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Post by wednesdayayay » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:26 am

http://www.lzxindustries.net/product/cyclops/

yipes I can't wait to get this module
Laser control incorporated into my wife's theatre specific video rig would be awesome


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"Available August 2016.

Explore another new realm of voltage control with the first EuroRack-to-ILDA Laser Projector interface! Cyclops is an interface module which converts EuroRack modular signals to the International Laser Display Association (ILDA) specification for laser show projectors. We recommend connecting Cyclops to a EuroRack modular system rich in VCOs (especially quadrature sources), multipliers, and signal mixers in order to synthesize a full range of oscillographics patterns and lissajous geometries.

5 channel interface: X & Y Position (+/-5V) and Red, Green & Blue (0-5V.) Configuration switches on the module rear alternatively allow selection of LZX video standard signals (0-1V.)
Voltage Control Input, Voltage Control Attenuator and Bias Control per input channel.
Input inversion switches for X & Y voltage control inputs.
Master XY scale control sets overall size of laser image.
ILDA standard differential output drivers for each channel to ILDA standard DB25 connector port. A DB25 serial cable is all you need to connect this module to a wide range of compatible laser projectors.
Selectable low-pass filters on X & Y channels with settings for 20KPPS and 30KPPS projectors & filter bypass.
Compatible with TTL RGB and Analogue RGB color lasers.
Interlock & Shutter switches for remote control of laser projector.
Warning! High frequency signals can damage some laser projectors. While the module does include field and bench tested protection filtering against high frequencies as a default feature, you should always listen for loud buzzing or distorted noises coming from your projector which may indicate it is being driven faster than its galvos can handle. Adjust filter settings and use this module at your own risk. "[/img]
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Post by mckenic » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:47 am

I think I have been dreaming about this for years (if it does what I think it does)!

My 1st LZX or any video module!

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Post by wednesdayayay » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:35 am

yes I think this will be a big one and the idea that you can switch the voltage range between audio and video standards via the module is perfect
sh is the sound of data
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Post by nickciontea » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:22 pm

this module will be much more powerful in audio cases. where cheap oscillations and quadratures are plenty.

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Post by AR126 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:09 pm

Props to Lars...

man,he wasn't kidding when he said "big times ahead for LZX" :woah:
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Post by wednesdayayay » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:25 pm

and here all my audio stuff goes 0-10v poo
sh is the sound of data
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Post by Jasper » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:58 pm

what a great time to be an LZX'ist

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Post by Dirty_Bill » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:13 pm

wednesdayayay wrote:and here all my audio stuff goes 0-10v poo
Luckily, Scaling is pretty easy fix! :banana:

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Post by makers » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:10 am

Mutable Instruments Tides had a Plotter Easter egg feature. I think it drew a single stored image. I'm interested in revisiting that in this context.

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Post by justscratch » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:23 pm

price seems pretty decent at 249.00

someone can possibly school me on what to look for in terms of laser features for a small room?

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Post by gearhead61 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:39 am

justscratch wrote:price seems pretty decent at 249.00

someone can possibly school me on what to look for in terms of laser features for a small room?
We have a thread going about that very subject over on PhotonLexicon:

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/sho ... post329145

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Post by nickciontea » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:59 am

has anyone started implementing this design in their rig? i think nerd audio is looking to pick 1-2 up and then i'll be able to test in their lighting demo room. im on the line about it. sounds crazy exciting but im worried about damaging an expensive laser as well.

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Post by Ddorward » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:52 pm

That's the reason I've held off on getting a laser-- I want to hear the experiences of cyclops owners first.....

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Post by Jasper » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:37 pm

Just got mine, unfortunately haven't pulled the trigger on a laser yet. Prolly order something up this week though.

Shouldn't damage a decent laser, given that it's buffered to not allow more than 20kpps-30kpps (can switch between the two w/ a toggle on the back)

Really rad that you can also toggle between +-5v or 0-1v, since I foresee mine partying w/ Batumi alot

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Post by nathanxl » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:58 am

Ok.
So its time for me to buy a projector for this Cyclops I have sitting on my bench.
The forum linked above doesnt really give much info (yet) but I figure it would be nice to have the info here...
That video is perfect, if it could be known what projector was used in the making it would give a good start.

Im looking for RGB Analogue, 40kpps galvos (if possible) and able to fit in a carry on sized case...
Budget around $1000.

Please help, I want to get started.
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Post by makers » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:00 am

I ordered one of these yesterday:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-500mW-RGB- ... xyuGFRzicL

Based on a photo on LZX's Facebook page and Lars mentioning a $300 price tag, I'm fairly certian it is very close to what they used in the video.

For my experimentations, I'm sticking with something at or below 500 mW. I believe anything above that is a class 4 laser.

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Post by samn » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:13 pm

Edit: looking into some other US sources after nathans catch - definitely looking at analog laser over TTL.

I'll definitely post some videos when I get the cyclops in hand.
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Post by nathanxl » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:44 pm

@ makers. The MX Mini is 20kpps. Do you think that is fast enough to do those shapes in the video above?
@samn. Is the caliente ILDA? Also is it your preference to use TTL colour modulation over Analogue?
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Post by samn » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:06 pm

nathanxl wrote:@ makers. The MX Mini is 20kpps. Do you think that is fast enough to do those shapes in the video above?
@samn. Is the caliente ILDA? Also is it your preference to use TTL colour modulation over Analogue?
Wow good catch, for some reason I had a different spec sheet that said it was analogue. I am definitely going to be purchasing an analog laser over TTL - unfortunately these things are really poorly documented around different dealers and websites. Anyway, I want a live demo of one locally before I buy, I definitely am not plopping a grand down over EBAY to china...

Edit update: looking at this soon: http://www.pssl.com/Lasers-for-DJs-and- ... c-FX-Laser
30k galvos, analog, it's only 400mw but it says it can play venues up to 500 people. I have been looking at x-laser because of their warranty and variance kit, I play in LA at legit venues and I don't want to get hassled.
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Post by Ty » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:10 pm

samn wrote:I'm grabbing a laser this week, looking to get this demo'd locally. http://www.hollywooddj.com/x-laser-cali ... #gsc.tab=0

I'll definitely post some videos when I get the cyclops in hand.

Hey Sam, any idea what speed that projector is? I couldn't find it in the specs.

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Post by Ty » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:11 pm

Ty wrote:
samn wrote:I'm grabbing a laser this week, looking to get this demo'd locally. http://www.hollywooddj.com/x-laser-cali ... #gsc.tab=0

I'll definitely post some videos when I get the cyclops in hand.

Hey Sam, any idea what speed that projector is? I couldn't find it in the specs.[/quote


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Post by samn » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:17 pm

So I am way late to this but I had to ORDER this laser from SoCal even though I am 1 hour away because this place was only open from 10-6 and not open on weekends :bang:

Anyway, I settled on http://www.pssl.com/Lasers-for-DJs-and- ... c-FX-Laser and tried it for the first time last night using a slew of modules and it is wicked fucking bright and awesome. I haven't had a chance to use any smoke, hopefully testing with tonight. I will take pictures.

The setup is extremely responsive. I tried LZX oscillators as well as a doepfer 110 oscillator and LFO. I only noticed squeeling if I cranked the LZX oscillators but the doepfer LFO produced it rather quickly.

Disclaimer: I set mine to 30k and Lars told me to put it back to 20k tonight and try it again (my galvos are 30k) so I'll post results.

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Post by samn » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:16 pm

So, its pretty amazing. The long and short of it is that it is definitely worth it to dive into this module+laser. The action is very similar to an oscilloscope but with a LASER. Here is some quick video + a couple pics. I found that you need to amplify the LZX oscillators using TVP or TVFKG to get larger images. I ended up using a doepfer LFO and oscillator because I need to free up LZX oscillators for projection. Check it out!

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Post by eth » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:29 pm

Those look awesome Sam! So, could this "oscilloscope music" conceivably be reproduced with the Cyclops + Laser?


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