tap you want to edit.

Can anyone verify these two? Maybe there's some similar bugs in the other functions. These were the two that I encountered when briefly playing with the module.
dmod
realshafer wrote:
Here's a demo for those wanting to hear more straightforward delay processing. This is a selection from about a half hour of playing with the module. Shapeshifter sequence input and youtube sample input. No presets here, just real-time parameter manipulation. Besides the cutting and fades, this is 100% unprocessed direct out from Rainmaker.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/264602922" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Cool demo. thumbs up Dig it! Once again hmmm..... though I am hearing a lot of distortion and clipping. Might just have to get one and dive in to figure this out???
L.C.O.
Daisuk wrote:
The only thing that blows is that one of the LEDs on my module seems to be dead. Sent a mail to Intellijel though, and hopefully there's an easy way to fix it somehow.


That's weird... mine has a dead LED too!
Which one is dead on yours?
jjclark
realshafer wrote:
Maybe some menu bugs? See if anyone can replicate:

Pitch Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Pitch Shift" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap (I'll choose +11 semitones for tap 4)
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Pitch" (black colored Feedback Pitch)
8. Set some value for the Feedback Pitch (I'll choose -4 semitones)
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Tap Pitch Shift" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to "Feedback Pitch" screen and the values are messed up (in my example, Feedback Pitch L = 11 and Feedback Pitch R = -4)

Piles Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Level" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Piles"
8. Set some value for Piles
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Levels" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to the "Piles" screen and the values are messed up. I see the regular values repeats plus the values for the filter (ie. none, lowpass, bandpass, highpass).

The workaround is simple. Press the red Tap# parameter first before selecting the tap you want to edit.

Can anyone verify these two? Maybe there's some similar bugs in the other functions. These were the two that I encountered when briefly playing with the module.


Hi, I wasn't able to replicate this. We had a bug like this in one of the earlier versions. Did Danjel send you a module in advance? You might have an earlier firmware version than the release version.
exper
jjclark wrote:
realshafer wrote:
Maybe some menu bugs? See if anyone can replicate:

Pitch Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Pitch Shift" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap (I'll choose +11 semitones for tap 4)
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Pitch" (black colored Feedback Pitch)
8. Set some value for the Feedback Pitch (I'll choose -4 semitones)
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Tap Pitch Shift" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to "Feedback Pitch" screen and the values are messed up (in my example, Feedback Pitch L = 11 and Feedback Pitch R = -4)

Piles Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Level" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Piles"
8. Set some value for Piles
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Levels" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to the "Piles" screen and the values are messed up. I see the regular values repeats plus the values for the filter (ie. none, lowpass, bandpass, highpass).

The workaround is simple. Press the red Tap# parameter first before selecting the tap you want to edit.

Can anyone verify these two? Maybe there's some similar bugs in the other functions. These were the two that I encountered when briefly playing with the module.


Hi, I wasn't able to replicate this. We had a bug like this in one of the earlier versions. Did Danjel send you a module in advance? You might have an earlier firmware version than the release version.


No, wasn't able to duplicate here either.
Synchronon
Just chiming in to say that I do not have any distortion or clipping issues beyond the usual thing that you got to be cautious with the feedback and input levels. I killed my ears a few times but I managed to do this easily with the Macro Collider or the ZDSP as well because of not paying attention to a massive feedback-wave suddenly rolling over me eek! Like others mentioned before it reminds me a bit of the Shapeshifter where you also better know the signal chain and you have to check the built in attenuators in order to avoid too harsh sounds and fx. That's totally fine with me.
analogdigital
Maybe this isn't a "bug", but when I go to save a preset, I'd rather it show me the name of the preset I'm attempting to overwrite, rather than just using the name of the one I loaded, and then just scrolling through the numbers. Then, when hitting the encoder to save, it lets you set the name first before committing. i.e. one more encoder push, but at least you get an opportunity to see what you're about to overwrite.

Also, a way to clear the name in one fell swoop when saving would be nice.

EDIT: here's the problem: go load a preset (i.e. empty), then save it with some other name in a different slot. Then go try to save it again afterward.. it pulls up the original loaded name on the slot you just saved it on, not the name you saved it as moments ago. This, coupled with not being able to see the name of the preset you're about to overwrite makes it difficult to see what's going on. So even if you want to save it back to the same slot with the same name, it is loading the original name instead. To get the "current" name you have to load the preset you've already saved to, then save again.

I can understand how loading from X and saving to Y does not imply that you have now loaded Y, but from a usability standpoint, it makes more sense to switch to the saved preset upon saving. Then the context is now the current saved location, not where you originally loaded from.
Funky40
Nice demos daisuk , totally dig it. Also yours realshafer
realshafer
jjclark wrote:
realshafer wrote:
Maybe some menu bugs? See if anyone can replicate:

Pitch Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Pitch Shift" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap (I'll choose +11 semitones for tap 4)
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Pitch" (black colored Feedback Pitch)
8. Set some value for the Feedback Pitch (I'll choose -4 semitones)
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Tap Pitch Shift" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to "Feedback Pitch" screen and the values are messed up (in my example, Feedback Pitch L = 11 and Feedback Pitch R = -4)

Piles Menu Bug
1. Turn on Rainmaker (default 1-tap preset opens)
2. Turn Tap# mode on
3. Press "Level" (red colored)
4. Press a tap button (I'll choose tap 4 because that's the tap used in the preset)
5. Set some value for the tap
6. Switch to Edit mode
7. Press "Piles"
8. Set some value for Piles
9. Switch back to Tap# mode. The screen should show the "Levels" screen.
10. Try selecting a tap button (I'll choose 4 again)
11. The menu immediately changes to the "Piles" screen and the values are messed up. I see the regular values repeats plus the values for the filter (ie. none, lowpass, bandpass, highpass).

The workaround is simple. Press the red Tap# parameter first before selecting the tap you want to edit.

Can anyone verify these two? Maybe there's some similar bugs in the other functions. These were the two that I encountered when briefly playing with the module.


Hi, I wasn't able to replicate this. We had a bug like this in one of the earlier versions. Did Danjel send you a module in advance? You might have an earlier firmware version than the release version.


Hi jjclark, I just got it in the mail yesterday. It says it's running firmware version 1.01. Is that an older version?
jjclark
analogdigital wrote:
Maybe this isn't a "bug", but when I go to save a preset, I'd rather it show me the name of the preset I'm attempting to overwrite, rather than just using the name of the one I loaded, and then just scrolling through the numbers. Then, when hitting the encoder to save, it lets you set the name first before committing. i.e. one more encoder push, but at least you get an opportunity to see what you're about to overwrite.



I have given the reasoning behind this earlier in this thread. One thing you can do to get the behavior you want is to press the LOAD button. This will display the preset names. Then scroll to the preset you want to overwrite, then press SAVE and press the encoder to do the overwrite.
Daisuk
L.C.O. wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
The only thing that blows is that one of the LEDs on my module seems to be dead. Sent a mail to Intellijel though, and hopefully there's an easy way to fix it somehow.


That's weird... mine has a dead LED too!
Which one is dead on yours?


It's nr 14. Got an answer from Intellijel last night, it's probably due to a resistor not being soldered on right, so just need to re-flow the soldering on it. Hopefully that'll do it. I guess it's likely that your's is the same, as they had to hand mod a bunch of resistors on the earlier units because of too bright LEDs.

Glad you guys liked the demo - this thing is one lush motherfucker. Mr. Green
Patate le mage
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.

After some hours of use i can affirm you that those distorsion problems can easily been avoid.
As all the users said ; input's levels and feedback's level are the secret.
Of course with the comb filter you don't have pristine sound but it's the nature of comb filter.
The delay can be crystal clear and can also go in grunge territories.

Some of the presets are ear's danger so when you use it first, be care with your main volume.
exper
Also, when trying things out, at least until you're used to the module, I find pressing the clear button when switching patches helps to avoid sudden volume changes and runaway feedback. The fact that presets flow into one another is great for performance of course.
Daisuk
Here's more of a patch/track featuring Rainmaker in a mix. Rainmaker is the melody thingie you can hear by itself in the very beginning of the track, and at the very end.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/bonscottbirdies[/s]

All a live take, so there's mistakes and whatnot, but what the hell. Mr. Green
GNE
Guitar / Amp Sim / Rainmaker

[s]http://soundcloud.com/marlondyer/raynmaykur[/s]
Funky40
To add to the variation of the Demos:

Rompler/workstation thru Rainmaker:
the first aim was probably to squeeze as much diversity out of the Rainy ( one Preset) as possible while keeping it as musical as possible.
( you might not like it but it might add getting a picture )
first part is a SlapBass, second part a GrandPiano.
only audio in, no CVs, just manually wiggling

[s]https://soundcloud.com/f40-test-demo/bs201pino4-rain-wav[/s]

the crackling in the second -piano- part is definitly from tweaking the size parameter of the comb filter section


Edit:
this is the E-Piano part
[s]https://soundcloud.com/f40-test-demo/ep1-rain-600wav[/s]
Funky40
so i wanted to reprogramm my preset and adding some reverse,
now the shock: Reverse is not per step, only "global" ?
...ok, I read thru the manual. ...... kind of a drawback then



another not so understandable thing for me:
when on menu pages, -like lets say the reverse page-, with more than one entry,
would it be the most logic, and most fast thing anyway, that a press on the encoder would toggle between the lines.

i like that there are so many buttons on the frontpanel, it makes the overview in mind in regards to "whats there" easier.
but a press on the encoder should allow also to toggle the lines instead of heading away from the encoder/display to press that other button there on the left.............would make it more fluffy. / not just a thought
kisielk
Funky40 wrote:
so i wanted to reprogramm my preset and adding some reverse,
now the shock: Reverse is not per step, only "global" ?
...ok, I read thru the manual. ...... kind of a drawback then



another not so understandable thing for me:
when on menu pages, -like lets say the reverse page-, with more than one entry,
would it be the most logic, and most fast thing anyway, that a press on the encoder would toggle between the lines.

i like that there are so many buttons on the frontpanel, it makes the overview in mind in regards to "whats there" easier.
but a press on the encoder should allow also to toggle the lines instead of heading away from the encoder/display to press that other button there on the left.............would make it more fluffy. / not just a thought


That wouldn't work because for some screens the encoder click has a special function (such as toggling ping-pong mode in the feedback screen), or holding it and turning causes the parameter values to change faster.
Funky40
ok, thanks ! hoped it might be addable within some menus.
just wanted to delet my post btw.
oops
greenanother
GNE wrote:
Guitar / Amp Sim / Rainmaker

[s]http://soundcloud.com/marlondyer/raynmaykur[/s]


Some really interesting and inspiring examples here, GNE! 5:10 is really nice-thanks for sharing.
Daisuk
Damn, GNE & Funky40, great sounds! applause Wish I had a guitar, a bass and a grand piano, haha.
matttech
realshafer wrote:
Here's a demo for those wanting to hear more straightforward delay processing. This is a selection from about a half hour of playing with the module. Shapeshifter sequence input and youtube sample input. No presets here, just real-time parameter manipulation. Besides the cutting and fades, this is 100% unprocessed direct out from Rainmaker.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/264602922" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Liking the sound of that! I can't hear much in the way of clipping on that personally, but it's always a little hard to tell as Soundcloud messes with the audio quality a bit anyway during conversion/ uploading

Either way, it sounds great to me! thumbs up
matttech
FUNKY 40 - those sound great too! (especially the slap bass one....and I never thought I'd say that!!)
Funky40
Daisuk wrote:
Wish I had a guitar, a bass and a grand piano, haha.
To make that clear:
My demos came from my Rompler/workstation, .....so: playing keyboard, NOT real Instruments wink ( see picture of my setup at the soundcloud file)


matttech wrote:
(especially the slap bass one....and I never thought I'd say that!!)

wait: you don´t like slapp bass ? angry wink

..........i was a Bassist ! its 13 years back. a bike accident had me to quit. Bass is my big love, ........and still would be waah
exorbitant real time wiggling on the Rainmaker would not be possible while playing a instrument which needs both hands.
a Footpedal can not achive same diversity of wiggling, obviously..........while the Rainmaker has a quite good potential to be wiggled up into the exorbitant wink

and thanks !


ahh edit: yes, one of my loves now is to play "a instrument" and make it shady sounding if not like something else. .....up to FX mayhem
realshafer
matttech wrote:
realshafer wrote:
Here's a demo for those wanting to hear more straightforward delay processing. This is a selection from about a half hour of playing with the module. Shapeshifter sequence input and youtube sample input. No presets here, just real-time parameter manipulation. Besides the cutting and fades, this is 100% unprocessed direct out from Rainmaker.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/264602922" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Liking the sound of that! I can't hear much in the way of clipping on that personally, but it's always a little hard to tell as Soundcloud messes with the audio quality a bit anyway during conversion/ uploading

Either way, it sounds great to me! thumbs up


Thanks mattech! I don't hear much clipping on the audio either. It could be an accumulation of filter resonance from the feedback loop that tends to sound saturated (which I think sounds nice). The input levels were set to noon.

Setting the input levels to 9 o'clock when doing those high-resonance feedback things gives you even more headroom to avoid that filter saturation sound.
Zymos
Is there any way to dim the LEDs, in a future FW update perhaps?

I've owned around 50 different modules, this is the first one that has ever bothered me.

Totally stoked to have it in my case though! Wish I didn't have to work all day waah
Cortega
Zymos wrote:
Is there any way to dim the LEDs, in a future FW update perhaps?

I've owned around 50 different modules, this is the first one that has ever bothered me.

Totally stoked to have it in my case though! Wish I didn't have to work all day waah



arrgh...the lights are so bright here too ?

i find this is real problem more and more, more blinken lights in every new Modul, clear that is usefull to show the states of a Modul, but why the Hell so bright, are the Manufacters not using there Modules in the evening ?

the Polaris Filter has incredible bright Lights too, all the new Make Noise MOdules, the Tempi is unusable without covering the Lights in the evening.

Manufacters please stop this Trend.
Zymos
This will be me, wiggling ---> cool

I love the blinkennlights, in general. Some posts a page or two back implied that Intellijel had already addressed the issue on some units, but that sounded like a hardware fix.
intellijel
Zymos wrote:
This will be me, wiggling ---> cool

I love the blinkennlights, in general. Some posts a page or two back implied that Intellijel had already addressed the issue on some units, but that sounded like a hardware fix.



The first batch was way too bright but we modded all of them to be dimmer. No one would have received an unmodded unit. It seems some people still find these too bright (you should have seen before) but this could be in part to having so many leds close to each other. We'll consider dialing it back in future builds.
Funky40
i agree on the too bright LEDs !
In fact are the yellow LEDs on my brandnew 700$ ( with import) Rainmaker taped with several layers of clear tape, each painted with a black marker ( the tape not taking the colour good, thus several layers......)
It was the *very first* thing i did ! lol
the red LEDs will follow getting some masking tape.............not exactly funny


intellijel wrote:
but this could be in part to having so many leds close to each other.

As great of a Guy you are Daniel: i have a hard time to see such a comment, to put it into tame words.

fact is: our eyes are not just the "looking devices" the doctor might tell you.
Humans are Spiritual-energetical entities.


some people do not perceive this connection because they are "disconnected",
and some people do not perceive a bright LED as beeing offending because they have a very strong energetical body, to say so ( and in lack of a better english).
further can "working in front of computers" have a effect to both sides:
making us "desensitized" ..........or "oversensitized".
Thus not a easy thematic ........



( the whole computerscreen, bright Lights, watching TV etc. thematic is not a trivial one btw. )
exper
Strange. LEDs weren't remotely overpowering to me.
MATSmile
Funky40
Dude, complaining about everything is your life motto or something?
Matos
MATSmile
lol
Funky40
MATSmile wrote:
Funky40
Dude, complaining about everything is your life motto or something?

Dude,
you are defintly NOT the right person to offend me !


but lets make here one thing clear:
i critisize "gear", ...........mostoften with the intention that it can turn things to the better**.
...........while you are offending here a person ! (not the first time btw.)
which is both totally NOT the same !
the strange thing is that much people even have no sense for "that" difference.......


**( which it has donne quite often btw.. the list of gear which has seen changes to the better do to my critics ( or complaints if you want to take it this way) is not that short, just to say. )
MATSmile
Funky40 wrote:
MATSmile wrote:
Funky40
Dude, complaining about everything is your life motto or something?


...........while you are offending here a person ! (not the first time btw.)

Well, while your motto is "criticizing" gear, my motto is offending people whose self esteem is too high.
BTW It's a first time I'm personally bringing it up. Previously I saw multiple users addressing this issue to you, but who cares it's internet, right?
Sinamsis
Well I happen to be an eye doctor and I'm pretty sure you're not at risk of developing a solar or laser retinopathy/maculopathy from bright LEDs. But what do I know?

Also I don't get people's complaints about bright LEDs. Are you guys using these in dim light situations? Or are you eve really photosensitive? I've had a couple guitar pedals that could be pretty blinding in dim light situations. But never really noticed it in the modular gear people complain about.

EDIT: This is by no means a medical opinion and I am not to blaim if you blind yourself by staring at the Rainmaker (or any other euro module) all day.
Zymos
Many LEDs put out UV light, which yes, can damage your eyes. I'm not saying the Rainmaker or any other module will, but LED grow lights and other high intensity LEDs can.

Whenever I've read about people complaining about how bright this or that module is, I'd thought they must just be over sensitive or something. Like I said, I'd never been bothered by it from any other modules I've owned.

But as soon as I switched on the Rainmaker, my first reaction was "shit! That's bright!" And unlike other light sources, I am going to be purposely looking right at it for extended periods. I don't really want to tape over them cause it seems kind of a trashy way to treat a 600$ module, but am going to try to figure out some sort of solution -maybe some tinted acrylic shield type of arrangement.
scottmoon
The worst offender I ever had was the AniModule TikTok Clock Multiplier/Divider. 12 white LEDs that are blinking madly. I liked it usefulness but it was extremely distracting. woah
Sinamsis
Haha ok Zymos. You're going to get uktraviolet keratitis from the Rainmaker LEDs.
Zymos
Sinamsis wrote:
Haha ok Zymos. You're going to get uktraviolet keratitis from the Rainmaker LEDs.


Read my post. See the part where I even said that the LEDs in modules, including specifically Rainmaker, were not going to hurt anyone's eyes? d'oh!
deltaphoenix
Getting pretty frustrated with Perfect Circuit.

I talked to them last week and they said "Rainmakers are on the way". Not sure how it takes over a week for a package to get from Vancouver to LA.

I am getting ready to cancel my pre-order with them.
IF they are actually en route to Perfect Circuit then when they get them and ship there could be an issue because of the delay. I am going to be out of town next week and I can see it now, a $640 module sitting on my porch for 4 days and it is rainy season in Florida...not good.

All I wanted is that sweet delay and comb resonator waah
exper
deltaphoenix wrote:
Getting pretty frustrated with Perfect Circuit.

I talked to them last week and they said "Rainmakers are on the way". Not sure how it takes over a week for a package to get from Vancouver to LA.

I am getting ready to cancel my pre-order with them.
IF they are actually en route to Perfect Circuit then when they get them and ship there could be an issue because of the delay. I am going to be out of town next week and I can see it now, a $640 module sitting on my porch for 4 days and it is rainy season in Florida...not good.

All I wanted is that sweet delay and comb resonator waah


Cancel it! Control has stock and could get it to you really fast. I like perfect circuit for their discounts, but their shipping times are long if you use the free shipping. Either that or tell PC to hold it until you return.
Zymos
Hear ya on Perfect Circuit. When you are jonesing for the new thing, and every day counts, it always seems to take an extra day or two with them.

Detroit Modular is my go to- ordered on a Tues, delivered on a Thurs half the country away. Free insured USPS shipping- requires a signature, so it will not be left on your porch if you are away.
Sinamsis
Zymos wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
Haha ok Zymos. You're going to get uktraviolet keratitis from the Rainmaker LEDs.


Read my post. See the part where I even said that the LEDs in modules, including specifically Rainmaker, were not going to hurt anyone's eyes? d'oh!


Ha I know, I'm busting chops. But in all seriousness, yes UV light is bad for you. Not only can extensive UV exposure cause corneal issues, it can also cause macular problems. But given the fluorescent lighting, computer/smart phone/tablet screens and other sources that are surrounding us, some LEDs are the least of your worries. And again, I am a board certified ophthalmologist. So I may know a thing or two about the issue.
kisielk
Sinamsis wrote:
And again, I am a board certified ophthalmologist.


Your avatar just took on a whole new level of scary eek!
Sinamsis
kisielk wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
And again, I am a board certified ophthalmologist.


Your avatar just took on a whole new level of scary eek!


Haha, that's my OR attire.... No, I try to be a little more professional in my career compared to my personal/online life. Ha although I think most my patients know I'm a quirky dude and they're ok with it.

EDIT: And in all seriousness, for those who find the LEDs too bright, are you using them in dark light settings? I'm not being a smart ass. Your pupils will dilate in a darker room and bright lights will certainly be blinding. Also, people with dry irritated eyes will find bright lights very uncomfortable. So my questions in my previous post were ernest.
Zymos
All that aside, these LEDs are noticeably brighter TO ME than any other LEDs in my cases. Other people may feel differently. I'm looking at all of them with my same two eyes under the same lighting (which has been indirect sunlight supplemented with a wimpy CF).

I thought there might be a chance that the brightness could be controlled by the firmware, and this seemed to be a good place to ask. Intellijel even acknowledged that this had been an issue and that it might need further tweaking, so I don't feel like I was way off base to bring it up.
Warpsmasher
Please explain the time modulator a bit more? There are several presets where the level and rate can't be edited (preset 1 for instance), so an explanation of when and why it can't be used would be very helpful.
kisielk
Warpsmasher wrote:
Please explain the time modulator a bit more? There are several presets where the level and rate can't be edited (preset 1 for instance), so an explanation of when and why it can't be used would be very helpful.


You can edit it if you change the Mod A and Mod B destinations to some thing else. Otherwise the mod knobs take over.
Warpsmasher
Aha! Thanks, that was the one thing I hadn't tried. I was scouring the manual trying to figure it out and couldn't find anything.
Funky40
sorry, need to come back to the LEDs.
please ignore if you are tired of me ! ( which would be the appropriate way to act, and not to offend me as a person afterwards )

Sinamsis wrote:
Also, people with dry irritated eyes will find bright lights very uncomfortable. So my questions in my previous post were ernest.

Having Dry eyes might be much likely the truth for me now, yes.
to answer your question: i perceive the too bright LEDs like needles going into my eyes.
( and yes, ofcourse was it ever clear that the bright LEDs won´t damage anything. Just to make this clear: i never stated anything in this direction )


so i just moved my little FX skiff:
looking vertically to it now was i no longer able to read the lettering around the red LEDs/Buttons do to the bright red LED emission.
..........but according to some people her have i to guess that this is MY fault. guess my negativity lol
oh well, painting a clear tape totally black with black marker helped.
thats when the negative meets the negative, they match lol
and guess what; the LEDs are still brighter than my doepfer are .....and brighter than my Dixi MKI is.
........thats then putting things into real live relations. my point of view.
Funky40
why i had to come back to this thread:
i need the help from some intellijel guys:

the delay line / reverse, wet-dry menu:
Wet-Dry mix:
i set the level to full zero = full dry.
but what i get out is still the full wet mix ( the wet-dry pot is set full CW )

now, i see a relation with the routing menu:
my setting was/is: DLY + CMB
when i set the routing to: CMB > DLY is the wet-dry setting donne with the encoder working.

should the wet-dry mix for the delay line not also work within the DLY + CMB routing ?
what is the point here to watch ?
jjclark
Funky40 wrote:
why i had to come back to this thread:
i need the help from some intellijel guys:

the delay line / reverse, wet-dry menu:
Wet-Dry mix:
i set the level to full zero = full dry.
but what i get out is still the full wet mix ( the wet-dry pot is set full CW )

now, i see a relation with the routing menu:
my setting was/is: DLY + CMB
when i set the routing to: CMB > DLY is the wet-dry setting donne with the encoder working.

should the wet-dry mix for the delay line not also work within the DLY + CMB routing ?
what is the point here to watch ?


The MIX potentiometer controls the Wet/Dry for the module as a whole, that is it mixes the INL,INR signals with the effect outputs. So if you turn the MIX knob fully CCW you will just hear the INL,INR signals, and if it is fully CW you will hear just the output of the effect chain.

The WET/DRY menu item is an internal Wet/Dry for just the Delay effect. The purpose of this control is to mix the input of the delay with the output of the delay. This is useful, for example, when the delay effect comes after the comb effect (e.g. when the comb is doing Karplus-Strong plucks) and you want to mix the comb output with the delay output, not the input to the comb.
jjclark
To continue my answer to Funky:

If you configure with DLY + CMB, then setting the MIX to full CW and the internal WET/DRY to zero, you will hear a mixture of the INL,INR (from the delay line) and the full wet output of the comb effect. If the comb is turned off, you will just hear the module input (just tried this on my own module).


The internal WET/DRY does not affect the comb.
Funky40
The Rainmaker is a very nice jammable device !
i have it now the first time with my modular.
I´ve just modified Richard Devines preset #125-Vertex and had directly my first jam with a simple drumbeat from my modular
edit: its a VERY good idea to have a Comp behind the Rainmaker if one wants to jamm with cranking the feedbacks lol i had one in the chain here

[s]https://soundcloud.com/f40-test-demo/104drm-100wav[/s]
my keyboard-slapbass jam was also based on #125-Vertex btw., .......in unmodified state then.
Funky40
JJ, what you say is all clear to me, at least as i just understood your post.
( lets keep the "mix-wet-dry" out, i just wanted to tell that it was set to full wet/full CCW )
My point of confusion:
i refer to what you call "the internal wet-dry":
it has had no effect when adjusting the internal wet-dry mix with the encoder to zero while the routing setting was set to: CMB + DLY
but it was working when the routing was set to: CMB > DLY
( my aim was to get the internal wet-dry setting set to full zero/ full dry )

the preset was btw. based on preset: BouncyPng, just that i modified it.

.....................

ok, i just loaded again my "BouncyPng", now is the "internal wet-dry" setting working, regardless if i set the Routing to CMB + DLY or CMB > DLY.

as sayed, previously was the "internal wet-dry" mix not working, i could not set it to full dry. i just got full wet out
I´ve stumbled over this situation this week at least two if not three times,
thus beeing today shure of what i exactly did. thus my post.
what i´m not shure about is, if there is any setting one could overlook here. but i guess not

JJ, thanks for chimming in that quick !
Zymos
Just...wow.
I loved the sounds I was hearing from my rig before.
Now I feel like I moved up to a whole 'nother level.

Tweaked one of the presets, forget the number, think it was called Filter Bank. I've been here for like an hour, playing a slow simple sequence on Rings through one channel, the other being fed by various drum/cymbal sounds with Zularic sending triggers. Loving the way a little tweak to Rings gently propagates through the delays.

Simply beautiful. It's big, it's relatively expensive, but it's pure class! thumbs up

For your listening enjoyment, one of my typical meandering holding the mic with one hand and tweaking with the other type deals...
[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/may_20_2016-001[/s]
milkyjoe
The last 2 demo's sound great except whats with all the background noise ?

That's a potential deal breaker for me...

AND, regarding bright led's in general: The biggest problem with them is that you cant see or read the labels or barely see the knobs ! The schippmann vcf-02 is an example...
Krater
I guess the background noise especially in the last demo is not produced by the rainmaker, my unit does sound quite clean, at least if I don´t overdrive it.
The LEDs for the 16 taps are less bright than the other ones here, which is a good thing. The rework did the job, at least for my eyes, the other LEDs are quite bright though. I really like the display and the interaction with the interface so far, the sounds are stellar, it´s great to get lost in this thing.
Zymos
milkyjoe wrote:
The last 2 demo's sound great except whats with all the background noise ?

That's a potential deal breaker for me...

AND, regarding bright led's in general: The biggest problem with them is that you cant see or read the labels or barely see the knobs ! The schippmann vcf-02 is an example...


If you mean mine, that's cause I recorded it on my phone with a microphone. Output is completely clean in real life.
Zymos
Here's a couple more, recorded direct through an audio interface for tha HiFI!
[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/rainmaker[/s]

[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/rm2[/s]
Southfork
Not enough of these plain "maybe i want a rainmaker but haven't heard a basic delay from it clips"

Fm sound adjusting dry to fully wet simple multi tap and dividing clock down.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/liquidyzer/intelshordem[/s]
deltaphoenix
I decided to wait and see if Perfect Circuit would ship while I was out of town. It looks like they shipped it yesterday. Good thing I asked the Post Office to hold my mail. I guess paying for 2 day priority mail was all for naught...oh well, who cares...I will have time with mine next week!!!

w00t
dhoinjo
heavy rain expected tomorrow! Schneiders shipped mine together with my repaired Z-DSP. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow... SlayerBadger!
Upright
dhoinjo wrote:
heavy rain expected tomorrow! Schneiders shipped mine together with my repaired Z-DSP. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow... SlayerBadger!




Same here....funny the forecast in my area says clear skies with a slight wind, but I'm excepting heavy Rain ;-)
Patate le mage
A very " simple" patch.
Four modules are used:
Batumi is the tempo and CV controller.
Battumi---->Elements
Elements---->Rainmaker
Batumi---->Rainmaker ( from time to time Batumi randomize all the parameters of the Rainmaker with a trig )
Rainmaker--->Stream used as a stereo compressor.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/patate-le-mage/elements-rainmaker[/s]
greenanother
Very nice, le mage! Guinness ftw!
Upright
Patate le mage


Very nice work bro!
bobbcorr
Patate le mage - that's a triumph. Drop some Phonogene in there and it's a musique concrète album in the making!
Funky40
L.C.O. wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.


Well, I wouldn't call it an "issue", but there is a lot of processing going on, and managing the gain staging throughout the module is definitely a pretty important task.
As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.

There is a separate screen for monitoring the levels at all stages, which is super useful to see where the levels go nuts. But even with that, in my experience so far, it's easy for feedback or resonance to flare up unexpectedly. There are so many places in the processing chain where various rsonance and feedback values can spiral out, especially if you are feeding the module varied signals (and I am not just saying varied in volume, but in terms of tonal balance).

So, to me, definitely a challenging beast.

Something to watch out for is situations where you might be working with a setup that has the delay section enabled, but resonance turned off, and you are adjusting your levels or whatever. AND if you do not have the level monitoring screen up, and you think to yourself, oh, I wonder what this will sound like with resonance on, and you just tap that button, only to realize that the resonance section had already built up some insane feedback, and your ears explode when you activate that section...
Happened to me three times. It was violent, my friends.

All this to say: I would not downplay this as something to really pay attention to. And to understand that just adjusting the trim pots for input volume is NOT the only solution.


I´m VERY sorry, this´s gonne be a Novel.

No, not written out of some overly big self esteem.
the guys who think so: please put me on ignore...........just move along !! thanks
....................................................................


my observations on that "feedback issue".......feedback going nuts and "distortion issues" with feedback :
( only speaking about the delay section, leaving the comb section totally out )

_1. its a good, well, necessary thing to know that some parameters are interacting.
Thats mainly: which feedback tap# is set in the feedback tap- setting.
The REALLY dangerous setting is when its set to ALL !!! watch this !!
Then has the grainsize also a dramatic influence (mainly refering right now to the ALL setting where i´m just coming from ).
the next factor is the Grid/Beat setting. 16/1 ( the fastest setting) is the most delicate one.

so in short: the faster things run ( all time related settings together) , the quicker has a increasement of the feedback freaking out the things !
The point here is: the difference between settings can be really dramatic.
if you know what relations to watch, does it becomes simple to get the hang for it.
watching the level screen is helping to get an idea where things freak out, but probably not much further. my experience. you need to get the hang for the relations.
Things can distort allready at indicated FB levels of under 20% !! .......read below.

In the ( feedback tap#) ALL setting, and grainsize set to the smallest number, is a feedback setting ( speaking about the hardware knob bottom left on the panel) above 9 allready dangerous !! watch this !!
at 10 o´clock is the feedback allready freaking out........
if grainsize is set to the biggest happens this much slower. You can crank then the feedback in a jam even up to 1 o´clock for a moment, while you cannot when grainsize is set to its smallest size.

next thing, distortion and feedback:
there is definitly also a massiv difference of how fast distortion can appear related to pitch settings.
Pitch down settings can have a massiv influence in how fast things are driving into distortion ! can be very fast ( allready at low FB indication in the screen, under 20%)
not saying the level meter screen is unnecessary, but in real live......jam situation......is it the much faster way to just get used to how much you can crank the feedback, and for how long ( be FAST, haha !)......in relation to which settings you´re in.
its really simple to get the hang assoon you understand that this is a linear thing. Nothing chaotic. the logic is given.

As sayed:
Just check the [feedback tap# ] setting first. The ALL setting is the dangerous one ! .........while its also a rewarding one


distortion:
i disagree somehow with what the intellijel crew and others have stated.
the Rainmaker is very prone to distortions , that aplies assoon you pitch down. Also (as stated) in dependence to the frequenzy content of the input signal.
( I played so far mostly piano thru the rainmaker, so i´ve had quite a good control and overview of what i do.)
I often run my input level so low that it is even barely visible on the meter display.
wanna say: to think: " hey, i just run all my levels not over 80% helps nothing".
probably make that mark ( for the FB meter) more around the 20% level for pitched down sounds.
if you´re picky on distortion probably even more down to 15% or 10%. ( FB meter)
.........thats as the feedback raises ! that doesn´t mean you can´t have feedbacks going without a distortion.
it just means that you have to take down that cranked feedback BEVORE the display will tell you that you are allready up too much. thats all.


hope my english was readable.
mqtthiqs
Funky40 wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.


Well, I wouldn't call it an "issue", but there is a lot of processing going on, and managing the gain staging throughout the module is definitely a pretty important task.
As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.

There is a separate screen for monitoring the levels at all stages, which is super useful to see where the levels go nuts. But even with that, in my experience so far, it's easy for feedback or resonance to flare up unexpectedly. There are so many places in the processing chain where various rsonance and feedback values can spiral out, especially if you are feeding the module varied signals (and I am not just saying varied in volume, but in terms of tonal balance).

So, to me, definitely a challenging beast.

Something to watch out for is situations where you might be working with a setup that has the delay section enabled, but resonance turned off, and you are adjusting your levels or whatever. AND if you do not have the level monitoring screen up, and you think to yourself, oh, I wonder what this will sound like with resonance on, and you just tap that button, only to realize that the resonance section had already built up some insane feedback, and your ears explode when you activate that section...
Happened to me three times. It was violent, my friends.

All this to say: I would not downplay this as something to really pay attention to. And to understand that just adjusting the trim pots for input volume is NOT the only solution.


I´m VERY sorry, this´s gonne be a Novel.

No, not written out of some overly big self esteem.
the guys who think so: please put me on ignore...........just move along !! thanks
....................................................................


my observations on that "feedback issue".......feedback going nuts and "distortion issues" with feedback :
( only speaking about the delay section, leaving the comb section totally out )

_1. its a good, well, necessary thing to know that some parameters are interacting.
Thats mainly: which feedback tap# is set in the feedback tap- setting.
The REALLY dangerous setting is when its set to ALL !!! watch this !!
Then has the grainsize also a dramatic influence (mainly refering right now to the ALL setting where i´m just coming from ).
the next factor is the Grid/Beat setting. 16/1 ( the fastest setting) is the most delicate one.

so in short: the faster things run ( all time related settings together) , the quicker has a increasement of the feedback freaking out the things !
The point here is: the difference between settings can be really dramatic.
if you know what relations to watch, does it becomes simple to get the hang for it.
watching the level screen is helping to get an idea where things freak out, but probably not much further. my experience. you need to get the hang for the relations.
Things can distort allready at indicated FB levels of under 20% !! .......read below.

In the ( feedback tap#) ALL setting, and grainsize set to the smallest number, is a feedback setting ( speaking about the hardware knob bottom left on the panel) above 9 allready dangerous !! watch this !!
at 10 o´clock is the feedback allready freaking out........
if grainsize is set to the biggest happens this much slower. You can crank then the feedback in a jam even up to 1 o´clock for a moment, while you cannot when grainsize is set to its smallest size.

next thing, distortion and feedback:
there is definitly also a massiv difference of how fast distortion can appear related to pitch settings.
Pitch down settings can have a massiv influence in how fast things are driving into distortion ! can be very fast ( allready at low FB indication in the screen, under 20%)
not saying the level meter screen is unnecessary, but in real live......jam situation......is it the much faster way to just get used to how much you can crank the feedback, and for how long ( be FAST, haha !)......in relation to which settings you´re in.
its really simple to get the hang assoon you understand that this is a linear thing. Nothing chaotic. the logic is given.

As sayed:
Just check the [feedback tap# ] setting first. The ALL setting is the dangerous one ! .........while its also a rewarding one


distortion:
i disagree somehow with what the intellijel crew and others have stated.
the Rainmaker is very prone to distortions , that aplies assoon you pitch down. Also (as stated) in dependence to the frequenzy content of the input signal.
( I played so far mostly piano thru the rainmaker, so i´ve had quite a good control and overview of what i do.)
I often run my input level so low that it is even barely visible on the meter display.
wanna say: to think: " hey, i just run all my levels not over 80% helps nothing".
probably make that mark ( for the FB meter) more around the 20% level for pitched down sounds.
if you´re picky on distortion probably even more down to 15% or 10%. ( FB meter)
.........thats as the feedback raises ! that doesn´t mean you can´t have feedbacks going without a distortion.
it just means that you have to take down that cranked feedback BEVORE the display will tell you that you are allready up too much. thats all.


hope my english was readable.


TL;DR
Funky40
mqtthiqs wrote:


TL;DR

...........but you feel the urgent need to throw my TL;DR post a second time to everybodys head ?
without the full quote would your post have been a statement of truth, now it just states something else.............
lol
johnwynberg
I agree on the meter levels… It depends on the configuration, but most of the time if the meters are showing more than 20%, that’s already a warning for me. They can very easily jump from 20% to 80% and then there is more chance of a danger situation. Having said that, I haven’t had many unpleasant feedback situations with it, even when I use the full randomise function. But I usually keep an eye on my levels, and I like them low, very low… I love some feedback and distortion at very low levels. Also, I love Eurorack modules that are not entirely safe, that one needs to approach with caution. Perhaps a ‘Dangerous Feedback’ note needs to be added to the Warnings, after the one about overly antagonising your band’s drummer. twisted
dB4u
so excited to try this bad boy out!
greenanother
@jjclark

Is the time parameter linked/the same as the delay clock? I've been enjoying changing time with the encoder, but find adjusting time via the clock input to be inconsistent. Any chance we could see the time parameter assignable to one of the Mod. busses? Even if it's inconsistent as well, I'd rather use the Mod. knob than possibly wear out the encoder pressing and turning it over and over as a performance tool.

Or am I completely misunderstanding something here?
L.C.O.
johnwynberg wrote:
I agree on the meter levels… It depends on the configuration, but most of the time if the meters are showing more than 20%, that’s already a warning for me. They can very easily jump from 20% to 80% and then there is more chance of a danger situation. Having said that, I haven’t had many unpleasant feedback situations with it, even when I use the full randomise function. But I usually keep an eye on my levels, and I like them low, very low… I love some feedback and distortion at very low levels. Also, I love Eurorack modules that are not entirely safe, that one needs to approach with caution. Perhaps a ‘Dangerous Feedback’ note needs to be added to the Warnings, after the one about overly antagonising your band’s drummer. twisted


In terms of feedback, since we are on the general subject, I would say that this perhaps is a design issue. As an example I would bring up ErbeVerb, which has, to me, an incredibly sophisticated feedback aspect to it. One can do a lot of creative things with the feedback emerging from infinite reverb, and/or self oscillating feedback there. BUT I never had any incident where the sound just totally explodes or builds up instantly to extreme (and with headphones on dangerous) levels. In fact, even further, with the CV "level" output featured on the module, one can even further, creatively dampen, or dynamically attenuate any specific parameters that affect feedback loop.

I am bringing this up as an example of a design that could easily be prone to destructive feedback problem, but instead it elegantly controls it, or gives the user the ability to do so.
greenanother
L.C.O. wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
I agree on the meter levels… It depends on the configuration, but most of the time if the meters are showing more than 20%, that’s already a warning for me. They can very easily jump from 20% to 80% and then there is more chance of a danger situation. Having said that, I haven’t had many unpleasant feedback situations with it, even when I use the full randomise function. But I usually keep an eye on my levels, and I like them low, very low… I love some feedback and distortion at very low levels. Also, I love Eurorack modules that are not entirely safe, that one needs to approach with caution. Perhaps a ‘Dangerous Feedback’ note needs to be added to the Warnings, after the one about overly antagonising your band’s drummer. twisted


In terms of feedback, since we are on the general subject, I would say that this perhaps is a design issue. As an example I would bring up ErbeVerb, which has, to me, an incredibly sophisticated feedback aspect to it. One can do a lot of creative things with the feedback emerging from infinite reverb, and/or self oscillating feedback there. BUT I never had any incident where the sound just totally explodes or builds up instantly to extreme (and with headphones on dangerous) levels. In fact, even further, with the CV "level" output featured on the module, one can even further, creatively dampen, or dynamically attenuate any specific parameters that affect feedback loop.

I am bringing this up as an example of a design that could easily be prone to destructive feedback problem, but instead it elegantly controls it, or gives the user the ability to do so.


When you write CV "level" are you speaking to the Rainmaker or Erbeverb? And is your last statement a positive one about Rainmaker or Erbeverb? I got a bit lost on that, sorry...
Patate le mage
Funky40 : i'm agree with your analyse, especially the one concerning the size grain parameter, on 1 it's very sensitive and one has to be cautious.
The solution to avoid problems for me is the compressor, in live situation i think it's a necessity.
On the other hand i think that when we'll have a better undestood of the module it'll be interesting to play close to the edge of the distorsion and feedback.
L.C.O.
greenanother wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
I agree on the meter levels… It depends on the configuration, but most of the time if the meters are showing more than 20%, that’s already a warning for me. They can very easily jump from 20% to 80% and then there is more chance of a danger situation. Having said that, I haven’t had many unpleasant feedback situations with it, even when I use the full randomise function. But I usually keep an eye on my levels, and I like them low, very low… I love some feedback and distortion at very low levels. Also, I love Eurorack modules that are not entirely safe, that one needs to approach with caution. Perhaps a ‘Dangerous Feedback’ note needs to be added to the Warnings, after the one about overly antagonising your band’s drummer. twisted


In terms of feedback, since we are on the general subject, I would say that this perhaps is a design issue. As an example I would bring up ErbeVerb, which has, to me, an incredibly sophisticated feedback aspect to it. One can do a lot of creative things with the feedback emerging from infinite reverb, and/or self oscillating feedback there. BUT I never had any incident where the sound just totally explodes or builds up instantly to extreme (and with headphones on dangerous) levels. In fact, even further, with the CV "level" output featured on the module, one can even further, creatively dampen, or dynamically attenuate any specific parameters that affect feedback loop.

I am bringing this up as an example of a design that could easily be prone to destructive feedback problem, but instead it elegantly controls it, or gives the user the ability to do so.


When you write CV "level" are you speaking to the Rainmaker or Erbeverb? And is your last statement a positive one about Rainmaker or Erbeverb? I got a bit lost on that, sorry...


Sorry about confusion.
My whole note was about ErbeVerb, which in my opinion is an excellent example of handling/controlling feedback.

I know this is a Rainmaker discussion thread, but I thought it would be a good reference point to bring up when talking about feedback handling in design etc.
exper
The way I see it, is that sure, a module can be designed to be safe, and always have 'pleasing' output, but really that limits a lot. Perhaps the same settings that on one input creates crazy noise, can on another, really create something amazing. There's a lot of great stuff found 'right on the edge'.

I used to think the modcan dual delay had way too extreme of a resonance on its filter, but once I learned to control it with cv and modulating the filter frequency along with it, it yielded great sounds.
greenanother
L.C.O. wrote:
greenanother wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
johnwynberg wrote:
I agree on the meter levels… It depends on the configuration, but most of the time if the meters are showing more than 20%, that’s already a warning for me. They can very easily jump from 20% to 80% and then there is more chance of a danger situation. Having said that, I haven’t had many unpleasant feedback situations with it, even when I use the full randomise function. But I usually keep an eye on my levels, and I like them low, very low… I love some feedback and distortion at very low levels. Also, I love Eurorack modules that are not entirely safe, that one needs to approach with caution. Perhaps a ‘Dangerous Feedback’ note needs to be added to the Warnings, after the one about overly antagonising your band’s drummer. twisted


In terms of feedback, since we are on the general subject, I would say that this perhaps is a design issue. As an example I would bring up ErbeVerb, which has, to me, an incredibly sophisticated feedback aspect to it. One can do a lot of creative things with the feedback emerging from infinite reverb, and/or self oscillating feedback there. BUT I never had any incident where the sound just totally explodes or builds up instantly to extreme (and with headphones on dangerous) levels. In fact, even further, with the CV "level" output featured on the module, one can even further, creatively dampen, or dynamically attenuate any specific parameters that affect feedback loop.

I am bringing this up as an example of a design that could easily be prone to destructive feedback problem, but instead it elegantly controls it, or gives the user the ability to do so.


When you write CV "level" are you speaking to the Rainmaker or Erbeverb? And is your last statement a positive one about Rainmaker or Erbeverb? I got a bit lost on that, sorry...


Sorry about confusion.
My whole note was about ErbeVerb, which in my opinion is an excellent example of handling/controlling feedback.

I know this is a Rainmaker discussion thread, but I thought it would be a good reference point to bring up when talking about feedback handling in design etc.


No problem. Thanks for clearing that up; makes sense.

Honestly, I think the solution (which some may not want to hear) is that because of how many factors are involved, folks are going to have to dive in deep and customize the Rainmaker parameters every time something in a patch changes. This is especially because the timbre and tone of any particular patch (and whether it leans percussive or not in my experience) greatly affects the end result going into Rainmaker.

This might seem like an obvious statement, but there is a moment of realization when a "preset" you've created sounds lovely in one patch, and creates awful feedback when used in another. It doesn't mean the preset you created is now unusable, it just means the the current patch you have doesn't marry well with it (and therefore needs it's own custom preset).

This can be seen as deep and interesting, or somewhat of a nuisance if you were hoping that you were going to throw all the CV modulation you have at Rainmaker and wiggle the knobs until you reached some kind of delay-induced Nirvana.
L.C.O.
exper wrote:
[...]

I used to think the modcan dual delay had way too extreme of a resonance on its filter, but once I learned to control it with cv and modulating the filter frequency along with it, it yielded great sounds.


Totally... I ultimately sold my Modcan delay precisely because of that! :-)
johnwynberg
L.C.O. wrote:

In terms of feedback, since we are on the general subject, I would say that this perhaps is a design issue. As an example I would bring up ErbeVerb, which has, to me, an incredibly sophisticated feedback aspect to it. One can do a lot of creative things with the feedback emerging from infinite reverb, and/or self oscillating feedback there. BUT I never had any incident where the sound just totally explodes or builds up instantly to extreme (and with headphones on dangerous) levels. In fact, even further, with the CV "level" output featured on the module, one can even further, creatively dampen, or dynamically attenuate any specific parameters that affect feedback loop.

I am bringing this up as an example of a design that could easily be prone to destructive feedback problem, but instead it elegantly controls it, or gives the user the ability to do so.


Though I'm relatively new to playing with feedback (at the moment exploring feedback loops with the Black Locust), I feel feedback needs to have the potential to be dangerous, excessive, otherwise it’s dull. Yes, the CV Out in the Erbe-Verb is a good addition, but so far I have had more feedback scares with the infinite delay, than with the Rainmaker. Of course, I have had the Erbe-Verb for longer… Also, the Rainmaker has a lot more of parameters than the Erbe-Verb, which, though some can be assigned to the MOD A and B, it would have been impractical to give us CV access to all of them, as Make Noise managed to do with the Erbe-Verb.

Anyway, I don’t want to mention other modules by name, since they are also great, but one of the things I like about the Rainmaker, in comparison to them (and I'm not thinking about the Erbe-Verb here), is that it seems to give me more freedom… whilst those other modules, I feel more restricted (again, this is relative, in comparison to the Rainmaker) to stay within some more ‘musical’ results, if you like.
dmod
Funky40 wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
dmod wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Patate le mage wrote:
Cortega wrote:
am i the only one hearing on allmost every demo, sound clip a bad feedback noise distortion ? the official clips, the Cylonix clips and still on the user clips.

is the feedback so hard to tame on this thing ?


Yes, i have noticed that also, on the official cylonix old demos it was obvious, but some of the users demos are very clean, i think that as on the shapeshifter you can obtain crystal clear or very noisy results. i'll tell you more in two days after i'll test mine.



thanx a lot, i consider to buy the Rainmaker,
looking forward to hear some user statement regarding this because i like all the demo sounds a lot except this feedback distortion.
I too am a little concerned about easily clipping inputs. Drives me crazy. I will wait to hear more about this before I drop $635 and always trying to tame distortion. hmmm.....


There are input attenuators for both inputs, so this isn't an issue. If you keep those attenuators at noon or less, it's really not an issue.


Well, I wouldn't call it an "issue", but there is a lot of processing going on, and managing the gain staging throughout the module is definitely a pretty important task.
As was mentioned above: just scanning through presents will produce some wild fluctuations in volume, and, mind you these are the factory presets, so theoretically, each preset should have the best optimal settings dialed in.

There is a separate screen for monitoring the levels at all stages, which is super useful to see where the levels go nuts. But even with that, in my experience so far, it's easy for feedback or resonance to flare up unexpectedly. There are so many places in the processing chain where various rsonance and feedback values can spiral out, especially if you are feeding the module varied signals (and I am not just saying varied in volume, but in terms of tonal balance).

So, to me, definitely a challenging beast.

Something to watch out for is situations where you might be working with a setup that has the delay section enabled, but resonance turned off, and you are adjusting your levels or whatever. AND if you do not have the level monitoring screen up, and you think to yourself, oh, I wonder what this will sound like with resonance on, and you just tap that button, only to realize that the resonance section had already built up some insane feedback, and your ears explode when you activate that section...
Happened to me three times. It was violent, my friends.

All this to say: I would not downplay this as something to really pay attention to. And to understand that just adjusting the trim pots for input volume is NOT the only solution.


I´m VERY sorry, this´s gonne be a Novel.

No, not written out of some overly big self esteem.
the guys who think so: please put me on ignore...........just move along !! thanks
....................................................................


my observations on that "feedback issue".......feedback going nuts and "distortion issues" with feedback :
( only speaking about the delay section, leaving the comb section totally out )

_1. its a good, well, necessary thing to know that some parameters are interacting.
Thats mainly: which feedback tap# is set in the feedback tap- setting.
The REALLY dangerous setting is when its set to ALL !!! watch this !!
Then has the grainsize also a dramatic influence (mainly refering right now to the ALL setting where i´m just coming from ).
the next factor is the Grid/Beat setting. 16/1 ( the fastest setting) is the most delicate one.

so in short: the faster things run ( all time related settings together) , the quicker has a increasement of the feedback freaking out the things !
The point here is: the difference between settings can be really dramatic.
if you know what relations to watch, does it becomes simple to get the hang for it.
watching the level screen is helping to get an idea where things freak out, but probably not much further. my experience. you need to get the hang for the relations.
Things can distort allready at indicated FB levels of under 20% !! .......read below.

In the ( feedback tap#) ALL setting, and grainsize set to the smallest number, is a feedback setting ( speaking about the hardware knob bottom left on the panel) above 9 allready dangerous !! watch this !!
at 10 o´clock is the feedback allready freaking out........
if grainsize is set to the biggest happens this much slower. You can crank then the feedback in a jam even up to 1 o´clock for a moment, while you cannot when grainsize is set to its smallest size.

next thing, distortion and feedback:
there is definitly also a massiv difference of how fast distortion can appear related to pitch settings.
Pitch down settings can have a massiv influence in how fast things are driving into distortion ! can be very fast ( allready at low FB indication in the screen, under 20%)
not saying the level meter screen is unnecessary, but in real live......jam situation......is it the much faster way to just get used to how much you can crank the feedback, and for how long ( be FAST, haha !)......in relation to which settings you´re in.
its really simple to get the hang assoon you understand that this is a linear thing. Nothing chaotic. the logic is given.

As sayed:
Just check the [feedback tap# ] setting first. The ALL setting is the dangerous one ! .........while its also a rewarding one


distortion:
i disagree somehow with what the intellijel crew and others have stated.
the Rainmaker is very prone to distortions , that aplies assoon you pitch down. Also (as stated) in dependence to the frequenzy content of the input signal.
( I played so far mostly piano thru the rainmaker, so i´ve had quite a good control and overview of what i do.)
I often run my input level so low that it is even barely visible on the meter display.
wanna say: to think: " hey, i just run all my levels not over 80% helps nothing".
probably make that mark ( for the FB meter) more around the 20% level for pitched down sounds.
if you´re picky on distortion probably even more down to 15% or 10%. ( FB meter)
.........thats as the feedback raises ! that doesn´t mean you can´t have feedbacks going without a distortion.
it just means that you have to take down that cranked feedback BEVORE the display will tell you that you are allready up too much. thats all.


hope my english was readable.
Yeah thats a bummer. for such and amazing device with so much work into it and a hefty price tag I would think they would have the gain staging in better order. I don't care what anyone says I hear distortion in almost every demo I have heard. I have many effects units and sure you dont want the input turned all the way p but sounds like this one is ultra sensitive. Do I still want it? Yes! It can really slow down your work flow when you are always worried about distorting signals though. confused
Patate le mage
The rainmaker is a nice source of sound himself, all you have to do is pinging the filter's tap with a trig :

Only two modules for this one.
Pamela out into L Input of rainmaker.
Pamela out into trig in of rainmaker.
Trig on rainmaker is random and random is filter cutoff.
The trig from pamela ping the filters on rainmaker. ( res on 10 for 3 taps and those taps are bandpass filter)
The modulations are hand made.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/patate-le-mage/clocks[/s]
Funky40
i would like to make something clear to avoid some misunderstanding:
my post was meant in full extent to be a positiv one ! yes ?
i wanted to help other users to understand some interdependency, mainly in regards to "working" with cranking the feedback.
If you understand the interdependency, which is easy, things are handable afterwards. it is a logic thing !
nothing confusing..........while such discussions can lead to thinking that it is wink

I also have not critisized how the level meters are acting.
it is as it is.
you need to get the hang for: how much you can crank that feedback pot in dependence on grainsize, grid-beat setting and i guess also overall tempo.
the meters alone won´t save you from nothing. It would be misleading if one would point alone to the meters.
......which has been donne somehow. on that subject my critics, yes.

i worked so far mainly with my Piano ( a rompler/workstation) with the Rainmaker.
it was very rewarding so far. It totally suits for out of modular works !


Rainmaker pairs btw. exeptionally well with Clouds ( afterwards) and also Warps ....for me in "binaural-Doppler.Panner" mode at the end of that chain.
...........and ofcourse a Comp (19") at the very end of the whole signalchain.
for live probably a must if you like cranking the feedback lol
Funky40
I share the opinion that the feedback situation might have some space for further improvements of the coding but i do not expect here anything.
I´m fine with as is........finally
where i would ask for improvements is the crackling noises "issue" when tweaking the "grain" parameter.
Thats unwanted and unnice. Mostly for the Delay-line section.
but it seems that the CMB section would win also from some refinement.

personally i´m under the opinion that to enhance and to finish very complex software takes years.
you stumble over such statements everywhere.
so, not shure if the erbeverb was just based on fresh work from Tom Erbe ?
probably not.

what definitly is given on the rainmaker is that the pitching sounds good !
i like it.
probably was quite some effort given into this.........
Upright
Here's something a bit on the mellow side using 2 taps.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFzgMPuLO9Q/?taken-by=upr1ght
Zymos
This thing is made for good old fashioned "space music".
Here's Rings with a Brownian sequence from Metropolis. I'm sending it through the delay side only, a few tweaks to a 3 tap delay while its playing, but mostly just changing some parameters in Rings. I could do this for hours, even if no one else wanted to listen to it for hours...


[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/rm3[/s]
exper
Zymos, that sounds great!
Zymos
I know! And thanks.

But it's so easy to get great sounds out of these things...!
greenanother
exper wrote:
Zymos, that sounds great!


+1 nanners
Zymos
If you tolerated that one, there's a fair chance you'd put up with this one too!
This is Morphing Terrarium, going through a simliar RM patch, but with the comb filter also.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/rm4[/s]
MatrixModulator
Is there a demo of someone using a sequence or something like that into the rainmaker and scrolling the presets one after one?
Zymos
Yes, at least one, a few pages back. But it really is dependant on both the source and the modulations- there are so many variables that some settings will sound terrible at some times, but work well at others.
Upright
Day 2 with RM


I can definitely say the Karplus strong stuff that RM does goes cannot be done with Rings, Element nor Mysteron....truly incredible. Without being able to fully explain what's going on, It's like you have full control over the very fundamentals of what makes Karplus strong what it is and it would seem that you can go in to and out of Karplus strong or be any where in-between. grin
johnwynberg
Upright wrote:
Day 2 with RM


I can definitely say the Karplus strong stuff that RM does goes cannot be done with Rings, Element nor Mysteron....truly incredible. Without being able to fully explain what's going on, It's like you have full control over the very fundamentals of what makes Karplus strong what it is and it would seem that you can go in to and out of Karplus strong or be any where in-between. grin


Exactly my feeling. I didn't want to say the names, so as not to start a war about which one is the best or which one can replace the other... I'm keeping them all, they all have their strengths, but currently I'm feeling I got more freedom with the Rainmaker.
Upright
johnwynberg wrote:


Exactly my feeling. I didn't want to say the names, so as not to start a war about which one is the best or which one can replace the other... I'm keeping them all, they all have their strengths, but currently I'm feeling I got more freedom with the Rainmaker.



Absolutley...I'm Keeping all three as well but I totally agree RM has a huge sonic palette.
exper
KS is something I haven't even tried yet with the RM. now I can't wait to get home and try it. Is there a specific preset I should start out with?
Upright
exper wrote:
KS is something I haven't even tried yet with the RM. now I can't wait to get home and try it. Is there a specific preset I should start out with?



To be honest I've been reading the manual and flying through the presets lol....I know it was definitely one of the presets I was adjusting but I don't remember which one. My apologies Exper.
exper
Upright wrote:
exper wrote:
KS is something I haven't even tried yet with the RM. now I can't wait to get home and try it. Is there a specific preset I should start out with?



To be honest I've been reading the manual and flying through the presets lol....I know it was definitely one of the presets I was adjusting but I don't remember which one. My apologies Exper.


No worries! It's not like my arm needs to be twisted to spend time exploring the RM. smile
Warpsmasher
The best thing about this patch is the way the Trog beefs up the Peaks drums, but I wanted to share a quickie just to show off the meters. love
The preset is one I made for switching between different configurations on the fly, and sounds good on just about anything I put through it. The patch itself is pretty glitchy and crumbly, but you can hear some nice smoothness from the RM coming through in certain spots.

Patch notes:
Intellijel Rainmaker delay and resonator preset, used on Mutable Instruments Warps oscillator. Meng Qi Voltage memory (in trigger sequencer mode) is sending 2 triggers to the Make Noise Mult, which then sends them as one signal into the DPLPG, which is being modulated by the Wogglebug's stepped CV. From there the signal goes into Warps to play the oscillator, which is being cross-modulated by another summed voltage signal from the Doepfer A-147-2V, and the audio goes straight into the Rainmaker. The drums from Peaks are also being played by triggers from the Voltage Memory, and going through the mighty Trogotronic m277.
Funky40
edit: wait.....sorry / **



edit again: sorry, it was a very embarassing usererror.
oops oops
dmod
So this seems to be a very powerful and good sounding unit but this is modular afterall so I was wondering if anyone has dove into modulating any parameters with cv yet and what their experience was with this? Does this unit take advavtage of that fact it is in a modular format? Very curious. Thanks.
Daisuk
dmod wrote:
So this seems to be a very powerful and good sounding unit but this is modular afterall so I was wondering if anyone has dove into modulating any parameters with cv yet and what their experience was with this? Does this unit take advavtage of that fact it is in a modular format? Very curious. Thanks.


Very much so! You can for instance assign the trigger button to randomize certain parameters, which always seem to work well. Also, doing some subtle modulation to mod a and b, usually yields interesting results. The good thing is you can decide for yourself what mod a and b should modulate, depending on the patch you have going there's all kinds of magic stuff you can get out of it. Subtlety is key though, in my opinion, which the built in attenuverters for the mod inputs will allow. smile
Upright
dmod wrote:
So this seems to be a very powerful and good sounding unit but this is modular afterall so I was wondering if anyone has dove into modulating any parameters with cv yet and what their experience was with this? Does this unit take advavtage of that fact it is in a modular format? Very curious. Thanks.



I'm modulating the cutoff filter of one of the taps in this video -



https://instagram.com/p/BF2rsSDrO4Y/
Funky40
so has here nobody else a noticeable FX signal bleeding thru when the MIX pot is set to full-dry/CCW ?
Zymos
I haven't, but was going to try later and specifically listen for that.
dhoinjo
Funky40 wrote:
so has here nobody else a noticeable FX signal bleeding thru when the MIX pot is set to full-dry/CCW ?


nope. Mine is clean fully CCW.

Had mine for two days now and haven't been away from it since it arrived basically. What an incredible module.
Upright
Funky40 wrote:
so has here nobody else a noticeable FX signal bleeding thru when the MIX pot is set to full-dry/CCW ?


No problems here.
Funky40
Ahhh, Thank Ya´All !
this helped ALOTS,
cause it found the problem now: The User ! oops
User error. Very embarassing. SORRY
ether
Just ordered from Perfect Circuit, with Memorial Day sale price SlayerBadger!
Chartreuse-J
Got mine a week ago and loving it.

Here is a cover of Aphex Twin's "Piano Until it Happened"

ER101 to Furthrrrr Generator Square to Metasonix R55 to Metasonix RK2 to Rainmaker.

Envelope used: Terminal.

Recorded in 16bit like a newb but the levels are off so sue me.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/jason-m-9/piano10untilcover[/s]
Fiddlestickz
warpsmasher your demo was awesome...and I was listening on my crappy old 2009 macbook.. thumbs up
Warpsmasher
Hey, thanks. Here's a longer one on drums/cymbals- taking clock from the Voltage Memory, going through a bunch of presets with different clock divisions and minor mix adjustments...



Patch notes in the video description.
Zymos
The notes for Richard Devine's presets are now up.
Of course, we're all too cool to use presets, just thought I'd mention it anyway. cool
ibzieg
Here's a tip for Karplus-Strong patches:

The default Karplus-Strong preset uses "Ping Input" as the trigger destination. This is really just a convenience, you can simply use an external VCA+EG to ping the Comb input, and free up that Trigger input to assign to something else.

For example, lately I have been using the DLY -> L and CMB -> R routing mode which allows you to use each section as an independent module. This way you are free to assign the Trigger to something else in the DELAY section, while simultaneously having a K-S voice in the COMB section without relying on the Trigger to "Ping Input".
carvingcode
Picked up a Rainmaker yesterday so not a lot of time with it yet. I did notice that the edgy tone of the Piston Honda sounds well with the presets. Looking forward to more time with this one.
evileye0702
Here's my first experiment I actually recorded.

Very simple patch

DPO -> Doepfer SEM filter -> Rainmaker

Rainmaker "Transform" patch slightly altered.

same Pitch CV sent to DPO is sent to Rainmaker Mod Grain Size
Trigger -> Randomize All Taps

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/267099915" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Innerself2007
Sounds great evileye0702
carvingcode
Chartreuse-J wrote:
Got mine a week ago and loving it.

Here is a cover of Aphex Twin's "Piano Until it Happened"

ER101 to Furthrrrr Generator Square to Metasonix R55 to Metasonix RK2 to Rainmaker.

Envelope used: Terminal.

Recorded in 16bit like a newb but the levels are off so sue me.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/jason-m-9/piano10untilcover[/s]


Quite nice!
flec8
Has anyone recorded a clouds style freeze sound?

I'm curious if you could do this with the rainmaker!
Spiked Lunch
Any plans to make some tutorial videos or more in depth demos?
I think I'd like to pick one up but I'd really like to see one in action.
Cata
Chartreuse-J wrote:
Got mine a week ago and loving it.

Here is a cover of Aphex Twin's "Piano Until it Happened"

ER101 to Furthrrrr Generator Square to Metasonix R55 to Metasonix RK2 to Rainmaker.

Envelope used: Terminal.

Recorded in 16bit like a newb but the levels are off so sue me.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/jason-m-9/piano10untilcover[/s]

gorgeous
carvingcode
Have been working with only the presets for the last couple of sessions. What's interesting is how different they sound based upon what sound source being fed into them.

This is a deep module of course and I've got much more to learn, but I can see my Echophon being obsoleted.
carvingcode
[sorry, double post]
Funky40
WISH:

I much much wish me to have the #Taps parameter from the CMB section as a destination for modA/modB !

Reason:
i want to wiggle that parameter while playing


yes, i do it from the main menu now.
But: there are other parameters too that want to be acessed from there.


would be an improvement in regards to jam capabilitys,
and would be MUCH welcome
Funky40
WISH:
I wish me that the noisyness when tweaking GrainSize of the CMB section would be improved !
would be MUCH welcome


more available Grain Sizes in the delay section would also be welcome,......i suspect, not shure.
mapmap
Does anyone else wish the coarse/fine encoder function was reversed?

I feel like I am usually wanting to adjust parameters in larger ways more often than finer (only making the finer adjustments after I get the parameter in the ballpark). I feel like the push+turn motion starts to get tedious.

I wonder if intellijel could make a menu setting where you could choose the encoder behavior you prefer.
milkyjoe
Hi,

Is it normal that the rainmaker makes a horible loud clipping kind of distortion if the input attenuators are too far up (like more than half way) ?

I was running a basilimus Iteritas into it and it's very hard to keep that horrible distortion under control. It happens on any preset I try.

Is this malfunctioning ??
exper
milkyjoe wrote:
Hi,

Is it normal that the rainmaker makes a horible loud clipping kind of distortion if the input attenuators are too far up (like more than half way) ?

I was running a basilimus Iteritas into it and it's very hard to keep that horrible distortion under control. It happens on any preset I try.

Is this malfunctioning ??


The input has lots of gain. Halfway is almost too much. Back it down some. The upside is that you can boost really quiet signals.
evileye0702
milkyjoe wrote:
Hi,

Is it normal that the rainmaker makes a horible loud clipping kind of distortion if the input attenuators are too far up (like more than half way) ?

I was running a basilimus Iteritas into it and it's very hard to keep that horrible distortion under control. It happens on any preset I try.

Is this malfunctioning ??


Straight from the manual

Quote:
IN The outputs of the Analog to Digital converters. This is the point where the analog input signals, INL and INR, are converted to digital form, and it is crucial that these levels be kept away from the maximum value, otherwise objectionable distortion may occur (unless you like that sort of thing). These levels can be adjusted by using the attenuator controls located directly above the INL and INR jacks. For typical Eurorack signal levels, the attenuators will be set to the 12 o’clock position. The attenuators can be turned further clockwise if lower level input signals are used.
milkyjoe
Ok, good, sorry I missed that. Thanks for the help !
thelizard
Mine arrived today. I've already recorded some great material from it. I'll try to post some demos soon!
GhostlyMostly
Will sound on sound ever be implemented, maybe in a future update or is sound on sound something Intellijel is trying to keep out of the nature of the Rainmaker?
HRTL
did anybody make some real deal musical demo of this? Im dreewling over rainmaker since it first time appeared on modulargrid and I still didnt hear doing the "stuff" Miley Cyrus
Upright
HRTL wrote:
did anybody make some real deal musical demo of this? Im dreewling over rainmaker since it first time appeared on modulargrid and I still didnt hear doing the "stuff" Miley Cyrus



There's quite a few demos out there now. I've heard some really musical stuff personal. Some stuff by Exper in this thread comes to mind.
Daisuk
Not sure if it's particularly musical, but some subtle use of Rainmaker on especially the first part of this one (the bird-like swirly part);

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/straaaler[/s]

Also the reverse sounding melody in this is courtesy of Rainmaker, but has already been posted in this thread, I think, so feel free to ignore. Mr. Green

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/bonscottbirdies[/s]
MatrixModulator
Daisuk wrote:
Not sure if it's particularly musical, but some subtle use of Rainmaker on especially the first part of this one (the bird-like swirly part);

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/straaaler[/s]

Also the reverse sounding melody in this is courtesy of Rainmaker, but has already been posted in this thread, I think, so feel free to ignore. Mr. Green

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/bonscottbirdies[/s]


Nice demos smile
Might buy one soon MY ASS IS BLEEDING
greenanother
Nice work Daisuk! What material is being fed into Rainmaker in the first track?
Funky40
+1 on above question.


I much like that work Daisuk !
reminds me of mouse on Mars, mainly the second one.
thumbs up
trax
Hallo...

This may be a RTFM questions...but how do you "activate" / change parameters on THE DISPLAY...whatever I do the screen (Display) does not change and just says "intellijel & cylonix rainmaker v1.01" hmmm..... (the display is slowly blinking on and off) All other LED's turn on and off when pressed. I have familiar with the "Buchla style" squish knob....but whatever I do I can't get the screen to change. . . .
Daisuk
Thanks, guys! funky - Mouse on Mars?! Hah, I wish! lol
It's being fed a field recording I did a few years back (loaded into Grandpa) while going through some bushes in the woods, and it goes through the Doepfer bit crusher and possibly the Three Sisters filter (I tend to use Grandpa with Three Sis) being modulated. Possibly something more in that chain too, but I can't remember (recorded the first part a few weeks ago, and the second part today).

trax - sounds very odd! Have you checked that you're not overloading your rail? Maybe a faulty loaded firmware or something. Just press the "Load" button and you should be able to load a preset straight away.
Krater
This is not normal. After powering up the display shows the welcome message you have described for few seconds and then turns to the edit page of preset 1.
Maybe you have exeeded the power limit of your case?
trax
Krater wrote:
This is not normal. After powering up the display shows the welcome message, you have described for few seconds and then turns to the edit page of preset 1.
Maybe you have exeeded the power limit of your case?



I didn't think this was normal. 5 minutes back in Euro (to test out the new stuff the kids are talking about thumbs up ) and already problems. Story of my life (and the format) hihi I contacted intellijel.

The case has plenty of power (its a 5A monorocket)...but I will go and get a backup case and give it a test. Thanks for the confirmation thumbs up .

Krater
good luck! I guess Intellijel will sort it out.
trax
Just tested it in my 8AMP case....same issue - so its defiantly not a power issue.

On close inspection of the unit - it looks like this PCB was not 'cleaned'? it has grey "gunk" hihi all over it...and when you scratch it off it turns to powder....Im sure its nothing - but have never seen this type of thing in all my years of messing with this stuff..







****never order new modules b4 the weekend - when all you want to do is relax and play. - - - it never works out ********** thumbs up
trax
Daisuk wrote:


trax - sounds very odd! Have you checked that you're not overloading your rail? Maybe a faulty loaded firmware or something. Just press the "Load" button and you should be able to load a preset straight away.


Thanks. Tested it in 2 cases. Monorocket 5AMP and 8AMP.... so power is not an issue.
exper
Sorry Trax. Have faith though, it's an amazing module. Hopefully it's just a simple thing like reflashing the firmware.
Patate le mage
Trax, my unit has the exact same grey "thing" all over it ( more than yours ), but is functionning as a charm.
I was worried when i noticed that out of the box, but didn't think about it since that time, i haven't tried to scratch it.
Krater
Mine had this grey stuff on it as well. I think it´s a residue from the factory.
You can just wipe it off.
visible cow
Kind of a random thought, but I've noticed that some of these demos sound like a hi-fi version of the effects section of the Gotharman Little Deformer (which I own). Do any Rainmaker owners happen to own both? Obviously they're very different devices but would love to hear your thoughts.
GNE
Quote:
Kind of a random thought, but I've noticed that some of these demos sound like a hi-fi version of the effects section of the Gotharman Little Deformer (which I own). Do any Rainmaker owners happen to own both? Obviously they're very different devices but would love to hear your thoughts.


I have both. The only thing they have in common is that you can mutate the original input signal into something completely unrecognizable. [ and both have delay ]. Otherwise I would say they have very little feature overlap.
jjclark
GhostlyMostly wrote:
Will sound on sound ever be implemented, maybe in a future update or is sound on sound something Intellijel is trying to keep out of the nature of the Rainmaker?


Sound-on-sound is easy to do with the Rainmaker, although maybe not as simple as on a looper pedal.

- Set the delay time to the length of your loop.
- Set the feedback to 100% (or whatever mix level you want for your sound on sound).
- Play your initial input material for a time equal to the delay time, then trigger freeze. This will loop the material. When you want to overdub, release the freeze, play the new material then turn on the freeze again.

Or, instead of using freeze, you can just set the feedback level to 100%. The problem with this is that it is hard to get the feedback to exactly 100%, whereas freeze sets it too exactly 100%. But sometimes you will want to have the feedback less than 100% so that older material fades away, leaving headroom for new stuff. And with freeze on the input is disconnected. Which is good in that you can control what gets recorded into the loop, but bad in that you have to trigger freeze at the right times. Turning freeze on turns off overdubbing, which can be useful.
GhostlyMostly
jjclark wrote:
GhostlyMostly wrote:
Will sound on sound ever be implemented, maybe in a future update or is sound on sound something Intellijel is trying to keep out of the nature of the Rainmaker?


Sound-on-sound is easy to do with the Rainmaker, although maybe not as simple as on a looper pedal.

- Set the delay time to the length of your loop.
- Set the feedback to 100% (or whatever mix level you want for your sound on sound).
- Play your initial input material for a time equal to the delay time, then trigger freeze. This will loop the material. When you want to overdub, release the freeze, play the new material then turn on the freeze again.

Or, instead of using freeze, you can just set the feedback level to 100%. The problem with this is that it is hard to get the feedback to exactly 100%, whereas freeze sets it too exactly 100%. But sometimes you will want to have the feedback less than 100% so that older material fades away, leaving headroom for new stuff. And with freeze on the input is disconnected. Which is good in that you can control what gets recorded into the loop, but bad in that you have to trigger freeze at the right times. Turning freeze on turns off overdubbing, which can be useful.


Hug
Little Otik
I am really enjoying all the sample tracks of the Rainmaker. Thanks everybody.
bkbirge
Mine's been sitting on an aux send of my mixer, haven't even put it with the rest of my euro yet. Guitars, drums, vocals, it may just stay there permanently.
Funky40
mine too, its not in the modular,
its part of my Rompler/Piano FX setup.


i ended up now btw. doing some VERY simple delay presets.
so awesome !
i thought when i saw the first panelgraphics and descriptions first that i will end up using the rainy as a "ordinary" Delay.
Just that the FSU etc. field was so intriguing at first......... lol but a good way to get a feel for some parameters.
Just that doing some one,two, three tap delays can be so rewarding ! very recommended.........but depends on what you feed.


nevertheless, i could fill a page with my critics and complaints lol wink
Funky40
here is one critique, ...well, its complaining:

Level per step:
we have 16 values to choose from.
Thats NOT enough !


just alone between value 0 and value 1 could i use........i don´t now,
i guess 8 values inbetween is what i would expect to be there, not shure if it would be sufficient.
I´m quite shure that having 4 more values inbetween would not be sufficient.

yes, its about going down into ghost notes terrain.
very rewarding. my opinion


so my wish:
blow the whole Value per step up to have 128 values.....linear / or make something unlinear.
my guess is that your thought behind the decission to restrict the Level per step values to 0-16 was to not work against fast programming, right ?
well.........you waisted quite some value and musicality. my opinion
The Illuminaire
Funky40 wrote:

yes, its about going down into ghost notes terrain.
very rewarding. my opinion


A value increment total of 128 would be awesome. Then again, I'm all about ghost notes.
trax
trax wrote:
Hallo...

This may be a RTFM questions...but how do you "activate" / change parameters on THE DISPLAY...whatever I do the screen (Display) does not change and just says "intellijel & cylonix rainmaker v1.01" hmmm..... (the display is slowly blinking on and off) All other LED's turn on and off when pressed. I have familiar with the "Buchla style" squish knob....but whatever I do I can't get the screen to change. . . .


****update 6/15/16****

It looks like my unit did have an issue and of course I know what I'm talking about. hihi

Looks like there was a mistake on the capacitor (the large blue one) that was added to the screen. The bottom leg should be attached one pin lower than it is.

Big shout out to CONTROL NYC (GREAT PEOPLE) for standing behind the sale no questions and Kamil at "intellijel" for diagnosing the issue quickly. It looks like a few may have got into the wild like this so ask your store to TEST before shipment. thumbs up Thanks Muffs Forum for all the help. thumbs up
MatrixModulator
intellijel doesnt test them before shipping out of the factory?
hmmm.....
trax
oops! double post.
Daisuk
Just wanted to chime in to say that I'm simply floored with the sonic potential of this thing. I just keep coming up with immensely satisfying textures time and again with this thing. Love it! we're not worthy zombie It's peanut butter jelly time!
Zymos
So, speaking of QC....do other people's have a second white plastic screw beneath/to the right of the tempo button?[/img]
greenanother
Another demo, but this time with modules that I would normally use in most patches (so not a clean solo of Rainmaker, but actually shows how well it plays with others):

-First 30 sec is Elements with a touch of Strymon Timeline and Big Sky.

-At around the 30 second mark, I turn up just a tad of Clouds in Spectral Madness mode.

-At around 45 seconds (until the end) is Rainmaker at around 1/2 way between dry and wet (sometimes less). I am periodically loading both factory and custom presets throughout, while Wiggling the Mod A and Mod B knobs (no other modulation of Rainmaker here).

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain[/s]
Innerself2007
Just ordered the Rainmaker from Control, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Quick question, does the unit ship with instruction manual or is it online only?
I might print it out ahead of time since I like to have it by my side while wiggling. Hate to waste paper but saves time when learning the module.
ether
Got mine today at last.

Fan-fucking-tastic! Can't make a bad sound with it, though I need to learn how to keep the feedback under control - before I blow my monitors to shreds.

Dead Banana
evileye0702
greenanother wrote:
Another demo, but this time with modules that I would normally use in most patches (so not a clean solo of Rainmaker, but actually shows how well it plays with others):

-First 30 sec is Elements with a touch of Strymon Timeline and Big Sky.

-At around the 30 second mark, I turn up just a tad of Clouds in Spectral Madness mode.

-At around 45 seconds (until the end) is Rainmaker at around 1/2 way between dry and wet (sometimes less). I am periodically loading both factory and custom presets throughout, while Wiggling the Mod A and Mod B knobs (no other modulation of Rainmaker here).

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain[/s]


Sounds a lot like my experimentation last night. It's surprisingly interesting to just browse through the presets as a piece plays especially if you time the changes right. It would be nice if they had a way to modulate the preset selection or trigger a change to the next one.
evileye0702
Innerself2007 wrote:
Just ordered the Rainmaker from Control, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Quick question, does the unit ship with instruction manual or is it online only?
I might print it out ahead of time since I like to have it by my side while wiggling. Hate to waste paper but saves time when learning the module.


No manual is included.
milkyjoe
Zymos wrote:
So, speaking of QC....do other people's have a second white plastic screw beneath/to the right of the tempo button?[/img]


I have one that is missing the same screw.
Innerself2007
evileye0702 wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
Just ordered the Rainmaker from Control, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Quick question, does the unit ship with instruction manual or is it online only?
I might print it out ahead of time since I like to have it by my side while wiggling. Hate to waste paper but saves time when learning the module.


No manual is included.


Thanks for the heads up EvilEye0702
damase
Daisuk wrote:
Not sure if it's particularly musical, but some subtle use of Rainmaker on especially the first part of this one (the bird-like swirly part);

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/straaaler[/s]

Also the reverse sounding melody in this is courtesy of Rainmaker, but has already been posted in this thread, I think, so feel free to ignore. Mr. Green

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/bonscottbirdies[/s]


really inspiring demos and great music

does anyone else have demos featuring the taps stacked on top for chord type effects? preferably used in a musical context like this i would love to hear the flexibility of the RM as an effect module+sound source at the same time

id also like info.. how is everyone feeling for this as a good tool for a live show? it sounds like you have to be careful with the feedback, but other than that, does it seem like its easy to explore quickly and intuitively and cover several angles of a live show depending on how youre using it?
Warpsmasher


Patch notes (short version):Clean boosted ipod audio (gated through DPLPG) into the left channel, Karp into the right. The chirpy rezfilter bursts are going through the Demora.
Clicked through the editing buttons to show some details of the preset. Full patch details in the video description.
realshafer
damase wrote:

does anyone else have demos featuring the taps stacked on top for chord type effects? preferably used in a musical context like this i would love to hear the flexibility of the RM as an effect module+sound source at the same time


Here's a quick demo I just whipped up showing the piles feature on the Rainmaker. I fed the module a steady, filtered pulse and set piles to "4 of 4" at 16th note divisions. I tuned each of the taps to make 4 note chords, using the tap mutes to vary the result. I also wiggled the grain quantity and size, the feedback tap#, and the global pitch shift.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/269765852" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Upright
realshafer


Very nice work.
realshafer
Thanks Upright.

I made another demo showing more of the piles feature. It's similar to the first piles demo in that I'm using just a filtered pulse. This time I'm using the setting "1 of 16" to make a 16-note chord. A big difference between this and the previous demo is that I'm splitting the delay section output to my mixer and into the Rainmaker's comb section. In the comb section I'm playing with the comb size as well as the mix between the comb and delay outputs at the mixer.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/269795824" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
exper
realshafer wrote:
Thanks Upright.

I made another demo showing more of the piles feature. It's similar to the first piles demo in that I'm using just a filtered pulse. This time I'm using the setting "1 of 16" to make a 16-note chord. A big difference between this and the previous demo is that I'm splitting the delay section output to my mixer and into the Rainmaker's comb section. In the comb section I'm playing with the comb size as well as the mix between the comb and delay outputs at the mixer.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/269795824" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


applause That's really great sounding.
damase
really great stuff. thank you for that. the rainmaker has such a good sound and covers so much range it seems. definitely need one
Cortega
trax wrote:
Just tested it in my 8AMP case....same issue - so its defiantly not a power issue.

On close inspection of the unit - it looks like this PCB was not 'cleaned'? it has grey "gunk" hihi all over it...and when you scratch it off it turns to powder....Im sure its nothing - but have never seen this type of thing in all my years of messing with this stuff..







****never order new modules b4 the weekend - when all you want to do is relax and play. - - - it never works out ********** thumbs up



this is incredible bad QC !
revoltcrews
so, super curious...
Is there a button combo or something to get the Rainmaker to its default factory shipped state ? an Init for all presets ?
after mucking about with tons of presets and such.
kisielk
revoltcrews wrote:
so, super curious...
Is there a button combo or something to get the Rainmaker to its default factory shipped state ? an Init for all presets ?
after mucking about with tons of presets and such.


You can download the Sysex for the factory presets from our website and then load it over the display USB MIDI interface using Sysex Librarian or similar software. Instructions are in the manual.
johnwynberg
kisielk wrote:
revoltcrews wrote:
so, super curious...
Is there a button combo or something to get the Rainmaker to its default factory shipped state ? an Init for all presets ?
after mucking about with tons of presets and such.


You can download the Sysex for the factory presets from our website and then load it over the display USB MIDI interface using Sysex Librarian or similar software. Instructions are in the manual.


On the Intellijel webpage, I can't see the link to download the factory presets. Can you provide us a link?

Also, any news on the promised video explaining how to download and upload presets? Thanks to your help before, I managed to download a copy of all the factory presets, after messing up a few, but on a Mac, I don’t know of a Sysex editor that would allow me to send specific command strings, to download and upload single presets.
Innerself2007
Received shipment of the Rainmaker on Friday, had a few hours to play with it over the weekend and I have to say I am really impressed. Basically just going through the presets, stopping at some and finding out how the sound is achieved by diving through the menus.
A little overwhelming at first but after a while its pretty easy to navigate around. Buttons are laid out nice with immediate feedback being displayed on the screen.
Still wrapping my head around certain concepts but should be there in time.
Basic and boring sequencer patterns are turned into a whole new sounds and patterns when going through the Rainmaker.
I agree with others about clipping and levels especially when going through presets, but once you settle on a preset and adjust your levels everything sounds glorious.
FYI I had the white gunk on my board that others have reported.
All in all a great module, very deep. Cant imagine getting bored of this anytime soon. The sounds one could achieve from this module are endless.
Cant wait to get back to it.
kisielk
johnwynberg wrote:
kisielk wrote:
revoltcrews wrote:
so, super curious...
Is there a button combo or something to get the Rainmaker to its default factory shipped state ? an Init for all presets ?
after mucking about with tons of presets and such.


You can download the Sysex for the factory presets from our website and then load it over the display USB MIDI interface using Sysex Librarian or similar software. Instructions are in the manual.


On the Intellijel webpage, I can't see the link to download the factory presets. Can you provide us a link?

Also, any news on the promised video explaining how to download and upload presets? Thanks to your help before, I managed to download a copy of all the factory presets, after messing up a few, but on a Mac, I don’t know of a Sysex editor that would allow me to send specific command strings, to download and upload single presets.


Should be there on the main Rainmaker page under the "presets" tab now. I thought I had them up there before but I guess not.

Right now there's no easy way to manage presets without using a hex editor or some generic sysex editor (I don't really have one to recommend, but maybe someone knows of one?)

We have some better solutions for preset management coming soon...
Jericho
Just finished my first serious rainmaker patch. (Ambient)

Don't expect a karplus-strong comb mashup. The rainmaker is used in a more traditional way as delay. Love it. w00t

Some patch notes are added to the video.

exper
Sounds beautiful. Nice patch! applause applause
Daisuk
Wow, fantastic patch, Jericho! Well done! we're not worthy
Innerself2007
Jericho
Sounds great!!
intellijel
Zymos wrote:
So, speaking of QC....do other people's have a second white plastic screw beneath/to the right of the tempo button?


It is not supposed to be there. Only two screws are needed to hold the FPGA on.
There is no QC issue.
intellijel
Just a few updates:

Stock:
We have had a ton of them built and sitting here for months but have been at the mercy of our panel supplier who have delayed delivery by over two months. As soon as we get the panels we can start shipping again.
Hoping to have this sorted within the next two weeks.

Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.
intellijel
Cortega wrote:

this is incredible bad QC !


How so? It is non-conductive, no clean flux. yes it probably should have been wiped off with some alcohol for cosmetic benefit but it has no affect on functionality whatsoever.
carvingcode
Nice! Will be handy in performance ordering.

intellijel wrote:


Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.
damase
intellijel wrote:
Just a few updates:

Stock:
We have had a ton of them built and sitting here for months but have been at the mercy of our panel supplier who have delayed delivery by over two months. As soon as we get the panels we can start shipping again.
Hoping to have this sorted within the next two weeks.

Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.


Thanks for updates! applause
Spiked Lunch
intellijel wrote:

Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.


Good to hear!
Daisuk
intellijel wrote:


Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.


Very nice! applause
Innerself2007
intellijel wrote:
Just a few updates:



Presets:
Looks like we may have found a solution for offline preset management. Users can re-order, swap, rename and generally manage their presets this way.
We'll post about this very soon.


Looking forward to this!
Carrousel
Received my Rainmaker a few days ago but only had chance to try it out since getting back from Glastonbury.....

First impressions are that i'm blown away. I decided to leave the presets and just try constructing a few patches with it from an empty slot myself. Sort of like bringing in one tap at time and making it more complex as I go along. It's really hard to overstate how much easier this thing is to use than it looks. Its perfectly intuitive and within an hour I was dancing around the controls altering settings for either all the taps, or individual taps...then flipping taps in and out of piles to see what effects might happen and much more besides. Really a performance powerhouse of a module, but I don't think this is immediately clear until you play with it (at least it wasn't to me).

One further thing I would add is that if you read the manual and use the input attenuators and the meters+gain screen, then I don't see how you would ever have a problem with feedback as people have described. This module has two separate sections with a ridiculous number of taps, each with resonant filters and feedback paths: it's obvious you need to pay attention to gain staging and the module makes this really easy for you seriously, i just don't get it (sorry, don't wanna be rude, but I feel this module has received some undeserved criticism so far). Anyway, the feedback sounds great when you ride it anyway.

Here is my first test. A jam using the Rainmaker with loquelic iteratas as sound source running into Clouds for some of the track. Its kind of nasty, but I live in the Uk and thats just how I feel right now. Enjoy

EDIT to reflect LI used as sound source.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/271405901" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
evileye0702
Great work Raven, one the best things I've heard making heavy use of the Rainmaker.

I too find the interface pretty easy to use once you dive in. I haven't had as much time as I would have liked working with it lately so I've most started with presets and then did my tweaking. Starting from scratch and experimenting for hours is definitely on my list. I've just finished reading the manual for the 2nd time. It's usually by the experimenting and eventually reading it a 3rd time that stuff really sinks in.

Despite having only tipped my toes into module, I've had wonderful experiences with it and create some amazing sounds.
Carrousel
Thanks evileye0702 thumbs up

Yeah, I guess I had been obsessively reading the manual whilst I awaited the module, I'm a bit of a nerd hihi

I was intimidated by the interface initially, but within minutes it all makes perfect sense. When I realised you could use the white tap edit buttons (with red writing) to alter all the taps at once and put them into various slope configurations I was in tweaker heaven.

One other thing to mention is that the quality of the (digital?) resonant filters on the rhythm taps is nothing short of astounding.

The most 'hi-fi' sounding bit of music kit i've ever used.

Well fucking done Intellijel we're not worthy
mqtthiqs
Raven_Martin: as an aside, this is a pretty awesome track! Well done really; funky and rough, just how I like it. We're dancing to it in the living room right now SlayerBadger!
Carrousel
Haha that's awesome SlayerBadger! So glad you like it! Especially as you've already brought me countless hours of joy with parasites. Thank you sir! we're not worthy
damase
really cool track!
mind a short explanation about what you did with RM? i dont need exact details just trying to wrap my head around possibilities while i wait for my pre-order smile
Thanks
Carrousel
No worries damase, it's a good job you asked actually because when I think about it, i've just remembered I had it patched in a different way to how I was remembering it when I posted it above. Describing it as a sound source was misleading as I actually had the Noise Engineering LI running into it via little optomix plucks. I think the random bass swells were made by me manually opening the optomix for short periods. The rainmaker (I think!) was set up in parallel processing mode, whereby the LI is being sent to the rhythm delay and the comb resonator at the same time, then summed at the output.The noisy swells were created by riding the feedback and I believe the interesting percussive timbres are being made by modulating the level of a super-sonic LFO which is in turn modulating the comb size (the rainmaker has two onboard LFOs, one for each section; the rate, level and type of this LFO can itself be a modulation target of the mod A and B inputs.....this sounds complicated but its really a stroke of genius). Hope that makes some kind of sense. My head is still a bit woozy!
damase
Thank you, was the kind of explaination i was looking for. Sounds great
Carrousel
Also.... because I was confused and thought I had used RM as the source, here is a tiny recording i've just made where the RM actually is the source. I didn't use the plucked noise onboard but made my own using Disting noise, a uVCA and a Quadra envelope. This feeds the comb resonator with 'sitar' feedback shape and this then goes into the rhythm delay with some taps pitch shifted for chords. I am intermittently adjusting the global pitch-shift down as far as it will go. Karplus Strong on this thing sounds absolutely beautiful. You can hear the plucked noise initially, then I switch the rhythm delay on, then the resonator a few bars later.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/271501483" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Funky40
Beautiful track Raven_Martin !

i´ve still not patched once a karplus patch.......while the rainy sounds obviously so awesome on it.
still only playing piano thru my RM lol
HIMA
Very nice stuff Raven. You spoke about how it's easy to navigate. Don't know if you owned the Shapeshifter, but that turned me off some of Intellijel's work, with all it's menu diving... How would you say this compares?

EDIT: So many beautiful examples in this thread. hardly gone very far back and found some great work from Jericho, realshafer and as always, Daisuk!
Carrousel
Many thanks for the kind words guys Mr. Green

Its quite shameful but the thing that inspires me the most is getting shiny new gear. My best stuff always comes immediately after buying something new!

HIMA, I haven't used the Shapeshifter myself but I have watched the lengthy series of videos on Youtube lusting after one. I know what you mean with the SS, there does seem to be a lot of menu diving. I'd say the RM involves slightly less diving. There are an awful lot of buttons so everything is really one, or at most 2 button presses away before its available for editing with the encoder (the encoder employs an elektron style function of push to edit faster).

That said there are a LOT of parameters to edit and it can be a lot to remember initially. It's obviously also helpful to find the two most interesting parameters to change for a given patch and assign them to Mod A and B.

The Rhythm section is divided into things that can be changed globally and things that can be changed per tap and once you get used to hopping between those two modes its really quite fun to use. So far I have found the comb section to be more of a set-and-forget type of affair.

Which reminds me to ask....Does anyone have any ideas for uses for the comb section apart from Karplus Strong? I can't seem to get it to make any particularly interesting sounds unless I feed it with very short sharp pulse material to 'excite the resonator' so to speak. I was under the impression (from using the comb mode on Braids) that you could get some strange timbral shifts from a comb resonator by feeding it regular waves. Many thanks for any help....
realshafer
Raven_Martin wrote:

I'd say the RM involves slightly less diving. There are an awful lot of buttons so everything is really one, or at most 2 button presses away before its available for editing with the encoder (the encoder employs an elektron style function of push to edit faster).

That said there are a LOT of parameters to edit and it can be a lot to remember initially. It's obviously also helpful to find the two most interesting parameters to change for a given patch and assign them to Mod A and B.



I'd agree with this summation of the Rainmaker compared to the Shapeshifter. With the exception of some global routing, there are no sub-menus on the Rainmaker. The Shapeshifter, on the other hand, uses sub-menus throughout the module. I understand how this might slow down workflow and be a turn off for some people. Both modules do require you to key an eye on the screen to see the parameter value.
Funky40
Raven_Martin wrote:

Which reminds me to ask....Does anyone have any ideas for uses for the comb section apart from Karplus Strong?

i used it for example to fatten E-Piano Sounds ( suitcase style sounds) . Mainly the Bass end. worked great.
or try to make grainy (short) delays./ oh well, i think that finally the delay line works even better on that



I disagree on the shapeshifter disucssions.
the problem is not the menudiving in the whole ( i´m definitly NOT a menu diving guy wink )...........for me were the problems in some specific details..........
Innerself2007
Raven_Martin wrote:

Which reminds me to ask....Does anyone have any ideas for uses for the comb section apart from Karplus Strong? I can't seem to get it to make any particularly interesting sounds unless I feed it with very short sharp pulse material to 'excite the resonator' so to speak. I was under the impression (from using the comb mode on Braids) that you could get some strange timbral shifts from a comb resonator by feeding it regular waves. Many thanks for any help....


Great sounds!
I need to spend more time with the resonator section, its confusing to me at the moment( or at least I'm not quite sure what its doing). I notice a difference when I turn the section on, I think Im just not using it the right way. Haven't tried using it for Karptlus Strong yet, need to do this next.
Anyway love the module, tons of exploration to be had.
Warpsmasher
Raven_Martin wrote:
Which reminds me to ask....Does anyone have any ideas for uses for the comb section apart from Karplus Strong?
It can be used as a second echo with a different speed and character than the delay. With the comb's clock source set to comb size and taps set to 2 or more, the patterns work like the grooves in the delay section when you get up into typical delay/echo tempos, and you can wiggle the size knob/jack for Demora-style divebombs. This sort of twin echo capability coupled with the routing+config options is a whole universe of possibilities in itself.
Carrousel
Warpsmasher wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
Which reminds me to ask....Does anyone have any ideas for uses for the comb section apart from Karplus Strong?
It can be used as a second echo with a different speed and character than the delay. With the comb's clock source set to comb size and taps set to 2 or more, the patterns work like the grooves in the delay section when you get up into typical delay/echo tempos, and you can wiggle the size knob/jack for Demora-style divebombs. This sort of twin echo capability coupled with the routing+config options is a whole universe of possibilities in itself.


Well, well, well. That does sound like an absolute wallop load of fun. Off to try this now, cheers!
scottmoon
Tempting help
Carrousel
Just want to say, for the record.....I was talking tits about bout not being able to get anything interesting out of the comb resonator in my comment above. No idea what I was doing before but that half of the module is an absolute wealth of temporal timbral variation. I think you have to get a careful balance of the right number of comb taps, pattern and slope, together with feedback tone...sometimes it all just comes together and makes a simple oscillator tone sound like its slipping into the void and back. Marvellous.
Carrousel
Feature request for one more routing configuration:

Sort of a mix of two of the existing ones. The L input sends a mono signal to the rhythm delay, but then is dealt with in stereo and appears at both L and R outputs. Meanwhile, the R mono input is send to the comb delay and this is treated like stereo too and is mixed with the rhythm delay, again at both L and R outputs. So you can send different mono signals to each section, but the outputs from each section are both stereo and are mixed together at the out jacks.

Hope that makes sense. If it can be implemented I would be super happy.
matttech
Sounds like someone is having fun with his Rainmaker! w00t
greenanother
Rings>L Channel/3 Sisters>Right Channel, Delay section of Rainmaker only.

Wiggling MOD A/MOD B throughout (set to Groove Type and Amount)

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/voyager[/s]
Zymos
Thanks Warpsmasher- now I feel like I went from only using half the module to using....somewhat more than half!
Still have a long way to go till I have a good grasp of the comb side, but that's a start.
Carrousel
matttech wrote:
Sounds like someone is having fun with his Rainmaker! w00t


Serious...probably more fun than I've had with any module!
wildfrontiers
Rainmaker arrived yesterday. Only had a little time to mess with it, but holy moly...some incredible sounds from this thing. Some sounds soon
RyanDais
loving this track you posted, making me want to get one!!

Raven_Martin wrote:
Received my Rainmaker a few days ago but only had chance to try it out since getting back from Glastonbury.....

First impressions are that i'm blown away. I decided to leave the presets and just try constructing a few patches with it from an empty slot myself. Sort of like bringing in one tap at time and making it more complex as I go along. It's really hard to overstate how much easier this thing is to use than it looks. Its perfectly intuitive and within an hour I was dancing around the controls altering settings for either all the taps, or individual taps...then flipping taps in and out of piles to see what effects might happen and much more besides. Really a performance powerhouse of a module, but I don't think this is immediately clear until you play with it (at least it wasn't to me).

One further thing I would add is that if you read the manual and use the input attenuators and the meters+gain screen, then I don't see how you would ever have a problem with feedback as people have described. This module has two separate sections with a ridiculous number of taps, each with resonant filters and feedback paths: it's obvious you need to pay attention to gain staging and the module makes this really easy for you seriously, i just don't get it (sorry, don't wanna be rude, but I feel this module has received some undeserved criticism so far). Anyway, the feedback sounds great when you ride it anyway.

Here is my first test. A jam using the Rainmaker with loquelic iteratas as sound source running into Clouds for some of the track. Its kind of nasty, but I live in the Uk and thats just how I feel right now. Enjoy

EDIT to reflect LI used as sound source.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/271405901" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Carrousel
Nice one lad! I had a lot of fun making it....the rainmaker in general has been a constant source of inspiration since I got it to be honest. Full recommendation!
kisielk
Some great news for all Rainmaker owners: there's now a preset librarian available!

LASER Mammoth, an online preset librarian, has recently added support for the Rainmaker. Check it out at https://f0f7.net

Thanks to solitud (who is also the creator of the very awesome ModularGrid) for making this happen.
waveglider
Nice work! applause
One more reason for me to start saving up for this beast.
Futuresound
realshafer wrote:
Thanks Upright.

I made another demo showing more of the piles feature. It's similar to the first piles demo in that I'm using just a filtered pulse. This time I'm using the setting "1 of 16" to make a 16-note chord. A big difference between this and the previous demo is that I'm splitting the delay section output to my mixer and into the Rainmaker's comb section. In the comb section I'm playing with the comb size as well as the mix between the comb and delay outputs at the mixer.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/269795824" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


That's very nice.
Carrousel
Another wee jam with heavy RM use (the rhythmic chimes which are all the way through but keep going weird). Again using the loquelic via optomix for source material, but also triggering the odd internal 'shaped pulse'. It goes into the comb side first, then the rhythm delay, with about half the taps being used (various filter settings and pitch shift settings).

The vocal sample is Zappa from one of the last interviews he gave, but that's running through clouds, doesn't touch the RM.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/272949579" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Funky40
need help, i have a misunderstanding, or to my belive a problem:
Its about Clock settings ( speaking about the delay line )

Manual says:
4 - CLOCK : TIME Displays the current beat time in milliseconds and in beats per minute (BPM), as well as the clock division factor. Turning the rotary encoder will change the beat time. If there is a clock signal connected to the (left -hand) CLK input, the beat time will follow the clock period, multiplied by the clock division factor, and the rotary encoder will have no effect. The beat time can also be changed by pushing the large white TEMPO button repeatedly.


NO luck, i can´t clock my Rainy, weather by a clk input nor by tapping the white button.
it is NOT overriding my setting set in the "clock" menu. I ONLY have that clock rate going that i set in the "Clock" menu. no other speed possible
seriously, i just don't get it
what could i have overlooked or doing wrong ?


the clock plus cable is doing fine with the module beneath, so its not that.
Warpsmasher
External clock doesn't kick in until you push the div button.
Funky40
ahhhh, .....great ! thanks !
jjclark
Warpsmasher wrote:
External clock doesn't kick in until you push the div button.


To be more precise, when in the TIME display, the encoder setting will override the clock input (and the tap tempo). In any other display (such as DIV) the clock input will override the encoder setting.
smees
Hello,

I was testing the rainmaker, quite cool effect... What disappointed me is than I was not able to sync the modulation LFO's to the clock input... Is there a way to do it ?
I have just read the manual and I found all the functions I discovered by myself this afternoon but I found nothing about the LFO synchro... To be honest I didn't try those lfo, once I found than I couldn't sync them I went to another parameter... Or did I miss something in there functionality ? I mean I dont need a free LFO a lot...
jjclark
smees wrote:
Hello,

I was testing the rainmaker, quite cool effect... What disappointed me is than I was not able to sync the modulation LFO's to the clock input... Is there a way to do it ?
I have just read the manual and I found all the functions I discovered by myself this afternoon but I found nothing about the LFO synchro... To be honest I didn't try those lfo, once I found than I couldn't sync them I went to another parameter... Or did I miss something in there functionality ? I mean I dont need a free LFO a lot...


No, the internal mod lfos are not synced to the internal clocks.
smees
So what is the way to modulated the rhythm delay time under a rhythmic and predictable way in a track ?
The only way I think is to modulate the clock in... right ?
damase
smees wrote:
So what is the way to modulated the rhythm delay time under a rhythmic and predictable way in a track ?
The only way I think is to modulate the clock in... right ?


i was a bit surprised at that too, in the search for the rhythmic modulation. You could use the mod input on groove... But modulating the clock divider would be nice, especially with no knob direct for that function. still gotta use chronoblob for that(it does it really well). If the internal lfo could be a 'drawn' shape, or a static voltage, you could sample/hold into the mod input

Also, does anyone else get click/staticy pops on top of the comb when adjusting comb size?
smees
Thanks Damase !
I was thinking the same about modulating the grooves. Should do a job but not the real job. Will try tomorrow but it is complicated for a simple delay operation and will kill a mod input for another parameter modulation.
Will also check if it can be done modulating the external master clock but will probably need some time to lock at the clock change and glitch... will test later.
Seriously a delay without a delay time modulation seriously, i just don't get it
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damase
smees wrote:
Thanks Damase !
I was thinking the same about modulating the grooves. Should do a job but not the real job. Will try tomorrow but it is complicated for a simple delay operation and will kill a mod input for another parameter modulation.
Will also check if it can be done modulating the external master clock but will probably need some time to lock at the clock change and glitch... will test later.
Seriously a delay without a delay time modulation seriously, i just don't get it
[/quote]

I should disclose im a new user of the rainmaker also... Its possible i missed something as well.
milkyjoe
@ jjclark: can this be added in a firmware update ??
jjclark
smees wrote:

Seriously a delay without a delay time modulation seriously, i just don't get it


It DOES have delay time modulation, just not by an external mod source for the rhythm delay.

You can modulate the comb delay time (size) with an external CV. So if you want to do changing delay time tricks, use the comb.

If you want rhythms synced to a clock use the rhythm delay. That's what it is designed for.

Modulating the groove will sort of do what you want, but may (will) generate clicks. Keep in mind that in the rhythm delay each tap is made up of (up to) 4 grains. The delay time for the grains are updated only when the grain envelope is zero to minimize clicking. This means that the delay time will not change right away. There will be stepping of tap delay, not a nice smooth change. This is the main reason why there is no continuous modulation of the delay time in the rhythm delay. The internal mod is tightly folded in with each grain so you don't get stepping, but we cannot use an external cv here because the ADC noise will cause clicking - there is no noise in the internal lfo. The comb delay is not granular, so there is no stepping when changing the delay. We can use external cv here, and live with the clicking that can happen.
damase
That helps put it in perspective a little... Thank you
Still would love to be able to sync the internal LFO in the future if thats possible.

The manual, while being straightforward and easy to understand, could maybe benefit with supplemental info or video for the vision of intended playability/workflow in various cases. To provide some better perspective on getting going with it and how to percieve some of its abilities.... Its very open ended which i love and thats the nature of a beast like this. Im just a person that learns easily with example.
analogdigital
Anyone else have issues with their comb feedback not working at all unless external cv is applied?
Daisuk
Here's a quite minimal ambientish track with Rainmaker doing its magic. smile

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/45a[/s]
greenanother
Daisuk wrote:
Here's a quite minimal ambientish track with Rainmaker doing its magic. smile

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/45a[/s]


Really like this very much, Daisuk!
wildfrontiers
Daisuk wrote:
Here's a quite minimal ambientish track with Rainmaker doing its magic. smile

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/45a[/s]


This is wonderful!
Daisuk
Thanks, guys! This thing is a little orchestra all of its own. Mr. Green
7C
Raven_Martin wrote:


[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/271405901" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


this = ace

ps: embedding html doesnt seem up my alley
pps: daisuk´s ambient thingy as well = aceness!
Carrousel
Not sure which one you mean but cheers anyway lol
carvingcode
I recently have added a couple of Verbos modules. They seem strong output levels and force Rainmaker into clipping easily. I've set RM input levels to 9:00 o'clock but depending upon modulation of the Verbos modules, clipping ca n still occur.

Any suggestions?
thelizard
damase wrote:

Also, does anyone else get click/staticy pops on top of the comb when adjusting comb size?


Yes, I do and it's driving me nuts. I'm on firmware 1.02.

It's funny, too, because it seems like there's half of an interpolator in place. When I move the knobs the pops are mostly grouped up front and then spread out slowly until the comb size finally catches up with the knob setting.

Another bug: Large comb sizes (10 seconds or so) and Sitar feedback just results in unpleasant noise. It seems like whatever nonlinearity is present in that model just goes nuts.
trax
carvingcode wrote:
I recently have added a couple of Verbos modules. They seem strong output levels and force Rainmaker into clipping easily. I've set RM input levels to 9:00 o'clock but depending upon modulation of the Verbos modules, clipping ca n still occur.

Any suggestions?


attenuate them down.

Get this:

http://wmdevices.com/products/quad-atten

EVERY system should have one.....I have no idea how anyone uses eurorack without attenuators.


thumbs up
0netwo0netwo
what does the firmware updte for the RM do/fix?, i dont understand the description in the log

thanks
damase
thelizard wrote:
damase wrote:

Also, does anyone else get click/staticy pops on top of the comb when adjusting comb size?


Yes, I do and it's driving me nuts. I'm on firmware 1.02.

It's funny, too, because it seems like there's half of an interpolator in place. When I move the knobs the pops are mostly grouped up front and then spread out slowly until the comb size finally catches up with the knob setting.

Another bug: Large comb sizes (10 seconds or so) and Sitar feedback just results in unpleasant noise. It seems like whatever nonlinearity is present in that model just goes nuts.


Thanks, your discovery about the sitar feedback noise explains one mystery to me i couldnt figure out. I emailed Ij with a couple videos of the comb noise... He said it should be a smooth change and i havent heard back since so Im assuming its a problem that is currently being worked on for a future update.

Other than some of these issues... I realllllllly love the rainmaker. It blows my mind how cool it is and i really appreciate the expansive groove selections. Its pretty awesome in a performance situaion to flip a couple of the groove/timing settings and hit a sweet spot really quick... I often sample these sweet spots (octatrack) and use them as an improvisational base for an entire "song".

Once that comb noise is fixed im sure the comb section will be more understandable and blow my mind equally as the delay section.
jjclark
damase wrote:
thelizard wrote:
damase wrote:

Also, does anyone else get click/staticy pops on top of the comb when adjusting comb size?


Yes, I do and it's driving me nuts. I'm on firmware 1.02.

It's funny, too, because it seems like there's half of an interpolator in place. When I move the knobs the pops are mostly grouped up front and then spread out slowly until the comb size finally catches up with the knob setting.

Another bug: Large comb sizes (10 seconds or so) and Sitar feedback just results in unpleasant noise. It seems like whatever nonlinearity is present in that model just goes nuts.


Thanks, your discovery about the sitar feedback noise explains one mystery to me i couldnt figure out. I emailed Ij with a couple videos of the comb noise... He said it should be a smooth change and i havent heard back since so Im assuming its a problem that is currently being worked on for a future update.

Other than some of these issues... I realllllllly love the rainmaker. It blows my mind how cool it is and i really appreciate the expansive groove selections. Its pretty awesome in a performance situaion to flip a couple of the groove/timing settings and hit a sweet spot really quick... I often sample these sweet spots (octatrack) and use them as an improvisational base for an entire "song".

Once that comb noise is fixed im sure the comb section will be more understandable and blow my mind equally as the delay section.


I haven't been able to replicate the issue with the sitar feedback for large comb sizes. Everything seems well behaved for me. But keep in mind that the feedback is taken from the far end of the comb (i.e. the one delayed by an amount equal to the comb size), so if you have a large comb size, say 10 seconds, then the feedback is coming from whatever was in the delay line 10 seconds ago. If there was some clicks or noise (even low level) 10 seconds ago, then the feedback (assuming the feedback is turned up) will amplify this and things will get wooly rather quick. This sometimes happens when changing presets, since this does not clear the delay lines, so any discontinuity created when switching presets, even 10 seconds ago could be amplified.

And, in case you are thinking, well why not clear the delay lines when switching presets, well we tried that and it generally creates a click/thud which gets folded into whatever the new preset is doing.

I would suggest that if you are using large comb sizes, start off by pressing the clear button a few times.

As for the clicking noises in the comb, this is complicated and we are working on it. One thing you can do to help this is to increase the clk div ratio. This speeds up the internal clock used to compute the comb delay. This is a good trick for Karplus patches, as it allows tweaking the pitch slew.

We have fixed the slight aliasing noise that you can sometimes hear when modulating the comb. This should be in the next update (which as far as I know will be the first official update, although Danjel may have given some people unofficial updates).
damase
Quote:
But keep in mind that the feedback is taken from the far end of the comb (i.e. the one delayed by an amount equal to the comb size), so if you have a large comb size, say 10 seconds, then the feedback is coming from whatever was in the delay line 10 seconds ago. If there was some clicks or noise (even low level) 10 seconds ago, then the feedback (assuming the feedback is turned up) will amplify this and things will get wooly rather quick. This sometimes happens when changing presets, since this does not clear the delay lines, so any discontinuity created when switching presets, even 10 seconds ago could be amplified.


this feels like exactly was was happening to me, i was just too new at it to understand and i would flip to a preset i made and have crazy noise almost instantly. thank you for the info, i look forward to anything you provide for this amazing module
Carrousel
Another track with Rainmaker throughout. The tribal-ish tom sounds on this were made by running a Dixie / Rubicon / ultrafold complex osc through an optomix, then into the Rainmaker comb>delay. The RM internal LFO on the comb runs at audio rate to produce the 'Exp FM'-like tom sounds. The more I use this module, the more it reveals itself. It couldn't have been more aptly named. Somehow bridges the gap perfectly between plucky rhythmic sounds and pad-like ambience, almost making new types of sounds in-between. Madness.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/280421795" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
grimley
Does the RM have a screensaver function or does my case have power issues?
Loving this thing by the way!
exper
grimley wrote:
Does the RM have a screensaver function or does my case have power issues?
Loving this thing by the way!


Yes, the screen will shut down after a while of no activity. thumbs up
Chartreuse-J
Here is a quickie..

Metasonix R54 through the Rainmaker modulated by ER101 and RF Nomad..

[s]https://soundcloud.com/jason-m-9/sorrow-drone[/s]

Very lightly EQ'ed
freq
Hi, wondering which Rev Rainmaker is up to. I've seen a Rev 3 in a UK store and I'm interested, would it need a firmware update?
intellijel
grimley wrote:
Does the RM have a screensaver function or does my case have power issues?
Loving this thing by the way!


It has a screensaver smile
djhyperspace
that moment you forget your just sending kick drums into rainmaker......


happens a lot. this thing is beyond fucked. its "edgy" in a good good way. will keep me smiling for some time!!

thanks Intellijel and Cylonix. keep them coming




p.s forgot to say this earlier as was blissed out from making it rain last night... till 9am, work at 11am!! fuck sleep.

the led's....... they are mental bright. to the point i cant even read any of the lables. not sure why this was released like this. its sitting under alm akemies castle, which has such chill led's. soon this wont be a problem as i will know where everything is anyway.

amazing amazing module
oneiric.tomb
Ive been looking for something similar to the Buchla 296e more in my price range for timbral sculpting- I know this is worlds different but this seems like it might be able to achieve some sounds I thought id need two addac601's and an eventide rack to create.

So this has 16 multimode filters, how hard would it be to achieve vocal and acoustic formants with this? Are the frequnecy bands modulatable at all?
The peaks and troughs of the comb are completely UNfixed?



Thanks for any word!
Sleipnir
Having a hard time not pulling the trigger on this.

I'm not a fan of dedicating system space to effects, but this would let me use it for guitar, drums, synth... everything. woah
jjclark
oneiric.tomb wrote:
Ive been looking for something similar to the Buchla 296e more in my price range for timbral sculpting- I know this is worlds different but this seems like it might be able to achieve some sounds I thought id need two addac601's and an eventide rack to create.

So this has 16 multimode filters, how hard would it be to achieve vocal and acoustic formants with this? Are the frequnecy bands modulatable at all?
The peaks and troughs of the comb are completely UNfixed?



Thanks for any word!


Yes, the frequency bands are modulatable, but only two at a time, or all of them at once. You can get vocal effects out of it.

The peaks and troughs of the comb are not completely unfixed, but you can get a lot of different patterns. You can control the number of peaks and can adjust the spacing by selecting one of 16 different patterns.
Sleipnir
Sleipnir wrote:
Having a hard time not pulling the trigger on this.

Well that didn't take long. Guinness ftw!
Never maintain cash savings again
XPump
After many months of drooling I finally got it together and sent pm ..This module looked too amazing to pass on ...ideaI suspect I'm going to have a lot more fun actually using it than Im currently getting from the repeated readings of the manual : P ..
its like my own personal xmas pending
damase
Cant say how much im loving my rainmaker... Live, in the studio... I feel like it has me in "god mode" all the time. It fills out a mix very well.

A couple suggestions that might be possible to implement in future updates:

-the ability to change the wet/dry knob to a master volume knob... Would be very performance handy and i currently never use the wet/dry as its on a dubmix auxilary
-the ability to tempo-sync the internal LFOs (already mentioned)... Im not getting as much use out of the internal lfo other than a kushy vibrato. Maybe i just need to explore it more also.
-if any type of hard limiter could be added on the input that would be very helpful... Sometimes i dont know why but some sounds just hit it the 'wrong' way and distort... Its an ugly distortion and it gets injected into the delay line so it gets out of control quickly
-if some kind of crossfade could be implemented on the reverse function to reduce clicks... I know its nature of the beast, but it would definitely be easier to coax those beautiful reverse textures on the fly

All just based on my own usage so again ill say... Such a beautiful sound and a perfectly named module. applause
XPump
to quote djhyperspace above... "the led's....... they are mental bright..."
Yep - I wish there was some adjustment to tone them down sad banana - this isn't the only module i have with this affliction ...
but it is a cool beast of a thing
rutabaga40
This may seem like an absurdly basic question, but...

I don't understand how each tap gets it's delay time. I understand the over-riding clock and division controls. And I finally got the 'Piles' concept. Or at least as I understand it: say you set Piles= 4 of 4, then taps 1-4 share the same delay time, 5-8 share their own, 9-12, and then 13-16. Correct? I was horribly confused because I assumed 1 of 16 would make each one independent, but it's actually 16 of 1 that gives 16 separate delay taps.

So then, what is the over-riding principal of how each of the 16 taps is divided to the clock/beat/divisions? Both for 16 independent and then also for the different Piles settings.

Thanks...asking for a friend...
pzoot
rutabaga40 wrote:
This may seem like an absurdly basic question, but...

I don't understand how each tap gets it's delay time. I understand the over-riding clock and division controls. And I finally got the 'Piles' concept. Or at least as I understand it: say you set Piles= 4 of 4, then taps 1-4 share the same delay time, 5-8 share their own, 9-12, and then 13-16. Correct? I was horribly confused because I assumed 1 of 16 would make each one independent, but it's actually 16 of 1 that gives 16 separate delay taps.

So then, what is the over-riding principal of how each of the 16 taps is divided to the clock/beat/divisions? Both for 16 independent and then also for the different Piles settings.

Thanks...asking for a friend...


Mine is in the mail, but I've been studying the manual in the meantime and recalled this. The division is actually based on the step number. And the pile delay is based on the largest numbered step in the pile ... at least I think so!

2 - TAP : GRID Displays the current GRID and PILES settings. Turning the rotary encoder will change the GRID value. The GRID value defines the relation between the BEAT TIME and the nominal tap delay times according to the formula : (tap delay time = BEAT TIME * tap number/ GRID). GRID values are expressed in multiples of Taps/Beat. As an example, if the GRID value is 4 / beat, this means that the nominal delay time for tap #4 will be equal to the BEAT time, the nominal delay time for tap #8 will be equal to twice the BEAT time, and so on. The BEAT TIME is the time value shown in the CLOCK : TIME display screen. The actual delay time for a tap will deviate from its nominal value depending on the selected GROOVE TYPE and GROOVE amount. Possible GRID values are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 16.

3 - TAP : PILES Displays the current GRID and PILES settings. Turning the rotary encoder will change the number and size of the tap piles. A tap “pile” is a collection of taps that are all given the same delay time, which will be the delay time of the last tap in the pile. Making piles of taps is useful when you want to apply multiple effects at a given time. For example, you can make a four-note Major 7th chord by selecting 4 piles of 4 taps, setting the levels of taps #1, 2, 3 and 4 to maximum with all other taps muted or set to zero level, and setting tap #1 to have a pitch shift of 0, tap #2 to have a pitch shift of +4, tap #3 to have a pitch shift of +7, and tap #4 to have a pitch shift of +11. Then an input sound will be echoed with a delay time equal to the tap delay time for tap #4, but will be harmonized as a Maj7 chord.

Edit: OK I wanted to make sure I understood it, so I tried to make a table. If this isn't right I'll pull it down or correct it. But, it does match the examples they give in the manual. I just thought it was helpful to visualize it and at least get where across the taps the delays get longer or shorter than the overall beat time setting
rutabaga40
pzoot

Wow, cool chart!

That is more or less the way I understand it now, yes. I'd like to see one of the Intellijel Boffins weigh in on this. cool
Sleipnir
rutabaga40 wrote:
pzoot
Wow, cool chart!
That is more or less the way I understand it now, yes. I'd like to see one of the Intellijel Boffins weigh in on this. cool

Yes, cool indeed (if it is in fact correct).
I'm having similar issues, having played with it a few days (mostly guitar so far) and trying to mimic some of the classic/standard delays.
In particular, I've been having a hell of a time trying to get:
1. The "3 head" setting from a Roland Space Echo
--I have a "3 tap" preset based on the 1 tap preset, but it's not quite right.
2. Quarter + dotted eighth (classic U2/Edge)
3. Quarter + "Phi" (Pigtronox Echolution) or Golden Ratio (Strymon Dig)
seriously, i just don't get it
IMO these would have been great to have as factory presets, and probably more musical (though less envelope pushing) than some of what's in there.
I was hoping to have this standalone be the "ultimate delay unit", but may end up dedicating it to the modular. The Comb section is pretty crippled without some 1v/o love.
damase
The comb is only currently crippled by some slight noise issues when modulating size that IJ is working on a fix for last we heard...
However
It works great with the v/oct input... But its great without also... When set to smaller taps is acts more like a typical delay youre used to and there is a lot of cool rhythmic action to be programmed with it. The preset called "washboard" is a fun one to start with when programming this type of action
Zymos
I think they meant using it outside of a larger modular rig cripples it in that they won't have a 1v/oct source to be feeding in to the comb section.

Which like you said, is not completely true, though you'll miss out on some things.
damase
That would be interesting to use a pll and a envelope following with guitar to modulate the comb
Sleipnir
Zymos wrote:
I think they meant using it outside of a larger modular rig cripples it in that they won't have a 1v/oct source to be feeding in to the comb section.

Which like you said, is not completely true, though you'll miss out on some things.

Bingo. thumbs up
I got the Comb to give some nice Flange/Chorus, and the quasi-reverb, but a lot of the presets have/need lots of feedback, so you at least need a VCA to tame the howling, and some 1v/o to give it some pitch.
Could be done with an env follower and maybe a Disting for the audio->pitch conversion. Maybe.
damase
Sleipnir wrote:
Zymos wrote:
I think they meant using it outside of a larger modular rig cripples it in that they won't have a 1v/oct source to be feeding in to the comb section.

Which like you said, is not completely true, though you'll miss out on some things.

Bingo. thumbs up
I got the Comb to give some nice Flange/Chorus, and the quasi-reverb, but a lot of the presets have/need lots of feedback, so you at least need a VCA to tame the howling, and some 1v/o to give it some pitch.
Could be done with an env follower and maybe a Disting for the audio->pitch conversion. Maybe.


Definitely. I love that this module gives you the building blocks to design so many things... Another you you could "try" doing is amplifying the guitar signal and sticking it into the comb clock. A lot of times i dont have a v/oct to give it so i feed the clock a square wave from my sequenced osc and set the comb to follow the clock and it will change with the osc as if its just a super fast clock. Works really well with an osc(maybe not guitar but who knows) also it gives you the ability to divide it down for other harmonic timbres
greenanother
In an effort to go beyond delay taps and "echo" in general, I started recording soundscapes that highlight some of the grittier sound-shaping capabilities of Rainmaker. May become a series of tracks...

Braids in FM mode>Ultrafold>LXD (CV parameter controlled by Blinds)>Rainmaker (MOD A+B modulated slowly with Just Friends)>small amounts of Strymon Timeline and Big Sky.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain-studies[/s]
thisisprisma
greenanother wrote:
In an effort to go beyond delay taps and "echo" in general, I started recording soundscapes that highlight some of the grittier sound-shaping capabilities of Rainmaker. May become a series of tracks...

Braids in FM mode>Ultrafold>LXD (CV parameter controlled by Blinds)>Rainmaker (MOD A+B modulated slowly with Just Friends)>small amounts of Strymon Timeline and Big Sky.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain-studies[/s]



really good!
funkyjunky
greenanother wrote:
In an effort to go beyond delay taps and "echo" in general, I started recording soundscapes that highlight some of the grittier sound-shaping capabilities of Rainmaker. May become a series of tracks...
[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain-studies[/s]


Really impressive! I am fond of this type of music, would be great to hear back from you on new tracks! Keep rockin'! smile
taylor12k
i love the rainmaker. one of the most inspiring modules i've ever used... but i certainly don't understand the whole delay time/tap/pile/etc thing... it's not explained well in the manual and seems overly complicated... but it's still a great module!!

for example, has anyone figured out how to get a simple one tap delay with a 20 second delay time?

what are the settings in all those taps and piles? and there seems to be a difference and/or relationship between "clock time" and "tempo" and even "mod time" sometimes seems to be controlling the echo time...

also, grain time sometimes seems to override, or be more noticeable than delay time...

i've gotten amazing results with the module, i just wish i knew how it was supposed to work more... despite that, it's incredibly easy to get around.. they did a great job on the UI.. amazingly quick for all of its depth.
taylor12k
i think these may be pretty solid analyses... but, like the manual, i'll need to read over it a couple times with the module in front of me.. would definitely like to get a better grasp on how the modules handles basic delay time... as well as creative uses of PILES.

[quote="pzoot"]
2 - TAP : GRID Displays the current GRID and PILES settings. Turning the rotary encoder will change the GRID value. The GRID value defines the relation between the BEAT TIME and the nominal tap delay times according to the formula : (tap delay time = BEAT TIME * tap number/ GRID). GRID values are expressed in multiples of Taps/Beat. As an example, if the GRID value is 4 / beat, this means that the nominal delay time for tap #4 will be equal to the BEAT time, the nominal delay time for tap #8 will be equal to twice the BEAT time, and so on. The BEAT TIME is the time value shown in the CLOCK : TIME display screen. The actual delay time for a tap will deviate from its nominal value depending on the selected GROOVE TYPE and GROOVE amount. Possible GRID values are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 16.

3 - TAP : PILES Displays the current GRID and PILES settings. Turning the rotary encoder will change the number and size of the tap piles. A tap “pile” is a collection of taps that are all given the same delay time, which will be the delay time of the last tap in the pile. Making piles of taps is useful when you want to apply multiple effects at a given time. For example, you can make a four-note Major 7th chord by selecting 4 piles of 4 taps, setting the levels of taps #1, 2, 3 and 4 to maximum with all other taps muted or set to zero level, and setting tap #1 to have a pitch shift of 0, tap #2 to have a pitch shift of +4, tap #3 to have a pitch shift of +7, and tap #4 to have a pitch shift of +11. Then an input sound will be echoed with a delay time equal to the tap delay time for tap #4, but will be harmonized as a Maj7 chord./quote]
greenanother
Thanks! I also want to see how far I can go with Rainmaker as a sound source. I guess pinging the comb filter at audio rates is a good place to start. Will post if anything interesting turns up.
jjclark
taylor12k wrote:
i love the rainmaker. one of the most inspiring modules i've ever used... but i certainly don't understand the whole delay time/tap/pile/etc thing... it's not explained well in the manual and seems overly complicated... but it's still a great module!!


It's pretty simple.

Maybe the easiest way for some people to follow what is going on is to think of the 16 taps as steps in a step sequencer. If you feed in a single drum hit, for example, then the output of the taps will sound in sequence.

Suppose taps 4, 8, 12, and 16 have their levels set to max, with all others tap levels set to zero. Then the "sequence" looks like:

- - - X - - - X - - - X - - - X

If taps 2,4,5,6,12,14,16 were high, with the others set to zero, then the "sequence" would be

- X - X X X - - - - - X - X - X

So, by setting the tap levels you can get different rhythms. If you then add pitch shifts, panning and filtering to each active tap you can get interesting variations in your rhythm.

Now, the question is - what is the time between the tap outputs in this case? (note: the following assumes that the Groove Type is "Straight").

Think of a piece of sheet music, where you are given a metronome setting. The metronome setting typically gives a note length (e.g. quarter note or half note) and a tempo (beats per minute). On the Rainmaker, the DELAY CLOCK Time setting gives you the tempo and the GRID setting gives you the note length. Viewed in this way,at a given tempo setting, the GRID setting tells us how the 16 taps are to be interpreted as note lengths - e.g. if GRID = 4 then the taps can be interpreted as quarter notes; if GRID = 2 taps are half notes; if GRID = 16 then the taps are 16th notes.

So, a DELAY CLOCK Time of 500msec and a GRID of 4 can be thought of (at least using our "step sequencer" analogy) to a metronome setting of q=120.

taylor12k wrote:
for example, has anyone figured out how to get a simple one tap delay with a 20 second delay time?


Use TAP# 16 (i.e. set the LEVEL for taps 1 through 15 to zero and the LEVEL for tap 16 to max).

Then, set GRID to 4/beat and the TIME to 5 seconds (using the rotary encoder).

taylor12k wrote:
what are the settings in all those taps and piles? and there seems to be a difference and/or relationship between "clock time" and "tempo" and even "mod time" sometimes seems to be controlling the echo time...


DELAY CLOCK Time and Tempo are the same thing on the Rainmaker.

Do you mean TIME MOD instead of mod time? If so, then yes, of course, the TIME MOD affects the delay time. That is what it does - modulates the delay time (making it longer and shorter following the LFO waveform).

taylor12k wrote:
also, grain time sometimes seems to override, or be more noticeable than delay time...


With more than one grain, the grains begin at different times. This can sometimes be audible, giving the impression that the delay time for a tap is changing. You can hear this when playing with the global pitch shift knob, as the pitch of the grains are only changed at the start of the grain (to avoid clicks). This will occur at different times for each grain, resulting in a zippering of the pitch shift. Most of the time this sounds cool.

As for PILES (now called STACKS) this is just a way to have multiple filtering and pitch shift effects applied to a single delay time. Suppose Piles is set to 4 of 4. This means that, instead of 16 separate taps, we effectively now have 4 "fat" taps, each consisting of 4 channels (piles of 4 taps). This is implemented by piling taps 1,2,3 and 4 on top of each other to make the first pile, piling taps 5,6,7 and 8 to make another pile, and so on. So, for the first pile (made up of mooshing together taps 1,2,3 and 4) we can have 4 different filtering, panning and pitch effects all happening at the same delay time. Applications of this include making chords, where each of the tap in a pile is set to a different pitch shift. This is especially fun with vocal inputs, particularly when you space them out by applying a different pan setting to each tap in the pile.
emergingstates
thanks JJ for this explanation : )
dhoinjo
yes indeed. Very clear explanation indeed...
pzoot
Thanks -- this is really clear

jjclark wrote:
As for PILES (now called STACKS)


Is there a new version? Or just cosmetic panel changes? Stacks is certainly more intuitive ... but I like my piles of taps :-)
dhoinjo
Was wondering the same thing. I read on the site that you can download at all times the original 1.00 firmware presets. But I'm still on 0.99
Where can we find the new firmware?
rutabaga40
jjclark

Thanks for breaking it down that way. Might want to add some version of that to the manual!
jjclark
dhoinjo wrote:
Was wondering the same thing. I read on the site that you can download at all times the original 1.00 firmware presets. But I'm still on 0.99
Where can we find the new firmware?


There is no new (official) firmware yet. Most modules were sent out with 1.00, but some early modules may have had a pre-release version. If you really want to know, contact danjel at Intellijel HQ.

The change of PILES to STACKS is just a cosmetic change to the panel. There is no change to the hardware/firmware.
pzoot
rutabaga40 wrote:
Might want to add some version of that to the manual!


Yeah, while I had mostly gotten my head around the delay side through some effort, simply thinking about it as a buffer "sequencer" made a very intuitive lightbulb go off that could've avoided some effort (not that the effort wasn't fun too!)

Really enjoying this module ... I feel like it can turn my whole rack into a single "Delay Sequencing Synthesis" instrument, with everything else directly or indirectly feeding the Rainmaker. Not sure that makes any sense :-)
Carrousel
pzoot wrote:
rutabaga40 wrote:
Might want to add some version of that to the manual!


Yeah, while I had mostly gotten my head around the delay side through some effort, simply thinking about it as a buffer "sequencer" made a very intuitive lightbulb go off that could've avoided some effort (not that the effort wasn't fun too!)

Really enjoying this module ... I feel like it can turn my whole rack into a single "Delay Sequencing Synthesis" instrument, with everything else directly or indirectly feeding the Rainmaker. Not sure that makes any sense :-)


Makes perfect sense to me.....you can feed it anything at all and produce rhythms, textures, pads and everything in between. Absolutely remarkable module.

Thinking about it as a 16-stage sequenced out-putter is very intuitive indeed.
dhoinjo
Quote:
There is no new (official) firmware yet. Most modules were sent out with 1.00, but some early modules may have had a pre-release version. If you really want to know, contact danjel at Intellijel HQ.


Thanks. This version works perfect as it is right now. Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing out on new firmware. To make it even better :-)
damase
That description is great. Add to the manual!!
damase
That description as a 16 step sequencer got me thinking how awesome a cyclonix trigger sequencer would be. The groove options on the rainmaker are by far the grooviest of all eurorack swing capabilities... The ability to adjust from %0-100 is simply amazing for finding the perfect rhythm. Id love to have a couple of channels of 16 step triggers to punch in my own patterns and dial in the grooves just like in the RM.
jjclark
damase wrote:
That description as a 16 step sequencer got me thinking how awesome a cyclonix trigger sequencer would be. The groove options on the rainmaker are by far the grooviest of all eurorack swing capabilities... The ability to adjust from %0-100 is simply amazing for finding the perfect rhythm. Id love to have a couple of channels of 16 step triggers to punch in my own patterns and dial in the grooves just like in the RM.


You can sort of do that with the Rainmaker. Just send in a trigger to the TRIG input, and have the trigger set to shaped pulse ping. Then take the audio out and use it as a trigger for your envelopes or whatever. If you use the PAN for each tap, you could get two 8 step trigger sequencers (one on the OUTL and one on the OUTR.

Just tried this triggering a cyclebox in perc mode. Works fine. You have to kick up the gain on the delay on the Rainmaker (with the METERS+GAIN edit window).
damase
Thats an awesome idea. Though if it works out id still love an 8-12 HP 4 channel version smile
taylor12k
ok, your full post was super helpful... digesting/trying it out one step at a time...

as for below.. i made a preset like that.. and confirmed i got a 20 second delay.... but the TIME parameter on the rainmaker it self goes to 20... so if i change that 5 sec you suggested to 20... in theory my delay time should be 80 seconds, right?

i need to read back into you post to see if i can figure out (for myself) what the times will be for some of the other taps, when i turn their volumes up...

i assume tap 8 would be 10 seconds, and tap 4 would be 5 seconds...

jjclark wrote:

taylor12k wrote:
for example, has anyone figured out how to get a simple one tap delay with a 20 second delay time?


Use TAP# 16 (i.e. set the LEVEL for taps 1 through 15 to zero and the LEVEL for tap 16 to max).

Then, set GRID to 4/beat and the TIME to 5 seconds (using the rotary encoder).
taylor12k
and here's another question.. if you don't want any layering of "piles" you simply use "16 piles of 1", yes? and that will keep all of the taps separate?
Carrousel
^Yes
nrg242
a simple Rings sequence into Rainmaker with an edited 2 Swells preset. clocked modulation from URA and Sputnik WCRS into just about everything on the rainmaker. bit of manual wiggling on the dry/wet lets the original sequence poke through later.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/naveen-g/rings-rainmaker-011/s-Ozw0n[/s]
greenanother
EDIT: Rerecorded much shorter version with DPO and Braids>LXD and Optomix>Rainmaker>Strymon Big Sky

Sequenced by FutureRetro 512 Keyboard and Quadra+Expander

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain-studies-2-redo[/s]

Decent Speakers or headphones recommended.
tFunk
Is it possible to tell the Rainmaker to stop using its internal tempo (set in the TIME config page) and to follow the external clock patched into the CLK input?

I looked up the manual but I found nothing about that.
Carrousel
^Rainmaker follows either the time setting or the CLK DIV setting. Whichever button was clicked on last. You can confirm this by setting an arbitrary time value whilst a steady clock is patched to delay CLK in. As soon as you click the clock div button you should see the tempo update to whatever the clock is inputting, divided by whatever the divide setting is. If you click the time button after this then the Rainmaker goes back to following internal time settings
tFunk
Thanks Raven_Martin!
Carrousel
No worries tFunk

The interesting bulk of this recording (i.e. the shifty pads) is the Rainmaker. Source is MI Rings running through the RM. I made about 10 user presets which were similar but slightly different and I manually cycle through them in the recording.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/291979011" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
damase
Raven_Martin wrote:
No worries tFunk

The interesting bulk of this recording (i.e. the shifty pads) is the Rainmaker. Source is MI Rings running through the RM. I made about 10 user presets which were similar but slightly different and I manually cycle through them in the recording.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/291979011" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

Such a blissful chorus/phasey sound
Carrousel
Thanks Damase, Rainmaker makes it so easy! Though I must elaborate: although the Rainmaker is creating most of the magic, the juicy chorus is coming from the outstanding AD Dimensions module which is in the chain pre-RM (so good to have stereo ins and outs on all these modules.)
thisisprisma
Raven_Martin wrote:
No worries tFunk

The interesting bulk of this recording (i.e. the shifty pads) is the Rainmaker. Source is MI Rings running through the RM. I made about 10 user presets which were similar but slightly different and I manually cycle through them in the recording.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/291979011" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


nice one! i enjoyed it
jjclark
Raven_Martin wrote:
^Rainmaker follows either the time setting or the CLK DIV setting. Whichever button was clicked on last. You can confirm this by setting an arbitrary time value whilst a steady clock is patched to delay CLK in. As soon as you click the clock div button you should see the tempo update to whatever the clock is inputting, divided by whatever the divide setting is. If you click the time button after this then the Rainmaker goes back to following internal time settings


That's almost right. The rotary encoder ONLY sets the delay time when the TIME button is pressed. In all other display modes (including that selected when you press the DIV button) the delay time follows the external clock or the tap tempo if there is no external clock.
moegl
Raven_Martin wrote:
the shifty pads


oh, this was amazing! more of this!
damase
something that would be cool would be more options for the trigger input... to work in a more sequenced manner. As opposed to randomly muting taps (which i also love) im imagining sending it triggers to 'cascade' the tap mutes down the line, or 'arpeggiate' pitch shifts through the taps in up, down, up/down, type of manner. Probably a deeper request than i realize, but it would definitely add some more predictable interesting behavior to the awesome trigger input.

my active imagination and abundance of feature requests only speaks to how much i love this module smile
Carrousel
^Sequential preset cycling on trigger in.....please please!
carvingcode
nrg242 wrote:
a simple Rings sequence into Rainmaker with an edited 2 Swells preset. clocked modulation from URA and Sputnik WCRS into just about everything on the rainmaker. bit of manual wiggling on the dry/wet lets the original sequence poke through later.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/naveen-g/rings-rainmaker-011/s-Ozw0n[/s]


Very effective patch. Simple is better. Nice ambiance.
jjclark
damase wrote:
something that would be cool would be more options for the trigger input... to work in a more sequenced manner. As opposed to randomly muting taps (which i also love) im imagining sending it triggers to 'cascade' the tap mutes down the line, or 'arpeggiate' pitch shifts through the taps in up, down, up/down, type of manner. Probably a deeper request than i realize, but it would definitely add some more predictable interesting behavior to the awesome trigger input.

my active imagination and abundance of feature requests only speaks to how much i love this module smile


hmmm, interesting idea...
jjclark
Raven_Martin wrote:
^Sequential preset cycling on trigger in.....please please!


The problem with this is that the trigger mode then couldn't be part of the preset, since it would change once you moved to the next preset and stop cycling.

A possibility would be to stack trigger effects, but this would be a UI nightmare. Well maybe not a nightmare, but at least involve tossing and turning.
Funky40
jjclark wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
^Sequential preset cycling on trigger in.....please please!


The problem with this is that the trigger mode then couldn't be part of the preset, since it would change once you moved to the next preset and stop cycling.

but what if you limit the chain of "cycable presets" to 4 or 8,
starting that chain allways at a certain (selectable) preset #, then just counting upwards,
and leave it therefore up to the user to be responsible that all the presets that he wants to cycle thru (lets say a number of 2/4/or 8 ) have the trigger setting set accordingly ?


would work for me wink
please, please, please
pylône
Quote:
suthnear]
Quote:
Since the rainmaker has 16 of these, you can set (up to) 16 different delay times. It should therefore be clear that this allows you to set up very complex delay pattens


Got it 15 days ago. Could you let me know how you can settle 16 different delay times? How you can settle for each tap? I only see the tap edit for individual setting!

A great module effect, in fact closer than Clouds, than other delays modules!
But even if i find Clouds great, you're a bit making all the time the same. With Rainmaker it seems that you can have change, travel across very differents colors, textures, designs for hours!!! and i'm far away to have tested and understood all its possibilities!

Other thing : the feedback sleep concept is not very clear for me!
pzoot
The relative spacing of the 16 taps is based on groove template used. With no groove, they are equidistant based on the grid setting
pylône
Ok, thanks pzoot!
Will going to try tonight.
Bien ta démo concrète Patate!
My only frustration at the moment is the lack of CVin. Mod A and B is not enough regarding all parameters possibilities to control.
I ask to Danjel few days ago, if planing an expander could be possible!
There is so many interesting parameters to control in the Rainmaker
That it could be great to have an expander with something like 8 Mod to assign (or more!) With little knob to save hp! More, add a midi In and control everything with CC!!!!
pylône
Quote:
GhostlyMostly

Will sound on sound ever be implemented, maybe in a future update or is sound on sound something Intellijel is trying to keep out of the nature of the Rainmaker?.?


It would be a really great feature!!!!
pylône
Sorry, post this too fast! i didn't see the jjclark's reply below
pylône
A very big thanks to Taylor Deupree and Rutabag 40 to approach what is my main problem now with the raimmaker, and spent my all day on that : the delay time/tap/pile/etc......More in darkness noting that Grain qty/size, feedback tap and clock time/div have also an effect on delay time!!!! Too much for my brain!!! And Taylor you have an advantage on me in reading the manual and share here with your native language!!!!!
So, i read the jjclark reply and it sounds clear now. Just have to practice. But the manual is quite unclear on all those concepts, and that would be good to add clarck's post reply which brings a lot of clarity.
And after reading the 34 pages of this post, i have been very happy to see that someone ask for that! We always feel like an idiot when we are alone to not understand something! hihi Or, you may be could writte a manual for idiot like made Sandy for her Reflex looper/SDS Digital! smile

One other thing : i have clicks when i freeze/loop with the trigger button, thing i don't have with my DLD!!!! Possible to correct it with a future firmware?

After have said that, even if i still don't understand all what i made, the rainmaker is so far the more creative and mostly without limits module i never got!
damase
pylône wrote:
the rainmaker is so far the more creative and mostly without limits module i never got!


Well said
pylône
I noticed several things :

1°)If i directed the Mod A to FB Detune l&r and Mod B to FB pitch l&r and come back to the feedback pitch parameter, and move both buttons, from CCW to CW, i see the FB tune goes from -32 to 31 but the pitch doesn't move While it works well? Is there an explanation?
Also, when i put the knob directed to FB Detune to 0 (at the notch) it displays 1 and not zero.

2°) I find the Pitch Shift knob a bit drastic, mostly at its beginning! That would
be nice if there were an exponential curve.

3°) That would be great if we can have the reverse function on each tap, not only on the all!

I decided to forget the comb resonator at this time and concentrate only on the delay section at first. So many things to do and to explore. Begining from nothing and add taps and different features.
An essential module for all loops lovers like me and repetitive music.
Did Steve Reich try it? He would discover all his music
pylône
jjclark wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
^Sequential preset cycling on trigger in.....please please!


The problem with this is that the trigger mode then couldn't be part of the preset, since it would change once you moved to the next preset and stop cycling.

A possibility would be to stack trigger effects, but this would be a UI nightmare. Well maybe not a nightmare, but at least involve tossing and turning.


Really a pity. Maybe the only feature that keeps me my Z-DSP!
greenanother
post, _, post, post, post, post, _, post, post POW!
dhoinjo
Is it normal that there's a lot of noise on the output when I turn the wet level 100% up? Or am I overlooking something? If the wet/dry level is at 50%, there is no notable hiss. But when I turn it all the way up there is really a lot of noise.
Is my input level too low maybe?
pzoot
dhoinjo wrote:
Is it normal that there's a lot of noise on the output when I turn the wet level 100% up? Or am I overlooking something? If the wet/dry level is at 50%, there is no notable hiss. But when I turn it all the way up there is really a lot of noise.
Is my input level too low maybe?


Yes - I never go above 50% on mine ... from manual:

"IN The outputs of the Analog to Digital converters. This is the point where the analog input signals, INL and INR, are converted to digital form, and it is crucial that these levels be kept away from the maximum value, otherwise objectionable distortion may occur (unless you like that sort of thing). These levels can be adjusted by using the attenuator controls located directly above the INL and INR jacks. For typical Eurorack signal levels, the attenuators will be set to the 12 o’clock position. The attenuators can be turned further clockwise if lower level input signals are used."
Carrousel
pzoot wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Is it normal that there's a lot of noise on the output when I turn the wet level 100% up? Or am I overlooking something? If the wet/dry level is at 50%, there is no notable hiss. But when I turn it all the way up there is really a lot of noise.
Is my input level too low maybe?


Yes - I never go above 50% on mine ... from manual:

"IN The outputs of the Analog to Digital converters. This is the point where the analog input signals, INL and INR, are converted to digital form, and it is crucial that these levels be kept away from the maximum value, otherwise objectionable distortion may occur (unless you like that sort of thing). These levels can be adjusted by using the attenuator controls located directly above the INL and INR jacks. For typical Eurorack signal levels, the attenuators will be set to the 12 o’clock position. The attenuators can be turned further clockwise if lower level input signals are used."


Dhoinjo is asking about dry / wet, not input levels. I guess it depends on the other settings. At higher feedback settings, especially on the comb side, small amounts of noise do accrue and bounce themselves around the delay taps, but I find this disappears to inaudible levels at more 'normal' feedback settings. I don't find a problem with dry / wet though. As long as feedback is reasonable you shouldn't really have a noise problem, even at 100% wet.
pzoot
Read that too quickly! And transposed one of my own early questions. Sorry about that!
newgreyarea
Scooped up a Rainmaker on Friday. Only got to play with it for about 30 minutes so far but have more time today. It's fairly intuitive to use. . . . so far.
I was getting some nasty distortion and turned the input levels down but now the module is quiet that I have to add a lot of gain afterwards which is weird for modular as I'm usually attenuating the output.
Also, after it clipped, the right output quit putting out!!! I power cycled the modular and it still wasn't working. Came back a few hours later and it loaded a preset and it seemed to be OK. . . . but I could see that being a nightmare live. If that's just something we have to deal with, I'll have to return it! Is this a bug? Anyone else have that happen?

Hopefully my toddler will leave me alone long enough to get through the important parts of the manual today. Only skimmed it trying to sort out the distortion thing. I assumed that it was modular level but modular level in a module in a modular case seems to be too hot!! Hah! Anything above 12 seems to distort.

What is the latest OS? Where do we get it?
Also, I'm missing a nut that goes on the Dry/Wet knob. . . . so it's all wobbly.
confused

When I read this, it doesn't sound like I'm having as much fun as I was having.
Sinamsis
From my brief experience (I got mine a week or two ago and have had very little time with it), I think you need to Meters/Gain section and turn things down. Also watch feedback on the comb side. I agree, it does not clip pleasantly haha. But it can be reigned in pretty easily. I certainly don't see this being an issue with live use, since you should have time to set up a preset with appropriate gain staging. But I'm probably the least educated on the Rainmaker in terms of folks posting haha.
newgreyarea
Sinamsis wrote:
From my brief experience (I got mine a week or two ago and have had very little time with it), I think you need to Meters/Gain section and turn things down. Also watch feedback on the comb side. I agree, it does not clip pleasantly haha. But it can be reigned in pretty easily. I certainly don't see this being an issue with live use, since you should have time to set up a preset with appropriate gain staging. But I'm probably the least educated on the Rainmaker in terms of folks posting haha.



Hmmmm. . . . Meters/Gain were not really helping. Seems like the slightest increase would cause it to distort. My signal is pretty straight forward.
Shapeshifter>Polaris>µVCA into Rainmaker. Just a single simple pluck pattern so that I can get a real idea of what's happening. Right now, anything over 10 o'clock is too much. The output is so low that I have to crank it and get all the signal noise associated with high levels of gain. I can't imagine that they'd design a module that can't be used with the rest of their modules.
There has to be something wrong here. I don't even have a module that will crank this loud enough without distorting to be heard in the mix with anything else. I went from having fun to being a little angry quickly. . . . . as I'm start to feel that mine is either messed up or it's just a shit module. I'm hoping the former as I sold a bit of kit to be able to get this. . . plus 3 hours in traffic.
-b
Sinamsis
Dude, check the output of the Polaris, I suspect that's the problem. Turn down the input drive on the Polaris and see if that helps. Try another filter and see if it does the same thing.
newgreyarea
Sinamsis wrote:
Dude, check the output of the Polaris, I suspect that's the problem. Turn down the input drive on the Polaris and see if that helps. Try another filter and see if it does the same thing.


It's not clipping. . . but yeah, I checked my levels elsewhere. If I bypass the Rainmaker I get a nice clean, loud signal into the UAD Apollo. Looks good on the meter. With the Rainmaker in there it barely shows on the meter and if I push at all I get either distortion from the Rainmaker or his from having to crank the volume afterwards. . . . Not giving up yet, but I'm kind of annoyed. Gonna keep digging through this damn manual!
Thanks!
-b
Zymos
Have you messed around with the settings under Routing+Config? Might help troubleshoot to, say, set it to L Dly, R CMB, Mono L+R, and only use the L in and out, and see if you are still loosing so much volume.
newgreyarea
Zymos wrote:
Have you messed around with the settings under Routing+Config? Might help troubleshoot to, say, set it to L Dly, R CMB, Mono L+R, and only use the L in and out, and see if you are still loosing so much volume.



Working my way through it. This all feels familiar in that I had the same issues when trying to integrate Eventide's Space and Timefactor. In the end I just stuck them on my mixer's aux send and they were great. Is this thing supposed to be on an aux?! Hah! If so, why is it a module and not a piece of rack gear!?? smile
I'm sure I'll get it sorted. . . . just annoyed right now. . . . and sick. waah
Zymos
Sorry, I think I meant Stereo instead of L+R, cause that one doesn't seem to separate the channels.

This is the most challenging module I've owned, or even of any hardware.
Infinite potential, but I find it hard to dial in. The comb section especially, it can get out of control really easily.
But just between posts, I found a great sound- took a while, on and off, but worth the work.
Carrousel
newgreyarea wrote:
Zymos wrote:
Have you messed around with the settings under Routing+Config? Might help troubleshoot to, say, set it to L Dly, R CMB, Mono L+R, and only use the L in and out, and see if you are still loosing so much volume.



Working my way through it. This all feels familiar in that I had the same issues when trying to integrate Eventide's Space and Timefactor. In the end I just stuck them on my mixer's aux send and they were great. Is this thing supposed to be on an aux?! Hah! If so, why is it a module and not a piece of rack gear!?? smile
I'm sure I'll get it sorted. . . . just annoyed right now. . . . and sick. waah


Honestly, stick with it and it will start to make sense. The input attenuators offer some gain (I think) for non-modular sources. Also, rather than start with presets, I would advise sticking with preset 1, which is just a single delay tap, then turning off both halves of the module. Go to the metering page and check that the input is coming in at an appropriate level. Once that's the case, make sure the routing is DLY>CMB, then turn on the delay effect. Go back to metering and mess with the delay gain until the meters are at the right level. This is the way you have to use it really, and there wouldn't really be any other way to do it. The module is obviously doing some crazy-level realtime DSP and it consists of sixteen delay lines with resonant filters and feedback. Obviously things can get out of hand and of course they don't sound nice when they do. That's why there are so many attenuating and gain options at every stage of the signal path. I guess its not for everyone, its not really an immediate module, but it is an absolute tweakers paradise (the best in eurorack?) if you like going deep and once you 'get it'. Hope this helps (and I hope I don't seem like a dick, obviously i'm not having a dig if its not for you)

edit to add quote
milkyjoe
jjclark:

what is the current firmware version and how do we check version installed ?

Are you working on new firmwares, or is this the final one ??
newgreyarea
Raven_Martin wrote:
newgreyarea wrote:
Zymos wrote:
Have you messed around with the settings under Routing+Config? Might help troubleshoot to, say, set it to L Dly, R CMB, Mono L+R, and only use the L in and out, and see if you are still loosing so much volume.



Working my way through it. This all feels familiar in that I had the same issues when trying to integrate Eventide's Space and Timefactor. In the end I just stuck them on my mixer's aux send and they were great. Is this thing supposed to be on an aux?! Hah! If so, why is it a module and not a piece of rack gear!?? smile
I'm sure I'll get it sorted. . . . just annoyed right now. . . . and sick. waah


Honestly, stick with it and it will start to make sense. The input attenuators offer some gain (I think) for non-modular sources. Also, rather than start with presets, I would advise sticking with preset 1, which is just a single delay tap, then turning off both halves of the module. Go to the metering page and check that the input is coming in at an appropriate level. Once that's the case, make sure the routing is DLY>CMB, then turn on the delay effect. Go back to metering and mess with the delay gain until the meters are at the right level. This is the way you have to use it really, and there wouldn't really be any other way to do it. The module is obviously doing some crazy-level realtime DSP and it consists of sixteen delay lines with resonant filters and feedback. Obviously things can get out of hand and of course they don't sound nice when they do. That's why there are so many attenuating and gain options at every stage of the signal path. I guess its not for everyone, its not really an immediate module, but it is an absolute tweakers paradise (the best in eurorack?) if you like going deep and once you 'get it'. Hope this helps (and I hope I don't seem like a dick, obviously i'm not having a dig if its not for you)

edit to add quote


Hah! I think it's misleading in how easy it seems to use versus the subtle changes that get out of control quickly. I'm not giving up. I kept a RYTM in a box for a year once. Hah! My concern was mostly that it seem so touchy and then the one output seemed to quit working for part of the day. It does feel like I should maybe put it in some sort of Aux send situation. . . . but I've not really been using my mixer lately.
I actually load an initialized/empty preset and go from there. That's kinda how I've always learned things. I was very anti-preset when I first got into synths. . . . and most didn't have any at the time.


I'm wondering if something can be done. I would like to spread the stereo image with an envelope and at the same time detune the delays. The detuning seems easy enough but I'm not positive how I might accomplish the panning. Seems like it would want to do traditional bouncing from left to right. . . but how would I tell it the 1-8 go Right and 9-16 go Left? Don't think it's possible.

Anyways, took a break to watch "13th". Heartbreaking. Now back to synths and hanging with the kiddo.

Thanks!
-b
Zymos
Some relatively restrained comb filtering, and some delay, and some other stuff

[s]http://soundcloud.com/zymos/squnkyTides[/s]
Daisuk
Nice track, Zymos! Well done. smile

Here's an ode to one of my favorite electronic acts, Marcia Blaine's School For Girls. Lots of Rainmaker in it (the first part that comes in is Rainmaker). It kind of fades from ambient territory into more blip blop as it goes on. smile

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/woodway[/s]
Zymos
Thanks Daisuk!
Always enjoy listening to yours as well. What is making that squeaky flute sound that comes in around 1/2 way?
jjclark
milkyjoe wrote:
jjclark:

what is the current firmware version and how do we check version installed ?

Are you working on new firmwares, or is this the final one ??


You'd have to ask Danjel, since he is the one that loads the firmware onto the modules before shipping. The version number will appear in the startup screen. The first firmware version that was shipped doesn't display the version number on startup, so if yours is like that you have version 1. The newer versions really don't have any significant differences to version 1.

We are working on a new version which will have a few differences and will handle some minor issues that users have noted.
kisielk
So far there's only been a minor change to the display firmware which corrected the trigger destinations being displayed in the wrong order.

There's a separate firmware for the FPGA / DSP section, of which there has only been one released version to date. Once the new version is released there will be a corresponding update to the display firmware as well and it will display both versions.
milkyjoe
Cool, thanks for the info
newgreyarea
OK, felling pretty good about this now. Seemed to get a hold on leveling. It's so touchy!!
Did a little drum processing through it yesterday. Was cool!

Any patch tips/ideas? Do we have supplemental patch book/manual like we have for some of the other Intellijel pieces?

I find those to be great starts and sometimes provide an approach that I wouldn't have thought of.

Thanks!
-b
dhoinjo
Raven_Martin wrote:
pzoot wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Is it normal that there's a lot of noise on the output when I turn the wet level 100% up? Or am I overlooking something? If the wet/dry level is at 50%, there is no notable hiss. But when I turn it all the way up there is really a lot of noise.
Is my input level too low maybe?


Yes - I never go above 50% on mine ... from manual:

"IN The outputs of the Analog to Digital converters. This is the point where the analog input signals, INL and INR, are converted to digital form, and it is crucial that these levels be kept away from the maximum value, otherwise objectionable distortion may occur (unless you like that sort of thing). These levels can be adjusted by using the attenuator controls located directly above the INL and INR jacks. For typical Eurorack signal levels, the attenuators will be set to the 12 o’clock position. The attenuators can be turned further clockwise if lower level input signals are used."


Dhoinjo is asking about dry / wet, not input levels. I guess it depends on the other settings. At higher feedback settings, especially on the comb side, small amounts of noise do accrue and bounce themselves around the delay taps, but I find this disappears to inaudible levels at more 'normal' feedback settings. I don't find a problem with dry / wet though. As long as feedback is reasonable you shouldn't really have a noise problem, even at 100% wet.


Yes indeed. I was talking about the output, not about the input. Sorry to respond this late. Was on a holiday. I have the comb section deactivated and the feedback set to zero. There is a lot of his when I go beyond 12 o'clock on the dry/wet button. (I'm talking about sending it through a PA-system to play live). At home it doesn't bother me but on a stage with the volume turned up it's quite hissy...
damase
pylône wrote:
I noticed several things :

2°) I find the Pitch Shift knob a bit drastic, mostly at its beginning! That would
be nice if there were an exponential curve.


i could get behind this request too... i love the global pitch knob, but the more useful range is definitely +/-5 semitones. i would even find it useful if there was an option to global shift by 'quantized' semitones.

id also agree there could be a few more modulation routings... there is tons to do with just the surface of the rm but the many of the current routings are either just scratch that surface, or too drastic for flipping the deeper functions around.

for example: being able to modulate the grid, tap, piles, slip settings would give a lot more modulation that would be instantly rhythmically appealing with the knobs or CV. these are the functions that i tend to play with a lot 'live' because there is sweet spots all over them. as opposed to modulating the filters which is more obvious and timbre related or the groove which for me is more of a "find the sweet spot and then dont touch it"
Carrousel
^ I agree entirely with this
newgreyarea
Raven_Martin wrote:
^ I agree entirely with this


^I see your agree-ness and raise you the ability to Reverse individual Taps. . . . unless it can be done already and I'm just an idiot.

Quantizing the Pitch knob would sweet! Dunno if using a quantizer before it would have the desired effect.

-b
Zymos
newgreyarea wrote:


Quantizing the Pitch knob would sweet! Dunno if using a quantizer before it would have the desired effect.

-b


Quantizer would only help if Pitch already tracks 1V/Oct.
damase
newgreyarea wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
^ I agree entirely with this


^I see your agree-ness and raise you the ability to Reverse individual Taps. . . . unless it can be done already and I'm just an idiot.

Quantizing the Pitch knob would sweet! Dunno if using a quantizer before it would have the desired effect.

-b


quantizers shoot out precise voltages to be musical notes, this would be useful if there was a 1v/oct input on the pitch shift... which there isnt. but even if there was, the global pitch shift knob is not dependent on the musical note in the buffer, and it would be useful to transpose a predictable harmonic amount no matter what youre transposing
Carrousel
Finally got around to running some non-modular gear through the Rainmaker. The melodic '60s sci-fi-esque' pads in this track were made by running a Volca FM through the Rainmaker. Not too much being altered on the Rainmaker other than feedback amount and tone.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/294877965" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Funky40
MODERATOR EDIT:

please stop posting FS adds in threads. just put a link in your signature or bump your FS post in the BST forum once a day or whatever.




hey, i just wanted to edit that out myself RIGHT NOW!
just one thing: why do we have here two measures ?
Daisuk
Rainmaker-heavy patch filmed by a drunkard.



I really need to get a tripod that will actually hold my camera, hah. lol
greenanother
Back to the grittier explorations of Rainmaker. Just Shapeshifter>Rainmaker-nothing else.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rainmaker-studies-3[/s]
maltemark
Raven_Martin wrote:
Finally got around to running some non-modular gear through the Rainmaker. The melodic '60s sci-fi-esque' pads in this track were made by running a Volca FM through the Rainmaker. Not too much being altered on the Rainmaker other than feedback amount and tone.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/294877965" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Is that Chomsky I hear?
Carrousel
maltemark wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
Finally got around to running some non-modular gear through the Rainmaker. The melodic '60s sci-fi-esque' pads in this track were made by running a Volca FM through the Rainmaker. Not too much being altered on the Rainmaker other than feedback amount and tone.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/294877965" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Is that Chomsky I hear?


It certainly is! Well heard w00t
scottmoon
greenanother wrote:
Back to the grittier explorations of Rainmaker. Just Shapeshifter>Rainmaker-nothing else.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rainmaker-studies-3[/s]


I love this. Sounds like mutated string orchestra. This might be the first demo I've heard that makes me want to pull the trigger on this one. thumbs up
greenanother
scottmoon wrote:
greenanother wrote:
Back to the grittier explorations of Rainmaker. Just Shapeshifter>Rainmaker-nothing else.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rainmaker-studies-3[/s]


I love this. Sounds like mutated string orchestra. This might be the first demo I've heard that makes me want to pull the trigger on this one. thumbs up


Guinness ftw!
timoka
exploring rainmaker right now, really interesting module and fun to play with!
i like the rhythmic variations one can get out of this even though i'm not sure if i completely understand all the different delay time changing aspects yet.

here's a short first test

[s]http://soundcloud.com/uzala/etude[/s]
greenanother
timoka wrote:
exploring rainmaker right now, really interesting module and fun to play with!
i like the rhythmic variations one can get out of this even though i'm not sure if i completely understand all the different delay time changing aspects yet.

here's a short first test

[s]http://soundcloud.com/uzala/etude[/s]


Really like this, but as we've all figured out when first delving in to this module, you have to really watch your levels if you don't want to get unwanted clipping/distortion.
timoka
haha ja, i know, the distortion however comes from deco and is volitional!
btw it would be nice if rainmaker would distort like this... smile
greenanother
timoka wrote:
haha ja, i know, the distortion however comes from deco and is volitional!
btw it would be nice if rainmaker would distort like this... smile


ha! my bad hihi
taylor12k
my #1 rainmaker feature wish would be to have an option for the pitch to be varispeed style.... not time stretch style. so when you pitched down, the whole signal slowed down as well.

not sure if that's possible. then we're entering sampling territory perhaps... nots sure how all this stuff works.
scottmoon
timoka wrote:
exploring rainmaker right now, really interesting module and fun to play with!
i like the rhythmic variations one can get out of this even though i'm not sure if i completely understand all the different delay time changing aspects yet.

here's a short first test

[s]http://soundcloud.com/uzala/etude[/s]


Lovely. thumbs up
adolfgottmann
We definitely need an expander with more cv ins
adolfgottmann
..and looper functionalities
jjclark
adolfgottmann wrote:
We definitively need an expander with more cv ins


It already has 8 cv ins that can modulate a total of 38 different parameters. What would you want to modulate that you can't already do?
jjclark
adolfgottmann wrote:
..and looper functionalities


It can already loop, just set the delay feedback to unity gain and it will loop forever. Make the delay feedback a bit less than unit to have the loops fade out. Use the FEEDBACK CV to turn looping on and off.
carvingcode
jjclark wrote:
adolfgottmann wrote:
..and looper functionalities


It can already loop, just set the delay feedback to unity gain and it will loop forever. Make the delay feedback a bit less than unit to have the loops fade out. Use the FEEDBACK CV to turn looping on and off.


I was working with Rainmaker last evening, trying to emulate a 4ms DLD. I got pretty close.

Can you tell me where 'unity gain' is on the delay feedback knob? To the right of center?
newgreyarea
jjclark wrote:
adolfgottmann wrote:
..and looper functionalities


It can already loop, just set the delay feedback to unity gain and it will loop forever. Make the delay feedback a bit less than unit to have the loops fade out. Use the FEEDBACK CV to turn looping on and off.



I'm a dumb. I need video. Me barely human.
scottmoon
I was trying to back up the SysEx file from RM via USB to my Mac laptop but the RM isn't showing up in my list of connected USB devices or my Librarian App. Anyone have any success with this and might be able to point me in the right direction. very frustrating
scottmoon
scottmoon wrote:
I was trying to back up the SysEx file from RM via USB to my Mac laptop but the RM isn't showing up in my list of connected USB devices or my Librarian App. Anyone have any success with this and might be able to point me in the right direction. very frustrating


DOH! Drunken Homer Simpson

Kamil from Intellijel pointed out to me that there is a second USB connector sandwiched between the boards. All is well now.
damase
jjclark wrote:
adolfgottmann wrote:
We definitively need an expander with more cv ins


It already has 8 cv ins that can modulate a total of 38 different parameters. What would you want to modulate that you can't already do?


Just in case you didnt notice, a couple pages back a few of us mentioned how we would love to have modulation destinations for grid, piles, taps, slip, and grain quantity. I think those destinations would get the most use out of the mod knobs for me and would provide a endless world of rhythmic variation as voltage control.... I tend to play with those settings a lot live with the encoder
Zymos
Agreed - I would love to see those parameters added to mod A and B.
greenanother
+1
nrg242
+1 as well. this thing makes me wish i had three hands.
Carrousel
+1 Absolutely. I find the most interesting parameters to change live are grid and piles. Would love CV on those!
Synthomas
+1 Definitly (first post..)

And why not differents destinations for the internal LFO (I personnally never use it as it is fix to time and miss a square wave for rytmical things - it's design for vibrato and glitches now)

Also, I'd love some destinations restrictions for the randomness (better than one or all)

And maybe some 1ms fade in fade out for the looping function (clicks come too easily actually)

And would it be possible to have 0 grain for pure pitch shifting operations ?

Thanks for your attention.
Sushi2k
I would love:

- a compressor / limiter option for the feedback loop
- an alternative behavior of the dry/wet mix, seems to have a non linear curve
jjclark
The upcoming update will have additional destinations for the trigger and modA/B inputs. We are also testing out preset CV, which so far seems to work OK.

You can't have 0 grains. Then nothing would sound. You can have 1 grain, with no envelope if you want to do pure pitch shifting, but it only runs for a short period of time (.6 sec max) before jumping ahead. I can't increase this time (technically the delay line memory is enough that it could be increased to 20 seconds, but we run into hardware limitations on the FPGA before getting this far). Also, when this sort of pitch shifting is run for longer intervals, the delay time gets way out of whack and the module becomes much less useful as a delay box. So we are not going to change this.

The wet/dry IS linear, which is probably why you think it is nonlinear. You are probably wanting a constant power crossfade, which gives a more constant level, at least for uncorrelated wet and dry signals.
Carrousel
preset CV!!!

Yasss
greenanother
Raven_Martin wrote:
preset CV!!!

Yasss


Drinking
damase
we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
FadingCanvas
I'm dropping a not here to 'sign in' the Rainmaker thread. Got myself one less than a week ago. It took a little while to find out about the input & output gains (distortion, ugh), and why I didn't get any feedback. But a little RFTM was helpful. Soon after that I was droning into a parallel dimension with the resonator applause Another patch when feeding some Elements bell sounds into a custom delay had me mesmerized hihi

Lot more exploring to do, and some more RFTM. thumbs up
Innerself2007
jjclark wrote:
The upcoming update will have additional destinations for the trigger and modA/B inputs. We are also testing out preset CV, which so far seems to work OK.

You can't have 0 grains. Then nothing would sound. You can have 1 grain, with no envelope if you want to do pure pitch shifting, but it only runs for a short period of time (.6 sec max) before jumping ahead. I can't increase this time (technically the delay line memory is enough that it could be increased to 20 seconds, but we run into hardware limitations on the FPGA before getting this far). Also, when this sort of pitch shifting is run for longer intervals, the delay time gets way out of whack and the module becomes much less useful as a delay box. So we are not going to change this.

The wet/dry IS linear, which is probably why you think it is nonlinear. You are probably wanting a constant power crossfade, which gives a more constant level, at least for uncorrelated wet and dry signals.


Yes! SlayerBadger!
CF3
Sorry if I missed it already......

Is there a way for the Rainmaker to remember the last Preset used when powering back up?
Spiked Lunch
CF3 wrote:
Sorry if I missed it already......

Is there a way for the Rainmaker to remember the last Preset used when powering back up?


+1000!!
greenanother
Mangrove>3 Sisters> Rainmaker=drone
Shapshifter>Sputnik Quad VCA/LPG>Clouds=percussion
All through Strymon Big Sky Reverb

[s]https://soundcloud.com/greenanother/rain-studies-4[/s]
FadingCanvas
Had some fun; Turing Machine pattern->Quantizer->Elements->Rainmaker. After a certain amount of notes the 'Randomize All' function was triggered. Just a matter of leaning back and enjoying the show. hihi

I did see a little bug during this: the value for Piles in the Grid/Stack edit had a value of 'Bandpass' now and then.

Another bug I have seen is when editing the function of the Mod A and Mod B. Sometimes the module seems to do a reset, the friendly robot is shown briefly.

However, it seems that these bugs of the user interface do not seem to effect the sound engine. As if they are separate.
bemushroomed
CF3 wrote:
Sorry if I missed it already......

Is there a way for the Rainmaker to remember the last Preset used when powering back up?


I recently read another thread here about these issues with digital modules and Raninmaker was mentioned as an example confused

Imo this sucks, because after a while this piles up.. first you have one unit that doesnt remember where you left off, ok, not a huge problem.. but when you have 4-5 other modules that acts this way and you have to manually switch all of them to the last preset you were using, then it can get both confusing and annoying.

If its a unit with many presets (i have some with close to 500 presets, and it will always start at preset 1), then you either have to copy it to preset 1 or write things down.. and more importantly you have to remember to do this (this is where i fail most of the time lol). It's soooo much fun to go through 500 presets to find the one you were using.
damase
Ill chime in and say it doeant bother me. Just use preset 1 as your temporary/loaded preset and always save it before you power it off. Theres lots of synths out there that dont load up the exact way they turned off.

I definitely could use more than 128 presets though
Zymos
If it was the thread I think, some people were not just asking for starting up on the last used preset, but for starting up on the last used settings which is a big difference and apparently more of a big deal to implement.
bemushroomed
Zymos wrote:
If it was the thread I think, some people were not just asking for starting up on the last used preset, but for starting up on the last used settings which is a big difference and apparently more of a big deal to implement.


I don't get the deal with that if you can save presets. It's not common that any synth even outside of eurorack would save what you have been doing if you just decide to turn it off without saving your patch first. Having to remember to always copy to preset 1 on all your digital modules which doesnt save which preset you are on, that does suck though.
Zymos
I agree, and think last used preset is probably not that hard to implement.

I'm sure I've never owned a synth that would save changes that I hadn't explicitly saved, nor would I ever even want that.
Sinamsis
Zymos wrote:
I agree, and think last used preset is probably not that hard to implement.

I'm sure I've never owned a synth that would save changes that I hadn't explicitly saved, nor would I ever even want that.


Totally off topic, but Elektron devices remember their settings from the previous power cycle without having to save anything. Also Mutable Instruments digital modules remember their state. Not saying the Rainmaker should. But it is a typical Intellijel feature. uStep, uScale, Shapeshifter. I accept them all for what they are haha.
SamUK
My Rainmaker is hopefully arriving this week... so my suggestions for firmware additions just come from reading the manual (so apologies for any misunderstandings).

Any chance of a notch filter being added to the tap filter choices. That plus piles could give you an interesting pseudo phaser effect.

Also, would it be possible to have an odd and even version of the 'tap filter cut', 'tap filter Q' and 'tap filter balance' destinations (i.e. only address odd taps or even taps).
Zymos
Made a pretty trippy patch- sounds are from Rings. I turn on reverse on RM after a bit, and modulate filter cutoff with Nano Rand.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/zymos/makingrain[/s]
Carrousel
^Beautiful!

Its like music from a dream sequence in something like Final Fantasy.
RoaFL
This is one of those modules that I don't need; I don't need it at all for any reason.
Something inside my stupid dinosaur brain makes me want it so bad, though.
djhyperspace
Get it. It's soooooo interesting to explore. Has taught me a few things for sure. It also sounds amazing in about 1000 ways. If you get bored of it, it's YOU and not rainmaker. Class act
RoaFL
You're not helping. MY ASS IS BLEEDING
djhyperspace
I know.... applause
Carrousel
Yeah it's a completely unique bit of kit, which is probably quite a rare thing these days. It doesn't give immediate gratification but it's a tweaker's / programmer's paradise. The presets are misleading. It's important to be able to save your own because there are so many settings, plus it's nice to have examples of the myriad things the machine does, but you can't really push anything through a random preset and expect to get useful results. Still, it makes sounds that are like nothing else.
damase
Just when i thought there was infinite worlds to explore with the RM, i inserted an Integra Funkitus module pre RM clock signal and now theres infinite^infinite. Rainmaker is a forever honeymoon module.
Carrousel
Just made this track where the Rainmaker rips seven shades of shit out of a Dixicon FM bass line. All the bizarre bell / ambient / delay feedback sounds are the Rainmaker working its magic on the same bass line you can hear in real-time.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/305938702" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Daisuk
Hah, that's bloody ace, Raven! Great work. applause

I agree regarding the Rainmaker - it's one of a kind - mindblowing. I've soon had mine for a year, but there's just no way to get to the bottom of this thing. I often try stuff I imagine wouldn't sound good through Rainmaker through it, and usually I find a preset I've made that makes it shine somehow.

And, you always get the feeling you've just scratched the surface. I actually very rarely modulate mine when using it, I usually just modulate whatever is going into it. So I've got that to explore as well, which of course is a black hole all in itself. lol
Zymos
Wow, that's crazy Raven- reminded me somewhat of some Eat Static I was just listening to yesterday.

Agree about the presets. It's cool they exist, but at the same time they can be practically useless.

I've had this thing since it came out and still feel like a newbie. The clip I posted above was one of the first times I'd even fed it modulation!
mookid
is it normal that when I'm not touching any knobs or control for a moment the rainmaker's display goes black ?
pitri
mookid wrote:
is it normal that when I'm not touching any knobs or control for a moment the rainmaker's display goes black ?


yes - its powersave mode.
rtfm or this thread... nanners
mookid
thanks, much love for this module ! screaming goo yo
Phase47
RoaFL wrote:
This is one of those modules that I don't need; I don't need it at all for any reason.
Something inside my stupid dinosaur brain makes me want it so bad, though.


Yes. i have no need and I'd have to get another case just to house it. And yet...
bkbirge
Everyone needs this module, it's killer.
venx
[s]https://soundcloud.com/scarboglasgow/anxious-1[/s]

elements + rainmaker. got this module last week, worth every penny. love it.
tFunk
Any news about the new firmware release?
Ruiner
Couldn't resist... ordered!
Worwell
Took delivery of a Rainmaker yesterday and am loving the sounds and possibilities of it. Is there no CV control over global dry/wet? Am I missing it? Cv over delay dry/wet didn't seem to do much with my quick tests.
evileye0702
Worwell wrote:
Took delivery of a Rainmaker yesterday and am loving the sounds and possibilities of it. Is there no CV control over global dry/wet? Am I missing it? Cv over delay dry/wet didn't seem to do much with my quick tests.


MOD A/B can be set to modulate several different parameters including dry/wet.

"The selection of the rhythm delay’s wet/dry mix is controlled by the MOD
signal. This is not an offset, but directly overrides the current setting."
Worwell
evileye0702 wrote:
Worwell wrote:
Took delivery of a Rainmaker yesterday and am loving the sounds and possibilities of it. Is there no CV control over global dry/wet? Am I missing it? Cv over delay dry/wet didn't seem to do much with my quick tests.


MOD A/B can be set to modulate several different parameters including dry/wet.

"The selection of the rhythm delay’s wet/dry mix is controlled by the MOD
signal. This is not an offset, but directly overrides the current setting."


I understand that but "Delay Dry/Wet" doesn't correspond to the global "Mix Dry/Wet" knob, correct?
Worwell
Worwell wrote:
evileye0702 wrote:
Worwell wrote:
Took delivery of a Rainmaker yesterday and am loving the sounds and possibilities of it. Is there no CV control over global dry/wet? Am I missing it? Cv over delay dry/wet didn't seem to do much with my quick tests.


MOD A/B can be set to modulate several different parameters including dry/wet.

"The selection of the rhythm delay’s wet/dry mix is controlled by the MOD
signal. This is not an offset, but directly overrides the current setting."


I understand that but "Delay Dry/Wet" doesn't correspond to the global "Mix Dry/Wet" knob, correct?


Page 11 of the manual refers to difference between the Delay line Wet/Dry and the global Wet/Dry control. So I take this mean (and my quick tests seem to confirm) that you can't CV global Wet/Dry, but hopefully I'm missing something.
kisielk
Worwell wrote:
Worwell wrote:
evileye0702 wrote:
Worwell wrote:
Took delivery of a Rainmaker yesterday and am loving the sounds and possibilities of it. Is there no CV control over global dry/wet? Am I missing it? Cv over delay dry/wet didn't seem to do much with my quick tests.


MOD A/B can be set to modulate several different parameters including dry/wet.

"The selection of the rhythm delay’s wet/dry mix is controlled by the MOD
signal. This is not an offset, but directly overrides the current setting."


I understand that but "Delay Dry/Wet" doesn't correspond to the global "Mix Dry/Wet" knob, correct?


Page 11 of the manual refers to difference between the Delay line Wet/Dry and the global Wet/Dry control. So I take this mean (and my quick tests seem to confirm) that you can't CV global Wet/Dry, but hopefully I'm missing something.


There's no CV over global wet dry, it's analog. You'll need to patch something externally.
damase
tFunk wrote:
Any news about the new firmware release?


Id love news too! Firmware update is gonna be awesome if it even incoorporates half of the feature requests we have mentioned
Sleipnir
Just thought I'd throw this up to show how Rainmaker can be 'instant awesome' for a (relatively) simple patch. Maybe that's not a good thing. ha.

SynthTech E340 does the bell-like sounds, while a pair of Pittsburg VCOs into a ring modulator does the "growly" bits.
This was run into Rainmaker for the... atmosphere.
[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/316132424" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
FadingCanvas
Rainmaker . . . making a rainy atmosphere out of the output of Mutable Instruments Elements
exper
Great patch @FadingCanvas applause
Worwell
FadingCanvas wrote:
Rainmaker . . . making a rainy atmosphere out of the output of Mutable Instruments Elements


Tremendous. Nice work.
Worwell
I'm two days into a blissful honeymoon period with the Rainmaker. What a module! Here are four voices cycling through it: 1) Complex Oscillator/Optomix/DLD 2) Benjolin 3) Harmonic Oscillator 4) Radio Music/Clouds.

Daisuk
My favorite track off my latest record/album features a lot of Rainmaker. smile

[s]http://soundcloud.com/user-863240352/katmandu[/s]

Check out the whole thing here:
http://www.marsmelons.com/mmx114-cas-todden-code-conduct-sh/
nordheim
hi all,
i purchased one of these earlier this week and while i love it, i have had a few issues concerning tempo and clock control. i have read that danged manual twice through and havent been able to figure this out. once again, thick skull syndrome is setting in.. (even more reason why i love make noise and their video series for almost every module they have ever made)

so, lets say i want a ten second delay, 100% wet. i turn on a single tap and go to clock/time and dial that in. ok, i then am met with around that amount of time of total silence and then the delay hits! yes! but its only a few seconds long, not the preestablished 10sec. where is that 3sec parameter? what gives? also, i thought each tap was independently clockable. also, i find the tempo button to be fairly inconsistent in terms of trying to dial down longer delays...

please let me know what i am missing.
id like to figure out how to...
not have that silence (its not from being 100%wet, across the board regardless of %)
and how to set those longer times and actually have them be that in a delay...

i have spent hours with it now and have yet to be able to crack this. i have found it a lot of fun other than this. given my understanding of it, i should be able to set a few different lengths of taps and then have them cascade accordingly, ala music for airports type repeats... i am on firmware 1.02.
thanks!
thelizard
nordheim wrote:

so, lets say i want a ten second delay, 100% wet. i turn on a single tap and go to clock/time and dial that in. ok, i then am met with around that amount of time of total silence and then the delay hits! yes! but its only a few seconds long, not the preestablished 10sec. where is that 3sec parameter? what gives? also, i thought each tap was independently clockable. also, i find the tempo button to be fairly inconsistent in terms of trying to dial down longer delays...


The Delay Time parameter sets the total length of the delay, not the time for a single tap. Tap #16 should be a 10 second delay in your example.

The "Groove" setting determines how the taps are spaced out. By "default", they are evenly spaced (default meaning the Factory Preset #1). There isn't a more granular control for per-tap timing. The easiest thing to do is to map MOD A and B to Groove Type and Amount. This gives an easy way to audition various settings. I wouldn't modulate those parameters with CV, though.
InnnerSight
Worwell - Loving that tune.

It sounds like it works so well with the chaotic nature of the Benjolin.
Worwell
InnnerSight wrote:
Worwell - Loving that tune.

It sounds like it works so well with the chaotic nature of the Benjolin.


Thanks @InnnerSight. The Rainmaker is great and often do get the Benjolin involved for wild modulations.
behndy
Ruiner wrote:
Couldn't resist... ordered!


lol. i am still getting my head around his Shapeshifter. but DAYUM this looks so beautiful.
intellijel
nordheim wrote:

please let me know what i am missing.
id like to figure out how to...
not have that silence (its not from being 100%wet, across the board regardless of %)
and how to set those longer times and actually have them be that in a delay...


Hi Nordheim,

You should try playing with the Feedback -> Tap # value. This would set the repeat rate of any individual tap.

e.g. If I have only the 4th tap active, grid size = 4/beat (1/16th notes) and my feedback tap# is 1 then the following would happen if I sent an audio impulse to the rainmaker inputs:
audio comes in and you hear the dry signal (assuming a wet/dry blend that allows some dry), then you would hear the first tap 1/4 note later (4 x 1/16th notes or 4 grid spaces) then that sound would start repeating every 1/16th note since this is the feedback setting.

If you wanted to make a conventional 1-tap delay you would set your feedback tap# to be the same as your single active tap.
nordheim
thelizard wrote:
nordheim wrote:

so, lets say i want a ten second delay, 100% wet. i turn on a single tap and go to clock/time and dial that in. ok, i then am met with around that amount of time of total silence and then the delay hits! yes! but its only a few seconds long, not the preestablished 10sec. where is that 3sec parameter? what gives? also, i thought each tap was independently clockable. also, i find the tempo button to be fairly inconsistent in terms of trying to dial down longer delays...


The Delay Time parameter sets the total length of the delay, not the time for a single tap. Tap #16 should be a 10 second delay in your example.

The "Groove" setting determines how the taps are spaced out. By "default", they are evenly spaced (default meaning the Factory Preset #1). There isn't a more granular control for per-tap timing. The easiest thing to do is to map MOD A and B to Groove Type and Amount. This gives an easy way to audition various settings. I wouldn't modulate those parameters with CV, though.


awesome! thanks for the help. this totally fixed my audio gap issue!
nordheim
intellijel wrote:
nordheim wrote:

please let me know what i am missing.
id like to figure out how to...
not have that silence (its not from being 100%wet, across the board regardless of %)
and how to set those longer times and actually have them be that in a delay...


Hi Nordheim,

You should try playing with the Feedback -> Tap # value. This would set the repeat rate of any individual tap.

e.g. If I have only the 4th tap active, grid size = 4/beat (1/16th notes) and my feedback tap# is 1 then the following would happen if I sent an audio impulse to the rainmaker inputs:
audio comes in and you hear the dry signal (assuming a wet/dry blend that allows some dry), then you would hear the first tap 1/4 note later (4 x 1/16th notes or 4 grid spaces) then that sound would start repeating every 1/16th note since this is the feedback setting.

If you wanted to make a conventional 1-tap delay you would set your feedback tap# to be the same as your single active tap.


ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. saying it that way really makes sense to me now. dont know why i had such issues comprehending this. thanks so much for giving me the pro scoop. i love this thing. here i am using it yesterday afternoon. https://www.instagram.com/p/BTPVWjolpn3/?taken-by=seancurtispatrick
resynthesize
i got a rainmaker from a fellow wiggler a couple of weeks ago and have been exploring nightly ever since. there's so much sonic potential here, I feel like i've just scratched the surface.

the main issue I have is that every time i sit down to try and explore with it, I find something that sounds good right away and end up just wiggling with that for awhile.

here's a video where short random bursts are being fed into the rainmaker via a send on the dubmix. the subtle pitch drift on the delays is coming from modulation to MOD A/B cv inputs which are assigned to the left and right feedback pitch detune.

exper
applause applause applause
grimley
Is there a way to have the first repeat filtered using the feedback tone knob? I know I can use the individual tap filters.
ibzieg
grimley wrote:
Is there a way to have the first repeat filtered using the feedback tone knob? I know I can use the individual tap filters.


You could also assign one of the Mod knobs to Tap Filter Cutoff
Daisuk
Fuck yes, this looks ace!

Testing something new.... Rainmaker just became so much more fun to explore!!!! #eurorack… https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

applause
CF3
Daisuk wrote:
Fuck yes, this looks ace!

Testing something new.... Rainmaker just became so much more fun to explore!!!! #eurorack… https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

applause


Thanks for this. Super pumped for anything new related to the Rainmaker. I'm loving it so much. nanners
damase
Daisuk wrote:
Fuck yes, this looks ace!

Testing something new.... Rainmaker just became so much more fun to explore!!!! #eurorack… https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

applause


Wow feedback at max there and no clicks from size modulation either

More excited for this update than probably any other module
Carrousel
^ I agree, looks like a complete game changer.

The Rainmaker is one of my most used and loved modules, but it does need serious attention to keep levels happy; if you can now just hammer the feedback with no clippingissues then this will be ridiculous fun!
Krater
How does the firmware update work on the Rainmaker, similar to Shape Shifter? Did not find it in the manual.
blinosynth
is it possible for the reinmaker to use it as a harmonic osc?
CF3
Krater wrote:
How does the firmware update work on the Rainmaker, similar to Shape Shifter? Did not find it in the manual.


Very curious about this myself. Please let it be less of a hassle than the Shapeshifter is for mac users.
jjclark
CF3 wrote:
Krater wrote:
How does the firmware update work on the Rainmaker, similar to Shape Shifter? Did not find it in the manual.


Very curious about this myself. Please let it be less of a hassle than the Shapeshifter is for mac users.


The firmware update process is identical to that of the shapeshifter.
kisielk
jjclark wrote:
CF3 wrote:
Krater wrote:
How does the firmware update work on the Rainmaker, similar to Shape Shifter? Did not find it in the manual.


Very curious about this myself. Please let it be less of a hassle than the Shapeshifter is for mac users.


The firmware update process is identical to that of the shapeshifter.


Well, you also need to update the display firmware so there's one more step wink sorry everyone...
Krater
o.k. thank you for the clarification. Did the shapeshifter update twice, guess I can handle it and the display update via usb should be no problem at all. Looking forward to the release!
gb
Hi rainmaker users,

After playing around with my newly aquired rainmaker i have a question regarding the grains (quantity and size):
Which options do you choose for the most hifi sound? I don't get just clean delays with any combination...they always sound "granularized" if that makes sense...
When do you choose wich setting? Depending on the delay time?
Most presets are using qnt 2 and size 168 (standard setting?)

Thanks for some help!
Cheers
gb
Addition to the grain-question...
Does the grains settings only have an influence on the sound if i change the pitch pet tap or master pitch shift knob?
Thanks!
pitri
can we have a link to the beta FW?
resynthesize
Any update on the new firmware?
lohacker


Great video, thanks! thumbs up
dhoinjo
Daisuk wrote:
Fuck yes, this looks ace!

Testing something new.... Rainmaker just became so much more fun to explore!!!! #eurorack… https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUMzD5zFfPH/

applause


please let this new firmware come soon! we're not worthy
drinkcorpsevomit
gb wrote:
Hi rainmaker users,

After playing around with my newly aquired rainmaker i have a question regarding the grains (quantity and size):
Which options do you choose for the most hifi sound? I don't get just clean delays with any combination...they always sound "granularized" if that makes sense...
When do you choose wich setting? Depending on the delay time?
Most presets are using qnt 2 and size 168 (standard setting?)

Thanks for some help!
Cheers


I'd like to know this too. If its just part of the character of the machine, fine. But if I'm doing something wrong it would be good to know.

Anyone got any insight?
damase
drinkcorpsevomit wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi rainmaker users,

After playing around with my newly aquired rainmaker i have a question regarding the grains (quantity and size):
Which options do you choose for the most hifi sound? I don't get just clean delays with any combination...they always sound "granularized" if that makes sense...
When do you choose wich setting? Depending on the delay time?
Most presets are using qnt 2 and size 168 (standard setting?)

Thanks for some help!
Cheers


I'd like to know this too. If its just part of the character of the machine, fine. But if I'm doing something wrong it would be good to know.

Anyone got any insight?


Does the stock preset 1 not get clean delay signals? (i saved over mine a while ago)

The comb filter can be used as a relatively clean delay as well, however as a part of the upcoming firmware I'm hoping some of the clicking will be cleaned up for better CV usage. Setting it to 2 Taps should be as a regular delay I believe

fwiw after using the Rainmaker for a long time, I've gotten so used to sound design on it that I can easily coax the results I desire based from a more birds-eye perspective of "what type of space do I want" or "where do I want certain frequency content in my mix", "do I want a rhythmic structure" ect... but If i want just a 'normal' delay sound i plug in my Chronoblob because its much easier.
Carrousel
damase wrote:


fwiw after using the Rainmaker for a long time, I've gotten so used to sound design on it that I can easily coax the results I desire based from a more birds-eye perspective of "what type of space do I want" or "where do I want certain frequency content in my mix", "do I want a rhythmic structure" ect... but If i want just a 'normal' delay sound i plug in my Chronoblob because its much easier.


This is precisely how I use my Rainmaker too. It can bring any number of different 'vibes' to a track, be they rhythmic, spatial, FX-orientated or something else entirely (or a weird mix between more than one of the above). I've never even tried to get just a clean delay signal out of it actually; It wouldn't surprise me if its not really capable of it. Just whack a simple clocked delay on the end of the chain instead and get to grips with what RM can really do cool
scottmfr
Here's a tutorial playlist to walk you through the features of the Rainmaker.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvZWo9k7KdK4zw4B43bCZAuLS7_TPvT HZ
damase
Feature Request i want to fit in if there is any chance to get more greatness in before the update:

Routing setting to enable the Trigger button to toggle on/off the Trigger Input.

I would find the button very useful for this, so that I wouldn't have to connect/disconnect the input cable constantly.
jjclark
damase wrote:
drinkcorpsevomit wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi rainmaker users,

After playing around with my newly aquired rainmaker i have a question regarding the grains (quantity and size):
Which options do you choose for the most hifi sound? I don't get just clean delays with any combination...they always sound "granularized" if that makes sense...
When do you choose wich setting? Depending on the delay time?
Most presets are using qnt 2 and size 168 (standard setting?)

Thanks for some help!
Cheers


I'd like to know this too. If its just part of the character of the machine, fine. But if I'm doing something wrong it would be good to know.

Anyone got any insight?


Does the stock preset 1 not get clean delay signals? (i saved over mine a while ago)

The comb filter can be used as a relatively clean delay as well, however as a part of the upcoming firmware I'm hoping some of the clicking will be cleaned up for better CV usage. Setting it to 2 Taps should be as a regular delay I believe

fwiw after using the Rainmaker for a long time, I've gotten so used to sound design on it that I can easily coax the results I desire based from a more birds-eye perspective of "what type of space do I want" or "where do I want certain frequency content in my mix", "do I want a rhythmic structure" ect... but If i want just a 'normal' delay sound i plug in my Chronoblob because its much easier.


There is no granulation when the pitch shift (and detune) is set to zero. The granulation should only be noticeable when you have some pitch shifting going on. Otherwise the delays should be clean (assuming there is no clipping occurring).

We can't make it so that the trigger button disconnects the trigger input (or vice versa) since they are actually connected to the same input.
durwin
Daisuk
durwin wrote:


Nice, thanks for posting this! smile I really need to practise more with the comb section. Rainmaker is so fucking awesome. Can't wait for the new firmware.

Rainmaker doing the background atmospheric stuff in this one:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/trees[/s]
gb
jjclark wrote:
damase wrote:
drinkcorpsevomit wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi rainmaker users,

After playing around with my newly aquired rainmaker i have a question regarding the grains (quantity and size):
Which options do you choose for the most hifi sound? I don't get just clean delays with any combination...they always sound "granularized" if that makes sense...
When do you choose wich setting? Depending on the delay time?
Most presets are using qnt 2 and size 168 (standard setting?)

Thanks for some help!
Cheers


I'd like to know this too. If its just part of the character of the machine, fine. But if I'm doing something wrong it would be good to know.

Anyone got any insight?


Does the stock preset 1 not get clean delay signals? (i saved over mine a while ago)

The comb filter can be used as a relatively clean delay as well, however as a part of the upcoming firmware I'm hoping some of the clicking will be cleaned up for better CV usage. Setting it to 2 Taps should be as a regular delay I believe

fwiw after using the Rainmaker for a long time, I've gotten so used to sound design on it that I can easily coax the results I desire based from a more birds-eye perspective of "what type of space do I want" or "where do I want certain frequency content in my mix", "do I want a rhythmic structure" ect... but If i want just a 'normal' delay sound i plug in my Chronoblob because its much easier.


There is no granulation when the pitch shift (and detune) is set to zero. The granulation should only be noticeable when you have some pitch shifting going on. Otherwise the delays should be clean (assuming there is no clipping occurring).

We can't make it so that the trigger button disconnects the trigger input (or vice versa) since they are actually connected to the same input.


Coming back to the orig. question:
The QNT and SIZE combinations sound clearly different from each other (well, thats the purpose of it:-)).
Some combos sound phasey, some glitchy, some karplusy etc but not just the clean replic of the orig. signal
Which combo should give the most unaltered delay tap sound?
I cant make out a rule..
jjclark
gb wrote:

Coming back to the orig. question:
The QNT and SIZE combinations sound clearly different from each other (well, thats the purpose of it:-)).
Some combos sound phasey, some glitchy, some karplusy etc but not just the clean replic of the orig. signal
Which combo should give the most unaltered delay tap sound?
I cant make out a rule..


I assume you are talking about when there is some pitch shifting going on. You are never going to get a perfectly clean sound when some pitch shifting is present.

The effects depend on what you are feeding in to the delay. For short percussive sounds you will want to use small SIZE values. The phasing effects will be most noticeable when inputting a steady signal (like a saw wave from a VCO). Sometimes the phasing sound can be useful.

If you want to avoid "phasey" sounds you need to select QTY = 1 or 1, no envelope. When you have more than 1 grain you will get phasing since 2 (or 4) grains that are shifted in time relative to each other are being combined. If you select QTY=1 you won't get phasing but you will get slow amplitude modulation. You can avoid the amplitude modulation by setting QTY = 1, no envelope, but then you will get clicks. If you do this you will probably want to have a large SIZE value to make the modulation slower or the clicks less frequent.

Setting QTY=4 gives a different sort of phasing than QTY = 2 since the grains will be closer together in time.
gb
jjclark wrote:
gb wrote:

Coming back to the orig. question:
The QNT and SIZE combinations sound clearly different from each other (well, thats the purpose of it:-)).
Some combos sound phasey, some glitchy, some karplusy etc but not just the clean replic of the orig. signal
Which combo should give the most unaltered delay tap sound?
I cant make out a rule..


I assume you are talking about when there is some pitch shifting going on. You are never going to get a perfectly clean sound when some pitch shifting is present.

The effects depend on what you are feeding in to the delay. For short percussive sounds you will want to use small SIZE values. The phasing effects will be most noticeable when inputting a steady signal (like a saw wave from a VCO). Sometimes the phasing sound can be useful.

If you want to avoid "phasey" sounds you need to select QTY = 1 or 1, no envelope. When you have more than 1 grain you will get phasing since 2 (or 4) grains that are shifted in time relative to each other are being combined. If you select QTY=1 you won't get phasing but you will get slow amplitude modulation. You can avoid the amplitude modulation by setting QTY = 1, no envelope, but then you will get clicks. If you do this you will probably want to have a large SIZE value to make the modulation slower or the clicks less frequent.

Setting QTY=4 gives a different sort of phasing than QTY = 2 since the grains will be closer together in time.


Thanks for the perfect answer!
Exactly what i wanted to know...
kisielk
We now have 7 Rainmaker tutorial videos. Here's the playlist:



Hopefully that covers most (though probably not all) of the module functions smile
0netwo0netwo
Thanks You Guys!
gb
kisielk wrote:
We now have 7 Rainmaker tutorial videos. Here's the playlist:



Hopefully that covers most (though probably not all) of the module functions smile


Really nice videos!

Is it right, that the Mod A/B destination to change presesetd via cv is only implemented in the future firmware update, or is it downloadble somewhere?
Thanks!