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LZX Cyclops - EuroRack Laser Projector Interface Module

Post by ignatius » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:04 pm

Frickin Laser beams!!

Modules used include (1) LZX Industries Cyclops, (3) Doepfer A-143-9 Quadrature VCLFO and (1) Doepfer A-132-3 Dual VCA. Cyclops ILDA output is connected to a TTL RGB laser projector. Stereo audio recorded is the same signal being sent to X & Y inputs on Cyclops. Cyclops from LZX Industries is available now from EuroRack retailers.


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Post by Cata » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:50 pm

Sooooo dope.

Now I just need to figure out how lasers work :hmm:

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Post by waveglider » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm

And you can do this too!

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Post by SOFTWIRE » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:44 pm

WANT! I've wanted one since i saw i think another company demo a prototype at NAMM 2 years ago. Can't remember who was working on it. The huge cost of lasers i think was a turn off for most people to get one though.

You can get some pretty powerful handheld laser pointers and i really dont see why we cant some up with a dual mirror systems with an electro magnet to move the mirror surface/s. Or a single mirror glued to a piece of metal with a center pivot ball and 2 electro magnet linear actuators with return springs for x/y.

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Post by ignatius » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:15 am

the demo in the OP is a little laser. not sure how spendy they are.. no idea really. but the interface module plugs right into.. couldn't be more simple.

here's the info from the youtube:
Modules used include (1) LZX Industries Cyclops, (3) Doepfer A-143-9 Quadrature VCLFO and (1) Doepfer A-132-3 Dual VCA. Cyclops ILDA output is connected to a TTL RGB laser projector. Stereo audio recorded is the same signal being sent to X & Y inputs on Cyclops. Cyclops from LZX Industries is available now from EuroRack retailers.

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Post by makers » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:04 pm

An LZX Facebook post says the laser used in the demo was around $300

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Post by waveglider » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:52 pm

You can find really cheap low powered ones on eBay for around $300, but they will only have TTL control for color and that limits you to 8 colors. More expensive projectors have analog RGB inputs that can take full advantage of the Cyclops ability to take CV as a modulation source for color.

SOFTWIRE wrote: You can get some pretty powerful handheld laser pointers and i really dont see why we cant some up with a dual mirror systems with an electro magnet to move the mirror surface/s. Or a single mirror glued to a piece of metal with a center pivot ball and 2 electro magnet linear actuators with return springs for x/y.
You really don't want to reinvent the wheel here, there is too much precision engineering and fabrication involved to make a decent scanner. There are a good number of cheap scanner sets you can buy for a couple hundred bucks (used to be over $1k years ago)

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Post by eth » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:19 am

Are we gonna need a laser sub-subforum soon? :hihi: Here's a handy guide to lasers for anyone curious. I have no background or experience with lasers; simply an intrigued noob!

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/laserfaq.htm

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Post by makers » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:52 pm

Hmm. Reading more about laser safety and regulation in the U.S. Looks like my application will be more for personal experimentation and video recording. I was really excited about this for live performance and imagined projecting on a ceiling. But don't see how that's going to work safely for small shows/venues.

Waveguider, is that your Vimeo account? Do you have laser exerience and have anything to offer on the safety perspective?
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Post by monads » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:02 pm

I'm intrigued by the Cyclops and laser potentials....but the safety concerns and compatible laser/projector to use hold me back. What would help would be a list of lasers (advanced/minimal) that works (won't be damaged by Cyclops) and not cause any safety concerns. Am I alone in this regard? Anyone have suggestions???

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Post by wednesdayayay » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:19 am

yeah something for personal and something for professional list wise would be great

maybe I'm being naive in thinking that any laser that would work in this context would be easy/safe to use

oh can someone with a cyclops and laser module fo some froggin' laser feedback already?

imagine two cyclops where one was doing the feedback stuff overtop of the other


or perhaps at a right angle

could you make somewhat 3D shapes with two cyclops'd lasers



fun stuff
sh is the sound of data
bobo is the gesture

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Post by goldenliustra » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:01 am

After reading stuff like this – http://adrsoundsense.co.uk/lasersafetyclubs.html, afaics, main concern is not to project the beam onto the audience :deadbanana:

You probably won't burn anyone, but I guess it's easy to catch someone's sight. It would be nice to hear some active laser-users sharing their experience!

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Post by waveglider » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:31 pm

Yes there is Federal regulation on projecting lasers in public. The governing body is called the Center for Devices and Radiological Health (CDRH) and you need to apply for a variance (permit) to operate lasers over 5mw in public spaces. There are more stringent restrictions placed on lasers that project towards an audience versus projecting on a wall where you can control how close people can get to a direct beam.

I don't do laser shows professionally but I do own a laser projector I bought from China that is a clone of a high end model but is not CDRH certified to operate in public (you AND your gear have to be compliant) so I keep it in my studio to work out patches on my wall.

I have a local friend who does user shows professionally and has a variance. When I go out, I use his projectors, and he comes along as my Laser Safety Officer, makes sure I have things set up properly and hangs out while I run my patch.

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Post by makers » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:38 pm

Thanks Waveglider, very helpful. How big are these venues where you show your work?

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Post by alnitak » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:48 pm

That's very cool. Been looking forward to seeing the output of a modular system to a laser projector. Looking forward to seeing more!

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Post by Dirty_Bill » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:00 pm

Hers' the ILDA's page:

Laser Show Safety

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Post by RGB » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:51 am

Resurrecting this thread....

Looking to explore the world of lasers with the Cyclops but am having a hard time penetrating the seemingly sketchy world of laser projector sales.

I would hope to find an analog projector rather than a TTL but dont really have $1,000 + to spend especially being a complete new comer to the medium. I am not looking to play any stadiums with this thing.

Anyone have any insight and or experience? Maybe I should just order a $300 one from China?

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Post by PixelPeeper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:45 am

RGB wrote:Resurrecting this thread....

Looking to explore the world of lasers with the Cyclops but am having a hard time penetrating the seemingly sketchy world of laser projector sales.

I would hope to find an analog projector rather than a TTL but dont really have $1,000 + to spend especially being a complete new comer to the medium. I am not looking to play any stadiums with this thing.

Anyone have any insight and or experience? Maybe I should just order a $300 one from China?
They are all from china, if you go with a name brand or get one from a distributor you will have some support when your mirrors break. I like Kvant lasers, fairly cheap... full spectrum, fast mirrors. but those are 2k plus...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xstatic-X-LRGB1 ... SwkttZaPxX

that thing looks shit but useable, 750. its not even hard to fix your own lasers... it just needs to be inspected by the CDRH and you need a variance to use it live in a professional setting and if its outside the FAA needs to be notified and approve

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Post by RGB » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:00 am

PixelPeeper wrote:
They are all from china, if you go with a name brand or get one from a distributor you will have some support when your mirrors break. I like Kvant lasers, fairly cheap... full spectrum, fast mirrors. but those are 2k plus...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xstatic-X-LRGB1 ... SwkttZaPxX

that thing looks shit but useable, 750. its not even hard to fix your own lasers... it just needs to be inspected by the CDRH and you need a variance to use it live in a professional setting and if its outside the FAA needs to be notified and approve
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, the Kvant lasers look really nice. I guess I will just need to narrow down the specs and take the plunge.

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Post by waveglider » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:29 am

I have found a great importer in the US that sells very good projectors. This one is the least expensive:

http://www.lightspaceusa.com/venus-oem-1-800.html

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Post by RGB » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:36 am

waveglider wrote:I have found a great importer in the US that sells very good projectors. This one is the least expensive:

http://www.lightspaceusa.com/venus-oem-1-800.html
Thanks! Having someone vouch for a few of these retailers is helpful and reassuring when looking to purchase.

I guess purchasing on ebay from China is where the reliability regarding quoted specs and quality, etc... get questionable...?

Does anyone know the life expectancy of the lasers on these projectors? I know it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, but, just wonder at how many hours I am looking to get from these for the investment.

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Post by Jasper » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:45 pm

From what I've read it's the galvo's that you have to worry about going out, haven't read anyone discussing the actual laser life expectancy so I'd assume it be a non-issue

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Post by Ddorward » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:40 pm

i have a xlaser product--solid quality, no complaints and the galvos are 30k, i believe....... i paid over 1000, but well worth it---stay away from china crap--pure garbage........

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Post by nimmen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:15 pm

Resurrecting thread :zombie:
Looking for certain means to display sound/music, lets picture a venn diagram thinking that the center should be as big as possible/practical, from practical/financial point of view, artistic(making sounds visible, but correlating and separating domains also, not everything what you see sounds great, not everything what you play displays nice).
Oh, and then you just have 2 hands and 1 brain, I'm not a big fan of prepared/repeated/same performances, why not put on cd and press play button otherwise.

Cyclops has been on my mind for years now(not constantly), but I find it surprising that there are so few demos, maybe any users could post their experiences and insights?
Finding myself trying to understand how "practical" it is, as in, not showing running cats, but not showing spinning oval either...
So basically wonder how/what would i need in practice to accommodate it, that does not go well with audio side of things, but would make interesting stuff for cyclops/x/y/vector sphere. I have quite a few wmd pdo's that go to around 100khz(at least from their spec), but I assume they are noisy, not sure how much.
If anyone has some demo's and patch notes, module breakdown, or some link to practical insights regarding "glueing" audio with real-time visuals on vector space(I'm sure there are threads out there, but can't spend that much time searching, so feel that it's quicker to ask). Would be very interesting.
I think this is very underrated module personally, maybe ahead of it's market success time window :roll:
busy soldering...

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Post by bitSmasher » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:51 am

Jumping on the back of the resurrection, to ask a basic question... excuse my ignorance but I'm tempted to jump in to the Eurorack world and this could be my first step. Am already playing around with an oscilloscope for vector graphics...

I have an ILDA laser and some noise-making toys, would I need anything more than the Cyclops and a PSU to get the audio controlling my laser?
ie, can I just use the knobs on the front panel to control the colour level, or do they need CV input?

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