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rico loverde
New upcoming Malekko Varigate 8+. Ben Davis and Malekko design. It will be at Moogfest this next weekend. 8 channels of gate sequencing. 2 channels of cv. 16 steps. 26hp

Ras Thavas
I think it goes without saying we'd all like to hear a lot more about this...
ben_hex
Been excited for this after speaking with Ben for a while about it. Great to see the photo in a panel.
Flohr
Looks amazing! Is the cv unquantized or is there a quantizer? If there is, is there an option to turn it off?
nnamesor
Wow. Holy crap.
rico loverde
I'm sure Ben Davis will be along shortly to fill everyone on the details! He knows it way better than I.
rico loverde
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFXLgGmTMyQ/
bendedavis
Hey guys. Really excited about this module. Here are the main features:

8 gate channels : per step probability, repeat, delay, pulsewidth
2 cv channels : per step voltage and glide (fully variable)
Tempo knob
100 presets (10 banks of 10)
Song mode allows any sequence of presets in bank
Custom scale and key selection
Each channel has independent clock division, sequence length and direction
Mute page for quickly muting/unmuting channels
CV channels can be paired to any of the 8 gate channels or run independently
Randomize gate input for adding subtle changes to all settings

Let me know if you have questions. Code is being finalized now and should be all done soon.
ignatius
bendedavis wrote:
Hey guys. Really excited about this module. Here are the main features:

8 gate channels : per step probability, repeat, delay, pulsewidth
2 cv channels : per step voltage and glide (fully variable)
Tempo knob
100 presets (10 banks of 10)
Song mode allows any sequence of presets in bank
Custom scale and key selection
Each channel has independent clock division, sequence length and direction
Mute page for quickly muting/unmuting channels
CV channels can be paired to any of the 8 gate channels or run independently
Randomize gate input for adding subtle changes to all settings

Let me know if you have questions. Code is being finalized now and should be all done soon.


wow. sounds like a beast!
windspirit
Looks awesome! What are the "random/ recall/ end" jacks?
bendedavis
windspirit wrote:
Looks awesome! What are the "random/ recall/ end" jacks?


The random and recall jacks are meant to be used together. The idea being that you'd have a saved preset to start from then using the random input it would slightly alter the settings with each gate. Then at any point you can use the recall jack to bring you back to the saved preset. The End jack is active when the longest sequence has played all the way through. This can be used as a reset out as it also fires when transport has stopped. When in song mode this trigger will progress to the next preset in the sequence.
noisejockey
Whaaaaaaaaaaat

Mutable channels?!?!?!?
Homer Simpson w00t!! It's motherfucking bacon yo
MATSmile
No cv control again hmmm.....
bendedavis
MATSmile wrote:
No cv control again hmmm.....


What would you put CV on? There are too many channels and parameters to have CV for everything. It's dynamic enough on it's own and you can get really fine control with per step settings.
Flohr
bendedavis

Does the cv have to be quantized or can you turn quantization off?
bendedavis
Flohr wrote:
bendedavis

Does the cv have to be quantized or can you turn quantization off?


It can be turned off also
onthelees
whoa - and I was just looking at another varigate to go next to the one I have. Guess I should hold off...
Paranormal Patroler
Wow! Talk about Varigate's bigger brother .. unfortunately there are way too many parameters going on on this one for me, it could lose its playability which is was Varigate excels at. Still, very impressive expansion. Congrats!

So, the CV sequence length is 8 steps I take it ?
Artaos
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
So, the CV sequence length is 8 steps I take it ?


Mmh I'm confused about this too... There is a "Note" global button, so I assumed the 16 sliders would represent the CV values when "Note" is pressed. What are the 8 "Scale note" sliders? Is that for configuring the quantization scale?

Overall this new module seems really exciting.
Paranormal Patroler
I imagine you can always chain CV patterns as well, so that's not a big issue. I'm also interested in the CV range ..
BingMachine
bendedavis wrote:
MATSmile wrote:
No cv control again hmmm.....


What would you put CV on? There are too many channels and parameters to have CV for everything. It's dynamic enough on it's own and you can get really fine control with per step settings.


I've always wanted CV over probability. Could be totally global. From zero up to set value.
Enda Grennan
This thing looks rad! we're not worthy
bemushroomed
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Wow! Talk about Varigate's bigger brother .. unfortunately there are way too many parameters going on on this one for me, it could lose its playability which is was Varigate excels at.


I agree, i rather keep my 2 x Varigate 4's i think, smaller too.. good that there's an option though smile
bendedavis


Here's a video showing the glide. I believe glide is set all the way up on all steps but 6 and 7 here. Sequence limited to 8 steps.

Glide is tempo-synced on the V8+ so that at 100% it'll fully glide into the next step.
davidh
looks great !

there is CV in no ? "Random" kind of global chaos, which is cool

any chance you dim a little the leds, on varigate4 they are very bright ?
matttech
bendedavis wrote:
windspirit wrote:
Looks awesome! What are the "random/ recall/ end" jacks?


The random and recall jacks are meant to be used together. The idea being that you'd have a saved preset to start from then using the random input it would slightly alter the settings with each gate. Then at any point you can use the recall jack to bring you back to the saved preset. The End jack is active when the longest sequence has played all the way through. This can be used as a reset out as it also fires when transport has stopped. When in song mode this trigger will progress to the next preset in the sequence.


To be fair, that sounds fucking AAAAAACE!
ignatius
matttech wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
windspirit wrote:
Looks awesome! What are the "random/ recall/ end" jacks?


The random and recall jacks are meant to be used together. The idea being that you'd have a saved preset to start from then using the random input it would slightly alter the settings with each gate. Then at any point you can use the recall jack to bring you back to the saved preset. The End jack is active when the longest sequence has played all the way through. This can be used as a reset out as it also fires when transport has stopped. When in song mode this trigger will progress to the next preset in the sequence.


To be fair, that sounds fucking AAAAAACE!


i agree.. that's a really fantastic feature.. reminds me of the stuff in Numerology to 'evolve' patterns. it'll probably lead to some nice subtle or extreme surprises when performing/recording.
toothless_wonder
My want list is alredy quiet big , but this has pretty much headed in my top three must have/want modules for this year !
bc3
https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/product/varigate-8/
Kujo
very interested , it looks like it hits the spot for me !!
bc3
Got to try this out briefly down at Moogfest yesterday and while it is impressive personally I'm not sure I agree with the current price point ($599) they have set. I get that it is more than just two Varigates together in one module, but in my opinion a price of $499 would be more reasonable and tempted me more to purchase when it is released.
GryphonP3
Looks amazing! On the note of "what would you want voltage control over?" I think it would be pretty cool to have voltage control over repeat amounts and step length. The only qualm that I have with the original varigate is that the patterns are fairly repetitive, as the same step will have the same amount of repeats every time it triggers, so the patterns of repeats become fairly repetitive. It would be cool to have CV over these, even if only on 3-4 programmable aux inputs or something like that. But then again, what do I know? Not much about what goes into software development, and how it would be handled. It's already a great module from the features it does have smile

This big version of the varigate looks much cooler anyway, and is still a big module even without voltage control. I love how different it is in function and philosophy from any other sequencers out there. Big +1 for not just re-hashing the same old sequencer philosophy over and over again like most of the other euro sequencers out there! That random/recall shit is incredible for live performance! Great way to totally wreck whatever you have going on and then snap back into something musical whenever you want. Really a cool way of handling the mangling smile Having a point to jump back to is really great in a live setting.

Good job Josh & Ben!! SlayerBadger!
bemushroomed
GryphonP3 wrote:
'The only qualm that I have with the original varigate is that the patterns are fairly repetitive, as the same step will have the same amount of repeats every time it triggers


Umm, no? you even have randomization of repeats. you press the prob. and repeat-button at the same time for this feature... also you should not underestimate using reset with a random trigger.
Southfork
Looking fwd to this, the vari4 is doing a good job and this looks even better smile
ben_hex
bemushroomed wrote:
GryphonP3 wrote:
'The only qualm that I have with the original varigate is that the patterns are fairly repetitive, as the same step will have the same amount of repeats every time it triggers


Umm, no? you even have randomization of repeats. you press the prob. and repeat-button at the same time for this feature... also you should not underestimate using reset with a random trigger.


Was going to say that. You get random values and you get set the range it can move randomly within. Helps to keep things moving over lots of repeats nicely. Random delay is great in small amount to emulate some sort of of "part human" imperfection.
orlog24
What's the longest gate time for each step?
bendedavis
orlog24 wrote:
What's the longest gate time for each step?


On the Varigate 8+ pulsewidth goes from 10% to 100%
kriskeyman
Skiff friendly?
bendedavis
kriskeyman wrote:
Skiff friendly?


Very. Single board, all surface mount.
kriskeyman
bendedavis wrote:
kriskeyman wrote:
Skiff friendly?


Very. Single board, all surface mount.


Thanks. Very interested in this module then. My case only supports up to 1.9" max depth, so this should work?
bendedavis
kriskeyman wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
kriskeyman wrote:
Skiff friendly?


Very. Single board, all surface mount.


Thanks. Very interested in this module then. My case only supports up to 1.9" max depth, so this should work?


kriskeyman
bendedavis wrote:
kriskeyman wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
kriskeyman wrote:
Skiff friendly?


Very. Single board, all surface mount.


Thanks. Very interested in this module then. My case only supports up to 1.9" max depth, so this should work?




Perfect, should work without issue. SlayerBadger! I was initially concerned that it was going to be too deep since dimensions listed on your website shows "6 x 3.5 x 3.25 in".
MossGarden
I'm quite frankly drooling over this thing right now screaming goo yo
bendedavis


Here's a video showing the freeze function. Basically you can set a bunch of random values and then freeze the values for all steps to create repeating patterns from what would normally be chaos.
mharpum
This will be my main trigger/gate sequencer! Seriously awesome work going on here, looks to be more interesting to me than the gatestorm which also look mint! I love the Varigate 4 so I know this will not disappoint!
Lineofcontrol
Perhaps a stupid question....

Is the Varigate 4 just a trigger sequencer rather than cv gate?

Vs the 8 is for both? seriously, i just don't get it

Looking for a Metropolis replacement...
rico loverde
Lineofcontrol wrote:
Perhaps a stupid question....

Is the Varigate 4 just a trigger sequencer rather than cv gate?

Vs the 8 is for both? seriously, i just don't get it

Looking for a Metropolis replacement...
yea varigate 4 is just a gate sequencer
The Illuminaire
matttech wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
windspirit wrote:
Looks awesome! What are the "random/ recall/ end" jacks?


The random and recall jacks are meant to be used together. The idea being that you'd have a saved preset to start from then using the random input it would slightly alter the settings with each gate. Then at any point you can use the recall jack to bring you back to the saved preset. The End jack is active when the longest sequence has played all the way through. This can be used as a reset out as it also fires when transport has stopped. When in song mode this trigger will progress to the next preset in the sequence.


To be fair, that sounds fucking AAAAAACE!

I couldn't agree more. That sounds truly righteous and makes me thankful I've waited and didn't scoop up two Varigate 4s.
Lineofcontrol
Is there anything like a Varigate 4 but for Cv gate? Rather than just Trig?

Would love to sequence synth lines in this fashion.
bc3
Lineofcontrol wrote:
Is there anything like a Varigate 4 but for Cv gate? Rather than just Trig?

Would love to sequence synth lines in this fashion.


Take a look at the new Antimatter Launch Codes module. cool
rico loverde
bc3 wrote:
Lineofcontrol wrote:
Is there anything like a Varigate 4 but for Cv gate? Rather than just Trig?

Would love to sequence synth lines in this fashion.


Take a look at the new Antimatter Launch Codes module. cool
Launch Codes is a gate or trigger sequencer. He was asking for CV and gate
dmuirw
Variegate 4 is awesome. This can't be much different.
bc3
rico loverde wrote:
bc3 wrote:
Lineofcontrol wrote:
Is there anything like a Varigate 4 but for Cv gate? Rather than just Trig?

Would love to sequence synth lines in this fashion.


Take a look at the new Antimatter Launch Codes module. cool
Launch Codes is a gate or trigger sequencer. He was asking for CV and gate


Oops.. my bad d'oh!

Launch Codes is still really cool but yeah no cv smile
mDang
hello !
any update on it ? nanners
mharpum
I am keen on this to be my main gate/trigger sequencer, looking forward!
bendedavis
We'll be showing it at Knobcon next weekend! SlayerBadger!
Useful Noise
Price down to $549! Rockin' Banana!

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/product/varigate-8/
Cfcarter
This looks really useful!!
Spec_g

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Kujo
it's alive !

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mharpum
Just seen the manual is up!

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/content/uploads/2016/10/malekko-varig ate8-manualv.1.pdf

Can't wait for this beast!
qual
Also the availability date has been set.

screaming goo yo screaming goo yo Oct 21st here we come screaming goo yo screaming goo yo

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/product/varigate-8/
Useful Noise
mharpum wrote:
Just seen the manual is up!

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/content/uploads/2016/10/malekko-varig ate8-manualv.1.pdf

Can't wait for this beast!


Thanks for the heads up mate. This truly is going to be a beast!
nectarios
Awesome!
brianobush
Heard that you can sync varigate 4 and 8+ with a cable behind the modules, so you can hold onto your 4 without guilt.
bendedavis
brianobush wrote:
Heard that you can synch varigate 4 and 8+ with a cable behind the modules.


The Varigate 8+ can be set to send clock over the gate bus or receive it. 4ms modules can also be set as the master or slave on this bus.
auxren
Robotspeak in SF has em in stock. Can't wait to check it out at the synth meet on Saturday! See you there Malekko?
mharpum
The manual is really easy to understand, seems very similar to the varigate 4 for programming so it will be very quick and easy to get cool variations and patterns going! Hopefully next week I shall have one to play with:)
matttech
Got this bad boy in stock if anyone's after one? thumbs up
neilmcm1975
Anyone got one yet very tempted.
zolar_czakl
I've been thinking about the Varigate4 for a while but have been distracted by some other pursuits. This model will be an awesome addition! we're not worthy
pitri
matttech wrote:
Got this bad boy in stock if anyone's after one? thumbs up

damn it, already sold out...
mharpum
Mine has arrived today! Thanks to Matttech for the speedy delivery and yet again rinsing my bank account on pay day!
brandonlogic
question: what do you guys use the end gate out for? i can see how a start gate out out be very useful, but not sure what to do with a dedicated last step gate output?
ignatius
brandonlogic wrote:
question: what do you guys use the end gate out for? i can see how a start gate out out be very useful, but not sure what to do with a dedicated last step gate output?


lot's of things. step through a sequential switch.. advance another sequencer that's playing a long sustained pad, plug it into a reset input of RCD/SCM etc
brandonlogic
ignatius wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
question: what do you guys use the end gate out for? i can see how a start gate out out be very useful, but not sure what to do with a dedicated last step gate output?


lot's of things. step through a sequential switch.. advance another sequencer that's playing a long sustained pad, plug it into a reset input of RCD/SCM etc

Yes but you would normally want this to be triggered at step one, not step 16.

I was wrong anyways! It actually does output the gate at step one of the sequence. I was thrown off because I had multiple channels set to different time mult/divisions/lengths. The gate end out fires at step one of the longest sequence. It's easy to loose track/forget what the longest sequence is once you have a lot of different things going at once.

I made a suggestion that it would be nice to make it selectable which channel it uses as it's mater clock to signal "end" (and advance to next preset in song mode) instead of always longest sequence. seems like it would be the most flexible, it would allow for more live tweaking without having to worry about knocking things out of time unintentionally.

I also suggested, when wring cv sequences for the slider/step to be always active, even when the sequence is stopped (or advanced one step at a time). so that when you slide the slider you can hear the change in notes changing in real time. to me this is essential if your using the cv channels for pitch and trying to dial in a specific melody, its very difficult to find a specific note when you have to wait for the sequence to come back around to hear the note you moved the slider on (the display helps to see the note, but for those who play by ear and want to hear what your changing the note to, like myself, this would be nice).
mharpum
Although I like the way the cv link function only advances the cv step when a gate is active. It would be cool to have empty notes/steps as an option in order to keep the cv loop in time without having every gate active. Unless I am missing something and this is already possible! Only got this yesterday so still plenty of exploring to do!
brandonlogic
mharpum wrote:
It would be cool to have empty notes/steps as an option in order to keep the cv loop in time without having every gate active. Unless I am missing something and this is already possible!

yeah, i've just been using a gate channel and a cv chan unlinked.
in linked mode, if it would just hold the note where a gate is and pass over the other cv steps while holding that note until it gets to the step with the next gate, that would be nice! would be a good way to hold notes, and keep everything in time while linked.

btw, here's my first patch on the varigate 8 https://www.instagram.com/p/BMAsd-5DIj0 applause
mharpum
brandonlogic wrote:
mharpum wrote:
It would be cool to have empty notes/steps as an option in order to keep the cv loop in time without having every gate active. Unless I am missing something and this is already possible!

yeah, i've just been using a gate channel and a cv chan unlinked.
in linked mode, if it would just hold the note where a gate is and pass over the other cv steps while holding that note until it gets to the step with the next gate, that would be nice! would be a good way to hold notes, and keep everything in time while linked.

btw, here's my first patch on the varigate 8 https://www.instagram.com/p/BMAsd-5DIj0 :yay:


Saw that vid the other day, nice!

I think it is an interesting idea when linked for it to only advance on a live gate, you can get some awesome non looping melodies this way.

I was playing with song mode yesterday, it is so good! You could program a full song on this thing and let it play! Damn.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMCkiqvhuTV/?taken-by=harpum1
matttech
wow, that vid sounds amazing!....and on a side note, I like the paired Octones - never seen that before!
mharpum
matttech wrote:
wow, that vid sounds amazing!....and on a side note, I like the paired Octones - never seen that before!


Nice one Matt, yeah having 2 octones linked gives you loads more options! You can save 16 preset patterns in 2 banks and scroll through them with a trigger!
neilmcm1975
matttech wrote:
Got this bad boy in stock if anyone's after one? thumbs up


Hi Matt when do you think you will have more in stock .
bendedavis
Here's a video going over the basics



We'll be doing more videos soon to go over the advanced features
ignatius
^^^^^^^ great quick walk through. that thing looks like tons of fun.

feature rich but looks pretty quick to get around on. we're not worthy
tibbon
Should anyone get one and not like it... I'll buy it from you for 90% of it's new price smile
Ish
bemushroomed wrote:
GryphonP3 wrote:
'The only qualm that I have with the original varigate is that the patterns are fairly repetitive, as the same step will have the same amount of repeats every time it triggers


Umm, no? you even have randomization of repeats. you press the prob. and repeat-button at the same time for this feature... also you should not underestimate using reset with a random trigger.


Is this feature in the V 8+??
bendedavis
Ish wrote:
bemushroomed wrote:
GryphonP3 wrote:
'The only qualm that I have with the original varigate is that the patterns are fairly repetitive, as the same step will have the same amount of repeats every time it triggers


Umm, no? you even have randomization of repeats. you press the prob. and repeat-button at the same time for this feature... also you should not underestimate using reset with a random trigger.


Is this feature in the V 8+??


Yes, you can set a min/max random range for any per step parameter. You can also have gate channels go sequence forward, reverse, pendulum or random per channel.
Ish
And here's a full live set done using the Varigate 8+, apparently. She must have been a tester.


https://soundcloud.com/anon-music/anon-live-at-volt-divers-aug-2016
rico loverde
Ish wrote:
And here's a full live set done using the Varigate 8+, apparently. She must have been a tester.


https://soundcloud.com/anon-music/anon-live-at-volt-divers-aug-2016
An on is Anna Sitko she works for Malekko and Darkplace and has been involved with it since Ben started its design.
Ish
rico loverde wrote:
Ish wrote:
And here's a full live set done using the Varigate 8+, apparently. She must have been a tester.


https://soundcloud.com/anon-music/anon-live-at-volt-divers-aug-2016
An on is Anna Sitko she works for Malekko and Darkplace and has been involved with it since Ben started its design.


I'm surprised Malekko doesn't host that Live PA on their product page, 'cause to know the Varigate 8+ is driving that complexity (albeit perhaps not entirely alone) has been one of the strongest incentives for me to buy the module yet.

So I take it she is a Portland local? Surprised her name isn't bigger. I'd put this on par with Autechre and Devine's work.
rico loverde
Ish wrote:
rico loverde wrote:
Ish wrote:
And here's a full live set done using the Varigate 8+, apparently. She must have been a tester.


https://soundcloud.com/anon-music/anon-live-at-volt-divers-aug-2016
An on is Anna Sitko she works for Malekko and Darkplace and has been involved with it since Ben started its design.


I'm surprised Malekko doesn't host that Live PA on their product page, 'cause to know the Varigate 8+ is driving that complexity (albeit perhaps not entirely alone) has been one of the strongest incentives for me to buy the module yet.

So I take it she is a Portland local? Surprised her name isn't bigger. I'd put this on par with Autechre and Devine's work.
yea she does live in Portland. Ana is incredibly talented and will pass it on that you enjoyed it! She players the Volt Diver shows quite regularly here in PDX and always kills it.
ignatius
rico loverde wrote:
Ish wrote:
rico loverde wrote:
Ish wrote:
And here's a full live set done using the Varigate 8+, apparently. She must have been a tester.


https://soundcloud.com/anon-music/anon-live-at-volt-divers-aug-2016
An on is Anna Sitko she works for Malekko and Darkplace and has been involved with it since Ben started its design.


I'm surprised Malekko doesn't host that Live PA on their product page, 'cause to know the Varigate 8+ is driving that complexity (albeit perhaps not entirely alone) has been one of the strongest incentives for me to buy the module yet.

So I take it she is a Portland local? Surprised her name isn't bigger. I'd put this on par with Autechre and Devine's work.
yea she does live in Portland. Ana is incredibly talented and will pass it on that you enjoyed it! She players the Volt Diver shows quite regularly here in PDX and always kills it.


she's been making music for ages. has several releases over the last couple decades. i know she's been working on tracks always so hopefully those will take form of an album sooner or later. smile
mharpum
Don't hesitate, go and buy this module today! You will not be disappointed! You can easily write full songs or do a live set with this thing as the master. It is kind of like a souped up BSP with loads more options!
matttech
neilmcm1975 wrote:
matttech wrote:
Got this bad boy in stock if anyone's after one? thumbs up


Hi Matt when do you think you will have more in stock .


Preorders now open for batch 2 thumbs up
http://matttechmodular.co.uk/product/varigate-8/
Ish
mharpum wrote:
Don't hesitate, go and buy this module today! You will not be disappointed! You can easily write full songs or do a live set with this thing as the master. It is kind of like a souped up BSP with loads more options!


Oh I did. As much as I dislike being an early adopter, and just purchased a Circadian Rhythm, I couldn't hesitate. Now I have to find a justification for having both.
mharpum
Ish wrote:
mharpum wrote:
Don't hesitate, go and buy this module today! You will not be disappointed! You can easily write full songs or do a live set with this thing as the master. It is kind of like a souped up BSP with loads more options!


Oh I did. As much as I dislike being an early adopter, and just purchased a Circadian Rhythm, I couldn't hesitate. Now I have to find a justification for having both.


Ah, I did consider circadian but then I saw this many months ago and decided to wait! It was worth it! You can justify both by getting enough new modules to need both! Ha.
Cortega
its out and its so quiet here, all you lucky Varigate 8 Wigglers please give me a bit Feedback how you like it, and how its fit in your Workflow.....and we need Videos, more and more Videos Mr. Green
cthonist
I've had mine for about a week & I absolutely love it! Very easy to grasp the basics of gate sequencing on it (especially if you used the 4...) and I know it's got tons of features I haven't touched yet. I highly recommend it if you care more about gate sequencing than CV / need to fill that void. A slider for CV/note values isn't great IMO and it can be hard to go straight to the note you want.

Easy track muting is great & so is the whole array of sequence features (div/mult, probability, delay, ratchet, & you can set probability ranges for the latter 2). The ratchet never really sounds the way I want it to honestly, I want them to be evenly spaced but they're all very close together right after the initial gate. That's my only complaint so far though, & it was the same for the Varigate 4 so I expected that
bendedavis
cthonist wrote:
I've had mine for about a week & I absolutely love it! Very easy to grasp the basics of gate sequencing on it (especially if you used the 4...) and I know it's got tons of features I haven't touched yet. I highly recommend it if you care more about gate sequencing than CV / need to fill that void. A slider for CV/note values isn't great IMO and it can be hard to go straight to the note you want.

Easy track muting is great & so is the whole array of sequence features (div/mult, probability, delay, ratchet, & you can set probability ranges for the latter 2). The ratchet never really sounds the way I want it to honestly, I want them to be evenly spaced but they're all very close together right after the initial gate. That's my only complaint so far though, & it was the same for the Varigate 4 so I expected that


You can fine tune your notes by holding the note button while adjusting a slider to limit to the current octave.
ben_hex
bendedavis wrote:

You can fine tune your notes by holding the note button while adjusting a slider to limit to the current octave.


Ah you've thought of everything!
mharpum
Loving mine so far, if you had the patience you could sequence a full track and let it play. Playing with the mutes is very cool and having 2 cv sequences on top just makes it an awesome bit of kit;)
jobo
hi there, just received my varigate 8+ from schneider’s this week. loving it!

however, i have a problem regarding the quantizer / setting the key: i can change the key of the quantizer (as described in the manual) from „C“ to „E“ for example, but as soon as I add/remove any new intervals or make changes in my cv-track, the quantizer and all added notes will be transposed back to the default key „C“.

is it a bug, or am i doing something wrong? meh
bendedavis
jobo wrote:
hi there, just received my varigate 8+ from schneider’s this week. loving it!

however, i have a problem regarding the quantizer / setting the key: i can change the key of the quantizer (as described in the manual) from „C“ to „E“ for example, but as soon as I add/remove any new intervals or make changes in my cv-track, the quantizer and all added notes will be transposed back to the default key „C“.

is it a bug, or am i doing something wrong? meh


We are releasing a bug fix for this in a few days. I'll post here when it's up.
infradead
mharpum wrote:
Loving mine so far, if you had the patience you could sequence a full track and let it play. Playing with the mutes is very cool and having 2 cv sequences on top just makes it an awesome bit of kit;)


watched a guy do that with two of them in his setup at modular on the spot in seattle this weekend. it was pretty awesome
geetee
installed the firmware update last night. works great now with the key changes and cv link settings works properly. bliss!

however one thing that is a little bothering after this update, the varigate now powers up with the play button activated.
neuroportal
Just found the key bug myself and came here seeing if this was fixed. And Lo!

That aside, what an awesome piece of kit. So powerful and intuititive, too.
neuroportal
just applied the update and, as geetee said, it powers up running. Not a deal breaker, just a little irritating.

The other thing is that the firmware update instructions either aren't quite correct, or a little bit unclear. When I press the update button, every function button lights up, and End and CV2, but no Clock out led. Unless it is so faint that the function buttons lit up mean I can't make it out.

Ran it anyway and it seemed to update - the key bug is no longer there.

EDIT: Actually, on power up the play is lit, END is lit and the clock is pulsing, but step one is lit and it stays there. Changing the track indicates the same situation. Hitting stop then turns the light off, and the clock, normal service resumes. Also the tempo position is ignored until you change the tempo slightly - if tempo is at slowest position, approximately 120bpm I notice, (does anyone have one that runs slower at minimum position? Seems high, although I know you can divide easily enough).

This is with all banks cleared, btw.
fringe
fantastic sequencer------drums!!! UX+UI is unreal, raw functionality Eel Power FTW! Eel Power FTW!
revoltcrews
Varigate 8+ first run... after some case ergonomics.
Its driving everything in this "getting to know you session"
Absolutely fantastic !
DLD and SMR on post/mid-stream processing.

haven't even barely scratched the surface. time to dig in.


https://www.instagram.com/sunfallsmusic/
droningspaghettimonster
are those latching buttons like 4ms?
Tropic Al
Would it be possible to chain patterns separate from song mode in a future update?

It would be great to be able to program with more than one bar selected at a time!
bendedavis
Tropic Al wrote:
Would it be possible to chain patterns separate from song mode in a future update?

It would be great to be able to program with more than one bar selected at a time!


Not sure if this helps but if you want a certain pattern to play more than once just press the button that many times when setting up the song progression. So if you wanted the first pattern to play once and then the 2nd pattern to play 3 times, hold the Song button press 1, 2, 2, 2. The song progression can be up to 32 entries long.
Tropic Al
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Would it be possible to chain patterns separate from song mode in a future update?

It would be great to be able to program with more than one bar selected at a time!


Not sure if this helps but if you want a certain pattern to play more than once just press the button that many times when setting up the song progression. So if you wanted the first pattern to play once and then the 2nd pattern to play 3 times, hold the Song button press 1, 2, 2, 2. The song progression can be up to 32 entries long.


Hi Ben, yes I like song mode, but as far as I can tell so far I can't program the patterns in song mode.
I can enter notes but when the song loops back round or I change to a different gate channel then what I just programmed in has gone.
It would be really great to have the option of recording in song mode so that we can work on more than one bar at a time!
geetee
I like that even has song mode, it's brilliant how simple and easy it is. just repeat and chain presets together. it's not suppose to be anything more advanced than that. program/prepare the patterns outside the song mode.
Tropic Al
geetee wrote:
I like that even has song mode, it's brilliant how simple and easy it is. just repeat and chain presets together. it's not suppose to be anything more advanced than that. program/prepare the patterns outside the song mode.


Yes I like how easy song mode is, I would just like a way to be able to chain more that 1 pattern together and still be able to work on them with them playing one after the other for longer sequences, ideally separate from song mode to avoid any confusion.
revoltcrews
few studio jams with Varigate 8 sequencing the rig, absolutely love this sequencer.
digging deeper into Track settings:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNaR2YtFSQp/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNc-bfBDdZm/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOBcU1jjxL4/
moofi
I endorse this feature request because it´s basically the only way to create or edit longer than 16 step sequences on the fly through listening continuously.

Tropic Al wrote:
geetee wrote:
I like that even has song mode, it's brilliant how simple and easy it is. just repeat and chain presets together. it's not suppose to be anything more advanced than that. program/prepare the patterns outside the song mode.


Yes I like how easy song mode is, I would just like a way to be able to chain more that 1 pattern together and still be able to work on them with them playing one after the other for longer sequences, ideally separate from song mode to avoid any confusion.
moofi
Nice footage w00t thumbs up

revoltcrews wrote:
few studio jams with Varigate 8 sequencing the rig, absolutely love this sequencer.
digging deeper into Track settings:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNaR2YtFSQp/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNc-bfBDdZm/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOBcU1jjxL4/
Carrousel
Been using this thing a few days now and despite a few hiccups it seems rock solid.

The (slave) timing is the tightest of any clocking / sequencing module i've tried, though I second the request to spread the repeats out more (possible with update?). The current update does indeed fix the key issue but I don't seem to be able to select different keys for different banks, but it may well have been my error.

Here's a wee techno piece with heavy varigate. Kick, hats and snares from RYTM and TR-8 but every other sound is sequenced by the Varigate. When you start combining different track lengths, div / must settings and then chaining patterns, things get ridiculous.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/298630116" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

I've no had much chance to play with the random settings yet but it seems enticing. One request I would make for a firmware update is to have the freeze input act as a recall input, as had been previously discussed. That would be of much more use I think.
brandonlogic
moofi wrote:
I endorse this feature request because it´s basically the only way to create or edit longer than 16 step sequences on the fly through listening continuously.

Tropic Al wrote:
geetee wrote:
I like that even has song mode, it's brilliant how simple and easy it is. just repeat and chain presets together. it's not suppose to be anything more advanced than that. program/prepare the patterns outside the song mode.


Yes I like how easy song mode is, I would just like a way to be able to chain more that 1 pattern together and still be able to work on them with them playing one after the other for longer sequences, ideally separate from song mode to avoid any confusion.


I think it would be great if patterns/presets could each be 32 steps instead of 16.
I could see this being implemented in a similar way you can select clock multiplications instead of divisions. so, moving the slider would select step length 1-16, but if you hold the TRACK button down while you move the slider to the right (like divide/mult) you could select 17 to 32 steps.
If more than 16 maybe you could hold a button and press the preset button again to view the second page (steps 17 to 32).

this would be amazing, and being a percussion sequencer, 32 steps of with seamless editing, and playing in sequences manually would be huge for it.

Raven_Martin wrote:
though I second the request to spread the repeats out more (possible with update?).


+3 for this option!
Carrousel
I have a question about some of the functionality:

When tying a CV channel to one of the gate channels, if there is say 4 gate notes in the pattern of the channel i'm using, then sometimes the CV channel will go through all of it's 16 values, thus creating 4 variations of CV across each of four gate pattern repetitions. But sometimes, it won't do this. It will just start from the first CV step each time the gate channel resets and so playing the same first 4 notes every time. I can't of the life of me figure out which setting is causing the different behaviour and i'd be grateful for any help.

It causes radically different sequencing results (especially when using song mode because it affects the overall length of each pattern and hence time between pattern changes in songs) so i'd love to have some control over it.

Otherwise having a ball so far!
greenanother
bendedavis Really enjoying the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block combo. Any chance we'll see the ability to save Voltage Block mutes with each preset (saved via the Varigate 8+)?
geetee
Raven_Martin wrote:
I have a question about some of the functionality:

When tying a CV channel to one of the gate channels, if there is say 4 gate notes in the pattern of the channel i'm using, then sometimes the CV channel will go through all of it's 16 values, thus creating 4 variations of CV across each of four gate pattern repetitions. But sometimes, it won't do this. It will just start from the first CV step each time the gate channel resets and so playing the same first 4 notes every time. I can't of the life of me figure out which setting is causing the different behaviour and i'd be grateful for any help.

It causes radically different sequencing results (especially when using song mode because it affects the overall length of each pattern and hence time between pattern changes in songs) so i'd love to have some control over it.

Otherwise having a ball so far!


You have the CV channel linked to the gate channel, yes?

if it's not working, be sure to update to the latest firmware if you haven't (from malekko's official site). CV link was not working properly in the previous firmware, but is now fixed.

Also to note, and i think this might be your problem, i found a "bug" with the cv link mode:

if you don't set your gate value starting with gate step 1, then the cv channel will go through all the 16 steps = cv will not be linked to the gate channel.

so that means you can't begin a gate sequence with the first gate being set on step 2, or step 3 etc. it has to start on step 1 in order to be linked to the cv channel.

hope this can be fixed in a firmware update?
vytis
Thinking of picking one up. I understand all the trigger/gate sequencing bit, but I need some clarification regarding the 2 x CV outs.
Could someone please confirm:
- Are sequence lengths definable per channel, or global? For example, can I set CV1 sequence to 7 steps in length and CV2 to 5 steps - and make one run 4 times slower than the other one?
- What happens to my CV sequence when I engage ratcheting for a certain step? Does it jump through all the steps/values, or holds the same step? I mean CV value, not gate.
- Is it possible to do polyrhythms? Can all 8 channels run at different speeds / clock divisions?
Thanks!
bgcriswell
Each sequence (channel) is independent from the others. Each one can have it's own length and division/multiplication of the clock.
Daisuk
I'm interested in this as well, but have a few questions.

If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel, and let's say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence "rest" when there's no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope's release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn't meant to really be on, but it's set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?

From what I read in the manual, you can't use multiplications or divisions on sequences where gates are tied to either CV1/CV2 - is there a way to implement this?

Also, if you connect the Voltage Block to this, can you tie the gate outs on this to the CV sequences of the Voltage Block in a similar fashion, or do you need to do that "manually"?
Tropic Al
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
bendedavis
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.
skylab001
I'm curious, once you have a sequence programmed on a track, let's say for instance track 1, and then you use the sliders to change some parameters, how then do you know visually what steps are actually triggering on the selected track and what the parameters(probabitlity and gate length) are on each of the steps? Is it similar to the LED bars on the varigate 4? I don't have one yet, but considering one.
Tropic Al
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.


Hi Ben

Thanks for replying.

Maybe I have a faulty unit?

To explain further, when I go into song mode and chain patterns together I can't seem to be able to edit the steps, for instance when I move the probability of a step to 0 the LED goes off for that step but when the song loops round again my changes are gone!
The pattern goes back to how it originally was before I moved the slider and doesn't seem to remember the change I just made.

Doesn't say in the manual, but is it even possible to edit steps in song mode?

If not then this is what my request is for.

The ability to chain patterns together and still be able to work on them by editing all of the steps for each pattern when it gets to that pattern in the chain.

If this was possible in pattern mode it would be great I think.


Thanks!
bendedavis
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.


Hi Ben

Thanks for replying.

Maybe I have a faulty unit?

To explain further, when I go into song mode and chain patterns together I can't seem to be able to edit the steps, for instance when I move the probability of a step to 0 the LED goes off for that step but when the song loops round again my changes are gone!
The pattern goes back to how it originally was before I moved the slider and doesn't seem to remember the change I just made.

Doesn't say in the manual, but is it even possible to edit steps in song mode?

If not then this is what my request is for.

The ability to chain patterns together and still be able to work on them by editing all of the steps for each pattern when it gets to that pattern in the chain.

If this was possible in pattern mode it would be great I think.


Thanks!


The way song mode works is that it recalls the presets that are chained. So without saving any changes only the changes that have manually been saved will be recalled. You can temporarily disable song mode while on a certain preset to make changes, save them, then reenable song mode.
Tropic Al
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.


Hi Ben

Thanks for replying.

Maybe I have a faulty unit?

To explain further, when I go into song mode and chain patterns together I can't seem to be able to edit the steps, for instance when I move the probability of a step to 0 the LED goes off for that step but when the song loops round again my changes are gone!
The pattern goes back to how it originally was before I moved the slider and doesn't seem to remember the change I just made.

Doesn't say in the manual, but is it even possible to edit steps in song mode?

If not then this is what my request is for.

The ability to chain patterns together and still be able to work on them by editing all of the steps for each pattern when it gets to that pattern in the chain.

If this was possible in pattern mode it would be great I think.


Thanks!


The way song mode works is that it recalls the presets that are chained. So without saving any changes only the changes that have manually been saved will be recalled. You can temporarily disable song mode while on a certain preset to make changes, save them, then reenable song mode.


Ok I think I get what you are saying!

So the only way to create a pattern that is longer than 1 bar, say for instance an eight bar pattern, would be to create each bar separately in pattern mode, then go into song mode and chain these 8 patterns together to be able to listen to them.

Then if there was any changes / edits required, we have to go back into pattern mode select the pattern that needs editing, make the changes to that one bar pattern only, then resave it and then finally go back to pattern mode to hear the eight bar pattern again.

With the current firmware it is not possible to actually work and make changes to more than one bar / pattern at a time.

Would be great to simplify this process by simply being able to select more that one pattern in pattern mode - for example by holding down the button for first pattern and then selecting each additional pattern that you want chained together and then these patterns would play together, and to save you could save to the first pattern that you selected which in turn would save the changes to all for all of the patterns included in the chain.

If this was implemented as an additional 'chain' mode then it wouldn't have to get in the way of the current one bar only at a time workflow, just as an additional option for those who wanted to work this way.

Don't know if this is possible with the available processing power of the module but it would be amazing if you could consider it Ben, I think it would be a great addition to an already fantastic module!

Thanks!
Southfork
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.


Hi Ben

Thanks for replying.

Maybe I have a faulty unit?

To explain further, when I go into song mode and chain patterns together I can't seem to be able to edit the steps, for instance when I move the probability of a step to 0 the LED goes off for that step but when the song loops round again my changes are gone!
The pattern goes back to how it originally was before I moved the slider and doesn't seem to remember the change I just made.

Doesn't say in the manual, but is it even possible to edit steps in song mode?

If not then this is what my request is for.

The ability to chain patterns together and still be able to work on them by editing all of the steps for each pattern when it gets to that pattern in the chain.

If this was possible in pattern mode it would be great I think.


Thanks!


The way song mode works is that it recalls the presets that are chained. So without saving any changes only the changes that have manually been saved will be recalled. You can temporarily disable song mode while on a certain preset to make changes, save them, then reenable song mode.


Ok I think I get what you are saying!

So the only way to create a pattern that is longer than 1 bar, say for instance an eight bar pattern, would be to create each bar separately in pattern mode, then go into song mode and chain these 8 patterns together to be able to listen to them.

Then if there was any changes / edits required, we have to go back into pattern mode select the pattern that needs editing, make the changes to that one bar pattern only, then resave it and then finally go back to pattern mode to hear the eight bar pattern again.

With the current firmware it is not possible to actually work and make changes to more than one bar / pattern at a time.

Would be great to simplify this process by simply being able to select more that one pattern in pattern mode - for example by holding down the button for first pattern and then selecting each additional pattern that you want chained together and then these patterns would play together, and to save you could save to the first pattern that you selected which in turn would save the changes to all for all of the patterns included in the chain.

If this was implemented as an additional 'chain' mode then it wouldn't have to get in the way of the current one bar only at a time workflow, just as an additional option for those who wanted to work this way.

Don't know if this is possible with the available processing power of the module but it would be amazing if you could consider it Ben, I think it would be a great addition to an already fantastic module!

Thanks!


I actually find I never run out of possibilities with the current implementation. Compared to the circadian Rhythm I use to own 16 steps seems a luxury and you can always clock divide your tracks down, that with programming probability and chaining sequences together makes it practically endless!!
greenanother
Southfork wrote:


I actually find I never run out of possibilities with the current implementation. Compared to the circadian Rhythm I use to own 16 steps seems a luxury and you can always clock divide your tracks down, that with programming probability and chaining sequences together makes it practically endless!!


+1
Tropic Al
Southfork wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Please please please make it possible to chain more than one sequence together in pattern mode!

The ability in pattern mode to select one pattern and then which ever other patterns from that bank to chain together for playing and editing doesn't seem like an impossible thing to implement?

Also the ability to tie steps together to make a longer gate would also be great.

Here's hoping for an update to implement these much needed features and really make it the ultimate compact sequencer and control center in 2017 we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


Maybe I'm not understanding but this is already possible. Song mode allows you to chain any of the 10 presets in the current bank together. You can even have certain presets play more than once. To do this simply hold the Song button and press the sequence of presets you'd like to have play after each other.

You can also already tie steps together. Just set the steps you want tied together to 100% pulsewidth.

Let me know if there's anything that's unclear.


Hi Ben

Thanks for replying.

Maybe I have a faulty unit?

To explain further, when I go into song mode and chain patterns together I can't seem to be able to edit the steps, for instance when I move the probability of a step to 0 the LED goes off for that step but when the song loops round again my changes are gone!
The pattern goes back to how it originally was before I moved the slider and doesn't seem to remember the change I just made.

Doesn't say in the manual, but is it even possible to edit steps in song mode?

If not then this is what my request is for.

The ability to chain patterns together and still be able to work on them by editing all of the steps for each pattern when it gets to that pattern in the chain.

If this was possible in pattern mode it would be great I think.


Thanks!


The way song mode works is that it recalls the presets that are chained. So without saving any changes only the changes that have manually been saved will be recalled. You can temporarily disable song mode while on a certain preset to make changes, save them, then reenable song mode.


Ok I think I get what you are saying!

So the only way to create a pattern that is longer than 1 bar, say for instance an eight bar pattern, would be to create each bar separately in pattern mode, then go into song mode and chain these 8 patterns together to be able to listen to them.

Then if there was any changes / edits required, we have to go back into pattern mode select the pattern that needs editing, make the changes to that one bar pattern only, then resave it and then finally go back to pattern mode to hear the eight bar pattern again.

With the current firmware it is not possible to actually work and make changes to more than one bar / pattern at a time.

Would be great to simplify this process by simply being able to select more that one pattern in pattern mode - for example by holding down the button for first pattern and then selecting each additional pattern that you want chained together and then these patterns would play together, and to save you could save to the first pattern that you selected which in turn would save the changes to all for all of the patterns included in the chain.

If this was implemented as an additional 'chain' mode then it wouldn't have to get in the way of the current one bar only at a time workflow, just as an additional option for those who wanted to work this way.

Don't know if this is possible with the available processing power of the module but it would be amazing if you could consider it Ben, I think it would be a great addition to an already fantastic module!

Thanks!


I actually find I never run out of possibilities with the current implementation. Compared to the circadian Rhythm I use to own 16 steps seems a luxury and you can always clock divide your tracks down, that with programming probability and chaining sequences together makes it practically endless!!


Yes the possibilities are excellent! I just hope for an easier / quicker way to be able to chain patterns together and be able to edit them at the same time!
Carrousel
greenanother wrote:
Southfork wrote:


I actually find I never run out of possibilities with the current implementation. Compared to the circadian Rhythm I use to own 16 steps seems a luxury and you can always clock divide your tracks down, that with programming probability and chaining sequences together makes it practically endless!!


+1


+2

It's already really easy. You chain your patterns in song mode and set them playing. If you want to edit one of the bars, wait until that bar comes up, then press song button to come out of song mode, edit the bar and save it, then press song button again. Super easy.
Carrousel
Also, just want to make an official request for the fixing of two tiny bugs:

Firstly, it doesn't seem that different scales can be selected for different banks. Whichever notes you have selected stay that way when switching banks and any changes made are applied to all the banks.

Secondly (this has been touched on above) there is strange behaviour when slaving a CV channel to a gate channel. If the gate channel which the CV is slaved to features a gate set to output on the first step, then the CV channel will reset each time the gate channel does. If the gate channel does not have a gate on the first step, then the CV channel will cycle through all its values before resetting. With this, it would actually be really useful to be able to swap between the two behaviours, but his may be tough to implement. If we have to just have one behaviour then can it please be the cycling through all values behaviour? Because this way you can get (for example) 4 non-repeating CV notes played across a gate patteen composed of 4 hits (make sense?)
geetee
Raven_Martin wrote:
Also, just want to make an official request for the fixing of two tiny bugs:

Firstly, it doesn't seem that different scales can be selected for different banks. Whichever notes you have selected stay that way when switching banks and any changes made are applied to all the banks.

Secondly (this has been touched on above) there is strange behaviour when slaving a CV channel to a gate channel. If the gate channel which the CV is slaved to features a gate set to output on the first step, then the CV channel will reset each time the gate channel does. If the gate channel does not have a gate on the first step, then the CV channel will cycle through all its values before resetting. With this, it would actually be really useful to be able to swap between the two behaviours, but his may be tough to implement. If we have to just have one behaviour then can it please be the cycling through all values behaviour? Because this way you can get (for example) 4 non-repeating CV notes played across a gate patteen composed of 4 hits (make sense?)


it seems to work for me, each bank having their own scale. it is a bit confusing i feel, the way it works, there's no global bank mode where you can set the scale for the bank your working in. it changes with the last preset you save in that bank (i think it works like that).

the cv link bug you mentioned (and i mentioned before in this thread) i really hope will get fixed. glad i wasn't the only one aware of that smile

a thing i really wish the varigate 8+ had is the ability to backup/restore your presets/banks to a computer through the usb connector.
Tropic Al
So I have been getting my head round using song mode to create a 4 bar pattern.

I have been going back and forth between song mode and pattern mode so that I can make changes to this four bar pattern, after initially forgetting to save and going back into song mode and losing my changes I have got used to this way of working now.

However I seem to have a couple of problems.

1. In song mode I can't get the excellent randomization (from an external gate into the RND input) to work at all.
It works well in pattern mode when I am just listening to one of the bars of my four bar sequence, but when I go into song mode to hear the four pattern as a whole it no longer works.

Can't see anything in the manual that mentions that it doesn't work in song mode - so is this a bug?

2. Sync

When I am in song mode and listening to my four bar pattern if I try and sync my CR (also with a four bar pattern programmed in) to the Varigate - (with the Varigate as Master) then the Varigate is sending a reset signal every bar - so the CR resets every bar and is unable to play the whole four bar pattern!

If I try and use the CR as the master and sync the Varigate to it then I can listen to my four bar pattern on both sequencers, but when I press play the Varigate stutters for the first beat - it sort of almost holds the first beat for a touch and then carries on as it should.

Is this another bug? Has anyone else experienced this sync problem or successfully synced the Varigate to another sequencer?
Tropic Al
Also one other thing I have just noticed - when syncing the Varigate (in song mode) to my CR - when the CR sends a reset to the Varigate, the Varigate doesn't start from the beginning of the song, it only starts from the beginning of the next bar in the song!

So when I play my four bar sequencer from the CR and stop on bar 3, then press play again the CR plays from the start of the four bar pattern, (which sends the reset signal) but the Varigate doesn't reset to the beginning of the song, in this case it would start from bar 4.

If I manually press play in song mode on the Varigate then it always plays from the start of the song!
Daisuk
I just ordered this fucker, and looking to add Voltage Block to it as soon as the finances will allow! Would love to hear some examples of music people are making with it! smile
gonner
Daisuk wrote:
I just ordered this fucker, and looking to add Voltage Block to it as soon as the finances will allow! Would love to hear some examples of music people are making with it! smile


These 2 clips are varigate + voltage block controlling Basimilus Alter, Loquelic, and Sinc Iter. Please excuse the crappy audio quality.

I love the varigate 8+. I had the 4 and used it extensively with the octocontroller. I'm now using it in a similar fashion with the vb.

I've only had the voltage block for about a week. Still learning the ins and outs. Mostly been using it as a random cv modulation source.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOyLPJthhOd/?taken-by=kevinboyle

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOvWxXIBeaU/?taken-by=kevinboyle
Daisuk
gonner wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I just ordered this fucker, and looking to add Voltage Block to it as soon as the finances will allow! Would love to hear some examples of music people are making with it! smile


These 2 clips are varigate + voltage block controlling Basimilus Alter, Loquelic, and Sinc Iter. Please excuse the crappy audio quality.

I love the varigate 8+. I had the 4 and used it extensively with the octocontroller. I'm now using it in a similar fashion with the vb.

I've only had the voltage block for about a week. Still learning the ins and outs. Mostly been using it as a random cv modulation source.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOyLPJthhOd/?taken-by=kevinboyle

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOvWxXIBeaU/?taken-by=kevinboyle


Damn! Very nice! Thanks for sharing. smile How are you doing the visuals? Like them a lot! Great work, man. smile

Regarding the random input - how exactly does it work? Does it play a random thing when the gate in is high, or can you say ping it with a trigger and get a bar worth of random?
gonner
Daisuk wrote:
gonner wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I just ordered this fucker, and looking to add Voltage Block to it as soon as the finances will allow! Would love to hear some examples of music people are making with it! smile


These 2 clips are varigate + voltage block controlling Basimilus Alter, Loquelic, and Sinc Iter. Please excuse the crappy audio quality.

I love the varigate 8+. I had the 4 and used it extensively with the octocontroller. I'm now using it in a similar fashion with the vb.

I've only had the voltage block for about a week. Still learning the ins and outs. Mostly been using it as a random cv modulation source.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOyLPJthhOd/?taken-by=kevinboyle

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOvWxXIBeaU/?taken-by=kevinboyle


Damn! Very nice! Thanks for sharing. smile How are you doing the visuals? Like them a lot! Great work, man. smile

Regarding the random input - how exactly does it work? Does it play a random thing when the gate in is high, or can you say ping it with a trigger and get a bar worth of random?


The visuals are done on various ios apps. glitché, generate, hyperspektiv.

I should clarify on the random thing. I'm just using random on the sequences for each step. shift >> choose a step or all >> rnd

I assume this is a random sequence per step.
Innerself2007
Just ordered one myself, should have it by next week. Looks like a fun module.
Been using a beat step pro for my gate sequencing duties and believe this will take its place.
Think this will be fun with the 4ms SMR
Carrousel
Innerself2007 wrote:
Just ordered one myself, should have it by next week. Looks like a fun module.
Been using a beat step pro for my gate sequencing duties and believe this will take its place.
Think this will be fun with the 4ms SMR


I would say it's slightly less fun and immediate than a BSP to program, but the probability, polyrhythms and per step options makes up for it. Also timing is solid as a golden rock on the varigate and I had no end of problems in that department from the BSP piece of shit. So yeah, I love my varigate 8 and I hope you do too
moofi
Varigate 8+ arrived, now sitting here along with the 4 waiting for implementation because I would first have to newly set up the modular and build a new bigger case after having had a holiday setup to take on vacation.
Could take a little longer because of having a lot to do currently.
Still looking veeeeery much forward because from what I´ve seen and heard so far these are just the type of sequencers I had been looking for without knowing. lol
7C
great sequencer!!
one thing though, that is kind of annoying: the repeat / multiply section:

in order to get musical reptitions or bursts it would be better to have a smaller range. right now it´s like: nothing happens within the first 20%, then - just a millimeter later it´s already 4 repeats within one step, fader at 50% is almost audiorate, sort of.
it would be good to have double at 25%, triple at 50, quad at 75 and so on, maybe there´s a way to implement that in a clever way. same thing with the clock multiplier - at 20% it´s already 4 times as fast, it´s almost impossible to get a result that would make sense, like 32 notes within the 16 steps. fader at half and it´s again almost audio rate - except you´d first divide it and then multiply it, which is a workaround but still not like it could be wink
please implement this in the next firmware update if possible! smile
bendedavis
7C wrote:
great sequencer!!
one thing though, that is kind of annoying: the repeat / multiply section:

in order to get musical reptitions or bursts it would be better to have a smaller range. right now it´s like: nothing happens within the first 20%, then - just a millimeter later it´s already 4 repeats within one step, fader at 50% is almost audiorate, sort of.
it would be good to have double at 25%, triple at 50, quad at 75 and so on, maybe there´s a way to implement that in a clever way. same thing with the clock multiplier - at 20% it´s already 4 times as fast, it´s almost impossible to get a result that would make sense, like 32 notes within the 16 steps. fader at half and it´s again almost audio rate - except you´d first divide it and then multiply it, which is a workaround but still not like it could be wink
please implement this in the next firmware update if possible! smile


The higher repeat values become more useful if the clock for that channel is divided down. Try this for hi-hat patterns: set the sequence length to 4, set divide to 4, 8 or 16. Now use the repeats and you'll get more musical results.
7C
exactly, that´s what i did now - first divide, then multiply. wouldnt it be possible to let´s say double push the track button and then have a small range of repeats? so you dont have to divide it first? and if you´d need the higher rates, then you´d do it the way it is now?
vingtdieux
I would like all manuals to be like varigate and voltage block ones!
Innerself2007
Raven_Martin wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
Just ordered one myself, should have it by next week. Looks like a fun module.
Been using a beat step pro for my gate sequencing duties and believe this will take its place.
Think this will be fun with the 4ms SMR


I would say it's slightly less fun and immediate than a BSP to program, but the probability, polyrhythms and per step options makes up for it. Also timing is solid as a golden rock on the varigate and I had no end of problems in that department from the BSP piece of shit. So yeah, I love my varigate 8 and I hope you do too


Great to know thanks for the info!
Polyrhythms and solid timing are my top reasons for purchasing
dysonant
I have had this thing in a future plan rack on modulargrid for a while now. Read through this full thread, listened to everything everyone has posted and read the manual. I WANT ONE! But, for some reason I have it in my head that I should wait until after NAMM. Maybe some of you folks can push me over the edge so I can make a trip Control this weekend and get one?
Tropic Al
vingtdieux wrote:
I would like all manuals to be like varigate and voltage block ones!


The manual for the varigate is pretty good, but there are a quite a few things missing that could be put in there that would help.

Do you know where it explains how to save a song?

And to clear a song?

How about using the random input in song mode? How does this work?

It says there are 10 different song banks programmable by choosing any sequence of presets, does this mean a song can use any of the available presets? How do I use all the available presets from all of the banks in one song if I want a song to consist of more than just 10 patterns (presets)?

How do I edit a song? If I have programmed a long complicated song and want to change just the ending how do I do it?

How do I copy a song?
MindMachine
dysonant wrote:
I have had this thing in a future plan rack on modulargrid for a while now. Read through this full thread, listened to everything everyone has posted and read the manual. I WANT ONE! But, for some reason I have it in my head that I should wait until after NAMM. Maybe some of you folks can push me over the edge so I can make a trip Control this weekend and get one?


In general modules shown at NAMM are:
Available immediately after NAMM: 10-15%
Available in 6 months after NAMM: another 10-15%
Available by the end of the year: another 20-25%
Available in 18 months: another 20-25%
The rest...

So,... buy it now.

Even if you see something 'ideal' at NAMM, you never know when it will hit the streets AND if it will need six months in users hands to get any bugs/issues sorted.

Then you can sell it later.
skylab001
Tropic Al wrote:
vingtdieux wrote:
I would like all manuals to be like varigate and voltage block ones!


The manual for the varigate is pretty good, but there are a quite a few things missing that could be put in there that would help.

Do you know where it explains how to save a song?

And to clear a song?

How about using the random input in song mode? How does this work?

It says there are 10 different song banks programmable by choosing any sequence of presets, does this mean a song can use any of the available presets? How do I use all the available presets from all of the banks in one song if I want a song to consist of more than just 10 patterns (presets)?

How do I edit a song? If I have programmed a long complicated song and want to change just the ending how do I do it?

How do I copy a song?


After getting a Varigate 8+ I have to agree, the manual could use some clarification. I've spent a fair amount of time reading the manual and with the actual unit getting to know it, but there has definitely been some head scratching. I'm hopeful they'll put out a nice in depth video of it explaining all the features including ones that may not be documented soon. It wouldn't be too difficult, but nothing has appeared yet.
Cortega
skylab001 wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
vingtdieux wrote:
I would like all manuals to be like varigate and voltage block ones!


The manual for the varigate is pretty good, but there are a quite a few things missing that could be put in there that would help.

Do you know where it explains how to save a song?

And to clear a song?

How about using the random input in song mode? How does this work?

It says there are 10 different song banks programmable by choosing any sequence of presets, does this mean a song can use any of the available presets? How do I use all the available presets from all of the banks in one song if I want a song to consist of more than just 10 patterns (presets)?

How do I edit a song? If I have programmed a long complicated song and want to change just the ending how do I do it?

How do I copy a song?


After getting a Varigate 8+ I have to agree, the manual could use some clarification. I've spent a fair amount of time reading the manual and with the actual unit getting to know it, but there has definitely been some head scratching. I'm hopeful they'll put out a nice in depth video of it explaining all the features including ones that may not be documented soon. It wouldn't be too difficult, but nothing has appeared yet.


yes the Manual is good but it lacks this important Information, same with Voltage Block.
can somebody from Malekko answer these Questions ?
And can somebody explain what technically happend when send and hold a Gate to the Random Input in contrast to sending for example a Gatestream from Wogglebug Gate Burst Output ?
Daisuk
Cortega wrote:
skylab001 wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
vingtdieux wrote:
I would like all manuals to be like varigate and voltage block ones!


The manual for the varigate is pretty good, but there are a quite a few things missing that could be put in there that would help.

Do you know where it explains how to save a song?

And to clear a song?

How about using the random input in song mode? How does this work?

It says there are 10 different song banks programmable by choosing any sequence of presets, does this mean a song can use any of the available presets? How do I use all the available presets from all of the banks in one song if I want a song to consist of more than just 10 patterns (presets)?

How do I edit a song? If I have programmed a long complicated song and want to change just the ending how do I do it?

How do I copy a song?


After getting a Varigate 8+ I have to agree, the manual could use some clarification. I've spent a fair amount of time reading the manual and with the actual unit getting to know it, but there has definitely been some head scratching. I'm hopeful they'll put out a nice in depth video of it explaining all the features including ones that may not be documented soon. It wouldn't be too difficult, but nothing has appeared yet.


yes the Manual is good but it lacks this important Information, same with Voltage Block.
can somebody from Malekko answer these Questions ?
And can somebody explain what technically happend when send and hold a Gate to the Random Input in contrast to sending for example a Gatestream from Wogglebug Gate Burst Output ?


I'd like to know this as well! There are quite a few things not really covered in the manuals for both devices. I'll shoot them another mail tonight if no one does it before me. And will share the response, obviously. smile
dysonant
MindMachine wrote:
dysonant wrote:
I have had this thing in a future plan rack on modulargrid for a while now. Read through this full thread, listened to everything everyone has posted and read the manual. I WANT ONE! But, for some reason I have it in my head that I should wait until after NAMM. Maybe some of you folks can push me over the edge so I can make a trip Control this weekend and get one?


In general modules shown at NAMM are:
Available immediately after NAMM: 10-15%
Available in 6 months after NAMM: another 10-15%
Available by the end of the year: another 20-25%
Available in 18 months: another 20-25%
The rest...

So,... buy it now.

Even if you see something 'ideal' at NAMM, you never know when it will hit the streets AND if it will need six months in users hands to get any bugs/issues sorted.

Then you can sell it later.


Thank you kind sir. You are correct of course. During the "should I purchase" phase I always seem to forget that buyer's remorse is rather low when one can resell. I appreciate the push.
skylab001
I've been noticing some timing irregularities, a few other random quirks, and the Voltage block wouldn't lock to the V8, they were all over the place, so I thought I might have the old firmware, even though I've only had the unit for a couple days. I flashed it to v1.0.10 and now none of my sliders are working. I can't program or adjust anything. very frustrating Tried backing it down to v1.0.7 and it was the same.

Strange thing about the firmware update process. Step 2 when using OS X says "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit." but when I press the button on the back, every led/button/slider illuminates. So is this normal or is something amiss?

Anyone know of a secret factory reset for this thing?
geetee
skylab001 wrote:

Strange thing about the firmware update process. Step 2 when using OS X says "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit." but when I press the button on the back, every led/button/slider illuminates. So is this normal or is something amiss?


That is "normal", got me confused too when i updated the V8+ firmware. But it went through fine.
skylab001
I thought it might just be an undocumented part of the process, especially now that I've flashed it a bunch of times and it does it every time. Flashing seems to go just fine, Unfortunately the V8 still doesn't work.
Tropic Al
skylab001 wrote:
I've been noticing some timing irregularities, a few other random quirks, and the Voltage block wouldn't lock to the V8, they were all over the place, so I thought I might have the old firmware, even though I've only had the unit for a couple days. I flashed it to v1.0.10 and now none of my sliders are working. I can't program or adjust anything. very frustrating Tried backing it down to v1.0.7 and it was the same.

Strange thing about the firmware update process. Step 2 when using OS X says "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit." but when I press the button on the back, every led/button/slider illuminates. So is this normal or is something amiss?

Anyone know of a secret factory reset for this thing?


Yes.
I had the same problem when I first updated the firmware:

From Ben D:

In the few rare cases that the sliders have stopped working after firmware update the unit will need to be recalibrated. To do this hold Prob and Delay while turning on your case with sliders 1-8 to moved to the far left and 9-16 to the right. Once the unit has booted with all LEDs on press Prob and RPT to exit calibration mode.
skylab001
Tropic Al wrote:
skylab001 wrote:
I've been noticing some timing irregularities, a few other random quirks, and the Voltage block wouldn't lock to the V8, they were all over the place, so I thought I might have the old firmware, even though I've only had the unit for a couple days. I flashed it to v1.0.10 and now none of my sliders are working. I can't program or adjust anything. very frustrating Tried backing it down to v1.0.7 and it was the same.

Strange thing about the firmware update process. Step 2 when using OS X says "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit." but when I press the button on the back, every led/button/slider illuminates. So is this normal or is something amiss?

Anyone know of a secret factory reset for this thing?


Yes.
I had the same problem when I first updated the firmware:

From Ben D:

In the few rare cases that the sliders have stopped working after firmware update the unit will need to be recalibrated. To do this hold Prob and Delay while turning on your case with sliders 1-8 to moved to the far left and 9-16 to the right. Once the unit has booted with all LEDs on press Prob and RPT to exit calibration mode.


Thank You! Thank You Tropic Al!! we're not worthy It seems to be working,now I get to see if everything else works with it. Why the recalibration isn't in the manual or at least with the firmware instructions is beyond me? It would have saved me an email to Malekko and my posts here along with a big headache.
Tropic Al
skylab001 wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
skylab001 wrote:
I've been noticing some timing irregularities, a few other random quirks, and the Voltage block wouldn't lock to the V8, they were all over the place, so I thought I might have the old firmware, even though I've only had the unit for a couple days. I flashed it to v1.0.10 and now none of my sliders are working. I can't program or adjust anything. very frustrating Tried backing it down to v1.0.7 and it was the same.

Strange thing about the firmware update process. Step 2 when using OS X says "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit." but when I press the button on the back, every led/button/slider illuminates. So is this normal or is something amiss?

Anyone know of a secret factory reset for this thing?


Yes.
I had the same problem when I first updated the firmware:

From Ben D:

In the few rare cases that the sliders have stopped working after firmware update the unit will need to be recalibrated. To do this hold Prob and Delay while turning on your case with sliders 1-8 to moved to the far left and 9-16 to the right. Once the unit has booted with all LEDs on press Prob and RPT to exit calibration mode.


Thank You! Thank You Tropic Al!! we're not worthy It seems to be working,now I get to see if everything else works with it. Why the recalibration isn't in the manual or at least with the firmware instructions is beyond me? It would have saved me an email to Malekko and my posts here along with a big headache.


Excellent! Yeah I agree it could be on the page of the website with the firmware instructions.
Innerself2007
Received my Varigate 8 yesterday, made room in my case,installed and powered on but didn't have any time to play with it yet.
Quick question, how do you know what firmware is installed on the unit?
Need to know if I have to update before I play today after work.

Also how are the current users liking the CV sequencer portion of the module? Easy to program? Fun to use?
I mainly bought this module for gates but the added 2 CV sequencer is the cherry on top.
Looking forward to get out of work to try it.
Carrousel
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave. But other than that, its an absolute sequencer's dream. Tying the CV sequence to a gate channel and then starting to randomise repeats on the gate channel starts to generate some really brilliant stuff for techno and electro. Metropolis-stylee I guess but with a great deal many more options. You can also then randomise the playback order of the gate channel, but leaving the CVs in the same order, to get rhythmic variations on a constant melody. Really great stuff.

In other news, Does anyone have any idea how the third page of muting is supposed to work? The manual says it works to rotate steps on a given channel, which would be incredibly useful, but I can't work out how to do it.

Final question: Do we have any kind of proper explanation about how the random and freeze inputs work yet? I've been getting some good results but I wouldn't say I understand what's happening and I want to be able to have tight control over what I randomise and when. If you 'seed' a single random gate to a channel and then remove it, I think the channel keeps on changing (but that could be my imagination). Anyone wanna chip in?
mDang
I just would like to know how work the END output ?

let me explain my problem :
i use VR8+ with ER101 end i would like to use the END output of the VR8 to reset the ER101. Actually, the END out reset the er101 one step after it would be. I think the END output trig on the first step right ?

if i use a gate out sequencer, let's say number 8 with 16step , normal speed, and with only the last step active, the eR101 reset correctly.

So, in a futur update it woud be great to have the possibilty to choose betewen first step or last step (step 1 or step16) for the END output wink

i tried it with a A155, and i have the same issue.
let me know !

thanks
bendedavis
Raven_Martin wrote:
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave. But other than that, its an absolute sequencer's dream. Tying the CV sequence to a gate channel and then starting to randomise repeats on the gate channel starts to generate some really brilliant stuff for techno and electro. Metropolis-stylee I guess but with a great deal many more options. You can also then randomise the playback order of the gate channel, but leaving the CVs in the same order, to get rhythmic variations on a constant melody. Really great stuff.

In other news, Does anyone have any idea how the third page of muting is supposed to work? The manual says it works to rotate steps on a given channel, which would be incredibly useful, but I can't work out how to do it.

Final question: Do we have any kind of proper explanation about how the random and freeze inputs work yet? I've been getting some good results but I wouldn't say I understand what's happening and I want to be able to have tight control over what I randomise and when. If you 'seed' a single random gate to a channel and then remove it, I think the channel keeps on changing (but that could be my imagination). Anyone wanna chip in?


The third "mute" page rotates gates to the right and wraps them around. It only applies to gates and not the CV tracks. While in this mode if the first button is lit then nothing is rotated. If the 2nd button is lit that means 1's output is not coming out of 2, all the way through 8 shifting to 1.

Here is how the freeze and random gates work:

Freeze : When recall has been held for more than 2 seconds this will manually lock the freeze function. This can also be accessed with any gate signal (above 0.5V). While freeze is active all randomization is held at it's last state. Any random notes will continue to repeat the same way while this is held. Probabilistic patterns will also repeat in the same way until freeze has been deactivated.

Random: First off, make sure you are familiar with the way to set the Rnadom Amount. This is done by first holding the bank/all button and then pressing Prob. You can now set this amount from 1-10. This value is saved per preset. On the rising edge of a gate applied to this jack the following happens. Channels 1-4 have 8 patterns each that are used for randomization. From 1 to 4 these are patterns for kick, snare, closed hat, open hat. The random amount sets how much up or down the probability is adjusted on a given step. At each step any of the reference patterns are chosen at random, if the pattern on that step is active then probability will be increased. If the selected pattern's step is inactive then probability will be decreased. This creates a dynamic blend of all of the referenced patterns. Channels 5-8 are using an algorithm I came up with for random gates. CVs are also adjusted based on random amount set. Randomization for any of the channels can be disabled from the second mute page.
bendedavis
mDang wrote:
I just would like to know how work the END output ?

let me explain my problem :
i use VR8+ with ER101 end i would like to use the END output of the VR8 to reset the ER101. Actually, the END out reset the er101 one step after it would be. I think the END output trig on the first step right ?

if i use a gate out sequencer, let's say number 8 with 16step , normal speed, and with only the last step active, the eR101 reset correctly.

So, in a futur update it woud be great to have the possibilty to choose betewen first step or last step (step 1 or step16) for the END output wink

i tried it with a A155, and i have the same issue.
let me know !

thanks


Yes, it currently sends a gate on the first step. I can figure out a way to allow it to be switched to step 16 instead.
Carrousel
bendedavis wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave. But other than that, its an absolute sequencer's dream. Tying the CV sequence to a gate channel and then starting to randomise repeats on the gate channel starts to generate some really brilliant stuff for techno and electro. Metropolis-stylee I guess but with a great deal many more options. You can also then randomise the playback order of the gate channel, but leaving the CVs in the same order, to get rhythmic variations on a constant melody. Really great stuff.

In other news, Does anyone have any idea how the third page of muting is supposed to work? The manual says it works to rotate steps on a given channel, which would be incredibly useful, but I can't work out how to do it.

Final question: Do we have any kind of proper explanation about how the random and freeze inputs work yet? I've been getting some good results but I wouldn't say I understand what's happening and I want to be able to have tight control over what I randomise and when. If you 'seed' a single random gate to a channel and then remove it, I think the channel keeps on changing (but that could be my imagination). Anyone wanna chip in?


The third "mute" page rotates gates to the right and wraps them around. It only applies to gates and not the CV tracks. While in this mode if the first button is lit then nothing is rotated. If the 2nd button is lit that means 1's output is not coming out of 2, all the way through 8 shifting to 1.

Here is how the freeze and random gates work:

Freeze : When recall has been held for more than 2 seconds this will manually lock the freeze function. This can also be accessed with any gate signal (above 0.5V). While freeze is active all randomization is held at it's last state. Any random notes will continue to repeat the same way while this is held. Probabilistic patterns will also repeat in the same way until freeze has been deactivated.

Random: First off, make sure you are familiar with the way to set the Rnadom Amount. This is done by first holding the bank/all button and then pressing Prob. You can now set this amount from 1-10. This value is saved per preset. On the rising edge of a gate applied to this jack the following happens. Channels 1-4 have 8 patterns each that are used for randomization. From 1 to 4 these are patterns for kick, snare, closed hat, open hat. The random amount sets how much up or down the probability is adjusted on a given step. At each step any of the reference patterns are chosen at random, if the pattern on that step is active then probability will be increased. If the selected pattern's step is inactive then probability will be decreased. This creates a dynamic blend of all of the referenced patterns. Channels 5-8 are using an algorithm I came up with for random gates. CVs are also adjusted based on random amount set. Randomization for any of the channels can be disabled from the second mute page.


Many thanks for the in depth information! Also, that is absolutely genius and a lot of the behaviour I've experienced is now making sense. The effects of randomising the channels really do remain very musical.

For the mute mode, I didn't realise it rotated the outputs, I thought it was shifting the gate patterns across the steps like forward and backward in time. Rotating outputs is very clever though, could be a good performance trick. So when in this mode, which channel button you press determines which output the pattern for channel one comes out of, and the others map out to the left and wrapping back to the right, excluding cv channels. Am I correct?
Innerself2007
Raven_Martin wrote:
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave. But other than that, its an absolute sequencer's dream. Tying the CV sequence to a gate channel and then starting to randomise repeats on the gate channel starts to generate some really brilliant stuff for techno and electro. Metropolis-stylee I guess but with a great deal many more options. You can also then randomise the playback order of the gate channel, but leaving the CVs in the same order, to get rhythmic variations on a constant melody. Really great stuff.



Sounds awesome! Thanks for the detailed information. Cant wait to get my hands on this thing tonight
bendedavis
Raven_Martin wrote:
bendedavis wrote:
Raven_Martin wrote:
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave. But other than that, its an absolute sequencer's dream. Tying the CV sequence to a gate channel and then starting to randomise repeats on the gate channel starts to generate some really brilliant stuff for techno and electro. Metropolis-stylee I guess but with a great deal many more options. You can also then randomise the playback order of the gate channel, but leaving the CVs in the same order, to get rhythmic variations on a constant melody. Really great stuff.

In other news, Does anyone have any idea how the third page of muting is supposed to work? The manual says it works to rotate steps on a given channel, which would be incredibly useful, but I can't work out how to do it.

Final question: Do we have any kind of proper explanation about how the random and freeze inputs work yet? I've been getting some good results but I wouldn't say I understand what's happening and I want to be able to have tight control over what I randomise and when. If you 'seed' a single random gate to a channel and then remove it, I think the channel keeps on changing (but that could be my imagination). Anyone wanna chip in?


The third "mute" page rotates gates to the right and wraps them around. It only applies to gates and not the CV tracks. While in this mode if the first button is lit then nothing is rotated. If the 2nd button is lit that means 1's output is not coming out of 2, all the way through 8 shifting to 1.

Here is how the freeze and random gates work:

Freeze : When recall has been held for more than 2 seconds this will manually lock the freeze function. This can also be accessed with any gate signal (above 0.5V). While freeze is active all randomization is held at it's last state. Any random notes will continue to repeat the same way while this is held. Probabilistic patterns will also repeat in the same way until freeze has been deactivated.

Random: First off, make sure you are familiar with the way to set the Rnadom Amount. This is done by first holding the bank/all button and then pressing Prob. You can now set this amount from 1-10. This value is saved per preset. On the rising edge of a gate applied to this jack the following happens. Channels 1-4 have 8 patterns each that are used for randomization. From 1 to 4 these are patterns for kick, snare, closed hat, open hat. The random amount sets how much up or down the probability is adjusted on a given step. At each step any of the reference patterns are chosen at random, if the pattern on that step is active then probability will be increased. If the selected pattern's step is inactive then probability will be decreased. This creates a dynamic blend of all of the referenced patterns. Channels 5-8 are using an algorithm I came up with for random gates. CVs are also adjusted based on random amount set. Randomization for any of the channels can be disabled from the second mute page.


Many thanks for the in depth information! Also, that is absolutely genius and a lot of the behaviour I've experienced is now making sense. The effects of randomising the channels really do remain very musical.

For the mute mode, I didn't realise it rotated the outputs, I thought it was shifting the gate patterns across the steps like forward and backward in time. Rotating outputs is very clever though, could be a good performance trick. So when in this mode, which channel button you press determines which output the pattern for channel one comes out of, and the others map out to the left and wrapping back to the right, excluding cv channels. Am I correct?


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Innerself2007
OK so trying to update my module, not sure how to tell what version firmware is currently on it but figured I would update first.
Maybe my module is already updated?
Im running into a problem. Instructions say

"Now go to “File” and open the Vargate 8+ hex file
Now go to “Operation” and select “Program”
Now go to “Operation” and select “Reboot”"

I can go to file and click open on the hex file but when I go to the second step only reboot is an option and not Program
Anyone have any clue what Im doing wrong?

Also like others have pointed out when I press the button on the back all lights are lit,different from what the manual says
mDang
bendedavis wrote:
mDang wrote:
I just would like to know how work the END output ?

let me explain my problem :
i use VR8+ with ER101 end i would like to use the END output of the VR8 to reset the ER101. Actually, the END out reset the er101 one step after it would be. I think the END output trig on the first step right ?

if i use a gate out sequencer, let's say number 8 with 16step , normal speed, and with only the last step active, the eR101 reset correctly.

So, in a futur update it woud be great to have the possibilty to choose betewen first step or last step (step 1 or step16) for the END output wink

i tried it with a A155, and i have the same issue.
let me know !

thanks


Yes, it currently sends a gate on the first step. I can figure out a way to allow it to be switched to step 16 instead.


It would be great wink thanks !
Ras Thavas
Innerself2007 wrote:
...I can go to file and click open on the hex file but when I go to the second step only reboot is an option and not Program
Anyone have any clue what Im doing wrong?


The program action happens really quickly, you might almost think it hadn't happened. Once it's programmed it's waiting to reboot. I know that I programmed twice just to confirm it was done. Maybe this is the case for you and you have already successfully updated?

It seems the lights are different than expected for the description evidently, but other than some initial confusion that shouldn't be a problem.
Innerself2007
Ras Thavas wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
...I can go to file and click open on the hex file but when I go to the second step only reboot is an option and not Program
Anyone have any clue what Im doing wrong?


The program action happens really quickly, you might almost think it hadn't happened. Once it's programmed it's waiting to reboot. I know that I programmed twice just to confirm it was done. Maybe this is the case for you and you have already successfully updated?

It seems the lights are different than expected for the description evidently, but other than some initial confusion that shouldn't be a problem.


Thanks for the reply. You might be right, maybe it is updated, it's just hard to tell. Is there anyway to confirm what firmware is installed on the module?
It's strange the "Program" option is greyed out when I go to it, so it appears I never am able to perform the program action. Is opening the Hex file the action? I'm using a Mac by the way
Sorry for all the questions I'm just puzzled with this firmware install.

On a brighter note I was able to play with the module for a few hours and I'm really enjoying it. Easy to program once you sit with it for a bit. I was throwing gates at the SMR bands, controlling Rene's X and Y inputs and I also made a CV seqence with a linked gate to the DPO. This module will definitley take me places I need to be
skylab001
Is it possible to turn off quantizing on the CV channels and get microtonal intervals?

I really like the way you can adjust CV on the voltage block by holding down a step and moving a slider. When it's not in playback you just sweep through the CV and lock it into place very quickly because you can hear what is happening on only that channel. It would be great to be able to do this with CV on the Varigate8, i.e. Hold down a button and move a step slider so you can hear the note or cv just slide into place. Ben, is there any possibility or interest in implementing something like this?
Daisuk
skylab001 wrote:
Is it possible to turn off quantizing on the CV channels and get microtonal intervals?

I really like the way you can adjust CV on the voltage block by holding down a step and moving a slider. When it's not in playback you just sweep through the CV and lock it into place very quickly because you can hear what is happening on only that channel. It would be great to be able to do this with CV on the Varigate8, i.e. Hold down a button and move a step slider so you can hear the note or cv just slide into place. Ben, is there any possibility or interest in implementing something like this?


+1!
brandonlogic
skylab001 wrote:
It would be great to be able to do this with CV on the Varigate8, i.e. Hold down a button and move a step slider so you can hear the note or cv just slide into place. Ben, is there any possibility or interest in implementing something like this?


I agree with this point, I think hearing the cv change as you tune is essential for any cv sequencer. if the clock is stopped you should be able to dial in a note on the step its stopped on and hear the cv change.

Quote:
I would say it can be difficult to dial in the correct pitch, even when holding the note button to limit selection to the current octave.


I've also had some trouble with this, after you dial in your notes when the sequence is running wile I'm still on the note page sometimes the notes on some steps actually change without me even touching the fader, just because they are so dense, so many notes on such a small fader, its almost like if you just breath on it it will change...

A solution might be to manually be able to set the number of max octaves on each cv channel so you can decide, so you could for example set the two cv channels to always be only two octaves always if that's all you need.
tibbon
While it's not easy to access, I wish there was a way with the USB port to backup/restore the preset/banks. Just thinking about doing live shows in a few months, and if I had a separate live rig with another varigate 8+... then I'd want to copy my settings over. Or just to be able to restore them in a few months to do another similar gig.
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Here's a little something I recorded where all the modular bits are sequenced by the Varigate 8. This comprises a Folktek matter triggered by the V8, running through Clouds (periodic modulations controlled by V8). Then the Intellijel Shapeshifter through optomix, also sequenced via V8, with rudimentary CV pitch sequencing (only 2 notes I think). The SS then runs through the Rainmaker for the strummed chord reverberations. Both Matter and SS tracks are using Divisions of the master 16th clock which both allows for some interesting rhythms, more musical use of repeats (as Ben mentioned) and longer patterns before resorting to chaining.

Beats added by RYTM and TR-8. Both these and the V8 are synced to ableton. I am using Silent way sync via an ESX-8GT output to sync the V8

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moofi
Very pleasant piece, well done thumbs up

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makz
tibbon wrote:
While it's not easy to access, I wish there was a way with the USB port to backup/restore the preset/banks. Just thinking about doing live shows in a few months, and if I had a separate live rig with another varigate 8+... then I'd want to copy my settings over. Or just to be able to restore them in a few months to do another similar gig.

+1 I wish we could save and restore the patterns via USB
Tropic Al
makz wrote:
tibbon wrote:
While it's not easy to access, I wish there was a way with the USB port to backup/restore the preset/banks. Just thinking about doing live shows in a few months, and if I had a separate live rig with another varigate 8+... then I'd want to copy my settings over. Or just to be able to restore them in a few months to do another similar gig.

+1 I wish we could save and restore the patterns via USB


+1
Innerself2007
Daisuk wrote:


If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel, and let's say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence "rest" when there's no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope's release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn't meant to really be on, but it's set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?


So far I can't get the CV sequence to rest, with longer envelopes you still hear the cv notes. I would love for the module to rest the cv output as well, so on maybe step 4 and 7 you want a note to stay on for 3 gate lengths.
In the manual it says this about linked mode
"In this mode the CV channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked channel is active."
But I am not getting these results, the cv channel still progresses.
Hopefully someone can shed some light on the subject.
Gonna play with this some more tonight
Daisuk
Innerself2007 wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel, and let's say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence "rest" when there's no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope's release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn't meant to really be on, but it's set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?


So far I can't get the CV sequence to rest, with longer envelopes you still hear the cv notes. I would love for the module to rest the cv output as well, so on maybe step 4 and 7 you want a note to stay on for 3 gate lengths.
In the manual it says this about linked mode
"In this mode the CV channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked channel is active."
But I am not getting these results, the cv channel still progresses.
Hopefully someone can shed some light on the subject.
Gonna play with this some more tonight


Huh. That's strange. I asked Malekko about this in an email a while back, I'll just paste in my questions and their answers.

Quote:
If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel on Varigate, and let\'s say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence \"rest\" when there\'s no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope\'s release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn\'t meant to really be on, but it\'s set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?

From what I read in the manual, you can\'t use multiplications or divisions on sequences where gates are tied to either CV1/CV2 - is there a way to implement this?

Also, if you connect the Voltage Block to this, can you tie the gate outs on this to the CV sequences of the Voltage Block in a similar fashion, or do you need to do that \"manually\"?


Their answer:

Yes, the CV will not advance until the next gate, so it will stay on C4 until step 4.
No, there is no way to implement multiplications or divisions on the CV tracks.
You will need to send gate outs to the Voltage Block "manually", with cables on the front.
Thanks for asking!
Daisuk
Regarding the End output - when does this send a gate out? The manual doesn't really say anything about this. I'd love to be able to configure it so that this output sends a pulse everytime I change presets, but not sure if you're able to do that or not?

Also, regarding changing of presets - if you change presets manually, will the change be made immediately, or does it wait until the currently playing sequence has finished?
geetee
Daisuk wrote:
Regarding the End output - when does this send a gate out? The manual doesn't really say anything about this. I'd love to be able to configure it so that this output sends a pulse everytime I change presets, but not sure if you're able to do that or not?

Also, regarding changing of presets - if you change presets manually, will the change be made immediately, or does it wait until the currently playing sequence has finished?


it sends gate on the first step.

immediately changes to the other pattern.
i wish it would wait, like you described.
Innerself2007
Daisuk wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel, and let's say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence "rest" when there's no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope's release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn't meant to really be on, but it's set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?


So far I can't get the CV sequence to rest, with longer envelopes you still hear the cv notes. I would love for the module to rest the cv output as well, so on maybe step 4 and 7 you want a note to stay on for 3 gate lengths.
In the manual it says this about linked mode
"In this mode the CV channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked channel is active."
But I am not getting these results, the cv channel still progresses.
Hopefully someone can shed some light on the subject.
Gonna play with this some more tonight


Huh. That's strange. I asked Malekko about this in an email a while back, I'll just paste in my questions and their answers.

Quote:
If you have a CV channel linked up to a gate channel on Varigate, and let\'s say you have gate 1, 4, 8, 12 on. Will the CV sequence \"rest\" when there\'s no gate associated with that step, or do you risk hearing the following steps of the CV sequence if your envelope\'s release is long? Say if step 1 is a C4, and step 2 isn\'t meant to really be on, but it\'s set to D5 or whatever, will you hear the D5 after the C4 if the envelope is long? If so, is there a way to prevent this without having to set a shorter release on the EG?

From what I read in the manual, you can\'t use multiplications or divisions on sequences where gates are tied to either CV1/CV2 - is there a way to implement this?

Also, if you connect the Voltage Block to this, can you tie the gate outs on this to the CV sequences of the Voltage Block in a similar fashion, or do you need to do that \"manually\"?


Their answer:

Yes, the CV will not advance until the next gate, so it will stay on C4 until step 4.
No, there is no way to implement multiplications or divisions on the CV tracks.
You will need to send gate outs to the Voltage Block "manually", with cables on the front.
Thanks for asking!


Thanks for the info. I will have to try again, I'm assuming everything is behaving as Malekko describes for you?
Still unclear if my module is with updated firmware so maybe that is my issue
Daisuk
geetee wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Regarding the End output - when does this send a gate out? The manual doesn't really say anything about this. I'd love to be able to configure it so that this output sends a pulse everytime I change presets, but not sure if you're able to do that or not?

Also, regarding changing of presets - if you change presets manually, will the change be made immediately, or does it wait until the currently playing sequence has finished?


it sends gate on the first step.

immediately changes to the other pattern.
i wish it would wait, like you described.


Thanks! So, it sends a gate on the first step every time the pattern loops, or when you change patterns?

And that's a bummer about the changing of patterns. Hopefully it can be synced to the pattern in a firmware update.

Innerself2007 wrote:


Thanks for the info. I will have to try again, I'm assuming everything is behaving as Malekko describes for you?
Still unclear if my module is with updated firmware so maybe that is my issue


I haven't gotten the module yet, so no way to check yet how it works here, unfortunately.
tibbon
Feature request: Can we get a "pre-delay" option, to slide a beat just a hair early, instead of late?

Interface-wise, I'd do it just like you do the clock multiply/divide... where if you are on a channel, and then hold down "delay" then the amount you set it for it early, instead of late.

I like putting my snare hits just a tiny bit early wink
Daisuk
bendedavis wrote:
mDang wrote:
I just would like to know how work the END output ?

let me explain my problem :
i use VR8+ with ER101 end i would like to use the END output of the VR8 to reset the ER101. Actually, the END out reset the er101 one step after it would be. I think the END output trig on the first step right ?

if i use a gate out sequencer, let's say number 8 with 16step , normal speed, and with only the last step active, the eR101 reset correctly.

So, in a futur update it woud be great to have the possibilty to choose betewen first step or last step (step 1 or step16) for the END output wink

i tried it with a A155, and i have the same issue.
let me know !

thanks


Yes, it currently sends a gate on the first step. I can figure out a way to allow it to be switched to step 16 instead.


Ah, I just saw this.

So, could you with this "trick" the sequencer somehow by setting say track 1 to the only track with 16 steps, make it a slow division, have all the other tracks on say 15 and below steps, and only have the END output fire every time track one hits step 16? That would be sweet. smile
GuyaGuy
Any opinions on the complexity of this versus the Varigate 4? I got that recently and didn't find it hard to navigate at all. Do the extra features here give it more of a learning curve or complexity?
Carrousel
moofi wrote:
Very pleasant piece, well done thumbs up

Raven_Martin wrote:
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Cheers! thumbs up
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GuyaGuy wrote:
Any opinions on the complexity of this versus the Varigate 4? I got that recently and didn't find it hard to navigate at all. Do the extra features here give it more of a learning curve or complexity?


Haven't used a varigate 4 but the 8 is entirely manageable if you use your modular regularly. I struggled with it for 2-3 days and then got comfortable. Now I whizz round t with confidence. Very quick to program given its tiny size and large number of outputs. As a side note I've recently realised the third mute page function of rotating the outputs is an absolutely genius performance tool for creating fills and bizarre transitions.
GuyaGuy
Raven_Martin wrote:
GuyaGuy wrote:
Any opinions on the complexity of this versus the Varigate 4? I got that recently and didn't find it hard to navigate at all. Do the extra features here give it more of a learning curve or complexity?


Haven't used a varigate 4 but the 8 is entirely manageable if you use your modular regularly. I struggled with it for 2-3 days and then got comfortable. Now I whizz round t with confidence. Very quick to program given its tiny size and large number of outputs. As a side note I've recently realised the third mute page function of rotating the outputs is an absolutely genius performance tool for creating fills and bizarre transitions.

Good to know. The "slider != step" thing seems to be the biggest thing but I got used to that fast with the V4 and Voltage Block. Seems silly not to make room for the V8 to pair it with the Voltage Block...
Never maintain cash savings again
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Another track recorded with the V8 at the centre of proceedings:

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The glitched / clicky percs in this piece are from the Folktek matter sequenced by numerous outs from the V8. The subdued rave sounds (including the rave 'stab') are also the Matter through the Rainmaker. One of the two pads is an Intellijel shapeshifter in chord mode which is also being modulated by the V8. Some of the transitions are created by using the V8's third mute page to rotate the outputs. This works especially well when the outputs are patched into something like Matter where all inputs interact and have cross-effect. Or also if the outputs are patched to fire off envelopes which modulate more subtle things. Rotating the outputs can create great transitions this way.
limpmeat
Nice track! reminds me of early Perlon records.
GuyaGuy
lovely!
Carrousel
Nice one lads. Being compared to early Perlon is just about the best thing I could ever hope for. Proper happy with that! thumbs up
Tropic Al
Raven_Martin wrote:
Another track recorded with the V8 at the centre of proceedings:

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The glitched / clicky percs in this piece are from the Folktek matter sequenced by numerous outs from the V8. The subdued rave sounds (including the rave 'stab') are also the Matter through the Rainmaker. One of the two pads is an Intellijel shapeshifter in chord mode which is also being modulated by the V8. Some of the transitions are created by using the V8's third mute page to rotate the outputs. This works especially well when the outputs are patched into something like Matter where all inputs interact and have cross-effect. Or also if the outputs are patched to fire off envelopes which modulate more subtle things. Rotating the outputs can create great transitions this way.


Very dope
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Another track recorded with the V8 at the centre of proceedings:

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The glitched / clicky percs in this piece are from the Folktek matter sequenced by numerous outs from the V8. The subdued rave sounds (including the rave 'stab') are also the Matter through the Rainmaker. One of the two pads is an Intellijel shapeshifter in chord mode which is also being modulated by the V8. Some of the transitions are created by using the V8's third mute page to rotate the outputs. This works especially well when the outputs are patched into something like Matter where all inputs interact and have cross-effect. Or also if the outputs are patched to fire off envelopes which modulate more subtle things. Rotating the outputs can create great transitions this way.


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause
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Many thanks lads. I have to say there's been a few modules I've bought recently which have really brought my rack together. The V8 being the main one. Would recommend it to anyone.
rktic
My V8+ arrived today and it instantly got my setup to another level in terms of groove. I personally find the value takeover behaviour of the sliders a bit tricky to deal with (yet) but guess it's just about getting used to it.

The amount of value per HP is amazing. I'm also stunned it's such a shallow depth module.

screaming goo yo SlayerBadger! applause
Carrousel
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.
smurf
Raven_Martin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.


wow really nice!
Carrousel
Again, many thanks! we're not worthy

You guys are too nice, I love this place. I also love the V8!
pieter
Raven_Martin wrote:
Again, many thanks! we're not worthy

You guys are too nice, I love this place. I also love the V8!


So keep 'em coming! Mr. Green
Innerself2007
I apologize in advance if this was answered before.Im probably doing something stupid but when I link a CV channel with a gate,my gate channel resets when I start/stop/restart the clock externally but my CV sequence fails to reset. So if I stop the clock at step 4 and start again the gate resets to step 1 and the CV sequence continues on step 4 or 5. Ive been getting interesting results but would love to be able to reset the CV as well.

I agree with others that programming the right note can be tricky when using the CV sequencers. Ive been getting better results just running the Varigate out to a quantizer,this way I have less a range of notes to slide into. Unfortunately Im giving up a quantizer to do this. Gonna need more practice with the CV sequencers.

The gate sequencers work great!

Ohh and the problem I was having a few pages back about the CV sequencer not resting when linked to a gate has been resolved. Its working great now,not sure what happened was definitely user error Im sure.
Innerself2007
Raven_Martin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.


This is great! Love your use of the slower clock. I have an Ornaments & Crime module on its way,looking forward to pairing it with the V8
wigwig
bendedavis wrote:


Here is how the freeze and random gates work:

Freeze : When recall has been held for more than 2 seconds this will manually lock the freeze function. This can also be accessed with any gate signal (above 0.5V). While freeze is active all randomization is held at it's last state. Any random notes will continue to repeat the same way while this is held. Probabilistic patterns will also repeat in the same way until freeze has been deactivated.


Does the external gate need to be held high for Freeze to remain active?
In other words, is the switch triggered by the gate momentary or toggle?
geetee
Innerself2007 wrote:
I agree with others that programming the right note can be tricky when using the CV sequencers. Ive been getting better results just running the Varigate out to a quantizer,this way I have less a range of notes to slide into. Unfortunately Im giving up a quantizer to do this. Gonna need more practice with the CV sequencers.


hold down note button while moving the slider on the cv channel. it will narrow the range of pitch to one octave. to move to different octaves (higher or lower) move the slider to your octave range of choice before holding down the note button.
Innerself2007
geetee wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
I agree with others that programming the right note can be tricky when using the CV sequencers. Ive been getting better results just running the Varigate out to a quantizer,this way I have less a range of notes to slide into. Unfortunately Im giving up a quantizer to do this. Gonna need more practice with the CV sequencers.


hold down note button while moving the slider on the cv channel. it will narrow the range of pitch to one octave. to move to different octaves (higher or lower) move the slider to your octave range of choice before holding down the note button.


Great advice, I will try this
Thanks for the tip!
nrg242
Raven_Martin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.


reminds me of Prince of Denmark/Traumprinz. so well done! i need to delve into the Harrington mode more.
Daisuk
Baseck showing off some cool Varigate 8 tricks in this NAMM video (especially like the low probability high repeat thing).



He does talk about using CV2 out with a high division though, which I didn't think was possible? It says in the manual that you can't divide down the speed of the CV sequences.

Getting this and VB in a couple of days, can't wait! Mr. Green
Carrousel
You only can't divide a CV track when it's slaved to a gate track. But even then you can still divide the gate track to make it progress more slowly. If CV channel is unslaved though it divides or multiplies like all the gate channels.
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
You only can't divide a CV track when it's slaved to a gate track. But even then you can still divide the gate track to make it progress more slowly. If CV channel is unslaved though it divides or multiplies like all the gate channels.


Ah, thanks for that! smile So if I slave CV1 to say gate 8, and divide gate 8 by 16 or whatever, CV1 will move at the same speed as gate 8? If so, then that's great!
Carrousel
Yes absolutely cool
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Yes absolutely cool


Awesome. Thanks, man, and keep those tracks coming. smile
Pengapung
Hey guys!

I having problems with the gate delay :-( any one else??

It doesen't work stable, when moving up to high values of the DLY the sequencers starts to skip the gate delay :-(

And you can clearly see the LED-bar to the left indicating that the setting won't go to max... looks like a firmware problem!

I got an answer from Malekko staff to recalibrate the sliders after updating firmware, but it doesn't help :-(

I'm running to VG8+ in the video using sync from clk and reset cabled. But changed to master slave mode today using jumpers, but this didn't improve the DLY problem.. It doesn't work on it own when just using one VG8+ as well, same problem on boath very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating

Hope some one understands the problem?? And that Malekko guys get home from NAMM soon to fix this shit!

Look at instagram video below to understand... Can post more if needed of proof........ cheers

Follow this link to instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/BPhgv0XjKrD/
wigwig
V8+ seems just about perfect. On the verge of getting one.
But one thing seems odd for a skiffy modul: jacks at bottom.
(Malekko VB for example has jacks a top.)

Doesn't bother you ?
Pengapung
wigwig wrote:
V8+ seems just about perfect. On the verge of getting one.
But one thing seems odd for a skiffy modul: jacks at bottom.
(Malekko VB for example has jacks a top.)

Doesn't bother you ?


I thought so to first, but another user told me that it's no more problem then other modules :-) If you are used to spagetti :-)
And now, when I got mine, I don't really think about it.

Btw. Bendedavis answered me on instagram that he will check my problem when he get home from namm applause
wigwig
Pengapung
Thanks. Yes, we all get used to it!
I guess I'm just starting that process in advance spinning

I wonder what the reasons were for this design decision though...
Worwell
Raven_Martin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.


Really great track.
Worwell
Raven_Martin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Very nice tracks, man, especially like this one! Keep 'em coming! applause


Many thanks! Only got one more for now but its an unusual use of the V8 so here it is....

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/303499569" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

The V8 is used to sequence Neo-Riemmanian chord progressions via the Harrington 1200 app on Ornaments & Crimes. A 1/4 pulse clock is used rather than usual 1/16 and at the start of the track this is even more divided (gradually increased via Pam's workout as clock source). Many of the V8's outputs are also using per track divide settings for even slower sequences (chord changes). The sequenced oscillators are a Rubicon, Dixie and Shapeshifter. The Dixicon gets mixed together into a Z2040 filter and is sometime sent through Clouds. The Shapeshifter is modulated in various ways and is sometimes sent to the Rainmaker. A bass sequence is derived from the sub of the Rubicon and is sequenced via one of the V8 outputs utilising per step delays and repeats. You can hear that the repeat settings become much more useable once tracks are divided (or slower clock used). Though admittedly I didn't mix it very well and the bass ain't that clear! (also only comes in for second half of track). Just wanted to show that this thing excels at very slow sequences as well as Aphex / autechre style ratcheting stuff.


Really great track.
anderson303
Running into a wall here. I can't figure out how to get the other 7 gates to work once I've entered Song mode and automated playback of presets.

It's as if I've lost all other gates as they do not respond to programming. Please tell me this is user error. Doesn't make sense to have 8 gates if only one can play in song mode at a time...?
mharpum
anderson303 wrote:
Running into a wall here. I can't figure out how to get the other 7 gates to work once I've entered Song mode and automated playback of presets.

It's as if I've lost all other gates as they do not respond to programming. Please tell me this is user error. Doesn't make sense to have 8 gates if only one can play in song mode at a time...?


This may sound stupid but are you saving the presets each time before you program the next one? If I remember correctly they need to be saved before you move on to program the next preset.

If you have then I don't know what to suggest, I use this feature all the time with no issues!
anderson303
I see... each preset saves all gates. I was trying to save gates independently.

Thank you! All good now.
Daisuk
Got my V8 a couple of hours ago, and I'm also having trouble with updating the firmware. I figured my module had the latest firmware installed, as it was sent directly from Malekko just a couple of days back, but CV link mode just didn't work. I tried installing the new firmware now, and also experienced the grayed out options in Teensy, but got that working by holding the button on the back of V8 for a little while longer. The instructions on how to do this could do with being a bit clearer, I reckon.

Anyhow, CV link mode is still not working, and in fact, the CV sequencers don't move at all now. Also, not sure if the new firmware got installed at all or if I'm stuck on the old one. hmmm..... Will try the re-calibration bit posted above here, but if anyone has any clues, I'm all ears!

Edit - having done the calibration now, the sequencers move, but the little display thing with the keys on the left do nothing. So no way to link CV or change notes or anything. I've mailed Malekko, but if anyone has any tips on how to get this thing on the road in the meantime, I'd much appreciate it!

sad banana
Daisuk
Meltdown called off. Restarted the computer - installed the firmware again, flashed again, recalibrated again - and it seems to be working now. thumbs up
Carrousel
Happy days! Was just about to chip in saying I don't remember exactly how it went, but a few things to help people in the only way I can:

- If you're using a mac, the update option on the software is hidden somewhere in a drop down menu at top of screen I seem to remember.
- As people have commented previously, the light up sequence differs from the one detailed in the literature
- If it doesn't work, just keep trying!

As a quick question, is calibration something that needs the firmware update software or is it a button combo / start-up trick on the unit itself? Not sure I ever did it and the sliders are a tad jumpy sometimes.
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Happy days! Was just about to chip in saying I don't remember exactly how it went, but a few things to help people in the only way I can:

- If you're using a mac, the update option on the software is hidden somewhere in a drop down menu at top of screen I seem to remember.
- As people have commented previously, the light up sequence differs from the one detailed in the literature
- If it doesn't work, just keep trying!

As a quick question, is calibration something that needs the firmware update software or is it a button combo / start-up trick on the unit itself? Not sure I ever did it and the sliders are a tad jumpy sometimes.


To calibrate you need to turn the module on while holding down "prob" and "dly" while having sliders 1-8 all the way to the left, and slider 9-16 all the way to the right. Then when you've turned it on and all the lights light up, press "prob" and "rpt". Not sure in which order, but just press them both at the same time, it worked eventually. smile

I struggled a bit with this thing initially, but eventually got a sequence going and made some presets. It's a bit difficult to keep a good overview, but it doesn't really matter that much. I got into it after a while. I think it'll pair very nicely with the Voltage Block! Will dig more into the combo tomorrow.
Carrousel
Many thanks!
wigwig
I don't have a Varigate, but am considering. Trying to make sure I understand what I'd be getting! In particular, Random/Probability and Freeze.

Some questions I can't find answers for in manual.

1) Random
Is it possible to randomize one or two channels without randomizng all of them?
It looks like the answer is No, but I want to be sure since that's not the answer I want to hear smile
Manual says (p.12):
'RANDOM: Inserting an external gate input will start seeding random gates per an entire preset of gate patterns/ sequences as well as an entire bank.'

And (p.13):
'RANDOMIZE the PROBABILITY of INDIVIDUAL GATES by holding down PROBABILITY and then REPEAT buttons quickly until the REPEAT button is flashing and then adjust a slider.'
Not sure what 'INDIVIDUAL GATES' means here, but as there's no mention of selecting channels, it seems to mean 'individual steps.'
Is that right? If so, Does this apply to all 8 chanels?

2) Freeze
Manual says (p.13):
'FREEZE: This gate input is active high. Inserting an external gate will freeze randomization. You can also FREEZE by holding down the RECALL button for 2 seconds and it will flash and stay held until you press it again for 2 seconds.'
I assume that 'gate input is active high' means that Freeze is held only as long as the gate is high. Is that right?

Thanks
Carrousel
1) It is possible to prevent random on certain channels. This is accessed via the mute function. You navigate to the 2nd page of mute options (happens to be the 'save' button) and there you can de-select channels from randomisation.

2) I believe this is a typo in the manual and it's meant to say 'randomise the repeats of individual gates'. By pressing the PROB button at the same time as either the DLY or RPT buttons, you can select a given amount of randomisation per step, per channel for both of gate delay and gate repeat. I.e. the further the slider is to the right for a given channel, the more random will be the delays or repeats for the gate on that step.

3) Still haven't worked out freeze fully yet, but based on what Ben has said, whenever the freeze input is gate high, the state of all outputs is held and repeated as is for the 16 steps. This means random has no (new) effect either via gate input or via having set it per step as above

Hope that all makes sense. Its a very complicated module!
wigwig
Thank you, Raven Martin, for that thoughtful and very helpful reply.
I see now the info on Mute. That's great and makes much more sense!

As for #2, I guess you select a channel before doing that, eh?

And as for Freeze being active when gate is high, now I just need to figure out how to trigger a gate that will stay high...without manual intervention.

Anyone care to share how you're doing that?
pieter
wigwig wrote:

And as for Freeze being active when gate is high, now I just need to figure out how to trigger a gate that will stay high...without manual intervention.

Anyone care to share how you're doing that?


You can use an envelope with a fast attack and a logarithmic delay. Then you trigger the envelope, and the delay sets the "gate time". It doesn't matter if the "gate" is not a perfect top hat function; the receiving circuit will have a comparator that determines if the gate is high or low.
wigwig
pieter wrote:


You can use an envelope with a fast attack and a logarithmic delay. Then you trigger the envelope, and the delay sets the "gate time". It doesn't matter if the "gate" is not a perfect top hat function; the receiving circuit will have a comparator that determines if the gate is high or low.


Ah yes of course. Thanks for the suggestion.
I hadn't thought of that, perhaps because I was imagining triggers for both on and off. That would offer more control/variation, it seems.
Will experiment though.
Daisuk
Quick question I couldn't figure out from the manual - whenever I've saved a few presets, but want to clear them all and start a new track, the currently selected preset/gate button will blink like mad. If I turn off the modular, and back on again, it's not blinking. The blinking doesn't really annoy me when the sequencer is running, but it's a bit distracting when it's not running.

Is there a way to clear a preset so that the blinking stops? Or do I just have to power off/on the system?
Carrousel
I've noticed the same thing and I think its kind of a glitch that just doesn't cause any problems. The currently selected preset should be flashing to indicate which one is active, but this flashing doesn't start until that state has been recalled. So if you switch on the modular and start the V8 playing, it will start playing preset 1 but with no flashing. Then the first time you recall any state (including the current one), the flashing will start up again.
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
I've noticed the same thing and I think its kind of a glitch that just doesn't cause any problems. The currently selected preset should be flashing to indicate which one is active, but this flashing doesn't start until that state has been recalled. So if you switch on the modular and start the V8 playing, it will start playing preset 1 but with no flashing. Then the first time you recall any state (including the current one), the flashing will start up again.


Yes! Thanks for chipping in. I've noticed this too, and been a bit confused by it.

Also, is it normal that the gates in the linked gate mode are muted when you hold down the recall button to change preset? I've noticed that something odd happens when I press down "recall" to change presets, which sort of ruins the flow of the track unless you do it really quickly - it seems to be muting certain tracks (I think it's the ones you have linked to the cv outs). Song mode works though, but is less jam friendly.

Very happy with the V8 overall though! Pairs exceptionally well with the Voltage Block! It's a beast of a combo. MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Carrousel
Hmmm I haven't noticed gates being muted when recall is depressed, but I'm usually working in song mode. I did just try to replicate it now by linking a CV channel to one of the gate channels, programming a few gates, saving the preset and then holding down recall (for a while) and switching patterns. Wasn't able to replicate the issue though. Did I miss a particular setting?

I think I'm gonna get the voltage block but I'm hesitating on pulling the trigger purely because I recently got an O&C which is letting me turn anything and everything into a melody. Haven't touched an actual CV sequencer since getting it actually.
Daisuk
I actually can't reproduce it now either, but I could swear something odd happened on at least two different sessions earlier today - strange. Probably a newb mistake somewhere. smile

Voltage Block is actually really great at pitch stuff as well, but I got it more to control other things. It's really great for creating movement and natural variations in a patch, not to mention new passages or phrases. I've been thinking of it as a sort of Just Friends, only with much more control, clock divisions and 8 outputs (so not really like JF at all, but they do some of the same things, I've found).

Also, it pairs really well with an OC! If you use the transposition hack in Quantermain, you can for instance transpose melodies up and down using Voltage Block, so that when you change a preset on the V8, let's say for a sort of break, the melody (or melodies) can be transposed up or down to create a more dramatic transition.

Just one simple use of it. It's incredibly simple to use, but I'm sure will open up a lot of modular systems to some very interesting pieces. A lot of fun to use. Some really good videos posted in the Voltage Block thread. smile
Daisuk
First uploaded recording of a Varigate 8+ sequenced track. Listening back to it now, it's like it's looking for a release, but not really getting there, so don't hold your breath. lol Lots of Voltage Block in this one too.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/seintute[/s]
geetee
sounds good man!
Carrousel
Beautiful pads!

Love the nice creaky percs near the end too. Rainmaker?
Daisuk
Cheers, guys. The perc is bitbox through Sara being modulated by a batumi. smile
Carrousel
Class! I sold my SARA back when I didn't have enough attenuators but I reeeeally wish I had it back now.
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Class! I sold my SARA back when I didn't have enough attenuators but I reeeeally wish I had it back now.


Yes, it's a lovely filter (and there's two!). Nice big knobs on it too. smile

On another note - it would be pretty ace if the presets on the Vari8 could save mutes as well somehow. Sometimes it's nice to create breaks by just muting a few tracks and changing a few things, but the way it works now you have to go into each track and mute the steps manually, which is a bit tedious.
pieter
I just pulled the trigger on a Varigate 8+ (Matttech has them back in stock), can't wait to have a play with it!
mDang
bendedavis wrote:
mDang wrote:
I just would like to know how work the END output ?

let me explain my problem :
i use VR8+ with ER101 end i would like to use the END output of the VR8 to reset the ER101. Actually, the END out reset the er101 one step after it would be. I think the END output trig on the first step right ?

if i use a gate out sequencer, let's say number 8 with 16step , normal speed, and with only the last step active, the eR101 reset correctly.

So, in a futur update it woud be great to have the possibilty to choose betewen first step or last step (step 1 or step16) for the END output wink

i tried it with a A155, and i have the same issue.
let me know !

thanks


Yes, it currently sends a gate on the first step. I can figure out a way to allow it to be switched to step 16 instead.


Hello ! Any update on this please ?
Thanks wink
geetee
Just got the voltage block to go along with my varigate 8+
I love the fact that you can mute steps on the cv channels!

I wish this could be done for the two cv channels on the VG8+
Any possibility that a mute step mode could be added to the V8+ in a future firmware update (Malekko?).
Daisuk
Argh, bloody hell. Just made a bunch of sequences, and glued them together in song mode, but had to redo the thing because the sequences was so short, so wanted to repeat each preset 8 times - but this seemed to be too much for the Varigate 8, and it just conked out, stopped playing after the fourth preset or something (I had 8 going). Then when I tried to exit song mode and just play the presets by hand instead, the recall function didn't work at all. I had to restart the system to get the recall function to work, but then of course I had some digital modules that were also reset and just didn't play what they were supposed to. waah

Anyone else noticed this? Anyone know how many repeats of a preset the V8 is supposed to handle?
Carrousel
Supposed to handle 32 I believe. Which explains it going tits up after the 4th pattern (each at 8x). Perhaps this could be increased in an update?
wigwig
bendedavis wrote:

Not sure if this helps but if you want a certain pattern to play more than once just press the button that many times when setting up the song progression. So if you wanted the first pattern to play once and then the 2nd pattern to play 3 times, hold the Song button press 1, 2, 2, 2. The song progression can be up to 32 entries long.


Above Dec 15
Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Supposed to handle 32 I believe. Which explains it going tits up after the 4th pattern (each at 8x). Perhaps this could be increased in an update?


Ah, ok, yes, I see it's been posted in here before. Would've been nice if that was in the manual. And indeed, if it could be increased. Thanks! smile
Carrousel
This sequencer is absolutely owning my rig at the moment.

Here's another jam which turned into a track where the Varigate sequences all the modular parts. Comprising a Shapeshifter with a send to Clouds, a Dixie which runs entirely through a Rainmaker and a Folktek Matter. Non-modular bits are RYTM with some rave-y samples in it and TR-8.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/304880638" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Daisuk
Nice track, Raven! Sounds like an accordion in there at times. Mr. Green

I've compiled a little wishlist for the V8+.

- Mutes saved with presets
- In link-mode - CV steps corresponding to gate steps
- When manually changing presets - do so when the currently playing preset has finished
- Unquantized CV out
- Increased number of presets to repeat in song mode (due to short sequences)
Tropic Al
Daisuk wrote:
Nice track, Raven! Sounds like an accordion in there at times. Mr. Green

I've compiled a little wishlist for the V8+.

- Mutes saved with presets
- In link-mode - CV steps corresponding to gate steps
- When manually changing presets - do so when the currently playing preset has finished
- Unquantized CV out
- Increased number of presets to repeat in song mode (due to short sequences)


And a couple more to add to that list - bug fix requests for syncing the varigate with another sequencer (in my case a Tip Top CR, but the same problem might well occur with other sequencers too)


Problem - When I am in song mode and listening to my four bar pattern, if I try and sync my CR (also with a four bar pattern programmed in) to the Varigate - (with the Varigate as Master) then the Varigate is sending a reset signal every bar (not at the start of the song loop) - so the CR resets every bar and is unable to play its whole four bar pattern!

Fix - In song mode the reset could fire at the start of the song not at the start of every bar / pattern in the song

Problem - When syncing the Varigate (in song mode) to my CR - when the CR sends a reset to the Varigate, the Varigate doesn't start from the beginning of the song, it only starts from the beginning of the next bar / pattern in the song!

So when I play my four bar sequence from the CR and stop on bar 3, then press play again the CR plays from the start of the four bar pattern, (which sends the reset signal) but the Varigate doesn't reset to the beginning of the song, in this case it would start from bar 4.

If I manually press play in song mode on the Varigate then it always resets and plays from the start of the song!

Fix - when in song mode slaved to an external clock, if sent a reset signal - reset to the beginning of the song not just the closet pattern / bar

Anyone else tried syncing the Varigate to another sequencer in song mode? Wonder if I have a faulty unit or if its an issue with the firmware?
Carrousel
Cheers Daisuk! Accordion sounds are from the shapeshifter, it seems to readily sound acoustic more than any other digit oscs I've used.

I agree with most of the requests but I quite like how patterns change instantly, can be used to creative effect to chop new patterns out of existing ones. Also, the request to have CV steps match gate steps in linked mode, won't that mean that you're limited to a 16step pattern, whereas with the way it currently is, if you only have eg 4 gate steps in your pattern then you can have 4 bars of non-repeating notes as you cycle through all 16 cv steps. Note that there is a current issue where this only works as long as step 1 is inactive. If there is an active gate on step 1 then the CV steps reset when the gates do. Hope that makes sense!
GuyaGuy
Got mine in on Friday. Totally loving it. Having used the Varigate 4 already, it's all pretty straightforward to use. I was surprised to find the PW control as interesting as it is--makes for nicely organic sequences. Haven't played much with the CV side but its gate sequencing is fantastic.


Daisuk
Raven_Martin wrote:
Cheers Daisuk! Accordion sounds are from the shapeshifter, it seems to readily sound acoustic more than any other digit oscs I've used.

I agree with most of the requests but I quite like how patterns change instantly, can be used to creative effect to chop new patterns out of existing ones. Also, the request to have CV steps match gate steps in linked mode, won't that mean that you're limited to a 16step pattern, whereas with the way it currently is, if you only have eg 4 gate steps in your pattern then you can have 4 bars of non-repeating notes as you cycle through all 16 cv steps. Note that there is a current issue where this only works as long as step 1 is inactive. If there is an active gate on step 1 then the CV steps reset when the gates do. Hope that makes sense!


Yeah, in some ways it's good this way, but it would be easier to make slight variations to existing melodies (add a note here or there, or remove a note here or there) if the two corresponded, in my opinion. It's probably just because that's the way I'm used to working with melodies in sequencers. smile
Worwell
Varigate sequencing Tip Top drums and Akemie's Taiko modulated by Batumi chaos waves.

revoltcrews
like many of you, the Vari8 has been running my live rig to no end.
Here's a few of outtakes as i prep for a show in feb.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPeVL4iDENx/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrAXlRjWYk/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6jbDsDlxr/
wigwig
wigwig wrote:

And as for Freeze being active when gate is high, now I just need to figure out how to trigger a gate that will stay high...without manual intervention.

Anyone care to share how you're doing that?


Answering my own question:

Flip Flop is good for that.
I don't have a flip flop/logic module but MN Function can do this.
Cortega
revoltcrews wrote:
like many of you, the Vari8 has been running my live rig to no end.
Here's a few of outtakes as i prep for a show in feb.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPeVL4iDENx/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrAXlRjWYk/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6jbDsDlxr/


awesome patches,
in the first video are the higher Percussion sounds in the Backround with the reverb on it, samples or is that the Orgone ?
revoltcrews
Cortega wrote:
revoltcrews wrote:
like many of you, the Vari8 has been running my live rig to no end.
Here's a few of outtakes as i prep for a show in feb.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPeVL4iDENx/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrAXlRjWYk/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6jbDsDlxr/


awesome patches,
in the first video are the higher Percussion sounds in the Backround with the reverb on it, samples or is that the Orgone ?


hey thanks SlayerBadger!
those were orgone fm plucked modulations.
Cortega
revoltcrews wrote:
Cortega wrote:
revoltcrews wrote:
like many of you, the Vari8 has been running my live rig to no end.
Here's a few of outtakes as i prep for a show in feb.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPeVL4iDENx/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrAXlRjWYk/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6jbDsDlxr/


awesome patches,
in the first video are the higher Percussion sounds in the Backround with the reverb on it, samples or is that the Orgone ?


hey thanks SlayerBadger!

those were orgone fm plucked modulations.



ahh cool i think i found my next OSC, thanx for reply... did you like to share little Detail how you FM plucking and what is the Hall are you using ?
Daisuk
Awesome patches, worvell and revoltcrews! applause
revoltcrews
Cortega wrote:


ahh cool i think i found my next OSC, thanx for reply... did you like to share little Detail how you FM plucking and what is the Hall are you using ?


Cortega pm'd you regarding orgone.

and thanks Daisuk!
Carrousel
Absolutely ruthless percussion sounds in those patches guys (revoltcrew, Worwell), love it.

How y'all finding the V8 for sequencing? I've found it requires you to work in its way of thinking and patches require some pre-thought rather than just being able to build them up at will. But saying that its very rewarding when you get there.
revoltcrews
Raven_Martin wrote:
Absolutely ruthless percussion sounds in those patches guys (revoltcrew, Worwell), love it.

How y'all finding the V8 for sequencing? I've found it requires you to work in its way of thinking and patches require some pre-thought rather than just being able to build them up at will. But saying that its very rewarding when you get there.


i find it a breeze to come up with sequences on the fly.
just focus on the face value functions for a bit b4 diggin deeper if you wish.
and choose a certain function at a time to acquaint yourself with it.
Carrousel
Yeah it certainly pays to get accustomed to each individual function one at a time. Easy to get lost otherwise. I've found it makes it easier to pick a value too if you whack the slider all the way left and then move it to where you want.

Here's a track somewhere between the cheesy and the funky:

The V8 sequences an ensemble of Intellijel voices using several gate outs and both CV outs into an O&C. Dixicon FM bassline, Rainmaker Karplus strong clocked by the Rubicon and Shapeshifter chords sent through MI Clouds for jazz.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/305585309" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
giftculture
Raven_Martin wrote:


Here's a track somewhere between the cheesy and the funky:



Funky! I really like it!
giftculture
Anybody here have both the V8+ and Voltage Block? From pictures, I only see one header on the V8+ , how do you synch the two together? Do they connect together directly, or do they use the standard doepfer bus lines on the power header?
wigwig
Manual:
"The Voltage Block was designed to work exceptionally well along with the Malekko Varigate 8+. The following features are prevalent when the Voltage Block is connected to the same bus as the Varigate 8+ and in “SLAVE” mode (where the master clock is now the Varigate 8+)."
giftculture
wigwig wrote:
Manual:
"The Voltage Block was designed to work exceptionally well along with the Malekko Varigate 8+. The following features are prevalent when the Voltage Block is connected to the same bus as the Varigate 8+ and in “SLAVE” mode (where the master clock is now the Varigate 8+)."


I read that in the manual already, but it was unclear to me, probably due to my lack of understanding

What I am unsure about is if the bus is addressed through the ribbon cables plugged into the power headers in my case or if the bus is wired directly from headers on one module to headers on the other. Hope that makes sense and I am adequately explaining my confusion smile What was confusing to me was that the VB has two sets of headers - the power header and another header, and I wasn't sure if that other header was involved with the bus somehow

I don't believe any of my other modules make use of the bus lines, so I'm not very experienced with that side of eurorack

Thanks!
Carrousel
Hey Giftculture, nice one on the track thumbs up

The Eurorack bus is a way of passing CV (usually 1v/oct pitch) and gate and clock information over the bus boards. If you look at a schematic for the pin headers, you can see what each pin carries. This means there doesn't need to be a separate bus cable running from Voltage block to V8 (though many manufacturers obviously do use separate cables when they need to transfer info that wouldn't neatly fit into the bus spec.
giftculture
Raven_Martin wrote:
Hey Giftculture, nice one on the track thumbs up

The Eurorack bus is a way of passing CV (usually 1v/oct pitch) and gate and clock information over the bus boards. If you look at a schematic for the pin headers, you can see what each pin carries. This means there doesn't need to be a separate bus cable running from Voltage block to V8 (though many manufacturers obviously do use separate cables when they need to transfer info that wouldn't neatly fit into the bus spec.


Ah, thanks a lot, that makes sense!
And thank for the kind words re: the track - I've enjoyed listening to your tracks on soundcloud as well!
Worwell
Varigate sequencing Tip Top drums, Akemie's Taiko into Sandman Pro.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/305630962" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Carrousel
Worwell wrote:
Varigate sequencing Tip Top drums, Akemie's Taiko into Sandman Pro.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/305630962" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Some insaaaane bass drums in there man, nice one. Is that the Taiko or Tiptop kick? What's doing the effects? (Is it the sandman pro you mentioned? I don't know what that is but I like the sound of it)
Worwell
Raven_Martin wrote:
Worwell wrote:
Varigate sequencing Tip Top drums, Akemie's Taiko into Sandman Pro.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/305630962" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Some insaaaane bass drums in there man, nice one. Is that the Taiko or Tiptop kick? What's doing the effects? (Is it the sandman pro you mentioned? I don't know what that is but I like the sound of it)


Thank you. I ran the TipTop bass drum through Warps for this one. The effects come from Sandman Pro, which is a plugin created by forum regular thelizard. It is an extreme delay with a buffer that can be frozen, sample rate downsampling, and extreme modulation options. It can get glitch quick. I love it. I'm really liking the Varigate so far. Next step is to get up to speed on the song mode to change things up some.
giftculture
So there is some behavior that is puzzling to me re: V8+ and VB in slave mode.

If I hit play on the V8+ with the Voltage Block in slave mode (with nothing in clk/cv on the voltage block) , everything syncs up. If I hit stop and then play on the V8+, the Voltage Block and the V8+ both reset and start over from beat 1. So far, so good.

However, let's say I want to clock the V8+ externally. If the V8+ isn't in play mode, and I send it a clock, nothing happens. If I put it in play mode, it starts at whatever tempo it is set to. If I send it an external clock, it synchs up no problem. I can speed up and slow down the external clock and the VB and V8+ follow. If I stop the clock, however, the V8+ stops advancing, but the Voltage Block keeps advancing and the clock out of the V8+ keeps ticking.

This behavior is unexpected. I would expect when sending the v8+ clock that if I stop sending it clock, the v8+ would stop advancing, but also, the v8+ clock out would stop, along with the Voltage Block.

I can work around it by hitting play and then stop on the v8+, and then sending a reset pulse to the VB and to the V8+. When I do that and then hit play on the external clock, everything starts as usual, it just seems a bit fiddly
thelizard
Worwell, this is a fun scavenger hunt walking into random threads and listening to you demolish sounds with SP.

Quick question for the V8+ users, as I can't find it listed in the manual. Is there a way to quickly set PROB or PW for ALL steps in a sequence without having to manipulate all 16 sliders?
geetee
giftculture wrote:
So there is some behavior that is puzzling to me re: V8+ and VB in slave mode.

If I hit play on the V8+ with the Voltage Block in slave mode (with nothing in clk/cv on the voltage block) , everything syncs up. If I hit stop and then play on the V8+, the Voltage Block and the V8+ both reset and start over from beat 1. So far, so good.

However, let's say I want to clock the V8+ externally. If the V8+ isn't in play mode, and I send it a clock, nothing happens. If I put it in play mode, it starts at whatever tempo it is set to. If I send it an external clock, it synchs up no problem. I can speed up and slow down the external clock and the VB and V8+ follow. If I stop the clock, however, the V8+ stops advancing, but the Voltage Block keeps advancing and the clock out of the V8+ keeps ticking.

This behavior is unexpected. I would expect when sending the v8+ clock that if I stop sending it clock, the v8+ would stop advancing, but also, the v8+ clock out would stop, along with the Voltage Block.

I can work around it by hitting play and then stop on the v8+, and then sending a reset pulse to the VB and to the V8+. When I do that and then hit play on the external clock, everything starts as usual, it just seems a bit fiddly


I just got the voltage block and had same problem when syncing to external clock.

my workaround is patching the "end" output on the V8+ to the reset input on the voltage block. works like a charm, but one would think that it shouldn't be necessary.
SB-SIX
Got one yesterday. Awesome module! One question, on the original prototype (1st post) there was a recall input, now renamed to freeze. What I wanted to do is send a gate into the random input, to create fillins and then return back to original pattern. I think this is not possible anymore correct? To me it would be even nicer to play random stuff when rnd gate is high, and go back to its original pattern when gate is low.
Carrousel
^ I completely agree. I was a bit puzzled myself when I realised the unit can apparently no longer do this. A rising edge to return the pattern to the original, saved, pre-randomised version would be way more use to me (and many others I suspect) than a gate-high freeze function.
Daisuk
Yep, agree with you both.

Also, presets should really save mutes! Would make creating several useful patterns way more intuitive, instead of having to manually mute all active gates on a channel you want to mute for a particular part of a song.
SB-SIX
I do find the freeze function useful. At first didn't realize this, but it takes a snapshot of all current probabilities and freezes that. Can also be done by holding the recall button a few secs.
geetee
Daisuk wrote:
Yep, agree with you both.

Also, presets should really save mutes! Would make creating several useful patterns way more intuitive, instead of having to manually mute all active gates on a channel you want to mute for a particular part of a song.


I wouldn't want presets to save mutes, because it would not be good for live peformance, where i want to have control over the mutes across all presets. but i understand it would be useful for building up a track in song mode.

But as an option (switch between the two mute behaviors), i'm all for that smile
Worwell
Varigate in a generative patch.

greenanother
Been having trouble getting the PW button to light (unless I tap it a bunch of times). Intermittent though...hardware flaw, bug, user error?
geetee
Guessing it's a hardware issue. never had problem with the PW button.
moofi
Got the same issue on a button of the VCA Matrix. It´s definitely a hardwarething. A workaround here is not to only push the button vertically but slightly to the side aswell, so it hooks on. What side most likely depends on the position of the hooking element. I know, not perfect, still better than nothing for starters :-)

greenanother wrote:
Been having trouble getting the PW button to light (unless I tap it a bunch of times). Intermittent though...hardware flaw, bug, user error?

Video added:

moofi
Funky Mash hihi

Worwell wrote:
Varigate in a generative patch.

greenanother
[quote="moofi"]Got the same issue on a button of the VCA Matrix. It´s definitely a hardwarething. A workaround here is not to only push the button vertically but slightly to the side aswell, so it hooks on. What side most likely depends on the position of the hooking element. I know, not perfect, still better than nothing for starters :-)

[quote="greenanother"]Been having trouble getting the PW button to light (unless I tap it a bunch of times). Intermittent though...hardware flaw, bug, user error?

ok; thanks...bummer... sad banana

Edit: Contacted Malekko today and they're taking good care of me It's peanut butter jelly time!
Carrousel
Driving synth-ridden jam, most of which is sequenced by the crazy little bastard that is the V8. Love this thing more and more every day.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306437432" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
GuyaGuy
Raven_Martin wrote:
Driving synth-ridden jam, most of which is sequenced by the crazy little bastard that is the V8. Love this thing more and more every day.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306437432" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
The Chewbacca Defense
giftculture
Raven_Martin wrote:
Driving synth-ridden jam, most of which is sequenced by the crazy little bastard that is the V8. Love this thing more and more every day.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306437432" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Groovy! Any patch notes for this one?
Carrousel
thumbs up Cheers man!

The sleazy electro-ish chord synth is a Shapeshifter which is sequenced by the V8. This runs through Clouds which is being modulated by random signals which are fed via VCAs being opened by envelopes sequenced by the V8.

The more vanilla synth sound is a Dixicon which runs through a Rainmaker and an AD Dimensions, but the two swap places (i.e. Clouds and Rainmaker) via use of switches and this is again sequenced via V8.

EDIT: forgot to mention the melody lines for the Shapeshifter and Dixicon run through O&C. A third track of the O&C samples the same CV source as the Shapeshifter but only allows through root and 5th and this is fed to the 1v/oct on Clouds for the trills.

EDIT 2: To add more info in context of the V8, i use several of the V8 gate outputs to fire envelopes which modulate the shapeshifter, or simply send gates to the decay CV input of the quadara (expander) which is opening the Shapeshifter's VCA. This way you can get the V8 really breathing life into your lead line. Its amazingly good fun to patch with.

Plus a couple of non-modular bits: The bass line is a Bass Station ii and percs are a RYTM and TR-8
Worwell
Varigate in song mode. This is a fun module once you get into the deeper options.

Ras Thavas
Worwell wrote:
Varigate in song mode. This is a fun module once you get into the deeper options.



Nice!
tibbon
I was trying to sync my Varigate 8+ with Silent Way's "sync" plugin, sending both reset and clock to it with an ES-3.

It turns out that sending a reset gate advances the clock by one step, so it was always off by one. The trick is to tell Silent Way to skip the first beat, allowing this first reset to act as a clock pulse. Doing this gets you pretty much on-point, but not perfectly so.

If you want it within 1ms timing, you'll have to do some offset in in Silent Way (10ms or so), but then it starts always one bar later (at least in Ableton Live), which is ok for me... just something to know about. You don't have to do this if you're ok with it being just a hair off timing wise (probably ok for live performances, or if you don't mind sliding everything back 10ms in editing).
SB-SIX
HA! They forgot to add a super cool feature to the manual. On a CV track, press prob + note. Now you can generate a random note for that specific step!
This thing keeps on giving, so much fun!
Carrousel
^ that is brilliant. The way it works then, you can choose to have random gates with a constant melody line, or a constant rhythm with the odd random note (still quantised to your choice of scale!). Or you can have carefully refined randomisation of both, per step! Madness will surely ensue...
SB-SIX
Yes, and then combined with the freeze, which removes the randomness from the notes and the triggers, you can easily switch from consistent to random mayhem.
thelizard
thelizard wrote:
Quick question for the V8+ users, as I can't find it listed in the manual. Is there a way to quickly set PROB or PW for ALL steps in a sequence without having to manipulate all 16 sliders?


Mine arrived yesterday. I sold a significant portion of my system and replaced it with the V8+, VB, and Bitbox. There's a ton of functionality in these modules. I'm especially enjoying the RPT mode.

To answer my above question, I figured it out pretty quickly. Hold the BANK/ALL button after choosing the parameter you want to modify for all sliders for an output. While holding the ALL button, move a slider to set all sliders to that value. For instance, if you want a stable clock on one output, select that output, select PRB, hold ALL, and move one slider to 100%. Every other slider should then light up.

This feature is missing from the manual. It helps a lot with my workflow! For anyone using V8 with a Nord Drum 2, this is a quick way to knock the pulse width of each track down to useful ND2 values.
dmuirw
Best Sampler next to the Stillson hammer mark 2
giftculture
thelizard wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Quick question for the V8+ users, as I can't find it listed in the manual. Is there a way to quickly set PROB or PW for ALL steps in a sequence without having to manipulate all 16 sliders?


Mine arrived yesterday. I sold a significant portion of my system and replaced it with the V8+, VB, and Bitbox. There's a ton of functionality in these modules. I'm especially enjoying the RPT mode.

To answer my above question, I figured it out pretty quickly. Hold the BANK/ALL button after choosing the parameter you want to modify for all sliders for an output. While holding the ALL button, move a slider to set all sliders to that value. For instance, if you want a stable clock on one output, select that output, select PRB, hold ALL, and move one slider to 100%. Every other slider should then light up.

This feature is missing from the manual. It helps a lot with my workflow! For anyone using V8 with a Nord Drum 2, this is a quick way to knock the pulse width of each track down to useful ND2 values.


Seems like there are a few things like this that aren't in the manual - I hope the manual gets updated soon!
Carrousel
thelizard wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Quick question for the V8+ users, as I can't find it listed in the manual. Is there a way to quickly set PROB or PW for ALL steps in a sequence without having to manipulate all 16 sliders?


Mine arrived yesterday. I sold a significant portion of my system and replaced it with the V8+, VB, and Bitbox. There's a ton of functionality in these modules. I'm especially enjoying the RPT mode.

To answer my above question, I figured it out pretty quickly. Hold the BANK/ALL button after choosing the parameter you want to modify for all sliders for an output. While holding the ALL button, move a slider to set all sliders to that value. For instance, if you want a stable clock on one output, select that output, select PRB, hold ALL, and move one slider to 100%. Every other slider should then light up.

This feature is missing from the manual. It helps a lot with my workflow! For anyone using V8 with a Nord Drum 2, this is a quick way to knock the pulse width of each track down to useful ND2 values.


Sweet cheese that is fuckin brilliant. That will save me so much time and unnecessary slider fiddling!!
GuyaGuy
[quote="Raven_Martin"]
thelizard wrote:

Sweet cheese that is fuckin brilliant. That will save me so much time and unnecessary slider fiddling!!

+1

SB-SIX wrote:
HA! They forgot to add a super cool feature to the manual. On a CV track, press prob + note. Now you can generate a random note for that specific step!
This thing keeps on giving, so much fun!

Didn't realize I needed this feature until now!
hihi
7C
help please!
is there somethng like a (factory) reset?
my vg has quite a few issues, from one day to the other..

- clock in doesnt start it
- when ext clocked and i press play the clock jumps around, repeating steps, etc
- gate out 1 is dead, sliders dont work
- the other gate work but when i change the sliders, they stay as they are, when i clear, i have the same problem as with gate out 1

did the firmware updates, didnt help.

thx in advance for your help!
GuyaGuy
7C wrote:
help please!
is there somethng like a (factory) reset?
my vg has quite a few issues, from one day to the other..

- clock in doesnt start it
- when ext clocked and i press play the clock jumps around, repeating steps, etc
- gate out 1 is dead, sliders dont work
- the other gate work but when i change the sliders, they stay as they are, when i clear, i have the same problem as with gate out 1

did the firmware updates, didnt help.

thx in advance for your help!

Might want to see if it's able to draw enough power. At 180mA it's pretty hungry. Otherwise Malekko support is super awesome.
7C
wrote malekko directly as well...i really hope it´s something managable, i need that thing right now... Dead Banana regarding power - well the case needs about 900 and i use a row power 30, i guess that should be more than enough. i´ll try it with a different power in a different rack on monday, but i´m pretty sure, that´s not the reason. the old rack the vg was in, was really cramped and it had a uzeus, which delivers 500 less if i recall correctly..

ps: .... for weeks now i´m getting these invalid session errors, typed a reply here on the desktop and i simply cant post it...it does work from the mobile though. copy paste workaround deluxe grin
Worwell
Varigate 8 (randomized every 32 steps) sequencing Mutant Bass Drum, Akemie's Taiko, Basimilus Iteritas Alter and Piston Honda into DLD/Sandman Pro/VintageVerb. O + C Low Rents Modulation.

Carrousel
Relaxing vibes fo' yo' Sunday. The V8 sequences all synth voices in this acoustic sounding piece. The main flute line is running through the Clouds in looping delay mode. Then I use random steps from a V8 channel to flip switches letting different randomised, quantised arabesque melody swirls through to the Clouds 1v/oct input. Makes quite a nice ever changing melody.

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Dark Barn
I ordered one and now I can't wait for it to get here, seems so excellent!

One quandary though, where to put it in my case? Ergonomically, the placement of the jacks between the buttons and sliders... anyone have strong opinions if it is best in a top or bottom row? And then if I got the Voltage Block to pair with it, the jacks are in top... seems like an odd design choice for a pair of sequencers designed to work together.
mafgar
This vs Metropolis?

Was looking at getting a metropolis for some acidy goodness but the Varigate seems pretty similar + MORE + it's basically the same price?
GuyaGuy
21 minute tutorial! woah

gonner
mafgar wrote:
This vs Metropolis?

Was looking at getting a metropolis for some acidy goodness but the Varigate seems pretty similar + MORE + it's basically the same price?

I've had both. Sold the Metropolis, and completely regret it. They're completely different and both a lot of fun. It's not X vs Y.
Daisuk
GuyaGuy wrote:
21 minute tutorial! woah



This is awesome - thanks a lot! I feel like I know the V8 quite well, but still learned a trick or two. You have a knack for making tutorial videos, please keep on doing it! Love the attention to detail with the links to the various parts on Youtube as well, that's very handy. smile
wigwig
drd
Your tutorials are among the best.
Thank you ! thumbs up


I miss only an explanation of Random with Freeze.


Edit: confused ids
Carrousel
GuyaGuy wrote:
21 minute tutorial! woah



Very nicely done! Taught me some stuff about banks I didn't know. Plus nice to understand how randomisation of delay and repeats works, i.e. by setting lowest and highest possible parameter. Thanks!
geetee
excellent tutorial!

"each bank can have it's own song sequence. and one's it's programmed it's automatically saved with it's bank"

This is something that is not mentioned in the manual (clearly enough anyway).

But ever since i got the VG8+ i have been struggling with storing and recalling songs between banks.

After seeing this video tutorial, i tried my best figuring it out once and for all.

Saved a sequence within bank. saved another sequence in another bank. But switching between songs (essentially banks), acts in a weird way. Like, the song doesn't start at the beginning of the sequence, or it plays a unrelated preset to my earlier programming of the song 1x time before continuing to start the correct sequence.

I have the latest firmware. Surely i can't be only one with this complaint?
giftculture
*edit*

Nevermind - looks like I had the delay on the step too long to get both hits in before the step incremented

The DRD video tutorial shows a gate+delay feature ( https://youtu.be/8Uk-mCEaxJ8?t=17m57s ) where he holds down mute and delay at the same time, which causes a step to trigger both its on time hit and the delayed hit, but my V8+ doesn't seem to have that feature, any one happen to know which firmware version added that ability? I would surely like to have it for swung notes!
Worwell
Another go at song mode. Varigate sequencing Mutant BD, TT snare and clap, Akemie's Taiko, Basimilus Alter, Radio Music. Weird delay from Delay No More.



danielrdehaan
Hey fellow wigglers!

I'll be working on another video or two on the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block. Showing some of the things you have all discovered/shared here in the forums, as well as a few other things that I think could use a little more in-depth discussion/exploration.

If you haven't seen the videos I have done so far, you can check them out at:
https://www.youtube.com/danielrdehaan

Let me know if there is anything specifically that you have questions about or would love to see a video on.

Thanks,
Daniel
[AKA DRD_Tutorials]
Montgomery Word
i'm having some issues with my varigate 8+...

when jamming for a while, suddenly my channels don't work right, like for example gate 4 when pressed and i try to use the probability mode to insert some triggers, it sends to gate 5. each channel will only send the next channel when new triggers are inserted, and also saved gates/triggers on patterns start playing the next channel all around. after i power off, it fixes it, but also erases all my patterns occasionally.
my v8 is already updated, successfully.
anyone had similar issues? i feel like it's a bug, but also like i may be doing something else wrong while jamming. like hitting some combo of buttons and getting into a weird mode.
i read the manual, but can't seem to find anything to explain this. except for one mode to rotate channels, but that doesn't really explain new inputs coming out the next channel.
HALP I HAZ A SHOW TOMORROW. plz.

ps. i love the module, despite this issue.
SB-SIX
When mute is flashing, there is an option to rotate the gates. Maybe you accidently pressed that?
Carrousel
^ yup, sounds like that's what's happened to me. I had the same issue when I first got the module.
Montgomery Word
SB-SIX wrote:
When mute is flashing, there is an option to rotate the gates. Maybe you accidently pressed that?


i just figured it out. AND ROTATING GATES IS THE SHIT!!! holy fuck this is the drum module i've been waiting for. plus, it's basically a metropolis x 2 to boot!!!!

i was also somehow not saving right. not sure how, maybe there is a little bug with wiping presets, i'll have to dig deeper...regardless, i feel confident about my show tomorrow. ❤
Montgomery Word
i'm using it with the bitbox and murdering with all found sound percussion.
Montgomery Word
hey guys, just wanted to share my liveset from tonight....varigate 8+ was the only drum programmer used. also it clocked 15u....
hope you like!

lifelike family abstracted, 3.04.17 (portland, OR)
[s]http://soundcloud.com/disxiple/abstracted-liveset-30417-lifelyke-fa m[/s]
ps. thanks BEN DAVIS for being there! ❤
Daisuk
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey guys, just wanted to share my liveset from tonight....varigate 8+ was the only drum programmer used. also it clocked 15u....
hope you like!
lifelike family abstracted, 3.04.17 (portland, OR)
ps. thanks BEN DAVIS for being there! ❤


Great set, man, love it! applause
bendedavis
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey guys, just wanted to share my liveset from tonight....varigate 8+ was the only drum programmer used. also it clocked 15u....
hope you like!
lifelike family abstracted, 3.04.17 (portland, OR)
ps. thanks BEN DAVIS for being there! ❤


Amazing set, dude smilesmile
Montgomery Word
Daisuk thanks!!!!

bendedavis, it's a special honor to rock such a dope module in front of the dude who made it.
love

thanks for listening, guys! got another set 3.25 at Leaven Community Center. Hope 2 C u there!

https://www.facebook.com/events/413750008988659/l
pisrecords
this module have some swing ? like circadian rhythms . hmmm.....
ignatius
pisrecords wrote:
this module have some swing ? like circadian rhythms . hmmm.....


gate delay per step per track. you can make it really loose, swing whatever... but you have to program it.
bemushroomed
About Swing, how would i program something like a TR-808 swing, it's a certain % of delay every X step or is it more advanced than that ?
wildfrontiers
The gate delay can be set per track as well. Just hold Bank/All when adjusting gate delay.
Carrousel
bemushroomed wrote:
About Swing, how would i program something like a TR-808 swing, it's a certain % of delay every X step or is it more advanced than that ?




Yup, typical 'swing' involves delaying every other step by a certain amount. The delayed steps are the even-numbered ones. Full swing delay results in these notes landing on the triplet grid, no swing is obviously straight and then you can set anywhere in between for a more or less swung feel.
bemushroomed
Raven_Martin wrote:

Yup, typical 'swing' involves delaying every other step by a certain amount. The delayed steps are the even-numbered ones. Full swing delay results in these notes landing on the triplet grid, no swing is obviously straight and then you can set anywhere in between for a more or less swung feel.


Thanks, will experiment smile
giftculture
it would be awesome if there was a button combo similar to holding bank/all, that would just delay every other step!
GuyaGuy
giftculture wrote:
it would be awesome if there was a button combo similar to holding bank/all, that would just delay every other step!

808 mode? hihi
wildfrontiers
Exploring the melodic side of the Malekko Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block. Sequencing Mutable Rings harp and Mutable Elements flute.

Not really scratching the surface with how powerful these 2 are, but they are amazing for creating varied and expressive sequences.

rico loverde
thats really beautiful wildfrontiers!
kuxaan-sum
V8+ doing some mildly random rhythms from Wednesday during a local synth meetup patch:

SB-SIX
wildfrontiers wrote:
Exploring the melodic side of the Malekko Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block. Sequencing Mutable Rings harp and Mutable Elements flute.

Not really scratching the surface with how powerful these 2 are, but they are amazing for creating varied and expressive sequences.


Love this, very nicely done!
SB-SIX
I've used every gate output of the vari in this jam. Much love for the v8+



https://youtu.be/RM8mDhJZ924
GuyaGuy
w00t
moofi
Very good thumbs up

A Varigate 8+ along with a Varigate 4 are waiting here to be implemented. Very much looking forward as they both seem to be quite an addition I feel.
Videos seen so far suggest a lot of possibilites rhythmic + melodywise.
miles_macquarrie
SB-SIX wrote:
I've used every gate output of the vari in this jam. Much love for the v8+



https://youtu.be/RM8mDhJZ924



That is awesome, I just subscribed to your channel. What case are you using?
SB-SIX
miles_macquarrie wrote:
SB-SIX wrote:
I've used every gate output of the vari in this jam. Much love for the v8+



That is awesome, I just subscribed to your channel. What case are you using?


Thanks! The case is from mdlrcase.com. The owner is a friend of mine and hangs around here on muff too. Very good cases!

moofi wrote:
Very good thumbs up

A Varigate 8+ along with a Varigate 4 are waiting here to be implemented. Very much looking forward as they both seem to be quite an addition I feel.
Videos seen so far suggest a lot of possibilites rhythmic + melodywise.


Yes that would be a great combo. I first thought 8 gates would be enough but i always need more smile Things i like to do with those gates are trigging envs, use as irregular clocks on sequencers, rolling the dice on a seq switch (using random trigger amounts so the switch ends on a different position every time), using it with boolean logic. The 8 excels in these things because of the pulse width per step.
miles_macquarrie
[quote="SB-SIX"]
miles_macquarrie wrote:
SB-SIX wrote:
I've used every gate output of the vari in this jam. Much love for the v8+



That is awesome, I just subscribed to your channel. What case are you using?


Thanks! The case is from mdlrcase.com. The owner is a friend of mine and hangs around here on muff too. Very good cases!

Cool. I like that it goes higher than the other studio cases from Arjan. I have the folding 12u 104 hp case from him and like it a lot!
radamant
Has anyone else had issues externally clocking the Varigate 8 with a trigger clock source like the Intellijel uMidi?

If I feed clock via midi cable into the uMidi, then take the clock out into the clock in of the varigate I very very irregular step behavior, like there is random delay on each step.

If I instead feed that same uMidi clock trigger source into my Batumi sync input, then feed the Batumi's synced square LFO out into the Varigate 8 clock in, it syncs perfectly, with no perceivable delay on any steps.

I could be wrong, but my guess is that the triggers that uMidi is outputting are too short for the Varigate to detect. The square LFO on the Batumi, however is a nice, long risen edge and the varigate seems happy with that.

I suppose I could get a trigger-> gate module put between uMidi and Varigate, but I didn't expect to have to do that.

Malekko, is this intended behavior? I think I'm on the latest firmware as it seems to be syncing correctly with my same-buss Voltage block...
gonner
When Voltage Block is slaved to Varigate and the Varigate is receiving a random gate is there a way to remove the Voltage Block's output from being randomized?

On the Varigate you can do this by pressing mute then save, and choosing an outpu to remove.
Worwell
I've been experimenting with sending the Varigate chaotic clocks sources. Here, the Dixie is clocking Varigate sequencing NLC Giant BONO, Bongo, Delay No More, and Akemie's Castle. Giant B0N0 frequency modulating Dixie clock.

PopGoblin
Hey all

Loving the Varigate! But I have a couple of issues/whishes - mainly concerning recall of sequences...

- it would be great if the change of sequence/pattern when recall'ing was somehow "after completion" of a run, instead of instantaneous (or - maybe i'm doing it wrong?)
- load of sequence controlled by CV would be amazing. Imagine having the voltage block (or something else) control active sequence/pattern?

thanks for a great module!
thebrotherspus
just curious,
is there a way to tell which firmware is installed on the varigate 8?
i had a quick look through the manual and didn't see anything... i could've missed it though.

thanks.
bendedavis
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Here's a set I played earlier this month
7C
quick one: with repeat or delay pressed - the vg shows the steps that have a probability, but not just let´s say the repeat on step on 1 and 8 ... if i just want to dive into a pattern and see where i´ve set repeats or delays, it doesnt work...am i doing something wrong or isnt this possible (yet)?
bendedavis
7C wrote:
quick one: with repeat or delay pressed - the vg shows the steps that have a probability, but not just let´s say the repeat on step on 1 and 8 ... if i just want to dive into a pattern and see where i´ve set repeats or delays, it doesnt work...am i doing something wrong or isnt this possible (yet)?


To see which steps have repeats and delays dialed in just select Repeat or Delay buttons and the bargraph LED will show the amount dialed in for the step as it's sequenced through.
7C
thats exactly the problem, it shows the chosen probability steps but not repeats or delays wink
kriskeyman
I'm having and issue with the 'END' output. It seems the pw is too long so that it sends multiple resets to various modules for the duration of the pw. Can the pw of END be shortened?
Worwell
Is it possible to do ties with the module?
Dark Barn
Yeah, max pulse width makes a tie.
Worwell
Dark Barn wrote:
Yeah, max pulse width makes a tie.


Great. Thank you. So if you had a CV channel linked to a channel with a tie, would the same note play across the tied gates?
Dark Barn
I think that's exactly what it's for. The other use would be skipping the need to program a note for a rest, so a longer decay or release won't reveal surprise notes. As far as I know it locks them in sequence length, so if you used CV link and programmed just short of 16 ties your CV sequence would only consist of one note, it does not advance to the second note in a sort of polyrhythmic way.
tthogs
Just got my V8+ today and am having a GREAT time. Such a fun and immediate module. I am however experiencing a problem with my Erica Black Wavetable VCO. When I feed it v/oct CV from the V8+ it sounds like it is being fm'd (warbly and slightly scrambled) but when i run the cv from the V8+ into a quantizer then into the Erica, it sounds clear and precise. Its all warbly coming directly from the V8+. I tried to buffer the CV and that didnt help. The same CV sounds perfectly fine when i use it with other VCOs in my system. Anyone else have this issue?
khiner
I was waffling back and forth between this and a Circadian Rhythm for a long time, but ended up settling on the V8+ for various reasons, one of which is that I already have and love the Voltage Block.

By far the biggest thing holding me back was that the V8+ has the trigger outs on the bottom of the module, rather than the top. WHY?!?!

Visually the choice is strange since these were designed to work with each other and to be right next to each other and they're flipped. Ergonomically if you have this in a bottom-row skiff, which I think is the common placement for a playable controller/sequencer, you've got to use longer cables and you've got to fish through your cables to get at the controls since they'll be going to modules above it. Otherwise, you can move it to a top row but then you'll want to move your VB as well, and you've got the same problem there hmmm.....

I would be all over this thing without looking back if it looked like this:



Anywho, I'm taking the plunge and I'm excited grin
khiner
Followup on my own post - because of the gate-out placement, I'm pretty sure I'll separate my VB and V8+ when I rack it, putting the V8+ on a near-top row and keeping the VB on my bottom skiff row, thus eliminating the link between them.

For those who have and use both, or have looked closely at how they share resources (preset saving is shared IIRC?), do you think I'll really be missing out if I just treat them as two separate modules and don't use the linking features? I know they share a clock, which is nbd to mult across them or use a different clock.
ben_hex
khiner you'll miss hitting save and it saving both and recalling both from the varigate.
GuyaGuy
ben_hex wrote:
khiner you'll miss hitting save and it saving both and recalling both from the varigate.

And slave mode.

I found the placement odd at first too but honestly after a while you'll probably forget about it. We've already got used to different makers putting jacks in different places--all on the bottom, vertical, whatever the hell Maths is doing, etc.--so it just takes a hot minute to get used to it and get on with wigglage.
khiner
GuyaGuy wrote:
ben_hex wrote:
khiner you'll miss hitting save and it saving both and recalling both from the varigate.

And slave mode.


Thanks!

GuyaGuy wrote:

I found the placement odd at first too but honestly after a while you'll probably forget about it. We've already got used to different makers putting jacks in different places--all on the bottom, vertical, whatever the hell Maths is doing, etc.--so it just takes a hot minute to get used to it and get on with wigglage.


Fair enough! I'm sure it really is one of those things that is easy to get caught up in conceptually when you're in planning mode and looking at ModularGrid, and not at much of an issue when you're actually playing.
Southfork
I think a bigger issue for me is the un-teathering of tracks even in master mode. Am I the only one that thinks varigate and voltage block should have more in common in slave/master mode than sharing a master clock and a save button?
GuyaGuy
Southfork wrote:
I think a bigger issue for me is the un-teathering of tracks even in master mode. Am I the only one that thinks varigate and voltage block should have more in common in slave/master mode than sharing a master clock and a save button?

That was just mentioned on the VB thread. I don't mind really. In fact it's made me second guess matching CV + gates on every step, prompting me to play around more with variations, e.g. skipping a gate and keeping the same pitch on that step for a natural decay, changing pitch on a step but not gate, etc. But if I want the standard tether it just take a minute to program.

FWIW the VB manual does mention gate via the bus, but I don't think I have a module that supports it to try it out.
Daisuk
khiner wrote:
Followup on my own post - because of the gate-out placement, I'm pretty sure I'll separate my VB and V8+ when I rack it, putting the V8+ on a near-top row and keeping the VB on my bottom skiff row, thus eliminating the link between them.

For those who have and use both, or have looked closely at how they share resources (preset saving is shared IIRC?), do you think I'll really be missing out if I just treat them as two separate modules and don't use the linking features? I know they share a clock, which is nbd to mult across them or use a different clock.


The link is really where the beauty is at with these two, in my opinion. I have the VB in the row above the v8, but both connected to the same bus board. smile
thomachine
I've read through this thread and the manual, but still haven't seen a clear description of what all the root sliders do. Are those for programming different rhythms per channel?
Dark Barn
The root slider selects the root note of the scale, those root +1-11 sliders turn on/off the intervals in the scale. Root +1 turns on/off the minor 2nd for example.
Daisuk
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/kneggkjeks[/s]
thelizard
What's the best way to report a lock-up? I'll just post this here for now while I can remember the process.

I had a strange crash with the V8+ and VB tonight. VB was in CLK mode. I plugged one of the V8+ outputs (GATE 3, I think) into the CLK input, and went to reset the VB from the V8+'s END output. I had a brain fart and connected the RST input on the V8+ to the RST input on the VB.

I pushed the Gate 3 button and noticed that it didn't respond. At that point I realized the cabling mistake I made. I fixed the cabling, and then pushed a few GATE buttons to try to get the V8+ to respond. Oddly, a few of the channels were still firing. The unit was just not responding to button presses.

When I restarted my system, the Gate channels that I had pressed were completely cleared. My other channels were just fine. Did I somehow accidentally enter a pattern deletion mode (independent of holding the CLEAR button)?
khiner
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/kneggkjeks[/s]


Fantastic track!
tFunk
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.


That is a very good track. What modules did you used for pads & glitchy percussions?
Daisuk
khiner wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/kneggkjeks[/s]


Fantastic track!



tFunk wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.


That is a very good track. What modules did you used for pads & glitchy percussions?


Thanks, guys! smile Pads are from the Flame 4Vox processed through various filters and effects. The glitchy perc is from a modulated Sara filter in hi-pass mode, as well as Bitbox, Pico Drum and few other things. Here's a picture of the patch, if that helps (kind of hard to make sense of it though, I guess):

http://i.imgur.com/HjfusiP.jpg
moofi
Like that smoove bouncy beat thumbs up

Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/kneggkjeks[/s]
Carrousel
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/kneggkjeks[/s]


Really beautiful sounds / atmosphere in this. Brilliant work!
Daisuk
Thanks, guys. smile It's strange listening back to it now - as it sometimes is with recordings. I had this idea of how it sounded, turned it on again today, and it's pretty different from what I thought it was. Immediately I was thinking "what the hell is going on here?", but having let it play for a bit, and it's coming back, hehehe.
Cortega
Daisuk wrote:
Thanks, guys. smile It's strange listening back to it now - as it sometimes is with recordings. I had this idea of how it sounded, turned it on again today, and it's pretty different from what I thought it was. Immediately I was thinking "what the hell is going on here?", but having let it play for a bit, and it's coming back, hehehe.




(-; i know that feeling....the strange feelings i had with the realtime recordings i did are worth to write a book about...sometimes its like the recordings became her own life like an evolving Chimera...
dubonaire
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

kneggkjeks


Very nice track!
Carrousel
Cortega wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Thanks, guys. smile It's strange listening back to it now - as it sometimes is with recordings. I had this idea of how it sounded, turned it on again today, and it's pretty different from what I thought it was. Immediately I was thinking "what the hell is going on here?", but having let it play for a bit, and it's coming back, hehehe.




(-; i know that feeling....the strange feelings i had with the realtime recordings i did are worth to write a book about...sometimes its like the recordings became her own life like an evolving Chimera...


Yeah I know what you guys mean there. Psychoacoustics are some crazy shit and the human brain is a daft place
Daisuk
dubonaire wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Haven't made any music in ages (been finished shitloads of old tracks), so glad to finally have recorded a new little thing. Varigate 8 and Voltage Block at the center of this little glitchy "jazzy" (I use that word very lightly) sort of thing.

kneggkjeks


Very nice track!


Thanks! smile

Raven_Martin wrote:
Cortega wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Thanks, guys. smile It's strange listening back to it now - as it sometimes is with recordings. I had this idea of how it sounded, turned it on again today, and it's pretty different from what I thought it was. Immediately I was thinking "what the hell is going on here?", but having let it play for a bit, and it's coming back, hehehe.


(-; i know that feeling....the strange feelings i had with the realtime recordings i did are worth to write a book about...sometimes its like the recordings became her own life like an evolving Chimera...


Yeah I know what you guys mean there. Psychoacoustics are some crazy shit and the human brain is a daft place


Indeed. I have hundreds of recordings of different sessions I've done over the years, and re-visit some of them from time to time to get a glimpse into what I was doing some time back. It often strikes me "what the hell was I thinking with this? what made me record this?". Often I just need to force myself to listen to it for a while, and I'll figure it out, but also more often than not, a few things with the recording will really bug me, that apparently didn't bug me when I recorded it in the first place.

But yeah, music, listening, our perception of sound and music, it's an odd topic, and very fascinating. How much of your perception of a piece of music is based on your preconceptions of it, for instance? If you have too many hooks or familiarities, so to speak, it seems easier to deem it as dull (at least for me), yet if there are too many strange or displeasing elements in it, that's not good either (I can for instance appreciate the technicality and some of the sounds of Morton Subotnick's Silver Apples, for instance, but I don't think I could ever subject myself to listen through the entire thing, it's just too tiresome).

Anyway, that's another discussion, I guess. But interesting none the less. smile
Quasi
geetee wrote:
giftculture wrote:
So there is some behavior that is puzzling to me re: V8+ and VB in slave mode.

If I hit play on the V8+ with the Voltage Block in slave mode (with nothing in clk/cv on the voltage block) , everything syncs up. If I hit stop and then play on the V8+, the Voltage Block and the V8+ both reset and start over from beat 1. So far, so good.

However, let's say I want to clock the V8+ externally. If the V8+ isn't in play mode, and I send it a clock, nothing happens. If I put it in play mode, it starts at whatever tempo it is set to. If I send it an external clock, it synchs up no problem. I can speed up and slow down the external clock and the VB and V8+ follow. If I stop the clock, however, the V8+ stops advancing, but the Voltage Block keeps advancing and the clock out of the V8+ keeps ticking.

This behavior is unexpected. I would expect when sending the v8+ clock that if I stop sending it clock, the v8+ would stop advancing, but also, the v8+ clock out would stop, along with the Voltage Block.

I can work around it by hitting play and then stop on the v8+, and then sending a reset pulse to the VB and to the V8+. When I do that and then hit play on the external clock, everything starts as usual, it just seems a bit fiddly


I just got the voltage block and had same problem when syncing to external clock.

my workaround is patching the "end" output on the V8+ to the reset input on the voltage block. works like a charm, but one would think that it shouldn't be necessary.


I've got the same issue. I'm totally new to sequencers in eurorack so this could all be user error but..... There's a 50/50 chance when I press play on the VG8 that it and the VB will be out of sync. I can either keep hitting stop/start or send the VB the END gate but either way it doesn't seem like the intended behavior. I updated the firmware without issue and recalibrate the module twice to no avail.

I also have the same issue when I stop the external clock going to the VG8 the VB keeps ticking away and is always out of sync when I restart the clock. Is this normal and something to get used to with sequencers?

Any advice would be helpful smile
Dave77
Varigate trigger Bass Drum(jomox modbase 09) and Glitch( folktek matter)
Carrousel
Got inspired after a trip to Panorama bar to make some absolute filth and the V8 came in very handy. It sequences all the modular parts in this which are a Dixicon pair, Shapeshifter and Rainmaker.

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general elektrick
Raven_Martin wrote:
Got inspired after a trip to Panorama bar to make some absolute filth and the V8 came in very handy. It sequences all the modular parts in this which are a Dixicon pair, Shapeshifter and Rainmaker.

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Nice one! Thanks for sharing.
Worwell
Raven_Martin wrote:
Got inspired after a trip to Panorama bar to make some absolute filth and the V8 came in very handy. It sequences all the modular parts in this which are a Dixicon pair, Shapeshifter and Rainmaker.

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Excellent.
neilmcm1975
Raven_Martin wrote:
Got inspired after a trip to Panorama bar to make some absolute filth and the V8 came in very handy. It sequences all the modular parts in this which are a Dixicon pair, Shapeshifter and Rainmaker.

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Superb great track
dysonant
Raven_Martin wrote:
... It sequences all the modular parts in this which are a Dixicon pair, Shapeshifter and Rainmaker.


This sounds excellent. Curiously, does this mean there are parts that are not modular? If yes, which parts are being sequenced by the V8+?
Carrousel
Cheers very much for the kind words lads. I feel I need to get out more, its very inspiring!

The parts that are non-modular are really just the non-tonal hard percussive parts; so the bass drum, hats, clap and snares (these come from a RYTM and a TR-8). The bass line, the soft rhythmic congas in from the start and the chord stabs are all modular. Bass is Dixicon, congas are Rainmaker (derived from the bass line) and the chord stabs are the Shapeshifter. The only other part is the robe-vocals and these are just a french spoken word vocal pitched down and robotised with an ableton beat-repeat effect (cheap I know haha). When in crazy big clubs with great sound systems I always hear unintelligible vocals working their way into the groove, even when there aren't any, so just wanted to bang something in to allude to that.

On a related note: has anyone else been to Bargain or Panorama bar? I couldn't recommend it enough. The sound system ain't all that but the quality of the DJs and the vibe from the crazy crowd more than make up for it. Plus the crazy licensing hours.....
venus_3036
haha the terrible sound system in panorama bar!
stripes
I am getting a Varigate 8 for it's ability to make really weird and organic sounding, almost arhythmic seuqences. It was seeing what r beny did with it on his instagram and youtube videos that convinced me of it. I am just not understanding exactly what people are using the voltage block for. The Varigate is going in my 6U system with the O_C in there as well, so having the two quantized CV from Varigate and the 4 from O_C feels like enough... and I use quantization everywhere. Is the addition of the Block more for a larger system? Can anyone give me a patch example where all 8 of those CV outputs would be used when paired with the Varigate?
wavedepletion
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Carrousel
venus_3036 wrote:
haha the terrible sound system in panorama bar!


Yeah but it has a really sweet 'thwack' to it which really suits the crowd and the way people dance. Although sound systems in places like Fabric and Amnesia are a lot better I would still say I had the best clubbing experience in Panorama. Next level.

Edit: I also wanted to capture that dirty vibe in the track I posted...
GuyaGuy
wavedepletion wrote:
stripes wrote:
I am just not understanding exactly what people are using the voltage block for. The Varigate is going in my 6U system with the O_C in there as well, so having the two quantized CV from Varigate and the 4 from O_C feels like enough... and I use quantization everywhere. Is the addition of the Block more for a larger system? Can anyone give me a patch example where all 8 of those CV outputs would be used when paired with the Varigate?


While the V8+ is (mostly) geared towards gate sequencing, the VB is for recording and sequencing CV. Besides pitch, you could use it to modulate things at certain points in your sequence.

Yep, I use it mostly for modulation, e.g. pseudo-EG controlling filter cutoff or wavefolder CV, stepped accents, a "hand-drawn" LFO, gradual modulation of an EG's release, control of a VCA amount for subtle variations in modulation, etc. You can also plug into a jack without anything being sequenced and just ride the slider manually too. And you can control the V8+'s clock with a sequence.
thelizard
GuyaGuy wrote:
wavedepletion wrote:
stripes wrote:
I am just not understanding exactly what people are using the voltage block for. The Varigate is going in my 6U system with the O_C in there as well, so having the two quantized CV from Varigate and the 4 from O_C feels like enough... and I use quantization everywhere. Is the addition of the Block more for a larger system? Can anyone give me a patch example where all 8 of those CV outputs would be used when paired with the Varigate?


While the V8+ is (mostly) geared towards gate sequencing, the VB is for recording and sequencing CV. Besides pitch, you could use it to modulate things at certain points in your sequence.

Yep, I use it mostly for modulation, e.g. pseudo-EG controlling filter cutoff or wavefolder CV, stepped accents, a "hand-drawn" LFO, gradual modulation of an EG's release, control of a VCA amount for subtle variations in modulation, etc. You can also plug into a jack without anything being sequenced and just ride the slider manually too. And you can control the V8+'s clock with a sequence.


This is the video that sold me on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-RKNPCIiw

When I'm not clocking it, it is frequently used as a straight-up offset generator for O+C, Temps Utile, and ER-301, as those modules have a bunch of CV inputs without dedicated knobs or attenuators.
vibralux
Jeeez - I want that combo so baaaad. Soon... Rockin' Banana!
atrostor
Someone asked this on Page 6 or so but I couldn't find an answer to it and the manual doesn't appear to address this either: what's the slider pick up behavior when switching between parameters that are not set to the same value but are controlled by the same slider?
chapelier fou
atrostor wrote:
Someone asked this on Page 6 or so but I couldn't find an answer to it and the manual doesn't appear to address this either: what's the slider pick up behavior when switching between parameters that are not set to the same value but are controlled by the same slider?

Parameter jump.
bendedavis
atrostor wrote:
Someone asked this on Page 6 or so but I couldn't find an answer to it and the manual doesn't appear to address this either: what's the slider pick up behavior when switching between parameters that are not set to the same value but are controlled by the same slider?


There is some scaling between the stored parameter and where the slider is physically set. If the stored setting for repeats is 0 and the slider is about half way the slider will be scaled from 0-16 for the top half of the slider until both values match then it's 1 for 1 with what you are seeing.
chapelier fou
My mistake.
candlescandal
Is there a way to create a song using presets from multiple banks?
candlescandal
Anybody?
windsongstudio
Candlescandal - I tried to hold SONG, select a few presets (from current bank), then (whilst still holding SONG) pressed and held BANK, selected a different bank, selected presets from that bank (still holding SONG), then released SONG. Could not get it to work. Seemed like the only way to execute it (if supported) given what I read in the manual. Is that what you tried?
candlescandal
windsongstudio, yes I tried that method. It seems like changing banks while holding the song button would be the natural way to do this. It would be great if this were possible because then you'd be able to program songs with scale changes (since scales for a fixed CV channel can't be changed within a single bank).

bendedavis, would it be possible to implement songs made up of presents from multiple banks?
reodjectz
Anybody else about to rip out the 'song' button?

Multiple times I've gone to press the track button and end up triggering the stored song... which jumps to whatever saved preset is in the song - and I loose the preset I was trying to edit. Truly sucks.

Also - is there way (other than switching banks) to make the 'recalled preset' stop blinking? my eyes!
chapelier fou
Anyone with Voltage Block ?

Can you confirm that, in slave mode, when you hit a step button, hold it and hit LENGTH, the VB freezes ?

(Already posted in the VB topic, but this one seems more active)

EDIT : pretty much any hold step + function button makes it crash.
Is my firmware outdated ?
Daisuk
chapelier fou wrote:
Anyone with Voltage Block ?

Can you confirm that, in slave mode, when you hit a step button, hold it and hit LENGTH, the VB freezes ?

(Already posted in the VB topic, but this one seems more active)

EDIT : pretty much any hold step + function button makes it crash.
Is my firmware outdated ?


I sold my V8, so can't check in slave mode, but it works fine in clock mode. Question is - why would you want to hold down a step button an press length? You don't need to hold down any buttons to use any of the functions (just to adjust sliders for particular steps), as far as I'm aware.

If you want to apply smoothing for instance, press shift, press the channel you want to apply shift to, then press the steps you want smoothing applied to. No holding of buttons needed. But maybe I read you wrong or use the VB differently than you. smile
chapelier fou
Daisuk wrote:
[ Question is - why would you want to hold down a step button an press length? You don't need to hold down any buttons to use any of the functions (just to adjust sliders for particular steps), as far as I'm aware.

User error of course ! razz

But it appears that it happens quite a lot. i play a lot with track length in live and somehow this combo falls down my fingers quite often...
chapelier fou
2 another annoying things i witness :
- my V8 plays always faster than before when i switch it off then on.
- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized outputs.
Daisuk
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :
- my V8 plays always faster than before when i switch it off then on.
- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized outputs.


Yeah, the second there became a big annoyance for me as well. It very often sort of skips between two values, not what you'd want in a performance. Dialling in intentional melodies just ... yeah, I don't know, not very easy.

I always slaved it to a clock generator (Trigger Riot), as I experienced the same as you sometimes. It plays a lot more stable when slaved, I found.

It's a cool module, by all means, but it has its quirks and odd behaviours. I also find the implementation of the freeze function very odd. If you hold down the recall button for 2 seconds, it will enter freeze, but say you have a preset playing, and want to switch it, you often end up holding the recall button to get the switch in time (as the machine switches immediately), but if you then use a second too long to time the switch, you enter freeze mode instead. Really annoying.

Don't get me started on song mode, haha.

Don't get me wrong. It's a very powerful module, it's just designed a bit strange, in my opinion.
chapelier fou
Daisuk wrote:
it's just designed a bit strange, in my opinion.


It's still quite new to me, so i'd say that, for now, i'm quite impressed despite the quirks.
I can't really explaining why, but when i realized it's based on Teensy, i got a bit frightened.
Still, amazing concept and complexity.
wildfrontiers
Does anyone know what kind of buttons/switches the Varigate 8+ uses? While traveling, one of the white buttons fell out and it must have fallen out of my case as I couldn't find it. Another button fell out and I was able to snap it back into place. I would really like to order a replacement ASAP :( Any help would be much appreciated!

The melodic capabilities of the Varigate are quite awesome. I love setting a little probability/random on certain steps for evolving sequences. And of course being able to freeze all random is beautiful. Being able to set the quantinization really helps. I'm still getting used to some of the advanced features, such a great sequencer.
metaBit
thelizard wrote:

This is the video that sold me on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-RKNPCIiw


Same.

I've wanted this kind of CV recording since I started wiggling. I only have two arms, but this augments me to have an extra 8. Can't wait for mine to arrive.
Daisuk
chapelier fou wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
it's just designed a bit strange, in my opinion.


It's still quite new to me, so i'd say that, for now, i'm quite impressed despite the quirks.
I can't really explaining why, but when i realized it's based on Teensy, i got a bit frightened.
Still, amazing concept and complexity.


Its really powerful allright. Lots of excellent examples of people making some really good stuff with it in this thread. smile Keep it coming, folks. smile
gonkulator
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :

- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized outputs.


The VB does this as well. The same behavior I get at times with my quantizers. But I haven't noticed it ever on any quantized output on any other sequencer I have (or had): Rene, Metropolis, SH 2, (Seq 1)
chapelier fou
gonkulator wrote:
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :

- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized outputs.


The VB does this as well. The same behavior I get at times with my quantizers. But I haven't noticed it ever on any quantized output on any other sequencer I have (or had): Rene, Metropolis, SH 2, (Seq 1)


To be fair, my René does this as well. And this is why i don't use it so much when precision matters. René quantized output is even worse, with the bug that messes up the order of the first notes.
gonkulator
chapelier fou wrote:
gonkulator wrote:
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :

- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized outputs.


The VB does this as well. The same behavior I get at times with my quantizers. But I haven't noticed it ever on any quantized output on any other sequencer I have (or had): Rene, Metropolis, SH 2, (Seq 1)


To be fair, my René does this as well. And this is why i don't use it so much when precision matters. René quantized output is even worse, with the bug that messes up the order of the first notes.


Wow, I've not noticed it. Guess I need to listen closer
fourhexagons
Hey, would some kind Wigglers be interested in measuring their VG8+ CV1 & CV2 voltage outputs (with a voltmeter)?

For those into it, here's a 'worksheet' to complete:

CV1

C0 (0V) =
C1 (1V) =
C2 (2V) =
C3 (3V) =
C4 (4V) =
C5 (5V) =

CV2

C0 (0V) =
C1 (1V) =
C2 (2V) =
C3 (3V) =
C4 (4V) =
C5 (5V) =

Thanks in advance!
Montgomery Word
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :

- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized output.


i like this. i was just thinking it today when i was deciding which track to tie my cv to. i could listen through each with the slider, and then hang between two values for weird stuff. just takes a little more precise movement to avoid.

what i do wish, however, is that i could tie all 8 VB cv's to all 8 tracks of the V8+. i'm gonna go read the manual again.
Southfork
Montgomery Word wrote:
chapelier fou wrote:
2 another annoying things i witness :

- sometimes the sliders lie between two values, causing inconsistencies in the result : particularly on CV tracks with quantized output.


i like this. i was just thinking it today when i was deciding which track to tie my cv to. i could listen through each with the slider, and then hang between two values for weird stuff. just takes a little more precise movement to avoid.

what i do wish, however, is that i could tie all 8 VB cv's to all 8 tracks of the V8+. i'm gonna go read the manual again.


This was the reason I got rid of my VB. Slaving it the vg8 didn't really slave it, wasted opportunity imo.
bemushroomed
How do i set trigger length (pulse width) on the varigate 8+?

The manual is no longer available anywhere it seems confused
Carrousel
It's the setting called PW, as in pulse width. Press that then set the value with the sliders. You can also hold the prob button and press PW whereupon PW will flash and you can then set the theoretical maximum random value of pulse width for that step (with the value you set with it not flashing being the minimum available pulse width). PW can then vary randomly, per step, within the set limits. Same can be done for repeats and delays.
bemushroomed
Ah, totally missed "PW" when i looked at the settings. Many thanks!
matttech
bemushroomed wrote:
How do i set trigger length (pulse width) on the varigate 8+?

The manual is no longer available anywhere it seems confused


https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/content/uploads/2016/10/malekko-varig ate8-manualv.1.1.pdf

thumbs up
Carrousel
The big V8 sequences 2 of the 3 bass lines in this moody groover, along with the Clouded synth part which stutters away at the top and the Rainmaker percussion.

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Incidentally I second the comments about the sliders jumping between two adjacent values. However, I have found moving the slider all the way left before selecting a new value does seem to minimise this problem, on my unit at least.
Montgomery Word
Southfork wrote:

This was the reason I got rid of my VB. Slaving it the vg8 didn't really slave it, wasted opportunity imo.


even without this, i do so many amazing things with the VB i could never do without it. Polyrhythms in the form of cv, basically having 8 metropolis's next to the dopest trigger/gate sequencer, with another two insane CV sequencers that are totally different than the VB!
bemushroomed
matttech wrote:
bemushroomed wrote:
How do i set trigger length (pulse width) on the varigate 8+?

The manual is no longer available anywhere it seems confused


https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/content/uploads/2016/10/malekko-varig ate8-manualv.1.1.pdf

thumbs up


Thanks. Google came up with "404"'s for all the links.
bemushroomed
Montgomery Word wrote:
Southfork wrote:

This was the reason I got rid of my VB. Slaving it the vg8 didn't really slave it, wasted opportunity imo.


even without this, i do so many amazing things with the VB i could never do without it. Polyrhythms in the form of cv, basically having 8 metropolis's next to the dopest trigger/gate sequencer, with another two insane CV sequencers that are totally different than the VB!


+1. I could be without the VG8+, but no way the VB, it's probably the most uselful module i have, especially so for precise CV control, which is important for a lot of things. The Elektron-kind-of setup is incredible.. I'd say its the module that has done the most dramatic changes for me for eurorack. I can easily see myself buying at least one more.
aroom
I'm thinking about getting the combo VB and VG8+


does it make sense to think it would easily replace my tempi and rené ?


I'm also a bit afraid that this combo being so productive, it will destroy some romantic aspect about my current system.

does anyone experienced this ?
Carrousel
I moved from Rene plus Tempi to just the varigate 8, haven't even got the voltage block yet. In no way do I regret my decision. Although happy accidents abound with Rene (especially with Tempi driving it) I found it almost impossible to recreate something in my head, or even get the Rene to be consistent with itself across different sessions.

The varigate by contrast gives you ruthless control over every single one of it's outputs. Its a much more deliberate way of working. Completely different though. I would add that if you enjoy the feeling of 'collaborating' with Rene then you may miss that when working with the V8.
aroom
Raven_Martin

thanks for your input. what do you mean by
Quote:
the feeling of 'collaborating' with Rene
?
ignatius
aroom wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the combo VB and VG8+


does it make sense to think it would easily replace my tempi and rené ?


I'm also a bit afraid that this combo being so productive, it will destroy some romantic aspect about my current system.

does anyone experienced this ?


it took me a bit to figure out how to not use them in a straight up sequencer like way.. they're both functionally deep and w/lot's of programmability. i had to remember they're just generating gates and CV and i can manipulate those things in same way i do other gates and CV etc. it's easy to fall into using a sequencer like a sequencer and programming it like a drum machine. "here's the kick, here's the snare.. " etc.. so once i sort of wrapped my head around that i'm more comfortable with them. they're really quite amazing. the random stuff in the Vgate8+ is just so good.

saving sequences is great. i can turn off the modular at the end of the night and when i turn it back on the next day my patch is all still there.

jamming with it is awesome. you can tap the buttons to play in patterns... i like that.. i like the track functions too.. easy to switch up sequences and make evolving things.. add a sequential switch and patterns just open up even more.. rotating shifting weirdness and straight up funky jams.

i've been recording a lot since i got the VB VGate8_ combo. there's just so much flexibility and weird things to try. i've been really inspired by the set up.
Carrousel
aroom wrote:
Raven_Martin

thanks for your input. what do you mean by
Quote:
the feeling of 'collaborating' with Rene
?


I guess i'm referring to the fact that it's very difficult to predict the outcome when programming a Rene. Especially when you start working with 4 clock inputs and employing the various logic settings.

You can usually get a feel for how something will change (like using logic OR will result in more notes sounding, but AND will result in fewer) but really you just have to suck it and see. This makes it feel like the Rene is working with you to produce music; quite cool really.
Carrousel
ignatius wrote:
aroom wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the combo VB and VG8+


does it make sense to think it would easily replace my tempi and rené ?


I'm also a bit afraid that this combo being so productive, it will destroy some romantic aspect about my current system.

does anyone experienced this ?


it took me a bit to figure out how to not use them in a straight up sequencer like way.. they're both functionally deep and w/lot's of programmability. i had to remember they're just generating gates and CV and i can manipulate those things in same way i do other gates and CV etc. it's easy to fall into using a sequencer like a sequencer and programming it like a drum machine. "here's the kick, here's the snare.. " etc.. so once i sort of wrapped my head around that i'm more comfortable with them. they're really quite amazing. the random stuff in the Vgate8+ is just so good.

saving sequences is great. i can turn off the modular at the end of the night and when i turn it back on the next day my patch is all still there.

jamming with it is awesome. you can tap the buttons to play in patterns... i like that.. i like the track functions too.. easy to switch up sequences and make evolving things.. add a sequential switch and patterns just open up even more.. rotating shifting weirdness and straight up funky jams.

i've been recording a lot since i got the VB VGate8_ combo. there's just so much flexibility and weird things to try. i've been really inspired by the set up.


I second all of this. It's definitely helpful to view it as 8 highly customisable gate streams and 2 equally customisable CV channels, where these can be combined or not in various ways; rather than a standard step-sequencer.
aroom
thanks guys
chapelier fou
ignatius wrote:
you can tap the buttons to play in patterns... i like that..

i totally overlooked this ! Must be way better and way liver.
wildfrontiers
Anyone?? hmmm.....

wildfrontiers wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of buttons/switches the Varigate 8+ uses? While traveling, one of the white buttons fell out and it must have fallen out of my case as I couldn't find it. Another button fell out and I was able to snap it back into place. I would really like to order a replacement ASAP :( Any help would be much appreciated!

tFunk
wildfrontiers wrote:
Anyone?? hmmm.....

wildfrontiers wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of buttons/switches the Varigate 8+ uses? While traveling, one of the white buttons fell out and it must have fallen out of my case as I couldn't find it. Another button fell out and I was able to snap it back into place. I would really like to order a replacement ASAP :( Any help would be much appreciated!



Have you already tried emailing Malekko directly? Maybe they have some spare ones laying around they can send to you.
wildfrontiers
tFunk wrote:
wildfrontiers wrote:
Anyone?? hmmm.....

wildfrontiers wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of buttons/switches the Varigate 8+ uses? While traveling, one of the white buttons fell out and it must have fallen out of my case as I couldn't find it. Another button fell out and I was able to snap it back into place. I would really like to order a replacement ASAP :( Any help would be much appreciated!



Have you already tried emailing Malekko directly? Maybe they have some spare ones laying around they can send to you.


SOLVED! At the time of my posts, their site was down (at least it was for me, I'm travelling). . I did contact the guys on Facebook too. They took care of me.

Would also be interested in fourhexagons' query. I'm hoping to measure the output volts this evening or the next.
fourhexagons
wildfrontiers wrote:
Would also be interested in fourhexagons' query. I'm hoping to measure the output volts this evening or the next.

Thank you ~
mayyammay
Quick question.

I am confused about all of the movement happening with the sliders in the tutorial videos. It is my understanding that the sliders set a specific parameter. In all of the tutorials there is a lot of sliding back and forth (left to right, etc). Is that because the user is "erasing" the previously set parameter before setting a new value? Or is the actual movement of the slider being recorded?

Thanks and sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere.
GuyaGuy
Took a while but I finished my first Varigate 8+ song! It's mostly Varigate 8+ with a bit of PEK and Sub37. Oh and vox. The first minute is nothing but one take of a Varigate + the Rytm.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/guyaguy/city-lives[/s]
bemushroomed
mayyammay wrote:
Quick question.

I am confused about all of the movement happening with the sliders in the tutorial videos. It is my understanding that the sliders set a specific parameter. In all of the tutorials there is a lot of sliding back and forth (left to right, etc). Is that because the user is "erasing" the previously set parameter before setting a new value? Or is the actual movement of the slider being recorded?

Thanks and sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere.


yes, all the way to the left = no trigger, halfway 50% chance, all the way right 100% trigger.
wigwig
No, the movement is not being recorded.
Yes, often it is 'erasing':
because the position of the slider doesn't correspond to the setting for any but the most recently set parameter, you have to move the slider to 'clear' the setting.

mayyammay wrote:
Quick question.

I am confused about all of the movement happening with the sliders in the tutorial videos. It is my understanding that the sliders set a specific parameter. In all of the tutorials there is a lot of sliding back and forth (left to right, etc). Is that because the user is "erasing" the previously set parameter before setting a new value? Or is the actual movement of the slider being recorded?

Thanks and sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere.
mayyammay
wigwig wrote:
No, the movement is not being recorded.
Yes, often it is 'erasing':
because the position of the slider doesn't correspond to the setting for any but the most recently set parameter, you have to move the slider to 'clear' the setting.

mayyammay wrote:
Quick question.

I am confused about all of the movement happening with the sliders in the tutorial videos. It is my understanding that the sliders set a specific parameter. In all of the tutorials there is a lot of sliding back and forth (left to right, etc). Is that because the user is "erasing" the previously set parameter before setting a new value? Or is the actual movement of the slider being recorded?

Thanks and sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere.


That's what I thought, but then I started to wonder... Thanks for the clarification.

Also, can you achieve long gates using PW adjustment? If so, how long is long? smile
chapelier fou
Took some time to make the measures on my voltmeter :

fourhexagons wrote:
Hey, would some kind Wigglers be interested in measuring their VG8+ CV1 & CV2 voltage outputs (with a voltmeter)?

For those into it, here's a 'worksheet' to complete:

CV1

C0 (0V) = 0.00
C1 (1V) = 0.99
C2 (2V) = 1.98
C3 (3V) = 2.98
C4 (4V) = 3.98
C5 (5V) = 4.97

CV2

C0 (0V) = 0.00
C1 (1V) = 0.99
C2 (2V) = 1.99
C3 (3V) = 2.98
C4 (4V) = 3.97
C5 (5V) = 4.97

Thanks in advance!
fourhexagons
chapelier fou wrote:
Took some time to make the measures on my voltmeter

Thanks, chapelier fou! All info is helpful, however, I had forgotten to state that a resolution of 0.001v (or more decimal places) is preferred if you've got the tools to measure such a resolution.
SB-SIX
chapelier fou wrote:
Took some time to make the measures on my voltmeter :

fourhexagons wrote:
Hey, would some kind Wigglers be interested in measuring their VG8+ CV1 & CV2 voltage outputs (with a voltmeter)?

For those into it, here's a 'worksheet' to complete:

CV1

C0 (0V) = 0.00
C1 (1V) = 0.99
C2 (2V) = 1.98
C3 (3V) = 2.98
C4 (4V) = 3.98
C5 (5V) = 4.97

CV2

C0 (0V) = 0.00
C1 (1V) = 0.99
C2 (2V) = 1.99
C3 (3V) = 2.98
C4 (4V) = 3.97
C5 (5V) = 4.97

Thanks in advance!


Thanks for this. So it's about a quarter semitone flat when using it on melodies in the highest octave. I've sent an email to malekko to see if this can be calibrated. I did notice it on melodies when used along other sequencers.
chapelier fou
My voltmeter is probably not the best one, it's digital and has a "resolution" of 0.01V. Can't do better, sorry !
petersandbach
Just starting to get to grips with the basic settings of the 8+. I'm using it with the Stepper Acid for basslines and the Brainseed for a bit more appropriately pitched randomness.

Listen to Don't Speak by Sarmism #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/sarmism/dont-speak


The video...
SB-SIX
I've asked support if there was an option to calibrate the units, and its really simple. There are trimpots on the back. To calibrate cv1, set the sliders all the way down and turn the cv1 pot until its zero. Then sliders all the way to the right, turn the "scale" trimpot until you hit 5v. I've actually done it without a voltmeter but with a tuner. Most likely not the best way but everyting sounds perfectly in tune now.
Worwell
petersandbach wrote:
Just starting to get to grips with the basic settings of the 8+. I'm using it with the Stepper Acid for basslines and the Brainseed for a bit more appropriately pitched randomness.

Listen to Don't Speak by Sarmism #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/sarmism/dont-speak


The video...


Nice one. Looks like you have a pretty good handle on the module.
Carrousel
Couple of dirty bass lines and some Rainmaker squiggles sequenced via the Varigate in this tough funk job.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/321096612" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
geetee
That's ace nanners
fourhexagons
SB-SIX wrote:
I've asked support if there was an option to calibrate the units, and its really simple. There are trimpots on the back. To calibrate cv1, set the sliders all the way down and turn the cv1 pot until its zero. Then sliders all the way to the right, turn the "scale" trimpot until you hit 5v. I've actually done it without a voltmeter but with a tuner. Most likely not the best way but everyting sounds perfectly in tune now.

Oh, that's great. I had calibrated mine and also gonner's, and his turned out pretty nicely:

All Measurements in V

CV1
0
0.996
1.999
3.001
4
5

CV2
0
0.998
2
3.001
4.002
5

Mine was a little more off in that there was a bit more of a droop in the first two octaves on CV1. Notice that his has a little droop there too. Might be something about all VG8+'s for all I know. I'm curious if anyone else has seen this, but understand that you're going to need at least 3 decimals of resolution.

CV1
0
0.992
1.995
2.997
3.998
5

CV2
0
1.002
2.003
3.002
4.002
5

Ultimately, I didn't really gel with the UI and decided to not keep it and to explore other sequencing options, namely Monome. But I will say that the per-step gate delay of the Varigate series is freaking amazing. I'll have to work out some other way of achieving that with my current setup. If anyone has any tips, hit me up.
SB-SIX
Get a varigate 4 maybe? It has the delay. You'll miss the per step pw though, and only 8 steps of course
fourhexagons
SB-SIX wrote:
Get a varigate 4 maybe? It has the delay. You'll miss the per step pw though, and only 8 steps of course

Yeah, that's one of my considerations. I really want more than 4 steps, though confused
petersandbach
Worwell wrote:
petersandbach wrote:
Just starting to get to grips with the basic settings of the 8+. I'm using it with the Stepper Acid for basslines and the Brainseed for a bit more appropriately pitched randomness.

Listen to Don't Speak by Sarmism #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/sarmism/dont-speak


The video...


Nice one. Looks like you have a pretty good handle on the module.


Thanks! So much to learn....
petersandbach
Raven_Martin wrote:
Couple of dirty bass lines and some Rainmaker squiggles sequenced via the Varigate in this tough funk job.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/321096612" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" theheight="450" iframe="true" /]


Really nice!
DeWalta
i am a fairly new user of the Varigate 8+. loved the Varigate 4 already, but Varigate 8+ together with the Voltage Block is killer.

however i am experiencing issues with shuffled incoming clocks. I use the E-RM multiclock to tightly clock all my sequencers. unfortunately the Varigate and especially the Voltage Block don't seem to like shuffle or swing very much...

Is anybody else experiencing the same?

if the Varigate and Voltage Block can not be synced to a shuffled clock, how can i shuffle them internally?
tFunk
DeWalta wrote:
if the Varigate and Voltage Block can not be synced to a shuffled clock, how can i shuffle them internally?


Unfortunately there's no easy way to program global swing amount on the VG8+ , but you can program it by setting per-step trigger delays with the DLY parameter.
DeWalta
tFunk wrote:
DeWalta wrote:
if the Varigate and Voltage Block can not be synced to a shuffled clock, how can i shuffle them internally?


Unfortunately there's no easy way to program global swing amount on the VG8+ , but you can program it by setting per-step trigger delays with the DLY parameter.


oufff... programming another shuffle in each sequencer, ontop of other, already shuffling beats and parts of a song can end up with a terrible feel / sync issues. I like my swing to be global. Obviously it´d be important to have the same amount of shuffle (best case scenario the same source of shuffle = one shuffled clock, clocking all other sequencers etc).

No way to get Varigate and Voltage Block to be tight when the clock is shuffled? Malekko, can you help maybe?
reodjectz
This is a question that will turn into a feature request if the answer is "no":

Is there a way to set a parameter for all steps of a sequences? Such as changing the PW for all steps at once? If not - perhaps you could hold the 'All/bank' wile moving a slider?
bendedavis
reodjectz wrote:
This is a question that will turn into a feature request if the answer is "no":

Is there a way to set a parameter for all steps of a sequences? Such as changing the PW for all steps at once? If not - perhaps you could hold the 'All/bank' wile moving a slider?


Yes, this is exactly how it is done. Hold Bank/All while adjusting any slider and it applies it to all steps.
encrust
My apologies if this has been asked before - I can't obviously find discussion.

I'd like to be able to influence the playback of Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block from other modules. For example to be able to do the equivalent of holding one of the VB buttons for a stutter/glitch in a rhythm loop. Or to advance to the next preset. It appears that once VB is in slave mode, the only "controls" for the pair are clock, reset and random/freeze.

Would it be possible to (say) make the CLK/CV input on the VB allow forcing to a particular sequence step? E.g. 0v = don't do anything, 0.1v = Step1 ... 1.6v = Step16? Or allow preset selection using the same input?

At present I'm looking at adding DIY circuitry to allow pressing of the buttons using gate inputs, but this isn't very desirable...

Thank you
aroom
would it be possible in a firmware update to export envelop or other signal, ala pamela new workout?
simond4zed
Hey guys!

I'm trying to sync Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block with an external clock, but Voltage Block doesn't reset.

V8+ and VB are connected to the same bus and VB is in 'slave-mode'. I'm sending clock and reset from Pamela's New Workout.

The only way I can get it to run perfectly when externally sync'ed from Pam's is by giving both modules same clock and reset, completely bypassing slave-mode with the jumper on the back, using four outputs on Pam's (I've got no space for either multiples or stack-cables in my transportable live-rig)

V8+ only begins to run if "play" is pressed when externally clocked. Voltage Block also starts running when "play" is pressed, and therefore VB can't be stopped externally.! Again, unless slave-mode is bypassed.

Am I possibly doing something wrong?

Or..

Feature request:
I'm thinking - if reset could be used as a "run when gate is high" like DIN-sync and the "play"-button lights up, then the V8+ and VB combo would be much more useful in conjunction with other clocks.

Does anyone else have experience with clocking the V8+/VB combo externally?
geetee
Yeah had the same problem, VB doesn't reset if V8+ is externally clocked.
jmelland
thelizard wrote:
What's the best way to report a lock-up? I'll just post this here for now while I can remember the process.

I had a strange crash with the V8+ and VB tonight. VB was in CLK mode. I plugged one of the V8+ outputs (GATE 3, I think) into the CLK input, and went to reset the VB from the V8+'s END output. I had a brain fart and connected the RST input on the V8+ to the RST input on the VB.

I pushed the Gate 3 button and noticed that it didn't respond. At that point I realized the cabling mistake I made. I fixed the cabling, and then pushed a few GATE buttons to try to get the V8+ to respond. Oddly, a few of the channels were still firing. The unit was just not responding to button presses.

When I restarted my system, the Gate channels that I had pressed were completely cleared. My other channels were just fine. Did I somehow accidentally enter a pattern deletion mode (independent of holding the CLEAR button)?


I would like to do the same thing. I have been having a blast with the combo varigate 8 and VB, I actually bought a second VB because they are so useful. Twice now in a week, I've had a kind of crash or freeze. Everything is fine, but I can't program new gates. I try switching tracks and recalling presets and making sure I'm not in a shift type mode... but Varigate will not accept new gates for any channel. This is after an hour of programming so I'm just doing what I had been doing before. Then I think, well it's all saved, I'll just power cycle, then I power cycle, and all my presets are gone, but I can put new gates in now... Anyone else having lockups? Isn't this supposed to save presets when you power cycle?
jmelland
Even though I got it last week, I realized maybe I should have updated the firmware. I just did, and it's currently recalling patches after power cycling... I'll post if I get more lockups...
rutabaga40
geetee


I've also been struggling with reset issues. Under external clock, VB only resets when hard-patched.
Throwgnilli
Hello Wigglers,

I've recently installed the new firmware update and re-calibrated the varigate and it seems like my Varigate is slower to respond to slider adjustment (i.e. the red light indicating the position of the slider on piano roll takes a while to catch up with the actual position of the slider when moved). Is anyone else experiencing this after updating or is the varigate just laggy?
giftculture
Throwgnilli wrote:
Hello Wigglers,

I've recently installed the new firmware update and re-calibrated the varigate and it seems like my Varigate is slower to respond to slider adjustment (i.e. the red light indicating the position of the slider on piano roll takes a while to catch up with the actual position of the slider when moved). Is anyone else experiencing this after updating or is the varigate just laggy?


I installed the new firmware and recalibrated, and I am having the same lag issues - in addition, I'm also having an issue where lights get stuck on on various sliders. I reverted to the previous firmware and didn't have the same issues, so it seems like the new firmware might be buggy
andrewpiano
I just picked up the Varigate 8+ after enjoying the V4. I'm wondering why there is no visual feedback for sequence data like there is on the V4? On the Varigate 4, the led bar shows which steps have repeat or delay data at a glance. With the V8 I don't yet see any visual feedback except when you move a slider. And when in probability mode, why don't the sliders at least dim so you can tell at a glance what the approximate probability is for steps?

And lastly, in CV note mode, why not clear a given step by holding clear and moving a slider rather than only being able to clear all notes at once?

Perhaps I'll have a 'doh' moment after I spend more time with it, I do appreciate how much functionality is packed in there. I just don't understand why the departure from the usefulness of the V4 led visual feedback approach.
NoLegs
andrewpiano wrote:
I just picked up the Varigate 8+ after enjoying the V4. I'm wondering why there is no visual feedback for sequence data like there is on the V4? On the Varigate 4, the led bar shows which steps have repeat or delay data at a glance. With the V8 I don't yet see any visual feedback except when you move a slider. And when in probability mode, why don't the sliders at least dim so you can tell at a glance what the approximate probability is for steps?

And lastly, in CV note mode, why not clear a given step by holding clear and moving a slider rather than only being able to clear all notes at once?

Perhaps I'll have a 'doh' moment after I spend more time with it, I do appreciate how much functionality is packed in there. I just don't understand why the departure from the usefulness of the V4 led visual feedback approach.


How are you liking the v8+ compared to the v4 other than that? I've been looking at picking up a v4 because I'm not sure I want to spend the money and rack space on the v8+.
andrewpiano
Well I really like the V4. The 8 step limitation is a consideration although probability helps keep things interesting. Eventually I wanted 16 steps and more gates plus CV(!) so, the V8. I am disappointed that the user interface is lacking (imho) in comparison to their V4, I don't yet understand why they would change that. Perhaps there's some hidden setting I haven't yet found...

Still, the V8 clearly has a lot of possibilities for awesomeness. I guess it depends on what role you want the module to play in your rack. I chose to get the V8 because I want to use it live--some nice features for that--and it packs a lot of fun and power in a relatively small amount of space. Plus, I really like sliders. I hope they can update the firmware to make things a little more optimized in terms of usability.
andrewpiano
I have experienced one 'DOH' in regards to clearing individual CV pitch data by simply moving the slider to off, all the way to the left. d'oh!

I'm still not clear about visual feedback with repeats or other data. On my unit, the sliders only show probability for gates (and it would be nice if they faded in respect to the amount of probability). This is on all modes, so even on repeats you only see the visual indication of the gate probability. The led bar to the left responds when you are dialing in a given slider and then switches to a blinking pattern based on playback. But this seems kind of useless when a sequence is whizzing by, you can't discern useful info as to which step has what on it. I realize the module is still rather new and improvements will surely follow. And perhaps I just need to spend more time with it to get used to it's workflow. Still, having the V4 makes me wonder why they changed that approach.
aroom
hi. I need help regarding how random works with the varigate.

if I understood correctly, when a gate is high in the random input, this will slightly change the probability values from each steps, therefore induce some random trig. every times the gate is high, those values would change a little, therefore evolve.

but

it doesn't affect the repeat or delay values, right?

I can manually randomize those by holding prob + the function and use the sliders, right ?


now another question about random mute ( mute + save). how does this work ? I didn't noticed any differences if this was on or off, meaning that using the random input with the mute on or off, it would always affect my patterns.

what am I doing wrong here?
Carrousel
I never managed to get my head around the random side of this otherwise wonderful sequencer but as far as i'm aware you can't save mute statuses for any of the three mute pages.

I have loved using the V8 but unfortunately have had to sell it to fund my recent Cirklon purchase. I miss the crazy little thing already.

Here is the last thing I ever made with it waah

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/325222246" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
induktor
Raven_Martin wrote:
I never managed to get my head around the random side of this otherwise wonderful sequencer but as far as i'm aware you can't save mute statuses for any of the three mute pages.

I have loved using the V8 but unfortunately have had to sell it to fund my recent Cirklon purchase. I miss the crazy little thing already.

Here is the last thing I ever made with it waah

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/325222246" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Digging your track! Funny, I've had the Cirklon for a few years now and wanted a more immediate "in the rack" sequencer so I picked up the VG8+ / VB combo. I kept the Cirklon. Both great sequencers with a different approach. I'm a bit of sequencer junky though.
Carrousel
Cheers man!

Yeah I know exactly what you mean; Cirklon seemingly does everything, but that obviously necessitates a certain depth to all the controls. It's very immediate for some tasks but much less so for others. The Varigate is an excellent balance between capability and immediacy; I thoroughly enjoyed using it whilst I had it.
efexx
I have a problem with the varigate 8 skipping clocks. When i let it run all is good. But when i start adding gates with prob(sliders) it is skipping clocks. Anybody experienced this ?

Update : I updated the firmware. I think i did. I can´t really check which firmware is on. Can´t see on the module and also not on the teensy updater.
But it didnt helped. When i wiggle the sliders I see how the clock stops. I see it on the clock out led. Anyone any ideas ?

Update : it´s only the case when recieving external clock. Which is essential. It´s getting his clock from E-RM Mulitclock.
moofi
Did you try to amplify the external clock?

efexx wrote:
I have a problem with the varigate 8 skipping clocks. When i let it run all is good. But when i start adding gates with prob(sliders) it is skipping clocks. Anybody experienced this ?

Update : I updated the firmware. I think i did. I can´t really check which firmware is on. Can´t see on the module and also not on the teensy updater.
But it didnt helped. When i wiggle the sliders I see how the clock stops. I see it on the clock out led. Anyone any ideas ?

Update : it´s only the case when recieving external clock. Which is essential. It´s getting his clock from E-RM Mulitclock.
efexx
Yes tried now with MI Shades. Same result. When i wiggle the prob knobs it seems the clock will pause sometimes.


moofi wrote:
Did you try to amplify the external clock?

efexx wrote:
I have a problem with the varigate 8 skipping clocks. When i let it run all is good. But when i start adding gates with prob(sliders) it is skipping clocks. Anybody experienced this ?

Update : I updated the firmware. I think i did. I can´t really check which firmware is on. Can´t see on the module and also not on the teensy updater.
But it didnt helped. When i wiggle the sliders I see how the clock stops. I see it on the clock out led. Anyone any ideas ?

Update : it´s only the case when recieving external clock. Which is essential. It´s getting his clock from E-RM Mulitclock.
efexx
Ok, now tried with EOC of Maths and EOC of quadra expander and it somehow don´t advance steady. Even when I don´t wiggle something. Am i doing something wrong ? I never had problems with external clocking : and i had metro, circadian, turing, Rene.
I can´t find anywhere to put Varigate into external clock mode.
chapelier fou
Not the same problem but i have like skipping steps as well, with internal clock... Anybody else ?
aroom
skylab001 wrote:

I really like the way you can adjust CV on the voltage block by holding down a step and moving a slider. When it's not in playback you just sweep through the CV and lock it into place very quickly because you can hear what is happening on only that channel. It would be great to be able to do this with CV on the Varigate8, i.e. Hold down a button and move a step slider so you can hear the note or cv just slide into place. Ben, is there any possibility or interest in implementing something like this?


this is for me right now the weakest point of the sequencer. it's so hard to encode it, with a specific melody in mind.

I really wish this could be improved, because other wise the module is really powerfull.

chapelier fou wrote:
Not the same problem but i have like skipping steps as well, with internal clock... Anybody else ?

I've experienced it once too, with a small an fast sequence. but I couldn't reproduce it though, so I could be my mistake
jwise
Thinking about updating my firmware (unknown which one I have) to version 1.0.11 as it says it fixes the external clock issue.

Does anyone know when this was released?

Is this the version where people are reporting lag issues?
efexx
I updated to this version, but still it external clock problems when wiggling the sliders. :(
Opened ticket at malekko. But no reply till now.
Nicole L'Huillier
love it! Rockin' Banana! nanners
tg135
Anyone else having issues with the song sequence not saving after a power cycle or switching banks. I'm able to write over the song with a new song sequence, everything is great, but after the power cycle the first "test" song i made the first day I installed it keeps loading back up. I tried it on different banks. I spent the last 8 hours updating the firmware, following the manual, even went step by step with DRD's awesome youtube in-depth video manual. This is really frustrating since the song mode is what sold me on this sequencer.

Thoughts?
Ultra Kabron
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !
efexx
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Ok, that's good and bad to hear because I don't other devices to clock it and there are no possibilities to adjust the trigger. I could try the LFO-mode of my E-RM multiclock with a pulse and will report back. Thanks guys!
jwise
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Awesome information and I just got me a Pamela's New Workout! I'm also fairly certain that the minds of Malekko will now have better data on how to fix the external clock issue.
tg135
tg135 wrote:
Anyone else having issues with the song sequence not saving after a power cycle or switching banks. I'm able to write over the song with a new song sequence, everything is great, but after the power cycle the first "test" song i made the first day I installed it keeps loading back up. I tried it on different banks. I spent the last 8 hours updating the firmware, following the manual, even went step by step with DRD's awesome youtube in-depth video manual. This is really frustrating since the song mode is what sold me on this sequencer.

Thoughts?


This morning I figured out that after I make a new song, I then have to hit stop playback then press save into the sequence that I stoped on. Is this how you all are saving your songs? The manual and videos Im looking at state it saves automatically when you let go of holding down the song button?
efexx
jwise wrote:
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Awesome information and I just got me a Pamela's New Workout! I'm also fairly certain that the minds of Malekko will now have better data on how to fix the external clock issue.


Ok, tried now my E-RM Multiclock in LFO mode also no luck with external clocking my varigate. All my modules before like QCD, Metropolis, Rene, Turing, circadian didn´t had the problem. :(
aroom
so I just updated my Varigate to the last firmware 1.0.11 because my Voltage Block didn't reset on start/stop while in slave, and the sequences on the VB weren't saved while saving preset on the Varigate.

so now this seems to be fine.


but, I noticed that when a Gate + a CV output are linked, now the CV sequence will reset at the first step of the Gate. so this behavior is now killing my poly-rhythm sequence.

before I could just set the gate sequence to 6 steps and the cv to 4 and have it rolling through without reset.


so I don't know if this was a feature request from the community or if it's just a bug.


I'll just post this here, but it seems that this thread is a bit abandoned to it users anyway. long time no see from any malekko representative. anyone knows if it's on purpose ?



EDIT : mmmmm. I'm having a lot of issues. sliders laging, functions freezing, tempo slowing. I guess I'll just update the firmware again and calibrate the unit again...
Ultra Kabron
efexx wrote:
jwise wrote:
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Awesome information and I just got me a Pamela's New Workout! I'm also fairly certain that the minds of Malekko will now have better data on how to fix the external clock issue.


Ok, tried now my E-RM Multiclock in LFO mode also no luck with external clocking my varigate. All my modules before like QCD, Metropolis, Rene, Turing, circadian didn´t had the problem. :(


Erf.
Did you try with a square LFO from E-RM (I don't know if it can generate one)?
andrewpiano
I just had an issue where the sliders suddenly skipped the first 8 steps or so on the led grid, no matter which mode: probability, repeats etc... Power on/off fixed it but I'm nervous about it happening live. Recently purchased new, not sure which firmware I have.

Also, I had contacted Malekko about the led bar readout as I was wondering why the leds didn't provide quick visual feedback for which steps have repeat etc, the way the Varigate 4 does. They said it wasn't perfect but you get used to the blinking lights. I mean, I do like blinking lights but in terms of usability, I can't help wondering why they changed it from the Varigate 4 which works well for visual feedback of sequence data.

They also said they were too busy with new products to further improve the Varigate 8 which I thought was strange since it's a relatively new product right? Wouldn't it be better to prioritize keeping current users happy and continually improve and update rather than quickly moving on to new releases?
giftculture
aroom wrote:

EDIT : mmmmm. I'm having a lot of issues. sliders laging, functions freezing, tempo slowing. I guess I'll just update the firmware again and calibrate the unit again...


I found the latest firmware very buggy and down-revved one version...
efexx
Ultra Kabron wrote:
efexx wrote:
jwise wrote:
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Awesome information and I just got me a Pamela's New Workout! I'm also fairly certain that the minds of Malekko will now have better data on how to fix the external clock issue.


Ok, tried now my E-RM Multiclock in LFO mode also no luck with external clocking my varigate. All my modules before like QCD, Metropolis, Rene, Turing, circadian didn´t had the problem. :(



Erf.
Did you try with a square LFO from E-RM (I don't know if it can generate one)?


Yes, tried. And with triggers from Maths and Quadra. No luck. In this state the Varigate is useless for me. Also no response since one week from Malekko. Will change for a Eloquencer and keep the Voltage block.
efexx
andrewpiano wrote:
I just had an issue where the sliders suddenly skipped the first 8 steps or so on the led grid, no matter which mode: probability, repeats etc... Power on/off fixed it but I'm nervous about it happening live. Recently purchased new, not sure which firmware I have.

Also, I had contacted Malekko about the led bar readout as I was wondering why the leds didn't provide quick visual feedback for which steps have repeat etc, the way the Varigate 4 does. They said it wasn't perfect but you get used to the blinking lights. I mean, I do like blinking lights but in terms of usability, I can't help wondering why they changed it from the Varigate 4 which works well for visual feedback of sequence data.

They also said they were too busy with new products to further improve the Varigate 8 which I thought was strange since it's a relatively new product right? Wouldn't it be better to prioritize keeping current users happy and continually improve and update rather than quickly moving on to new releases?


That´s not acceptable. So many bugs and I had zero problems with many sequencers clocking external. That´s just absolute essential stuff. So goodbye.
Ultra Kabron
efexx wrote:
Ultra Kabron wrote:
efexx wrote:
jwise wrote:
Ultra Kabron wrote:
I had the same problem for the external clock issue. Some step skip or a kind of clock freeze when I clocked the Varigate with Pamela Workout and tweak the sliders. It was driving me crazy. Even with firmare update. So I tried to increase the width of the Pam's trig. And now it works perfectly !


Awesome information and I just got me a Pamela's New Workout! I'm also fairly certain that the minds of Malekko will now have better data on how to fix the external clock issue.


Ok, tried now my E-RM Multiclock in LFO mode also no luck with external clocking my varigate. All my modules before like QCD, Metropolis, Rene, Turing, circadian didn´t had the problem. :(



Erf.
Did you try with a square LFO from E-RM (I don't know if it can generate one)?


Yes, tried. And with triggers from Maths and Quadra. No luck. In this state the Varigate is useless for me. Also no response since one week from Malekko. Will change for a Eloquencer and keep the Voltage block.


I just tried with another square LFO (from Batumi) and it works well. So I think that the clock in need a square signal. I have no problem with my other modules (Grids and ustep) when I clok them with a simple trig from the Pamela. And I can confirm that It do not work with either "trigs" of a Maths. I had the same problem to clock my Dark Time externally.
funqpatrol
andrewpiano wrote:

They also said they were too busy with new products to further improve the Varigate 8 which I thought was strange since it's a relatively new product right? Wouldn't it be better to prioritize keeping current users happy and continually improve and update rather than quickly moving on to new releases?


Well I was about to pull the trigger on a V8 but this concerns me too much, I think I'll pass!
danielraffel
+1
I've been debating getting a V8+ and Block too but this thread is full of concerning issues making it impossible to justify the spend. Bummer.

[quote="funqpatrol"][quote="andrewpiano"]
They also said they were too busy with new products to further improve the Varigate 8 which I thought was strange since it's a relatively new product right? Wouldn't it be better to prioritize keeping current users happy and continually improve and update rather than quickly moving on to new releases?[/quote]

Well I was about to pull the trigger on a V8 but this concerns me too much, I think I'll pass![/quote]
andrewpiano
FWIW, the co-owner, Paul--keys from legendary band Ministry(!)--has been responsive to my whining about a couple of improvements and quick to reply about the fader issue I had. I believe he is committed to working out any bugs and even as it is, I've found the V8+ to be really really inspiring to play and easy to quickly generate complexity. And, it also has great live performance features. The mute/recall settings are awesome for real-time song-making/improvising.

I do think Malekko would do well to have someone respond more to Muffwiggler threads and consider further improvements or an OS update at some point in the future. For anyone who likes Turing Machines and probability based sequencing, the V8 and V.Block offer an amazing amount of functionality, playability and music-making for quite a reasonable price.
tauburn
I'm really tempted to get the voltage block varigate combo, but i'm worried about the amount of HP as well as the cost. I dont want to upgrade from a 6U for a while. I'm looking at the stillson hammer which seems like it would work well for me, but having twice the amount of tracks to be able to use as cv for many modulation parameters rather than just pitch and gate seems very useful for recall of patches for live performance. anyone owned a stillson hammer and care to comment things that it does better or worse than this combo?
TomzNotJerry
Good day

I'm keen to add this and maybe the Voltage Block to my system.

Is this a relatively intuitive sequence to use or does it require a lot of manual reading?

I've had the Audio Damage Sequence since the start of the year and am rather tired of menu diving & referring to videos and manuals to achieve what I think are rather simple options.

regarding musical style, mostly acid techno/breaks and variations of garage and grime.

Thanks.
aroom
aroom wrote:
I'll just post this here, but it seems that this thread is a bit abandoned to it users anyway. long time no see from any malekko representative. anyone knows if it's on purpose ?


I've contacted Malekko by mail about my issues (VB not resetting on start stop, presets from VB not being saved on VG, then firmware updated to 10.0.11 resolving the former issues but giving me sliders latency, function freezing, tempo slowing, CV sequences being resettled on first Gate step while being linked)

the answer was : go back to 10.0.7 and that they were working on releasing a new update to get all the bugs out.


so cheer up everybody w00t
efexx
aroom wrote:
aroom wrote:
I'll just post this here, but it seems that this thread is a bit abandoned to it users anyway. long time no see from any malekko representative. anyone knows if it's on purpose ?


I've contacted Malekko by mail about my issues (VB not resetting on start stop, presets from VB not being saved on VG, then firmware updated to 10.0.11 resolving the former issues but giving me sliders latency, function freezing, tempo slowing, CV sequences being resettled on first Gate step while being linked)

the answer was : go back to 10.0.7 and that they were working on releasing a new update to get all the bugs out.


so cheer up everybody w00t


Maybe I am a bit overreacting. but i sold my sequencers to go the malekko route, because I think it´s a powerful combo, but now i broke my whole setup, because it can´t clock to my e-rm mulitclock which is essential for me. I can´t use my modluar now and I never experience somethings like this.
Mndscrpt
Hi there!
Just got the Varigate 4 and really like the workflow, besides the lack of mutes.
I am wondering if i would regret selling the 4+ and my MN Tempi to get the big one.

What i like about the Tempi is the quick programming of different clocks in no second. Could the Vari 8 be used as a simple clockdivider too without headache?
hmmm.....
bearcat111
Mndscrpt wrote:
Hi there!
Just got the Varigate 4 and really like the workflow, besides the lack of mutes.
I am wondering if i would regret selling the 4+ and my MN Tempi to get the big one.

What i like about the Tempi is the quick programming of different clocks in no second. Could the Vari 8 be used as a simple clockdivider too without headache?
hmmm.....


Yep, just pick a gate track, set all sliders on, and set the mult/div option for that track. ez-pz
boom blip
Does anyone else's varigate glitch out their MN tempi? Whenever I change the varigate tempo the tempi changes along with it.
bendedavis
boom blip wrote:
Does anyone else's varigate glitch out their MN tempi? Whenever I change the varigate tempo the tempi changes along with it.


Tempi responds to clock signal from the busboard on the gate rail. You can disable this on the V8+ by moving the "gate bus" jumper to the other position.
andrewpiano
Has anyone had bugginess where the V8 suddenly starts acting weird? Like, the faders have no effect on Repeats or other parameters. Or the gate out suddenly doesn't work even with probabilities up. The only fix is powering down/up. I'm using a recent Doepfer 9u a-100 case, power should be good afaik?
simond4zed
the old firmware does fix timing for me. No external sync into V8+ combined with VB in slavemode however, but i can live with that.

Two big wishes though!

Please make a global swing setting - something with holding a button and turning the "tempo" pot, and please make it work in external clock mode.

Also please please please, make the switch between punching in gates and choosing track (by holding "prob" button for 2 seconds) shorter! Best case - an instant two-button combination or second best, just make it 1 second instead. '

Both things would hugely boost the live-performance efficiency! applause

Still loving this thing!
efexx
Sorry, but deeply disappointed. It's useless for me because it's not working in external clock mode and malekko didn't responded for a open ticket for weeks. Also news that they don't plan to update it are sounding bad. So had to sell it. Still have the voltage block though.
wavedepletion
andrewpiano wrote:
Has anyone had bugginess where the V8 suddenly starts acting weird? Like, the faders have no effect on Repeats or other parameters.


On mine, the clock will sometimes randomly skip a few beats or resets when touching the faders, if it is synced to an external clock. I haven't upgraded to 1.0.11 yet since it sounds like things got worse. I think I'm running 1.0.10. It's powered by a Tiptop uZeus with the 3000mAh grounded power supply.
reodjectz
simond4zed wrote:

Also please please please, make the switch between punching in gates and choosing track (by holding "prob" button for 2 seconds) shorter! Best case - an instant two-button combination or second best, just make it 1 second instead. '


While I don't mind the 2 sec to get into the mode - holding 2 seconds to get out makes no sense - when in 'live play' mode the prob button does nothing - a simple tap should get you out of that mode.

efexx wrote:

Sorry, but deeply disappointed. It's useless for me because it's not working in external clock mode and malekko didn't responded for a open ticket for weeks. Also news that they don't plan to update it are sounding bad. So had to sell it. Still have the voltage block though.


Mine works fine in external mode - what problem are you having. Also - That is sad if they are no longer updating it... I didn't hear about that.
wavedepletion
reodjectz wrote:
Also - That is sad if they are no longer updating it... I didn't hear about that.


Not sure how that rumor got started. FWIW, there were several posts on the last page which suggests it is being worked on. Hopefully this rumor is the true one -- the module is only a year old, hard to imagine they'd stop supporting it so quickly, especially one in this price range.


aroom wrote:
I've contacted Malekko by mail about my issues (VB not resetting on start stop, presets from VB not being saved on VG, then firmware updated to 10.0.11 resolving the former issues but giving me sliders latency, function freezing, tempo slowing, CV sequences being resettled on first Gate step while being linked)

the answer was : go back to 10.0.7 and that they were working on releasing a new update to get all the bugs out.

so cheer up everybody w00t


For the external clock VB issue, I just keep a cable patched between the Reset and RST/HOLD on the two modules. Specifically, I send a reset trig from the first step in my external sequencer (Elektron Analog Keys), and then mult it over to the VB. Seems to help that problem quite a bit, and lets me start/stop everything via the Analog Keys. Still has occasional random clock bugginess when working the faders though.
efexx
wavedepletion wrote:
andrewpiano wrote:
Has anyone had bugginess where the V8 suddenly starts acting weird? Like, the faders have no effect on Repeats or other parameters.


On mine, the clock will sometimes randomly skip a few beats or resets when touching the faders, if it is synced to an external clock. I haven't upgraded to 1.0.11 yet since it sounds like things got worse. I think I'm running 1.0.10. It's powered by a Tiptop uZeus with the 3000mAh grounded power supply.


The same like wavedeplation: when I wiggle the faders it is skipping clocks.
I am clocking with E-RM multiclock. Had never a problem with that (Metropolis, Rene, Circadian, Turing, Multistage). But now I reduced to one case and it's the only possibility and it was the plan that it is my only main sequencer that is synced to all other gear. Sad is they didn't respond to me. But it's a small company. Maybe they are just busy. I must find another solution than . Going for Elo. It's sad. It's a good concept . I am keeping the voltage block. It's amazing with basimilus.
efexx
And they should also fix the jumping of values than the faders are in between them. That's also really annoying.
efexx
It's sad because you get amazing and complex rhythms very fast and the feature set is good. But than fundamental things like external sync is buggy and values jump in sequences. :(
Montgomery Word
i've never had mine jump or skip or glitch when i didn't want it to. but- i used to have a knit rider that did, and i realized i had some bad cables.

also, when i first got the module, suddenly things would stop working sometimes, but it was always me hitting combos and getting into modes i didn't know i was in. once i figured it out, i was fine.

i doubt highly they're done updating this. ben is a friend of mine, and i know this is his baby.
aroom
Montgomery Word wrote:
i've never had mine jump or skip or glitch when i didn't want it to. but- i used to have a knit rider that did, and i realized i had some bad cables.


which firmware are you on?
Montgomery Word
aroom wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
i've never had mine jump or skip or glitch when i didn't want it to. but- i used to have a knit rider that did, and i realized i had some bad cables.


which firmware are you on?


either 1.0.7 or 1.0.10. i updated when i bought it once about 4-5 months ago.
dmod
This thing looks amazing but I am a bit hesitant to pull the trigger as there are a lot of complaints about bugs. Hopefully they get worked out. Great idea!
limpmeat
Those with issues, are you using an addon 5v dongle on your busboard?

I had heaps of issues with getting my VB and VG8+ to talk to eachother, but after removing my elby 5v dongle everything worked fine.
Waredgo
Does anyone know if changing the CV values on the Voltage Block show what notes they correspond to on the LED meter on the Varigate 8+?
aroom
Waredgo wrote:
Does anyone know if changing the CV values on the Voltage Block show what notes they correspond to on the LED meter on the Varigate 8+?


yep. it doesn't.
neonjung
Is this correct - with nothing patched into my MFB Dual ADSR, when I hit play on the VG8+, the MFB module is receiving triggers. They are on the same bus as each other. I figure there's some kinda clock hardwired, being sent from the VG to the DADSR or something? Should I move the jumpers on the back or just place them on a different bus to each other?
wavedepletion
neonjung wrote:
Is this correct - with nothing patched into my MFB Dual ADSR, when I hit play on the VG8+, the MFB module is receiving triggers. They are on the same bus as each other. I figure there's some kinda clock hardwired, being sent from the VG to the DADSR or something? Should I move the jumpers on the back or just place them on a different bus to each other?


Yep - from the manual, the MFB listens to the euro gate bus: "The gate-inputs are also connected to the mainframe/system bus. Therefore, gate-signals from a buss-access module or an appropriate MIDI/CV-interface are available without front side patching. The mainframe bus triggers both envelopes simultaneously. Front side patching of the gate-inputs will disconnect mainframe-bus triggering." The VG8+ sends it's clock to this bus to sync with the Voltage Block.

Sounds like if you don't want this to happen, you'll need to either patch it (might be able to use a dummy cable on the input), set the jumper on the VG8+, or move the MFB to a different busboard from the VG8+/VB.
kriskeyman
If I have cable plugged into CLK In of V8, why does pressing play on V8 start the sequence? I would expect play to become lit when pressed on V8, but only play back once external CLK is received. Am I missing something?

I'm using latest firmware. Is there a workaround?
moofi
I guess the problem lies somewhere else, still, from what I can tell, Shades doesn´t amplifiy but mererly attenuate/attenuvert an incoming signal, so for amplification you would either need a mixer/VCA with gain above 1.0 implimentent.

efexx wrote:
Yes tried now with MI Shades. Same result. When i wiggle the prob knobs it seems the clock will pause sometimes.


moofi wrote:
Did you try to amplify the external clock?

efexx wrote:
I have a problem with the varigate 8 skipping clocks. When i let it run all is good. But when i start adding gates with prob(sliders) it is skipping clocks. Anybody experienced this ?

Update : I updated the firmware. I think i did. I can´t really check which firmware is on. Can´t see on the module and also not on the teensy updater.
But it didnt helped. When i wiggle the sliders I see how the clock stops. I see it on the clock out led. Anyone any ideas ?

Update : it´s only the case when recieving external clock. Which is essential. It´s getting his clock from E-RM Mulitclock.
DDJ
I've been wanting to pick one of these up but have waited to see if any of these issues are cleared up. Are the majority of users happy with the Varigate or are most of you having issues?
X15
I am in the same situation as some others here, i like it from the videos and was about to order, but then i saw the different issues here.

No word from Malekko about solving these issues is worrying! Maybe it's random hardware related issues, so they can't do anything (unless people start sending in their modules), and prefer to be quiet about it. Well i am just guessing here. Hopefully it will be fixed.
coolshirtdotjpg
I have to say the possibilities for user error on these are extremely high. I've owned around 60 modules, and have probably sold another 60, and this is, without question, the deepest module I've ever used. In combination with the Voltage block the complexity increases further.

I haven't experience any of the issues detailed in this thread, but I'm just starting to figure things out. So far, I am extremely happy with it, but sometimes miss the immediacy of the Rene that I traded for it.
DDJ
Yeah, user error is definitely possible. The lack of presence on this thread by Melekko doesn't help either.
teknobryan
maybe this has been discussed before. But when I link the one of the CV outputs to a gate, it doesn't reset to the first step when the linked gate goes back to step 1.

Is this user error?
gonner
teknobryan wrote:
maybe this has been discussed before. But when I link the one of the CV outputs to a gate, it doesn't reset to the first step when the linked gate goes back to step 1.

Is this user error?


I believe that gate and cv need to be set to the same length.
kriskeyman
kriskeyman wrote:
If I have cable plugged into CLK In of V8, why does pressing play on V8 start the sequence? I would expect play to become lit when pressed on V8, but only play back once external CLK is received. Am I missing something?

I'm using latest firmware. Is there a workaround?


Is this user error?... in other words, shouldn't V8 wait to start until external clock is received?
Aaronautical001
I think I get this as well. VG8 can start without a clock input if you press play. I forgot to plug a clock in one time and played without it; only about 3 or 4 mins later he timing went weird and I noticed my error.

Does anyone know if it just uses the rate from the previous clock at all?
rumblefishrhodes
DDJ wrote:
I've been wanting to pick one of these up but have waited to see if any of these issues are cleared up. Are the majority of users happy with the Varigate or are most of you having issues?


I'm very happy with mine. There are some things that aren't perfect, for instance I find picking a note for the cv channels can be a little sensitive, as in it will jump around and you have to be super delicate when dialing in your notes, but that is a minor complaint. In terms of clocks jumping around, and random glitchiness I haven't had any of that. The closest thing i've had to a glitch is when I take my clock source out of the clock input mid sequence and the whole thing freezes up, needing a restart. Admittedly that isn't a 'glitch' as much as it is me abusing my hardware. The no reset on the Voltage Block in slave mode, while clocking the varigate thing is a bit of a pain, but there are work arounds. I haven't updated since I bought it (about 6 weeks ago), which I probably should/will as it seems to solve the reset issue.
anosou
rumblefishrhodes wrote:
DDJ wrote:
I've been wanting to pick one of these up but have waited to see if any of these issues are cleared up. Are the majority of users happy with the Varigate or are most of you having issues?


I'm very happy with mine. There are some things that aren't perfect, for instance I find picking a note for the cv channels can be a little sensitive, as in it will jump around and you have to be super delicate when dialing in your notes, but that is a minor complaint. In terms of clocks jumping around, and random glitchiness I haven't had any of that. The closest thing i've had to a glitch is when I take my clock source out of the clock input mid sequence and the whole thing freezes up, needing a restart. Admittedly that isn't a 'glitch' as much as it is me abusing my hardware. The no reset on the Voltage Block in slave mode, while clocking the varigate thing is a bit of a pain, but there are work arounds. I haven't updated since I bought it (about 6 weeks ago), which I probably should/will as it seems to solve the reset issue.


Extremely happy with mine too, the hub of the entire system. Finding note entry to be OK, not too sensitive. I haven't had any timing or clock glitches at all and using it with Voltage Block works great for me. smile

Pretty much everything here uses my Varigate as the main sequencer: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMv8g4Au3qQ1w-QGsGpxf01c6R9I-0u vm
recordplay
Malekko Varigate vs Tip Top Circadian Rhythms - are there any documented pros and cons or comparison for these. Derrick gave me a demo on the varigate and it was impressive. I'm looking to sequence a rhythm rack and I'm finding it difficult to decide on which one to go for. Anyone own both and could share some info?
wavedepletion
Something that needs to be clarified when reporting clock and fader glitches, or lack thereof, is whether or not you are patching an external clock source to the Clk In on the Varigate.

I suspect those posting saying "I don't have any problems" are using the VG8+ exclusively as the master clock, or are running a firmware version < 1.0.10. This is normal - mine too runs 100% in this scenario.

AFAIK, the discussions on clock and fader bugs are specific to syncing the VG8+ with an external clock source and running VG8+ with firmware >= 1.0.10 (necessary for Voltage Block busboard slaving). In this scenario the bugs are fairly obvious within a few minutes to an hour of active playing, unless there is some other power/busboard/clock voltage/pulse width/system-specific complications happening.
coolshirtdotjpg
I am using an external clock, without issue. I'm not sure which firmware I'm using though. I can check back.
rumblefishrhodes
I use mine clocked (usually via beatstep pro, but sometimes via 606), with a voltage block in slave mode and the only bugs I have experienced is the stuff I mentioned in my post above. Not sure on which firmware i'm using, but it is likely fairly current as i bought the varigate 8 6-7 weeks ago. Maybe i'm not using it the same way as everybody else.

edit: I don't always clock my varigate I should mention, only about 50% of the time, i'll pay closer attention to see if I can repeat any of the stuff mentioned in this thread while it's clocked.
wavedepletion
Some other considerations if you are reporting no glitches when using external clocks, that may help others suss out where the bug is coming from:

- What version firmware is loaded?
- What power supply are you using?
- Are you also using a Voltage Block?
- If so, is the VB on the same busboard and in slave mode?
- What are you using as the external clock?
- What is the pulse/gate width sent by the external clock device (often can changed in settings, or checked in the device's specifications)?
mirth23
recordplay wrote:
Malekko Varigate vs Tip Top Circadian Rhythms - are there any documented pros and cons or comparison for these. Derrick gave me a demo on the varigate and it was impressive. I'm looking to sequence a rhythm rack and I'm finding it difficult to decide on which one to go for. Anyone own both and could share some info?


+1. I have been eyeing both of these for a while now. It might mostly come down to personal UI preference, they seem to have a lot of pretty similar features. CR does let you offload sequences, but only with a SIM in the back of the module so that's not exactly immediate.
zChops
Just starting, just bought a power supply and it comes in sometime this week. I've been going back and forth between the Verigate and the Metropolis. Can't decide... help me pls! I'm most likely going to get both but cant decide which to get first
bemushroomed
zChops wrote:
Just starting, just bought a power supply and it comes in sometime this week. I've been going back and forth between the Verigate and the Metropolis. Can't decide... help me pls! I'm most likely going to get both but cant decide which to get first


Varigate. I've had the Metropolis and while it was a very FUN and immediate sequencer the Varigate has more to offer. Metropolis will just control 1 VCO, with this you kind of have 2x metropolis and on top of that 8 trigger outs, it's insanely powerful in comparison.
thetaflux
kuxaan-sum wrote:
V8+ doing some mildly random rhythms from Wednesday during a local synth meetup patch:



wow. i could listen to this forever we're not worthy
ianross
Stoked these modules exist : )
zChops
bemushroomed wrote:


Varigate. I've had the Metropolis and while it was a very FUN and immediate sequencer the Varigate has more to offer. Metropolis will just control 1 VCO, with this you kind of have 2x metropolis and on top of that 8 trigger outs, it's insanely powerful in comparison.


Thank you, this is exactly the response I was hoping to get. I was leaning towards the varigate anyway but I'm pretty much sold at this point. Next is the basimilus iteritas alter. Badass little module.
JoeFuture
Just saw there’s an in-store demo by Malekko at Perfect Circuit tomorrow. Anyone here going who could ask them about all the timing bugs?
rumblefishrhodes
Alright, so I spent the day with my varigate/voltage block yesterday, and I had it clocked the whole time via beatstep pro. No timing glitches, no fader glitches. Only issue is the reset of voltage block in slave mode (not happening) so I just reset it with a gate from the bsp. Otherwise it worked perfectly. I'm presently focused on learning the varigate, so my depth of knowledge on VB is limited, but I am unaware of any other issues on the VB itself.

Power supply, as asked for above, is whatever comes in the pgh move 104 (new ones) case: http://pittsburghmodular.com/move-cases/

Gate width the default bsp setting.

I am using an old firmware, just because I generally wait a few iterations to upgrade, especially if people are having issues and I am not. I suspect i'm on the firmware directly before the vb reset in slave mode update, as mine still isn't, but it's not a big bother for me to reset it myself. That being said, I may upgrade today.


Hope this helps anyone.
coolshirtdotjpg
wavedepletion wrote:
Some other considerations if you are reporting no glitches when using external clocks, that may help others suss out where the bug is coming from:

- What version firmware is loaded?
sorry still need to get back to you on this. How can I check?
- What power supply are you using?
Linear supply in a Monorocket 9U
- Are you also using a Voltage Block?
yes
- If so, is the VB on the same busboard and in slave mode?
yes
- What are you using as the external clock?
tempi
- What is the pulse/gate width sent by the external clock device (often can changed in settings, or checked in the device's specifications)?
believe it's 50% cycle
neonjung
I send out a pulse from my Rytm to the VG8+ and 99% of the time the VG takes the clock no problem, but then when I start making tweaks say to the length or seq mode, every now and then the VG will drop a clock pulse. It's really annoying, and makes it unusable live. I'm on the firmware it came with, haven't updated, and I'm not using it with the VBlock either.
Anyone else have a similar thing happen? Will updating to 1.0.11 fix this?
VanEck
neonjung wrote:
I send out a pulse from my Rytm to the VG8+ and 99% of the time the VG takes the clock no problem, but then when I start making tweaks say to the length or seq mode, every now and then the VG will drop a clock pulse. It's really annoying, and makes it unusable live. I'm on the firmware it came with, haven't updated, and I'm not using it with the VBlock either.
Anyone else have a similar thing happen? Will updating to 1.0.11 fix this?


Yes, multiple people have reported this issue in this thread, and I myself have experienced it as have other people I know who have one.

Changing parameters on the fly can sometimes cause hiccups on other tracks. There are no firmware versions that resolve this that I am aware of.

My way of working around this live is to not tweak the sliders during a performance, but instead mute/unmute tracks and bounce between saved sequences during performances.
anderson303
tibbon wrote:
I was trying to sync my Varigate 8+ with Silent Way's "sync" plugin, sending both reset and clock to it with an ES-3.

It turns out that sending a reset gate advances the clock by one step, so it was always off by one. The trick is to tell Silent Way to skip the first beat, allowing this first reset to act as a clock pulse. Doing this gets you pretty much on-point, but not perfectly so.

If you want it within 1ms timing, you'll have to do some offset in in Silent Way (10ms or so), but then it starts always one bar later (at least in Ableton Live), which is ok for me... just something to know about. You don't have to do this if you're ok with it being just a hair off timing wise (probably ok for live performances, or if you don't mind sliding everything back 10ms in editing).


Does this always work? Seems like the the only way to get it to sync is change the offset per project, per session, per whatever?

Trying to sync with yarns is impossible because the reset always moves it a step forward, cant turn it off like silent way.
DDJ
I have one on the way and will be sending it back if I can't sync it through Yarns. That is a deal breaker. Has anyone had success syncing the Varigate 8+ to a Yarns Sequencer 1, sq1 and/or a keystep? Does it only work when it's the slave(edit-I meant host)?
anderson303
DDJ wrote:
I have one on the way and will be sending it back if I can't sync it through Yarns. That is a deal breaker. Has anyone had success syncing the Varigate 8+ to a Yarns Sequencer 1, sq1 and/or a keystep? Does it only work when it's the slave?


I might actually be having other DAW issues. I restarted my Mac Pro and sync is working much better in Silent Way. still not 100% but better than old Roland boxes I had more issues with.
nectarios
VanEck wrote:
neonjung wrote:
I send out a pulse from my Rytm to the VG8+ and 99% of the time the VG takes the clock no problem, but then when I start making tweaks say to the length or seq mode, every now and then the VG will drop a clock pulse. It's really annoying, and makes it unusable live. I'm on the firmware it came with, haven't updated, and I'm not using it with the VBlock either.
Anyone else have a similar thing happen? Will updating to 1.0.11 fix this?


Yes, multiple people have reported this issue in this thread, and I myself have experienced it as have other people I know who have one.

Changing parameters on the fly can sometimes cause hiccups on other tracks. There are no firmware versions that resolve this that I am aware of.

My way of working around this live is to not tweak the sliders during a performance, but instead mute/unmute tracks and bounce between saved sequences during performances.


Ouch! I sold Varigate 4 cause I could not stand having it jump from odd sequence lengths to teh full 8, when the incoming clock would stop and basically was GASing over the VG8+.

I guess I am going to wait some more then until they fix this.
anderson303
DDJ wrote:
I have one on the way and will be sending it back if I can't sync it through Yarns. That is a deal breaker. Has anyone had success syncing the Varigate 8+ to a Yarns Sequencer 1, sq1 and/or a keystep? Does it only work when it's the slave(edit-I meant host)?


I cannot get it to sync to Yarns. Mind you I'm just playing one channel of gates into the clock and on the 16th step I'm playing a gate into the reset. Let me know what you come up with.

Had to run the firmware twice to the update. sliders were getting stuck until I updated it a second time. Recalibrated both times.
anderson303
Now, that being said, it works great with Silent Way, and a little beat matching by way of Offset (here set to 12 but it changes based on variables)

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CountZero
anderson303 wrote:
DDJ wrote:
I have one on the way and will be sending it back if I can't sync it through Yarns. That is a deal breaker. Has anyone had success syncing the Varigate 8+ to a Yarns Sequencer 1, sq1 and/or a keystep? Does it only work when it's the slave(edit-I meant host)?


I cannot get it to sync to Yarns. Mind you I'm just playing one channel of gates into the clock and on the 16th step I'm playing a gate into the reset. Let me know what you come up with.

Had to run the firmware twice to the update. sliders were getting stuck until I updated it a second time. Recalibrated both times.


I'm having no luck syncing it with Yarns. Which is a real drag as it's so far been my favorite sequencer in euroland. I really hope they can get this sorted out.
SB-SIX
Do you guys also report this to support? I think its best to so.

I've done alot of testing too with v8 as slave. Using trigs as clocksource, it skips a clock sometimes, but when wiggling the sliders, it will drop alot of clocks.

When synced to an STD (which outputs square pulses) it works fine, even while running and playing with the sliders. The behaviour is the same on 1.10 and 1.11.

In every situation, it seems to pauze on the first clock after reset, which makes step #16 the first step compared to the external clock
anderson303
Josh sent it to Ben Davis and he hasn't responded.
fjoesz
when slaved to clock and reset from µMidi it skips like a young bunny on acid!
when it recieves a reset trigg it stops for a few steps and picks up around step 5 but out of sync.
that's a real bummer so I hope it wil be fixed soon.
firmware version doesn't change anything
I'm gonna try the gate out and feed it short notes, because that will be square pulses then right?
then at least I can tough the sliders when slaved to clock!
also, when I stop the varigate, the voltage block sometimes doesn't stop or sometimes after a step or 2. this is when connected through bussboard.
Does anyone experience that as well?
Hateplow
I am having a weird behaviour with slaving the Varigate8+ to a metropolis. Clock and Reset are sent from Metropolis and all seems well and good until I noticed that the varigate sends no triggers until I reach 50% on the slider and then it will trigger 100% of the time.. Works fine as the master but since the the varigate sends END and not a Start sync I cant use it as a master unless I create a single trigger on one of the channels, which works great but a waste of a channel. Any way to configure the END to be a START? I did update to 1.0.11 and still same issues.
rumblefishrhodes
I'm just reading through this thread again and seeing more people are having issues with the varigate 8. I wanted to comment on my earlier post where I said I was having no issues with my varigate 8 with ext clocks (which I don't). I should qualify that I don't change sequence length or type very often while in sequence, so these timing glitches did not present themselves to me. I use the preset and song mode to make my arrangements, I don't do it on the fly. I can see how if you are a live performer and want to 'play' the sequencer, this would be an issue.

I will test it on my rig this weekend and see if I can repeat the results others are having.

Edit: I don't know what to say, but i'm not having any timing problems syncing through external clock, using a bsp. I changed my sequence length mid sequence, and still no syncing glitches. My voltage block in slave mode needs a retrig to start and stop with the varigate, but that is a known bug for the firmware i'm on.
vasculator
i've run into these issues frequently : sequence skipping out of time when the sliders are used, bus sync and reset between v8 and vb being very inconsistent (half the time it works, half the time it doesn't. power cycle usually fixes it for a little).
nedrush
Sorry if this is a boring question and been asked already, but do the buttons along the bottom as a manual triggers or are they just for accessing tracks/gate sequences? I've seen videos using them to record realtime sequences which made me guess you can just trigger stuff by pushing, like on the beat step pro.

Cheers.
fjoesz
yes you can, after holding probability for 2 seconds

but then you record it as well
nedrush
fjoesz wrote:
yes you can, after holding probability for 2 seconds

but then you record it as well


That's good to know. I've been using my beatstep pro pretty much just for triggering things by hand out the separate gate outs but wanted a eurorack that could do it. Having researched this and all the sequencing flexibility I think I have to get one.
fjoesz
thanks for the tip SB-SIX

I use a spare midi note 2 cv gate channel as clock source and sync it to protools that way. I can touch sliders, use normal reset trigger and all works perfect!
nedrush
fjoesz wrote:
yes you can, after holding probability for 2 seconds

but then you record it as well


my varigate has arrived love but i think maybe we had a misunderstanding. eek!

holding probability records new gates regardless, I was looking more to just press and hold a gate to send else where, for example into the freeze on clouds, for a momentary high signal. did i miss something? seriously, i just don't get it thumbs up
SB-SIX
nedrush wrote:
fjoesz wrote:
yes you can, after holding probability for 2 seconds

but then you record it as well


my varigate has arrived love but i think maybe we had a misunderstanding. eek!

holding probability records new gates regardless, I was looking more to just press and hold a gate to send else where, for example into the freeze on clouds, for a momentary high signal. did i miss something? seriously, i just don't get it thumbs up


No that's not how it works now. It's only for recording gates realtime. The thing you want to do sounds more like a pressure points.
nedrush
SB-SIX wrote:
nedrush wrote:
fjoesz wrote:
yes you can, after holding probability for 2 seconds

but then you record it as well


my varigate has arrived love but i think maybe we had a misunderstanding. eek!

holding probability records new gates regardless, I was looking more to just press and hold a gate to send else where, for example into the freeze on clouds, for a momentary high signal. did i miss something? seriously, i just don't get it thumbs up


No that's not how it works now. It's only for recording gates realtime. The thing you want to do sounds more like a pressure points.


my thoughts also. I was using the beatstep pro for this but jacked it in cause I couldnt handle patching from round the back, plus the size. Pressure Points looks like a good buddy for varigate for what I'm looking forward.

Great sequencer.
Throwgnilli
I'm running out of steam here guys.

Ive tried everything to get the varigate to sync to my yarns but it just wont.

Is there a way to change the clock start output on yarns to a clock reset?
I fear this is why the Varigate is not syncing.
lohacker
I'm waiting for mine to come up! w00t
Anyone tested latest beta 1.0.12B to see if some of these issues are fixed?
CountZero
lohacker wrote:
I'm waiting for mine to come up! w00t
Anyone tested latest beta 1.0.12B to see if some of these issues are fixed?


Yes. And here's a couple things.

Still no good with an external clock coming from Live through Yarns. Here's a screen shot of what I'm getting:

I'll need to check, but compared to 1.0.11 it feels like the initial lag is longer while it catches up to the clock. The subsequent pulses while still lagging behind appear more consistent than before but after a few measures begin to drift.

I then tried midi notes and using the gate/trig output (vs clock) to clock the VG8. Again coming from Live through Yarns.



While initial catch up period is gone, it's still showing some pretty significant latency there. MIDI sync clock delay is set to zero in Live. Unfortunately I'm only clocking with Live so i've no other way to test it.
simond4zed
lohacker wrote:
I'm waiting for mine to come up! w00t
Anyone tested latest beta 1.0.12B to see if some of these issues are fixed?


I've tested beta 1.0.12B too!

The new quicker access to live record mode (Recall+Prob) is flawless. It's a whole new level to it's live performance capabilities.

So far I didn't notice slider problems and also the external clock seems stable (no skipping of steps).

It doesn't start at the exact right spot when externally synced with pamela's workout - needs half a second to catch up with the clock - but if you use the "end" gate out for resetting other sequencers (including Voltage Block) it all works fine.

I've made a video that I sent to Malekko to showcase this problem although I think it's in the minor issues category. At least for my way of using it.. It's attached so you can see the different behaviors depending on how it's reset, slave-mode etc.

https://youtu.be/ZQ7KAvIQMyE

I think the better firmware version if you want to avoid this problem is ver. 1.0.10
anderson303
CountZero wrote:
Still no good with an external clock coming from Live through Yarns.


It looks like you're using Live. When I was syncing my old 202 and 606 with a DIN converte there was a latency I cleared up with a midi track delay compensation. Have you tried this:

https://www.ableton.com/answers/external-instruments-midi-timing-probl ems

(I'm pretty sure that's the same thing silent way is doing to let me align the V8 sync up to Live in my case)
CountZero
anderson303 wrote:
CountZero wrote:
Still no good with an external clock coming from Live through Yarns.


It looks like you're using Live. When I was syncing my old 202 and 606 with a DIN converte there was a latency I cleared up with a midi track delay compensation. Have you tried this:

https://www.ableton.com/answers/external-instruments-midi-timing-probl ems

(I'm pretty sure that's the same thing silent way is doing to let me align the V8 sync up to Live in my case)


Hey! I was actually able to get it to sync by setting the Midi Clock Sync Delay to -35ms on the output side. Thanks for the tip thumbs up

I did however confirm bad clocking with Beatstep Pro, Clock from an RCD, and clock from the Wogglebug. This thing doesn't like to be in the passenger seat.
anderson303
Awesome. It's high maintenance but still my favorite sequencer.
efexx
Same here problems with external sync. Had to sell it. Also no response for opened ticket at malekko. Bummer, because they seem like great guys. Maybe they are too busy at the moment. My voltage block seems flawless.
bemushroomed
I'm triggering mine with Pamela's New Workout now and it's working great.

I probably have the first firmware since i bought this very early on and i've never updated it.
CountZero
So a few things I've found. When clocking with Live via Yarns, the Bar Duration must be set to zero. (I power cycled without saving the Yarns settings and was tearing my hair out until I remembered to change Bar Duration). Other wise the Varigate reads that reset as an extra clock tick and you get an off beat double-tap where it tries to catch up and then the timing is off for the duration of play. So with that set up saved in Yarns, and the Midi Clock Sync delay in Live set to -33ms, I'm good to go. However, the clock timing is still all wack-a-doodle when trying to slave the V8+ with any other clock source.
spruce999
I have updated and It's bugged like hell. In my opinion the first firmware was the most stable and I haven't spotted a single flaw. I guess there is a way to downgrade It - anybody did this?

bemushroomed wrote:
I'm triggering mine with Pamela's New Workout now and it's working great.

I probably have the first firmware since i bought this very early on and i've never updated it.
lohacker
spruce999 wrote:
I have updated and It's bugged like hell. In my opinion the first firmware was the most stable and I haven't spotted a single flaw. I guess there is a way to downgrade It - anybody did this?


Have you tried with these previous versions?
https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/

Mine is still with an older fw (don't know exactly which is..) and I've noticed some issues clocking it directly from my machinedrum, but passing its clock from my temps utile first and then sending to VG fixes this problem, so I'm staying with this version until a stable one comes to life. seriously, i just don't get it
kozonak
i was looking to buy one this week but than i read this ... my other option was the stillson hammer which i hear is full of bugs. is there any modern performance sequencer that's not so buggy you would recommend ?

ps. i have mixed feelings about the rene and i would love to have more than one cv track (metropolis and adm fall short here)
meatbeatz
I recently tried slaving VG8+ and disappointed to find it was all over the place. :(

Originally I was slaving to Metropolis and didn't notice any issues but since I've tried ERM Multiclock and SW Sync with no luck. I'll try messing with the level/PW in SW Sync and report back. Sequencers that cannot sync are useless imo. I don't have the time or patience these days to piss around troubleshooting so if I can't sync it to my DAW next try I'll have to sell it to someone else to figure out. Unfortunately due to this I'll expect to be losing a fair chunk of money on it.

Malekko, is this something you intend on fixing? Your input would be greatly appreciated!
ianross
I haven't had trouble syncing my the Varigate 8+ to Silent Way's Sync plugin. I've noticed a hiccup or two once and awhile, but basically works perfect. I use the reset from SW Sync also and it works perfect.

Meatballz, I would hold onto the Varigate 8+, if syncing is your problem. Have you tried rolling back to the older firmware? I feel this can be fixed.

Anyone tried the new beta firmware, up on the site?
jwise
I've had no problems with syncing, but I'm using a Pamela's New Workout for the Varigate 8+ and the Voltage Block slaved to it.

I too am wondering about user experience with the new beta?
SB-SIX
The new beta is a huge step forward. It now syncs nicely with short trigs from umidi or similar. No more dropping of clocks, and i love the fact that the sliders are now absolute instead of relative.
CountZero
ianross wrote:

Anyone tried the new beta firmware, up on the site?


Yes, as detailed above. From what I'm seeing it's hit and miss. I'm hoping that the users without issues are the majority. Perhaps it's an issue with the individual modules themselves?
DDJ
Is anyone having success syncing through Yarns? MPC1000 > Yarns is the brain of my system. If no one has had success with it I will be canceling my order.
efexx
That‘s exact same reason I sold it. And no response from customer service after opening a ticket.

meatbeatz wrote:
I recently tried slaving VG8+ and disappointed to find it was all over the place. :(

Originally I was slaving to Metropolis and didn't notice any issues but since I've tried ERM Multiclock and SW Sync with no luck. I'll try messing with the level/PW in SW Sync and report back. Sequencers that cannot sync are useless imo. I don't have the time or patience these days to piss around troubleshooting so if I can't sync it to my DAW next try I'll have to sell it to someone else to figure out. Unfortunately due to this I'll expect to be losing a fair chunk of money on it.

Malekko, is this something you intend on fixing? Your input would be greatly appreciated!
DDJ
I've canceled my order and will wait until these can consistently be synced in slave mode. Either that or until I'll found something else. Bummer.
limpmeat
Is the new beta firmware publicly available?
dharmatronix
limpmeat wrote:
Is the new beta firmware publicly available?


Yes: https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/

1.0.12b is latest beta, this fixed my timing issues but completely killed the random function.

Happy to have the timing fixed though
rico loverde
efexx wrote:
That‘s exact same reason I sold it. And no response from customer service after opening a ticket.

meatbeatz wrote:
I recently tried slaving VG8+ and disappointed to find it was all over the place. :(

Originally I was slaving to Metropolis and didn't notice any issues but since I've tried ERM Multiclock and SW Sync with no luck. I'll try messing with the level/PW in SW Sync and report back. Sequencers that cannot sync are useless imo. I don't have the time or patience these days to piss around troubleshooting so if I can't sync it to my DAW next try I'll have to sell it to someone else to figure out. Unfortunately due to this I'll expect to be losing a fair chunk of money on it.

Malekko, is this something you intend on fixing? Your input would be greatly appreciated!
paul@malekkoheavyindustry.com is who you want to contact. not many of us from Malekko are on here anymore. Ben Davis is occasionally but hess been buried lately in coding. Hit up Paul, it may be a couple days as he's just getting back from a tour in Europe. Ill mention to everyone there are some concerns.
meatbeatz
rico loverde wrote:
efexx wrote:
That‘s exact same reason I sold it. And no response from customer service after opening a ticket.

meatbeatz wrote:
I recently tried slaving VG8+ and disappointed to find it was all over the place. :(

Originally I was slaving to Metropolis and didn't notice any issues but since I've tried ERM Multiclock and SW Sync with no luck. I'll try messing with the level/PW in SW Sync and report back. Sequencers that cannot sync are useless imo. I don't have the time or patience these days to piss around troubleshooting so if I can't sync it to my DAW next try I'll have to sell it to someone else to figure out. Unfortunately due to this I'll expect to be losing a fair chunk of money on it.

Malekko, is this something you intend on fixing? Your input would be greatly appreciated!
paul@malekkoheavyindustry.com is who you want to contact. not many of us from Malekko are on here anymore. Ben Davis is occasionally but hess been buried lately in coding. Hit up Paul, it may be a couple days as he's just getting back from a tour in Europe. Ill mention to everyone there are some concerns.


Thanks!
lloydb
dharmatronix wrote:
limpmeat wrote:
Is the new beta firmware publicly available?


Yes: https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/

1.0.12b is latest beta, this fixed my timing issues but completely killed the random function.

Happy to have the timing fixed though


Same here. Timing is solid. Faders are responsive. But no random.
rico loverde
Keyword is "beta" a proper release will be up soon hopefully fixing the above issues. Keep an eye on the Malekko site. I brought the above issues up with the crew. Thanks for your guys patience
aroom
the new firmware is out (no more in beta)

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/
reodjectz
aroom wrote:
the new firmware is out (no more in beta)

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/


Exciting - does the random work now? (above beta users were saying there are issues).
bemushroomed
It's a bit annoying to not have a "run" CV in so that it starts when i start my Pam's New workout, for example. I'll leave a suggestion to be able to switch "reset" (to be "run" instead). If that's somehow possible.
aroom
reodjectz wrote:
does the random work now?


yes it does

the behavior on start stop changed a little bit also from the beta. it's much more snappy. I've only tried with my tempi, in don't have pnw
lohacker
Has calibration procedure changed with latest firmware? I can't enter in this mode after the upgrade, holding prob and dly on power up did nothing here hmmm.....
aroom
I've also noticed that about the calibration. It was already like this with the beta. I've mentioned that to Malekko but didn't get a response yet. Some other points about the update procedure are not up to date, like which leds are dimmed when you push the teensy button. Not a big deal but it can always be a bit confusing.

I'm also interested about the random behavior with a voltage block slaved. Is there a way to avoid all outputs from the VB to be randomized ?

gonner wrote:
When Voltage Block is slaved to Varigate and the Varigate is receiving a random gate is there a way to remove the Voltage Block's output from being randomized?

On the Varigate you can do this by pressing mute then save, and choosing an outpu to remove.
CountZero
lohacker wrote:
Has calibration procedure changed with latest firmware? I can't enter in this mode after the upgrade, holding prob and dly on power up did nothing here hmmm.....


I was told with the new updates that you no longer need to manually calibrate. It's now part of the update process.
spruce999
yeeees I hope this will work for me now! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
lohacker
CountZero wrote:
lohacker wrote:
Has calibration procedure changed with latest firmware? I can't enter in this mode after the upgrade, holding prob and dly on power up did nothing here hmmm.....


I was told with the new updates that you no longer need to manually calibrate. It's now part of the update process.


Ah good to know, thanks! thumbs up
muffdiver
How are the new updates working out for folks? Considering pulling the trigger on this soon.
bassmaster
Hi there, using my VG8 plus with VB combo with an external trigger by the Circadian Rhythms it syncs perfect.
However when I stop the CR (so its clock) the VG takes over on its internal clock, normal behaviour?
spruce999
It's working great so far
wavedepletion
Updated to the latest firmware and I seem to have been able to perform calibration okay. Not sure if it was necessary.

The LED's that light up in update mode are nothing like the procedure describes (but as I recall they never were for previous updates either, seriously, i just don't get it ). Either way, the firmware upload worked and time will tell if the issues I had are fixed.
fattyparts
i'm trying to update, but have no idea which button they are referring to when they say "Push the button on the back of the Varigate 8+ module and hold for a few seconds. “Clock Out”, End Out” and “CV 2” LEDs will be dimly lit."

do they mean the front panel, or somewhere near the USB socket? soz if i'm being daft, but other than the ones on the front panel, i don't see any button?
aroom
here :
fattyparts
nice one!! your help is very much appreciated. hopefully i won't electrocute myself!
spruce999
This update is a game changer for me - everything works great. What I found is that I can't save pattern after randomizing it. I'm not sure if this feature was available in older versions but maybe there is some kind of workaround?
fjoesz
everything works fine now!
there's only one bug left for me with syncing iy

when it recieves a reset trigger and a clock signal together the first step is weird long and it picks up later at a wrong step

the workaround I use with varigate 8 and protools is: I don't send it reset triggers from the µmidi. I just feed it a trigger to reset it before I press play in protools. sync as hell!
whocat
Just to make sure: will a firmware update keep all my sequences saved in place? I don't want to loose my presets. ?
geetee
whocat wrote:
Just to make sure: will a firmware update keep all my sequences saved in place? I don't want to loose my presets. ?


You won't loose your presets.
AndiSt
I got my Varigate 8+ today. Tempo knob is not working. I installed the latest firmware, calibrated, ran the units on different busses etc. Nothing worked. Later, I discovered that also the CLK IN is not working properly: the unit steps, but the steps are irregular and resets are executed randomly.
Any suggestions what I can do before sending it back? No response from Malekko technical support so far.

I am generally disappointed. I had several issues with "complex" modules from different manufacturers (Expert Sleepers, Mutable Instruments) and I don't know how many hours I have wasted handling faulty products. It seems that sloppy firmware programming and/or sloppy quality controls are the norm in Euroracks space. Very annoying, at least for people who are interested in making music and not gear only.

My plans to get a Voltage Block are put on hold for the time being. Browsing through this thread, I get the impression that Malekko sequencers do have systematic issues.

UPDATE: Malekko support did get back to me eventually, but was not able to provide assistance. I was told by my seller to check whether I have certain modules (from a different manufacturer) on the same bus (I was running the Varigate as the only module on a bus...). It seems that there are modules which interfere with the Varigate 8+ (which means that either Malekko or other manufacturers violate the Eurorack standard). My seller eventually showed mercy and allowed me to exchange my module for another one. The new Varigate 8+ works, no more issues.
nedrush
Can I put in a firmware request for a mode where each gate can be triggered manually from the buttons, so I can audition where it's going without running the sequencer.

Many thanks.
dharmatronix
spruce999 wrote:
This update is a game changer for me - everything works great. What I found is that I can't save pattern after randomizing it. I'm not sure if this feature was available in older versions but maybe there is some kind of workaround?


Same for me, although my particular unit never has been able to do this, from my earlier contacts with tech support there were a few units that did this. The hope was future firmware would fix it, but thus far has not, kinda weird if yours did work on old firmware but doesn’t on new?

I love the V8 even without this feature, but it would be great to have
tommygee
Got mine a few days and have no issues so far. Was happily surprised to get no latency issues when being clocked to my DAW as well applause
spruce999
dharmatronix wrote:
spruce999 wrote:
This update is a game changer for me - everything works great. What I found is that I can't save pattern after randomizing it. I'm not sure if this feature was available in older versions but maybe there is some kind of workaround?


Same for me, although my particular unit never has been able to do this, from my earlier contacts with tech support there were a few units that did this. The hope was future firmware would fix it, but thus far has not, kinda weird if yours did work on old firmware but doesn’t on new?

I love the V8 even without this feature, but it would be great to have


Try to set randomization to less then max and it should work!
tommygee
If I progam gates triggering long sustaining notes I will hear the pitch CV of the steps with no gates. Is there a easy way to avoid this ?
reodjectz
tommygee wrote:
If I progam gates triggering long sustaining notes I will hear the pitch CV of the steps with no gates. Is there a easy way to avoid this ?


A sample and hold? Or set the unused steps to the same value of the previous (will not work with random or pendulum obviously). So a S+H will probably be the best for you. What is great about using S+H in your sequences is you can pull your notes from the same sequence at different times / clock rates and get different interrelated patterns.
dharmatronix
spruce999 wrote:
dharmatronix wrote:
spruce999 wrote:
This update is a game changer for me - everything works great. What I found is that I can't save pattern after randomizing it. I'm not sure if this feature was available in older versions but maybe there is some kind of workaround?


Same for me, although my particular unit never has been able to do this, from my earlier contacts with tech support there were a few units that did this. The hope was future firmware would fix it, but thus far has not, kinda weird if yours did work on old firmware but doesn’t on new?

I love the V8 even without this feature, but it would be great to have


Try to set randomization to less then max and it should work!



Holy shit dude, you are absolutely correct, that did the trick, THANK YOU!!!
tommygee
tommygee wrote:
If I progam gates triggering long sustaining notes I will hear the pitch CV of the steps with no gates. Is there a easy way to avoid this ?


So I discovered the link cv channel to gate channel function. Awesome. Is it possible to link the cv channels of the Voltage Block to the gate channels of the Varigate 8 ?
AndiSt
The Varigate 8+ is a very complete gate sequencer with a great user interface. One thing that I am missing is a global swing/shuffle parameter. Swing/shuffle for individual steps are possible using DLY, of course. But many times, I want to apply swing/shuffle to all patterns playing. Additionally, I am missing a manual step function, i.e. the sequencer advancing one event when pressing a button.
The above is an omission which belongs to the must-have category. A nice-to-have addition would be to able to set whether RPT changes the length of a pattern or not: currently, it doesn't, so RPT can be used to create rolls. This is OK for percussive patterns. For other purposes, it would be interesting to have repeats which change the overall length of the pattern in the sense that each repetition increases pattern length by one step (this is basically how repeats are implemented on the Ryk M-185, a well-known Roland System 100m format sequencer).
blizzt
Does the pulsewidth on the varigate also respond to probability? I havent seen this documented on the manual...

I'm totally spoiled on the probability function on the varigate. It's so perfect to be able to create controled ever evolving patterns. I was contemplating the varigate 4 but 8 steps feel too few. Does any other squencer on the market do this? Maybe a combination of different modules?
Hirsbro
blizzt wrote:
Does the pulsewidth on the varigate also respond to probability? I havent seen this documented on the manual...

I'm totally spoiled on the probability function on the varigate. It's so perfect to be able to create controled ever evolving patterns. I was contemplating the varigate 4 but 8 steps feel too few. Does any other squencer on the market do this? Maybe a combination of different modules?



Yes it does smile hold probability button down while pressing PW, the PW button should now flash and you can set the maximum PW and it will randomize within that range (as far as I remember)
Estes
Is it just me - I sometimes forgot to go out of the mute menu and then I accidently switch patterns. It happens really often how can I stop being dumb?
danfastlikeflan
Ive seen a lot of praise for the varigate and it seems very powerful but how enjoyable/easy is it to make patterns. Half of the appeal of hardware stuff is the lack of immediacy. Does anyone have both a beatstep pro and the varigate 8 that can compare the two?
fjoesz
the probability on everything(notes, pw, glide, delay, gates, repeats) is really king. you can go from super tight to very very random
sometimes it's a bit quirky to get the exact amount you want with the sliders, but that doesn't spoil the fun at all
andrewpiano
Has anyone had issues like a slider being unresponsive. Or something where all the sliders suddenly become unresponsive? I picked a Varigate 8 up over the summer and it's been super buggy. The latest issue is that slider #3 seems to have no effect. I guess I'll try the latest firmware update but I'm figuring I have a defective unit. Very disappointing!
andrewpiano
Ok, reporting back after updating firmware. Same bugginess where some sliders are skipped and not responsive. Defective unit. Bummer!
anderson303
Had a lot of issues, tons of random stuff but mainly the CV and quantization did work until the last update... now all of the sudden the internal clock doesn't work? start stop does nothing until I add external clock. anyone experience this?
bemushroomed
danfastlikeflan wrote:
Ive seen a lot of praise for the varigate and it seems very powerful but how enjoyable/easy is it to make patterns. Half of the appeal of hardware stuff is the lack of immediacy. Does anyone have both a beatstep pro and the varigate 8 that can compare the two?


I had the beatstep pro, it was nice and the build quality and feel was top notch.. it's also nicer to play on than on a tiny module, obviously. But i still prefer the varigate 8 over it, but it's mainly because i have the voltage block and together they're really powerful. I do think it's slightly easier to get around on the varigate 8 than on the Beatstep Pro too..
anderson303
anderson303 wrote:
Had a lot of issues, tons of random stuff but mainly the CV and quantization did work until the last update... now all of the sudden the internal clock doesn't work? start stop does nothing until I add external clock. anyone experience this?


I reinstalled VG8 1.0.12 again, calibrated, still no clock until i wiggled the tempo. makes no sense but it's working again for now.
OrpHologram
Has anybody else been having an issue with delay mode not working? I saw that somebody else was having this same issue a few pages back but I could never find an answer. Whenever I set the sliders in delay mode I notice it has no effect. Sometimes it will delay and sometimes it will skip over the delay all together and gate normally. At odd times it will trigger phantom gates when all when the probability sliders are set to 0 and the delay is set to high. The repeat and other functions seems to work fine, however if I try to enter probability mode for repeat, delay, and so on, I have to press them together several times to get it to engage where it’s flashing. Lots of strange things going on. I'm on the latest firmware (1.0.12). Wonder if I should roll back or is this a faulty unit? Any help would be appreciated.
wavedepletion
OrpHologram wrote:
At odd times it will trigger phantom gates when all when the probability sliders are set to 0 and the delay is set to high.


I noticed this also, on the latest firmware. It will sometimes add a gate when you increase the delay for a step that has probability set to 0. With the delay enabled it's as if the probably has automatically gone to 100%. At first I thought maybe that it was intended behaviour - that if you're adding a delay it just assumes you want a gate there. But it is inconsistent and happens on some steps but not others. I'll go back to probability mode and confirm there's no gate supposed to be firing there. Then I'll clear everything and it won't happen again for a while.

I've come to accept at this point that this module is always going to be a little quirky.
fjoesz
if varigate 8+ got a clock signal and later I remove the clok input, then it won't start anymore unless I do a power cycle

syncing is better but still quirky

when it recieves a clock signal and a reset trigger at the same time it gets really confused

I reset it now with a gate before I start my DAW. that sort of works

but still, sending midi notes and use the gates as clock works waaaaay better
wavedepletion
fjoesz wrote:
if varigate 8+ got a clock signal and later I remove the clok input, then it won't start anymore unless I do a power cycle


Turning the tempo trimpot gets it going again for me.
OrpHologram
wavedepletion wrote:
OrpHologram wrote:
At odd times it will trigger phantom gates when all when the probability sliders are set to 0 and the delay is set to high.


I noticed this also, on the latest firmware. It will sometimes add a gate when you increase the delay for a step that has probability set to 0. With the delay enabled it's as if the probably has automatically gone to 100%. At first I thought maybe that it was intended behaviour - that if you're adding a delay it just assumes you want a gate there. But it is inconsistent and happens on some steps but not others. I'll go back to probability mode and confirm there's no gate supposed to be firing there. Then I'll clear everything and it won't happen again for a while.

I've come to accept at this point that this module is always going to be a little quirky.


I thought it was the newest firmware update as well so I rolled back to the previous version and it still happens. I've discovered that if I hold bank/all while in delay mode and adjust the sliders to the desired delay amount with the same amount of delay on all sliders it becomes stable. However if I move any of the the other sliders to a different delay setting is when it starts to get jittery and inconsistent again. I also noticed that pulse width has to be at minimum as well on all sliders to get a stable delay.

I spoke to Paul from Malekko about it and he tells me this definitely isn't normal behavior and has offered to repair it. I'm waiting to hear back.
jvt
Have there been any firmware updates that extend the slowest tempo beyond (I think someone previously mentioned) 120 BPM?
Aaronautical001
Hi all,
Can anyone confirm the update procedure works with Windows 10? Instructions only refer to older versions of Windows.

My varigate seems to have developed a series of bugs with unresponsive sliders. I'm hoping an update will fix.

Thanks!
Southfork
OrpHologram wrote:
wavedepletion wrote:
OrpHologram wrote:
At odd times it will trigger phantom gates when all when the probability sliders are set to 0 and the delay is set to high.


I noticed this also, on the latest firmware. It will sometimes add a gate when you increase the delay for a step that has probability set to 0. With the delay enabled it's as if the probably has automatically gone to 100%. At first I thought maybe that it was intended behaviour - that if you're adding a delay it just assumes you want a gate there. But it is inconsistent and happens on some steps but not others. I'll go back to probability mode and confirm there's no gate supposed to be firing there. Then I'll clear everything and it won't happen again for a while.

I've come to accept at this point that this module is always going to be a little quirky.


I thought it was the newest firmware update as well so I rolled back to the previous version and it still happens. I've discovered that if I hold bank/all while in delay mode and adjust the sliders to the desired delay amount with the same amount of delay on all sliders it becomes stable. However if I move any of the the other sliders to a different delay setting is when it starts to get jittery and inconsistent again. I also noticed that pulse width has to be at minimum as well on all sliders to get a stable delay.

I spoke to Paul from Malekko about it and he tells me this definitely isn't normal behavior and has offered to repair it. I'm waiting to hear back.


I get phantom gates when adjusting the delay sometimes. Hopefully it can be fixed with a firmware update soon.
thelizard
It might be worth starting a new thread, but I haven't seen anyone mention this Varigate 4+ that's now up for pre-order at Control: https://www.ctrl-mod.com/products/malekko-varigate-4-pre-order
aroom
thelizard wrote:
It might be worth starting a new thread, but I haven't seen anyone mention this Varigate 4+ that's now up for pre-order at Control: https://www.ctrl-mod.com/products/malekko-varigate-4-pre-order



here : https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=191991&start=0
tibbon
How can I do smoother racktecting ramp ups with the Varigate 8?
poeticg33k
[img][/img]i just got a varigate 8+ the other night and i am trying to make it master for beatstep pro...i have a din y cable to 3.5mm TS that i use to clock PNW and that works just fine, but when i plug it into the clock out on varigate 8+ to beatstep pro i get it to trigger but not in a functioning way, the BSP just cycles really fast no matter what tempo is set to on the varigate8+.

i wouldnt mind making BSP master going into varigate then the clock out to PNW, but i havent been able to clock varigate 8+ from BSP or PNW.

any help would be greatly appreciated as the manuals havent helped yet.
SB-SIX
The beatstep has a clock in, you can use that straigth from the clock out of the v8
poeticg33k
SB-SIX wrote:
The beatstep has a clock in, you can use that straigth from the clock out of the v8


i tired that with my din to 3.5mm cable and BSP triggered but not in time and only played step 1, and with just a patch cable and nothing.

EDIT: will try with a 3.5mm TRS y cable to TS 3.5mm tonight, hope that will get me going.

EDIT_02: thank you for your help! didn't realize that in order to clock BSP from Varigate 8+ that i had to also press play on BSP prior to pressing play on Varigate 8+...should have figured that cause that's the same way i have to clock Varigate 8+ from BSP.
SB-SIX
No I mean a normal euro patchcable from v8 clock out directly to the clock in of the BSP. That works, tried it several times here. BSP must be in clock sync mode.
poeticg33k
SB-SIX wrote:
No I mean a normal euro patchcable from v8 clock out directly to the clock in of the BSP. That works, tried it several times here. BSP must be in clock sync mode.


ok will check which mode and try that again. thank you!
OHEXOH
Having issues here when patching a gate into the reset input. When I do this, probability stops working (i.e.: a 50% setting triggers 100% of the time). In fact, anything above around 10% triggers 100% of the time.

I've contacted Malekko support - here's hoping it's fixable.

[Edit: support replied to me within 24hrs saying they could recreate the problem and would look into it after NAMM)

OH/
djthopa
Im sorry if this has been asked before, i asked on the voltage block post, maybe it shoulb be asked here.

How many voltage blocks / varigate 4+ can be conected on the same busboard to save presets to a single varigate 8?

How does the varigate 8+ now to with other device load the saved preset?

Cheers
ChurchyLaFemme
Hey guys!

I have been wiggling with my Varigate 8+ for a couple of weeks now, and I've been sort of hot/cold on it -- love the feature set (repeats!!!), not too keen on manually inputting CV sequences (the jumpy input stick are a PITA).

Upon firing it up this morning, however, it appears to be functioning differently/malfunctioning, and I was hoping to get some help. Basically, the LED that shows which step of the sequence it's on is not moving, and the trigger outputs are moving through the 16 steps as they normally do, while the CV outputs only advance to the next stage after every complete cycle (so at 1/16th the rate).

Did I accidentally put it into a different sequencing mode? The last thing I did with it was tinker with song mode, which was a lot of fun. I hope I'm not encountering a bug -- was really enjoying this module, and it's my only sequencer at the moment.

Anyway, any help is much appreciated! Thank you!

Cheers,
Churchy

EDIT: Figured the issue out. Now I'm just dealing with new CV sequences playing the previous sequence's first note/step when chaining them in song mode. Grrr. This module is so close to being awesome!! But it has certain fatal flaws that keep it from being a reliable tool for me.
seanrieger
Tropic Al wrote:


Yes.
I had the same problem when I first updated the firmware:

From Ben D:

In the few rare cases that the sliders have stopped working after firmware update the unit will need to be recalibrated. To do this hold Prob and Delay while turning on your case with sliders 1-8 to moved to the far left and 9-16 to the right. Once the unit has booted with all LEDs on press Prob and RPT to exit calibration mode.


Thank you for this. I just got my Varigate 8+ today from Perfect Circuit and nothing was working. I was bummed that I needed to return it and recalibrating it fixed everything.
Cyber-N Powers
Is anyone finding that the Voltage Block sometimes starts a step behind when in slave mode? It starts and syncs reliably when patched in clock mode. Varigate 8+ is on latest firmware.
blizzt
Clock in on my module was not working at all, plus it will not play some steps on some gates.

Installed new firmware and everything works how its supposed to be. Sending clock from logic pro through malekko SYNC, everything working!!
chapelier fou
After a while, i'm getting back to my varigate 8+. It seems to be working better than in the past and i'm not annoyed with bugs any more.

I couldn't go through the whole topic again, so i hope you don't mind me asking a few questions :

1. Is there any way to see a parameter current value without changing it ?

2. Is there a way to save/load memory backups ?

3. Don't you find yourself accidentally pressing and holding RECALL a lot ?

4. Does live input mode replace current Prob settings by 100% ?

5. More generally, do you feel comfortable playing live with it ? Can you have a real "instrument" feeling ? Are there some show killers, like, for instance, hitting SAVE instead of RECALL ?
JoeFuture
I've been playing around with SONG mode today, and I've run into a snag. Each pattern is playing 4x instead of 1x. To program a song, I hold SONG and then press each GATE button only once. Does this have something to do with clock division/multiplication?
Cyber-N Powers
It could be. Check out the END LED. If it lights up after every 4 bars, you've clock divided one of the tracks. I think the length of a pattern is defined by the longest track.
JoeFuture
Derp. That’s it. I was clocking with quarter notes and I had 4x multiplied the channels to get 16th notes. I’ll 4x the input clock and take the patterns back to 1x, and I’m good.
f33d
What I'd like eagerly to know is how many different settings & which one there are to every "parameter" - are there always 12 or 13 of everything because of the "12 note led screen"? 12 delay times 12 probabilities 12 repeat settings?

Naively I kinda thought it would be "maxed out" like 1024 settings, or 128step midi resolution cool to tune into the fine grained territories, obviously it would give much more subtle variations with 1024, a whole world to explore when randomizing - e.g. for repeat I'd wish at least something like 1/2, 1/4, - 1/128 incl. the dotted etc. repeat-setting-variations would be nice. similar with delay...

one could argue that it would be harder to repeat exactly, so it is a more exact control vs more variations - I am def. with more variations...

also randomization does not much - I chose already the max setting "10" via bank + prob + enabled all gates to randomization - I would expect every step gets new setting out of every available setting every new round - instead even on max randomization barely anything happens - no expected crazy-ness. Good to observe when clearing all channels & starting the randomization with a held high gate - slooowly some gates creep in, other barely appear and overall it barely changes. In short: it is quite a conservative randomization waah
Cyber-N Powers
Randomisation increased for me after upgrading firmware to latest. Before then it did seem rather subtle.
nolongerhuman
I've read through most all of this thread and a few others, but I still haven't quite understood how much the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block share when connected to the same bus. Is it just clock, or is it more than that? I have a VB, and I am looking at either the 8+ or the 4+ and deciding how much space I want to dedicate in my rack.
chapelier fou
nolongerhuman wrote:
I've read through most all of this thread and a few others, but I still haven't quite understood how much the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block share when connected to the same bus. Is it just clock, or is it more than that? I have a VB, and I am looking at either the 8+ or the 4+ and deciding how much space I want to dedicate in my rack.

It's clock, reset, and also the preset system.

Anyone would share feelings about my post above ?
Southfork
chapelier fou wrote:
nolongerhuman wrote:
I've read through most all of this thread and a few others, but I still haven't quite understood how much the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block share when connected to the same bus. Is it just clock, or is it more than that? I have a VB, and I am looking at either the 8+ or the 4+ and deciding how much space I want to dedicate in my rack.

It's clock, reset, and also the preset system.

Anyone would share feelings about my post above ?


Exactly that. The voltage block is a fantastic modulator but not having the ability to tie tracks clocking information from the varigate 8 to the voltage block is a huge dissapointment imo.
nolongerhuman
chapelier fou wrote:

It's clock, reset, and also the preset system.

Anyone would share feelings about my post above ?


That's helpful, thank you.

It actually confirms what I was worried about in regard to the pair, that's a rather barebones implementation.
bemushroomed
you can build / save entire songs so it's great to have both. it ties presets together, so it's not like having two separate sequencers its more like having 1 very powerful.
anderson303
Just to be clear, this is a VERY buggy module, correct? I often have to turn my rack on and off to get particular sliders back from stuck. they seem to hang often.

That seems like the only problem I still have. I've had so many issues with it but all of the issues except this seem to have gone away with updates.
cackland
Briefly read over all the posts in this thread and was looking at purchasing a varigate 8+ myself however now wondering if I should bother considering all the issues everyone seems to be having.

Would those who have it recommend it or should I turn my attention elsewhere or even perhaps the varigate 4+?

Thanks
anderson303
cackland wrote:
Briefly read over all the posts in this thread and was looking at purchasing a varigate 8+ myself however now wondering if I should bother considering all the issues everyone seems to be having.

Would those who have it recommend it or should I turn my attention elsewhere or even perhaps the varigate 4+?

Thanks


I won't be selling it, still my favorite sequencer, I just wish Malekko would deal with their Firmware issues. Such a pain to restart my system just for this one module so often.

All the sync issues I have with it I've mostly found workarounds for and sync issues are not exclusive to Malekko sequencers. Thank god for midi delay compensation.
cackland
Hmmm the fact that you have to restart your whole system each time you want to use the module is not a good thing and would most definitely put me off. Additionally having to find ‘work arounds’ for issues that aren’t intended is another concern, rather than having the module just ‘work’ as intended!

Any thoughts or issues with the varigate 4+?
anderson303
cackland wrote:
Hmmm the fact that you have to restart your whole system each time you want to use the module is not a good thing and would most definitely put me off. Additionally having to find ‘work arounds’ for issues that aren’t intended is another concern, rather than having the module just ‘work’ as intended!

Any thoughts or issues with the varigate 4+?


Not each time. but often. I haven't tried the Varigate 4+ but I'd get that one anyway if I had a do over because they added CV and I never really go over 4 channels anyway. Not the case for the VoltageBlock though.. I can easily send 8 channels of CV all over the place.

For whatever reason I've never had any problems/bugs with the VB.
cackland
Thanks for your honesty Anderson
anderson303
cackland wrote:
Thanks for your honesty Anderson


Keep in mind though that not only is it 4 channels instead of 8, it's also 8 sliders instead if 16 which could be a deal breaker.
cackland
That is true. Is there a ‘page’ function of sorts that allows for more than 8 physical steps?
anderson303
cackland wrote:
That is true. Is there a ‘page’ function of sorts that allows for more than 8 physical steps?


I was wondering the same thing. I had the original 4 and I'd use a doepfer switcher but it wasn't very fluid/user friendly. It's nice having 16 steps and after I wrote about my "do over" I remembered that.

Frankly the Varigate 8 is a beautifully designed sequencer and better than any I've had over 20 years of noodling, eurorack or otherwise... when it works. So annoying when it doesn't. none of my other modules are buggy, I don't know what's up with this firmware and all the updates/why they can't get it right.
cackland
That’s really a shame as am still considering the Varigate 8+, just not overly keen on having to deal with buggy modules of such.
Cyber-N Powers
These threads do tend to end up becoming overly critical over time, but there is a lot going for the Varigate 8+ even with its 'quirks' (Can anyone explain the tempo range???) Brilliant design, functionality and no display which ticks the box for me. I hope firmware development will continue to iron out the bugs. It took Arturia two years or more to fix the Beatstep Pro which coincided with the release of a black version. Now there's an idea..
NS4W
If I trigger RND with a gate, will it

1. randomize once?
2. randomize as long as the gate is high?
3. randomize until a new gate is sent, like a toggle?
4. randomize until there is a gate sent to freeze?


This thread is living proof of a manual needing an update hihi
I managed to fix most of my troubles by reading these 29 pages though.
stingray
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Is anyone finding that the Voltage Block sometimes starts a step behind when in slave mode? It starts and syncs reliably when patched in clock mode. Varigate 8+ is on latest firmware.


Noticing this issue a bunch lately on the VB. So I tried to even manually patch the clock and reset and it still happens. Usually takes around 3 times for the reset to actually line up. This needs to be fixed. My breaks are turning into four on the floor halppp!
TemplarK
I've been looking for something that can produce custom swing for some time, for giving sequences some rhythm as well as percussion seqeuncing.

Is there anything else that compares to the V8+ in terms of being able to create really complex sequences with custom swing or is this the best in class for that?

Basically is this what i should get next xD
greenanother
Oops! wrong thread. hihi
brandonlogic
TemplarK wrote:

Is there anything else that compares to the V8+ in terms of being able to create really complex sequences with custom swing or is this the best in class for that?


Im not sure how v8+ handles swing, but the Nerdseq you can create complex sequences and custom swings. every step has a "groove" parameter that is basically the length of the step, be defult its set to 6. so if you had a 4 step sequence it, normal default playback would be 6666 for groove parameter. if you wanted simple swing you could change the grove parameters 7575, or more 8484, or get as crazy as you want.
TemplarK
brandonlogic wrote:
TemplarK wrote:

Is there anything else that compares to the V8+ in terms of being able to create really complex sequences with custom swing or is this the best in class for that?


Im not sure how v8+ handles swing, but the Nerdseq you can create complex sequences and custom swings. every step has a "groove" parameter that is basically the length of the step, be defult its set to 6. so if you had a 4 step sequence it, normal default playback would be 6666 for groove parameter. if you wanted simple swing you could change the grove parameters 7575, or more 8484, or get as crazy as you want.


Thanks, I'll look into it.

I have a couple of V8+ questions though.

a) can the CV be "unquantized" on the A+B channels CV channels.

b) can gates from multiple steps be tied together like on Circidan if you make the pulsewidth to 100%?
fjoesz
all my sync problems VANISHED with syncing to endorphin shuttle control
you can configure the shuttle to have 10ms longer triggers and gates
never been so tight!
Bibokonkret
hi, is there any way to save patterns externally (usb?)? i cant find anything
in the manual. will all patterns be lost when updating? thanks!
SB-SIX
Quote:

I have a couple of V8+ questions though.

a) can the CV be "unquantized" on the A+B channels CV channels.

b) can gates from multiple steps be tied together like on Circidan if you make the pulsewidth to 100%?


a) Yes
b) Yes
reodjectz
SO.... I had firmware 1.12 on my VG8+ and everything was great. EXCEPT the record mode supposed to be accessed by holding 2 seconds. in v1.12 this didn't do anything, but otherwise was FAR more stable.

I now see that the 1.12v isn't even on the firmware page anymore. I downgraded to 1.11v and now have a problem where some probability sliders get stuck and cannot be cleared. The slider physically works as it changes things on different trigger channels or different parameters (PW etc). BUT I cannot change / clear the probability setting without clearing the whole trigger track.

I rarely use the the recording function so I think I am going to go back to 1.12, but I wonder if anyone else has these issues. And what is wrong with 1.12 (other than the probability thing) that they would keep a buggy firmware version on their page?
Igor Berlin
is there a way to change PW on all 16 steps at once?
reodjectz
Igor Berlin wrote:
is there a way to change PW on all 16 steps at once?


Hold bank/all while adjusting slider, works for all parameters.
Igor Berlin
reodjectz wrote:
Igor Berlin wrote:
is there a way to change PW on all 16 steps at once?


Hold bank/all while adjusting slider, works for all parameters.


Great. Thanks!!
Igor Berlin
reodjectz wrote:
SO.... I had firmware 1.12 on my VG8+ and everything was great. EXCEPT the record mode supposed to be accessed by holding 2 seconds. in v1.12 this didn't do anything, but otherwise was FAR more stable.


They changed it to holding recall than pressing prob. To be able to get in and out of recording mode faster.
reodjectz
Igor Berlin wrote:
reodjectz wrote:
SO.... I had firmware 1.12 on my VG8+ and everything was great. EXCEPT the record mode supposed to be accessed by holding 2 seconds. in v1.12 this didn't do anything, but otherwise was FAR more stable.


They changed it to holding recall than pressing prob. To be able to get in and out of recording mode faster.


AAAH thank you - I found the 1.12 much more stable. I'll re-flash ASAP.
Aaronautical001
Does anyone know if the gates from different channels can be OR'd together on the VG8 using a passive mult?
dubonaire
Aaronautical001 wrote:
Does anyone know if the gates from different channels can be OR'd together on the VG8 using a passive mult?


The rule is you do not connect inputs to inputs. You can use something like Intellijel's passive OR module which uses diodes to prevent that from happening. It's only $45.
Aaronautical001
dubonaire wrote:
Aaronautical001 wrote:
Does anyone know if the gates from different channels can be OR'd together on the VG8 using a passive mult?


The rule is you do not connect inputs to inputs. You can use something like Intellijel's passive OR module which uses diodes to prevent that from happening. It's only $45.


Dubonaire-Thanks for responding! I'm aware of the dangers with connecting outputs with outputs, I assume this is what you meant? I know some manufacturers protect their gate outputs (makenoise) or outputs (mannequins) so this can be done. I'm guessing this is not the case for malekko then.
Thanks for the heads up on the intellijel passive OR, I was not aware of the, will check it out thumbs up
dubonaire
Aaronautical001 wrote:
dubonaire wrote:
Aaronautical001 wrote:
Does anyone know if the gates from different channels can be OR'd together on the VG8 using a passive mult?


The rule is you do not connect inputs to inputs. You can use something like Intellijel's passive OR module which uses diodes to prevent that from happening. It's only $45.


Dubonaire-Thanks for responding! I'm aware of the dangers with connecting outputs with outputs, I assume this is what you meant? I know some manufacturers protect their gate outputs (makenoise) or outputs (mannequins) so this can be done. I'm guessing this is not the case for malekko then.
Thanks for the heads up on the intellijel passive OR, I was not aware of the, will check it out thumbs up


Yes I meant that. Very jetlagged.
OHEXOH
Wondering if anyone can shed any light on the connection between a CV and Gate channel as I'm having weird behavior.

Right now if I connect CV2 with Gate Track 8 and have a gate trigger on Step 1 then when I go to CV2 I can see only step 1 ever gets triggered. If I add a 2nd gate anywhere on Gate Track 8 then on CV2 the first 2 steps are played—1 for each gate in the order they are triggered and then back to step 1 as Gate Track 8 sequence restarts. If I add a 3rd gate then 3 steps are played on CV2 before it resets back to step 1. Therefore each gate in Gate Track 8 makes the CV2 sequencer move 1 step along and it resets in line with Gate Track 8.

I get this and it mirrors what is said in the manual ("In this mode the CV channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked channel is active.”)

However... this doesn't work if I remove the step 1 gate on Gate Track 8. Now whenever I go back to CV2 it's sequence moves along regardless of the Gate track it’s tied to and it also doesn’t reset at all. In other words, removing the gate from step 1 completely changes the behavior of the CV channel.

Bug?

(Anyone know if the VG4+ works better? I’m seriously thinking of swapping my buggy VG8+ & VB combo for a set of VG4+’s)

Thanks

OH/
fjoesz
one of those varigate 8 bugs. it's known
shouldn't be to hard to fix I guess
anderson303
I just want to circle back to this thread and say I've had zero issues for weeks now since I've upgraded to the latest firmware.

No hanging, no resets or any other randomness.

applause
Flamusic
Hi there,
can someone tell me if i can use the trigger buttons and sliders to play while Varigate is not running ?

Song mode seems not to be saved ?
Is this only here ?
How can the song mode get a reset ?
Sorry a lot of questions smile
teknobryan
does the Varigate 8+ need a buffered mult to send pitch to two VCOs?
aroom
teknobryan wrote:
does the Varigate 8+ need a buffered mult to send pitch to two VCOs?


if you want to send the same pitch to two different VCO, you'll need a buffered mult. with any module.

you could use a passive mult or a stackable cable, put you'll get a small drop with the CV signal. this could damage the quantification.
teknobryan
aroom wrote:
teknobryan wrote:
does the Varigate 8+ need a buffered mult to send pitch to two VCOs?


if you want to send the same pitch to two different VCO, you'll need a buffered mult. with any module.

you could use a passive mult or a stackable cable, put you'll get a small drop with the CV signal. this could damage the quantification.


Thanks. The MakeNoise modules don't require buffered mults for VCO's which is why I'm asking.
aroom
teknobryan wrote:
Thanks. The MakeNoise modules don't require buffered mults for VCO's which is why I'm asking.


I don't understand how this could be possible.

Which specific module from Make Noise are you talking about ? I'm curious.
teknobryan
aroom wrote:
teknobryan wrote:
Thanks. The MakeNoise modules don't require buffered mults for VCO's which is why I'm asking.


I don't understand how this could be possible.

Which specific module from Make Noise are you talking about ? I'm curious.


http://www.makenoisemusic.com/modules/mult

"The Multiple is passive, because the Make Noise system does not require Buffered Multiples since all critical control signals are already buffered in such a way as to provide a large fan-out capability."
aroom
ok, interesting. so I don't now about the VG8+ then, sorry.

I'll be a bit careful about multing gates and clock though, if you're not using it in a Make Noise system.
FrogStar
I maybe wrong, but I believe that Make Noise buffers their CV output sockets, meaning the outs for Maths, Rene, etc. I do not believe there is any buffering system on the VCOs 1/v input jacks. I do not believe such buffeting to even be possible.
That said, you may need/want to buffer fanned pitch cv regardless of its target vco. Of course you can buffer it by running it through the middle channels of Maths or whatnot and accomplish buffering via the MN outputs.
nolongerhuman
teknobryan wrote:

Thanks. The MakeNoise modules don't require buffered mults for VCO's which is why I'm asking.


Yes they do. Whether using the Make Noise mult or the Shared System CV bus, you can't mult the 1/v without noticeable droop. I have a shared system in front of me and can attest that there is obvious voltage differences when used with pitch CV, unless using a buffered mult.

As far as I am aware, in any system, if you want to fan out pitch voltage you need a buffered mult.
jburzy
I have a question about the voltage block in conjunction with the varigate 8+:

I know that the voltage block alone cannot set the root note of the scale, which I consider to be one of it's major limitations. However, the varigate's cv channels can do this. My question is, when slaved to the varigate, does the root note of the scale set on the varigate get passed to the voltage block?
cavidim
anderson303 wrote:
I just want to circle back to this thread and say I've had zero issues for weeks now since I've upgraded to the latest firmware.

No hanging, no resets or any other randomness.

applause


so are you saying after updating FIRMWARE 1.0.12, you don't have any bugs anymore !
Mephitif
jburzy wrote:
does the root note of the scale set on the varigate get passed to the voltage block?


No it doesn't. However, if you want to use a cv channel as a root note you can get a precision adder. I use the LPZW.modules WK1. CV out from varigate 8+ into the WK1, which will set the root note, then just route three outs from the voltage block to the WK1, then out to the oscillators. Set the scales on the voltage block, and BAM. Makes key changes easy too.
Flamusic
cant post the link
f33d
I tried to contact Malekko through the following ways:
- homepage > contact
- through email floating here on muffs around of one of the "malekko people" named Paul, posting in this thread sometimes
- Ben Davis pm here on muffs

no answer at all, 2-3 months passed

So I post it as an "open letter" here. Maybe you guys know some answers or want to chime in or something.

---------------------- START --------------

Dear Malekko,


1) What I'd eagerly like to know is how many different settings are on one slider & which one there are to every "parameter" - are there always 16 or everything because of the "16 note led screen"? 16 different delay times, 16 probabilities, 16 repeat-options, 16 PW-lengths etc. settings?
Before going through the manual & muff-threads I kinda thought it would be "maxed out" like 1024 settings, or at least 128 step midi resolution. Higher resolution is always cool to tune into the fine grained territories. Obviously it would give much more subtle variations with 1024 or 128 step resolution than 16, a whole world to explore when randomizing. Of course 1024 steps does not make sense for every setting, I realize this, e.g. for repeats I'd wish/propose an increasing of rate, while decreasing gate-length when moving the slider to the right. It would be an elegant solution (rate: 1, 1/2, 1/4, - 1/64 incl. the dotted etc. (I counted possible 19 different) + gate-length starting with +1/64 and +1/2 at the end of the slider way - one would have to fine tune, the exact values but that is not hard). That way the repeats would be in time and more gates would have enough „space“ because they trigger at a faster rate, while decreasing in length. From the testing/feeling alone there seem to be much less options on one slider-way of "repeat", similar feeling with the delay, but maybe I don't hear right & there are tons of values? There is just nothing about the values in the manual: which values on what setting & what kind of resolution/ how many.
At least just this simple statement would help us users, who take this musical instrument seriously.

2) I’d wish the randomizing algorithm would be explained in the manual. It seems to me very tame at the moment, barely doing anything (from my analysis only sometimes adding a couple of 100% probabilities(?) not more, so it is even faster to randomize by playing the module.) And I have already the most recent firmware, having all channels randomizing on and having randomizing at max value to exclude user-error. The potential of randomizing is already here: randomize all values of all settings of every active step + together with the freezing option it would be mind-blowing. Being able to freeze a state in a universe of possible patterns. More/fine grained parameter-values would mean a bigger universe....wow! Just imagine this, more radical, randomization of all parameters + freeze. My head explodes how potentially amazing this is & it is probably even easy to program. This feature seems so close & yet so far. waah

3) An option to tie the Varigate's gates to Voltage Block would be great.

4) In regards to Voltage Block - how does smoothing function exactly? Didn't find anything in the manual. Can/would you program it to be similar to 303's glide aka "exponential, constant time glide", which is regarded as very musical. Wouldn't be hard in the digital domain.

------------ END --------------

This is it, now in a slightly improved form for this post. Maybe sb. from Malekko will read it now? What is left to say? - I love the Varigate 8+, it is sooo close to being a mindblowing module & still it is not happening? Damn...

Thanks & Greetings
f33d
aroom
one thing that bother me: when voltage block is slaved, we can't mute the random on the VB tracks.

this issue made the random feature unusable for me.
Flamusic
Dont know if someone recognized it, but a lot more annoying and work flow killing than the most little bugs...
Its not possible to really use Varigate 8+ and Voltageblock with external clock.

If you send external clock to Varigate 8+ and slave the Voltageblock to it...there are gates missing and some klicks and pops coming sometimes. The gate from the Varigate and the CV from the Voltageblock seems to jitter or something.
Its not playing the same loop over and over, sometimes the steps sounding different.

Also when Voltageblock is slaved and Varigate gets a reset, the Voltageblock is a step behind the Varigate.

If you use Voltageblock and Varigate not in slave mode and send out a clock to both inputs (Varigate and VB)
Its running without skipping gates, but the Voltageblock needs an other reset signal than the Varigate, because Varugate skips reset signal and Voltageblock not.

So only method to use it is with internal clock only.
Or I have to mult my clock, send it to booth modules,
send two different reset signals and im not be able to use the
two together like it should be.
Because im in CV mode to make it work and not in slave mode.


And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate.. and will do also sometimes wired stuff like missing gates.
Flamusic
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NoLegs
Mine seems to run fine with an external clock. seriously, i just don't get it
Flamusic
NoLegs wrote:
Mine seems to run fine with an external clock. seriously, i just don't get it


Wrote about the Varigate VB combo.
Varigate alone will play without problems with external clock.
Its more audible with short percussive stuff where the VB is modulating something.
Cyber-N Powers
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.
Flamusic
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.
Flamusic
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.


Have a Doepfer PSU 3 with over 50 % free power, so thats not the prob. The module is out for such a long time, i think it should have been fixed.
NoLegs
Flamusic wrote:
NoLegs wrote:
Mine seems to run fine with an external clock. seriously, i just don't get it


Wrote about the Varigate VB combo.
Varigate alone will play without problems with external clock.
Its more audible with short percussive stuff where the VB is modulating something.


Yeah, I was referring to the Varigate VB combo - I haven't had any issues like you're describing. Have you contacted the manufacturer?
Flamusic
NoLegs wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
NoLegs wrote:
Mine seems to run fine with an external clock. seriously, i just don't get it


Wrote about the Varigate VB combo.
Varigate alone will play without problems with external clock.
Its more audible with short percussive stuff where the VB is modulating something.


Yeah, I was referring to the Varigate VB combo - I haven't had any issues like you're describing. Have you contacted the manufacturer?


Yes, he could replicate and confirm the problems
Cyber-N Powers
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.

The VG8 end out triggers at the end of the longest VG8 track, which could be divided to be the same length as the VB track you want to keep in sync. If you divide a spare VG8 track by 16 it is possible to trigger the VB reset after every 16 bars.
Flamusic
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.

The VG8 end out triggers at the end of the longest VG8 track, which could be divided to be the same length as the VB track you want to keep in sync. If you divide a spare VG8 track by 16 it is possible to trigger the VB reset after every 16 bars.


Ok, its an other little workaraound to make the modules do what two modules wich are dsigned together should do without problems.

But that will not help with the external clock problem.
Support told me, they will work on a firmwire update, but first focsing on the Mantis.
So i dont know, like i said these are not little under the hod bugs, or nice to have features.
These are bugs wich makes the modules very hard to use like its intended. And these are problems wich are easy to notice if you really use the modules.
So i wonder if these problems really gets adressed, because the modules are out a long time and no one seems to noticed it or worry about it.
So if it isnt fixed after two years, i dont know if it really gets fixed.
c411vm
I find an aspect of the current (version 1.0.12 firmware) behaviour of CV channel sequences when linked to a gate channel sequence doesn't suit my style of musical exploration, and would be interested to hear the opinions of others.

When a CV channel is linked to a gate channel, it steps to the next CV value in the sequence each time an open/active gate occurs (as opposed to each time the clock advances the gate sequence). Consider a gate sequence of length x, with y steps set to 100% probability, and a CV sequence of length z (z >= y); provided step one of the gate sequence is one of the active steps, the repeating CV sequence will be defined by the first y steps of the CV sequence, and the CV sequence will be reset to the beginning by the first step of the gate sequence. If z<y, then the CV sequence will "wrap" after z active steps, but, wrapping aside, will be y steps in length, and will be reset to the first step by the first gate step.

However, if a gate sequence with y active steps is defined with an IN-active (0% probability) first step, then the behaviour of the linked CV sequence is very different: it does not repeat the first y steps of the CV channel sequence, but instead will play the z steps of the sequence, wrapping back to the first step after z steps. The CV sequence is not reset to the beginning by the first active step (or any other step) of the gate sequence. This is true regardless of the relationship between y and z.

While some might find this behaviour useful, I find the inconsistency unhelpful. A repeating CV sequence that is simple to create when it includes a active step at the start of a bar/measure, becomes more complex to implement the moment it doesn't have an active step at the start of a bar. I believe I would find it more useful if the first active step of the gate sequence reset the CV sequence back to the first step, regardless of whether the first active step of the gate sequence was the first step of the gate sequence or a subsequent step.

I did express my thoughts in an email to Malekko, and received a response from Paul containing the following text:

<quote>
We thought it would be cool if the cv advanced only when a gate was fired when linked. The cv advance would not have anything to do with the reset at the top (on the 1) of the bar. That way, the cv could be somewhat random depending on the gate's probability, and your cv pattern would progress without regard to the top of the bar.
So then we were asked if we could change the firmware so that the cv would follow the reset when linked. We did.
Now this is where we are:
when you have a cv track linked to a gate track, making gate step 1 100% PROB will reset the cv sequence along with the gate sequence on every bar. If you have gate step 1 set to anything less, the cv will not reset unless gate step 1 triggers. That way you can have the cv progress across bars.
In song mode, when you want a reset (say, after 8 bars), then you make a pattern with gate step 1 set to 100%, the others with no gate on step 1 and set the song sequence.
</quote>

I'd like to hear what others think of the current behaviour; if you prefer it to the behaviour I described as my preference, I'd be interested to hear why.

Regards.
Cyber-N Powers
c411vm wrote:
I find an aspect of the current (version 1.0.12 firmware) behaviour of CV channel sequences when linked to a gate channel sequence doesn't suit my style of musical exploration, and would be interested to hear the opinions of others.

When a CV channel is linked to a gate channel, it steps to the next CV value in the sequence each time an open/active gate occurs (as opposed to each time the clock advances the gate sequence). Consider a gate sequence of length x, with y steps set to 100% probability, and a CV sequence of length z (z >= y); provided step one of the gate sequence is one of the active steps, the repeating CV sequence will be defined by the first y steps of the CV sequence, and the CV sequence will be reset to the beginning by the first step of the gate sequence. If z<y, then the CV sequence will "wrap" after z active steps, but, wrapping aside, will be y steps in length, and will be reset to the first step by the first gate step.

However, if a gate sequence with y active steps is defined with an IN-active (0% probability) first step, then the behaviour of the linked CV sequence is very different: it does not repeat the first y steps of the CV channel sequence, but instead will play the z steps of the sequence, wrapping back to the first step after z steps. The CV sequence is not reset to the beginning by the first active step (or any other step) of the gate sequence. This is true regardless of the relationship between y and z.

While some might find this behaviour useful, I find the inconsistency unhelpful. A repeating CV sequence that is simple to create when it includes a active step at the start of a bar/measure, becomes more complex to implement the moment it doesn't have an active step at the start of a bar. I believe I would find it more useful if the first active step of the gate sequence reset the CV sequence back to the first step, regardless of whether the first active step of the gate sequence was the first step of the gate sequence or a subsequent step.

I did express my thoughts in an email to Malekko, and received a response from Paul containing the following text:

<quote>
We thought it would be cool if the cv advanced only when a gate was fired when linked. The cv advance would not have anything to do with the reset at the top (on the 1) of the bar. That way, the cv could be somewhat random depending on the gate's probability, and your cv pattern would progress without regard to the top of the bar.
So then we were asked if we could change the firmware so that the cv would follow the reset when linked. We did.
Now this is where we are:
when you have a cv track linked to a gate track, making gate step 1 100% PROB will reset the cv sequence along with the gate sequence on every bar. If you have gate step 1 set to anything less, the cv will not reset unless gate step 1 triggers. That way you can have the cv progress across bars.
In song mode, when you want a reset (say, after 8 bars), then you make a pattern with gate step 1 set to 100%, the others with no gate on step 1 and set the song sequence.
</quote>

I'd like to hear what others think of the current behaviour; if you prefer it to the behaviour I described as my preference, I'd be interested to hear why.

Regards.
I like to use both behaviours, the latter is like triggering hardware synth arpeggios/sequences from drum machine trigger outs in the olden days. However I would prefer them not to be selected by wether or not a gate is on step one. It would be nice to toggle between them some other way.
c411vm
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
I like to use both behaviours, the latter is like triggering hardware synth arpeggios/sequences from drum machine trigger outs in the olden days. However I would prefer them not to be selected by wether or not a gate is on step one. It would be nice to toggle between them some other way.


I agree that it would be better to be able to select between both behaviours and to avoid any any special treatment of step one. Actually, I did suggest to Malekko that making both available would be a useful feature to me, but I did not have viable suggestion about how this could be done, and didn't get a response.

Thinking about it again, I recall that in CV link mode the divide/multiply slider is disabled. That could be repurposed to select between the behaviours under discussion.

Any other ideas?
Flamusic
[quote="Flamusic"]
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.

The VG8 end out triggers at the end of the longest VG8 track, which could be divided to be the same length as the VB track you want to keep in sync. If you divide a spare VG8 track by 16 it is possible to trigger the VB reset after every 16 bars.


Tested it.
With end out, the VB is more often out of time than wthout. The longer the longest Varigate is devided, the longer the end of LED is on... so i guess thats also causing the VB to be out of sync. There are so many options, slave mode, end of out, seperate clock and reset ins, but nothing will make the units really work together.
Start and Stop several times, trial and error, is the only way to get it sync
Tonefloat01
Does it matter which side the Voltage Block is on when used in conjunction with the Varigate? Just curious if it matters...
Cyber-N Powers
[quote="Flamusic"]
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
And even if you don't need to integrate the VB VG combo to the rest of your modular or an external clock and use only the two modules with internal clock out of 10 starts the Voltagebnlock is 5 times not on the same step like the Varigate

I also have this problem with the VB sometimes starting a step behind VG8 in slave mode. Emailed Malekko and they suggested it could be caused by rack power or other modules in rack. Have tried P9 case and HEK with no additional modules, but it still happens. My workaround is to patch VG8 End to VB reset. Shouldn't need to in slave mode, but it seems to help.


If you patch the end out to the VB youre no longer able to have a longer sequence on the VB tracks.
So thats not a good workaround.
If you devide the VB length by two for example and the Varigate should play faster gates and is not divided, the VB will reset after 8 steps.

The VG8 end out triggers at the end of the longest VG8 track, which could be divided to be the same length as the VB track you want to keep in sync. If you divide a spare VG8 track by 16 it is possible to trigger the VB reset after every 16 bars.


Tested it.
With end out, the VB is more often out of time than wthout. The longer the longest Varigate is devided, the longer the end of LED is on... so i guess thats also causing the VB to be out of sync. There are so many options, slave mode, end of out, seperate clock and reset ins, but nothing will make the units really work together.
Start and Stop several times, trial and error, is the only way to get it sync

Yes, it looks like when using longer divisions in slave mode, patching the VG8 end into VB reset doesn't always start VB in sync. However the next reset trigger will pull the VB back into sync and it's OK from that point on. Until you restart, then it is a gamble what happens until the next reset. But...if you use clock mode instead of slave mode VB starts in sync every time! I tried this with internal clock and external clock (Wogglebug). I haven't heard of similar issues with VG4+ and VB so I guess the VB is not the problem.
blau83
If I put a CV channel from the varigate into a a quantizer or oscilloscope to measure the voltage at the output it doesn't read anything until I press play on the varigate. If I wiggle the slider of current active step while it isn't playing, I still don't notice any voltage change. Is this normal behaviour? I would have thought that it would always be outputting the voltage tied to the active step.
I first noticed this when I was trying to tune an oscillator on my Mordax data. the CV was being quantized via O+C quantermain and the Mordax kept showing the osc was 'out of range'. This was without the sequencer playing. No matter where I moved the slider, nothing changed. When I press play the oscillator was now outputting a frequency in range. So it seems that the varigate isn't sending any CV when paused. changing the oscillators pitch knob, and removing the quantiser and going direct in the oscillators 1v/oct input also didn't make any change. Its weird because I don't think I experienced this before when doing the the same thing in the past. I do kind of feel like I'm missing something stupidly simple here, but trying to remove possible causes from the equation...
rutabaga40
Any hints on getting clock in and reset to behave predictably? I'm feeding signals from a Teletype, so I can control the PW of the clock and reset signals. What is the best level and pw? About every 3 or 4 bars, it falls out of sync then snaps back on the next bar.
Cyber-N Powers
blau83 wrote:
If I put a CV channel from the varigate into a a quantizer or oscilloscope to measure the voltage at the output it doesn't read anything until I press play on the varigate. If I wiggle the slider of current active step while it isn't playing, I still don't notice any voltage change. Is this normal behaviour? I would have thought that it would always be outputting the voltage tied to the active step.
I first noticed this when I was trying to tune an oscillator on my Mordax data. the CV was being quantized via O+C quantermain and the Mordax kept showing the osc was 'out of range'. This was without the sequencer playing. No matter where I moved the slider, nothing changed. When I press play the oscillator was now outputting a frequency in range. So it seems that the varigate isn't sending any CV when paused. changing the oscillators pitch knob, and removing the quantiser and going direct in the oscillators 1v/oct input also didn't make any change. Its weird because I don't think I experienced this before when doing the the same thing in the past. I do kind of feel like I'm missing something stupidly simple here, but trying to remove possible causes from the equation...

I don't think there is a step cv 'audition' function. The only way I have found is setting notes visually using the led bar.
aroom
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
blau83 wrote:
If I put a CV channel from the varigate into a a quantizer or oscilloscope to measure the voltage at the output it doesn't read anything until I press play on the varigate. If I wiggle the slider of current active step while it isn't playing, I still don't notice any voltage change. Is this normal behaviour? I would have thought that it would always be outputting the voltage tied to the active step.
I first noticed this when I was trying to tune an oscillator on my Mordax data. the CV was being quantized via O+C quantermain and the Mordax kept showing the osc was 'out of range'. This was without the sequencer playing. No matter where I moved the slider, nothing changed. When I press play the oscillator was now outputting a frequency in range. So it seems that the varigate isn't sending any CV when paused. changing the oscillators pitch knob, and removing the quantiser and going direct in the oscillators 1v/oct input also didn't make any change. Its weird because I don't think I experienced this before when doing the the same thing in the past. I do kind of feel like I'm missing something stupidly simple here, but trying to remove possible causes from the equation...

I don't think there is a step cv 'audition' function. The only way I have found is setting notes visually using the led bar.


I use a manual gate/triger patched in clock to advance steps manually, so I can monitor them.
TemplarK
Is there a way to adjust all the sliders at once? so if i wanted to changes the value of something for every step at once?
reodjectz
TemplarK wrote:
Is there a way to adjust all the sliders at once? so if i wanted to changes the value of something for every step at once?


hold down bank/all as you adjust the slider. Works for all parameters.
NS4W
Is there a way to put on a protection against overwriting a pattern? All the time I mess up and overwrite patterns I've spent a long time making cry
chapatow
probability doesn't seem to exist on my varigate, just got it, second hand.
as i move the prob sliders it either fires a gate or it does not.
so anything less then 50% with the prob slider is off and anything above 50% is on.
also when i adjust the tempo pot. it makes the sequence jump back and act inconsistent.
seems weird, am i missing something?
bemushroomed
That does not sound correct, no.
Flamusic
chapatow wrote:
probability doesn't seem to exist on my varigate, just got it, second hand.
as i move the prob sliders it either fires a gate or it does not.
so anything less then 50% with the prob slider is off and anything above 50% is on.
also when i adjust the tempo pot. it makes the sequence jump back and act inconsistent.
seems weird, am i missing something?


turn gate tie mode off
chapatow
turn gate tie mode off[/quote]

not sure if this is turning it off but i changed the setting to cv1 and that did the trick, thanks a lot!
rutabaga40
Forgive me if this has been covered. Gonna try and explain this more clearly.

If you feed clock into the Varigate, then remove the clock cable, the Varigate seems to freeze, requiring a case restart.
OrpHologram
rutabaga40 wrote:
If you feed clock into the Varigate, then remove the clock cable, the Varigate seems to freeze, requiring a case restart.


Happens to me every time as well. You have to turn the tempo knob to get the internal clock to come back.
rutabaga40
OrpHologram

Ah, thanks.
TemplarK
Ok so i have some weird things going on. I got a pattern i really like from i think Bank 1. Really nice simple hi hat pattern the weirdness is with the CH (Gate3)

Sliders 1 5 9 and 13 are at 100% and theres some repeating going on. However when i've gone to make a variation of this I've realised that theres no Reapats or PrbRepeats dialed in. So to check this i thought i'd slow the pattern down, it was on x2 so i dialled it back to x1(default speed). In this speed it plays normally, no repeats, just a standard 1,5,9,13 and they play 100%. Now if i then go back to x2 i get repeats, but the repeats are not repeats, they are more like inputting 1,3,5,9,11,13,15 (i.e. repeats would be faster to strike after the main hit). I'm so confused.

In short its adding hits (not reapeats) I think but i can't work out why.

Edit - I've tried clearing the drum and reinputting this, I get the same result, the hihat plays fine until i x2 it and then i start getting extra hits that are not programmed? Surely this isn't meant to happen? Also it does it on all the gates ive tested
TemplarK
edit - Not solved...

Ok so my V8+ plays extra notes when clocked externally but only when i use multiplacation. anyone got any idea? Waiting for malekko to reply.
TemplarK
Malekko now replied. They can reproduce the behaviour. They say that a full fw overhaul is due but they are focusing on other things right now like the Manther....
bemushroomed
TemplarK wrote:
They say that a full fw overhaul is due


That sounds good at least.. hopefully its not a 1 year wait.
TemplarK
bemushroomed wrote:
TemplarK wrote:
They say that a full fw overhaul is due


That sounds good at least.. hopefully its not a 1 year wait.


Yeah hopefully.

Ok so, is anyone using their V8+ sync'd to a DAW and able to use x2 and more multiplacation with hits on 1,5,9 and 13 without any extra hits being played.

I ask because I need to buy a new clock to try and work this out (or return my V8+) but i don't want to buy a new usb clocking device that also gives this error so if anyone has it working can you let me know what device your sending your midi clock to so i can grab one that has a chance of working. Thanks!
Trooper
I would like to use the "Track Mode" from an external sequencer:

Quote:
CV LINK MODE: You can tie a CV channel to a
corresponding gate channel. To enter this mode: Select
TRACK, a CV channel button and then move the
SEQUENCE MODE slider to the right until you reach the
last 8 LED’S in the bar graph. In this mode the CV
channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked
channel is active.


I have tried everything with CV, Gates, but i can not get this to work.

Anyone a hint ?
TemplarK
Trooper wrote:
I would like to use the "Track Mode" from an external sequencer:

Quote:
CV LINK MODE: You can tie a CV channel to a
corresponding gate channel. To enter this mode: Select
TRACK, a CV channel button and then move the
SEQUENCE MODE slider to the right until you reach the
last 8 LED’S in the bar graph. In this mode the CV
channel is only progressed when a gate on the linked
channel is active.


I have tried everything with CV, Gates, but i can not get this to work.

Anyone a hint ?


I'm not sure i understand. This is for the V8+ CV channels, and you assign it to one of the 8 gates in the track menu, so if you assign it to gate 1 whenever gate 1 fires the CV note will advance one step.

In the sequence mode menu the first 4 lights represent the usual FWD,BACK, pING,RND and then the 5-16 are gates 1 to 8. It only works for the two CV tracks and you won't get it to advnace from an external sequencer just one of the 8 trigger sequences.
TemplarK
Also just as a side note, Paul from Malekko is going to really try and help me out with this issue trying to get a clock that will not cause this issue as much, I really appreciate the lengths he's going to go to here sending me a sync unit next week after i enquired if he would test one for me with this issue. Very very cool of him!!!
Trooper
Thanks, i try to describe:
i wanted to start the Track-Mode, but not always on every loop the sequence is doing. Would like to have it for example every 4th run of the sequence.

Perhaps this is the wrong way to do it. I did exactly what was described but could not get what i wanted. Then i used another sequencer to "ping" at the wanted time, but i could also not get what i wanted.

Perhaps it is impossible, or how i could do this?
TemplarK
Trooper wrote:
Thanks, i try to describe:
i wanted to start the Track-Mode, but not always on every loop the sequence is doing. Would like to have it for example every 4th run of the sequence.

Perhaps this is the wrong way to do it. I did exactly what was described but could not get what i wanted. Then i used another sequencer to "ping" at the wanted time, but i could also not get what i wanted.

Perhaps it is impossible, or how i could do this?


So you could do this but it would basically stop you using the rest of the gates as usual.

So assign the CV to Gate1 for instance. Then set Gate 1 to a sequence length of 1. If you run an external clock in now you will get the result your after however your not going to be able to run the module as normal making the other 7 gates pretty useless I would think.
Trooper
Hm, yes, this should function, but i need the rest.
Then i have to do it by hand, however thank you.
StoneAgeOfTheFuture
I just purchased a used V8 (shipping now, haven't received it yet), and just realized something:

While there's 8 Gate outs, there's only 2 CV outs. Does that mean I can only control two voices simultaneously with the V8 unless I have other melody going to my gated/triggered voices?

In other words, I see the 8 Gates as being used for drums, and the 2 CV being used for melody (two different oscillators). If I want to have at least 4 separate Oscillators - each with their own separate melody in the same scale - would that not be possible with the V8?

Thanks
meatbeatz
StoneAgeOfTheFuture wrote:
I just purchased a used V8 (shipping now, haven't received it yet), and just realized something:

While there's 8 Gate outs, there's only 2 CV outs. Does that mean I can only control two voices simultaneously with the V8 unless I have other melody going to my gated/triggered voices?

In other words, I see the 8 Gates as being used for drums, and the 2 CV being used for melody (two different oscillators). If I want to have at least 4 separate Oscillators - each with their own separate melody in the same scale - would that not be possible with the V8?

Thanks


With only two CV outputs you can only sequence two v/oct parts.
StoneAgeOfTheFuture
meatbeatz wrote:
With only two CV outputs you can only sequence two v/oct parts.


Thanks!

Are there any sequencers with more CV outputs and either the same or just a couple fewer Gate outputs? Just wondering. V8 is still awesome, and I'll still enjoy using it.


Edit:
Nevermind, here's some:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/winter-modular-eloquencer
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/steady-state-fate-gatestorm
meatbeatz
StoneAgeOfTheFuture wrote:
meatbeatz wrote:
With only two CV outputs you can only sequence two v/oct parts.


Thanks!

Are there any sequencers with more CV outputs and either the same or just a couple fewer Gate outputs? Just wondering. V8 is still awesome, and I'll still enjoy using it.


Check out Harvestman Stillson Hammer MkII

I see VG8+ as a trigger sequencer with bonus CV outputs. SHII will cover very similar ground with 4 x CV/Gate outputs.
wavedepletion
StoneAgeOfTheFuture wrote:
Are there any sequencers with more CV outputs and either the same or just a couple fewer Gate outputs? Just wondering.


The Eloquencer seems like the current hot thing. 8x CV+Gate outputs. I may actually end up selling my Octone and Rene (keeping the Varigate 8+ and Voltage Block) for an Eloquencer.
docsample
StoneAgeOfTheFuture wrote:
I just purchased a used V8 (shipping now, haven't received it yet), and just realized something:

While there's 8 Gate outs, there's only 2 CV outs. Does that mean I can only control two voices simultaneously with the V8 unless I have other melody going to my gated/triggered voices?

In other words, I see the 8 Gates as being used for drums, and the 2 CV being used for melody (two different oscillators). If I want to have at least 4 separate Oscillators - each with their own separate melody in the same scale - would that not be possible with the V8?

Thanks


Varigate 4+ can do 4cv, 2/2 CV/gate, or 4 gates. It can also be solved to the varigate 8+
Sushi2k
right from Malekko's website

***ATTENTION! WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A VARIGATE 8+ VER. 2.0 FIRMWARE UPDATE, WITH A TARGET RELEASE IN AUGUST 2018. STAY TUNED!***

It's peanut butter jelly time!
aroom
we're not worthy


now let's pray they'll do the same with the VB w00t
jwise
That's reason to celebrate with elation, fireworks, and that banana dance a couple of posts above.
Aaronautical001
Will wait with bated breath.

Quick question: has anyone been able to update using Windows 10?

Malekko website only refers to XP/7/vista.
jwise
Aaronautical001 wrote:
Quick question: has anyone been able to update using Windows 10?


That's all I've used to update previous firmware upgrades with.
Aaronautical001
jwise wrote:
Aaronautical001 wrote:
Quick question: has anyone been able to update using Windows 10?


That's all I've used to update previous firmware upgrades with.


Excellent! Thanks! thumbs up
Mosiej
Sushi2k

Quote:
***ATTENTION! WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A VARIGATE 8+ VER. 2.0 FIRMWARE UPDATE, WITH A TARGET RELEASE IN AUGUST 2018. STAY TUNED!***


Nice! Please Malekko include the possibility of Microtonal quanitsation.. aka let us use quartertones!

Also maybe a chain mode ?
Curious about this !
base615
Massive rant incoming:

I've been using the awesome Varigate 4+ for a while but wanted more steps and gate outputs so just received a new Varigate 8+.

I can't express in words how annoying this external clock / reset issue is compared to the 4+ which works perfectly. Sadly I didn't read this thread prior to purchase to see all the other people experiencing but I've spent the last 12 hours trying to troubleshoot what the hell is going on with this thing. I've updated the firmware to 1.0.12 which has 'Fixes external reset issue' in the release notes. It does nothing of the sort.

I can get it to clock if I switch the play button off and on before pressing play on my DAW / Pyramid but it's utterly unusable with a reset, which in turn makes the Voltage Block unsyncable as a result.

I'm not sure how it is possible to release code as shonky as this. I understand that modular companies are often garage operations with a couple of employees but something as basic and critical as clocking should be tested before release. I'm hoping this 2.0 firmware update fixes this but the module has to come out of my case until it lands.

I've been stoked with all the Malekko products I've had in the past but this has left a proper bad taste in my mouth when I read things like "Malekko now replied. They can reproduce the behaviour. They say that a full fw overhaul is due but they are focusing on other things right now like the Manther". How about sorting out your products that are in the field, people have spent $700 for and are basically unusable before working on new products?
tommygee
base615 wrote:
Massive rant incoming:

I've been using the awesome Varigate 4+ for a while but wanted more steps and gate outputs so just received a new Varigate 8+.

I can't express in words how annoying this external clock / reset issue is compared to the 4+ which works perfectly. Sadly I didn't read this thread prior to purchase to see all the other people experiencing but I've spent the last 12 hours trying to troubleshoot what the hell is going on with this thing. I've updated the firmware to 1.0.12 which has 'Fixes external reset issue' in the release notes. It does nothing of the sort.

I can get it to clock if I switch the play button off and on before pressing play on my DAW / Pyramid but it's utterly unusable with a reset, which in turn makes the Voltage Block unsyncable as a result.

I'm not sure how it is possible to release code as shonky as this. I understand that modular companies are often garage operations with a couple of employees but something as basic and critical as clocking should be tested before release. I'm hoping this 2.0 firmware update fixes this but the module has to come out of my case until it lands.

I've been stoked with all the Malekko products I've had in the past but this has left a proper bad taste in my mouth when I read things like "Malekko now replied. They can reproduce the behaviour. They say that a full fw overhaul is due but they are focusing on other things right now like the Manther". How about sorting out your products that are in the field, people have spent $700 for and are basically unusable before working on new products?


I agree with you. Wasted countless with the V8 and sold it. Often when working with the unit my flow was destroyed because of various issues. The "garage operation" excuse often used by members here is bullshit IMO. You sell a product to a customer, and the customer expect to get what they pay for. No matter the size of the company. I would even say try harder when you are a small company in order to build up the name and rep.
bemushroomed
At least there's an update coming. But i can't say i've had any real issues with mine yet (had it for a year).

It IS annoying however that this situation with some (not all) digital modules is kind of similar to PC games nowadays, you buy at release, then you basically wait for 1 year to get it fixed so that you can play it with the best experience, or you can use it in the meantime and it will be a so-so experience due to bugs and various issues.

But again, pretty solid experience for me anyhow.. i use mine with voltageblock, usually its clocked from Pam's new workout.
Cyber-N Powers
I just want the Voltage Block to always start at the same time as the Varigate 8+ when in Slave Mode. Not occasionally one step behind. If that gets fixed, it'll be enough for me. Everything else seems pretty solid for what I do.
tthogs
Oh man so stoked for whatever this update is going to be! Usually 2.0 in terms of firmware means rad new features. Anyone heard rumors?
pbotsaris
I have a VG8+ / VB combo for a month now and I'm incredibly frustrated with the modules so far. The integration between VG8+ / VB is super sloppy.

For example, whenever I hit recall on the VG8+ (VB slave mode) VB freezes on the current step until recall is released. This makes this sequencer unusable if you are planning on using it to play live. This on top of the issues stated above.

The manual is also disappointing. It looks like a "getting started" guide.

Brian runs orthogonal device by himself and the ER-101/102 is the best sequencer I have tried on eurorack format. The software is very solid, support is great ( there is a forum just for OD modules). In-depth manual – one of the best I have seen (next to Make Noise's that are also great).
bendedavis
tthogs wrote:
Oh man so stoked for whatever this update is going to be! Usually 2.0 in terms of firmware means rad new features. Anyone heard rumors?


We will be releasing a beta firmware soon. This firmware fixes reset issues with certain midi interfaces and clock modules. Most of the changes are improvements to slider response and things like that. The one new thing we're adding is a bouncing ball/snare rush feature which uses the glide button in gate mode to set the rate of change between different repeat values.
bemushroomed
bendedavis wrote:
The one new thing we're adding is a bouncing ball/snare rush feature which uses the glide button in gate mode to set the rate of change between different repeat values.


Sounds really great applause
bemushroomed
what can be the reason Reset In is not responding well from my Squarp Pyramid? Gate Length, voltage?

Is this an issue and something which will be fixed in 2.0, or is it on my end?
Aaronautical001
From the website:

ATTENTION! WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A VARIGATE 8+ VER. 2.0 FIRMWARE UPDATE, ORIGINALLY WITH A TARGET RELEASE IN AUGUST 2018, NOW WRAPPING IT UP FOR SEPT 10TH. STAY TUNED!***

Getting nearer! applause
Flish
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
I just want the Voltage Block to always start at the same time as the Varigate 8+ when in Slave Mode. Not occasionally one step behind. If that gets fixed, it'll be enough for me. Everything else seems pretty solid for what I do.


This is all I need in the update for the moment as well.. waiting for the new firmware on sept 10th
TemplarK
F5'ing my life away xD
jwise
F5'ing with the guy above....
base615
September 10th ended 12.5 hours ago for me. I guess, since they're in Portland Oregon, they still have 4.5 hours to make it.
bemushroomed
Anybody there? Malekko? ...ekko ...ekko ...ekko

Guess not.
Flamusic
I wrote with Paul from Malleko in April about the Varigate / Voltage block Problems.
dont know why, but he answered me on July 18. ... we have a inhause beta wich will be ready in one week. I was extremely pleased to hear
But no update was there after a week.
A little bit later Malekko wrote on their website...the Update will be ready in August.
But no update in August.
Malekko wrote the update will be released on september 10th.
No update on September 10.

Only for the record.
bemushroomed
Not that uncommon for software development though. TBH i did not expect a release at this exact date.
XcaracallaX
Commenting here so I get some sort of notification when the update *is* available. grin
Circus of Mind
XcaracallaX wrote:
Commenting here so I get some sort of notification when the update *is* available. grin


There is a little link at the very bottom right corner of every thread that says "Watch this topic for replies".

You can click that to get notifications and thus you don't have to comment (thus sending everyone else notifications)
bemushroomed
Watching threads here is pretty useless imo, the delay before i get an email notification is immense, same with PM's. It can be 10h+ so often i have read it many hours ago. I guess it's good if you don't visit the forum much at all, like every other day etc.

It used to be pretty quick.

Edit: NOW WRAPPING UP FINAL TESTING FOR SEPT 12TH
Misk
malekko's site updated the release date to the 12th—heres to hoping!
Southfork
Misk wrote:
malekko's site updated the release date to the 12th—heres to hoping!


Are we there yet? fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap...
jwise
The UPDATE has been POSTED!
Misk
just updated and about to get all up on this shit! definitely interested in the different external sync options. wondering if it accepts ppqn now too?

The sliders seem snappy! applause
lohacker
Anyone knows if this new update will delete stored patterns?
Live CV record mode seems a nice addition w00t
bemushroomed
Live CV has always been there, just hold "prob" to record live.. maybe there are new additions to it though smile
lohacker
bemushroomed wrote:
Live CV has always been there, just hold "prob" to record live.. maybe there are new additions to it though smile


I only knew about live gate mode, not cv mode hmmm.....
bemushroomed
lohacker wrote:
bemushroomed wrote:
Live CV has always been there, just hold "prob" to record live.. maybe there are new additions to it though smile


I only knew about live gate mode, not cv mode hmmm.....


Yes that's what i meant, i see now that it's CV too, very cool w00t


Edit: Tested. voltage block would be incredible with this woah even better buttons there for "keys". Too bad it can't be upgraded via firmware (afaik).
lohacker
bemushroomed wrote:
lohacker wrote:
bemushroomed wrote:
Live CV has always been there, just hold "prob" to record live.. maybe there are new additions to it though smile


I only knew about live gate mode, not cv mode hmmm.....


Yes that's what i meant, i see now that it's CV too, very cool w00t


Edit: Tested. voltage block would be incredible with this woah even better buttons there for "keys". Too bad it can't be upgraded via firmware (afaik).


Were your patterns preserved after the update?
Flish
Can anyone who's already downloaded the new firmware upload it to dropbox and post the link here? Not able to download it from the site.
lohacker
Flish wrote:
Can anyone who's already downloaded the new firmware upload it to dropbox and post the link here? Not able to download it from the site.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v40ojnctsslnoo/VG8-2.0b11.hex?dl=0
cavidim
LIVE CV RECORD MODE IS GREAT !!!
Misk
bouncing ball mode kinda threw me off at first—essentially it's like glide for repeating gates—so you've gotta have two steps in sequence that both repeat with different "bounce" percentages between the two to really hear it.

def helps to adjust PW down low, but when you've got it, DAMN. that organic push and pull really makes a difference!!
nerostinto
cavidim wrote:
LIVE CV RECORD MODE IS GREAT !!!


Yes, but I experienced an issue... Voltages are sent to both CV tracks outputs when gate buttons are pressed, is this happening to all of you or is just me?
cavidim
that's the way it works i guess.

But i can't get in to "live gate mode". I press prob. for two seconds, nothing happens, did it change ?
lohacker
cavidim wrote:
that's the way it works i guess.

But i can't get in to "live gate mode". I press prob. for two seconds, nothing happens, did it change ?


live record mode (Recall+Prob)
cavidim
lohacker wrote:
cavidim wrote:
that's the way it works i guess.

But i can't get in to "live gate mode". I press prob. for two seconds, nothing happens, did it change ?


live record mode (Recall+Prob)



oh ok it makes sense now, so both cv and gate recording can be accessible from recall+prob
nerostinto
cavidim wrote:
that's the way it works i guess.



I guess I was not clear enough, I don't really think that's the way it's supposed to work.

Had some time to test it and here's what I'm experiencing:
as long as at least one of the two CV tracks is working in unquantized mode, live CV record works as expected, so voltages played on the diatonic keyboard (the gate buttons in live CV record mode) are sent only to the relevant CV output (so CV1 output if you initiated live record on CV1 and CV2 output if you initiated live record on CV2). Of course the unquantized track will only have gate 1 button enabled for CV in live record mode which will output 5V.
Recording works fine.

As soon as BOTH of the tracks have any combination of root, root +n sliders enabled in TRACK page, whenever you access live record CV and play the diatonic keyboard, voltages are sent to BOTH outputs, temporarily overriding the other channel's recorded voltages (recording still works correctly, only on selected track).

Anyone can confirm or negate this behaviour?
nerostinto
cavidim wrote:
lohacker wrote:
cavidim wrote:
that's the way it works i guess.

But i can't get in to "live gate mode". I press prob. for two seconds, nothing happens, did it change ?


live record mode (Recall+Prob)



oh ok it makes sense now, so both cv and gate recording can be accessible from recall+prob


Yep, but if you want to record gates just make sure you have a gate channel selected before accessing live record.
base615
Seriously guys?

Not only has this firmware not fixed the problem (reset causes V8+ to run 1/16th behind the beat), it's even worse now.

I previously found a workaround where I could plug into clock jack but leave reset empty, play then stop my master clock (Squarp Pyramid) which would stop the V8+, turn off play on the V8+ and then back on again to reset it without playing. The V8+ would then start in time on clock start. It works but having to manually reset a sequencer ever single time the master clock stops is super annoying.

Now, the V8+ does not recognise that a cable is plugged into the clock jack and you can't do manual reset without the thing playing using the internal clock. So, not only does it fix the external reset issue, it now makes it impossible to reset (in time) at all.

I manage a software development team so I know the difficulties involved with testing and release. Occasionally things slip through, but the reset issue is the headline bug for this firmware release. Surely it would be tested with every clock generator / external sequencer you could get your hands on, especially after delaying the release.

I guess it's back to the deficient 1.0.12 which at least has an annoying workaround.
nerostinto
Not sure if related to base615 issue, but my slaved Voltage Block ignores reset via bus.
aroom
Please you all, report to Malekko:

varigate8beta.bfwhhuegviaaaa@thebugtrack.appspotmail.com

Quote:
In the subject line of your email, give us 7 or less words that describes what you’re experiencing.
In the body of your email, list your setup and more in-depth details regarding what you’re experiencing.


Posting here is great but sending feedback is even better.
cavidim
base615 wrote:
Seriously guys?



Now, the V8+ does not recognise that a cable is plugged into the clock jack and you can't do manual reset without the thing playing using the internal clock.



SAME HERE !!
jwise
aroom wrote:
Please you all, report to Malekko:

varigate8beta.bfwhhuegviaaaa@thebugtrack.appspotmail.com


HA.....I thought this was a fake email and a clue not to try and email them bug reports!
bendedavis
cavidim wrote:
base615 wrote:
Seriously guys?



Now, the V8+ does not recognise that a cable is plugged into the clock jack and you can't do manual reset without the thing playing using the internal clock.



SAME HERE !!


There are now 2 modes for the reset. One that works for Sync and the other that works with other MIDI modules. The first mode works for sync (prob lit) and the second mode works for all other reset scenarios (rpt lit). We are considering defaulting the official firmware to the second mode.
ianross
I may be having a brain fart moment, but Ben (or someone), can you further explain the two sync modes : P I know (or at least thought) the Varigate 8+ doesn't have a midi input at all so not sure what the difference between the two modes is as far as what kind of input it can recognize goes. The Varigate 8+ just wants gates/triggers in either mode right?

Thanks!

bendedavis wrote:
cavidim wrote:
base615 wrote:
Seriously guys?



Now, the V8+ does not recognise that a cable is plugged into the clock jack and you can't do manual reset without the thing playing using the internal clock.



SAME HERE !!


There are now 2 modes for the reset. One that works for Sync and the other that works with other MIDI modules. The first mode works for sync (prob lit) and the second mode works for all other reset scenarios (rpt lit). We are considering defaulting the official firmware to the second mode.
jwise
ianross wrote:
I may be having a brain fart moment, but Ben (or someone), can you further explain the two sync modes : P I know (or at least thought) the Varigate 8+ doesn't have a midi input at all so not sure what the difference between the two modes is as far as what kind of input it can recognize goes. The Varigate 8+ just wants gates/triggers in either mode right?


I'm also wondering about this. What constitutes a midi reset? Maybe the clock coming from my ES-8 or does the PNW also qualify?

Group feelings of density at work smile
TemplarK
Testing the extra gates when using the multiplacation/division when sync'd seems to have been fixed! Awesome! I'm suprised i'm the only one to mention this bug to be honest!

Also using Malekko Sync and Pressing play with reset connects works as it should. Every time i stop and start again it resets as intended (using default mode in new FW).

Its taken a while but thanks Ben and Malekko for keeping on this i'm super happy right now and the sliders are much better also especially when trying to dial in change from 1 to 2 feels so much better no overshoot to 3 or 4!

Thanks!
aroom
is there a way now to disable the random function to randomise all the sequences when voltage block is slaved?

I wish I could use the random function on only the selected gate sequences (using the mute function) on not on all VB sequences, making this feature useless for me.
Flamusic
i have the feeling that sync is better.
Cyber-N Powers
Flish wrote:
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
I just want the Voltage Block to always start at the same time as the Varigate 8+ when in Slave Mode. Not occasionally one step behind. If that gets fixed, it'll be enough for me. Everything else seems pretty solid for what I do.


This is all I need in the update for the moment as well.. waiting for the new firmware on sept 10th


Well it is fixed, sort of! The first time I power up the rack, the VB starts one step ahead of the VG8+! However all subsequent restarts are fine. I will be able to live with that, but not in this beta. Timing using internal clock seems sloppy to me, not as tight as before, so I've rolled back for now.
bendedavis
ianross wrote:
I may be having a brain fart moment, but Ben (or someone), can you further explain the two sync modes : P I know (or at least thought) the Varigate 8+ doesn't have a midi input at all so not sure what the difference between the two modes is as far as what kind of input it can recognize goes. The Varigate 8+ just wants gates/triggers in either mode right?

Thanks!

bendedavis wrote:
cavidim wrote:
base615 wrote:
Seriously guys?



Now, the V8+ does not recognise that a cable is plugged into the clock jack and you can't do manual reset without the thing playing using the internal clock.



SAME HERE !!


There are now 2 modes for the reset. One that works for Sync and the other that works with other MIDI modules. The first mode works for sync (prob lit) and the second mode works for all other reset scenarios (rpt lit). We are considering defaulting the official firmware to the second mode.


Mode 1 works in cases where the reset is sent on a midi stop command. After the clock has stopped it waits for the next clock pulse to go to step 1. Mode 2 works when a reset and clock pulse are expected at the same time to start the sequence.
base615
Got it working with the excellent help of Anna at Malekko.

Sync mode 2 didn't work for me last night but is after reloading the firmware and it's pretty solid with the exception of 2 phantom double triggers which happened early in the piece and hasn't happened again in an hour.

Certainly operator error on my part unless the firmware failed to load properly via Teensy which I find unlikely.

Thanks Malekko, working perfectly now and I retract my earlier rant.
Flamusic
Internal clock is not tight.
Varigate timing is jittering with internal clock.
External clock seems to work.

Sometimes faders are hanging between some notes and its not possible to get all siders to fullscale. They jump back and flickering around some steps(on the
little keyboard)
meatbeatz
Does updating mean we lose our patterns?
Cyber-N Powers
meatbeatz wrote:
Does updating mean we lose our patterns?

No, but they don't sound quite the same, maybe because probability settings are changed slightly, but certainly because the timing is sloppy.
meatbeatz
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
No, but they don't sound quite the same, maybe because probability settings are changed slightly, but certainly because the timing is sloppy.


dayum. very excited about portamento on repeats but will hang out until internal clock is fixed I think.
Misk
Flamusic wrote:
Internal clock is not tight.
Varigate timing is jittering with internal clock.
External clock seems to work.

Sometimes faders are hanging between some notes and its not possible to get all siders to fullscale. They jump back and flickering around some steps(on the
little keyboard)


came here to see if anyone else is experiencing this, cause i've got the same thing going on here. I'm tempted to start messing with the offset pots on the back just to see what happens.
Flamusic
Misk wrote:
Flamusic wrote:
Internal clock is not tight.
Varigate timing is jittering with internal clock.
External clock seems to work.

Sometimes faders are hanging between some notes and its not possible to get all siders to fullscale. They jump back and flickering around some steps(on the
little keyboard)


came here to see if anyone else is experiencing this, cause i've got the same thing going on here. I'm tempted to start messing with the offset pots on the back just to see what happens.


I have the ffeling when its happening that i cant set the faders to the point i want and they flickerung around some the left minikey.
one of the 16 Faders is hanging.But i dont now wich one. So after mooving all 16 Faders from left to right and back. There will be one fader after moving it everything is working aain
cavidim
when you change the key of a pattern and then save it as a preset, it is supposed to save its key as well (at least it was before) now saving a pattern does not save the key changes, which is really unfortunate
any one tried that ?
Misk
Flamusic wrote:

I have the ffeling when its happening that i cant set the faders to the point i want and they flickerung around some the left minikey.
one of the 16 Faders is hanging.But i dont now wich one. So after mooving all 16 Faders from left to right and back. There will be one fader after moving it everything is working aain


Yeah I just tried that and it does seem to help.

I figured something out about song mode that might be a bug but it could be a dope feature, and now that I understand it—it's a feature... for now...
Song mode will change patterns when a pattern "ends" (when the end output actually sends a gate). If you've got some odd-numbered pattern in your preset (some polyrhythm thing) , song mode doesn't recognize a pattern as "ending" until all the patterns come back around to 1 on the same beat.

This was pissing me off initially because i didn't understand why song mode was playing some of my presets multiple times before switching to the next preset when i just wanted to loop back and forth between 2. now that I get it, it's fucking awesome, the varigate lets your polyrhythmic presets play all the way through until they properly loop before switching. combine this with other presets of odd lengths (like 3 bars, half a bar, etc) and you've got a pretty fucking powerful little beastie in song mode.

still a lot of bugs tho—stops playing if you pull any source out of the clock input. Before you could turn the tempo knob and it'd "wake up", now you have to actually press stop and play again. still getting jitter in the LED bar graph—gotta get malekko an email i think.
Misk
Went through this thread and saw there was a way to recalibrate the VG by holding PROB+DLY on on startup with sliders 1-8 full left and 9-16 full right.
after the LEDs are all on, pressing PROB+RPT to get out of calibration mode.

I did that (on 2.0b11 firmware) and the LEDs are all lit up and stay that way, but I can't get out of calibration mode. any buttons I press just turn the LEDs off or on.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it was later changed in subsequent firmware that you didn't need to recalibrate it—so why can I get this far into calibration mode? did it get added back in?
TemplarK
Misk wrote:
Went through this thread and saw there was a way to recalibrate the VG by holding PROB+DLY on on startup with sliders 1-8 full left and 9-16 full right.
after the LEDs are all on, pressing PROB+RPT to get out of calibration mode.

I did that (on 2.0b11 firmware) and the LEDs are all lit up and stay that way, but I can't get out of calibration mode. any buttons I press just turn the LEDs off or on.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it was later changed in subsequent firmware that you didn't need to recalibrate it—so why can I get this far into calibration mode? did it get added back in?


lmao sorry but thats hilarious

edit - Try going back to a FW where it was working properly, coming out of it, then loading the new 2.0 again
Misk
hihi

I used the old tech support trick of cycling the power and it was all honky-dory again—just curious about calibration support on fw 2.0b11.

yeah, it was like an expensive lite-brite for a minute there razz
Southfork
So what's the general concensus? Not worth upgrading yet? Home are people getting on with bouncing ball repeats? Trampoline
base615
Can't seem to be able to activate live gate mode (hold PROB for 2 secs). Anyone else experiencing this?
pieter
base615 wrote:
Can't seem to be able to activate live gate mode (hold PROB for 2 secs). Anyone else experiencing this?


You have to hold both PROB and RECALL, at least in the old version.
base615
pieter wrote:
base615 wrote:
Can't seem to be able to activate live gate mode (hold PROB for 2 secs). Anyone else experiencing this?


You have to hold both PROB and RECALL, at least in the old version.


Thanks mate, that worked. Looks like they need to update their manual.

pieter
d'oh!
Misk
base615 wrote:
pieter wrote:
base615 wrote:
Can't seem to be able to activate live gate mode (hold PROB for 2 secs). Anyone else experiencing this?


You have to hold both PROB and RECALL, at least in the old version.


Thanks mate, that worked. Looks like they need to update their manual.



turns out accidentally turning this on has become the source of most of my phantom gates.

regardless I rolled back to 1.012 0r whatever that version number is—for now.
Flish
Been having a problem with key changes in the varigate with the new beta firmware. It doesn't save any other key except C.
cavidim
Flish wrote:
Been having a problem with key changes in the varigate with the new beta firmware. It doesn't save any other key except C.


yes i also mentioned about that before, i even sent an email to varigate8beta.bfwhhuegviaaaa@thebugtrack.appspotmail.com abot this topic but nothing in return.

In the previous FW i did not have this problem, now it is really difficult everytime you have to schange the key manually

@bendedavis, any fix about this soon ?
TemplarK
Malekko are dragging their feet so hard on this :( It annoys me when bugs don't get fixed but new code is added for stuff hardly anyone will ever use... All the while new products get priority and those of us already spent our money sit and wait hoping for fixes.
Cyber-N Powers
TemplarK wrote:
Malekko are dragging their feet so hard on this :( It annoys me when bugs don't get fixed but new code is added for stuff hardly anyone will ever use... All the while new products get priority and those of us already spent our money sit and wait hoping for fixes.

It looks like the new features will be great when finished, but personally I would be happy with a stable firmware version with just existing functionality and the sync problems fixed. A 1.9 maybe?
induktor
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
TemplarK wrote:
Malekko are dragging their feet so hard on this :( It annoys me when bugs don't get fixed but new code is added for stuff hardly anyone will ever use... All the while new products get priority and those of us already spent our money sit and wait hoping for fixes.

It looks like the new features will be great when finished, but personally I would be happy with a stable firmware version with just existing functionality and the sync problems fixed. A 1.9 maybe?


I agree that stabilizing sync should be a top priority.
Ish
So... consensus (Oct 4th, 2018) is don't update yet?
base615
Ish wrote:
So... consensus (Oct 4th, 2018) is don't update yet?


It was well worth it for me to fix external clocking, but I haven’t used internal clock or song mode with appear to have issues so YMMV.
Ears
base615 wrote:
Ish wrote:
So... consensus (Oct 4th, 2018) is don't update yet?


It was well worth it for me to fix external clocking, but I haven’t used internal clock or song mode with appear to have issues so YMMV.

This release is just a beta anyhow, correct?
temaniak
Hello! Anybody was update new beta firmware? I hear a wild jitter of internal clock. I not alone, i hope?
Cyber-N Powers
temaniak wrote:
Hello! Anybody was update new beta firmware? I hear a wild jitter of internal clock. I not alone, i hope?

No, you are not alone! It has been reported as a bug by me, and probably others..
nmveld
I'm getting more and more annoyed by this sequencer. I rolled back to the previous firmware because I couldn't sync to my friends gear anymore. Normally I had to press stop/start to manually reset the step to step one before receiving a clock again after play. I read more people are experiencing this problem. But the problem is still there even after the rollback... Come on Malekko do something about it!
cavidim
from Anna (Malekko),

"we just have a few more things to finish but should be by the end of this month (going from Beta to final)"
Ears
cavidim wrote:
from Anna (Malekko),

"we just have a few more things to finish but should be by the end of this month (going from Beta to final)"

Yay! Varigate is often the heartbeat of my work so despite the bugs I wasn’t gonna mess with beta. Hoping this fixes the pain points of a generally amazing module.
veets
This is forum is so valuable. I have looked at and used a lot of different sequencers, but the Varigate 8+ hits a lot of high points for me, and all in 26hp. I was just thinking about purchasing one, but now I'm not so sure based on the firmware issues.

As long as I clock externally, is there any other reason to avoid?
limpmeat
After not using mine for a while, I just wrote a song last night on it. It's a fantastic sequencer, and it seems like malekko are working on the bugs.

Does anybody know if there a way to back up patterns? maybe via USB or something?
Ears
limpmeat wrote:

Does anybody know if there a way to back up patterns? maybe via USB or something?

I don't know of one. I record the voltages on a Assimil8or to be safe
eightball
Hello Everyone,

I am using Varigate 8+ for a while and I love the possibilities, but unfortunately even on the new mode (from Malekko website: Hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE at the same time and push RPT button) in firmware 2.0b11 clock drifts like crazy.
When I am syncing to external clock source (Arturia Beatstep, Xaoc Devices Belgrad, Mutable Instruments Peaks in LFO mode) everything seems to be right in this new mode. But whenever I unplug clock source and try to run Varigate 8+ using it's own clock it's starting to drift.
If you don't mind, please take a look on this simple example to explain what I mean:
[s]https://soundcloud.com/eightball/varigate8-clock_drift/s-kmw1y[/s]

It's made of two melodic sequences and percussion: kick, hihat, snare. Every partial is triggered from Varigate 8+. Varigate is running it's own clock.
SB-SIX
veets wrote:
This is forum is so valuable. I have looked at and used a lot of different sequencers, but the Varigate 8+ hits a lot of high points for me, and all in 26hp. I was just thinking about purchasing one, but now I'm not so sure based on the firmware issues.

As long as I clock externally, is there any other reason to avoid?


I'm still running the old firmware and it has survived alot of jams and liveshows so even with the old firmware its a great module
pieter
SB-SIX wrote:
veets wrote:
This is forum is so valuable. I have looked at and used a lot of different sequencers, but the Varigate 8+ hits a lot of high points for me, and all in 26hp. I was just thinking about purchasing one, but now I'm not so sure based on the firmware issues.

As long as I clock externally, is there any other reason to avoid?


I'm still running the old firmware and it has survived alot of jams and liveshows so even with the old firmware its a great module


Same here (well, not the live shows), old firmware and no problems with either external or internal clocking.
Cyber-N Powers
eightball wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I am using Varigate 8+ for a while and I love the possibilities, but unfortunately even on the new mode (from Malekko website: Hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE at the same time and push RPT button) in firmware 2.0b11 clock drifts like crazy.
When I am syncing to external clock source (Arturia Beatstep, Xaoc Devices Belgrad, Mutable Instruments Peaks in LFO mode) everything seems to be right in this new mode. But whenever I unplug clock source and try to run Varigate 8+ using it's own clock it's starting to drift.
If you don't mind, please take a look on this simple example to explain what I mean:
[s]https://soundcloud.com/eightball/varigate8-clock_drift/s-kmw1y[/s]

It's made of two melodic sequences and percussion: kick, hihat, snare. Every partial is triggered from Varigate 8+. Varigate is running it's own clock.

Yes, internal clock is all over the place in this beta. I emailed the bug report email address and went back to using previous version.
zynapse
I bought a new varigate 8 last week. One of the issues I find frustrating with modules which are new to me is trying to differentiate between problems / bugs in the module and things I am doing incorrectly, especially with a reasonably complex module. Using the firmware in the module when it arrived,one of the main problems I had was that I could not remove some gates i.e. with the slider all the way to the left in probability mode the gate is still firing. Having updated to the beta firmware this issue seems to be resolved. Now the light for gate 1 either does not come on or flashes continuously even when another gate is being edited. Gate 1 functions appropriately otherwise. And the internal clock is all over the place. I understand and accept issues with test firmware. I just wish that when a module arrives new, it performs its basic functions appropriately.
Cyber-N Powers
zynapse wrote:
I bought a new varigate 8 last week. One of the issues I find frustrating with modules which are new to me is trying to differentiate between problems / bugs in the module and things I am doing incorrectly, especially with a reasonably complex module. Using the firmware in the module when it arrived,one of the main problems I had was that I could not remove some gates i.e. with the slider all the way to the left in probability mode the gate is still firing. Having updated to the beta firmware this issue seems to be resolved. Now the light for gate 1 either does not come on or flashes continuously even when another gate is being edited. Gate 1 functions appropriately otherwise. And the internal clock is all over the place. I understand and accept issues with test firmware. I just wish that when a module arrives new, it performs its basic functions appropriately.

I recommend using latest official firmware release to start with, definitely not the beta. Your problems may, as you suspect, be due to being in the wrong ‘mode’ for what you were trying to do at the time.
TemplarK
zynapse wrote:
I bought a new varigate 8 last week. One of the issues I find frustrating with modules which are new to me is trying to differentiate between problems / bugs in the module and things I am doing incorrectly, especially with a reasonably complex module. Using the firmware in the module when it arrived,one of the main problems I had was that I could not remove some gates i.e. with the slider all the way to the left in probability mode the gate is still firing. Having updated to the beta firmware this issue seems to be resolved. Now the light for gate 1 either does not come on or flashes continuously even when another gate is being edited. Gate 1 functions appropriately otherwise. And the internal clock is all over the place. I understand and accept issues with test firmware. I just wish that when a module arrives new, it performs its basic functions appropriately.


I've bought mine a while ago now and was having issues with extra gates firing all the time, it was a major pain, this beta does seem to solve that issue although it has happened, i think clearing the track and re-entering it solved it though, before this it was extremely difficult to work with because of it whenever using multiplacation mode, so if you can stick with the beta and bug test it some for extra gates that would be good actually, although i know with a new module you don't really want to be beta testing it for sure.

Just use an external clock for the moment while they sort the internal clock out. No idea when they'll finalise the FW tho...
Daduk
cavidim wrote:
from Anna (Malekko),

"we just have a few more things to finish but should be by the end of this month (going from Beta to final)"


Have the Varigate for a week now and some spare time to dive in it.

I'm having some serious clocking issues with it. Has the above mentioned update already been released? I am clocking Varigate via a Shuttle Control which is connected to Digitakt. The problems remain with both firmware versions 2.0b11 BETA and 1.0.12.
behndy
new firmware for a long released system is GOOD.

i'm wondering, and HOPING, if they plan to release a new Varigate 8+, with the gate outs on the top that. would be AWESOME.
bemushroomed
behndy wrote:
new firmware for a long released system is GOOD.

i'm wondering, and HOPING, if they plan to release a new Varigate 8+, with the gate outs on the top that. would be AWESOME.


yes, at least they fixed that on voltage block. really odd that they didn't spend at least 1 minute thinking it through which placement would work best.. one where cables will go over the buttons or the whole module/interface itself, or a placement on top where cables doesnt need to go over any part of the module and be in the way..
behndy
yur. i have a Varigate 4+ on the way, would really have rather grabbed an 8+ but..... lol. everything ELSE they make (have a Quad LFO and Envelope hitting Monday to pair with the Voltage Blocks) is lined up like that, makes sooooooo much more sense.

if they do put one out Top Mounted, i am IN.
bemushroomed
its not uncommon.

On bitbox the default is outs/ins directly below the screen so to use the screen over all the cables you have to bend your hand over the cables to be able to reach the screen. fortunately you can now flip it upside down.

Stepper Acid - ins/outs placed infront of the keybed that you are supposed to use for playing. makes zero sense..

still, i really like all those modules, but it makes you wonder how they can miss stuff like this..
behndy
it's odddddd.

yeah. i mean. if Malekko even just offered a flipped panel with a flipped UI option? sollllld.

hurm. that brings up an option. is there a way to link two Varigate 4+'s? so it cycles through the first one's 8 steps, then the second's?

that's one of the coolest features of the QuBit Octone, but those buggererers are a biiiiiit too cramped for my hands.
bemushroomed
A flipped version wouldnt be much better, cables would go over the buttons that you are supposed to work with.. unless of course you tie the cables up to go on the sides.
smurf
giftculture wrote:
it would be awesome if there was a button combo similar to holding bank/all, that would just delay every other step!

That would be great!
Cyber-N Powers
bemushroomed wrote:
A flipped version wouldnt be much better, cables would go over the buttons that you are supposed to work with.. unless of course you tie the cables up to go on the sides.

Yes, I can live with the jack/button layout, it is no more frustrating than many other modules, but I would really like sync bugs to be fixed. Did someone say they would be fixed last month?
pinkflag16
Wow. Just got one of these today, and it is a bit of work to develop some muscle memory. Very powerful module, though, and I'm sure the effort will pay off. So far I am very impressed with the completeness of it. just have to remeber to save often, since it is easy to screw up your sequence when just starting out.
behndy
yeah. i had a 4+ before, never gave it enough time to get my head around it, so when i had an 8 i trade baited it pretty quick.

mistaaaaakeeee. i am LOVING the interface. it's such a good combination of quick programming that does what you expect mixed with a beautiful range of Happy Accident options.

makes me want to grab up an 8 and deal with the Not The Best Jacks And Such placement issues.
fjoesz
yeah, totally weird that voltage bock goes out on top and vari at bottom

I would say same layout but outs on top

tendrils are a help though
behndy
coooool! i gots some Tendies en ROUTE.

i mean, i adoreeee that it looks like they realized jacks up top might be best then ROLLED WITH IT.

still want to grab a VG8. 4 is SO damn fun.
zynapse
Which firmware version responds appropriately to an external clock? I have tried the two most recent official releases (11 and 12) and out of desperation I have treid the current beta, all without success. I am clocking with PNW and I have also tried Eloquencer. A variety of things happen - usually its a slow start, sometimes a skipped step, sometimes a double hit where a single step is programmed. I would be willing to have varigate as the clock source but it also starts slowly.

I have also thought about delaying PNW output to varigate but unfortunately varigate is not consistent with how it misbehaves.

I can say for sure its the best random module I have...
pinkflag16
zynapse wrote:
Which firmware version responds appropriately to an external clock? I have tried the two most recent official releases (11 and 12) and out of desperation I have treid the current beta, all without success. I am clocking with PNW and I have also tried Eloquencer. A variety of things happen - usually its a slow start, sometimes a skipped step, sometimes a double hit where a single step is programmed. I would be willing to have varigate as the clock source but it also starts slowly.

I have also thought about delaying PNW output to varigate but unfortunately varigate is not consistent with how it misbehaves.

I can say for sure its the best random module I have...


I’m on the latest beta and have not had issues so far. I’ve clocked it with Morphagene eosg out, 2hp RND normal clock out (not randomized), and ran a few short tests with a CR-78 and click track from Logic. All good so far.
pinkflag16
Is it possible to create a mode that assigns one of the inputs to v/8 so a regular keyboard can be used to program cv in real time? The new live cv is nice, but hard to be accurate.
nedrush
Is the new firmware still in beta? Should I upgrade or perhaps wait?
behndy
a few people have written about success with using Pamela's New Workout to work resetting/sending clock to the Varigate 8, playing with the level and width settings. anybody mind sharing their settings that work?

i can get the clock to work well, the reset is always one beat off. i've tried gate and triggers, run through as many different width and level settings as i can think to..... reset is still wonky. and the reset mult'd to Voltage Block, Varigate 4+, Quad LFO and Envelope.... works fine.

i've tried each of the firmwares on the Malekko site, even the Beta. lol. when i got to 1.0.11 the reset lags one beat instead of two behind so.... progress?

any advice?
pinkflag16
pinkflag16 wrote:
zynapse wrote:
Which firmware version responds appropriately to an external clock? I have tried the two most recent official releases (11 and 12) and out of desperation I have treid the current beta, all without success. I am clocking with PNW and I have also tried Eloquencer. A variety of things happen - usually its a slow start, sometimes a skipped step, sometimes a double hit where a single step is programmed. I would be willing to have varigate as the clock source but it also starts slowly.

I have also thought about delaying PNW output to varigate but unfortunately varigate is not consistent with how it misbehaves.

I can say for sure its the best random module I have...


I’m on the latest beta and have not had issues so far. I’ve clocked it with Morphagene eosg out, 2hp RND normal clock out (not randomized), and ran a few short tests with a CR-78 and click track from Logic. All good so far.


Update: My VG started jumping a bit in song mode occasionally. Not cool! It happened both with internal and external clocks, but only a few times over the coourse of maybe 20 minutes or so. Still...
pinkflag16
double
zynapse
behndy wrote:
a few people have written about success with using Pamela's New Workout to work resetting/sending clock to the Varigate 8, playing with the level and width settings. anybody mind sharing their settings that work?

i can get the clock to work well, the reset is always one beat off. i've tried gate and triggers, run through as many different width and level settings as i can think to..... reset is still wonky. and the reset mult'd to Voltage Block, Varigate 4+, Quad LFO and Envelope.... works fine.

i've tried each of the firmwares on the Malekko site, even the Beta. lol. when i got to 1.0.11 the reset lags one beat instead of two behind so.... progress?

any advice?


For reset, this works for me, as per PNW manual:

"There are also 4 special ‘utility’ types of modifier mainly for working with external devices; constant ‘on’ and ‘off’ gates, a single initial start pulse and a single final pulse fired when the stops (both indicated by pulse symbol)."
behndy
gotcha. i'll look at that. which do you use?

the single initial start pulse seems like it would be the same issue, right now VG is always one clock pulse behind. like it resets a pulse after getting the reset, but a friend had suggested using the Stop Pulse to reset it before starting.
jwise
Chris Meyer at Learning Modular recently made a video regarding PNW and sync issues surround clocks and resets with Grids and Euclidean Circles, but I was thinking this might address some of the issues with clocks and resets on the VG8+/VB.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-UzD3jvM80
MarkF
Sorry if this is a RTFM question, but is there a way to make it so pattern changes come at the end of a bar rather than immediately when pressing a button?

I bought a VG 8+ used and currently the behavior is that patterns change immediately when you press a new pattern which has caused me to make a few timing hiccups.
Eurtrude
Hello there !

Is it possible to divide the clock of a track, then multiply it ? (or in the other way,multiply, then divide), so that weird clocks can be achieved ?

For exemple, multiply the clock by 3 and then divide by 2 to have 1.5X the clock.

I've read the manual and think it's possible but I just wanted to be sure smile

Thanks !
SB-SIX
Eurtrude wrote:
Hello there !

Is it possible to divide the clock of a track, then multiply it ? (or in the other way,multiply, then divide), so that weird clocks can be achieved ?

For exemple, multiply the clock by 3 and then divide by 2 to have 1.5X the clock.

I've read the manual and think it's possible but I just wanted to be sure smile

Thanks !


As far as I know you can either divide or multiply a track. But you could of course with external modules...
aroom
Eurtrude wrote:
Is it possible to divide the clock of a track, then multiply it ? (or in the other way,multiply, then divide), so that weird clocks can be achieved ?


yes you can. if you move the slider while pushing the track button, it will multiply. so you can do both.

p 10 from the manual

Quote:
DIVIDE/MULTIPLY:

To DIVIDE a particular pattern/sequence, make sure the GATE output you want to divide is lit. Now select the TRACK button and move the DIVIDE/MULTI- PLY slider to the right. The position of the slider affects the amount of division down to 1/16.

To MULTIPLY a particular pattern/sequence, hold the TRACK button down while you move the slider to the right. You can multiply up to 16.
Aaronautical001
But i dont think you can do this in series on a single channel within VG8.
smurf
giftculture wrote:
it would be awesome if there was a button combo similar to holding bank/all, that would just delay every other step!

This would be great as mentioned before. But what happens if the channel has a a division or multiplication of the clock set (in the track section)? How would that work - I can't "visualize"...
Thanks!
Eurtrude
Thanks all for the answers smile

@aroom : yeah I read that part but was unsure both could be done at the same time. Thanks for confirming it
aroom
new beta firmware - release candidate - available : https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/varigate-8-firmware-updates/


I wonder how the new solo function is different from the one already implemented.
jwise
With the previous beta and the current, GATE 1's button remains illuminated regardless of my chosen channel.

If I revert to the last official release the Varigate 8+ button lights work exactly as expected and will turn off when I choose another Gate or CV.

Anyone else experiencing this?
Cyber-N Powers
jwise wrote:
With the previous beta and the current, GATE 1's button remains illuminated regardless of my chosen channel.

If I revert to the last official release the Varigate 8+ button lights work exactly as expected and will turn off when I choose another Gate or CV.

Anyone else experiencing this?

If it flashes when playing, then I think it is just indicating the chosen pattern.

I’m quite liking this beta. Internal clock is much tighter, and the Voltage Block always starts on the first beat when slaved!

The CV keyboard mode is fun when it works, but I seem to keep slipping into a play mode that doesn’t record anything...until I leave the mode, then it plays back what I played last. Weird!

Overall though, a vast improvement on the previous beta firmware (for me) and I’m sticking with this for now.
srcodling
jwise wrote:
With the previous beta and the current, GATE 1's button remains illuminated regardless of my chosen channel.

Anyone else experiencing this?


Yes, I am...
srcodling
Sorry - I'm an idiot - that light is the preset number I'm on within the bank...
jwise
srcodling wrote:
Sorry - I'm an idiot - that light is the preset number I'm on within the bank...


Fair enough, but this preset number is not on in the last official firmware. How can I clear it so it is off under the beta firmware?
behndy
i think Scrodlingers Cat means when you're in a bank, whichever pattern you are currently looking at, that pattern number blinks? is that what you're talking about?

mebbe try loading another pattern, so you're in 2 or 3, see if that resolves it?

or does 1 stay solid lit? i haven't experienced that, and i'm on the most current Beta.
jwise
The button that is lit is definitely from the selected pattern. If I hit "recall" and a button I can change the light that stays on but I can't "deselect all," but I with the last official firmware the selected pattern light did NOT stay illuminated.

I should take into consideration that when I got my VG8 button #1 was minorly dysfunctional and was repaired around the time I started playing with the new beta firmware.

Maybe this is normal behavior but I never knew it?

I went back and watched Daniel Dehaan's tutorials to see if this was standard behavior but it wasn't a feature when he made the video a year and a half ago.
Cyber-N Powers
jwise wrote:
The button that is lit is definitely from the selected pattern. If I hit "recall" and a button I can change the light that stays on but I can't "deselect all," but I with the last official firmware the selected pattern light did NOT stay illuminated.

I should take into consideration that when I got my VG8 button #1 was minorly dysfunctional and was repaired around the time I started playing with the new beta firmware.

Maybe this is normal behavior but I never knew it?

I went back and watched Daniel Dehaan's tutorials to see if this was standard behavior but it wasn't a feature when he made the video a year and a half ago.


With the last official firmware release, when you first powered up, no pattern button would light up until you loaded a pattern for the first time. If you never loaded a pattern and just played around with the current pattern then you would never have seen it. I thought mine was broken the first time I selected a pattern! Behaviour may have been changed to be more consistent?
jwise
Cyber-N Powers wrote:
If you never loaded a pattern and just played around with the current pattern then you would never have seen it


Thanks for clarification. As that bit of information was not added to the change log, I could only think something was wrong with my VG8.
pinkflag16
I haven't installed the new beta firmware yet. Can anyone confirm it is stable and amazing? The last beta worked great for me except in song mode.

Not that it matters - I just listed it for sale. Going to try a Rene for a while. It's hard settling on a sequencer.
vantablack
not on the topic on the rc16 fw but since this seems like The vg thread the question should belong here.
since vg sends clock (and more?) via bus, which are the known modules that can receive anything via bus from vg8+?
murw
with this beta when I clock the Varigate externally I cannot get my Voltageblock to reset. It receives start and stop but it wont restart on the one. When I use Varigate's clock the Voltageblock resets just fine...
tried both sync modes.
Flamusic
murw wrote:
with this beta when I clock the Varigate externally I cannot get my Voltageblock to reset. It receives start and stop but it wont restart on the one. When I use Varigate's clock the Voltageblock resets just fine...
tried both sync modes.


Same here. VB does not reset with Varigate and the new Beta
behndy
i don't think reset has worked across the bus on any of the firmwares?

mannnnnnn i love this thing. since getting the reset to work properly i use it in freaking everything.

about to leave in 25 minutes to go to the airport, off to Vacation Beach Times, trying to dodge the blegh weather out here.

last noise fuckaround for about 2 weeks -

Flish
on external clock, reset doesn't work at all on the latest firmware..
bassmaster
Flish wrote:
on external clock, reset doesn't work at all on the latest firmware..


I noticed this too.
Bad thing.
Did the previous firmware work correctly with external clock and reset in?
bassmaster
Does this have something to do with this?
Latest Firmware.

SYNC/RESET MODES
There are now 2 different sync modes you can set your Varigate 8+ to in order support various clock devices like µMIDI. NOTE: You also must be in this newly added mode for RESET function to work while in internal clock as well as external clock.
To enter the newly added sync mode:
Hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE at the same time and push RPT button. If the sequence is running, you will see the RPT button is flashing to indicate this mode is now active. To switch back to the other setting, hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE and push PROB. Now the PROB button will flash.
bassmaster
Cheerio!
Reset does work with external sync and reset.
Just make the knob combo like written in the firmware update log.
I’m very happy.
Analogger
Hi, I have some strange behaviour on my varigate. The slider for step 8 remains lit at all times. Everything works as it should but the led is fully lit. Is this some kind of hidden setting or is it a fault?
rydan
bassmaster wrote:
Does this have something to do with this?
Latest Firmware.

SYNC/RESET MODES
There are now 2 different sync modes you can set your Varigate 8+ to in order support various clock devices like µMIDI. NOTE: You also must be in this newly added mode for RESET function to work while in internal clock as well as external clock.
To enter the newly added sync mode:
Hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE at the same time and push RPT button. If the sequence is running, you will see the RPT button is flashing to indicate this mode is now active. To switch back to the other setting, hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE and push PROB. Now the PROB button will flash.


So, what's the difference between the two modes? Don't think that has been written anywhere, just that there are two modes...
bassmaster
rydan wrote:
bassmaster wrote:
Does this have something to do with this?
Latest Firmware.

SYNC/RESET MODES
There are now 2 different sync modes you can set your Varigate 8+ to in order support various clock devices like µMIDI. NOTE: You also must be in this newly added mode for RESET function to work while in internal clock as well as external clock.
To enter the newly added sync mode:
Hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE at the same time and push RPT button. If the sequence is running, you will see the RPT button is flashing to indicate this mode is now active. To switch back to the other setting, hold PW, NOTE & GLIDE and push PROB. Now the PROB button will flash.


So, what's the difference between the two modes? Don't think that has been written anywhere, just that there are two modes...


I don’t know but the external sync and reset work fine now.
And you MUST use either setting to activate the external Reset I found out.
Just a firmware update alone doesn’t activate it.

Malekko could be a bit more informative about the actual settings indeed...now it’s trail and error
jwise
Firmware version 2.0 is now officially out. It is the exact same version as the last beta so if you already loaded it up, no need to upgrade to this version.
Flish
Can someone please post a link of the varigate 2.0 firmware? Not able to download it from the google docs link on the website for some reason.

solved

Syncing well with external clocks thumbs up
what gives?
I'd like to randomize sequences with gate probability values either 0 or 100%. Is it possible to disable gate probability other than 0 or 100%?
smurf
Malekko have kindly added the idea for a more global (Linn type) swing function affecting all alternate beats as a feature request. Maybe if more people requested it (email them through support) - they may bump it up...
nano_granny
Okay, Updated the firmware this afternoon and I've trawled the v2 manual, and attempted to stop the gate1 button flashing. I cannot seem to do it.

I've tried going into the other modes, banks etc but it refuses to stop flashing.

Am I going mad, is it by design, or is there something weird going on?

Any help appreciated, ta
bassmaster
nano_granny wrote:
Okay, Updated the firmware this afternoon and I've trawled the v2 manual, and attempted to stop the gate1 button flashing. I cannot seem to do it.

I've tried going into the other modes, banks etc but it refuses to stop flashing.

Am I going mad, is it by design, or is there something weird going on?

Any help appreciated, ta


Try to save a pattern to it and recall
nano_granny
bassmaster wrote:
nano_granny wrote:
Okay, Updated the firmware this afternoon and I've trawled the v2 manual, and attempted to stop the gate1 button flashing. I cannot seem to do it.

I've tried going into the other modes, banks etc but it refuses to stop flashing.

Am I going mad, is it by design, or is there something weird going on?

Any help appreciated, ta


Try to save a pattern to it and recall


Yeah tried that, still the same.!
TemplarK
Shouldn’t the gate that’s flashing be the one your currently editing? What does the gate your editing do stay solid?

I’m still on the beta I’ll upgrade later it’s working for me don’t want anymore problems tbh....
nano_granny
TemplarK wrote:
Shouldn’t the gate that’s flashing be the one your currently editing? What does the gate your editing do stay solid?

I’m still on the beta I’ll upgrade later it’s working for me don’t want anymore problems tbh....


Ah, finally sussed it. It was me being thick. It is the marker for current preset you're in.

Thanks Bassmaster / TemplarK

Although by design, not sure I like the fact it flashes at the same rate as the clock input.

I know I'm being picky, but Malekko, any chance you could tame it down a bit please?
pinkflag16
I'm thinking of keeping my VG8+, but a couple of things would make it much better:

- A smoothing function (like the VB has) to allow use without an envelope with no clicking. I'm sending all 8 channels into VCAs with sines, and it would be really nice to avoid patching in 8 envelopes. Especially since I currently only have 6!

- A per channel trigger mode, for pinging filters, etc. Gates double-trigger.
bassmaster
Hi there Varigate users and Malekko

Varigate 8+ pattern/preset behaviour....
When switching a running preset to another preset it changes instantly instead of waiting to complete the previous pattern/preset like most sequencers do.
Can this be changed in the settings?

And if not, please make this possible in the next firmware update please.
TemplarK
bassmaster wrote:
Hi there Varigate users and Malekko

Varigate 8+ pattern/preset behaviour....
When switching a running preset to another preset it changes instantly instead of waiting to complete the previous pattern/preset like most sequencers do.
Can this be changed in the settings?

And if not, please make this possible in the next firmware update please.


I like the instant change and use song mode otherwise. I'd like the option i guess, honestly don't hold out much hope for Malekko working on this firmware anymore though tbh.
Daduk
Solved: restarting my case sometimes does wonders;)

Hi all,

It seems like I can't copy my patterns/sequences as stated in the manual. it should be as easy as the manual states right? Hold the source channel and press the destination channel?

To copy a sequence from one channel to another, hold the source channel and press the destination channel.

Am I missing something? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
cocoon
Daduk wrote:
Solved: restarting my case sometimes does wonders;)

Hi all,

It seems like I can't copy my patterns/sequences as stated in the manual. it should be as easy as the manual states right? Hold the source channel and press the destination channel?

To copy a sequence from one channel to another, hold the source channel and press the destination channel.

Am I missing something? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!


This is slightly off. You need to be on the source channel then click SAVE and the destination channel.
Daduk
True!

cocoon wrote:
Daduk wrote:
Solved: restarting my case sometimes does wonders;)

Hi all,

It seems like I can't copy my patterns/sequences as stated in the manual. it should be as easy as the manual states right? Hold the source channel and press the destination channel?

To copy a sequence from one channel to another, hold the source channel and press the destination channel.

Am I missing something? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!


This is slightly off. You need to be on the source channel then click SAVE and the destination channel.
Dennis
good morning you guys!

i use variate 8+ with my confundo funkitus and sometimes it sends dual triggers i.e. it triggers where it shouldn't send triggers out.

sometimes it runs smoothly like it should but sometimes (especially after just starting up my rack) it just triggers randomly.

i tried using new banks, new patterns, creating new ones but i couldn't find out where the problem is....
playing with it for a while and the behavior will stop but i would like to know where that comes from....
(1-4 is normal four to the floor beats and 5-8 i use for fills and switch between them with CF)
confundo funkitus in every mode and even using zularic repetitor as fill generator won't guarantee to work......
maybe confundo funkitus is the problem? i don't know Dead Banana
lisa
Got V8+ a week ago and it lives up to all of my expectations, both the positive and the negative ones. wink

I expected it to be a bit disorientating and not lending itself well to backtracking patches in order to make adjustments. Boy, was I right. On the other hand it's really powerful and cheerful, which is a fun combination. It seems one can churn out the basis for a full track in minutes with melodies, beats, glides, thrills, probability and a bunch of randomized steps. Lovely!
honeysmack
Could someone please let me know the settings for successfully syncing Pamela's New Workout to the V8+. Can't seem to get both units to play nicely.

MASTER: Varigate8+ CLK OUT to -->
SLAVE: Pamela's input, PPQN?

Or should the Varigate be the SLAVE (not preferable)? I'm also using the Voltage Block in the same rack.

Thank you!
stujay18
I’ve never had any issues with the v8 being reliant on the PMW, which is meant to be a primary clock anyway. Why isn’t that preferable for you?
honeysmack
stujay18 wrote:
I’ve never had any issues with the v8 being reliant on the PMW, which is meant to be a primary clock anyway. Why isn’t that preferable for you?


all good, my 4ms DLD was sending clock over the bus that was messing with everything! PAM and V8+ now working fine. V8 is the master clock.
stujay18
Ah I recently had a similar issue with a doepfer module sharing the bus. Glad you caught it!
pieter
Hmm... could you elaborate on the DLD sharing the bus and how you fixed it? My V8+ is slaved to PNW, and I'm having some issues with syncing and resetting (especially when PNW is outputting swinged pulses).
lisa
It seems as if the first trigger channel takes in data from the faders every time I power on my rack. So if I had a pattern there when I turned off my rack that pattern will be replaced with a pattern based on the positions of the faders next time that I power on. Is this normal?
lohacker
lisa wrote:
It seems as if the first trigger channel takes in data from the faders every time I power on my rack. So if I had a pattern there when I turned off my rack that pattern will be replaced with a pattern based on the positions of the faders next time that I power on. Is this normal?


I have a basic standard pattern saved in 1st slot and it plays it regularly on power up even if the sliders are in another position.
Pailo
pieter wrote:
Hmm... could you elaborate on the DLD sharing the bus and how you fixed it? My V8+ is slaved to PNW, and I'm having some issues with syncing and resetting (especially when PNW is outputting swinged pulses).


DLD has a jumper on the back at the top.
It says clock bus and can send clock or receive
from the bus. If you take the jumper off the back
then you use the ping input or the button on the front.

Most of 4ms can send and receive on the clock bus.
Also patching to the ping input can override...
but if you get strange results take the DLD off the bus.

This can sometimes confuse VG8+ or VG4+ or Pams. So be careful.
I recommend having the jumper off so the VG is the bus clock leader.
muddy ranks
I got my hands on a V-gate 8+ and it's fun so far. Weird thing though, when I press play it doesn't send the first 4 of sixteen gates, initially, but does so when the pattern repeats. (Not hooked up to an external clock.)
aroom
you could try to install (or re-install) the latest firmware

you can also open a ticket on malekko's website, but unfortunately they are not really fast at answering - I have an opened ticket waiting for a month now

good luck
shanebroderick
How do you know what firmware this guy is running?

I just received a new unit today and want to make sure I am on the latest the firmware.
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