Mungo g0 - Simple Demos plus visual Guide

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Mungo g0 - Simple Demos plus visual Guide

Post by timoka » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:46 am

so i decided to make some simple demos of the mungo g0 which surprises me still everyday.
since i always need quite some time to get into it again, i decided to make a simple visual guide
about how to set up the module for sample playback or live input. i will upload the pdf later if there is interest.
so here are two simple demos of the g0 as a granular sample playback machine:




this is sample playback with a unipolar ramp lfo into the depth modulation input.
depth offset knob is with zoom out in center position, this is the startpoint of the loaded sample.
the attenuation depends on the sample length, speed of the incoming wave and also the Voltage.
so it is quite fiddly to find the right spot but with zoom in it is possible to find it.
grain width is set to very very small which is again appr. the center position of the width offset knob when zoomed out.
i change it a bit during the playback. manual control of pitch to show that pitch and speed are independant.




here i have the same file loaded but changed the modulation of the depth from a lfo to a manual joystick control (planar).
i used the x axis out as sample playback position. since the sample is quite long, the finest touch of the joystick scrubbs
through the sample, right movement gives me forward playback, left movement backwards playback.
the joystick output is unipolar, this is important! at the end of the file i set the y axis out to grain width modulation input,
from there on it's just me playing with the joystick.




pretty much the same setup than with the last speech sample but now with some drum loops loaded.
it was very hard and time consuming to find the right attenuation for the depth modulation input so it is "perfectly"
synchronised to the lfo which moves the grains through the sample. i used a unipolar saw wave lfo and attenuated
it negative into g0's depth mod input, but before that i put it through a polarizer so i could change direction
of the playback to backwards. again the joystick for pitch and grain width control.
although the s0 is more fitted for syncing loops, i really enjoy playing samples so fluidly! for example when i change
the saw to a ramp wave the playback changes to backwards but when i open the grain width a bit more,
one can clearly hear that the grains are still playing forward...this sounds great with transient heavy material like drums!
an envelope follower gets the drum loop and modulates an r-54 filter which receives a copy of the drum loop. some erbeverb.


here is a first sheet for the above playback setup:

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and here a simple illustration on how the zoom switch changes the knob behavior:

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(Mungo has also a interactive zoom demo here: http://mungo.com.au/eurozoom.html)










an update on this post for some sort of wavetable-ish use of the g0:
(so still in sample / sd card mode)




now before i do the live modes i wanted to show the simple 1V/oct playing of samples on the g0.
it is theoretical possible to use the g0 as a wavetable osc when loading single cycle waveform
(as mungo demonstrates in one of his videos). but i find it impossible to set the grain size so small
that you get a smooth repeating of this single cycle...maybe i'm too stupid or i didn't tried that hard...
anyway i made my own waves, played with different synths to make a few 4-5 second long samples of tones.
some of them are quite static but others had quite some movement and i think the ones with movement
work pretty good for this setup. i played with a doepfer ribbon controller, pitch to the 1v/oct input
and pressure to the width mod input, so when i press harder the grains move through the sample.
manual changing of the grain size. some light eq and delay itb. don't expect music here, this is just me, randomly pressing the ribbon!

and here is the sheet for this setup:

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as i wrote above i can make other sheets for the g0 but only if there is some interest in this.
and of course, every hint, help or correction is very much appreciated, i also wrote john about this.
so for example i really would like to understand how the depth modulation input works,
in mungo's manual there is this written: linearly scaled in volts per second of delay/offset time.
this is sadly beyond my current understanding of the module, but i guess my discovery,
that the voltage of the input changes the speed of the playback has to do with this scaling!?!
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Post by T. Jervell » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:43 pm

Nice work!! :yay:

Got my g0 the other day, and I absolutely LOVE it!
Think I've got my brain wrapped around some of it's "quirks", but would appreciate all the tips and hints I could get :party:

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Post by timoka » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:04 pm

well i guess the hardest part is always remembering the zoom control changes you did...
the current knob position doesnt help you visually figuring out what cv does by how much and why...
so thats why i did this, and it also helps alot to have the macro machines storage strip
to save a few start configurations, but then its even more confusing to see whats going on since the knobs dont change position haha!
but yeah, it is a phenomenal module!!

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Post by T. Jervell » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:10 pm

I got the mungo zoom, not the macro with save, so I always "know" (well I don't) where I start from :lol:
But have yet to try the live modes, so your guides are gonna come handy when I try those out tomorrow :bananaguitar:
THANK YOU :hail:

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Post by timoka » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:15 pm

yeah i will do the live modes sheets next, those are a bit more difficult!
you can for example pitch your audio input "almost instantly" down to cv...

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Post by T. Jervell » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:01 pm

timoka wrote:you can for example pitch your audio input "almost instantly" down to cv...
This.... :love:
Really looking forward :tu:

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Post by FatRocky » Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:33 pm

This is great

Thanks a lot mate! :yay: :party:

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Post by ether » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:37 pm

Good job.

Can I suggest you attach a couple of samples to this thread to accompany your guide? That would be a good way to help people get repeatable results.

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Post by timoka » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:35 am

i will do samples when i really get repeatable results :)

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Post by Southfork » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:03 am

Great stuff, just got one of these and spent 2 days learning what you've put in the 3 diagrams :doh:

Nothing sounds like a mungo module, ditched clouds a day after hearing g0 demos :bananaguitar:

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Post by andersskibsted » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:13 am

Really great work! Thanks!
And looking very much forward to if you are making some sort of guide for the live mode.

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Post by Thulo » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:46 am

I made this little crappy video some years ago. Mayby it can add to the subject...
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Post by timoka » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:46 pm

thanks thulo! that's exactly how i used it in the second example!
...now i added a drum sync example...but as i wrote above, thats really the strenght of the s0.
next up are simple live input samples and a sheet for it.

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Post by gwpt » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:58 pm

This is great, thanks for doing this.

I still cant my head ahead around the live mode at all :bang: :bang:

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Post by timoka » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:06 pm

yeah, the live modes are difficult, i too have problems to replicate exact settings, thats why it will take a while to make the sheet and the recordings,
i dont want to make just something that sounds nice but was a lucky "accident".
it is very rewarding though, smooth live pitch shifting is great! or granular delays etc...

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Post by timoka » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:51 am

...i updated the post for another sheet and demo of a wavetabelish use of the g0...

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Post by timoka » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:09 am

this was mentioned in another g0 thread, but it is worth mentioning here again. since the grain size changes when changing the pitch, eg longer grains when pitching down...also the grain envelopes change accordingly, the overlapping of the grains...it is a bit sad that one doesnt have control over this...this is especially noticable in live mode when looping in the longest grain possible, the x fade envelopes are then also reeeaally long...

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Post by Southfork » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:09 pm

Haven't tried the wave table mode yet, Would love more info on live input manipulation. Loving the guides, long overdue :)

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Post by cracki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:24 am

Thanks, great, fantastic.
The g0 sounds amazing. Best granular module i've heard so far.

How much knob tweaking before you really get the sounds you are looking for?

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Post by timoka » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:41 am

thanks cracki, i too think that it's compared to the other granular modules far better, the lack of certain controls is a bit sad but the sound is awesome and it invites for experimentation, all mungo modules do that and thats the beauty of them, real workhorses!
i get faster and faster to the results i want now that i played with it day after day. to really understand and learn how to use the zoom control is the most important part imo. i now often set some zoomed out attenuation on every mod input and use external attenuators like triatt for turning the knobs, that way i can forget about the zoom control.
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Post by timoka » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:16 am

updated the zoom control sheet, correction and stuff.

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Post by timoka » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:20 am

Southfork wrote:Haven't tried the wave table mode yet, Would love more info on live input manipulation. Loving the guides, long overdue :)
there isnt a real wavetable mode on the g0. it's just possible to sort of use it as a wavetable osc.
mungo even made a very nice software to make your own single cycle waveforms, but as i wrote above,
i find it impossible to set the grain so small to really just cycle the single waveforms without artefacts...
if someone here can correct me or help me with this i would be very happy.
in my example i used it more like a conventional sampler with longer waves but with grains moving through the set range.

here is the link to mungo's software:
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Post by Southfork » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:59 am

timoka wrote:
Southfork wrote:Haven't tried the wave table mode yet, Would love more info on live input manipulation. Loving the guides, long overdue :)
there isnt a real wavetable mode on the g0. it's just possible to sort of use it as a wavetable osc.
mungo even made a very nice software to make your own single cycle waveforms, but as i wrote above,
i find it impossible to set the grain so small to really just cycle the single waveforms without artefacts...
if someone here can correct me or help me with this i would be very happy.
in my example i used it more like a conventional sampler with longer waves but with grains moving through the set range.

here is the link to mungo's software:
viewtopic.php?t=98958
I was thinking when I wrote the post, mode, function, option? :P
I take it you have the zoom fitted correctly? I sometimes find the zoom in is actually too detailed.

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Post by cracki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:07 pm

Did you also use other modules or any other processing on the speech files?

The sound really is fantastic.
I assume the g0 isn't your only mungo module. Which ones do you have? Hard question, but can you do a ranking of which module you would get first/last?

Thanks.

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Post by huffnPuff » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:40 pm

The g0 has a reputation for being hard to control, but you make it look very easy.

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