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what do you think of this layout?

Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:30 am

look, i'm probably going to do what i'm going to do regardless of wether you think it's cool or not, because that's just how i am.

however, i finally decided on a visual look for my euro stuff and wanted to run it by this gang.

a big breakthrough was finding 3/4" knobs that were reminiscent of the Synthi 100 knobs and also _extremely_ similar to the knobs Projekt Elektronik used on Tangerine Dream's custom modules. PE knob shape, EMS colours, basically.

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i will probably split the signal inputs up into "AC INPUT" and "DC INPUT" or "OFFSET INPUT" and "SIGNAL INPUT" because they both go into the same mux but one of them is AC-coupled, for signal, and the other is DC-coupled.

the frac and MOTM versions just had these two inputs with no difference in labeling. i'm fine with that, and i'm also fine with a bit more data.

so i'm probably going to order these panels on monday.

btw, i don't normally put drawings of imaginary modules on the internet but since i'm already shipping this in like 3 formats already it's not like it's _that_ imaginary.

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Post by neandrewthal » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:48 am

Looks good. I'm glad you don't follow the euro standard of having one column of knobs. When you see rack after rack and they all have the same column of knobs it gets boooooooooring.
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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:12 am

neandrewthal wrote:When you see rack after rack and they all have the same column of knobs it gets boooooooooring.
yes.

i'm hoping the colour aspect will help as well.

basically i believe you should be able to _glance_ at your stuff and figure out what is doing what.

the old Moog stuff is like that. no two modules had the same layout. this is good.

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Post by flts » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:37 am

That's fucking awesome.

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Post by Roycie Roller » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:52 am

I like it!
It's a very nice layout, and once your other modules are added to the lineup, a rack of STG modules will look very stylish. The triple colours look great. Have you considered colour for the text? (although black works really well)

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:09 am

thanks for the kind words guys.
Roycie Roller wrote:Have you considered colour for the text?
i'm sorry, that's simply not possible. (nor is it desirable to me. again, sorry. haha.)

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Post by Kent » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:18 am

As long as the knob pointers, which indicate their settings, are clear at a glance, then I'd say you are on to a winner. :party:

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Post by Jari Jokinen » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:52 am

4 knobs and 4 jacks take 14HP. This is spacey for an Euro module. A Doepfer mixer, for example, has 5 knobs and 5 jacks in 8HP and doesn't feel too cramped to me.

Boring or not, I like Cwejman's practise of putting knobs up and jacks down.

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:15 am

Jari Jokinen wrote:This is spacey for an Euro module.
excellent. that is exactly what I want to hear.

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Post by REwire » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:18 pm

Yes, Eurorack is all about lots in a small space. At least until someone makes a cheap rack. That's why ELF's are all the rage now. No one wastes space like Elby these days; don't add to the wasteland plate expanse.

I think you could get that into 12hp. Similar to what Asystems does. The colors are cool though!

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Post by Muff Wiggler » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:03 pm

i think that looks like the sex to me :hyper:

love it!

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Post by wetterberg » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:27 pm

I think it looks great. Compressing the layout would definitely let it "sit" better with other euro modules, which are usually quite dense. That's not all that important to me, but I would like to see the placement of the inputs/outputs adjusted in some way.

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Post by swordsect » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:31 pm

Sorry maybe I missed this somewhere but how many HP is it?

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Post by spbaker » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:55 pm

REwire wrote: No one wastes space like Elby these days; don't add to the wasteland plate expanse.
ain't that the truth! because portability is one of the requirements for me i find his modules are slowly coming out of my main suitcase and goin into the other, great modules just greedy HP pigs.

the module looks like sex on rails! but if you could squeeze it down... i can't wait to get STG into my rack :hyper:
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Post by felix » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:34 pm

Yeah, it is a tad wide. 12HP would be about the right size.

I too am not a big fan of the vertical row of knobs, but in this case if it's the only thing that allows for less panel space, I'd say it's a worthy sacrifice.

Those style-ass EMS knobs will still make it stand out form the usual crowd.
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Post by Luka » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:52 pm

a whole cab of modules like that would look awesome.

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Post by Gordon Cole » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:54 pm

HELLO THERE!!!!!

WE WERE WONDERING!!!! WHICH INPUT IS AC AND WHICH IS DC ON THE THREE PREVIOUS FORMATS?!?!? WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW!!!!

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Post by Luka » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:02 pm

:) !!!

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:28 pm

thanks for the support and the input, guys.
REwire wrote:At least until someone makes a cheap rack.
well someone ought to.

when we put out a distro board (this year probably) it will have footprints for all accountable formats: dotcom, euro, motm/frac, motm triple output, and modcan. it will be populated according to taste probably, and the user's responsibility to wire it into the appropriate power supply.

at that point it's just a matter of offering a cheap HP rail solution. if i had a couple 18" wide pieces of HP rail i could easily fabricate rack ears for it. in fact, i don't understand why no one has done this.
wetterberg wrote:I would like to see the placement of the inputs/outputs adjusted in some way.
me too. i'm going to fiddle with it some more this weekend before i send it off.
swordsect wrote:Sorry maybe I missed this somewhere but how many HP is it?
you didn't miss anything, i forgot to explain this was 14HP in size.
Luka wrote:a whole cab of modules like that would look awesome.
well that's the plan, right?
Gordon Cole wrote:HELLO THERE!!!!!
HI!! HOW ARE YOU?
Gordon Cole wrote:WE WERE WONDERING!!!! WHICH INPUT IS AC AND WHICH IS DC ON THE THREE PREVIOUS FORMATS?!?!? WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW!!!!
WELL I BELIEVE THAT I OMITTED IT FROM THE MOOG FORMAT PANEL, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALISE IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK RIGHT WITH DC, SO THE REVISION TWO PANEL WILL HAVE IT.

I BELIEVE THAT THE LOWER INPUT OF THE MOTM AND FU EDITIONS ARE THE DC-COUPLED INPUTS. HOWEVER I COULD BE WRONG. THERE ARE TWO FOOTPRINTS FOR CAPACITORS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PCB, ONE WILL BE POPULATED AND THE OTHER JUMPERED. IT'S THE JACK THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE HEADER WHICH LEADS TO THE JUMPERED-OVER FOOTPRINT.
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Post by Muff Wiggler » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:45 pm

PLEASE NOT TO BE THE YELLING :mad: :lol: :mad: :lol: :mad: :lol:


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Post by Luka » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:45 pm

call and responce.
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Post by D/A A/D » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:48 am

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Post by scozbor » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:43 am

i am freaking loving the frac wavefolder!
its really super handy since I only have 1 osc. great for getting more timbres.
really excellent PCB mounting aswell. awesome design!

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Post by REwire » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:18 am

Something I probably should know, but.....What's a Wave Folder?

What makes it different from a Wave Multiplier? I assume probably it'll distort, is it similar to Doepfer A-136?

And finally, would you need one if you have 5 oscs including an AFG and a Serge WVX?

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Post by DGTom » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:55 am

I really like the look of this module & my fat fingers are all for gettin abit of space around the knobs!

Having said that I think it would be even better if it fit into 12HP, altho the Doepfer A-137 is 14... so whatevs. Do your thing man, I was gonna buy it in Frac, but options is all good!
REwire wrote:At least until someone makes a cheap rack.
suitandtieguy wrote:well someone ought to.
The 3U 84HP Elby Designs rack is basically the same price as the Blacet 19" & the 6U 2x84HP is even better value. If Laurie bundled it with a PSU / board he'd put Euro on par with the Blacet/Frac in terms of start-up costs.

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