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Small, mute-able mixing attenuators?
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noisejockey
So this is where the search abilities of Modular Grid fails me, despite it having such a great database of modules...

I'm trying to optimize my drum submixes in a small space for live performance. The biggest issue is that most of my drum modules don't have gain knobs, so they need to be mixed, and I'd also like mute buttons. Four channels is plenty. I want the drums mixed in the Eurorack rig as a submix. I'm sequencing four channels with the Malekko Varigate 4, to complete the picture.

Right now I've got a 7hp solution of going into a passive attentuator (e.g., QuadAtten or µAtt), and passing each output from the attenator into a Malekko Mute 4. That works reasonably well, as long as one doesn't want panning (for live stuff I don't usually care, and I mix differently in the studio). Then the Mute 4's single mono out goes to the main mixer.

All the other solutions I've found are a lot bigger: Mutamix, Mutagen, etc., and of course they're more true mixers. I'm even OK potentially muting the trigger inputs instead of the drum's audio, and in some ways that'd be better, and then I'd just use a Mixmode or similar for the submix. Regardless, I think I might be at the smallest-width workable solution.

This could be fine, but are there other modules or approaches I'm missing that are small, ergonomic, and playable in the moment which support per-channel muting?
Dcramer
I make little DIY kill switches for my rig (out of blanks) that let me mute triggers or audio. I have have one on a latching foot switch. thumbs up

Sadly I suck at DIY so people just point and laugh waah
Opnotic
I hear ya. I used a Maleko Unity Mixer (2HP) for a while as a means to mute the trigger to the Kick, then I wore out the button. Then I built a Hexinverter Hot Glue mixer (fantastic mixer for everything btw, the compressor and distortion and proper mixer with send / recieve transformed my modular into a true instrument), - and the main channel 1 pot is getting scratchy from all my actions to mute the kick. I don't really want to mute the kick trigger anymore as I like to keep the signal going into channel one stacked into the compressor side chain as well. I can deoxit the pot one of these days and touch up the solder joints in case that is the cause so I'm not worried.

I think a simple DIY set of switches is in order for sure.
Asym9
I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as well and haven't found the ideal solution.

But, I did build a couple of these MST mixers:
http://www.synthrotek.com/products/mst-eurorack-modules/mst-4-channel- audio-cv-mixer/

At 8hp, it's still no smaller than your current 7hp solution and offers no panning or anything more than a mix out or inv out. But, it works well for both audio and triggers/gates.

I'd love to have a simple 8 in/8 out arrangement with a switch and attenuator between each input and output, similar to Dcramer's kill switch panel. For my purposes, I'd use it for triggers and gates, but it could function with audio too. In that case, a mix out would be really helpful to eliminate the need for an external mixer. I'm not a huge fan of kill switches for audio, for obvious reasons. But, I suppose if one were to really want to make audio a priority, an additional attenuator per channel and a mix out attenuator would be helpful.
sempervirent
noisejockey wrote:
I'm sequencing four channels with the Malekko Varigate 4, to complete the picture.

Maybe pair a Malekko Mix 4 with your Mute 4? They seem made for each other. Only 6hp total.
noisejockey
sempervirent, see, I have a Mix 4 (love it). The problem is that the Mute 4 and Mix 4 have only one output each. You can't really use the two together that well because you can mute up to four channels on the Mute 4...but it all unity mixes into one out, which of course goes to just one of four inputs on the Mix 4. (A connector ribbon b/n the two to normal the two together would be amazing!)

I suppose what I really want is a muting or switching attenuator: Something that has attenuators that map 1:1 in:out, but with mute buttons or off switches. I'm hacking it with an attenuator and a Mute 4 -- and really, maybe that's the best option, it's called a "modular" after all! -- but I've just not seen switch/mute in an attenuator in one package. If such a think existed and was DC and AC coupled, you could either mute the CVs going into your drums, or mute the audio coming out of your drums, depending on your needs. An SSF Mixmode with mute switches in 6hp is kind of the dream, and probably not practical or physically possible. :-)

Again, if no such thing exists, it's kind of OK, I've got something workable...but just curious if I've missed such a thing on the market somehow.
RLK
I have a couple of mute 4s next to a Mix Mode for doing what you are picturing.

BUT the following ALSO works for me as well and is less $/HP:
The SSF/WMD quad attn + Mute 4 = $179, 7hp four channel mutable mixer .

Some limitation due to it just being Passive attn, but still does the trick.

EDIT:
I just did an A/B comparison between running the same audio through the Mix 4 and the Quad Attn into the mute 4 - they seem the same volume, only a slight difference in color.
noisejockey
RLK, yup: While I have a QuadAtten, I'm using an Intellijel uAtt with my Mute 4 as my 7hp solution...same functionality. Maybe you and I have been using the optimal (available) solution, then?

Thanks a lot for trying a different signal flow and finding the difference is slight - super appreciate that! SlayerBadger! Like you, I've not found the passive nature to make THAT big of a difference, certainly in a live mix context.
scottmoon
DIY or maybe a switch like this before your mixer. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/future-sound-systems-sw1
Foghorn
Wow, I just bought a Mute 4 for this very purpose.

One thing I am anxiously waiting for is a SSF module called muton, but it may be a while.

The thing with my setup is I am mixing TTA 4HP drum modules and they all have a level control.
In this case the mute 4 is perfect.

I am also using an old Doepfer a-138u mixer to sum a few drum signals, but it doesn't seem to be the highest quality for audio.
Hovercraft
The Intellijel Mixup has mutes and attenuators on three of its five channels, and is only 6HP. You can chain together as many as you need. With two modules, you get a substantial mix of mono and stereo inputs-worth the 12HP.
kay_k
Our Plagwitz V2 is made for that:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/lpzw-modules-plagwitz-mk2

If you want deluxe muting (grouped, synchronous etc) go for our Schleußig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSmM7r2PEH4
(I know, not a mixer but this really keeps a performance in check)
loowfizzz
kay_k wrote:
Our Plagwitz V2 is made for that:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/lpzw-modules-plagwitz-mk2

If you want deluxe muting (grouped, synchronous etc) go for our Schleußig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSmM7r2PEH4
(I know, not a mixer but this really keeps a performance in check)


wow these are cool!
vonstirlitz
Exactly what I need too. It’s on my need list. Cheers.
khyber
Buck Modular has this little 4hp mute thing: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-mutation-

I shouldn't say "has" though, I don't know if it will ever be released. Would be nice to see a single unity out on but alas...
starthief
I think the OP (and I) want individual outputs for each input though, not necessarily a mixer with mute switches.

There's this:

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/zlob-modular-miniatt.html

I'm really kind of surprised there aren't "voltage source" modules in Euro, or attenuators with normalled voltages, that also have mute switches on them.
It seems like such an obviously useful utility for live use, for kicking in transpositions or big changes of values...
kay_k
loowfizzz wrote:
kay_k wrote:
Our Plagwitz V2 is made for that:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/lpzw-modules-plagwitz-mk2

If you want deluxe muting (grouped, synchronous etc) go for our Schleußig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSmM7r2PEH4
(I know, not a mixer but this really keeps a performance in check)


wow these are cool!


Thanks!
The Plagwitz V2 will be available in ca. a month from now. The design is done but I am off for 2 weeks and start production when I am back.
khyber
starthief wrote:
I think the OP (and I) want individual outputs for each input though, not necessarily a mixer with mute switches.

There's this:

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/zlob-modular-miniatt.html

I'm really kind of surprised there aren't "voltage source" modules in Euro, or attenuators with normalled voltages, that also have mute switches on them.
It seems like such an obviously useful utility for live use, for kicking in transpositions or big changes of values...


On it's own it's just a mute mixer but with a 4hp attenuator next to it it would work. Just a building block, but good for the size.
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