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FH-1 with IPAD , best midi solution contest!
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Setherian
So I see that according to the official youtube channel, its either iconnect midi+2 or 2 prodipes and that weird adapter i couldnt find anywhere.

But in my case, I would prefer to not use my computer, so would the prodipe solution be the only way?
Anyone can point out to their favorite solutions and tell me if there are eventual issues with any? I want to use my FH-1 with Lemur and TC-Data mostly in a computerless gig scenario, does the iconnectmidi midi+2 only work with a computer along? Will I eventually want bi directional link with LEmur/TC Data? Does iconnectmidi midi+2 offer that? In case I use a computer, does Touch OSC offer any disadvantages like jitter/latency/instability compared to a physical independent interface?

I know this are a lot of questions, but, its a highly important subject! cool
os
You don't need a computer to use an iConnectMIDI. See the videos on http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/fh1.html.
mudlogger
No computer necessary just ipad + iconnectmidi2+ and FH-1
All the correct cables come with the iconnectmidi2+
I use it with Lemur and TC Data



https://instagram.com/p/BG_S2WJG9Sj/

https://instagram.com/p/BHHfkFLDi-9/

https://instagram.com/p/BHW10ExDaLM/
greenanother
mudlogger wrote:
No computer necessary just ipad + iconnectmidi2+ and FH-1
All the correct cables come with the iconnectmidi2+
I use it with Lemur and TC Data



https://instagram.com/p/BG_S2WJG9Sj/

https://instagram.com/p/BHHfkFLDi-9/

https://instagram.com/p/BHW10ExDaLM/


How are you using TC-Data on the ipad with FH-1 through iconnect midi? I've tried everything and can't get it to work.

On the TC-Data web page (under Bluetooth, etc. paragraph) it states, "Or choose from available 3rd party iOS apps that create connections over the USB cable." I've tried these apps and they don't hold a connecton for more than a few minutes.

Web page: http://www.bitshapesoftware.com/instruments/tc-data/
mudlogger
greenanother wrote:
mudlogger wrote:
No computer necessary just ipad + iconnectmidi2+ and FH-1
All the correct cables come with the iconnectmidi2+
I use it with Lemur and TC Data



https://instagram.com/p/BG_S2WJG9Sj/

https://instagram.com/p/BHHfkFLDi-9/

https://instagram.com/p/BHW10ExDaLM/


How are you using TC-Data on the ipad with FH-1 through iconnect midi? I've tried everything and can't get it to work.

On the TC-Data web page (under Bluetooth, etc. paragraph) it states, "Or choose from available 3rd party iOS apps that create connections over the USB cable." I've tried these apps and they don't hold a connecton for more than a few minutes.

Web page: http://www.bitshapesoftware.com/instruments/tc-data/


I've had no issues with TC-Data. Its set to virtual midi output.
greenanother
mudlogger wrote:


I've had no issues with TC-Data. Its set to virtual midi output.


Yes, Virtual Midi output, but could you give me an example of how a typical patch (sequencer/note output/lfo) is set up? For example: iConnect midi+USB 2/CH 1?
mudlogger
greenanother wrote:
mudlogger wrote:


I've had no issues with TC-Data. Its set to virtual midi output.


Yes, Virtual Midi output, but could you give me an example of how a typical patch (sequencer/note output/lfo) is set up? For example: iConnect midi+USB 2/CH 1?


im not at home at the moment to check, but i know everything goes via Ch 1 and i was using the "random everything" template. USB2/CH 1

Can you be a bit clearer on your issue. You said you tried everything - what did you try? What works, what doesn't work. Does the FH-1 usb light show connected when you connect to iconnectmidi 2+. Do other apps work or is it just TC-Data problem?
greenanother
mudlogger wrote:
greenanother wrote:
mudlogger wrote:


I've had no issues with TC-Data. Its set to virtual midi output.


Yes, Virtual Midi output, but could you give me an example of how a typical patch (sequencer/note output/lfo) is set up? For example: iConnect midi+USB 2/CH 1?


im not at home at the moment to check, but i know everything goes via Ch 1 and i was using the "random everything" template. USB2/CH 1

Can you be a bit clearer on your issue. You said you tried everything - what did you try? What works, what doesn't work. Does the FH-1 usb light show connected when you connect to iconnectmidi 2+. Do other apps work or is it just TC-Data problem?


Thanks for the reply. I'll have to try again and report back when I have a moment, but I had everything set up as you listed and did not get a response from the FH-1 USB led or the iconnect midi leds (showing that no midi is being received at all). As soon as I try another application with midi out I get a response from all of those leds (telling me that it's a TC-Data issue). Maybe I just need to uninstall and reinstall TC-Data. Sounds ridiculous, but you never know.
greenanother
Ok, so I finally figured it out. I can send midi through the iconnectmidi4+ via a USB cable (without any additional applications), BUT as soon as I change presets (top left folder), I completely lose the connection. The only way I can send data again is to exit TC-Data, unplug the cable, open TC-Data again, and plug in the cable again. I've done this many times to confirm, and it happens every time.

@mudlogger could you test this out and see if the same happens to you? maybe it's an issue with iconnectmidi4+ that doesn't occur with iconnectmidi2+? seriously, i just don't get it
mudlogger
This has never happened to me on my iconnectmidi2+
Sounds like you have some software conflict.

One thing i would do is update everything to the latest rev :

- FH-1 - im on 1.5
- TC-Data - im on 1.2.5
- IPad - im on 9.3.2
- iConnectmidi4+ - im on 1.0.8 using iConnectmidi2+
i used the iConfig app to update the firmware.

One thing i have noticed is you need to get the correct sequence when plugging everything together.

- turn the modular on/off to clear the FH-1
- connect all the cables from FH-1 to iConnectmidi to iPad.
- unplug and replug in both iConnect cables on the front of the iConnectmidi hub until the usb lights up on the FH-1. So on the FH-1, red light on usb on, red light on 1 on.
- The last thing i do is open TC Data app.
- Check your midi settings in TC Data
greenanother
mudlogger wrote:
This has never happened to me on my iconnectmidi2+
Sounds like you have some software conflict.

One thing i would do is update everything to the latest rev :

- FH-1 - im on 1.5
- TC-Data - im on 1.2.5
- IPad - im on 9.3.2
- iConnectmidi4+ - im on 1.0.8 using iConnectmidi2+
i used the iConfig app to update the firmware.

One thing i have noticed is you need to get the correct sequence when plugging everything together.

- turn the modular on/off to clear the FH-1
- connect all the cables from FH-1 to iConnectmidi to iPad.
- unplug and replug in both iConnect cables on the front of the iConnectmidi hub until the usb lights up on the FH-1. So on the FH-1, red light on usb on, red light on 1 on.
- The last thing i do is open TC Data app.
- Check your midi settings in TC Data


Thank you for taking the time to outline all of this for me. I took your advice and updated the ipad and iconnectmidi4+ (FH-1 had already been updated a month prior), and unfortunately I still have the same situation. I emailed the TC-Data developer, so we'll see how that goes.

For now, the only thing that works when I want to change presets, is to unplug the ipad, exit TC-Data, open TC-Data, and plug the ipad back in. Interestingly, if I'm using one preset and unplug the ipad, I can just plug the cable back in and it continues to work no problem. It's ONLY when I change presets that I lose the connection (and unfortunately your suggestion of opening TC-Data last in the chain doesn't help).

Also interesting is that TC-Data works for me with no Midi options selected in the settings menu (meaning I do not have the Virtual Midi port selected as you do). Having it selected seems to make no difference whatsoever for me.

Thanks again for your help, and I'll post back here if things get resolved. In the meantime, I suppose restarting everything is not so bad.
pzoot
If using an iPad via an iconnectmidi 2+ without a computer, does the FH-1 send clock back to the iPad for sync? If so, how is the general quality of the sync? Usable? I use an ERM Multiclock for sync generally ... would I get better sync running that into the iconnectmidi to the iPad? Would rather not give up the ERM channel, but understand there are limits to USB capabailities.
pzoot
Sorry one more ... I know ES3 is recommended over FH-1 for getting CV outs from computer. (And other handy uses like sending audio at modular levels) But I need something that doesn't use ADAT or SPDIF for this particular purpose. If limited mostly to sending triggers, gates and note pitches from a DAW ... any particular weakness of using FH-1 via iconnectmidi 2+ vs ES3?
os
Quote:
If using an iPad via an iconnectmidi 2+ without a computer, does the FH-1 send clock back to the iPad for sync?

Yes.

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But I need something that doesn't use ADAT or SPDIF for this particular purpose.

ES-8?
pzoot
Thanks Os - I wanted to be able to use this away from the computer as well - so solving for multiple potential use cases. ES8 doesn't have the FH-1's standalone MIDI capabilities I assume?

I have an ES3 ... maybe will consider that inexpensive standalone ADAT adaptor I've seen on here ... but don't want to have to deal with running an aggregate device if I don't have to. And like I said would like to not be tied down to a computer for this purpose (I know ... I'm all over the place!!)

Thanks
auxren
What about best solution to get audio I/O along with MIDI I/O from an iPad? Ideally I could use something like a lightning hub to connect my iPad to the iConnectMIDI along with my Audio Damage Odio
pzoot
auxren wrote:
What about best solution to get audio I/O along with MIDI I/O from an iPad? Ideally I could use something like a lightning hub to connect my iPad to the iConnectMIDI along with my Audio Damage Odio


Yeah, that would be great in one module, but for some reason it seems to be the holy grail in eurorack. Any chance the ES-8 could get that functionality in the future ... to carry audio and midi thru the USB connection, including sync from a clocked ES-8 input? Or is different hardware needed?
os
That's perfectly possible, but it would make for a fat module. My aim with the ES-8 was to keep it compact.
pzoot
Yeah, compact is definitely important
bentoncbainbridge
I'm having problems getting my FH-1 to recognize MIDI from my iPad 1st Generation running Lemur.

I have the iPad1 "Camera Connection Kit" USB port connected to iConnectMIDI2+ USB1 (the port with handheld and the computer display icons) and the FH-1 is connected to USB2 (port with the computer display icon). When I connect, the iPad says "Cannot Use Device: The connected USB Device requires too much power." This message appears whether or not I use a 5V wallwart with the iConnectMIDI2+

Any tips? Is anyone else trying this with 1st Gen iPads? (I prefer iPad1 because I can get them cheap in quantity and they don't have a built-in camera. And I have these cool mic stand clips for them)

thanks in advance!
os
Have you asked iConnectivity if their devices are compatible with 1st gen iPads?
bentoncbainbridge
os wrote:
Have you asked iConnectivity if their devices are compatible with 1st gen iPads?


I have. They are looking into it.

FH-1 works fine with my Macbook Air running VDMX via iConnectMIDI2+.

FH-1 does not respond to iPad1 nor Behringer CMD-MM1
bentoncbainbridge
Here's the reply from iConnect tech support:

"Dear Benton Bainbridge,

The problem is that you have to connect the iConnectMIDI2+ to a computer device. It won't work in anything else.

Sorry, I didn't understand this the first time I read it."
os
You are connecting it to a computer device - an iPad.
bentoncbainbridge
Os, yes- you and I know that. Apparently iConnectivity doesn't. Furthermore, it's unclear whether iPad 1 requires their special cable http://www.iconnectivity.com/products/accessories/inline-30pin-cable

the specs page only states it's needed for iPad 2nd Generation http://www.iconnectivity.com/products/midi/iConnectMIDI2plus

Have you talked with iConnectivity about using iPad 1st/2nd Generation with the FH-1?

Do you have an idea why the Behringer CMD-MM1 doesn't work with FH-1?

So far I have the FH-1 working with:

-Macbook Air running VDMX
-"Binary Pattern Generator" a unique custom MIDI pattern generator module

the FH-1 does not work with:

-iPad 1 through Camera Connection Kit via iConnectivityMIDI2+
- Behringer CMD-MM1. Neither direct connection (via USB "A" coupler) nor iConnectMIDI2+ work
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