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1010 Music Bitbox - Sampler/Looper
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Author 1010 Music Bitbox - Sampler/Looper
mdoudoroff
A new Ableton-inspired sampler/looper from a new developer debuted at Machines in Music.

http://1010music.com

It was difficult to get a firm grasp on its capabilities and limitations in the chaos of the hall, but it appears to be intended to be suitable for everything from drum samples to sampled loops to recording entire song parts.

tthogs
Hey now, looks cool.

"With its clock and MIDI inputs, you can play and capture in sync with the rest of your rack. "

Sounds like this would be fun to use as a performance looper. You can save 12 sets as well.
nerven
curious to see the midi implementation on this...can it record live? seems to be a lot of sample players racing to market...
Fiddlestickz
ok now you have got my attention... eek!

Capabilities include*

Playback of up to 16 simultaneous samples triggered from the touch screen, CV gates, or MIDI input
Various launch modes, including one-shot, gate, and quantized
Playback can be immediate or synchronized to analog or MIDI clock
Stereo recording with the option to synchronize the start and stop times
Control of various parameters, including start position, length, pitch, gain, loop mode, and quantization
Record up to 6 hours in a single pass
Save and recall up to 12 different sets of samples and their configuration
Stereo output with 2 additional effect send busses
4 modulation inputs capable of launching an entire row of clips at once or modulating sample start, length, or pitch
Fiddlestickz
now the big question..

how much $$ ??
mwvm
Jeezo 2016 is the year of the sampler!
strangeowl
Question two: will there be a break-out with separate outputs per channel?

3 stereo out (if the fx outs are stereo) is better than 1 mono of course but I would love to be able to keep the chains modularand add modules to every signal chain smile

Question three: when?
Fiddlestickz
come on someone must surely have a rough idea of the price, how are we supposed to plan to save for these things when we are always kept in suspense about these most basic things..?
Zymos
strangeowl wrote:
Question two: will there be a break-out with separate outputs per channel?

3 stereo out (if the fx outs are stereo) is better than 1 mono of course but I would love to be able to keep the chains modularand add modules to every signal chain smile

Question three: when?


Says Nov 1 on their site.

Someone has to say it: of which year? cool
Innerself2007
Looks good on paper, definitely interested in price as well.
Curious how this will stack up against the Er-301
damase
strangeowl wrote:
Question two: will there be a break-out with separate outputs per channel?

3 stereo out (if the fx outs are stereo) is better than 1 mono of course but I would love to be able to keep the chains modularand add modules to every signal chain smile

Question three: when?

+1 stereo out per channel
This is the same limitation that holds the octatrack back.

I wonder if the midi input will allow cc control. That would be that would make it very useful
Eurocat
The only way I won't be buying this is if it's over 700 bucks!
nerven
[quote="damase"]
strangeowl wrote:

I wonder if the midi input will allow cc control. That would be that would make it very useful


yes, very...hope it can Rec/Stop/Play/Select loops with midi pedals...USB midi would have been sweet too, but no biggie...
flashheart
Fiddlestickz wrote:
come on someone must surely have a rough idea of the price, how are we supposed to plan to save for these things when we are always kept in suspense about these most basic things..?

If this is a prototype they may not yet have an idea of actual manufacturing costs yet. Building a prototype is completely different from doing a run, and looks like this is a new company as well.
Fiddlestickz
flashheart wrote:
Fiddlestickz wrote:
come on someone must surely have a rough idea of the price, how are we supposed to plan to save for these things when we are always kept in suspense about these most basic things..?

If this is a prototype they may not yet have an idea of actual manufacturing costs yet. Building a prototype is completely different from doing a run, and looks like this is a new company as well.


due for release in under 3 weeks...? price must surely be close to finalized..?
jonne74
Looks like it's in karaoke mode, judging by the lyrics on the screen.. hihi
mwvm
jonne74 wrote:
Looks like it's in karaoke mode, judging by the lyrics on the screen.. hihi


i'm kinda confused by this too
revtor
The demo at MiM was lacking to say the least. The guy explained alot of cool things and then didn't really come correct demo-wise. A MIDI keyboard playing drum hits one per key.

Didn't ask about price.
ethnotronics
mwvm wrote:
Jeezo 2016 is the year of the sampler!

Let's hope, but none are here yet!
Maybe 2017 is going to be hihi
hyena
reflex liveloop is here since a while in fact
nerven
hyena wrote:
reflex liveloop is here since a while in fact


Just based on layout alone, I don't think the reflex loop compares...
mdoudoroff
~$599

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-bitbox

I’m guessing they’re not gonna make Nov. 1.
Fiddlestickz
The only problem I see with a piece of gear like this is that it's a no name brand...people will fall to those they trust and have a good solid reputation for quality and reliability, not easy when you are no body launching something so potentially large like this..
Zymos
600 bucks, but "*microSD card not included".
Seems a bit chintzy...
Fiddlestickz
Am I the only one a bit suss that the manufacturer has not been here to spout the module..??
mdoudoroff
Caution, patience, moderate expectations are wise.
RoaFL
I've been trying to determine if this module has granular capabilities or if it just truncates samples to match the global BPM.
Surely they'd have to include some type of timestretching capability, but if it's of any quality is the question.

I think, for modular, the Nebulae has the smoothest timestretching algorithm.
It's as good as Max 7's 'Best' algorithm for their ~sfplay/~buffer objects.
If that's included one of these upcoming sampling modules (301, Audio Damage's unit, Bitbox, etc) I can live with not being able to sample live.
My taste is to grab from my prerecorded sample library anyway.
Fiddlestickz
Here's a question to answer, lots of these modules that play samples off micro cards need some kind of software program to put them on the card, some are very picky indeed, the Q bit sample player runs a small program to put samples on the card but min OS is Yosemite, I was so close to buying this module and then I read this and took my hand off the buy it button..

what will the computer software this thing needs to dump samples onto the card be needing..??
RoaFL
Fiddlestickz wrote:
Here's a question to answer, lots of these modules that play samples off micro cards need some kind of software program to put them on the card, some are very picky indeed, the Q bit sample player runs a small program to put samples on the card but min OS is Yosemite, I was so close to buying this module and then I read this and took my hand off the buy it button..

what will the computer software this thing needs to dump samples onto the card be needing..??


I may be wrong, but I thought the Nebulae just read regular audio file-types that were mono/22.05 kHz and you could have 8 of them in the root directory?
Why couldn't you just change the samples you have to mono/22.05 kHz in Audacity and load them onto a thumb-drive?

Either way, the simplest solution is for manufacturers to pick an engine that can run more of the popular file types (WAV, AIF, MP3, OGG, FLAC, etc) and either split mono samples to two channels on-the-fly or play stereo samples as-is.
There shouldn't be a special format or process to get samples into one of these units; it's unnecessary cognitive friction.
They should use a memory card or have a USB input to connect to a computer and simply drag'n'drop the files into a root directory.
The system should be smart enough to handle these cases without you having to do something to make it work.

In an ideal world you'd have both options for live sampling and using some kind of flash memory.
digidandy
RoaFL wrote:
I've been trying to determine if this module has granular capabilities or if it just truncates samples to match the global BPM.
Surely they'd have to include some type of timestretching capability, but if it's of any quality is the question.

I think, for modular, the Nebulae has the smoothest timestretching algorithm.
It's as good as Max 7's 'Best' algorithm for their ~sfplay/~buffer objects.


Don't agree with this at all. The timestretching algorithm in Nebulae "resynthesizes" the original sample into sum of sinoids, meaning the resulting sound becomes "glassy". The timestretch in Max 7 does not resynthesize the sound in this way, meaning the output is a lot more natural sounding (if that's the word to use).
Fiddlestickz
RoaFL wrote:
Fiddlestickz wrote:
Here's a question to answer, lots of these modules that play samples off micro cards need some kind of software program to put them on the card, some are very picky indeed, the Q bit sample player runs a small program to put samples on the card but min OS is Yosemite, I was so close to buying this module and then I read this and took my hand off the buy it button..

what will the computer software this thing needs to dump samples onto the card be needing..??


I may be wrong, but I thought the Nebulae just read regular audio file-types that were mono/22.05 kHz and you could have 8 of them in the root directory?
Why couldn't you just change the samples you have to mono/22.05 kHz in Audacity and load them onto a thumb-drive?

Either way, the simplest solution is for manufacturers to pick an engine that can run more of the popular file types (WAV, AIF, MP3, OGG, FLAC, etc) and either split mono samples to two channels on-the-fly or play stereo samples as-is.
There shouldn't be a special format or process to get samples into one of these units; it's unnecessary cognitive friction.
They should use a memory card or have a USB input to connect to a computer and simply drag'n'drop the files into a root directory.
The system should be smart enough to handle these cases without you having to do something to make it work.

In an ideal world you'd have both options for live sampling and using some kind of flash memory.


Sorry I should have been more specific it was the Qu Bit Wave module that I was referring to not the Nebulae..
1010music
Hello,

Sorry to show up late to the party. We are working hard trying to get this module out the door and into your hands.

Regarding some of the questions raised above:

Bitbox can play the vast majority of WAV files, including 16, 24, and 32 bit format. You copy them onto microSD card on your computer and use the module to assign the file to a pad.

Time stretching is not currently available. You do need to take care to match the current tempo. When live looping, using a constant tempo from another source is usually all you need. Bitbox will restart loops on beat to ensure there is no drifting.

While we are a new company, just about everyone who has worked on this project is an industry veteran with 20+ years experience.

We definitely owe you some video demos. They are coming soon.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks for your support.

Aaron Higgins
1010 Music
Bishop Dust
damase wrote:

+1 stereo out per channel
This is the same limitation that holds the octatrack back.

I wonder if the midi input will allow cc control. That would be that would make it very useful


This ! for me the interest of a multi track sampler in the modular world is to be able to send each track in the modules you want...

That s for me also a big limitation of the octatrack...

So the module recognize the sample bpm and the sample automatically fit the playing tempo ??
RoaFL
digidandy wrote:

Don't agree with this at all. The timestretching algorithm in Nebulae "resynthesizes" the original sample into sum of sinoids, meaning the resulting sound becomes "glassy". The timestretch in Max 7 does not resynthesize the sound in this way, meaning the output is a lot more natural sounding (if that's the word to use).


I had the Nebulae for two days and didn't really put it through the paces, but the samples I used sounded fine.
I believe that's the exact method Kyma uses to produce its timestretching and that has also always sounded fine to me.
I guess it's all in what you feed it.
I still have to use Max though and my point was that someone needs to fill that niche so I can kick my MacBook out of my music-making lineup.
The Illuminaire
Saw the new demo video on the website.

It seems there is a degree of "preparation" latency in both ending the recording (approx. 1sec) and a little less than that to trigger the loop.

Is this something that was done by design? If so, that kind of messes with it as a performance looper. confused
mdoudoroff
The Illuminaire wrote:
Saw the new demo video on the website.

It seems there is a degree of "preparation" latency in both ending the recording (approx. 1sec) and a little less than that to trigger the loop.

Is this something that was done by design? If so, that kind of messes with it as a performance looper. confused


My understanding is that he was explicitly demonstrating beat quantization and the delays you see in the video is not latency, but the bitbox waiting for the next clock pulse to begin or halt recording so as to yield a loop of precise length.
1010music
That is correct, the delay in recording and stopping is intentional: It yields loops cut exactly to bars, which make the synchronization more straightforward.

There is also a setting to turn the quantization off if that is what you prefer.
yalivec
1010music wrote:

Let me know if you have any other questions.
Aaron Higgins
1010 Music


Hi, Aaron. A couple of questions:

1. could I run multiple stereo samples and change volume of each of them while they running? and if no, so...-->
2. -->...will there be a separate stereo outputs per channel that I could change volume of each of them by connecting to a mixer module?
3. will there be something like a cv control per channel? and in what way this has been achieved?

Thanx!
lionelfischer
individual outs please. if not, hopefully with an expander module?

crossfade looping for smooth loops?
1010music
yalivec wrote:

1. could I run multiple stereo samples and change volume of each of them while they running? and if no, so...-->
2. -->...will there be a separate stereo outputs per channel that I could change volume of each of them by connecting to a mixer module?
3. will there be something like a cv control per channel? and in what way this has been achieved?


There is a manual volume control per sample. Bitbox has 4 CV modulation inputs, that can be mapped to other cells to adjust pitch, length, or start time.
1010music
lionelfischer wrote:
individual outs please. if not, hopefully with an expander module?

crossfade looping for smooth loops?


There are two mono FX sends for external processing of some of the samples. Yes, we do provide crossfading to make the looping smooth.
Fiddlestickz
really interesting and likeable module..

good pricing too imo..

more demo videos please, particularly of sampling say a drum loop and chopping it up and saving samples to various locations..
yalivec
1010music wrote:

There is a manual volume control per sample. Bitbox has 4 CV modulation inputs, that can be mapped to other cells to adjust pitch, length, or start time.


thanx... sounds interesting. hope, I could use it instead of my rc-505.
RoaFL
1010music wrote:

There is a manual volume control per sample. Bitbox has 4 CV modulation inputs, that can be mapped to other cells to adjust pitch, length, or start time.


Does changing the pitch change the length of the loop?
Are there any timestretching capabilities?

It's November 2nd; is it available for order now?
Innerself2007
Yes definitely would like to see additional videos to get a better idea. Love the way this looks on paper.
Also curious about release date
YellowBlood
Very interested, are you able to pan each sample by chance?
Daisuk
Looking forward to seeing some more videos of this. smile
lionelfischer
1010music wrote:
lionelfischer wrote:
individual outs please. if not, hopefully with an expander module?

crossfade looping for smooth loops?


There are two mono FX sends for external processing of some of the samples. Yes, we do provide crossfading to make the looping smooth.


if there's any way for this to output more than two mono isolated tracks that would be huge game changing feature.. any way to get at least 3 or 4 tracks output separately? even with exapnsion module, would be super incredible.
1010music
Here is the update on the shipping front: We will be shipping units to retailers on Monday November 7th. We will update our website later in the week with where you can order it.

We did manage to include slicing as a form of time shifting. This works very well for small tempo changes (< 5%) of most material. Beyond that, it really depends on the material and the slice length you choose.

Thank you for your support.
JohnLRice
thumbs up
matttech
lionelfischer wrote:
1010music wrote:
lionelfischer wrote:
individual outs please. if not, hopefully with an expander module?

crossfade looping for smooth loops?


There are two mono FX sends for external processing of some of the samples. Yes, we do provide crossfading to make the looping smooth.


if there's any way for this to output more than two mono isolated tracks that would be huge game changing feature.. any way to get at least 3 or 4 tracks output separately? even with exapnsion module, would be super incredible.


Surely if there is a way to send sounds individually to FX sends (for external processing ) you would simply be able to pick 2 sounds, then send them out of these fx sends for processing within your rig. You would still have the main outs...making 4 in total
Daisuk
So - can you say pack an SD card with 4gb's worth of samples and easily access 16 of them at the same time from the Bitbox (or, you know, load them into 16 slots)?
nangu
Looks like it. They posted two videos yesterday:



Fiddlestickz
this will make an insane dedicated drum sampler...want..!!
Daisuk
Fiddlestickz wrote:
this will make an insane dedicated drum sampler...want..!!


Exactly! applause
1010music
Hi all,

I am pleased to report that Bitbox is now shipping. You can review our list of dealers here:

http://1010music.com/dealers

We are also accepting orders from our website, for shipment to the US only:

http://1010music.com/product/bitbox-eurorack-module-with-touchscreen

Thank you for your support,

The 1010music team
thebrotherspus
Wow, looks great!
Hopefully there'll be an easy way to get one in Canada eventually.
Looks like a lot of fun!
Daisuk
I'm officially super interested in this one now. Mr. Green Asked them a few questions over mail, and sharing the answers I got here (I'm sure they won't mind). My questions in italic;

How big an sd card can be used, and is there a limit to the amount of files you can access from the SD card (not read directly, just access and load into the internal memory)?

We have successfully tested 32GB cards and the module is designed to accommodate up to 65,000 WAV files.

Can you put your files in folders and have the bitbox recognize folders (in other words - organize a bunch of samples)?

Bitbox only recognizes files in the root directory.

Can you use the two effects outs as separate outs, so in effect have 4 separate outs of the bitbox?
Can you decide and assign which samples/clips goes to which outputs?


The output assignments are per track, which is the vertical columns of 4 cells each. For each track, you can assign the output to go to FX1 (mono), FX2 (mono) or Out 1/2 (stereo). In other words, you really have three separate outputs, one of them is in stereo.

Can you say load 8 samples from the SD card into 8 slots, and use 4 slots to record to at the same time?

You can mix and match samples from the SD card with those you record yourself. Recording can only capture one slot or cell at a time.

---

Sounds bloody ace to me. smile
shellfritsch
congrats on the launch 1010music!
some questions:

1) if you have a sliced loop, can you choose which slice playback starts from with CV?

2) can you resample?

3) are samples triggered via midi velocity sensitive?

4) would be possible to invert the display?

5) can you reverse sample playback?

thanks!
Funky40
Analogue Haven not listed as a vendor ?
Escape from Noise not listed as a vendor ?

hmmm.....

might that change ?
GNE
I just made the jump and bought one.
Hope when it shows up the software is worked out and bug free. Haha.
My excitement outweighed my dread of being an early adopter / beta tester.
fwheel
This looks fantastic! I have a few questions as well:

Does the pitch mod track 1/v oct?

This one's for my wiggler comrades: since there's 16 inputs for triggering loops, what kind of a trigger sequencer would you think is the optimal pairing with this one? hmmm.....
Daisuk
Also, is there a way to pan any of the samples that are routed to the stereo output?
Metrorobotikon
here are some triggered sampled drums that the bitbox ships with. Killer drum sampler.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMqS_r_BRLF/?taken-by=chickenneckpalace

Very easy to record as well. Here is a demo of a live recording into Bitbox

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMrwS4WhSss/?taken-by=chickenneckpalace
Metrorobotikon
the Bitbox is a pleasure to use. the layout is simple and the quality of recordings sounds fantastic. looking forward to future feature updates.
yalivec
oh, thanx for volume control - this makes it an ideal sampler for me! I'll get one!!! woah
Daisuk
Metrorobotikon wrote:
here are some triggered sampled drums that the bitbox ships with. Killer drum sampler.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMqS_r_BRLF/?taken-by=chickenneckpalace

Very easy to record as well. Here is a demo of a live recording into Bitbox

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMrwS4WhSss/?taken-by=chickenneckpalace


Awesome. woah Thanks for the clips and the mini-review, just ordered one from Juno. Mr. Green
fwheel
One more question! Is it possible to have one mod input affect multiple samples at once? For example an lfo affecting three different samples' pitches simultaneously.
1010music
shellfritsch wrote:

1) if you have a sliced loop, can you choose which slice playback starts from with CV?


You can use CV to modulate the start position of a sliced loop, however it lacks quantization and may not be the slice selector you are seeking.

shellfritsch wrote:

2) can you resample?


Not easily. You can record and playback at the same time, however the record monitoring through the Out1/2 will create feedback. You could send the output to FX1 and FX2, connect these to In1/2, and record that way if you really wanted.

shellfritsch wrote:

3) are samples triggered via midi velocity sensitive?

4) would be possible to invert the display?

5) can you reverse sample playback?
thanks!


For these last three, today the answer is no. I have added them to our request list.

Thank you for your questions.
1010music
fwheel wrote:
This looks fantastic! I have a few questions as well:

Does the pitch mod track 1/v oct?

This one's for my wiggler comrades: since there's 16 inputs for triggering loops, what kind of a trigger sequencer would you think is the optimal pairing with this one? hmmm.....


The pitch modulation is meant as a special effect and is not calibrated to 1v/octave. There is an amount control to help you dial it in as you like.

Regarding the sequencer, I personally like the BeatStep Pro as it has the TRS MIDI port that enables you to connect with Bitbox using one wire and control all 16 pads directly.
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
Also, is there a way to pan any of the samples that are routed to the stereo output?


There is currently no pan control. However, the module will honor the panning built into stereo WAV files. So, you could make a sample use only the Out1 if the source file had the audio panned hard left.

I will add this request to our wish list. Thanks for writing.
1010music
fwheel wrote:
One more question! Is it possible to have one mod input affect multiple samples at once? For example an lfo affecting three different samples' pitches simultaneously.


Thanks for writing. Each of the mod inputs can only affect one sample. You could use an external repeater and 3 mod inputs to do what you suggested.

I will add this item to our request list.
GNE
Quote:
The pitch modulation is meant as a special effect and is not calibrated to 1v/octave. There is an amount control to help you dial it in as you like.



That is kind of surprising.... I don't play melodic music so its not a big deal I guess.

What is the pitch range?
shellfritsch
1010music wrote:

The pitch modulation is meant as a special effect and is not calibrated to 1v/octave. There is an amount control to help you dial it in as you like.


i really hope 1v/oct is possible in the near future
poppinger
Can you use the Bitbox to record and play back CV or is it audio only?

Regardless of the answer this is very cool looking. w00t
Infinity Curve
Very interested in buying, but I'm in Canada - anything can be done, or just have to wait for this to hit shops that ship here?
GNE
What method will be used to do software updates?
1010music
poppinger wrote:
Can you use the Bitbox to record and play back CV or is it audio only?

Regardless of the answer this is very cool looking. w00t


The recording and main playback paths are meant for audio only. If you really wanted, you could play CV WAV files through the FX1 and FX2 outputs. They are DC coupled and go from -5V to +5V.
1010music
Infinity Curve wrote:
Very interested in buying, but I'm in Canada - anything can be done, or just have to wait for this to hit shops that ship here?


I just sent a note to MoogAudio regarding sales in Canada. Let me encourage you to do the same.

Thank you,

Aaron
1010music
GNE wrote:
What method will be used to do software updates?


We have a method for updating the units with new firmware via the microSD card. Let me encourage you to evaluate the module on what it does now--as opposed to what might happen in the future.
actionmusic2
Looks great, is there anyway this can be expanded in future hardware wise - with individual extra mono outs? we're all (well some of us) looking for a drum sampler in modular world that can do all our non analogue percussion needs, and this looks pretty close...
Daisuk
actionmusic2 wrote:
Looks great, is there anyway this can be expanded in future hardware wise - with individual extra mono outs? we're all (well some of us) looking for a drum sampler in modular world that can do all our non analogue percussion needs, and this looks pretty close...


Individual outs expander would be amazing indeed! woah

Excellent that panning will be implemented later on though! thumbs up
DSC
Ordered one today! Excited to try it out this weekend at a gig!
Thanks Aaron for jumping on it!
1010music
actionmusic2 wrote:
Looks great, is there anyway this can be expanded in future hardware wise - with individual extra mono outs? we're all (well some of us) looking for a drum sampler in modular world that can do all our non analogue percussion needs, and this looks pretty close...


Adding additional outputs isn't easy and adds cost. Tell me more about what would follow these individual outputs. Is there something we can do inside the box?

Thank you,

Aaron
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
actionmusic2 wrote:
Looks great, is there anyway this can be expanded in future hardware wise - with individual extra mono outs? we're all (well some of us) looking for a drum sampler in modular world that can do all our non analogue percussion needs, and this looks pretty close...


Adding additional outputs isn't easy and adds cost. Tell me more about what would follow these individual outputs. Is there something we can do inside the box?

Thank you,

Aaron


Can only speak for myself, but I mix everything from the rack in a DAW, so having separate tracks for all sounds is quite convenient. Also for routing specific sounds to filters or effects. The Bitbox really seem like the drum sampler a lot of people have been waiting for in euro, so let's say you're using 8 drum hits at the same time, it's easier to mix and to send around the system with individual outs.

I think just being able to pan the samples will help a lot though (so you don't end up with a mix with 8 sounds straight in the middle, for instance). smile
coyotedad23
I was impressed by the demos and feel it is just what I want currently. I purchased instantly and am looking forward to exploring a vast new dimension for my setup.
To me this is like to phrase sampler for years ago. Easy to use and versatile.
Excited!!!
sonicmayhem
So is this sampler only good for drums? Ive been looking for a eurorack sampler for ages that would allow me to record/sample anything I came up with. While I have the modular connected to the DAW, it would be great to record quick snips like FX on the fly without setting up Cubase or whatnot.

I really like the simplicity of this unit however the price, need to make sure it will work for my workflow.
Torn n Frayed
sonicmayhem wrote:
So is this sampler only good for drums? Ive been looking for a eurorack sampler for ages that would allow me to record/sample anything I came up with. While I have the modular connected to the DAW, it would be great to record quick snips like FX on the fly without setting up Cubase or whatnot.

I really like the simplicity of this unit however the price, need to make sure it will work for my workflow.


Well one of the 2 videos shows synths being sampled with great ease..
Daisuk
sonicmayhem wrote:
So is this sampler only good for drums? Ive been looking for a eurorack sampler for ages that would allow me to record/sample anything I came up with. While I have the modular connected to the DAW, it would be great to record quick snips like FX on the fly without setting up Cubase or whatnot.

I really like the simplicity of this unit however the price, need to make sure it will work for my workflow.


Seems pretty perfect for any kind of sampling, in my opinion. Set up a patch, get something good going, record it with Bitbox, make a variation to it, record to Bitbox, make another variation, record to Bitbox - then you have voltage control (with crossfading, as far as I've gathered) over which recording is playing. Insanely good for improvising together a more varied and interesting piece of music, it seems.

Still haven't gotten mine though, but looking awesome on paper. smile
DSC
Got mine today! This and the Circadian...
Match made in heaven!

sonicmayhem
Daisuk wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
So is this sampler only good for drums? Ive been looking for a eurorack sampler for ages that would allow me to record/sample anything I came up with. While I have the modular connected to the DAW, it would be great to record quick snips like FX on the fly without setting up Cubase or whatnot.

I really like the simplicity of this unit however the price, need to make sure it will work for my workflow.


Seems pretty perfect for any kind of sampling, in my opinion. Set up a patch, get something good going, record it with Bitbox, make a variation to it, record to Bitbox, make another variation, record to Bitbox - then you have voltage control (with crossfading, as far as I've gathered) over which recording is playing. Insanely good for improvising together a more varied and interesting piece of music, it seems.

Still haven't gotten mine though, but looking awesome on paper. smile


Yeah thanks for that. I thought so. Just went ahead and ordered one.Grrr. Last purchase of the year for me. smile
DSC
Pristine quality is nice to have and is a refreshing change from all the noisy low-fi stuff I usually work with. I really like the touch screen, where I was really skeptical at first. It is very straight forward. Should I consider a screen protector of some kind?

The only request i have would be the ability to browse through folders. I have all my samples organized by folder, so I would need to build a custom file name structure in order to work out of one directory.

Something like this:

001_Custom_Snare-Over Driven-FX.wav
002_Custom_Snare-FX.wav
003_Custom_Snare-ECHO.wav

Any chance browsing multiple directories would be possible? If not, please let me know so I can start figuring out what I will need to do.
Keep up the great work!!!
Multi Grooves
Can anyone confirm whether Juno or Signal Sounds ever received stock of these?

I cannot find any mention on Singal Sounds or modualrsquare whilst several say sold out...dunno if that means added to inventory and awaiting delivery or had it but now sold out.
Daisuk
Multi Grooves wrote:
Can anyone confirm whether Juno or Signal Sounds ever received stock of these?

I cannot find any mention on Singal Sounds or modualrsquare whilst several say sold out...dunno if that means added to inventory and awaiting delivery or had it but now sold out.


I bought the last one from Juno, so they did have it. wink
GNE
Got mine yesterday and had an hour play with it.
Very nice.
Those of you who want to use it for one shot drum samples or syncing loops should be really happy with it.


A better way to audition / load samples would be nice. It would be quicker and more convenient if you could "replace" a sample into a clip without needing to "delete" the sample and all of its settings first.
wigwig
Wondering about routing.

If you record a sample using only IN 1 (i.e., no cable in IN 2), does that sample play back on both Outs 1+2, or only on Out 1 ?
Or can you choose?
sonicmayhem
Spend an hour with it. What I always wanted. A super simple sampler. Well done.

However, it still needs a ton of features IMO. Replace sample, preview etc but also Id love it would be possible to see a waveform of the recording right after? Do a quick left and right start/end points would be amazing. Not sure if you guys can do that.

But yeah finally!
1010music
DSC wrote:
Any chance browsing multiple directories would be possible? If not, please let me know so I can start figuring out what I will need to do.
Keep up the great work!!!


Thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to our wishlist, which is very long at the moment. I encourage you to try and make due with the flat directory structure for now.

Take care,

Aaron
1010music
wigwig wrote:
If you record a sample using only IN 1 (i.e., no cable in IN 2), does that sample play back on both Outs 1+2, or only on Out 1 ?
Or can you choose?


At record time, you can choose to make a mono or stereo file. Mono recording can be done from either individual input.

At playback time, stereo files map from In 1 to Out 1 and so on. Mono files will play back on both Out 1 and Out 2. Control of panning is something people have asked for and is on the wishlist.

Let me know if this does not answer your questions.
1010music
sonicmayhem wrote:
Spend an hour with it. What I always wanted. A super simple sampler. Well done.

However, it still needs a ton of features IMO. Replace sample, preview etc but also Id love it would be possible to see a waveform of the recording right after? Do a quick left and right start/end points would be amazing. Not sure if you guys can do that.


Thanks for the kind words. It has been my experience that software is never truly done and there are always more features that could be added. That said, this is version 1.0 and we look forward to the chance to address some of the most popular requests. We really appreciate the suggestions.

Thank you,

Aaron
1010music
GNE wrote:
A better way to audition / load samples would be nice. It would be quicker and more convenient if you could "replace" a sample into a clip without needing to "delete" the sample and all of its settings first.


Great idea. We will take it under consideration.

Thank you.
wigwig
1010music wrote:


At record time, you can choose to make a mono or stereo file. Mono recording can be done from either individual input.

At playback time, stereo files map from In 1 to Out 1 and so on. Mono files will play back on both Out 1 and Out 2. Control of panning is something people have asked for and is on the wishlist.

Let me know if this does not answer your questions.


Thanks!

matttech wrote:


Surely if there is a way to send sounds individually to FX sends (for external processing ) you would simply be able to pick 2 sounds, then send them out of these fx sends for processing within your rig. You would still have the main outs...making 4 in total


Is this right?
Is it possible to have 4 independent outputs?
Or are those sends post-fader?
Ptbarnum
Is there a full manual out there? have only found the QuickStart guide. Thanks
Multi Grooves
@1010

I'm holding off until I have a better idea of where this is going feature set wise...I want to be able to better compare this against the other new samplers on the block. Is it possible to see what requests you plan on implementing or even a list that users can add to and vote on?
1010music
Ptbarnum wrote:
Is there a full manual out there? have only found the QuickStart guide. Thanks


We are overdue in providing a complete manual. Please give us a few more days.
1010music
Multi Grooves wrote:
@1010

I'm holding off until I have a better idea of where this is going feature set wise...I want to be able to better compare this against the other new samplers on the block. Is it possible to see what requests you plan on implementing or even a list that users can add to and vote on?


Let me encourage you to make your comparison based on shipping products/features and not the hypothetical future. I have worked for some major software companies you already know. I have lived through too many painful situations where you have to withdraw a commitment or even a promised direction. It is awful for everyone involved. Plans change. Sometimes things that seem technically feasible up front are too difficult to actually pull off.

That said, I strongly encourage you to tell us what you think is missing. We are listening. We use your feedback to determine what to do next. Please let us work on it in our evil lab until it is ready to talk about. I want you to be happy with your purchase and not be depending on something that might not happen.

Thank you,

Aaron
Fiddlestickz
excellent module imo...deffo on the to buy list..
Ptbarnum
1010music wrote:
Ptbarnum wrote:
Is there a full manual out there? have only found the QuickStart guide. Thanks


We are overdue in providing a complete manual. Please give us a few more days.

Thanks! Bought one the other day, really enjoying it..very easy to get going having watched the videos, just wondering some details about the sd card (formatting etc) thumbs up
Eurocat
Bought it. Like it a lot. Please give us reverse sample.
1010music
Hello all,

The first draft of the User's Manual is now at the bottom of this page:

http://1010music.com/support

Thank you for your support.
Ptbarnum
Thanks for this!
If we're doing feature requests here, I'd love to be able to trigger recording externally via the cv mod ins thumbs up
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Hello all,

The first draft of the User's Manual is now at the bottom of this page:

http://1010music.com/support

Thank you for your support.


Thanks! Simple and informative manual. smile Hoping I get mine this week, can't wait to start playing!
Eurocat
Where do I save a session or make my own preset? I can't seem to find it anywhere and it's not in the manual. As much as I like how easy this sampler is to use with out being able to save anything and make my own presets this thing will be useless for me and I'll probably send it back.
Eurocat
Every time I shut my system I down I lose everything I've worked on? I must be missing something somewhere I'm sure.
1010music
Eurocat wrote:
Where do I save a session or make my own preset?


Saving normally happens in the background automatically. It can take up to 10 seconds for your most recent changes to be written to the card, so be careful powering down or removing the card too quickly. To make sure that a preset is written to the card, switch to another preset and bitbox will save the changes.

If you are losing your work when you power down, something is wrong. Please try the following:
1) Make sure your microSD card is using the FAT format.
2) Try using Disk Utility (Mac) to ensure there aren't any errors in the file system on the microSD card.
3) Try a different microSD card. When you insert a new card be sure to start by loading a preset to connect to the card.

Let us know if this does not help.
wigwig
The first video shows adjusting level while loop continues to play.
Does the loop continue to play when adjusting Start and Length?
komprezzor
TO @1010music

Just ordered one and Im hoping to get it before the end of the week, I must say Im really excited to dig in and also to be able to use it during my upcoming live shows, to @1010music a few questions on my own rise as I read this post:

1.- Does any class of micro sd card work or is there a difference in performance per say if I use a super high speed write one?

2.- I read there is a way to export your set into Ableton from he bitbox,however is there a way to export the sets form Ableton into the bitbox?

3.- Would there be possible to add a multi clip launch (like in live) to all samples located on the same horizontal line?

4.-Is the screen multitouch, can I lunch more than one sample at the time using the screen

and lastly how about making the faceplate black smile some of use enjoy the way black looks in out cases hehe

again really excited to try this and congrats in such amazing module !!
Circus of Mind
@1010

Really enjoying the module in my initial playing around with it.
One question: how does the trs midi cable work? I connected a beatstep pro and can't get it to trigger the cells. Is there a specific midi channel to use? Specific range of notes that correspond to the cells in bitbox?
Daisuk
So it's red stripe down (-12), right? Got mine just now, but I can't see any indication on the PCB. Would be surprised if it wasn't, of course, but just need to double check. smile

Edit - took my chances and went for red down. This thing is excellent. applause
Daisuk
komprezzor wrote:
TO @1010music

Just ordered one and Im hoping to get it before the end of the week, I must say Im really excited to dig in and also to be able to use it during my upcoming live shows, to @1010music a few questions on my own rise as I read this post:

1.- Does any class of micro sd card work or is there a difference in performance per say if I use a super high speed write one?

2.- I read there is a way to export your set into Ableton from he bitbox,however is there a way to export the sets form Ableton into the bitbox?

3.- Would there be possible to add a multi clip launch (like in live) to all samples located on the same horizontal line?

4.-Is the screen multitouch, can I lunch more than one sample at the time using the screen

and lastly how about making the faceplate black smile some of use enjoy the way black looks in out cases hehe

again really excited to try this and congrats in such amazing module !!


1) Not sure, but I just scored a quality micro SD from Ireland on eBay for basically nothing that I want to use with Bitbox (Sandisk Extreme Plus 32 gb, 23 Euros) - just a heads up. smile
2) Oooooh, this would be most excellent! Hadn't thought about it. I'd like to know this too. Would be fantastic.
3) I haven't tried it yet, but this should be possible now. Check out the manual.
4) Yep! You can basically play it like an MPC if you like. smile
1010music
wigwig wrote:
The first video shows adjusting level while loop continues to play.
Does the loop continue to play when adjusting Start and Length?


Yes, you can adjust start and length from the front panel and through modulation while playing.
1010music
komprezzor wrote:
1.- Does any class of micro sd card work or is there a difference in performance per say if I use a super high speed write one?


We haven't done extensive testing here to be able to say for sure. Read performance is more important than write performance. Recording a wave file has a steady rate for writing. A card that can write faster won't buy you very much--assuming there is some kind of difference.

komprezzor wrote:
2.- I read there is a way to export your set into Ableton from he bitbox,however is there a way to export the sets form Ableton into the bitbox?


Bitbox doesn't read Ableton sets directly. However it will read the WAV files that you export from your set. In the bundled content, preset 5 was generated in Ableton and each 24-bit loop was exported with Looping mode on.

komprezzor wrote:
3.- Would there be possible to add a multi clip launch (like in live) to all samples located on the same horizontal line?


That exists today. Look up Scene Trigger in the manual.

komprezzor wrote:
4.-Is the screen multitouch, can I lunch more than one sample at the time using the screen


Yes

komprezzor wrote:
and lastly how about making the faceplate black smile some of use enjoy the way black looks in out cases hehe


I will add this to our request list. Thanks for your questions and comments.
1010music
Circus of Mind wrote:
One question: how does the trs midi cable work? I connected a beatstep pro and can't get it to trigger the cells. Is there a specific midi channel to use? Specific range of notes that correspond to the cells in bitbox?


The quick start guide shows the MIDI notes Bitbox responds to. The summary is that it responds to channel 10 and the lower left cell is note number 36 and it works its way up from there:

http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Bitbox-by-1010-Music-Q uick-Start-Guide.pdf

On the BeatStep Pro, this maps to the Drum part with the default note assignments. You may need to use MIDI Control Center (the Arturia desktop utility) to confirm the note and channel assignments.
Daisuk
I think I've found an error in the manual regarding modulation destination (assigning cell). It says; It is expressed in Row, Column format. Cell 1,1 is in the lower left. Cell 1,4 is the upper left. Cell 4,4 is the upper right.

4,1 is upper left (not 1,4). It's a bit confusing to be honest - why isn't the top left cell 1,1 - the one right of it 1,2, et cetera?

1,1 | 1,2 | 1,3 | 1,4
2,1 | 2,2 | 2,3 | 2,4
3,1 | 3,2 | 3,3 | 3,4
4,1 | 4,2 | 4,3 | 4,4

Wouldn't that make more sense, or do I have a completely different understanding of logic than most people? hmmm..... I guess it's just sort of turned on its head though, bottom left being 1,1, top left being 4,1.

Also - modulating the start of the sample, does the modulation occur only when the sample starts, so that it jumps to a certain place in the sample based only on the incoming CV at exactly the point where it starts again (sort of sample and hold-ish)? Would be cool if it could scan to any point in the sample.

Anyways - it's a brilliant piece of kit! Well done, people. I'm having a lot of fun. So easy to get around the interface as well.

+1 on being able to save samples in folders though. smile
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
I think I've found an error in the manual regarding modulation destination (assigning cell). It says; It is expressed in Row, Column format. Cell 1,1 is in the lower left. Cell 1,4 is the upper left. Cell 4,4 is the upper right.


I stand corrected. We just updated the manual. Here is the correct layout:

4,1 | 4,2 | 4,3 | 4,4
3,1 | 3,2 | 3,3 | 3,4
2,1 | 2,2 | 2,3 | 2,4
1,1 | 1,2 | 1,3 | 1,4

This arrangement of the bottom left being the origin follows the pattern of other 4x4 grids like the MPC and Maschine. I can appreciate that it does seem backwards.

Daisuk wrote:
Also - modulating the start of the sample, does the modulation occur only when the sample starts, so that it jumps to a certain place in the sample based only on the incoming CV at exactly the point where it starts again (sort of sample and hold-ish)? Would be cool if it could scan to any point in the sample.


The start modulation happens when the sample begins and restarts playback, including looping. It would be cool to modulate the play position and I have added that to our request list.

Thanks for the questions and comments.
Montgomery Word
i'm surprised that no one has asked this, but can you use the mod inputs with an envelope in for adsr control? or, aside from start/stop, are there internal attack/decay/sustain/release parameter controls?
Daisuk
Montgomery Word wrote:
i'm surprised that no one has asked this, but can you use the mod inputs with an envelope in for adsr control? or, aside from start/stop, are there internal attack/decay/sustain/release parameter controls?


You can't currently modulate volume with the mod inputs, but I agree, that would be nice!
Montgomery Word
then that is a feature i desire!!! ordering one today.
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I think I've found an error in the manual regarding modulation destination (assigning cell). It says; It is expressed in Row, Column format. Cell 1,1 is in the lower left. Cell 1,4 is the upper left. Cell 4,4 is the upper right.


I stand corrected. We just updated the manual. Here is the correct layout:

4,1 | 4,2 | 4,3 | 4,4
3,1 | 3,2 | 3,3 | 3,4
2,1 | 2,2 | 2,3 | 2,4
1,1 | 1,2 | 1,3 | 1,4

This arrangement of the bottom left being the origin follows the pattern of other 4x4 grids like the MPC and Maschine. I can appreciate that it does seem backwards.

Daisuk wrote:
Also - modulating the start of the sample, does the modulation occur only when the sample starts, so that it jumps to a certain place in the sample based only on the incoming CV at exactly the point where it starts again (sort of sample and hold-ish)? Would be cool if it could scan to any point in the sample.


The start modulation happens when the sample begins and restarts playback, including looping. It would be cool to modulate the play position and I have added that to our request list.

Thanks for the questions and comments.


Ah, that's true! I just need to think upside down, no biggie. smile

How do you save a preset to a slot? Can't find anything in the manual about saving presets (only loading them).

And regarding the crossfading of clips - is there any way to get access to those parameters somehow? Would be nice to be able to choose crossfading time, for instance.
Eurocat
Daisuk wrote:
1010music wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I think I've found an error in the manual regarding modulation destination (assigning cell). It says; It is expressed in Row, Column format. Cell 1,1 is in the lower left. Cell 1,4 is the upper left. Cell 4,4 is the upper right.


I stand corrected. We just updated the manual. Here is the correct layout:

4,1 | 4,2 | 4,3 | 4,4
3,1 | 3,2 | 3,3 | 3,4
2,1 | 2,2 | 2,3 | 2,4
1,1 | 1,2 | 1,3 | 1,4

This arrangement of the bottom left being the origin follows the pattern of other 4x4 grids like the MPC and Maschine. I can appreciate that it does seem backwards.

Daisuk wrote:
Also - modulating the start of the sample, does the modulation occur only when the sample starts, so that it jumps to a certain place in the sample based only on the incoming CV at exactly the point where it starts again (sort of sample and hold-ish)? Would be cool if it could scan to any point in the sample.


The start modulation happens when the sample begins and restarts playback, including looping. It would be cool to modulate the play position and I have added that to our request list.

Thanks for the questions and comments.


Ah, that's true! I just need to think upside down, no biggie. smile

How do you save a preset to a slot? Can't find anything in the manual about saving presets (only loading them).

And regarding the crossfading of clips - is there any way to get access to those parameters somehow? Would be nice to be able to choose crossfading time, for instance.

The whole saving thing was driving me crazy as well but it turns out whichever slot you are in is automatically saved on its own.
burnn_out!
Just grabbed one of these on a whim. Excited to dive into it and get some crazy loops going
Montgomery Word
got mine with the black friday deal ($529) at perfect circuit.
burnn_out!
Montgomery Word wrote:
got mine with the black friday deal ($529) at perfect circuit.


You too huh? Lol I couldn't resist
Montgomery Word
how could i. i fucking hate this holiday, but when you're an addict, you're an addict. also, been waiting for a module like this forever.

hope they implement ADSR, reverse, overdubbing and some other stuff but this is better than all these freakin granular things or sd-only modules.
burnn_out!
Montgomery Word wrote:
how could i. i fucking hate this holiday, but when you're an addict, you're an addict. also, been waiting for a module like this forever.

hope they implement ADSR, reverse, overdubbing and some other stuff but this is better than all these freakin granular things or sd-only modules.


If there was a like button for posts yours would have it. Agreed on all fronts
Daisuk
First little banger (haha) type thing I've recorded with the Bitbox. This is basically just one channel out of Bitbox (not even stereo), and everything goes through the Lo Fi Junky, so it sounds quite lo-fi (not Bitbox's fault).

Main melody thing is four different versions of a Mangrove melody recorded into four separate tracks on the Bitbox that I'm manually triggering in time with the other things (because of the quantize settings). Kick is a kick loaded into Bitbox, as well as the clap and a bongo you can barely hear (all triggered by Trigger Riot).

The other synth line in there is a JU-06 I've sampled into Bitbox, also being triggered by a Trigger Riot. Also sampled some chords from Shapeshifter which you can barely hear in the background, going a bit up and down, occupying four different spots in Bitbox.

Nothing spectacular, of course, but shows that you can basically just have this one module in your modular, and sample shit into it, and still make full tracks with it. smile Awesome piece of kit.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/bitbox[/s]
Montgomery Word
Daisuk wrote:
First little banger (haha) type thing I've recorded with the Bitbox. This is basically just one channel out of Bitbox (not even stereo), and everything goes through the Lo Fi Junky, so it sounds quite lo-fi (not Bitbox's fault).

Main melody thing is four different versions of a Mangrove melody recorded into four separate tracks on the Bitbox that I'm manually triggering in time with the other things (because of the quantize settings). Kick is a kick loaded into Bitbox, as well as the clap and a bongo you can barely hear (all triggered by Trigger Riot).

The other synth line in there is a JU-06 I've sampled into Bitbox, also being triggered by a Trigger Riot. Also sampled some chords from Shapeshifter which you can barely hear in the background, going a bit up and down, occupying four different spots in Bitbox.

Nothing spectacular, of course, but shows that you can basically just have this one module in your modular, and sample shit into it, and still make full tracks with it. smile Awesome piece of kit.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/bitbox[/s]



love this!!!!!
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
i'm surprised that no one has asked this, but can you use the mod inputs with an envelope in for adsr control? or, aside from start/stop, are there internal attack/decay/sustain/release parameter controls?


This is an excellent point. Which would you say is more important? External or internal control?

Let also me point out that you could use the FX1 or FX2 outputs and use a VCA.
Montgomery Word
1010music wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
i'm surprised that no one has asked this, but can you use the mod inputs with an envelope in for adsr control? or, aside from start/stop, are there internal attack/decay/sustain/release parameter controls?


This is an excellent point. Which would you say is more important? External or internal control?

Let also me point out that you could use the FX1 or FX2 outputs and use a VCA.


thanks for your reply! i would like it if there were internal controls for adsr, and you could map either cv in to one of the four parameters OR have an envelope in affect them all. but you could set them also to null and also use the fx1/fx2 mode you just described if you wanted to, say, affect your master output with a vca.
not sure this is possible, but it something that would make your sampler kick supreme ass.
reverse is less important imho, but i would love that, as well as play-head scrubbing via CV.
Eurocat
Something that is really confusing me. If I try to resample coming out of the main outs into either input I get a weird feedback. If I use fx1 or fx2 output into the inputs it works fine. Not a big deal just a little weird.
GNE
Quote:
Something that is really confusing me. If I try to resample coming out of the main outs into either input I get a weird feedback. If I use fx1 or fx2 output into the inputs it works fine. Not a big deal just a little weird.


Your creating a feedback loop.
Inputs 1 and 2 are by default sent through the main output.
sonicmayhem
I really wish the unit would have a 'simple sample mode' that bypasses the live like layout. I also would like to sample something and then have a 'play mode' that would allow me to instantly play the sample with a midi keyboard in its various pitches and not just gates or triggers. Any way of implementing that?
GNE
I will be curious to see what additions will be made to the software.

I am half expecting the next post to read, "please turn the bitbox into an er-301".

I hope that whatever additions / tweaks are made it retains its simple / easy to use layout.
sonicmayhem
GNE wrote:
I will be curious to see what additions will be made to the software.

I am half expecting the next post to read, "please turn the bitbox into an er-301".

I hope that whatever additions / tweaks are made it retains its simple / easy to use layout.


Snobby shitty comments are typical for this forum. No one has ask for it to turn it into anything other than what it wants to be. All the requests are based on it being nothing more but a sampler. A reverse function, replace, play sample with pitch are all extremely basic sampler functions my old EMU already had and then some.
GNE
Quote:
Snobby shitty comments


Why so defensive? Its just the internet, lots of people have different opinions than you and not everything you read is a personal attack.
tFunk
Just to make sure I understood it correctly...

From the bitbox specs:
Quote:
Playback of up to 16 simultaneous samples from internal memory or up to 4 samples directly from microSD



So you can either:

- sample 16 separate tracks
- sample 12 separate tracks and use 4 samples from the micro-sd card (ie. drum samples)


Is that correct?
GNE
I think I may have found a bug.
When I load some short samples into a cell [ metallic sounds ], they distort loudly and the volume control for that cell no longer works. If I delete that sample and replace with a longer sample, it works fine. Is there a limit to how short a sample must be?
1010music
tFunk wrote:
So you can either:

- sample 16 separate tracks
- sample 12 separate tracks and use 4 samples from the micro-sd card (ie. drum samples)

Is that correct?


The idea is that you can stream samples of any length from the microSD card and you can play shorter samples, which are automatically cached into RAM. For drum samples, you can expect 16 notes at once because the module will load them completely into RAM. If you have a bunch of long samples (typically more than 30 seconds each), you may not be able to play more than 4 at a time.

Bitbox does its best to handle all the voices at once. It may be able to do more than 4 in streaming mode, depending on whether the samples are mono versus stereo and what else is happening at the same time.

Sorry for the long nuanced answer. Let me know if this does not answer your questions.
1010music
sonicmayhem wrote:
I really wish the unit would have a 'simple sample mode' that bypasses the live like layout. I also would like to sample something and then have a 'play mode' that would allow me to instantly play the sample with a midi keyboard in its various pitches and not just gates or triggers.


Just to be clear, you want the ability to trigger the sample with different pitches from the touch screen or MIDI? Is this right?
1010music
GNE wrote:
I think I may have found a bug.
When I load some short samples into a cell [ metallic sounds ], they distort loudly and the volume control for that cell no longer works. If I delete that sample and replace with a longer sample, it works fine. Is there a limit to how short a sample must be?


I'm not aware of any limits on length. If you have a sample that breaks the module, please send it my way. I will be happy to have someone check it out.

Thank you,

Aaron
GNE
Quote:
GNE wrote:
I think I may have found a bug.
When I load some short samples into a cell [ metallic sounds ], they distort loudly and the volume control for that cell no longer works. If I delete that sample and replace with a longer sample, it works fine. Is there a limit to how short a sample must be?


I'm not aware of any limits on length. If you have a sample that breaks the module, please send it my way. I will be happy to have someone check it out.


Please send a PM to let me know where you would like to have the files emailed.
I just took a file that was causing problems and made it longer, now it works fine. Only problem is I have hundreds of files that are causing the same problem because they are short.
Daisuk
GNE wrote:
I think I may have found a bug.
When I load some short samples into a cell [ metallic sounds ], they distort loudly and the volume control for that cell no longer works. If I delete that sample and replace with a longer sample, it works fine. Is there a limit to how short a sample must be?


Yeah, I've noticed this with several samples loaded onto the SD-card as well.
Montgomery Word
Daisuk wrote:
GNE wrote:
I think I may have found a bug.
When I load some short samples into a cell [ metallic sounds ], they distort loudly and the volume control for that cell no longer works. If I delete that sample and replace with a longer sample, it works fine. Is there a limit to how short a sample must be?


Yeah, I've noticed this with several samples loaded onto the SD-card as well.


damn. i was hoping to use a lot of short samples. gotta be some way around this.
1010music
Let me thank GNE for providing a test file. I can confirm there is a problem here. It appears that Bibox is not handling this particular format of file properly. (It is a 32-bit stereo file with an ACID header). It doesn't appear related to the length. More to come.

Thank you.
glassofwater
Just ordered one of these myself. Really looking forward to it showing up!

+1 on pitch tracking V/o
Montgomery Word
1010music wrote:
Let me thank GNE for providing a test file. I can confirm there is a problem here. It appears that Bibox is not handling this particular format of file properly. (It is a 32-bit stereo file with an ACID header). It doesn't appear related to the length. More to come.

Thank you.


i must say, my module has not even arrived yet, but so far i am quite impressed with your level of support, 1010.
really makes me feel good about buying your module.
SlayerBadger!
yalivec
i can not find any distributor in Europe, where this sampler is available now. everewhere is just Pre-order(( where all of you bought it? hmmm.....
komprezzor
@1010music
Many thanks for the answers
I received the module last Friday and I love it !!
Daisuk
yalivec wrote:
i can not find any distributor in Europe, where this sampler is available now. everewhere is just Pre-order(( where all of you bought it? hmmm.....


I bought it from Juno in the UK, but they sold out when I bought it (so either they had a very low stock, or they just sold out very quickly - or both).
Montgomery Word
@1010music:
i thought of one more HUGE feature request; threshold based recording arming. you set the threshold and it auto records when you make a sound above threshold.
i thought of this because of the 4 sample max off the SD card. most of what i wanted to do with the bitbox was single sample one shots of percussive organic instruments. without a truncating option, this feature is important.

do you think that's a possibility?

thanks!
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
@1010music:
i thought of one more HUGE feature request; threshold based recording arming. you set the threshold and it auto records when you make a sound above threshold.
i thought of this because of the 4 sample max off the SD card. most of what i wanted to do with the bitbox was single sample one shots of percussive organic instruments. without a truncating option, this feature is important.


First, thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to our wishlist.

In the meantime, short one shots (less than 2 seconds) will be cached and you can get up to 16 at once. We recommend using the record quantization even with one shots to get the timing aligned. For example, fire the drum sounds on quarter notes and set record quantization to 1/4 note. Slow down the tempo to get an entire drum sound per beat.

Let me know if this does not help.
Daisuk
Another request - the ability to toggle exclusive on/off for tracks with the modulation input. Getting some pretty cool variations to drum tracks by just manually switching it around, if there are a few overlapping hits here and there.

Not massively important, obviously, but if it's easy to do, it would be a cool addition. smile
Montgomery Word
1010music thanks for the reply! i will give it a shot!
i do have the expert sleepers modules so i *could* record sounds first to ableton, then use this method to cache them (they're sounds of me hitting like a woodblock, small toots on clarinets, etc.)
Multi Grooves
yalivec wrote:
i can not find any distributor in Europe, where this sampler is available now. everewhere is just Pre-order(( where all of you bought it? hmmm.....



Mine just arrived today from Signalsounds in Glasgow...They were really good to deal with.
wigwig
Sorry for elementary questions, but without the chance to get hands on it's hard to know some things.

Are there any functional differences between Outs 1/2, on one hand, and FX1/FX2 outs, on the other?

Or put differently: What is the significance of this naming convention?

Manual says: "FX outputs are a convenient way to apply different effects to different Tracks."
Couldn't you do the same with Outs 1/2?
Or maybe the outputs are in fact not all the same?
1010music
wigwig wrote:
Are there any functional differences between Outs 1/2, on one hand, and FX1/FX2 outs, on the other?


There are a few differences:
1) Out 1/2 is a stereo output
2) FX1 & FX2 are mono
3) The Inputs (In 1 and In 2) are routed to Out 1/2 for record monitoring.

The only reason the FX outputs have the name FX in them is to hint that you may want to split some things apart from the main outputs for the purpose of external effects. You could put effects or other processing on the main outputs if you wanted.

Let me know if this does not answer your questions.
yalivec
1010music

One (may be stupid) question: when i turn off/on my modular, are samples which i loaded from the SD card to the memory of Bitbox retained or removed?
wigwig
That makes sense.
Thanks

1010music wrote:
wigwig wrote:
Are there any functional differences between Outs 1/2, on one hand, and FX1/FX2 outs, on the other?


There are a few differences:
1) Out 1/2 is a stereo output
2) FX1 & FX2 are mono
3) The Inputs (In 1 and In 2) are routed to Out 1/2 for record monitoring.

The only reason the FX outputs have the name FX in them is to hint that you may want to split some things apart from the main outputs for the purpose of external effects. You could put effects or other processing on the main outputs if you wanted.

Let me know if this does not answer your questions.
1010music
yalivec wrote:
One (may be stupid) question: when i turn off/on my modular, are samples which i loaded from the SD card to the memory of Bitbox retained or removed?


The module saves your progress in such a way that when you shut off the unit you don't lose anything. Said another way, stuff you record and adjustments you make are saved directly to the microSD card as you work.
yalivec
1010music wrote:
stuff you record and adjustments you make are saved directly to the microSD card as you work.


ok, it's clear.
but, for example, if i prepared 16 samples at studio and with the help of SDcard saved them into memory of Bitbox, and then switch of the modular to go to my gig, where then i switch modular on again - will i be able to use that 16 saved samples in my show from the memory of Bitbox (simultaneously) without any SDcard?
1010music
yalivec wrote:
but, for example, if i prepared 16 samples at studio and with the help of SDcard saved them into memory of Bitbox, and then switch of the modular to go to my gig, where then i switch modular on again - will i be able to use that 16 saved samples in my show from the memory of Bitbox (simultaneously) without any SDcard?


Bitbox won't operate without a microSD card. That is the permanent storage. You can prepare for a gig at your PC by putting samples onto a card. Just take your card with you and let Bitbox use it during the gig.
coyotedad23
I absolutely love the Bitbox.
Here is a recording that is using the Bitbox to play back samples from my set up.
Very easily to use and FUN.
Thank you 1010music!

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/295635996" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
1010music
coyotedad23 wrote:
I absolutely love the Bitbox.
Here is a recording that is using the Bitbox to play back samples from my set up.
Very easily to use and FUN.
Thank you 1010music!


Thanks for sharing your music. It reminds me why we build this stuff: To enable you to create inspirational works of art. Thank you for making it a reality.

Aaron
glassofwater
Does the MIDI in port on this thing work with the MIDI-dongle that comes with the Korg SQ-1?

If not, where's the easiest place to get a dongle thing that works with this?
Montgomery Word
glassofwater wrote:
Does the MIDI in port on this thing work with the MIDI-dongle that comes with the Korg SQ-1?

If not, where's the easiest place to get a dongle thing that works with this?

should be fine. it works with everything else. not to mention that the sq1 also has clock out.
1010music
Here is more information on the Bitbox MIDI connection. It uses this approach:

http://cdm.link/2015/08/used-stereo-minijack-cables-midi/

I haven't tried the cable kits from IK Multimedia or Arturia, but they should work. Has anyone else tried this?
Montgomery Word
Here's my Bitbox video smile

Been playing with the bitbox 2 days now. should probably read the manual again, cause sample slicing isn't really working too well with modulating sample start points. using the rene so far to sequence.

sampling and looping, however, works amazingly well, and clocking it via my QCD is a breeze. long, evolving samples are awesome. touch screen with quantized starts awesome. quality and build awesome. scene launching awesome. multiple outputs awesome. looping is fun too.

things i wish it had now that i'm using it are a little different than before i had it and played around with it. reverse would still be great, but now i see what the hardware specific restrictions are.

1010- would of be possible to have peak detection as an option for slices, or maybe a visual waveform and let the user add slices that cv could select? or at the very least, use the slicing function and then choose slices via cv?

i would love a slicing option please, and an adsr page for each sample along with the ability to send envelopes in through the mod inputs as well. if your module could do this, it would be probably the best sampler on the market. it could be already. i know the ER-301 is a beast, but i think the bitbox may be my fave. smile
glassofwater
1010music wrote:
Here is more information on the Bitbox MIDI connection. It uses this approach:

http://cdm.link/2015/08/used-stereo-minijack-cables-midi/

I haven't tried the cable kits from IK Multimedia or Arturia, but they should work. Has anyone else tried this?


Didn't you say in some vid on YouTube that you were using it via MIDI on the BeatStep Pro?
1010music
glassofwater wrote:
Didn't you say in some vid on YouTube that you were using it via MIDI on the BeatStep Pro?


Yes, I can confirm that a TRS cable from the BeatStep Pro MIDI output to the Bitbox MIDI input will work. The 16 drum pads on the BeatStep map to the 4x4 grid on Bitbox.

I can also confirm that the TRS MIDI adapters from Arturia will enable conventional MIDI gear to work with Bitbox. I have ordered some other cables to see what I can recommend.
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:

1010- would of be possible to have peak detection as an option for slices, or maybe a visual waveform and let the user add slices that cv could select? or at the very least, use the slicing function and then choose slices via cv?


Thanks very much for asking. We have looked at this and it is under consideration.
Montgomery Word
Bananallama!
Tropic Al
Just got mine today and am very happy, build quality is great, touchscreen is superb and it sounds really good.

I have only had a quick play so far but a couple of things have sprung up:

Is it possible to set the modulation input to effect more than one cell?
I can only select one cell but would like to modulate a couple of samples or a whole row or even all of the 16 cells with the one input.

Would it be possible to make the length parameter go to more than 100 percent? I really like the glitchy / timestretched sound when a loop is stretched by making the tempo slower and would love the option to do this with one shot samples, or by not having t change the tempo, so in an update in the future could you make it so it goes up to the max length say 500 percent?
And then modulating the length parameter would sound pretty crazy!
Tropic Al
1010music wrote:
glassofwater wrote:
Didn't you say in some vid on YouTube that you were using it via MIDI on the BeatStep Pro?


Yes, I can confirm that a TRS cable from the BeatStep Pro MIDI output to the Bitbox MIDI input will work. The 16 drum pads on the BeatStep map to the 4x4 grid on Bitbox.

I can also confirm that the TRS MIDI adapters from Arturia will enable conventional MIDI gear to work with Bitbox. I have ordered some other cables to see what I can recommend.


Yep, great feature Adam, glad you thought of this and added the option of midi, I just hooked mine up to my beatstep with a TRS cable and bang there you go! EASY applause applause applause
underthebigtree
Is anyone else using this superb module as a tape recorder to capture their wiggles? It's just one of those "oh yeah, it can also do this" things that makes Bitbox awesome.
Iridite
yalivec wrote:
i can not find any distributor in Europe, where this sampler is available now. everewhere is just Pre-order(( where all of you bought it? hmmm.....


http://www.signalsounds.com/product-p/161111304015023.htm

Just went out of stock yesterday, more on the way for next week though
Tropic Al
underthebigtree wrote:
Is anyone else using this superb module as a tape recorder to capture their wiggles? It's just one of those "oh yeah, it can also do this" things that makes Bitbox awesome.


Yes, that's the main reason I bought it.
As a sampler (with the current firmware) its kinda limited in terms of being able to modulate samples compared to the ER301, but for me it works better as a looper / tape recorder.
The interface is very quick and easy to use for this.

One thing I haven't worked out to do, is muting the input when a sample has been recorded.

Not sure if this is possible, but for me I would like the option to be able to activate a blank cell (to record into) which would then turn the input on and then when I have finished recording the input automatically mutes, so I can hear what I have recorded without having to mute my source.
1010music
Tropic Al wrote:
Is it possible to set the modulation input to effect more than one cell?
I can only select one cell but would like to modulate a couple of samples or a whole row or even all of the 16 cells with the one input.
Would it be possible to make the length parameter go to more than 100 percent?


Thanks for the kind words and your requests. All kinds of things are possible. The real challenge is finding the time and a sensible way to implement new features. I have added this stuff to our request list.

Take care,

Aaron
Tropic Al
Is there a limitation with the modulation speed / rate?

Reason I ask because today I did a test with audio rate modulation to the pitch of a sample and it got to a certain point and the sample totally digitally glitched out, but not in a particularly good way, sort of just digital crackles.

If I use the same audio rate modulation with samples in my ER301 it sounds f Rockin' Banana! cking amazing, kind of like the best sounding bit crusher and then with a lower rate of modulation a lasery type effect.

My guess is that the Bitbox is streaming the samples from the card and there might be a limit to how fast it can stream, so with audio rate modulation it craps out, whereas the ER301 has the samples in ram so allows much better response to audio rate modulation?

Is there a way to improve the response to audio rate modulation of the Bitbox in anyway? Would a faster card help? Or is it the firmware? I love using it, the touchscreen rocks, so if I could get these kind of sounds from it, it would be ace.
1010music
Tropic Al wrote:
Is there a limitation with the modulation speed / rate?


Bitbox currently samples the CV inputs every 2ms. For most control signals, like gates and audible pitch manipulation, this is more than fast enough. If you are trying to do FM synthesis, that rate won't cut it as you found out.

I will add your request to our wishlist. Thanks for writing.
Montgomery Word
hey guys, here's my liveset from the other night. i used the bitbox to livesample and do drums with a bastl knit rider. also had an sp404 for compressing stuff and a couple atmospheric sounds.

just wanna say, the bitbox made things fun as hell.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/disxiple/pnca-mediateque-liveset-121016[/s]
Tropic Al
1010music wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Is there a limitation with the modulation speed / rate?


Bitbox currently samples the CV inputs every 2ms. For most control signals, like gates and audible pitch manipulation, this is more than fast enough. If you are trying to do FM synthesis, that rate won't cut it as you found out.

I will add your request to our wishlist. Thanks for writing.


Thanks Adam!
Tropic Al
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey guys, here's my liveset from the other night. i used the bitbox to livesample and do drums with a bastl knit rider. also had an sp404 for compressing stuff and a couple atmospheric sounds.

just wanna say, the bitbox made things fun as hell.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/disxiple/pnca-mediateque-liveset-121016[/s]


Excellent set! SlayerBadger!
Montgomery Word
thanks Tropic Al!!!! it's only my second modular set ever.
i've been performing forever, just still figuring out how to play with a modular.
nickkwas
1010music wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Is there a limitation with the modulation speed / rate?


Bitbox currently samples the CV inputs every 2ms. For most control signals, like gates and audible pitch manipulation, this is more than fast enough. If you are trying to do FM synthesis, that rate won't cut it as you found out.

I will add your request to our wishlist. Thanks for writing.



Hi 1010! I'm new to muffwiggler, but i have to say your module intrigued me from the start. I see you have dealers, but you also accept direct orders to your website. Does it make a difference how i order mine?

Additionally- i wasn't able to quite tell by reading through this thread- does Bitbox have different "banks" where you can load a different set of 16 samples/pad settings? Do your samples stay loaded to each of the 16 pads with gain/slice/tempo settings when you turn the module off and on again?

Once again, super excited about your module and the fact that you're here in this thread supporting users is making me want to order one even more!
Daisuk
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey guys, here's my liveset from the other night. i used the bitbox to livesample and do drums with a bastl knit rider. also had an sp404 for compressing stuff and a couple atmospheric sounds.

just wanna say, the bitbox made things fun as hell.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/disxiple/pnca-mediateque-liveset-121016[/s]


Very nice set! Enjoyed listening to that. Thanks for posting. smile
1010music
nickkwas wrote:
I see you have dealers, but you also accept direct orders to your website. Does it make a difference how i order mine?


Thanks for writing. It doesn't matter where you order it. Whatever you prefer.

nickkwas wrote:
Additionally- i wasn't able to quite tell by reading through this thread- does Bitbox have different "banks" where you can load a different set of 16 samples/pad settings? Do your samples stay loaded to each of the 16 pads with gain/slice/tempo settings when you turn the module off and on again?


Yes, there are 12 banks that you can switch between. All the settings are saved automatically and are remembered when you turn the unit off.

Let us know if you have further questions.
yalivec
oh my...I've ordered it at last!!! thanx to Control shop! we're not worthy
Tropic Al
So I managed to get some interesting sounds by modulating the length and pitch parameters with the slice mode set to on, look forward to 1010 updating the firmware with more options for modulation in the future thumbs up

Here's a vid

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOCLn7vjmql/?taken-by=sun_shine_lover
vasculator
this module changes everything for me. holy hell does it do what it says it does. mind absolutely blown and now i really want an OD301 to pair with it. i sold my octatrack to fund this and a new case and i have no regrets now.

is everyone on 1.0.3 firmware? i didn't see how it gets updated or anything on their site and i'm assuming it can load from the sd card.
Montgomery Word
one of the really difficult parts is that i can't leave any inputs plugged in for sampling without having things double up once i do. there needs to be a mute mode for after you capture a sample. then i could use it live.
as of now, i'm considering using my wmd sequential switch matrix to have a copy of a signal that only goes to the bitbox when the bitbox is set to sample. but i haven't figured it out yet.
please make another firmware for this!
vasculator
totally agree with this. also a way to toggle between the 2nd info screen back to the 1st without going to Home again.

Montgomery Word wrote:
one of the really difficult parts is that i can't leave any inputs plugged in for sampling without having things double up once i do. there needs to be a mute mode for after you capture a sample. then i could use it live.
...
please make another firmware for this!
Multi Grooves
Tropic Al wrote:
So I managed to get some interesting sounds by modulating the length and pitch parameters with the slice mode set to on, look forward to 1010 updating the firmware with more options for modulation in the future thumbs up

Here's a vid

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOCLn7vjmql/?taken-by=sun_shine_lover



I see that and now I need a joystick.
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
one of the really difficult parts is that i can't leave any inputs plugged in for sampling without having things double up once i do. there needs to be a mute mode for after you capture a sample. then i could use it live.


Thanks for the request. I get that you want record monitoring to stop once you finish recording. When would you want it to start again? Manually? Automatically when you visit the record screen? Something else?

Thank you,

Aaron
1010music
vascular wrote:
...also a way to toggle between the 2nd info screen back to the 1st without going to Home again.


I'm not sure which screens you mean here. You can keep pressing home to switch between the main (grid) screen and the menu screen. You can also return from the second clip details screen to the first by pressing home.

What am I missing?

(Also, 1.0.3 is the current version at this time.)
Montgomery Word
1010music wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
one of the really difficult parts is that i can't leave any inputs plugged in for sampling without having things double up once i do. there needs to be a mute mode for after you capture a sample. then i could use it live.


Thanks for the request. I get that you want record monitoring to stop once you finish recording. When would you want it to start again? Manually? Automatically when you visit the record screen? Something else?

Thank you,

Aaron


hey aaron,

i think it would be most musical to have options. like, default could be to have a monitor page for the outputs on track page, maybe. then, we could have whatever is coming in from a mult so we didn't have to "monitor" it again if was already output somewhere else. but on the record sample page, you could choose to monitor an input before recording if you wanted. or not. then, once played, it could be an earlier version of a sequence, or an octave below, but re-introduced. this way, there could be no doubling up of a sound if not desired.

hope that makes sense.

thanks!
-jon
Tropic Al
1010music wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
one of the really difficult parts is that i can't leave any inputs plugged in for sampling without having things double up once i do. there needs to be a mute mode for after you capture a sample. then i could use it live.


Thanks for the request. I get that you want record monitoring to stop once you finish recording. When would you want it to start again? Manually? Automatically when you visit the record screen? Something else?

Thank you,

Aaron


Hi Aaron

Could there be a button that is for input monitoring that toggles on & off for each sample. So if you want to hear the inputs click it on and then mute to mute the inputs click it off.

Also if it was in the off position then clicking on record could let the inputs come through and when you stop recording they are muted again automatically
vasculator
oh i see that was my confusion. now i get it. i was referring to 'more details' and must have pressed the button too quickly. i expected something where the 'more' label was to take me back but that is unneeded.

1010music wrote:
vascular wrote:
...also a way to toggle between the 2nd info screen back to the 1st without going to Home again.


I'm not sure which screens you mean here. You can keep pressing home to switch between the main (grid) screen and the menu screen. You can also return from the second clip details screen to the first by pressing home.

What am I missing?

(Also, 1.0.3 is the current version at this time.)
tFunk
Anybody using it with a screen protector? I was thinking about buying a tablet screen protector and cut it so it fits the bitbox screen. Is there any better solution?
youkon
Tropic Al wrote:

Could there be a button that is for input monitoring that toggles on & off for each sample. So if you want to hear the inputs click it on and then mute to mute the inputs click it off.

Also if it was in the off position then clicking on record could let the inputs come through and when you stop recording they are muted again automatically - and start playback of sample


+1!!!

this is exactly what I was thinking about today
youkon
Nooooowwww applause finally
this little sucker is at my home lol

hardware feels really solid.
get's quite warm here. (I think it's normal due to power consumtion)

wishlist:

please make the interface more immediate - as there is a touchscreen, make more use of it!!! just like on smartphones.. e.g.: menu settings could advance by pressing on them (why do I have to scroll the encoder here?)
sample loading needs too many presses, prelistening is missing (would like to doublepress the slot, then have something like a popup and then scroll through the sample list and be able to instantly prelisten)

I really would like to have double press functions for faster menu navigation.
I can't select a running slot for changing settings without changing its state (there could be a performance screen where you can alter the states of the slots and then a menu screen where you can't change the states by selecting a slot but altering several settings

I would like to (double)press and hold a slot and then move/copy its content to another slot

would it be possible to use the 16 Ins as Outs instead as well??? (if I was only manually triggering the slots via touchscreen, then I'd prefer to have several out functions like triggers/gates/envfollowers etc)

also, as we have two ins for recording - what about recording to mono files into two different slots at once?


would like to be able to store individual default settings (e.g. default trigger-/loopmode, stereo or mono input for recording...)

would like to be able to mute an active slot (when trigger in is active)



all in all the hardware feels really good, the quality of sound is great, but the software feels still too empty. I hope there will be going on still a lot in the near future



thanks for listening thumbs up
Daisuk
Loving Bitbox, it's an awesome module. smile A few things that have been said already, but count me in on the wishlist:

- Pre-listen when scrolling samples (it would be ace if you could hear the sample currently highlighted, like you can when scrolling on say a NI Maschine).
- Being able to store samples in folders would be fantastic.
- Set default trigger modes for tracks or slots (if I want to add a sample to a slot, seeing as I can't prelisten to the sample, I sometimes have to load a lot, and then having to set trigger mode manually to "trigger" every time is a bit time consuming).
- Would there be some way to split the stereo out into two mono outs?
DSC
I really would like it to make me some french fries and maybe it could give me a foot massage too thumbs up
Multi Grooves
Pftttt....I holding out for a full hand job.
1010music
youkon wrote:
please make the interface more immediate - as there is a touchscreen, make more use of it!!! just like on smartphones.. e.g.: menu settings could advance by pressing on them (why do I have to scroll the encoder here?)
sample loading needs too many presses, prelistening is missing (would like to doublepress the slot, then have something like a popup and then scroll through the sample list and be able to instantly prelisten)

I really would like to have double press functions for faster menu navigation.
I can't select a running slot for changing settings without changing its state (there could be a performance screen where you can alter the states of the slots and then a menu screen where you can't change the states by selecting a slot but altering several settings.


Great suggestions. On this last point, please know that you can use the knobs on the main clip screen to select between different samples without triggering them.

youkon wrote:
I would like to (double)press and hold a slot and then move/copy its content to another slot

would it be possible to use the 16 Ins as Outs instead as well??? (if I was only manually triggering the slots via touchscreen, then I'd prefer to have several out functions like triggers/gates/envfollowers etc)

also, as we have two ins for recording - what about recording to mono files into two different slots at once?

would like to be able to store individual default settings (e.g. default trigger-/loopmode, stereo or mono input for recording...)

would like to be able to mute an active slot (when trigger in is active)


We agree that there is lots of room for improvement. I will add all of these items to our wishlist.

Thanks for taking the time to send them.
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
Loving Bitbox, it's an awesome module. smile A few things that have been said already, but count me in on the wishlist:

- Pre-listen when scrolling samples (it would be ace if you could hear the sample currently highlighted, like you can when scrolling on say a NI Maschine).
- Being able to store samples in folders would be fantastic.
- Set default trigger modes for tracks or slots (if I want to add a sample to a slot, seeing as I can't prelisten to the sample, I sometimes have to load a lot, and then having to set trigger mode manually to "trigger" every time is a bit time consuming).
- Would there be some way to split the stereo out into two mono outs?


Thanks for the excellent suggestions, including supporting some previous ones. This really helps us know what to do next. We look forward to making the module even better.

Take care,

Aaron
burnn_out!
I'd like to be able to quickly mute loops from the touchscreen that is all
Royalston
What's the latency of this module for firing a sample from when the trigger is received?
Tropic Al
tFunk wrote:
Anybody using it with a screen protector? I was thinking about buying a tablet screen protector and cut it so it fits the bitbox screen.


I did just this and it works well.
youkon
@1010music:

did you think about a screensaver?[/quote]
youkon
may I continue my wishlist?

Sample Start/Length: when touching the start/length field, percantage changes to quantized values (bars and ticks)
ywwg
1010music wrote:

shellfritsch wrote:

3) are samples triggered via midi velocity sensitive?


For these last three, today the answer is no. I have added them to our request list.


I would definitely like to have the bitbox respond to velocity, either with gain, length, pitch, or a combination of parameters.

Loving the module so far, it's really easy to get moving with it!
ywwg
two more feature requests:

* instead of tap-to-launch sounds, the ability to have tap-to-mute so I can quickly enable / disable parts without turning off the incoming triggers.

* choking, so that, for example, if a closed hat is triggered while an open hat is playing, the sound of the open hat is interrupted. This would have to be configurable inside the info screen.
Tropic Al
ywwg wrote:
two more feature requests:



* choking, so that, for example, if a closed hat is triggered while an open hat is playing, the sound of the open hat is interrupted. This would have to be configurable inside the info screen.


Don't know if you know, but you can do this already, but only per track.

Home - tracks - select your track (from the four) - info - and then turn exclusive on.

Kinda limiting because you have to set a whole track (4 samples) so would be better to be able to configure and select which samples are part of the exclusive group, from 2 to 16 if you wanted.
youkon
yesterday, I thought about how it would be if you could make a single slot exclusive, for having the ability to instantly solo a sample for a break for example
youkon
then there was still something confusiong, which took me a day until I got it:


I wanted to do scene triggers. Worked fine for the first scene, but couldn't launch the other three scenes.
After a day I realized, I have to REMAP scenetrigger. Then it worked.

Don't know if this is wanted or not. Now I know, so no problem anymore.






ps: the more and more I play, the more fun and new possibilities I have within my system!!
the bitbox doesn't feel that much "modular" but integrates quite well into my modular system
mopoco
got one for the wishlist:
though it is true that the bitbox being in a vertical rack triggering an modulating leads would hang over the touchscreen...
however, using this awesome sampler in desktop manner or even in a horizontal skiff the leads keep me from using the bitbox in the ideal ergonomic position.

therefore i'd recommend a global menu with an option for upside-down mode of the module (cf. intellijels planar's alternative upside-down panel)
if feasible
1010music
youkon wrote:
then there was still something confusiong, which took me a day until I got it:


I wanted to do scene triggers. Worked fine for the first scene, but couldn't launch the other three scenes.
After a day I realized, I have to REMAP scenetrigger. Then it worked.

Don't know if this is wanted or not. Now I know, so no problem anymore.


Thanks for tracking this one down. I have added it to our bug list.
1010music
youkon wrote:
may I continue my wishlist?

Sample Start/Length: when touching the start/length field, percantage changes to quantized values (bars and ticks)


Please do continue the wishlist. We do keep track of these items. If only there were enough time to implement them all, including the screen saver smile
1010music
mopoco wrote:
got one for the wishlist:
though it is true that the bitbox being in a vertical rack triggering an modulating leads would hang over the touchscreen...
however, using this awesome sampler in desktop manner or even in a horizontal skiff the leads keep me from using the bitbox in the ideal ergonomic position.

therefore i'd recommend a global menu with an option for upside-down mode of the module (cf. intellijels planar's alternative upside-down panel)
if feasible


That's a cool idea. We will definitely keep it in mind.

Thank you,

Aaron
1010music
ywwg wrote:
two more feature requests:

* instead of tap-to-launch sounds, the ability to have tap-to-mute so I can quickly enable / disable parts without turning off the incoming triggers.

* choking, so that, for example, if a closed hat is triggered while an open hat is playing, the sound of the open hat is interrupted. This would have to be configurable inside the info screen.


I like the idea of tap to mute. I would guess this means another mode for the touch screen where tapping is mute/unmute. Let me know if you have another idea.

Regarding the choking, please do give the track exclusive mode a try. I know it is not quite what you asked for, but close. The user's manual has more information.

Take care,

Aaron
youkon
I would be interested in exlusive mode for every single slot as well hihi
Daisuk
Would it be possible to add a "clear all" type function? I always want to start from scratch basically, and thought about just saving a blank preset, but seeing as the machine automatically saves for me, it means I won't have a blank preset when I re-start the module.

Also, I want to have trigger mode set to "trigger" by the default instead of gate. Is there a way to save this as default? It seems like I have to set it to trigger every time I load a new sample (as "gate" seems to be default), which I do quite a lot during a session, so having a preset saved automatically wouldn't really work.
Tropic Al
Daisuk wrote:
Would it be possible to add a "clear all" type function? I always want to start from scratch basically, and thought about just saving a blank preset, but seeing as the machine automatically saves for me, it means I won't have a blank preset when I re-start the module.

Also, I want to have trigger mode set to "trigger" by the default instead of gate. Is there a way to save this as default? It seems like I have to set it to trigger every time I load a new sample (as "gate" seems to be default), which I do quite a lot during a session, so having a preset saved automatically wouldn't really work.


+1
youkon
Daisuk wrote:
Would it be possible to add a "clear all" type function? I always want to start from scratch basically, and thought about just saving a blank preset, but seeing as the machine automatically saves for me, it means I won't have a blank preset when I re-start the module.


+1
1010music
Thanks for the suggestions on clear preset. For now, you can delete the XML files from the microSD card to start with a blank slate. There is one for each preset. It won't solve the trigger/gate default but it will get you started.
komprezzor
1010music wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions on clear preset. For now, you can delete the XML files from the microSD card to start with a blank slate. There is one for each preset. It won't solve the trigger/gate default but it will get you started.

I tried emailing the support in reg of the MIIDI TRS cable, I hope you can help me in here, its states in the manual that you can use the beatstep pro cable, how ever I dont own a beatstep and Arturia wants to charge 14 plus 50 dollars for shipping for a new set of cables, seems super crazy to be hones so I need to know if I can use any of the following alternatives:

https://www.mpcstuff.com/trs-cable-3-5-midi/

https://www.mpcstuff.com/trs-cable-50mm-3-5-midi-break-out-cable-mpc-s tudio/

https://www.amazon.com/DIN-Male-Playing-Electronic-Musical-Instrument/ dp/B01KVIZTW4/ref=s9_simh_gw_g23_i2_r?_encoding=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m =ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=JM2F68FFJ6MCDDBHPJSP&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_ rd_p=a6aaf593-1ba4-4f4e-bdcc-0febe090b8ed&pf_rd_i=desktop

https://www.amazon.com/MOTONG-Playing-Electronic-Musical-Instrument/dp  /B01M25P1U9/ref=sr_1_4?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1483751178&sr=1-4&keywords=t rs+midi+cable

I will be using this with my Social entropy sequencer, any help would be appreciated it!!
vasculator
it would be nice if there was an icon or number that could be displayed for each track on the main screen so you know what output they are set to without going to the Tracks menu. even one or two separate pixels as quick indicators might work and would help when repatching.
Purveyor2
Had a play on it yesterday, selling and saving for it now. Perfect for my rig.
youkon
hooked the Bitbox up via MIDI to my Cirklon Sequencer.

Midi confusion: everything gets triggered but seems like some way of toggle-repeat or trigger-repeat mode going on, no matter which settings are chosen for the clips.

when I make my notes longer in my pattern, the clips restart like in repeat mode if they were short clips

I tried different presets - all the same.
Something like note off wasn't recognized. The bars below the clipnames enlighten when being triggered but do not disappear anymore until I touch the clip on screen. When I stop the sequencer, the bars stay active.

OS: 1.03

I tried different trigger modes on the bitbox but no change.
Will hook up another midi device as next step to go sure it's got nothing to do with the Cirklon (used to trigger all my other gear correctly until now)


is anyone using the Bitbox via MIDI?



EDIT: I tried toggle mode further and here the gate in from midi reacts. When the note is longer than the sample itself, the sample starts to repeat and then toggles?!
...something like that
I'm confused hmmm.....
ywwg
1010music wrote:
I like the idea of tap to mute. I would guess this means another mode for the touch screen where tapping is mute/unmute. Let me know if you have another idea.

Regarding the choking, please do give the track exclusive mode a try. I know it is not quite what you asked for, but close. The user's manual has more information.


I agree, mute/unmute would be a mode for the whole screen that would have to be some sort of global preference.

I'll give exclusive mode a shot. It sounds like it'll work for what I want.

My #1 request is still responding to midi velocity. Maybe just map it to gain to start with as a proof-of-concept? I'm loving the box and I appreciate that you're listening to suggestions!
youkon
youkon wrote:
hooked the Bitbox up via MIDI to my Cirklon Sequencer.

Midi confusion: everything gets triggered but seems like some way of toggle-repeat or trigger-repeat mode going on, no matter which settings are chosen for the clips.

when I make my notes longer in my pattern, the clips restart like in repeat mode if they were short clips

I tried different presets - all the same.
Something like note off wasn't recognized. The bars below the clipnames enlighten when being triggered but do not disappear anymore until I touch the clip on screen. When I stop the sequencer, the bars stay active.

OS: 1.03

I tried different trigger modes on the bitbox but no change.
Will hook up another midi device as next step to go sure it's got nothing to do with the Cirklon (used to trigger all my other gear correctly until now)


is anyone using the Bitbox via MIDI?



EDIT: I tried toggle mode further and here the gate in from midi reacts. When the note is longer than the sample itself, the sample starts to repeat and then toggles?!
...something like that
I'm confused hmmm.....


I hooked up a midi keyboard only now and this seems to work as expected!!! (gate mode)
will investigate further on the sequencer side now
1010music
Regarding the MIDI adapter, our partners at Malekko have just released this new option:

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/product/malekko-midi-cables/

As for the sequencer, we have worked extensively with the Arturia BeatStep Pro. You can run a TRS cable directly from the MIDI output of that unit to the input of Bitbox. I'm sorry to say we haven't tried the Cirklon.

Regarding the MIDI velocity support, that makes sense and it is now on our wishlist. Thanks for the suggestion.
Purveyor2
Can you just use trs cable from BSP straight into bitbox?
1010music
youkon wrote:
hooked the Bitbox up via MIDI to my Cirklon Sequencer.

Midi confusion: everything gets triggered but seems like some way of toggle-repeat or trigger-repeat mode going on, no matter which settings are chosen for the clips.


I have noticed that on the Drum section of the BeatStep Pro, it is impossible to capture duration that extends beyond the step. You always get retriggering even if you want something held. This arrangement seems made for triggering--not gating samples.

If you use the melodic parts, things like ties and recording from the input work in a more musical or melodic way.

Maybe this is what you are seeing on the Cirklon?
1010music
Purveyor2 wrote:
Can you just use trs cable from BSP straight into bitbox?


Yes
yalivec
Happy NY, new case and new module for me

w00t SlayerBadger!

Montgomery Word
hey there, 1010. just wondering, is there any word on a new firmware revision? i would like reverse, adsr's, delete all, audition sample from load screen, more loop options, and overdub if at all possible. also, mute input options for flawless capturing on new samples.
thanks. just kinda wanted to know if there was any date to look forward to on firmware. i get a little jealous reading all the er301 updates spinning
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey there, 1010. just wondering, is there any word on a new firmware revision?


Dear all,

We are working hard on some new announcements for NAMM, which starts on Thursday, January 19th. There will be a new Bitbox beta version and some other stuff to be revealed later.

Thanks for your patience. We look forward to serving you.

The 1010music Team
Montgomery Word
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey there, 1010. just wondering, is there any word on a new firmware revision? i would like reverse, adsr's, delete all, audition sample from load screen, more loop options, and overdub if at all possible. also, mute input options for flawless capturing on new samples.
thanks. just kinda wanted to know if there was any date to look forward to on firmware. i get a little jealous reading all the er301 updates spinning


love SlayerBadger! screaming goo yo It's motherfucking bacon yo thumbs up w00t!! Rasta-nana Rawk! Dono-Kun Dance The Chewbacca Defense
Southfork
yalivec wrote:
Happy NY, new case and new module for me

w00t SlayerBadger!



Cool, what case is that?
Tropic Al
1010music wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey there, 1010. just wondering, is there any word on a new firmware revision?


Dear all,

We are working hard on some new announcements for NAMM, which starts on Thursday, January 19th. There will be a new Bitbox beta version and some other stuff to be revealed later.

Thanks for your patience. We look forward to serving you.

The 1010music Team


So Looking forward to this Rockin' Banana! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!
1010music
Also, for anyone considering installing a Bitbox in your car, here is how it can be done:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2440361#2440361
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Also, for anyone considering installing a Bitbox in your car, here is how it can be done:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2440361#2440361


Haha, that's awesome. lol
yalivec
yalivec wrote:
Happy NY, new case and new module for me

w00t SlayerBadger!

Cool, what case is that?


it's mdr.modular krasnoyarsk - https://www.facebook.com/mdr.modular/
1010music
Hello,

As promised, here is the beta version of Bitbox that we are showing at NAMM:

http://1010music.com/bitboxbeta

Here is a brief highlight of the new features:

    Scrolling waveforms on the clip screen
    Slice mode, which allows you to play sounds one slice or section at a time
    Pitch modulation via 1V/Octave control
    Various bug fixes


Let me stress that this is a beta version and more testing and validation is coming.

We look forward to your feedback. Thanks for all the wonderful suggestions. I wish we had the resources to implement all of them.

The 1010music team
Ras Thavas
Wow, very nice, looking forward to trying this!
DSC
Is this 'beta' in that there might be bugs and needs to be tested, or are there still unfinished bits in it? I want to go live, but if it is unfinished, then I will wait.
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Hello,

As promised, here is the beta version of Bitbox that we are showing at NAMM:

http://1010music.com/bitboxbeta

Here is a brief highlight of the new features:

    Scrolling waveforms on the clip screen
    Slice mode, which allows you to play sounds one slice or section at a time
    Pitch modulation via 1V/Octave control
    Various bug fixes


Let me stress that this is a beta version and more testing and validation is coming.

We look forward to your feedback. Thanks for all the wonderful suggestions. I wish we had the resources to implement all of them.

The 1010music team


This sounds awesome! smile I'm not able to upgrade, though. I have renamed the file to MATRIX.BIN, but Bitbox tells me it isn't able to find the file when I boot it up.

Edit - renamed the file to just "MATRIX" (as it was already recognized as a .bin file), and that worked fine. smile

First thing I noticed when firing it up, is that loop mode while switching between slices doesn't work on all slices. Some slices just doesn't loop.

It's looking good, by the way, great to be able to slice while seeing the waveform. smile And I have to say, having played with this for just about an hour, it's really an excellent addition, opens this thing wide open! Love it. smile
glassofwater
Super cool, 1010. Thanks!

Man this slice thing looks seriously cool. Time to make some jungle on this thing.
Tropic Al
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This sounds awesome! smile I'm not able to upgrade, though. I have renamed the file to MATRIX.BIN, but Bitbox tells me it isn't able to find the file when I boot it up.

Edit - renamed the file to just "MATRIX" (as it was already recognized as a .bin file), and that worked fine. smile

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Yeah I just had the same problem, instructions could be clearer I think, I did exactly the same.
Tropic Al
New firmware looking good!

Waveform display is a nice touch and the scan / autoslice function is great!
gein
Wow! This made my day, some really cool glitch stuff possible with the slices. Thanks!!!
Conrad
Interesting that so many eurorack samplers/manglers seem to be popping up lately
Daisuk
Conrad wrote:
Interesting that so many eurorack samplers/manglers seem to be popping up lately


Only a year or two back there weren't that many alternatives around (I can only think of Phonogene, Nebulae and the, cough, weird Doepfer a-112 sampler), so no wonder, really! smile
gein
Conrad wrote:
Interesting that so many eurorack samplers/manglers seem to be popping up lately

It's because it's really nice to sample your modular with your modular and then mutate the samples again with your modular. w00t
Eurocat
This is the best thing that came of Namm this year!
DSC
I really like the way you guys are trying out different concepts with the same hardware!!! Unlike other companies that use the same hardware and make you pay again for the same hardware!!! Huge props!
richc90
matttech
Just watched that video and there's some awesome stuff in there. Fxbox reminds me of Sugar bytes effective, which is serious fun...And the slicing feature on bitbox looks really well implemented from that short clip.
Circus of Mind
Nice, that new FX firmware looks like it'll be like the effects plugins "effectrix" and "glitch" with its built in sequencer.

If it could step through presets, and toggle bypass via trigger I'd be very happy.

Already pleased with the bitbox. This might motivate another MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Circus of Mind
matttech wrote:
Just watched that video and there's some awesome stuff in there. Fxbox reminds me of Sugar bytes effective, which is serious fun...


beat me to it
Montgomery Word
here's a lil instagram vid of the new slice mode::

NEW FIRMWARE STEEZ.

i <3 it! thanks so much. please keep em coming!
love
GNE
What will the difference be between the FXbox hardware and Bitbox hardware?

This is making me want to buy a 2nd Bitbox now so I can use both at the same time.
Montgomery Word
holy shit FXBOX looks killer!
Tropic Al
GNE wrote:
What will the difference be between the FXbox hardware and Bitbox hardware?

This is making me want to buy a 2nd Bitbox now so I can use both at the same time.


They kind of look the same and as you can run the FXbox firmware on the Bitbox then I guess there's no difference
1010music
DSC wrote:
Is this 'beta' in that there might be bugs and needs to be tested, or are there still unfinished bits in it? I want to go live, but if it is unfinished, then I will wait.


It is beta is both senses: There are bugs and it needs testing. And, there are some unfinished bits.
Daisuk
Very nice that we'll be able to test out the FXBox firmware as well! smile Any chance of adding any FX to the Bitbox as well, or is that ruled out due to FXBox becoming a reality eventually?
amnesia
Great demos at Namm.

Can you manually scrub/ scratch the waveform on the screen?
matttech
Circus of Mind wrote:
matttech wrote:
Just watched that video and there's some awesome stuff in there. Fxbox reminds me of Sugar bytes effective, which is serious fun...


beat me to it


Bloody predictive text!!.... Meant Sugarbytes Effectrix
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
Very nice that we'll be able to test out the FXBox firmware as well! smile Any chance of adding any FX to the Bitbox as well, or is that ruled out due to FXBox becoming a reality eventually?


Now that Bitbox has waveforms, the available CPU for doing effects is limited. We will take this idea under consideration.
1010music
amnesia wrote:
Can you manually scrub/ scratch the waveform on the screen?


You can grab and slide the waveform for the purposes of adjusting the slices. This action does not currently scrub or scratch the audio.
Montgomery Word
1010music wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Can you manually scrub/ scratch the waveform on the screen?


You can grab and slide the waveform for the purposes of adjusting the slices. This action does not currently scrub or scratch the audio.


"does not currently"....
i love the sound of that! Guinness ftw!
landmax
I've tried recording on the new firmware but just get "waiting to start" and nothing is recorded? Anyone else able to record, am I missing something?
Tropic Al
landmax wrote:
I've tried recording on the new firmware but just get "waiting to start" and nothing is recorded? Anyone else able to record, am I missing something?


Yep recorded a bunch of stuff with the new firware last night worked fine, no problems.

Is the audio going through?
landmax
Tropic Al wrote:
landmax wrote:
I've tried recording on the new firmware but just get "waiting to start" and nothing is recorded? Anyone else able to record, am I missing something?


Yep recorded a bunch of stuff with the new firware last night worked fine, no problems.

Is the audio going through?


Yes it was going through, I could hear it and also showing on the db indicator? Will have another try later.
youkon
wishlist:

left side upper corner: nice to see the selected slot - push here and you get back to that screen

some way to get slice activated via mod input - what I'd like to do: running a long e.g. ambience or pad sample. now when there comes in a trigger or cv, I'd like to get the sample looped. the question is how and at what point and how to jump between different loops or how to advance or come back to free running

as there are only four mod inputs, a mod matrix might be a welcome solution for the mod inputs in order to address several functions at once with one mod input


after power on, I want to come back to the last used preset (would love to have rather 100 presets than 12, don't know if this would be possible), presets selectable via program change


sample load: on load screen - left field from "load" - here should be the prelisten button :-)


on the clip screen: touch empty slot, hold, touch second empty slot - record two mono files at once Mr. Green (don't know if this would be possible)


pressing "info" shouldn't stop on the last page but toggle between the pages insead

two finger draw on waveform zoomes in and out? for exact slice/looppoints?
(don't know if this is needed)


as already mentioned clever recording functions in order to prevent audio feedback or hearing something twice.
what I'd like to do mostly:
1. record my final stereo out of the modular.
2. capture loops during performance from single voices within the system and play them back. would have an aux feed from the mixer or similar into bitbox.
When I had my signal hooked up constantly only through the bitbox, the bitbox should be able to handle either or playback - switching between incoming/recording signal and playback signal (sorry, really bad explained. my brain isn't in proper english mode, yet)

I would't want effects within the bitbox, better get everything out of it for sample mangling/routing/handling etc. We have enough dedicated efx in modularland. if easy, I could make use of a simple highpass/lowcut function for the slots/sample settings


what is often annoying is that I lose my sample settings when changing the sample within a slot. of course often you don't want to keep settings like startpoint, but slice mode or trigger mode or quantise mode are settings I oftenwant to keep when changing a sample.
I'm asking myself as well if it was good to keep settings from used samples on the sd card


what I din't find yet: when I made a record I don't want to keep - how can I delete/undo this?


still a question:
how do I play slice "n" instead of slice 1 without mod input?
will I be able to choose slices via midi?
1010music
youkon wrote:
wishlist:

(many great ideas)



Thanks very much. Regarding the last couple of points, we are still working on this update and will have something for you.
youkon
Aaron, I like you!

just had another idea when playing with samples:
make another screen with e.g. four fields with xy or similar, where you could route functions to! clocked slice scrubbing with fingers with rolls and stutters and the like hihi something like this. then set up as many mod sources/destinations (internal possible sources/destinations as well as incoming cv signals) as possible and unheard audio will come out there applause
clockdevision, logic between several modulations, adjustable +- values,...

and all mappable and/or premapped on a finger performance screen
pinhole_sunrise
Anyone using a screen protector and if so what kind?
Tropic Al
pinhole_sunrise wrote:
Anyone using a screen protector and if so what kind?


I am using one that was for a tablet that I cut to size, works well.
vasculator
iphone 5s protectors have the same width as the bitbox screen height. makes for 2 quick cuts to have an appropriate shape and they can be found for $5 or less.

another feature request: it would be nice to have a graphic assignment for the modulation destinations instead of "2,2". something akin to the icon that displays the current slot being edited.
pinhole_sunrise
vasculator wrote:
iphone 5s protectors have the same width as the bitbox screen height. makes for 2 quick cuts to have an appropriate shape and they can be found for $5 or less.


Thanks, most helpful
Hi5
Late to the Bitbox and had one question.
I see it has trigger quantization options but can it do and time compression/stretching of the sample based on the overall clock?

Could always make sure your loops are all in the same tempo to get around this I guess.
nickkwas
Montgomery Word wrote:
1010music wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Can you manually scrub/ scratch the waveform on the screen?


You can grab and slide the waveform for the purposes of adjusting the slices. This action does not currently scrub or scratch the audio.


"does not currently"....
i love the sound of that! Guinness ftw!



Seriously! Love the way 1010 audio is so active with the community.

Love my bitbox so far! Did not get a chance to check out FX box at NAMM but i am loving my Bitbox so far... if you guys keep it up you just might end up with ALL of my money :p
1010music
Hello all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of version 1.1.0 of the Bitbox firmware. This update is mostly bug fixes against the beta version released last week.

There is one surprise feature which is the ability to sync a loop using slices. It provides much better sounding time shifting. Look for the updated Sync parameter which replaces the Slice Size in version 1.0:

http://1010music.com/bitboxbeta

We look forward to your feedback,

The 1010musc Team
DSC
I just went through the upgrade process and it all seemed to go right, then it restarts asking for me to insert the microSD card and it is already in it? Help Please help
DSC
Yep, tested by re-downloading the same file to make sure it was not a corrupt file. Same result. Just put the old firmware back on and the old firmware works fine.
1010music
DSC,

I am sorry to hear that. We verified it on two different units here. I will look at it again in the morning.
youkon
mine worked normal after updating
vasculator
such a good update. this is incredible at slicing now. i haven't run into any bugs yet. keep up the amazing work.
landmax
vasculator wrote:
such a good update. this is incredible at slicing now. i haven't run into any bugs yet. keep up the amazing work.


+1
DSC
Ok, I kind of have it working. I formatted a new microsd card and just put the new firmware on by itself and it loads properly. I then copied my 10 GB of samples over and now it NO longer works. I then deleted all of my samples, except a few and it works, but it definately does not like a lot of samples for some reason.

How many samples do you guys have on your cards?
DSC
Also when it does load the main screen still shows, the insert your micro sd card screen, but just for a second. It never used to do that either. Not sure if that helps troubleshooting.
Daisuk
DSC wrote:
Ok, I kind of have it working. I formatted a new microsd card and just put the new firmware on by itself and it loads properly. I then copied my 10 GB of samples over and now it NO longer works. I then deleted all of my samples, except a few and it works, but it definately does not like a lot of samples for some reason.

How many samples do you guys have on your cards?


I haven't had the time to try the updated firmware yet, but I have an sd card with lots of samples, and Bitbox takes a lot of time to load them, to the point where there's no real point in having all those samples on the card, so I've just cut back on the amount of samples. Maybe your Bitbox is just taking a long time to load? I remember thinking I had a faulty one as well, when loading an SD card with plenty samples, as it took so long to start up.
DSC
Daisuk wrote:


... but I have an sd card with lots of samples, and Bitbox takes a lot of time to load them, to the point where there's no real point in having all those samples on the card, so I've just cut back on the amount of samples.


I know what you are talking about. But the old firmware does work, you just needed it to give it more time.

On a new firmware note, it looks like I finally did get all my samples on the same microsd card with the new firmware, but it seems kinda sketchy. I will give it a go for a few days and see how it goes. Still flashes the 'load a microsd card' screen on bootup. Can anyone confirm if that is normal or not? Just trying to see if I am losing my mind or not hihi
DSC
Ok, I am having mixed results. I think I have it narrowed to the file count in the root directory. At first I thought it had something to do with folders. I have several folders on my card too, but I have ruled those out. I think if you get past a certain number of files it won't boot. I have not narrowed it down to how many, but there is a limit.
DSC
Quick update,

If you have more than 2000 samples in your root directory, it will boot, after a while. It then will run for a short time and then go back to the boot screen and then maybe it will boot again.

If you use 1900 samples, you are good to go. It will boot and run as normal. Just ignore the 'Please insert microSD card' in the beginning.

The old firmware did not seem to care. Must be something different with the new firmware?
1010music
(edited based on new posts)

DSC, I can believe that having that many files would have an issue. We did make some changes to keep the waveforms running smoothly and that may mean that the file access will be slower.

I'll have someone in the next few days.

Thank you for the additional detail.

Aaron
glassofwater
After using the Bitbox a lot my two main feature requests are:

1. Auditioning of samples while browsing the directory.
2. Folders!

w00t
DSC
glassofwater wrote:
After using the Bitbox a lot my two main feature requests are:

1. Auditioning of samples while browsing the directory.
2. Folders!

w00t


Yes, please folders. I work from a library that contains over 14TB of samples! I have been collecting them since 1996!
Daisuk
glassofwater wrote:
After using the Bitbox a lot my two main feature requests are:

1. Auditioning of samples while browsing the directory.
2. Folders!

w00t


Absolutely both of these. Would be massively useful. smile

I still experience certain slices looping/glitching with the newest firmware even when looping is turned off and when it's set to "trigger".
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
I still experience certain slices looping/glitching with the newest firmware even when looping is turned off and when it's set to "trigger".


Would you please PM me with a sample file or two? I would love to investigate.

Thank you,

Aaron
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I still experience certain slices looping/glitching with the newest firmware even when looping is turned off and when it's set to "trigger".


Would you please PM me with a sample file or two? I would love to investigate.

Thank you,

Aaron


I sent you guys an email with the source sample and an audio clip showing the glitching. smile
Ras Thavas
I'm running into some issues with the latest update. I've converted a batch of old samples into WAVs for use with my BitBox, and many don't play, they just give me an noisy buzz.

More interestingly, deleting the sample and loading another actually gives a weird concatenation of the samples that had been loaded in that slot, playing back chunks of several samples sequentially.

At first I thought it was operator error, sure enough a few of these ancient files were in different audio rates than 44.1 KHz. Using Audacity they've all been converted to 44.1 KHz, and set to the proper speed. Most are less than a few megs in size. Unfortunately after that I'm still experiencing the same issues. I'm using a Lexar 16 GB class 10 microSDHC.

Also, I know 1010 is very busy right now, but some more in depth explanations of how the new syncing options are supposed to work would be very helpful. I had hoped with the update I'd be able to get the BitBox to act like a hardware version of the old Mighty Jungulator software, but it's not happening for me just yet.
Makingsound
Fantastic module !

What i miss now :

- Adding the current cell number top right in the CV window
- Scrubing/scratching audio
- Zoom in/out (waveform)
- A way to adjust slice left or right
- Panoramic for each cell
- Reverse playback and forw/Back
- More pitch range (2000%) <-- it seems to work with CV but can't go under -/+24 in the parameters section
- Recording input volume
- More CV slots (is it possible or fixed by hardware ?)
- CV Matrix
- Resampling
- Internal sequencer

Question : how do you change splice by hand ? I've tried the start function but it does nothing.
Makingsound
MOAR smile

- Drag&drop one cell to another (usefull when differents outputs have been selected in track mode)
- 4 real outputs please ! smile FX1 + FX2 + 1 + 2 (not always 1/2 like it is now)
- Push a cell to reset his value to default

One question : after a recording, when i launch the clip recorded, the volume is lower than the original recording, i must push the volume of the recorded material up to match the volume of the original sound passing thru. Is it possible to change this behavior ? In a live situation it can be a problem.
Montgomery Word
1010- you must look at this thread sometimes and just feel utterly overwhelmed at the wishlists. i'd like to congratulate you on creating one of the best samplers, already.
what you're doing from here on out is just in addition to that statement.

thanks for humoring us, and thanks even more for your new beta firmware!! not to mention fxbox!!!!!!! can't wait. i keep imagining all the possibilities!

Bananallama!
1010music
Hi all,

Thank you for the support and feature requests. It it wonderful having your support. Thanks for understanding that there are so many good ideas here that it would take years to implement them all.

Please know that we are listening and keeping a running wishlist. As you also know, we are working hard to launch new products and address other areas. We will be at the Sync event in Portland in early March. I hope to see you there.

Let me also thank you for the sample files you have provided. We have some fixes in the works.

Take care,

Aaron
Montgomery Word
1010music wrote:


Please know that we are listening and keeping a running wishlist. As you also know, we are working hard to launch new products and address other areas. We will be at the Sync event in Portland in early March. I hope to see you there.


i'll see you there, hopefully! the dudes at control voltage love the bitbox! Rockin' Banana!
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
One question : after a recording, when i launch the clip recorded, the volume is lower than the original recording, i must push the volume of the recorded material up to match the volume of the original sound passing thru. Is it possible to change this behavior ? In a live situation it can be a problem.


Is there a consistent value that you always need to boost? There is an internal compressor on the output which may be getting in your way.
Ras Thavas
Montgomery Word wrote:
1010- you must look at this thread sometimes and just feel utterly overwhelmed at the wishlists. i'd like to congratulate you on creating one of the best samplers, already.
what you're doing from here on out is just in addition to that statement.

thanks for humoring us, and thanks even more for your new beta firmware!! not to mention fxbox!!!!!!! can't wait. i keep imagining all the possibilities!

Bananallama!


I'll double down on this, thx to 1010 for their continued presence here, responsiveness, and willingness to listen to us demand the BitBox be able to, among other things, do our tax forms in the next rev...

For those looking for deeper pitch modulation, the new 1V1Oct pitch input can get pretty crazy depending on what send it.
Montgomery Word
1010- i was just watching your namm video about fxbox, and noticed you said the firmware for it would maybe be available feb 1st! Did that pan out, or is there a new date for it? Don't mean to rush ya, just got hella excited!!!
thanks a lot!
js
Makingsound
1010music wrote:
Is there a consistent value that you always need to boost? There is an internal compressor on the output which may be getting in your way.


This is what i do :

- Sound source into input 1 or 2, the sound is passing thru output 1 and 2
- I launch record
- I stop and launch the loop recorded
- The volume of this loop is always lower than the one passing thru

i expected it to be the same, not a big problem in the studio but in a live situation it could be tricky.

Still, i love the workflow and the potential is huge.
mowgli
I really want to sell my Addac 111 and get this. I use it a lot though.

This seems to be able to do everything plus a lot more?

Any features Im likely to be missing?

Although the updates seem to be incredible on this and theres so much more it can do.

Great work 1010
matttech
Got these bad boys arriving tomorrow wink
1010music
Hello all,

The fxbox beta is now live. Please direct your fxbox related discussion to the new thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176257

Thank you for your support.
Makingsound
(Excellent applause )

Still digging the bitbox, i have some problem with sync :

- I sync the bitbox with an external clock
- I record a first loop with Rec Quant at 1
- I record a second loop with Rec Quant at 1

Then, when i launch those 2 loops with "Quant 1 bar" activated, at first they are in sync but 2 minutes later they begin to desync. Any idea ?

Could you add a reset input somewhere ?
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
Then, when i launch those 2 loops with "Quant 1 bar" activated, at first they are in sync but 2 minutes later they begin to desync. Any idea ?


Please make sure that you also set the Sync control to a meaningful value. Try 1 bar and the loop will be locked in.
thelizard
I'm thinking of joining the Bitbox party. One question I can't find answered in the manual:

In the FXBox videos, I see that there's a useful, simple step sequencer available for each track. Is this available on Bitbox? If not, is it a planned feature?
1010music
thelizard wrote:
In the FXBox videos, I see that there's a useful, simple step sequencer available for each track. Is this available on Bitbox? If not, is it a planned feature?


The step sequencer is not currently available on Bitbox and we haven't announced any plans to add it. I will make sure it is on our wishlist.

Thanks for asking.
tiny333
How do I set the tempo without using an external clock ?

If I am using a tip top circadian rhythm to clock it
Can I just use the clock out ?

Thank you
glassofwater
tiny333 wrote:
How do I set the tempo without using an external clock ?

If I am using a tip top circadian rhythm to clock it
Can I just use the clock out ?

Thank you


Probably? The Bitbox has a Clock in, so. (Never tried it)
1010music
tiny333 wrote:
How do I set the tempo without using an external clock ?

If I am using a tip top circadian rhythm to clock it
Can I just use the clock out ?


The Bitbox clock input was designed for this purpose. We have tried it with several modules--not including the Circadian Rhythm. Bitbox expects 4PPQ or one pulse per 1/16th note step.

To answer your first question, there is no way to set the tempo internally on the Bitbox.
1010music
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Please visit our website for more details:

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tiny333
Ok ... it's just a tad discombobulating that the bit box
Counts up in the upper left and you can't set that speed
And when you send it a clock it jumps to that speed
But when you stop the clock it keeps counting at the other speed.

But I have only had it a day so I'm just getting used to the quirks

The new beta software is wonderful ... waveform display beautiful

It should be noted that the SD CARD needs to be named

NO NAME

coz that's obvious ... lol

( I like to name my cards do I know which is which)

It's a mind blowing modul tho guys

Seeing so much in something so small is just mind blowing
Makingsound
It's wishlist time again smile

- Could you add a dual boot ? It would be easier to go from bitbox to fxbox and vice/versa

> Bitbox expects 4PPQ or one pulse per 1/16th note step.
Would be nice to have an option for x2, x4 and /2, /4

- In a low light situation, the screen is too strong, inverted screen or a way to dim it would be nice (even a screensaver = screen off after 5 minutes if module not use)

- Is there a way to read a slice in one shot mode ? And read the next one ONLY when the "slice sel" CV have been activated ? Right now we can "loop off" but then it's not possible to read another slice after that (i am right ?)

- Delete a sample just recorded we don't want to keep
tiny333
Russian Roulette
Tropic Al
Makingsound wrote:
It's wishlist time again smile

- Could you add a dual boot ? It would be easier to go from bitbox to fxbox and vice/versa

> Bitbox expects 4PPQ or one pulse per 1/16th note step.
Would be nice to have an option for x2, x4 and /2, /4

- In a low light situation, the screen is too strong, inverted screen or a way to dim it would be nice (even a screensaver = screen off after 5 minutes if module not use)

- Is there a way to read a slice in one shot mode ? And read the next one ONLY when the "slice sel" CV have been activated ? Right now we can "loop off" but then it's not possible to read another slice after that (i am right ?)

- Delete a sample just recorded we don't want to keep


Excellent suggestions!
mopoco
Tropic Al wrote:
Makingsound wrote:
It's wishlist time again smile

- Could you add a dual boot ? It would be easier to go from bitbox to fxbox and vice/versa

> Bitbox expects 4PPQ or one pulse per 1/16th note step.
Would be nice to have an option for x2, x4 and /2, /4

- In a low light situation, the screen is too strong, inverted screen or a way to dim it would be nice (even a screensaver = screen off after 5 minutes if module not use)

- Is there a way to read a slice in one shot mode ? And read the next one ONLY when the "slice sel" CV have been activated ? Right now we can "loop off" but then it's not possible to read another slice after that (i am right ?)

- Delete a sample just recorded we don't want to keep


Excellent suggestions!

in deed they are!
Daisuk
Is anyone else having trouble with slice selection at all? If I trigger Bitbox from a 120 bpm beat playing at every quarter note (sent from a Trigger Riot), which also sequences 8 voltages coming out of 2 Pressure Points/Brains - I'm not getting a consistent loop of slices, some slices will drift every now and then (pretty much every other loop on average). Cool for sort of filler material, but not if you want a consistent loop of sound.

Seeing as no one else has written about it on here, it seems a bit like something odd on my end - which is why I'm asking. If anyone else could test this on their Bitbox, I'd be very grateful. smile
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
It's wishlist time again smile


Thanks for the great ideas.

Makingsound wrote:

- Is there a way to read a slice in one shot mode ? And read the next one ONLY when the "slice sel" CV have been activated ? Right now we can "loop off" but then it's not possible to read another slice after that (i am right ?)


I'm not sure I completely understand. If you don't want to trigger, don't send a gate signal. You control when the slices play and with the Slice Inc/Dec modulation you can advance as you like.

What am I missing?
Makingsound
1010music wrote:
What am I missing?


Nothing, i was doing it wrong sorry hihi

New idea of the day : slice can send a trigger/gate <--- like that we can use event inside a loop as a sequencer for something else

Also, in the info section of a loop, would be nice if the "Play" button started the sound at the current position of the pink vertical bar
Nerve
An interesting idea would be the possibility for a sample (or several ones) to send some gates. It is something that the Disting can do in its sampler mode. This way, a sample can be the starting point of a lot of events. The gates could be equally spread along the sample with a chosen number or manually placed like the splices. The best would be the possibility to place several tracks of gates (i.e : identified by colors) to trigger different things. Like this, the Bitbox becomes a trigger sequencer. Nice isn't ?
Nerve
Is it possible to reconfigure the inputs to outputs so we can use some unused inputs to generate the gates ?
Dogma
Pretty set on the er301 - what's the major differences?
akrylik
Dogma wrote:
Pretty set on the er301 - what's the major differences?


Use the search, there is already a thread for that comparison.
Dogma
akrylik wrote:
Dogma wrote:
Pretty set on the er301 - what's the major differences?


Use the search, there is already a thread for that comparison.


Shall do - cheers thumbs up
Makingsound
Main differences right now :

- ER301 is way deeper + more CV/audio input/output + little bit complicated to use at first (learning curve is high), but you will find an equilibrium creating your own preset.

- bitbox is very simple to use, more natural, more intuitive, the touch screen is a breeze and make you work fast : you make music, not menu digging. BUT, at this point (firmware 1.1.0) miss a lot of basics functionnality.

Both modules are great but firmware updates will be the key.
Tropic Al
Makingsound wrote:
Main differences right now :

- ER301 is way deeper + more CV/audio input/output + little bit complicated to use at first (learning curve is high), but you will find an equilibrium creating your own preset.

- bitbox is very simple to use, more natural, more intuitive, the touch screen is a breeze and make you work fast : you make music, not menu digging. BUT, at this point (firmware 1.1.0) miss a lot of basics functionnality.

Both modules are great but firmware updates will be the key.


As an owner of both I definitely agree with those points, although for me I didn't find it difficult to figure out how to use it without any manual, I picked it up quickly just by watching Brian's demo video.
In comparison I used to own an Octatrack and struggled to figure that out and that was with the manual and a guide that someone had put together!

In addition the Bitbox is currently easier to use to slice a sample using the touchscreen and the auto slicing feature, although a big buggy sometimes not letting me place a slice where I want after using the auto feature.

If Aaron can implement a swipe - zoom feature (like on your mobile) that would be killer.

The ER301 currently responds to audio rate modulation of pitch much much better than the Bitbox does, but the Bitbox has an autosaving feature which is a great time saver, and is also currently more stable than the ER301.
I haven't had it crash at all yet, but the ER301 has crashed a few times with the latest firmware, something to consider if you are planning on taking it out to gigs soon, before the stable 'Post Pioneer' addition of the firmware is released.

I do hope that Aaron continues with the development of the firmware as he has done so far.
To increase the options for modulation is much needed for this 'modular' sampler.
As there are only four available inputs for modulation, then being able to assign each of these inputs to multiple destinations is pretty essential I think, and hopefully not too difficult to implement.
Also modulation of level would be nice, a reverse function for each sample would also be great, this effect works well in the FX Box so maybe the code could be added to the Bitbox?
ywwg
I am definitely enjoying the firmware update, thanks! But of course I still have something for the wishlist smile.

Right now I can't preview a sample before I load it in a slot. I have to load a file to listen to it, then go back to the load screen if I want to try another one. IF I'm auditioning samples this is very slow.

Maybe if there's a trigger incoming to a slot while the user is in the load screen, the selected sample should load and play. If there is a short delay while the file access is in progress, that's ok if I'm trying to build a good preset. It would still be faster than jumping in and out of the load menu over and over.
mopoco
ywwg wrote:
I am definitely enjoying the firmware update, thanks! But of course I still have something for the wishlist smile.

Right now I can't preview a sample before I load it in a slot. I have to load a file to listen to it, then go back to the load screen if I want to try another one. IF I'm auditioning samples this is very slow.

Maybe if there's a trigger incoming to a slot while the user is in the load screen, the selected sample should load and play. If there is a short delay while the file access is in progress, that's ok if I'm trying to build a good preset. It would still be faster than jumping in and out of the load menu over and over.


i second that. waah
Tropic Al
there's a small bug with the new firmware - if I am editing a samples slices and triggering it at the same time then the wave display doesn't update to the correct position
Tropic Al
also if I used the autoslice and then try to enter more slices myself it doesn't always let me add them
1010music
Tropic Al wrote:
there's a small bug with the new firmware - if I am editing a samples slices and triggering it at the same time then the wave display doesn't update to the correct position


I am having trouble following you here. Keep in mind that if you scroll the waveform by hand, playback won't automatically move the waveform for about 10 seconds. The reason is to let you continue working manually until you move on to other things.

Is this what you are seeing? If not, could you provide some steps to reproduce the problem?

Thank you,

Aaron
1010music
Tropic Al wrote:
also if I used the autoslice and then try to enter more slices myself it doesn't always let me add them


For performance reasons, the number of slices is currently limited to 128. When using the scan mode, the best first move is to delete the bogus slices making room for ones you want to add.

How long are the clips you are trying to slice? Is there a reasonable max number that would do the job in most cases?
Tropic Al
Hi Aaron

Thanks for replying. Yes that was what I am seeing, I think the gap between when I stop editing and then the waveform catching up again is a bit long?
That's why I thought it was a bug!
Tropic Al
1010music wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
also if I used the autoslice and then try to enter more slices myself it doesn't always let me add them


For performance reasons, the number of slices is currently limited to 128. When using the scan mode, the best first move is to delete the bogus slices making room for ones you want to add.

How long are the clips you are trying to slice? Is there a reasonable max number that would do the job in most cases?


OK that explains it then! I have 128 slices in my sample so that's why i can't add in any more. Its quite a long sample with lots of individual hits
1010music
Let me continue to thank all of you for the support and wishlist features. Yes, we do plan to continue to work on the firmware. That said, it has been my experience that software is never truly done. There are always more cool things that can be added and unfulfilled requests. We will be working hard to make you happy with updates while also working on new products.

I look forward to continuing to work with you.

Aaron
rgcmusic
1010music wrote:
New Sound Set:

Bitbox fans, we have secured the rights to an awesome new sound set. There are 196 samples, including some incredible sound effects and ambience, that feel right at home in electronic music. The sounds were created by audio guru, Nick Peck.

Please visit our website for more details:

http://1010music.com/new-sample-set


Fantastic. this thing is definitely on my wish list. Very nice gap that needed to be filled in Modular. Keep up the good work. we're not worthy
matttech
1010music wrote:
Let me continue to thank all of you for the support and wishlist features. Yes, we do plan to continue to work on the firmware. That said, it has been my experience that software is never truly done. There are always more cool things that can be added and unfulfilled requests. We will be working hard to make you happy with updates while also working on new products.

I look forward to continuing to work with you.

Aaron


That's the spirit! I bet this kind of interaction could get pretty draining if not approached in such a positive mindset thumbs up
thelizard
Mine arrived yesterday! So far, I'm very happy with my decision to replace my drum modules with it.

What's the source of the "Sandman" samples that come with the default sample set?
exper
thelizard wrote:
Mine arrived yesterday! So far, I'm very happy with my decision to replace my drum modules with it.

What's the source of the "Sandman" samples that come with the default sample set?


Really? I'm on the fence still about using this for drum samples. Is there any perceptible latency at all? Instead of adding more pico drums, this could be better...
Tropic Al
exper wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Mine arrived yesterday! So far, I'm very happy with my decision to replace my drum modules with it.

What's the source of the "Sandman" samples that come with the default sample set?


Really? I'm on the fence still about using this for drum samples. Is there any perceptible latency at all? Instead of adding more pico drums, this could be better...


I think its excellent for drums. No noticeable latency for me.
Can get loads of variation by prepping a long chain of samples into one sample, using the excellent auto slicing feature and then stepping through them with a CV.
My only wish was that I could assign a whole row to one of the modulation inputs because four is not enough!
thelizard
exper wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Mine arrived yesterday! So far, I'm very happy with my decision to replace my drum modules with it.

What's the source of the "Sandman" samples that come with the default sample set?


Really? I'm on the fence still about using this for drum samples. Is there any perceptible latency at all? Instead of adding more pico drums, this could be better...


None, as far as I can tell. Even tapping the sample on the screen is instant. I can tap rhythms and not feel like my hands have betrayed me. It also responds really well to the RPT bursts from a Varigate 8+.

Right now, the main issues are primarily organizational (no folders, no audition). As a result, I'm resisting my hoarder urge to load the sucker up with 5,000 samples. Even then, having 40-50 well-curated, pitchable samples in this amount of space (and 16 trigger inputs, no less) is way more flexible than what I was previously working with.
Tropic Al
Its super super tight over midi as well.
I'm using with a Squarp Pyramid and it triggers even on the crazy fast repeats, like this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQYR1nDDFJk/
exper
Thanks for the replies guys. Need to do some planning it seems. smile
thelizard
This makes me so happy. I can shut down my computer while recording now.

Makingsound
Wishlist time again !

Adding a new type of slice : trigger slice. S1 to S16.

EG : Take a loop, add up to 16 slices by hand, then trig each of them by trigger input 1 to 16 = an easy (and fast) way to create a complete drum machine from only one loop.
Groove_Addict
Makingsound wrote:
Wishlist time again !

Adding a new type of slice : trigger slice. S1 to S16.

EG : Take a loop, add up to 16 slices by hand, then trig each of them by trigger input 1 to 16 = an easy (and fast) way to create a complete drum machine from only one loop.


That's what I was thinking , turn it into a kinda ableton drum rack with the ability to reverse , pitch , attack , decay per sample
Tropic Al
What I would really like to see is the option to automatically move from one slice to the other each time a trigger is received per cell.
There could be a couple of different modes - forward / random
This would also free up the 4 modulation inputs for other duties
1010music
thelizard wrote:
What's the source of the "Sandman" samples that come with the default sample set?


The Sandman samples were captured from an Ableton Live instrument by the same name. Specifically, it is included in Ableton Live Suite 9.7.
pauk
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQiQf3EghlC/?taken-by=pauk

i like it applause
mopoco
pauk wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQiQf3EghlC/?taken-by=pauk

i like it applause


very nice indeed we're not worthy
nathanxl
Only shipping to US available on site.
Surely many antipodeans like me will want this.

Shipping to Australia?
1010music
nathanxl wrote:
Shipping to Australia?


Please check with these guys:

http://innovativemusic.com.au

They will soon have stock in Austrailia
matttech
nathanxl wrote:
Only shipping to US available on site.
Surely many antipodeans like me will want this.

Shipping to Australia?


I have it in stock and can ship to Australia thumbs up

(You'll just need to message me to arrange, as website is EU/UK only at present)
nathanxl
matttech wrote:

I have it in stock and can ship to Australia thumbs up

(You'll just need to message me to arrange, as website is EU/UK only at present)


I sent you an email.
Thanks.
Makingsound
Can you explain how the recording work behind the scene ? Is there a compressor activated by default at some point ?

Will you add a way to lower the volume of the incoming audio source before recording ? I clip very fast.
bendedavis


First jam with the fxbox firmware
yalivec
just a first try with a prerecordered samples:


Makingsound
Nice ! I'm also working on an expanded DJ set with the bitbox, but going into each menu to change level is not that great, could you (1010music) add "Lvl" as a CV destination please ?
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
Can you explain how the recording work behind the scene ? Is there a compressor activated by default at some point ?

Will you add a way to lower the volume of the incoming audio source before recording ? I clip very fast.


There is no compressor for the input signal. Please keep in mind that the hardware sets where the clipping happens (+/-5V). Lowering the volume in software won't help the signal if it is already clipped.
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
Nice ! I'm also working on an expanded DJ set with the bitbox, but going into each menu to change level is not that great, could you (1010music) add "Lvl" as a CV destination please ?


It is on our wishlist. Thanks for writing.
Makingsound
1010music wrote:
There is no compressor for the input signal. Please keep in mind that the hardware sets where the clipping happens (+/-5V). Lowering the volume in software won't help the signal if it is already clipped.


Ok i understand why i clipped, the input level meter seems to be blocked at -0.9dB, i was thinking it was below the digital clipping, but if the sound recorded is louder than -0.9dB it doesn't go further than that so i was totaly in the red, you should make it red when clipping occurs, and i will add att before hihi

Also, grey text blend sometimes with grey waveform.
Makingsound
Wishlist again :

- A way to record without monitoring, or a resampling function
- Right now the clock expect a pulse, a way to add also gates (some sequencer don't send pulse as output) ?
davide3737
I've just got my Bitbox and I'm loving it. One question, though: what's the point of the counter in the top LH corner of the screen? It's a little strange seeing it count ever upward, regardless of whether there's a clock input or the actual tempo.
1010music
davide3737 wrote:
One question, though: what's the point of the counter in the top LH corner of the screen? It's a little strange seeing it count ever upward, regardless of whether there's a clock input or the actual tempo.


This is the internal beat clock, which continues to run because various things use it. Examples include the quantization and sync functions.
pauk
i know it's been said before,
but we have to say it, we need folders thumbs up
prelistening would be great as well
i can wait for the rest of features but these ones are a must right now
i have a mess on my 8gb sd very frustrating

anyways, thanks Aaron for your work
glassofwater
I'm kinda mad at how good the Fxbox firmware is, cus it's kinda everything I want in a multifx box and now I need to buy another Bitbox!

hmmm..... hihi
tiny333
If I take the sd card out plug it into my computer
And add another sample then put it back in the bit box
How do I make the bitbox (so awesome) see the 'new' card ?

sad banana
poppinger
It's not seeing it? For me it just shows up after I put the card in.
1010music
tiny333 wrote:
If I take the sd card out plug it into my computer
And add another sample then put it back in the bit box
How do I make the bitbox (so awesome) see the 'new' card ?


Try loading a preset. This action will force the unit to refresh the file system.
cityz3n
Really thinking about getting this.
Mainly for live sampling/looping.

Maybe this could be a Root directory fix:
-1a sample name
-1b sample name
-1c sample name
-1...
-2a sample name
-2b sample name
-2...

This would work for me as I would use it only for sampling with the bitbox.
And not importing gigabytes of sounds from the computer.
tiny333
1010music wrote:
tiny333 wrote:
If I take the sd card out plug it into my computer
And add another sample then put it back in the bit box
How do I make the bitbox (so awesome) see the 'new' card ?


Try loading a preset. This action will force the unit to refresh the file system.



Thank you that's perfect smile
cityz3n
I read the manual of the bitbox without owning one.
And it seems you can only record a sample by touching the on screen rec button.
So no trigger for recording?
lrclazer
yalivec wrote:
just a first try with a prerecordered samples:




Great demo - thank you! It seems like at times you struggle with the responsiveness of the touch screen.

Has that been an issue for anyone or just something you need be to more deliberate about?
dash80
This looks like what I've needed in my rack from day 1.

Snagged a used one this morning at Control for $500 love
Multi Grooves
Had a little play with the FX box and it is fun. Something about the reverb algo felt a tiny bit off though. I forget the the name of the editable in the top right but I had to be sparse with its use to get what I felt sounded "right" (whatever that is). But it is so much fun. I kept FXmode for just one evening for sample processing before going back to the newer regular firmware. As mentioned, it'd be great if you could switch firmwares via those on the card.

I spent even less time with 1.1.0 but when you have a sample loaded up and you mess with the start position or the length it would be great to see the effect on the waveform as you turn the knobs.
thebrotherspus
hi,
so i'm not smart.....

how do i update the firmware? i downloaded the new file and unzipped it which creates a .bin file. i replaced the old file with this new one on the micro sd card, but when i start the bitbox, it still says it's using the old firmware.

when i try to open the .bin file, it creates a .cpgz file... and when i try to open this file, it creates a .bin file again.

any help would be greatly appreciated. i'm really looking forward to trying out the new functionality.

thanks!
thebrotherspus
Oops.....
1010 just sent me a link to detailed instructions on how to install the firmware.... don't know I why I couldn't find it on the site before, haha oops
thebrotherspus
okay, i know i'm a bit late to the party with this new firmware, but wow it's great!
the new slicing functions and v/oct pitch tracking is very fun.



i'll echo what others have said that folders, sample preview, and reverse would be fantastic. nevertheless, this is one fantastic module!
cyclopeatron
Several pages back I saw someone asking about MIDI velocity sensitivity and Cirklon compatibility. These questions were never resolved as far as my skimming revealed.

Does BitBox support MIDI velocity?

Is MIDI control by a Cirklon straightforward?

I am looking for a Eurorack option to replace my MPC without giving up velocity control for sample playback.
1010music
cyclopeatron wrote:
Several pages back I saw someone asking about MIDI velocity sensitivity and Cirklon compatibility. These questions were never resolved as far as my skimming revealed.

Does BitBox support MIDI velocity?

Is MIDI control by a Cirklon straightforward?

I am looking for a Eurorack option to replace my MPC without giving up velocity control for sample playback.


Sorry to disappoint you: Bitbox does not support MIDI velocity as of firmware version 1.2. Also, I believe there is an issue with running status from Cirklon not working with Bitbox.

Rest assured we have this stuff on our todo list.

Thanks for your interest.
1010music
Dear all version 1.2 of Bitbox is now available:

http://1010music.com/bitbox-firmware-1-2

The new features include folder support and record monitoring options.

Thank you for your support.

The 1010music Team
DSC
WOW!!!! Now this was very useful and helpful. Zippy, quick and fun! No sleep tonight!
cityz3n
I have one on the way...
I know what to do when it arrives.

Amazing guys!

Clap Clap Clap applause Clap Clap Clap

Thanks!

Also got a reply that they added 'trigger record' to the wishlist.
thelizard
Glorious! Now I can load up the SD card with reckless abandon.

Before I start copying everything over: What's the maximum folder depth? Any limit on the number of files per folder?
1010music
thelizard wrote:
Before I start copying everything over: What's the maximum folder depth? Any limit on the number of files per folder?



There is a 64 character limit on the complete filename + path. So keep an eye on the length of the names and folders.

I'm not aware of any other hard limits. In our testing, we used several thousand files and accessing the list was noticeably slower. For example, drilling into a directory might take a couple of seconds. Don't go too crazy smile
glassofwater
YESSSSS!
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Dear all version 1.2 of Bitbox is now available:

http://1010music.com/bitbox-firmware-1-2

The new features include folder support and record monitoring options.

Thank you for your support.

The 1010music Team


Fuck yes, awesome! applause
cyclopeatron
1010music wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you: Bitbox does not support MIDI velocity as of firmware version 1.2. Also, I believe there is an issue with running status from Cirklon not working with Bitbox.

Rest assured we have this stuff on our todo list.


I admit that I am a bit disappointed. But I am glad to hear 1010 is taking this seriously.

MIDI is one thing that dramatically sets this unit apart from other competing units like the ER-301. It would make sense to exploit this as fully as possible to make the BitBox go places the ER-301 could never go. Nuanced velocity control would be amazing, especially for making beats.
Makingsound
Thanks a lot ! applause

And the level of recorded sounds have been corrected, now it perfectly match the original sound \o/

Some comments :

- When all slots are used, it's not possible to turn monitoring off anymore because we can't access the menu without deleting a slot
- With Rec Mon on AUTO, after stopping the recording, the sample should be played automaticly
- Monitoring level is still wrong at -0.9dB, it doesn't show when it's too hot (and start to compress the sound i suppose)
- Folders should be listed first with a different color than sound file
- I'm affraid we need more presets smile WAY more presets... i fill a preset in 3 minutes ahah, so much things to do !

Next please :
- Cue/Monitor sample <--- adding an option to cue sample from another output will make it perfect for DJing/live
- Scrolling the sample list with finger
- Delete sample from card + Delete the last recorded sound (without searching for it)

Not urgent but usefull :
- Play a sound from anywhere in the waveform, right now it's always from the start although it is possible to scroll the waveform
- Adding an option to add a little reverb trail after stopping a sound to smooth transitions
Makingsound
About folder, how it will be handle for projects ? Can we have one folder per preset ? It would be easier to find recorded stuff when transfering files into a computer.

Also, we will maybe need to be able to create a new folder (or a new preset) when starting a new recording session
thelizard
Makingsound wrote:


Next please :
- Cue/Monitor sample <--- adding an option to cue sample from another output will make it perfect for DJing/live

Not urgent but usefull :
- Play a sound from anywhere in the waveform, right now it's always from the start although it is possible to scroll the waveform


For sample monitoring, you can set a sample to output through the FX outputs instead of the main outputs.

You can change the start point of the sample on the sample info screen (hit the INFO button after selecting a sample... you can select a sample by tapping it, or select it using the knobs to select it without starting playback). On the INFO screen, you can find the Start parameter (you may need to hit INFO twice as it switches between two pages of parameters).

If you select one of the empty modulation slots at the end of each row, you can attach Start modulation to any sample. That way, you can change the Start via CV instead of turning the knob. You can also add Slice Markers, meaning that you can jump to specific start points instead of wandering around with the Start parameters.
nathanxl
Anyone know if I can set up sample playback so that only one cell plays at a time? Rather than touching them a second time to stop, have them turn off automatically when a new one is touched to start...
thelizard
nathanxl wrote:
Anyone know if I can set up sample playback so that only one cell plays at a time? Rather than touching them a second time to stop, have them turn off automatically when a new one is touched to start...


Yep! Check out Page 8 in the manual, "Working With Tracks":
http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BitboxUsersManual.pdf

Essentially, you can set a group of samples on a Track to "Exclusive" mode. Each Track is four samples, so I'm not sure if you can do all 16 samples as exclusive.
Tropic Al
cyclopeatron wrote:
1010music wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you: Bitbox does not support MIDI velocity as of firmware version 1.2. Also, I believe there is an issue with running status from Cirklon not working with Bitbox.

Rest assured we have this stuff on our todo list.


I admit that I am a bit disappointed. But I am glad to hear 1010 is taking this seriously.

MIDI is one thing that dramatically sets this unit apart from other competing units like the ER-301. It would make sense to exploit this as fully as possible to make the BitBox go places the ER-301 could never go. Nuanced velocity control would be amazing, especially for making beats.


This is very true! To add velocity to the Bitbox would be a great addition
actionmusic2
thanks for the new firmware, great!

1: Please can we have sample preview in the load screen, a new corner touch screen button to press and hear what is selected and about to be loaded

2: Anyway we can map one mod controller to multiple sample slots? or use unused trigger inputs as additional mods?

3: Anyway we can have output per box and not per track? also split output 1 and 2 to monos separately?



great module!


4: edit ! in the slice mode would be great to have the "next slice" have another option to trigger without a gate present at square slot input but with just any change in CV value, only because the next CV value could be controlled by a non gate generating source, i.e. LFO, or we might want to control without sending trig input each time ......
Makingsound
thelizard wrote:
For sample monitoring, you can set a sample to output through the FX outputs instead of the main outputs.


If you do that it's not monitoring anymore, you are just setting the output of a cell.

thelizard wrote:
You can change the start point of the sample [...]


But then you are "blind", in a live situation, the easiest way to do that is to scroll the waveform with the finger, place the vertical bar just before the part you want to play, and hit play.
thebrotherspus
actionmusic2 wrote:
.....use unused trigger inputs as additional mods?......


This would be really cool if possible!
casinoaddict
I'm in the process of putting together a live set for some shows. Pulled the trigger on one of these last week and I can see already it's a total game changer. Had a first play just now - it's so intuitive and well thought out. Can't wait to have it fully loaded up with stuff. Big up 1010 Music.
Makingsound
There is some strange bugs with the new firmware, just after recording a sound, sometimes, the recording doesn't start or the waveform doesn't show, i need to load the preset again to be able to ear what i have recorded (and see the waveform)

Tested with monitor ON and AUTO
cityz3n
casinoaddict wrote:
I'm in the process of putting together a live set for some shows. Pulled the trigger on one of these last week and I can see already it's a total game changer. Had a first play just now - it's so intuitive and well thought out. Can't wait to have it fully loaded up with stuff. Big up 1010 Music.


Totally!

Received mine.
Love the clean sound and the intuivity of the whole module.
I plugged it in and could start recording and patching straight away.

proposals for the wishlist:
-measures counts instead of seconds while recording.
-trigger record and stop (already on the wishlist)

That way I could use it live as a looper with a guitar.
casinoaddict
Sorry if I have missed this in either the manual or this thread, but is it possible to set playback of a sample so instead of ending (ie one shot) or looping the entire sample, it can loop a specified section (ie a couple of bars) at the end of the sample once it has played through? This would be super handy.
noisejockey
1010Music, you guys are killin' it. Fantastic work. This may be the most intuitive screen-based music device I've ever used. The decisions you made to keep things simple pay off in immediacy big time. Digging update 1.2. Has me looking askance at my Octatrack.

Do you have a complete firmware update/change list somewhere, or even an archive of past firmwares in case new ones have issues? Or is that incumbent upon the user to do?

I agree with a past statement that a completely flexible jack field - trigger or modulator - would be flat-out game changing. Having only four modulators is rough, but of course one just needs to build complexity into samples as a "workaround." Even if not doable on this module, a future idea that'd be sick, sick, sick.

Having a hard time sleeping right now... eek!
noisejockey
casinoaddict wrote:
Sorry if I have missed this in either the manual or this thread, but is it possible to set playback of a sample so instead of ending (ie one shot) or looping the entire sample, it can loop a specified section (ie a couple of bars) at the end of the sample once it has played through? This would be super handy.


AFAICT, there is sample start and sample length, period. Looping happens between those two.
casinoaddict
noisejockey wrote:
casinoaddict wrote:
Sorry if I have missed this in either the manual or this thread, but is it possible to set playback of a sample so instead of ending (ie one shot) or looping the entire sample, it can loop a specified section (ie a couple of bars) at the end of the sample once it has played through? This would be super handy.


AFAICT, there is sample start and sample length, period. Looping happens between those two.


Thought that was the case. Guess this is my contribution to the ever-growing wishlist then!
casinoaddict
It's just the way I've got use to working when performing with Ableton - ie playing a long clip/track but setting a loop point set near the end, so once the main section of the track has played out, you can jam with/mush into oblivion a nice loop of a few bars without the clip stopping or retriggering. Could be a handy feature.
sonicmayhem
BTW - Ive used the Bitbox during our Doom/Quake live performance back at the Game Award show in December. I've used it to trigger all kinds of samples and fx. It worked like a charm.





You can see the performance here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a9E3n_VZRQ[/img]
dash80
sonicmayhem wrote:
BTW - Ive used the Bitbox during our Doom/Quake live performance back at the Game Award show in December. I've used it to trigger all kinds of samples and fx. It worked like a charm.

You can see the performance here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a9E3n_VZRQ[/img]


Woah...

Wasn't expecting that kind of music with the modular, but Bananallama!
sonicmayhem
Actually all of the functionality is perfect for live playing. I triggered the samples via Make noise Pressure points gates outputs. The samplers output went into the rainmaker and so on. All ended up in Elektrons HEAT and from there to the house system. It worked great because I had play lead synth lines so the trigger of samples had to be simple. It really worked like a charm...


dash80 wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
BTW - Ive used the Bitbox during our Doom/Quake live performance back at the Game Award show in December. I've used it to trigger all kinds of samples and fx. It worked like a charm.

You can see the performance here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a9E3n_VZRQ[/img]


Woah...

Wasn't expecting that kind of music with the modular, but Bananallama!
dash80
Looked like a lot of fun to play and it sounded amazing! Well done.
Montgomery Word
hey just thought i'd share my bitbox + varigate 8+ liveset from the other night.
i chopped up 16 different found objects, kids toys, triangles, etc. into the bitbox, and used those sounds the whole set.... enjoy!

lifelike family abstracted, 3.04.17 (portland, OR)

[s]http://soundcloud.com/disxiple/abstracted-liveset-30417-lifelyke-fa m[/s]
sonicmayhem
Thank you! The video doesnt do the sound justice. On site it sounded amazing...

dash80 wrote:
Looked like a lot of fun to play and it sounded amazing! Well done.
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
Thanks a lot ! Some comments :


Thanks for the detailed suggestions. They are now on the wishlist.
1010music
actionmusic2 wrote:
thanks for the new firmware, great!

[snip]

4: edit ! in the slice mode would be great to have the "next slice" have another option to trigger without a gate present at square slot input but with just any change in CV value, only because the next CV value could be controlled by a non gate generating source, i.e. LFO, or we might want to control without sending trig input each time ......


Thanks for the the first three suggestions. I understand them and noted them.

Could you help me with number 4? I'm not understanding it.

Thank you very much.
1010music
casinoaddict wrote:
It's just the way I've got use to working when performing with Ableton - ie playing a long clip/track but setting a loop point set near the end, so once the main section of the track has played out, you can jam with/mush into oblivion a nice loop of a few bars without the clip stopping or retriggering. Could be a handy feature.


Thanks for bringing this up. We will keep it in mind.
1010music
sonicmayhem wrote:
BTW - Ive used the Bitbox during our Doom/Quake live performance back at the Game Award show in December. I've used it to trigger all kinds of samples and fx. It worked like a charm.


Thanks for sharing that performance. It was awesome to see guitar players and synthesists working together.
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey just thought i'd share my bitbox + varigate 8+ liveset from the other night.
i chopped up 16 different found objects, kids toys, triangles, etc. into the bitbox, and used those sounds the whole set.... enjoy!


I'm sorry we missed each other in Portland. Thanks for the link.
thebrotherspus
hi,
i'm having a weird problem with the most recent firmware and was just wondering if anyone else has encountered this or if it's just me.
i'm finding that any sample i load into slot 1,3 always plays at an extremely slow pitch (or speed), even though it's set to play normally. it does this in every preset, and it doesn't matter what sample i load into that spot. i can load the same sample in any other slot and it plays normally.

anyone have any ideas what could be causing this?
tiny333
No modulation hidden away set to 1.3 ?
thebrotherspus
tiny333 wrote:
No modulation hidden away set to 1.3 ?

yep, you were right.
i didn't technically have any modulation patched, but inadvertently had 1,3 set to v/oct, so as one would expect, it was automatically set to the lowest pitch.
thanks for the help!
thebrotherspus
I'm just curious if there's any way for bitbox to be the master clock.
Like if I had a sample looping and I wanted it to output a trigger on the loop point so that I could start building my patch from there. Maybe the trigger output could come from one of the fx outs?

I haven't had much free time to use my bitbox yet, so maybe it can already do this somehow... Not sure.

Thanks!
Ras Thavas
thebrotherspus wrote:
I'm just curious if there's any way for bitbox to be the master clock.
Like if I had a sample looping and I wanted it to output a trigger on the loop point so that I could start building my patch from there. Maybe the trigger output could come from one of the fx outs?

I haven't had much free time to use my bitbox yet, so maybe it can already do this somehow... Not sure.

Thanks!


Use a sample slot the same length as the sample you want to be "master", and record a pulse at the loop point you want the trigger. Route to an FX out. Might be easier to prepare in a DAW or in Audacity then on the Bitbox...

If recording a trigger doesn't work this way, record a noise modulated high freq saw thru a vca with an immediate attack/decay time, and use an envelope follower to derive the trigger from that. Route to an FX out.

I'll bet one of these directions will work, but it is a bit of a kludge...
thebrotherspus
Ras Thavas wrote:
thebrotherspus wrote:
I'm just curious if there's any way for bitbox to be the master clock.
Like if I had a sample looping and I wanted it to output a trigger on the loop point so that I could start building my patch from there. Maybe the trigger output could come from one of the fx outs?

I haven't had much free time to use my bitbox yet, so maybe it can already do this somehow... Not sure.

Thanks!


Use a sample slot the same length as the sample you want to be "master", and record a pulse at the loop point you want the trigger. Route to an FX out. Might be easier to prepare in a DAW or in Audacity then on the Bitbox...

If recording a trigger doesn't work this way, record a noise modulated high freq saw thru a vca with an immediate attack/decay time, and use an envelope follower to derive the trigger from that. Route to an FX out.

I'll bet one of these directions will work, but it is a bit of a kludge...


That's an interesting workaround. I'll have to give it a try when I get some time. Thanks for the idea! thumbs up


It would definitely be a nice feature (for me anyway) if there were an option for bitbox to output a trigger at loop points when samples are in loop mode... maybe in a future firmware update? Mr. Green
makz
Hi, I got the bitbox a few days ago and I am having a great time. I was however surprised that we are limited to "fixed outputs" : 1-2 being inevitably a stereo output and fx1 & fx2 being only mono.
I had planned to use fx1 fx2 as a stereo pair and di some ableton planing with this configuration before getting the bitbox, and I am a bit disappointed to have 4 outputs but yet only one way to set them up (one stereo pair and 2 monos...=)
Is it planned somewhere to evolve in a future update ?
digidandy
Considering buying a bitbox, but just a really stupid question: Can the same sample be assigned to several slots at the same time?

So that I can make various combinations of the sample for each slot (different pitch, different start time, length etc.)?
Montgomery Word
digidandy wrote:
Considering buying a bitbox, but just a really stupid question: Can the same sample be assigned to several slots at the same time?

So that I can make various combinations of the sample for each slot (different pitch, different start time, length etc.)?


yes!
Kytopia
hovering my mouse over the "add to cart" button right now, got quite a few ideas with this one. but yeah, a breakout for multiple outs would be awesome.
gein
Kytopia wrote:
hovering my mouse over the "add to cart" button right now, got quite a few ideas with this one. but yeah, a breakout for multiple outs would be awesome.


I think you won't regret it, the ease of use makes it ideal for live use. And the fxbox is a nice bonus. You can try mine if you want..
cityz3n
vasculator wrote:
it would be nice if there was an icon or number that could be displayed for each track on the main screen so you know what output they are set to without going to the Tracks menu. even one or two separate pixels as quick indicators might work and would help when repatching.


+1

After a few weeks of using it, loving it!
I'm still learning how everything works.

I find myself using the lowest left rotary pot a lot.
It has a great smooth feel to it.
I'm using it a lot to change the pitch like with a VCO.
Works great!
Ras Thavas
cityz3n wrote:
vasculator wrote:
it would be nice if there was an icon or number that could be displayed for each track on the main screen so you know what output they are set to without going to the Tracks menu. even one or two separate pixels as quick indicators might work and would help when repatching.


+1


+2
Purveyor2
Having a little issue sampling... upon playback of a 1.5-2 bar phrase the sample is blank for a section in the middle. Audio comes back in at the end. Audio levels remained pretty high the entire recording. Seems like a quantized cut out. I sampled a long loop without issue earlier today, now I'm getting this glitch. Running firmware 1.2, any thoughts?
Purveyor2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a9E3n_VZRQ[/img]

BTW that ^ is awesome.
Purveyor2
Having a little issue sampling... upon playback of a 1.5-2 bar phrase the sample is blank for a section in the middle. Audio comes back in at the end. Audio levels remained pretty high the entire recording. Seems like a quantized cut out. I sampled a long loop without issue earlier today, now I'm getting this glitch. Running firmware 1.2, any thoughts?
cityz3n
Purveyor2 wrote:
Having a little issue sampling... upon playback of a 1.5-2 bar phrase the sample is blank for a section in the middle. Audio comes back in at the end. Audio levels remained pretty high the entire recording. Seems like a quantized cut out. I sampled a long loop without issue earlier today, now I'm getting this glitch. Running firmware 1.2, any thoughts?


Had the same thing happening to me last week.
I mailed 1010music about it.

But I changed to a new preset and than it seems to work perfect.
I wonder if it had to do with cv controls mapped somehow.
That's the only difference I can think of.
cityz3n
Oh yeah...
And when you delete the sample with blank section.
You can import it from the sd card again and than it's there complete.
Purveyor2
Cool I'll try that.
Dusty Patches
I have also experienced the same issue with audio dropping out during quantized recording. I'm on the latest firmware. Will be glad to see this addressed but still getting a lot of use out of it as a drum machine.
1010music
Regarding audio dropouts, I am not able to reproduce this problem. What are you doing at the same time with the Bitbox? Does the waveform also show the dropout?

I appreciate any clues you have to offer.

Thank you
1010music
Also, please make sure you have the current version, which is 1.2.1. It can be found here:

http://1010music.com/downloads
Purveyor2
I have mine hooked up via trs to beat step pro. It was triggering some samples and playing a synth drone which I sampled. Quantized recording, tried various settings but reproduced glitch each time. The waveform is visibly gone when the audio drops as well. I'll make sure I've get the latest os, if it happens again I'll take some video for you.
1010music
Purveyor2 wrote:
I have mine hooked up via trs to beat step pro. It was triggering some samples and playing a synth drone which I sampled. Quantized recording, tried various settings but reproduced glitch each time. The waveform is visibly gone when the audio drops as well. I'll make sure I've get the latest os, if it happens again I'll take some video for you.


Could you please also confirm that you can delete and reload the recording, then it is complete? This helpful in tracking down the problem. Thank you.
Purveyor2
Quick session this afternoon with no issues.
1010music
Here are some factors that could be an issue with recording:

1) How many files are on the microSD card? If the answer is many thousands, that could be part of the problem.
2) Have you tried to clean up the file system on the microSD card? On Mac, try running Disk Utility and use the First Aid option. On Windows, I think it is called CleanUp.
3) How big are the other files you are playing at the same time? If there are more than 4 playing that are also coming directly from the microSD card, because of their size, that could be a problem.

Please let us know what you find.

Thank you,

Aaron
Purveyor2
1010music wrote:
Purveyor2 wrote:
I have mine hooked up via trs to beat step pro. It was triggering some samples and playing a synth drone which I sampled. Quantized recording, tried various settings but reproduced glitch each time. The waveform is visibly gone when the audio drops as well. I'll make sure I've get the latest os, if it happens again I'll take some video for you.


Could you please also confirm that you can delete and reload the recording, then it is complete? This helpful in tracking down the problem. Thank you.


It did occur again, while only playing back kick, snare, hats. Deleted and reloaded new sample and it was perfect. My SD card has the full library from you guys and one more folder with a bunch of drum samples I've collected - no more than 500.
cityz3n
1010music wrote:
Here are some factors that could be an issue with recording:

1) How many files are on the microSD card? If the answer is many thousands, that could be part of the problem.
2) Have you tried to clean up the file system on the microSD card? On Mac, try running Disk Utility and use the First Aid option. On Windows, I think it is called CleanUp.
3) How big are the other files you are playing at the same time? If there are more than 4 playing that are also coming directly from the microSD card, because of their size, that could be a problem.


Probably a stupid question.
But how do you tell if sounds are playing from sd card or from within the bitbox?
I didn't find any conclusive answer in the manual.
glassofwater
cityz3n wrote:
1010music wrote:
Here are some factors that could be an issue with recording:

1) How many files are on the microSD card? If the answer is many thousands, that could be part of the problem.
2) Have you tried to clean up the file system on the microSD card? On Mac, try running Disk Utility and use the First Aid option. On Windows, I think it is called CleanUp.
3) How big are the other files you are playing at the same time? If there are more than 4 playing that are also coming directly from the microSD card, because of their size, that could be a problem.


Probably a stupid question.
But how do you tell if sounds are playing from sd card or from within the bitbox?
I didn't find any conclusive answer in the manual.


I thought they were all playing straight from the SD-card, but maybe not?
1010music
cityz3n wrote:
Probably a stupid question.
But how do you tell if sounds are playing from sd card or from within the bitbox?


That is not a stupid question. The samples are cached in internal RAM. In general, samples less that a few seconds are playing from RAM. Stuff longer than that is read from microSD on the fly.

Thanks all for the information. Let me see what we can find.
cityz3n
1010music wrote:
cityz3n wrote:
Probably a stupid question.
But how do you tell if sounds are playing from sd card or from within the bitbox?


That is not a stupid question. The samples are cached in internal RAM. In general, samples less that a few seconds are playing from RAM. Stuff longer than that is read from microSD on the fly.


Ok. So it is not something you could split up yourself?
Could we tell somehow if a sample is short enough to get it in the internal memory?
1010music
Could I ask those of you who have seen the recording issue to check if there are any modulators affecting the cell used for recording? I have tried a number of things and still don't see what you are seeing.

cityz3n wrote:
Ok. So it is not something you could split up yourself?
Could we tell somehow if a sample is short enough to get it in the internal memory?


Ideally, the caching works flawlessly and you never have to worry about it. I only bring it up to try and track down the problem.

Thank you.
cityz3n
1010music wrote:
Could I ask those of you who have seen the recording issue to check if there are any modulators affecting the cell used for recording? I have tried a number of things and still don't see what you are seeing.

cityz3n wrote:
Ok. So it is not something you could split up yourself?
Could we tell somehow if a sample is short enough to get it in the internal memory?


Ideally, the caching works flawlessly and you never have to worry about it. I only bring it up to try and track down the problem.


I meant in general (not only to track down the problem), how would it work if I have, let's say, more than 4 samples of more than 10 seconds that I would want to play at the same time?

I'm referring to this:
Playback of up to 16 simultaneous samples from internal memory or up to 4 samples directly from microSD
Dusty Patches
Unpatched my modular today, so I had time to do some testing with the Bitbox again today. So far I haven't been able to reproduce the problem. I am syncing clock with the BSP and using quantized recording. It's been going without a hitch. So that's good. Wish I had taken video or at least some notes of the time I encountered it before.

Aaron also sent me a beta firmware earlier today that should help, though I haven't installed it yet because I have been trying to reproduce the issue.
papx
Bought this module today.. nothing short of extraordinary! The quantised looping capabilities are worth it alone.... enables you to really build up a performance easily and intuitively.

Only real feedback I have for now is it would be great if you could trigger sample looping on/off as part of the mod params. And in addition to that... if some basic features from fxbox could be included as part of the sampler firmware.

Which is to say, at the least some basic sampler type stuff... such as filter and bit crushing. Because even if I had another one of these running fxbox, I'd still not be able to apply fx on a per sample basis like I'd like to do now.

Byt yeh - very serious bit of kit!!
cyclopeatron
I think BitBox may not be fully MIDI compliant.

It does not appear to implement Running Status as required by MIDI protocol. Therefore it won't work with a lot of the better quality hardware sequencers (e.g. P3, Cirklon, Octatrack, maybe MPC, maybe machinedrum) that use Running Status for high data flow and tight timing.

Can anyone confirm this?

I am feeling pretty unhappy right now because I bought a BitBox a few weeks ago understanding it was fully MIDI compatible. If these things are not fully MIDI they should prioritize a fix.
1010music
I can confirm that Bitbox does not support MIDI running status as of firmware version 1.2.1.

The one piece of hardware that keeps coming up in this respect is the Cirklon. What are you using?

This shortcoming is on our todo list. Thank you for your patience.
pauk
hi there,
i'm having some issues using the midi input, it is losing some triggers.
maybe somthing related to the note offs messages? do you know the best way of doing it? i'm sending messages form a m4l seq controlled by a monome.
is it supposed to do polyphony thru the midi in? because it's not working either

cheers
cyclopeatron
pauk wrote:
hi there,
i'm having some issues using the midi input, it is losing some triggers.
maybe somthing related to the note offs messages? do you know the best way of doing it? i'm sending messages form a m4l seq controlled by a monome.
is it supposed to do polyphony thru the midi in? because it's not working either

cheers


I'm guessing this is related to the same problem I am having with my sequencer where the BitBox doesn't properly process note on and off. The manufacturer admitted a few messages ago that MIDI running status is not implemented to protocol standards.

I am becoming more angry about this. I paid $600 for this thing understanding that it is MIDI compatible, then the manufacturer admits in a forum that it isn't really. I knew a priori that BitBox doesn't yet handle velocity, etc., but I didn't realize it has more fundamental problems. BitBox will apparently only work with a subset of cheap sequencers like BSP, USB sequencers that don't use running status, or DAWs where you can disable running status. So Elektron, Sequentix, Logic, (maybe m4l?), etc. won't work.

I am trying to decide what to do - if I should wait for a fix or contact my vendor to ask for a refund while I still can. I have seen on other forums where users in the same position have had to return their BitBoxes.

I feel like this is kind of crossing the line into false advertising. The manufacturer knows this module isn't fully MIDI compatible, but still advertises it as such on their website. MIDI is what really differentiates this module from something like the ER-301 and was the major selling point for me. At least 1010 could be up front and post a list of devices it won't work with... or just fix the problem...

1010music wrote:
I can confirm that Bitbox does not support MIDI running status as of firmware version 1.2.1.

The one piece of hardware that keeps coming up in this respect is the Cirklon. What are you using?

This shortcoming is on our todo list. Thank you for your patience.


I use Cirklon primarily, but also MPC 1000. However a lot of other sequencers also use note on/off running status (like Octatrack and Logic) and they will also have the same problem. I'm feeling a bit upset right now, but I really do want to love the BitBox, so I hope you'll address this soon!
Sandrine
It's not a super simple thing dealing with running status, but always falls within predictable parameters. I sold many "MIDIfix" boards for the Akai MPX8 which they refused to fix or update over the past 2 years.
It was always "we'll past this on to our techs" then nothing.

At least you guys have the opportunity to do a 1 on 1 with the designer, so have some patience. It's not a big hurdle and I'm sure it'll be fixed soon enough. If a huge company like Akai Professional can overlook it....

Tip for 1010 Music:
Running status is obvious, but you must also be aware that some MIDI equipment sends "embedded" F8's (i.e. some Korg keyboards) that can be right in the middle of a sentence! Even a running status sentence.

I assume this nearly unknown specification is an attempt to keep clocks as precise as possible on the part of Korg.

Just a heads up!
cyclopeatron
Sandrine wrote:
I sold many "MIDIfix" boards for the Akai MPX8 which they refused to fix or update over the past 2 years. It was always "we'll past this on to our techs" then nothing.


Funny - I was also looking at the MPX8 when I decided to spring the extra money for a BitBox. I saw the websites about the MPX8 MIDI compliance problems, but I didn't expect the BitBox to have the same problem.

I asked on the Sequentix Forums about about disabling running status so I can use BitBox and they had a pretty strong response, which I guess I kind of agree with:

sequentix wrote:
If a device doesn't support running status, it is not a MIDI device.
It is part of the standard, and has been since day one.
If I start making changes to support non-standard devices, there is potentially no end to the effort I need to put in to support someone else's half-arsed coding job.
If they can't even be bothered to meet the basic requirements of the MIDI spec, can you expect them to fix any other functional issues that may come up ?


Because of their quick responses on this forum I do believe 1010music is working hard to keep improving the BitBox. But I am still not convinced they are prioritizing these fundamental MIDI protocol problems. Based on browsing around various forums they seem to have known about the note on/off problems since early January, but they still haven't done anything about it. I know they are working very hard on many things, and a lot of people are asking for improvements like file folders and sample reversing... but I spent $600 on this module and it doesn't even do proper MIDI. I'd really encourage 1010music to work on the basic functionality before focusing on bells and whistles.
1010music
I know some of the people who currently maintain the MIDI standard and they shudder when you mention running status. Yes, it has been in there since the beginning and it is one of those things where the devil is in the detail.

Someone sent me some source code saying, running status is easy to implement for the receiver--it's only two lines of code.

Then I reviewed the MIDI standard and saw this logic diagram:



That's not two lines of code. It also seems like a lot of special cases to test and validate against.

If someone can specify the key pieces of gear to test against, I would be grateful. We have our work cut out for us.

Thank you for your support.
Tropic Al
Just to give another side to this, I am using the Squarp Pyramid with midi to trigger the Bitbox (and FXbox) and it works very well!

I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever and funny enough when I did a comparison test with my Bitbox being triggered by midi VS my ER301 being triggered by gates, when sending crazy fast beat repeated triggers from the Pyramid the Bitbox performs better than the ER301!

However this is only for fast notes being triggered, when comparing audio rate modulation, currently the ER301 responds much better than the Bitbox, as at a certain point the Bitbox doesn't respond to the audio rate modulation and just goes into digital distortion, hopefully this can be improved at some point.
cyclopeatron
1010music wrote:
That's not two lines of code. It also seems like a lot of special cases to test and validate against.

If someone can specify the key pieces of gear to test against, I would be grateful. We have our work cut out for us.


I cannot advise you on MIDI coding, but it seems like this is a problem that has been solved many times before and you probably don't have to reinvent the wheel, right...? Almost all of the MIDI devices since the late 1980s implement running status, so it's not like its some exotic thing. Is there someone you can ask for help? Maybe the person with the two lines can give more specific advice?

1010music wrote:
If someone can specify the key pieces of gear to test against


Octatrack, Cirklon, and Logic would make sense. As per an email I sent you a while back, I'd be happy to help beta test for Cirklon. I just really want it to work - BitBox is quite cool.
Sandrine
Really, simply, if bit 7 of the first byte of a new sentence is not set, and we're not inside a sysex, then it's running status. A sentence should always start with a command, if not then it's running status.
Insert the last MIDI command, be it note/CC whatever, and treat it as such.
Keep holding on that command (inserting it) until bit 7 is set again, indicating a different command.
All the while, 0xF8's must be checked for and if a "sentence" is active, then continue with it after dealing with the F8, decrementing from the pointer counter (if that's the method you're using).
I notice that's sorta covered in the diagram, but not really, as it doesn't define when this is happening and it's before sysex detection (which is silly) which can be 0x00 to 0xff!

That's the way I do it anyway, but no, it's more than 2 lines of code haha

There's also "Active sensing" to ignore (0xFE)

That flow diagram is correct, but makes it awfully confusing eh?

The Kawai X-150, Korg Microkorg, and Yamaha YDD (most of their V'drums from what I've seen) all use running status and I have them all.
cyclopeatron
Browsing the internet, hope this is helpful...

BitBox MIDI Compatibility:

Confirmed compatible:

BeatStep Pro
Pyramid

Confirmed incompatible:
Cirklon
Ableton Max for Live
MPC

Probably incompatible (i.e. likely outputs MIDI using running status):
Octatrack
Machinedrum
Anything by Elektron
Logic
Rhythm Wolf
DSI Tempest
Sandrine
Browsing over the Akai MPX8 forums would be a good way to compile a list!
http://community.akaipro.com/akai_professional/topics/mpx-8-midi-issue s is one
cyclopeatron
Sadly...

I just hooked up my BitBox to my MPC (1000) using MIDI and I must confirm that the BitBox is not compatible with MPCs. It has the exact same problem as with the Cirklon - it appears to misinterpret note off signals, apparently as note on.
Sandrine
cyclopeatron wrote:
Sadly...

I just hooked up my BitBox to my MPC (1000) using MIDI and I must confirm that the BitBox is not compatible with MPCs. It has the exact same problem as with the Cirklon - it appears to misinterpret note off signals, apparently as note on.


Some Hardware sends Note off's as note on's with zero velocity.
This is also in the MIDI spec.

-edit- verified:
akrylik
Tropic Al wrote:
Just to give another side to this, I am using the Squarp Pyramid with midi to trigger the Bitbox (and FXbox) and it works very well!

I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever and funny enough when I did a comparison test with my Bitbox being triggered by midi VS my ER301 being triggered by gates, when sending crazy fast beat repeated triggers from the Pyramid the Bitbox performs better than the ER301!

However this is only for fast notes being triggered, when comparing audio rate modulation, currently the ER301 responds much better than the Bitbox, as at a certain point the Bitbox doesn't respond to the audio rate modulation and just goes into digital distortion, hopefully this can be improved at some point.


I suspect there is something wrong with your comparison. In the ER301, samples can be triggered up to half the sampling rate of the input (so up to 24kHz or 48kHz for the G inputs and up to 30kHz for the other inputs). I've made audio-rate oscillators out of triggering the ER-301! So, I can't see how the ER301 loses to MIDI. Where were your gates coming from?
schege
I have another question: When I prepare a loop in my DAW, lets say with 140bpm and than export it to SDcard and load it into Bitbox and than I let the same loop run in the modular also with 140 bpm. Then of corse 140bpmDAW is not exactly 140bpmModular and the loop would slowly drift out of sync. Well, I can use a trigger input to restart the loop after every round in sync. But it would be absolutely helpful if Bitbox would do that internally in the background, cause than I could use the quantized start and stop with the touchscreen, which is much more intuitive. Also it is a lot of efford to provide trigger signals for for different loop lengths (2bars, 4bars ... what ever)
schege
What do you say, wigglers, isn't that important?!
1010music
Cyclopeatron & Sandrine,

Thank you very much for your detailed responses. You have done most of the work for me. Let me commit to getting you a beta version of running status sometime in the next two weeks. Please stay tuned.
1010music
schege wrote:
I have another question: When I prepare a loop in my DAW, lets say with 140bpm and than export it to SDcard and load it into Bitbox and than I let the same loop run in the modular also with 140 bpm. Then of corse 140bpmDAW is not exactly 140bpmModular and the loop would slowly drift out of sync. Well, I can use a trigger input to restart the loop after every round in sync. But it would be absolutely helpful if Bitbox would do that internally in the background, cause than I could use the quantized start and stop with the touchscreen, which is much more intuitive. Also it is a lot of efford to provide trigger signals for for different loop lengths (2bars, 4bars ... what ever)


Schege, we have this one covered. Just use Quantize Size: 1 bar and Sync: 1 Bar and the module will align the loops properly for as long as you care to play them.

Take care,

Aaron
schege
thanks, Aaron, that's good to know!
papx
Really enjoying the module so far, some things which would make it instantly more practical for me though are: limiter on input, and filters on tracks. smile
cyclopeatron
1010music wrote:
Cyclopeatron & Sandrine,

Thank you very much for your detailed responses. You have done most of the work for me. Let me commit to getting you a beta version of running status sometime in the next two weeks. Please stay tuned.


Great, thanks!

While you're working on MIDI code maybe you can implement velocity sensitivity? Please...?
Tropic Al
akrylik wrote:
Tropic Al wrote:
Just to give another side to this, I am using the Squarp Pyramid with midi to trigger the Bitbox (and FXbox) and it works very well!

I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever and funny enough when I did a comparison test with my Bitbox being triggered by midi VS my ER301 being triggered by gates, when sending crazy fast beat repeated triggers from the Pyramid the Bitbox performs better than the ER301!

However this is only for fast notes being triggered, when comparing audio rate modulation, currently the ER301 responds much better than the Bitbox, as at a certain point the Bitbox doesn't respond to the audio rate modulation and just goes into digital distortion, hopefully this can be improved at some point.


I suspect there is something wrong with your comparison. In the ER301, samples can be triggered up to half the sampling rate of the input (so up to 24kHz or 48kHz for the G inputs and up to 30kHz for the other inputs). I've made audio-rate oscillators out of triggering the ER-301! So, I can't see how the ER301 loses to MIDI. Where were your gates coming from?


The gates were coming from the Squarp via the Expert Sleepers FH1
seek
I'd like to also throw my own vote in for adding midi velocity (over volume as a starting point, and anything else being gravy). The lack of it has kept me from purchasing a Bitbox so far; it would be great to be able to add a velocity sensitive sample player within the modular. I'd be primarily looking to trigger it live like a drum brain with low latency. Hopefully with the other modulation still available so that round robin like sample slice playback could be going on at the same time via a random CV input.

So much groove comes from the variations of volume amongst the hits.
Mikeyg3k
Really psyched just picked one up today after saving up for some time.

This midi issue does not affect what I currently want to use the module for primarily but I have to say I'm impressed with 1010' s dedication to support and that's a big plus value for me especially when a module is above say 300 dollars. (not that anything under that amount doesn't deserve the same!)

I'm planning on going thru the quick start and learning a little tonight. That is all!
Purveyor2
I'm using a BSP and experience missing midi notes as well. Figured it was the Arturia but not so sure after reading above. Still running 1.2.0
cyclopeatron
seek wrote:
I'd like to also throw my own vote in for adding midi velocity (over volume as a starting point, and anything else being gravy). The lack of it has kept me from purchasing a Bitbox so far; it would be great to be able to add a velocity sensitive sample player within the modular. I'd be primarily looking to trigger it live like a drum brain with low latency. Hopefully with the other modulation still available so that round robin like sample slice playback could be going on at the same time via a random CV input.

So much groove comes from the variations of volume amongst the hits.


Yes - it's hard to make compelling beats without velocity.

Next time you listen to your favorite Aphex Twin jam, imagine if all the drum hits were exactly the same volume, with no accents or variation.

BitBox would be INSANE if it had velocity! It would be the king module.
papx
Something a little different. Drums are triggered from MIDI in Ableton/Reaktor going out the ES-8 into Bitbox. Also, hi hats are being modulated by Batumi and a whole bunch of other stuff is happening too.

IntervoxOptima
I've scanned through the thread here for feature requests and haven't seen this one pop up - how about being able to scrub through the sample with the touchscreen? Being able to touch the waveform and fast forward/reverse the sample playback with your fingers a la a Kaoss pad would be really cool. Imagine a quick flick of the finger to the left or right to speed through audio playback like one can do with vinyl. People would be able to scratch using 2 separate mono tracks coming from each individual output and a cross fader! The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense
hydrophilos
IntervoxOptima wrote:
I've scanned through the thread here for feature requests and haven't seen this one pop up - how about being able to scrub through the sample with the touchscreen? Being able to touch the waveform and fast forward/reverse the sample playback with your fingers a la a Kaoss pad would be really cool. Imagine a quick flick of the finger to the left or right to speed through audio playback like one can do with vinyl. People would be able to scratch using 2 separate mono tracks coming from each individual output and a cross fader! The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense


+1 It's peanut butter jelly time!
tFunk
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned in the previous posts.

What about output routing per slot instead of per column?

Like so, if you need to process 2 of the 16 available sample slots separately, you can route one slot to FX1 , the other to FX2, and the 14 remaining slots to OUT1/2.

Like it is right now instead, if you need to process 2 samples separately you have to "waste" two columns, one for each sample.
somatikon
Had the Bitbox just for a few days and already it is proving to be a game changer for how I approach modular composition.....its like having my Daw's installed in the the modular rig. I record my own loops form the modular into the 16 tracks in Bitbox, then randomly gate or trigger all 16 tracks. Then Im free to re patch the modular and add an additional 5 or so sonic events all self evolving along with the 16 tracks coming from Bitbox. My modular's mixer has 5 outputs with cv control plus the 16 tracks coming from Bitbox so that totals 21 sounds under cv control. Wow! All of this is happening without any sound being committed to disk...yet.

The live performance benefits of working like this are obvious.

One concern I had was the quality of the AD/DA conversion. I have mastering grade Lavry converters in my studio that everything goes through.....I can report that the Bitbox does very well. It sounds different and thats good!
tFunk
...And another feature request...

- CV over samples Volume, so it can be possible to fake velocity variations by sending a cv sequence to one of the MOD inputs.
cyclopeatron
tFunk wrote:
...And another feature request...

- CV over samples Volume, so it can be possible to fake velocity variations by sending a cv sequence to one of the MOD inputs.


I would love to have this too.

But for the moment you can get a similar effect with percussive drum sounds by modulating the Start parameter. That is, if you start a sample microseconds after the initial percussive hit it is quieter. Try it! I was getting some funky beats this morning using Maths to modulate Start on various drum samples. I was pretty impressed, actually. (But it's still no substitute for true velocity.)
matttech
yes, that's probably because when you hit a real acoustic drum, it gets duller when you play quieter. on most drum samples, the initial transient is the brightest and loudest part, so moving further along the sample will produce quieter, duller sounds....probably more convincing in a way than simply playing the same sample at a lower volume.

You'd need to only modulate it a tiny bit though I guess..
cyclopeatron
matttech wrote:
yes, that's probably because when you hit a real acoustic drum, it gets duller when you play quieter. on most drum samples, the initial transient is the brightest and loudest part, so moving further along the sample will produce quieter, duller sounds....probably more convincing in a way than simply playing the same sample at a lower volume.

You'd need to only modulate it a tiny bit though I guess..


Yes, exactly - and it works great! You can do extremely tiny Start modulations with BitBox to get this effect. Amazing, really. For typical drum hits I would agree it can actually sound better than velocity. But for non-percussive sounds this strategy won't work, obviously, so velocity is still desirable.

By using Loop and modulating Length I was also getting some great bouncing ball effects too. Awesome module! (Just wish MIDI worked...)
chapatow
great sampler, great support!

some wishes:

-time stretching / granular
-set record level input (gain)
-ability to use cv to trigger different samples (within the same folder)

it would be cool to have a folder assigned to a slot filled with a bunch of let's say different percussion hits, and send random cv to trigger different samples within that folder.

<EDIT>
either this or a function (when tapping and holding) that gives you the ability to "copy sample to sample chain"
tapping and holding a sample in the library should give you some extra options like:

-delete sample
-copy sample to sample chain
-convert to mono (L of R channel for separate out)
-duplicate sample
-adjust bit depth / sample rate per sample
</EDIT>


less important but fun!
-ability to modulate low pass / hi pass filter per sample
-oscilloscope (tool)

cheers!
tFunk
cyclopeatron wrote:
tFunk wrote:
...And another feature request...

- CV over samples Volume, so it can be possible to fake velocity variations by sending a cv sequence to one of the MOD inputs.


I would love to have this too.

But for the moment you can get a similar effect with percussive drum sounds by modulating the Start parameter. That is, if you start a sample microseconds after the initial percussive hit it is quieter. Try it! I was getting some funky beats this morning using Maths to modulate Start on various drum samples. I was pretty impressed, actually. (But it's still no substitute for true velocity.)


Very clever hack! I'll definitely try it out thumbs up
papx
This module is like having a mini Ableton in my rack smile
digidandy
Is it possible to modulate the pitch (or starting point) of several samples, or can the pitch modulation only be routed to one cell at a time?
Trigga
Lookin forward to mine! A controllable ADSR would be really fine ...
papx
Has anyone tried sampling in waveforms and controlling with Pitch CV? Just giving it a go now... seems to work fine from what I can tell.
Mikeyg3k
Has this been mentioned yet?

I'd love to have sub folders, especially for drum sample libraries. Every sample at the root of the SD card is definitely a little chaotic at the moment.
Tropic Al
digidandy wrote:
Is it possible to modulate the pitch (or starting point) of several samples, or can the pitch modulation only be routed to one cell at a time?


Unfortunately with the current firmware it is only possible to assign each of the four modulation inputs to one destination each.
This is one of the main things for me that lets the Bitbox down as a 'modular sampler' as its only possible to modulate four cells out of the available 16!
Hopefully this will be addressed in a future update.
Tropic Al
chapatow wrote:
-ability to use cv to trigger different samples (within the same folder)

it would be cool to have a folder assigned to a slot filled with a bunch of let's say different percussion hits, and send random cv to trigger different samples within that folder.
!


You can sort of do this by combining a long chain of samples into one long sample and then setting the start points for each individual hit ( - the auto slicing feature is pretty handy for this - it usually gets most of the start points right and you only have to go in and tweak a couple) - and then modulate the slice select with CV

Like this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPc8anPDtuE/?taken-by=sun_shine_lover
digidandy
Tropic Al wrote:
digidandy wrote:
Is it possible to modulate the pitch (or starting point) of several samples, or can the pitch modulation only be routed to one cell at a time?


Unfortunately with the current firmware it is only possible to assign each of the four modulation inputs to one destination each.
This is one of the main things for me that lets the Bitbox down as a 'modular sampler' as its only possible to modulate four cells out of the available 16!
Hopefully this will be addressed in a future update.


Ah, thanks, that is indeed a big bummer - it certainly limits the flexibility of the "modular" part. Will wait and see, I guess.
chapatow
Mikeyg3k wrote:
Has this been mentioned yet?

I'd love to have sub folders, especially for drum sample libraries. Every sample at the root of the SD card is definitely a little chaotic at the moment.


this can be done already
chapatow
Tropic Al wrote:
chapatow wrote:
-ability to use cv to trigger different samples (within the same folder)

it would be cool to have a folder assigned to a slot filled with a bunch of let's say different percussion hits, and send random cv to trigger different samples within that folder.
!


You can sort of do this by combining a long chain of samples into one long sample and then setting the start points for each individual hit ( - the auto slicing feature is pretty handy for this - it usually gets most of the start points right and you only have to go in and tweak a couple) - and then modulate the slice select with CV

Like this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPc8anPDtuE/?taken-by=sun_shine_lover



thanks for the suggestion, i realise that this can be done.
i just like to have a workflow that requires minimal to none external editing on a computer. dropping samples, or copy them, in a specific folder on the fly should be faster and give less predictable results in the end.

either this or a function (when tapping and holding) that gives you the ability to "copy sample to sample chain"
tapping and holding a sample in the library should give you some extra options like:

-delete sample
-copy sample to sample chain
-convert to mono (L of R channel for separate out)

would be nice! smile
1010music
Hello all,

Here is the beta version with MIDI Running Status and other MIDI fixes included.

Bitbox 1.2.2

Please check it out with your gear and let us know if Bitbox is now more MIDI compatible.

Thank you for all the guidance and help,

Aaron
DSC
Excellent, thank you!
Sandrine
1010music wrote:
Hello all,

Here is the beta version with MIDI Running Status and other MIDI fixes included.

Bitbox 1.2.2

Please check it out with your gear and let us know if Bitbox is now more MIDI compatible.

Thank you for all the guidance and help,

Aaron

Bravo! Long live MIDI control!
Riggar
tFunk: ...And another feature request...
- CV over samples Volume, so it can be possible to fake velocity variations by sending a cv sequence to one of the MOD inputs.


Yes please! I would like to slowly fade volumes in and out
cyclopeatron
1010music wrote:
Hello all,

Here is the beta version with MIDI Running Status and other MIDI fixes included.

Bitbox 1.2.2

Please check it out with your gear and let us know if Bitbox is now more MIDI compatible.

Thank you for all the guidance and help,

Aaron


Yay MIDI works now! I just did a quick run with my Cirklon and so far so good! Thanks for the rapid response on this Aaron!
Trigga
wow, great! thanks for the fast response. It's great to see this kind of support!
Purveyor2
Working well for me too. And no more blank spots in my samples. Thanks.
RubberGong
Is there response to CC messages, or midi volume, velocity etc? It seems as is the midi is limited to notes, on/off and clock?

Does anyone know if further and more advanced midi implementation is planned?
pauk
no blanks for me either.
but just a question, midi thru TRS is supposed to be monophonic?
cyclopeatron
RubberGong wrote:
Is there response to CC messages, or midi volume, velocity etc? It seems as is the midi is limited to notes, on/off and clock?

Does anyone know if further and more advanced midi implementation is planned?


Many of us are actively begging for this. Aaron, the developer, is aware a lot of us would like this (I hope), but I can't tell how high on it is on his priority list it is. Maybe if enough of us continue to speak up he'll shortlist it for the next firmware version.

IMO more sophisticated MIDI implementation would catapult this from a quite good module to one the best. It would very clearly differentiate it from the ER-301, or any other competitors, by a mile. Velocity sensitivity is the last thing BitBox needs before I can retire my MPC.
RubberGong
cyclopeatron wrote:
RubberGong wrote:
Is there response to CC messages, or midi volume, velocity etc? It seems as is the midi is limited to notes, on/off and clock?

Does anyone know if further and more advanced midi implementation is planned?


Many of us are actively begging for this. Aaron, the developer, is aware a lot of us would like this (I hope), but I can't tell how high on it is on his priority list it is. Maybe if enough of us continue to speak up he'll shortlist it for the next firmware version.

IMO more sophisticated MIDI implementation would catapult this from a quite good module to one the best. It would very clearly differentiate it from the ER-301, or any other competitors, by a mile. Velocity sensitivity is the last thing BitBox needs before I can retire my MPC.


I agree - I am looking for a nice sampler in euro format, and the midi implementation will absolutely tilt me towards bitbox - midi has a lot of strengths. For pure cv stuff im staring at the 4ms Stereo Triggered Sampler or Morphagene, albeit the latter being quite a different machine all together. The possibilty of assigning sample per note is also a nice feature that is possible in midi domain.
1010music
Hi all,

Yes, we hear you about MIDI and the other topics. I am happy to say we have a long wishlist and will be busy for a very long time.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and helping us see where to go next. You can think this stuff up way faster than we can implement it. I would much rather have too many requests than not enough.

Aaron
Rave Angst
Received a Bitbox the other Day and must say i love it! So easy to use especially for Playing Live! Awesome job 1010Music!

Don't read the whole Thread but for me i don't care about Midi, my wishlist includes internal randomness!
Absolutely love the Slicing Function for Loops (use it most of the times!) and a internal random Play Mode for the Slices via Trigger would be so awesome to have the CV inputs free for Pitch.
LFO's/S&H per Cell for pitch, sample start, sample slice .. would be Dope.
Another nice thing would be the ability to route the CV inputs to more than only one destination within a track.
A dim Function for the Display would be nice too, for me it's a bit to bright.

So much more ideas, so many potential! But please more internal Randomness!!!!

BTW. No more Blank Sample spots since the last Update here too!

Kind Regards, Alex
cyclopeatron
There was some discussion earlier about getting velocity-like effects from BitBox even though there's no volume modulation. Here's a short ~30s clip I made that demonstrates this and a few other things:

1. All percussion is coming from BitBox

2. The maraca sample Start is being modulated by Maths for velocity-like effect, where the hard transient at the beginning of the sample is being intermittently skipped

3. The mellotron flute melody at the end is a single sample that is being modulated by 1v/Oct. This sounds great and worked perfectly on the first try.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BSwnK1NAA2U
pauk
Please, please, can anyone answer my question we're not worthy
Is it possible to trigger more than one sample at the same time thru the midi input? Trigger more than one slot simultaneously.
Thanks
cyclopeatron
pauk wrote:
Please, please, can anyone answer my question we're not worthy
Is it possible to trigger more than one sample at the same time thru the midi input? Trigger more than one slot simultaneously.
Thanks


Yes! See the instagram video clip in my last post for proof. For example, the mellotron flute sample is playing at the same time as all the percussion samples in the last ~10sec

You can trigger all 16 simultaneously if you want.
pauk
thanks cyclopeatron
are you doing it from Ableton?
you mean i could trigger the 16 just from the midi input right?
it's not working for me, i can just trigger one at a time
hope it's not a faulty unit
I'm going to write Aaron waah
cyclopeatron
pauk wrote:
thanks cyclopeatron
are you doing it from Ableton?
you mean i could trigger the 16 just from the midi input right?
it's not working for me, i can just trigger one at a time
hope it's not a faulty unit
I'm going to write Aaron waah


I am sequencing from a Cirklon using MIDI. And, yes, I can trigger any number of samples simultaneously just from the MIDI input (in the video all triggers are from MIDI). To be honest I haven't tried triggering all 16 at the same time, but so far no problems doing 2 or 3 simultaneously.

Aaron just recently upgraded the BitBox MIDI implementation. Make sure you install the newest firmware (1.2.2) http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Bitbox122.zip

I think some people were having problems with Ableton before the newest update.
pauk
thanks a lot cyclopeatron
w00t SlayerBadger! Guinness ftw! applause
working now!
Montgomery Word
hey 1010, hope all is well!

i'm using my octatrack/mpc to sync my modular these days, and i really wanna send midi to the bitbox. i know its channel 10, CC note 36-51, but no matter what i use, octa or mpc 1000, i'm not getting anything. i'm using this cable from my korg sq1. it is a trs midi to 1/8" and i think it should be working, but for some reason isn't.
any ideas as to what i'm doing wrong? firmware 1.2.2....saw you fixed it but has anyone used an octatrack or mpc successfully?

thanks!
glassofwater
That cable might not work.
cyclopeatron
Montgomery Word wrote:
hey 1010, hope all is well!

i'm using my octatrack/mpc to sync my modular these days, and i really wanna send midi to the bitbox. i know its channel 10, CC note 36-51, but no matter what i use, octa or mpc 1000, i'm not getting anything. i'm using this cable from my korg sq1. it is a trs midi to 1/8" and i think it should be working, but for some reason isn't.
any ideas as to what i'm doing wrong? firmware 1.2.2....saw you fixed it but has anyone used an octatrack or mpc successfully?

thanks!


I saw your message and tested BitBox compatibility with my MPC 1000.

I can confirm firmware 1.2.2 works perfectly.

I am using the pink and white Malekko MIDI cable. Perfect Circuit sells it for $5 on ebay (free shipping).
Tonemod
glassofwater wrote:
That cable might not work.


Bitbox is compatible with the Arturia format. Korg swaps the ring and sleeve.

The Malekko midi to TRS cables work great.
komprezzor
Why not add a sequencer to the bitbox itself , like the fxbox one?
eyeiaye
Yeah! that would be a great add on, and easy to port over. Then it becomes a boom box for crazy beats. ahhhh ill just get the fm box hahaha
Montgomery Word
i don't want a sequencer but i bought the malekko cable!
wish me luck.
Montgomery Word
malekko cable just changed my life. jesus, this module keeps getting better! i'm now using this for my livesets and along with varigate 8, im having more variation than every before in modular. i keep thinking of little projects to try. like single cycle waveforms looped with v/oct control. i like the folders now. i love the syncing and midi shit. i also really like the touch screen live with quantized starts. i drum on it live.

here's a set i did with the bitbox recently in portland...
[s]https://soundcloud.com/disxiple/leaven-community-12517[/s]


1010// thanks for all your hard work!!!
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
malekko cable just changed my life.


Glad to hear it. Thanks for the recording of your performance and your support.

I can confirm that the MPC1000 now works with Bitbox 1.2.2.

I haven't heard for sure whether it works with the Octotrack and would love to hear from anyone who has tried.

Thank you,

Aaron
Montgomery Word
i'm using it with the octatrack! flawlessly. still have to try the modulation CC's.. i'm sure it's fine since it's great so far.
1010music
Montgomery Word wrote:
i'm using it with the octatrack! flawlessly. still have to try the modulation CC's.. i'm sure it's fine since it's great so far.


Sorry to disappoint: the CC's are not hooked up as of 1.2.2. How does the Octatrack support these? Do you get to choose which controls, like Volume, Pan, etc.?

Thank you
Montgomery Word
the octatrack can assign lfo's to midi cc's. since you're modulation cc's are 52-55, i'd think it would work.
RubberGong
Modulation cc's 52-55? What are they controlling?

Almost all samplers with midi supports basic midi messages. - Microgranny Sampler also implements interesting midi controls over granularity and other things.
Tonemod
Montgomery Word wrote:


here's a set i did with the bitbox recently in portland...



Nice little set, I dig the minimal tech vibe nanners
Montgomery Word
Tonemod wrote:


Nice little set, I dig the minimal tech vibe nanners


thank you! it was in a lutheran church so the vibe was there when i walked in!
nanners
Makingsound
Montgomery Word wrote:
here's a set i did with the bitbox recently in portland...


Great set ! I wish i can download it smile Can you explain your setup/workflow ?
sixnon
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, I searched this thread and came up with nothing. I have a recently arrived bitbox and am digging it, and digging in. When one is in the sample menu and the sample is unsliced the first menu shows Length in the bottom LH corner with a percentage figure. The next menu in using the info button shows Pitch. If the sample is sliced that level of menu shows Slice number in the top left hand and "Len Slice" in the bottom left. This seems to be inactive, is this the case?

Also, on a number of occasions (and I can't pin down the exact sequence which makes this occur) if I am in a sample (or a sliced sample) and loop mode is on and mode is trigger, i am unable to stop the sample looping after the initial trigger. The only way to stop it is to change loop or mode type. At other times I am able to press play again when mode is trigger and loop is on, and playback will stop. There are no external gates and neither the play button in the editing page nor the individual slice in the grid can turn the loop off.

Thank you.
papx
It would be great if Bitbox loaded the last used preset on startup smile
1010music
sixnon wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, I searched this thread and came up with nothing. I have a recently arrived bitbox and am digging it, and digging in. When one is in the sample menu and the sample is unsliced the first menu shows Length in the bottom LH corner with a percentage figure. The next menu in using the info button shows Pitch. If the sample is sliced that level of menu shows Slice number in the top left hand and "Len Slice" in the bottom left. This seems to be inactive, is this the case?


When in Slice Atomic mode, the length is set to a single slice and may not be changed. You can control the length of each slice by the placement of the markers.

sixnon wrote:
Also, on a number of occasions (and I can't pin down the exact sequence which makes this occur) if I am in a sample (or a sliced sample) and loop mode is on and mode is trigger, i am unable to stop the sample looping after the initial trigger. The only way to stop it is to change loop or mode type. At other times I am able to press play again when mode is trigger and loop is on, and playback will stop. There are no external gates and neither the play button in the editing page nor the individual slice in the grid can turn the loop off.


Trigger + Loop = infinite loop when playback starts.

Gate + Loop or Toggle + Loop is best for most situations.

Let me know if this does not help.
adderbrew
Just got my Bitbox in last night, but had things to attend to :( going to play with it tonight!
Loosefang
Got mine last weekend and loving it!

One issue though...I have been triggering samples via the drum gates from a Beatstep pro and this has worked wonderfully, but when I use triggers from MI Grids, it's not triggering.

I'm a total newbie and I realize this is probably either a voltage concern or gate vs. trigger issue (?)...but I have toggled between gate and trigger out on the Grids, and still no luck.

Any help would be appreciated!
cyclopeatron
Loosefang wrote:
Got mine last weekend and loving it!

One issue though...I have been triggering samples via the drum gates from a Beatstep pro and this has worked wonderfully, but when I use triggers from MI Grids, it's not triggering.

I'm a total newbie and I realize this is probably either a voltage concern or gate vs. trigger issue (?)...but I have toggled between gate and trigger out on the Grids, and still no luck.

Any help would be appreciated!


It could be a gate/trigger issue on the BitBox side. Select one of your clips and hit INFO. Make sure that it is set to Trigger mode.

(If you haven't yet, you should also upgrade to the newest bitbox firmware).
Rave Angst
Any chance for better Latency with the next firmware Updates?
Loosefang
cyclopeatron wrote:
Loosefang wrote:
Got mine last weekend and loving it!

One issue though...I have been triggering samples via the drum gates from a Beatstep pro and this has worked wonderfully, but when I use triggers from MI Grids, it's not triggering.

I'm a total newbie and I realize this is probably either a voltage concern or gate vs. trigger issue (?)...but I have toggled between gate and trigger out on the Grids, and still no luck.

Any help would be appreciated!


It could be a gate/trigger issue on the BitBox side. Select one of your clips and hit INFO. Make sure that it is set to Trigger mode.

(If you haven't yet, you should also upgrade to the newest bitbox firmware).



ah, got it. It was a trigger vs. gate issue within Grids. Thanks for the help though!
sixnon
1010music wrote:
sixnon wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, I searched this thread and came up with nothing. I have a recently arrived bitbox and am digging it, and digging in. When one is in the sample menu and the sample is unsliced the first menu shows Length in the bottom LH corner with a percentage figure. The next menu in using the info button shows Pitch. If the sample is sliced that level of menu shows Slice number in the top left hand and "Len Slice" in the bottom left. This seems to be inactive, is this the case?


When in Slice Atomic mode, the length is set to a single slice and may not be changed. You can control the length of each slice by the placement of the markers.

sixnon wrote:
Also, on a number of occasions (and I can't pin down the exact sequence which makes this occur) if I am in a sample (or a sliced sample) and loop mode is on and mode is trigger, i am unable to stop the sample looping after the initial trigger. The only way to stop it is to change loop or mode type. At other times I am able to press play again when mode is trigger and loop is on, and playback will stop. There are no external gates and neither the play button in the editing page nor the individual slice in the grid can turn the loop off.


Trigger + Loop = infinite loop when playback starts.

Gate + Loop or Toggle + Loop is best for most situations.

Let me know if this does not help.


That's great, thank you.

I imagined as such with Atomic mode, given that menu item not applicable does it make any sense to have it there in the first place? It does suggest specifically the length of the slice and seems superfluous if the slice length not adjustable.

Have just received a Midi din to 3.5 cable, and the module takes on a whole new character, great work!
1010music
Rave Angst wrote:
Any chance for better Latency with the next firmware Updates?


Latency is a complex topic. Is there a particular aspect where you are finding latency to be an issue? I look forward to hearing more.
Rave Angst
1010music wrote:
Rave Angst wrote:
Any chance for better Latency with the next firmware Updates?


Latency is a complex topic. Is there a particular aspect where you are finding latency to be an issue? I look forward to hearing more.


Yes it's complex, especially inside a Modular System where everything's so tight. Did some recordings, one track Tiptop CR into Basimilus and another track Tiptop CR into Bitbox, both with a super sharp and short Drum Sound, basically same workaround for latency tests with a DAW. Was a little bit shocked because of the latency from the bitbox, but i don't do 4 to the floor techno or stuff like this so i can live with that. First i thought of returning it to schneiders for money back but it's so cool to have a sampler like this inside my modular System! Can't wait for the next big Firmware update with (hopefully) LFO's/S&H, more CV/Gate input routing options (one CV input for a whole Track for example..)
1010music
Rave, thanks for the additional information.

Bitbox has more in common with a DAW than your typical eurorack module. I would expect the timing to be similar.

The single most important thing is how does it sound. Do you like what you hear? You can measure all kinds of crazy things on a scope. Here is something I like to consider when the topic of latency comes up:

Sound travels about 1 foot per millisecond.

Think about how this translates into a band trying to play together. Based on the position of peoples ears and the speakers there will be several milliseconds of latency in the system.

In terms of designing an audio system, like Bitbox or a DAW, latency is a key tradeoff. Make the latency too low and you reduce the amount of concurrent processing and risk dropouts. Make it too high and the timing becomes sloppy and unmusical.

I believe we have made a reasonable tradeoff with Bitbox, based on feedback we have received to date. That said, we are always listening to any new points of view.

Thanks for your time and consideration,

Aaron
yes0have0some
Do the ins on the bitbox have enough gain to record a volca or audio from a phone or should I plan on getting some sort of preamp like an ears too?
SirLondonCleanLily
Can someone please describe their process for triggering samples to pitch?
I have a beatstep pro and have the pitch out connected to the modulation box. It is set to pitch1v/oct but all it will do is trigger the sample. I would like to sample single cycle wav forms and play them as a keyboard. Is this possible? I heard a track earlier in the thread that someone posted where they were controlling a flute that way. Thanks for the help! I LOVE this module. 1010 did a great job. I can't wait to see what it turns into!
cyclopeatron
SirLondonCleanLily wrote:
Can someone please describe their process for triggering samples to pitch?
I have a beatstep pro and have the pitch out connected to the modulation box. It is set to pitch1v/oct but all it will do is trigger the sample. I would like to sample single cycle wav forms and play them as a keyboard. Is this possible? I heard a track earlier in the thread that someone posted where they were controlling a flute that way. Thanks for the help! I LOVE this module. 1010 did a great job. I can't wait to see what it turns into!


The flute example was mine. The pitch control works GREAT for me. I grabbed some mellotron samples on the web and I can play them in perfect pitch using a keyboard controller.

You need two signals going in - one to trigger the sample (via MIDI or CV to one of the main grid trigger inputs), and a separate one to modulate the pitch (1v/oct CV going into one of the modulation inputs on the right side). Be sure the settings are correct for your modulation cell.
Daisuk
yes0have0some wrote:
Do the ins on the bitbox have enough gain to record a volca or audio from a phone or should I plan on getting some sort of preamp like an ears too?


It doesn't for my phone, at least. I use a Gozinta to up the gain going into Bitbox.
yes0have0some
That's what I thought. Thanks.
SirLondonCleanLily
I am using a Beatstep Pro. I have the Pitch out running to the modulation input and it is set to Pitch 1v/oct. The destination is the location of the sample. The gate out is running to the location of the sample. In my head that should work but its not. Any help would be appreciated.

Also, is there somewhere that details what midi implementation exist? I know it's channel 10 but that is all.
cyclopeatron
SirLondonCleanLily wrote:
I am using a Beatstep Pro. I have the Pitch out running to the modulation input and it is set to Pitch 1v/oct. The destination is the location of the sample. The gate out is running to the location of the sample. In my head that should work but its not. Any help would be appreciated.


Hmmm... that should work. It works for my Cirklon and QuNexus.

Do you get sound, but just no pitch shift? Or no sound at all?

If you unplug the modulation input do you hear when the sample is triggered? Are you able to control other modulation parameters besides pitch?

SirLondonCleanLily wrote:
Also, is there somewhere that details what midi implementation exist? I know it's channel 10 but that is all.


MIDI still isn't too sophisticated. Just start, stop, and note as far as I can tell. Not too many details in the manual. Many of us have been asking for velocity control.
SirLondonCleanLily
I get sound but no pitch control.
cyclopeatron
SirLondonCleanLily wrote:
I get sound but no pitch control.


Did you confirm that you can modulate other parameters besides pitch?

And did you confirm that your BSP is sending out a proper pitch signal?
SirLondonCleanLily
And yes. Other modulation features work.
SirLondonCleanLily
Here is a track with nothing but the Bitbox, a Beatstep Pro and a TC Helicon Voice Live Touch 2. The drums were internal sounds and the vocals were all me except one sample from Tim and Eric. https://soundcloud.com/lance-dillon-lyon/040336a

Also, I'm still looking for directions to make the BSP control pitch on an individual sample if anyone else has made this work.
joskery
Hi!

Quick question concerning the Bitbox:

Can you set the recording gain on the bitbox itself or does it have to be set externally? I've gone through the manual and had a look at videos but can't tell.

And if the gain is adjustable, is it enough to record line-level or even guitar?

EDIT: Apparently the gain isn't enough for an iPhone, but still unclear about the adjustability...

Thanks!
Tropic Al
joskery wrote:
Hi!

Quick question concerning the Bitbox:

Can you set the recording gain on the bitbox itself or does it have to be set externally? !


No, with the current firmware you can't set the gain, you have to set it on your source
Tropic Al
It would be great if there was a way to set it so that with a sample that has many slices on each trigger it would automatically jump to the next slice on each successive trigger. This would help with only having four modulation sources for four cells available.
pauk
hi,
i've been experiencing a high pitch sound on the output when a high modulation goes in to the module, is that normal?
it is really annoying.
have somebody experienced it?
Tropic Al
pauk wrote:
hi,
i've been experiencing a high pitch sound on the output when a high modulation goes in to the module, is that normal?
it is really annoying.
have somebody experienced it?


Is the modulation at audio rates? It could be that the high pitch sound is the modulation source bleeding through?

So far in my use (with the latest firmware) audio rate modulation doesn't work on pretty much all of the currently available modulation destinations except for 'Slice Select' where is produces some wonderful glitch FX at rates with samples that have slices in!
sixnon
pauk wrote:
hi,
i've been experiencing a high pitch sound on the output when a high modulation goes in to the module, is that normal?
it is really annoying.
have somebody experienced it?


I just came to the thread to pose the same question. My Tempi arrived today and it's been very present (the whine that is). I'm patching gate signals from the Tempi and all the samples play with that attendant whine, which is indeed annoying! I also get the whine when triggering an empty slot (i.e. a slot with no sample loaded - not a modulation slot) for the duration of the gate.
digidandy
Is this whine thing happening to all bitboxes? That would bother me a lot, if I were to go for a $599 unit and get high pitched whine added to all my samples.

Could it be something with the power supply/case being used? Grounding issue(s)?
sixnon
digidandy wrote:
Is this whine thing happening to all bitboxes? That would bother me a lot, if I were to go for a $599 unit and get high pitched whine added to all my samples.

Could it be something with the power supply/case being used? Grounding issue(s)?


As you can see by my post count, I don't have a lot of experience, but I'd imagine it is a power supply/grounding issue. I've done some further investigation and a Tempi and Topobrillo DFG both produce the whine when providing signal in to the bitbox, within the same case powered by a Uzeus. Gates, LFO's and clock signals from two separate Mother's within the same rack, but powered by their own power supplies do not produce the whine.

Edit: Further investigation still. It definitely bears relationship to the Bitbox. I can have a Mother taking a signal from the Tempi or DFG and both trigger that synth without noise. As soon as there is a gate going in to the Bitbox, the whine returns. This now on the Moog audio, with the Bitbox out disconnected. This gate can come from DFG or Tempi and it occurs. Both of those modules are running from the uZues. However, if I run a gate from the Mother, the whine does not occur.

I hope that's clear enough. If someone can offer a solution, I'm all ears.
pauk
i don't think it's a power/ground issue,
i've tried with 3 different powers and same
i also tried to put a hum removal device on the out signal and noise is still there.
The noise just appears when recieving higher voltages
and yes, it is really annoying
seriously, i just don't get it

any idea Aaron? can you reproduce it?
sixnon
pauk wrote:
i don't think it's a power/ground issue,
i've tried with 3 different powers and same
i also tried to put a hum removal device on the out signal and noise is still there.
The noise just appears when recieving higher voltages
and yes, it is really annoying
seriously, i just don't get it

any idea Aaron? can you reproduce it?


It's definitely not a hum.



You can see it's harmonics here in the spikes
digidandy
Da*n. Was ready to order (sale!), but I can't have yet another module (hello mungo g0 and Music Thing RadioMusic) that adds noise when playing back samples.
pauk
I'm shure Aaron will take note on the issue,
don't worry about it
even tho this module is f. awesome
i'd take the sale
sixnon
pauk wrote:


The noise just appears when recieving higher voltages


Really? Is the voltage from a gate out of Tempi particularly high?
digidandy
pauk wrote:
I'm shure Aaron will take note on the issue,
don't worry about it
even tho this module is f. awesome
i'd take the sale


If it's a hardware issue, taking issue might not be that easy.
sixnon
digidandy wrote:
Da*n. Was ready to order (sale!), but I can't have yet another module (hello mungo g0 and Music Thing RadioMusic) that adds noise when playing back samples.


The audio out quality is generally great, in my experience, aside from this issue which has just cropped up.

I think it's an excellent module
tFunk
I think the high pitched noise is due to high voltage gates. If you try to attenuate them before hitting the bitbox you should be able to remove the whine.
pauk
but it's a pain to waste an attenuator for this problem
don't you think so? hmmm.....
tFunk
pauk wrote:
but it's a pain to waste an attenuator for this problem
don't you think so? hmmm.....


It definitely is, but it's the only workaround I found that somehow fix the problem. I hope Aaron will chime in with a real solution.
akrylik
tFunk wrote:
I think the high pitched noise is due to high voltage gates. If you try to attenuate them before hitting the bitbox you should be able to remove the whine.


Where are these high voltage gates coming from and how high is the voltage?
yes0have0some
Trying to sync my mother-32 to bitbox via clock out, but it's not working. I think it's because the M32 is 24ppqn and the bitbox is only 4ppqn. Is that right? If I get something like a tempi and divide the clock by 6, will it sync better? Would the midi out to the malekko sync cable work better or same issue?
1010music
Hi all,

What voltage are you driving into the gates? Bitbox is meant to handle -5V to +5V on all gate/CV inputs and tolerate voltages outside of that range.

I have seen an issue where if you drive +10V into the module, that can introduce some low level noise from the high voltage being clamped internally to a safe level. The issue only happens when the signal is high.

So yes, attenuating these voltages should fix the problem. Let me know if not.
Sandrine
pauk wrote:
i don't think it's a power/ground issue,
i've tried with 3 different powers and same
i also tried to put a hum removal device on the out signal and noise is still there.
The noise just appears when recieving higher voltages
and yes, it is really annoying
seriously, i just don't get it

any idea Aaron? can you reproduce it?


How are you changing PSU's like that? Do you have a 4MS row power?
pauk
Mr. Green i have 3 cases with 3 different PSUs
Montgomery Word
just wanna chime in that while my phonogene makes noise while sampling,
my bitbox does not. or while it plays back.

or while i cuddle with it.
cyclopeatron
Montgomery Word wrote:
just wanna chime in that while my phonogene makes noise while sampling,
my bitbox does not. or while it plays back.

or while i cuddle with it.


+1 quiet BitBox

+1 BitBox cuddler
Sandrine
pauk wrote:
Mr. Green i have 3 cases with 3 different PSUs

Oh OK, must be something wrong then
SirLondonCleanLily
I had an issue with a noise with noise in a modulation channel. I'm hoping those get some work all around. As far as triggering with midi or CV I've had zero problems.
sixnon
akrylik wrote:
tFunk wrote:
I think the high pitched noise is due to high voltage gates. If you try to attenuate them before hitting the bitbox you should be able to remove the whine.


Where are these high voltage gates coming from and how high is the voltage?


I can confirm that this strategy addresses the issue, but I question why the MakeNoise Tempi gates are "high" when that's their intended purpose?

I've a Mix control on each Mother which I can use as an attenuator, but that's 2, so I need 18 more to be able to run the Bitbox!?

Edit; I missed Aaron's post above. That explanation definitely works in my instance as the Mother is in the +/- 5V range for the most part. I know that the DFG is capable of producing much higher ranges, not sure about the Tempi..
sixnon
yes0have0some wrote:
Trying to sync my mother-32 to bitbox via clock out, but it's not working. I think it's because the M32 is 24ppqn and the bitbox is only 4ppqn. Is that right? If I get something like a tempi and divide the clock by 6, will it sync better? Would the midi out to the malekko sync cable work better or same issue?


Clock out? Clock on Bitbox is clock in, or do you mean from Mother's assign out? Assign out works for me to clock Bitbox.
yes0have0some
Quote:
Clock out? Clock on Bitbox is clock in, or do you mean from Mother's assign out? Assign out works for me to clock Bitbox.



Yes, I should have said assign out. Weird though, It's totally off for me. I'll have to play around with it more I guess.
Goldenage2012
Hello everyone,

After reading throughout all the thread and being on the mist of getting a bitbox myself, i have a couple of questions.

Many thanks to muffwigler, this is an amazing forum where we can get this kind of human interation and lots of great information.

Many thanks to Aaron,
its great to see this kind of input and support. That can really make the difference and give confidence to buy in this days market.

My main use for bitbox will be sample triggering from cv.
I have read someone mentioning about latency, at the moment iam using a cv to midi interface in which i get latency, will bitbox be an improvment? Anyone using the beatbox as a sampler cv trigger could chime in?

I will be using pulses triggers that will fluctuate in bpm and in swing, from the video i saw with Aaron it seemed that you could do this with triggers perfect, and since theres no sync involved, this should be no problem?!can someone confirm?
is the sync in for anything else besides recording?
Is it possible For the sync input to be ran by an unstable clock?

Also, is it possible to add delay to the triggers, if so how much can it be add?

Many thanks eveyone
sixnon
yes0have0some wrote:
Quote:
Clock out? Clock on Bitbox is clock in, or do you mean from Mother's assign out? Assign out works for me to clock Bitbox.



Yes, I should have said assign out. Weird though, It's totally off for me. I'll have to play around with it more I guess.


Are you certain you have the clock out set to assign rather than one of the divisions which are possible?
1010music
Goldenage2012 wrote:
My main use for bitbox will be sample triggering from cv.
I have read someone mentioning about latency, at the moment iam using a cv to midi interface in which i get latency, will bitbox be an improvment? Anyone using the beatbox as a sampler cv trigger could chime in?


There have been several reports from users that the timing on the Bitbox is tight and more than good enough. See the posts from Tropic Al and others.

Goldenage2012 wrote:
I will be using pulses triggers that will fluctuate in bpm and in swing, from the video i saw with Aaron it seemed that you could do this with triggers perfect, and since theres no sync involved, this should be no problem?!can someone confirm?


I can confirm that when not using sync, the samples trigger immediately. This means that changes in BPM and swing will not be an issue.

Goldenage2012 wrote:
is the sync in for anything else besides recording?


The clock input and MIDI clock on Bitbox can control sync features for playback. These include quantized starting and stopping. This also includes basic loop slicing and time shifting.

Goldenage2012 wrote:
Is it possible For the sync input to be ran by an unstable clock?


The sync features rely upon a steady clock. Using an unstable one will give mixed results.

Goldenage2012 wrote:
Also, is it possible to add delay to the triggers, if so how much can it be add?


This is not currently possible as of Bitbox firmware 1.2.2

Take care,

Aaron
yes0have0some
sixnon wrote:
yes0have0some wrote:
Quote:
Clock out? Clock on Bitbox is clock in, or do you mean from Mother's assign out? Assign out works for me to clock Bitbox.



Yes, I should have said assign out. Weird though, It's totally off for me. I'll have to play around with it more I guess.


Are you certain you have the clock out set to assign rather than one of the divisions which are possible?


Yeah, I triple checked, but I got my malekko cable the other day and am syncing to sq-1, which wasn't working with clock before either. Everything working now. Love it.
sixnon
yes0have0some wrote:
sixnon wrote:
yes0have0some wrote:
Quote:
Clock out? Clock on Bitbox is clock in, or do you mean from Mother's assign out? Assign out works for me to clock Bitbox.



Yes, I should have said assign out. Weird though, It's totally off for me. I'll have to play around with it more I guess.


Are you certain you have the clock out set to assign rather than one of the divisions which are possible?


Yeah, I triple checked, but I got my malekko cable the other day and am syncing to sq-1, which wasn't working with clock before either. Everything working now. Love it.


Glad to hear, the midi implementation certainly makes it a whole 'nother instrument.
Daisuk
Fingerdrummed a little ditty from Maschine into the Bitbox and sent various other samples from it and through it for this little beats-y ditty. Bitbox is really excellent for syncing off-beat stuff to the beat in euro. Love it. cool

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/fuelbinger[/s]
Riggar
Daisuk - really enjoyed that piece!
dash80
Agreed, great little jam there, Daisuk!
Daisuk
Thanks, guys! I actually thought it was way more on beat than it is (listening the day after syndrome). Oh, well, it was always meant to be a bit off-beat, but not this much, haha. lol Mr. Green
adderbrew
I didn't see a post about it, but has anyone had it where the files don't display once you've loaded or explored other folders? This seems to be happening to me even with the stock microSD card.
dash80
adderbrew wrote:
I didn't see a post about it, but has anyone had it where the files don't display once you've loaded or explored other folders? This seems to be happening to me even with the stock microSD card.


I've had this problem as well.

Usually when there are lots of samples in one folder or when there are multiple folders within one another.
adderbrew
dash80 wrote:
adderbrew wrote:
I didn't see a post about it, but has anyone had it where the files don't display once you've loaded or explored other folders? This seems to be happening to me even with the stock microSD card.


I've had this problem as well.

Usually when there are lots of samples in one folder or when there are multiple folders within one another.


Have you figured out any way to reset it other than a power cycle?
dash80
adderbrew wrote:
dash80 wrote:
adderbrew wrote:
I didn't see a post about it, but has anyone had it where the files don't display once you've loaded or explored other folders? This seems to be happening to me even with the stock microSD card.


I've had this problem as well.

Usually when there are lots of samples in one folder or when there are multiple folders within one another.


Have you figured out any way to reset it other than a power cycle?


I haven't tried resetting it, per say.

But I did move a bunch of the files out from folders within folders to just one main grouping and that helped reveal some of the missing samples. But I still notice errors when I scroll through them.

*It would help to know I'm cramming mine full of every sample I have on my computer and I use it as a huge sample bank to choose from, not always knowing what I'm looking for. So I usually move on to a different sample when the problem occurs and don't try to fix it in the moment.
adderbrew
That's a pretty good idea! Do you slice within the Bitbox or condition them before import?
Daisuk
adderbrew wrote:
I didn't see a post about it, but has anyone had it where the files don't display once you've loaded or explored other folders? This seems to be happening to me even with the stock microSD card.


Yeah, I've noticed this a lot lately too. Also wavefiles not showing initially, but then showing up eventually. I think I've seen waveform playback lagging as well (so playback on screen is slower than the actual sound), but not 100% on that yet (so very possible that I've just heard wrong).

Also, when I wanted to set a modulation celll to modulate cell 4:4, it will show the numerical 4:4, but visually display 4:3 (with the small squares). Anyone else seen this? Minor bug, of course, so not really any trouble.
pauk
yep, happening here as well,
instead of reset i recall the preset and then i can see files again
and a new bug that's happening lately, the waveform does not update when i change samples it remains the same graphic wave
dash80
adderbrew wrote:
That's a pretty good idea! Do you slice within the Bitbox or condition them before import?


I haven't gotten into the slicing as much as I'd like, but so far, it's all been inside the box.
1010music
Regarding the samples not appearing, does the list eventually catch up if you spin a knob and wait a few seconds?

How many samples do you have in the same folder?

I look forward to hearing more.
makz
will it be possible to have one day (the sooner the better, In fact I don't understand the omission) to have fx1+fx2 as a secondary stereo output (and output 1 and output 2 as 2 mono tracks as well).

I wish it would be possible to choose for each track (row) every possible output configurations, that would be great ! (and while at it same thing for the monitoring of the inputs).
Maybe I am the only one who need that flexibility, but for me it has been really frustrating not having it
dash80
1010music wrote:
Regarding the samples not appearing, does the list eventually catch up if you spin a knob and wait a few seconds?

How many samples do you have in the same folder?

I look forward to hearing more.


I'll pull my card I'm reading from and see how about how many samples I'm dealing with and will try the knob spinning test.

Will report back by tomorrow.
1010music
Dear all,

Here is a beta version with MIDI velocity:

http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bitbox123.zip

For the most up to date, fully tested production versions. Please visit our website: 1010music.com

We look forward to your feedback. Thank you for your support.
glassofwater
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
dash80
1010music wrote:
Dear all,

Here is a beta version with MIDI velocity:

http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bitbox123.zip

For the most up to date, fully tested production versions. Please visit our website: 1010music.com

We look forward to your feedback. Thank you for your support.


screaming goo yo
adderbrew
1010music wrote:
Dear all,

Here is a beta version with MIDI velocity:

http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bitbox123.zip

For the most up to date, fully tested production versions. Please visit our website: 1010music.com

We look forward to your feedback. Thank you for your support.


Awwwww yis hyper

I've already asked Aaron, but does anyone know a good source for 3.5mm TRS to dual 3.5mm TS? Was looking at importing some field recordings in stereo.
schege
No, maks, you are not alone!!! To choose individual outputs for each track (2x stereo / 4x mono and everything in between) would be essential. I have a Malekko MIX4 after the Bitbox and I wish I could feed it with 4 mono outputs to slowly blend between samples.

Also midi-velocity is fine for those who mix Midi with CV control. But for us cv-only-wigglers "Level" would be a beneficial mod destination. But to make a use out of more modulation purposes, we would need more modulation inputs, that is to say the possibility to transmute a trigger input into a mod input.

I also wish I could delete files on the SD card (e.g. recordings which are not in use) this would be advantageous!
Montgomery Word
makz wrote:
will it be possible to have one day (the sooner the better, In fact I don't understand the omission) to have fx1+fx2 as a secondary stereo output (and output 1 and output 2 as 2 mono tracks as well).

I wish it would be possible to choose for each track (row) every possible output configurations, that would be great ! (and while at it same thing for the monitoring of the inputs).
Maybe I am the only one who need that flexibility, but for me it has been really frustrating not having it


+1

my wishlist:

•preset copy/initialize/random fill

•sample auditioning from sample list

•modulation option: track volume

•launch recording of a sample via trigger in, plus options of what the next trigger does-next ends recording, or next plays sample, or next re-records, or next overdubs.

•a cell to be sacrificed as a trigger in to input slice points on another cell.
resample options.

•reverse

i've been really spending more time with the bitbox and i still like it the way it is. just wanna see it keep getting better.
thebrotherspus
Sample auditioning from the sample list is a must for me. I really hope this gets implemented soon. It would make using the bitbox so much faster.
justmat
Montgomery Word wrote:
makz wrote:
will it be possible to have one day (the sooner the better, In fact I don't understand the omission) to have fx1+fx2 as a secondary stereo output (and output 1 and output 2 as 2 mono tracks as well).

I wish it would be possible to choose for each track (row) every possible output configurations, that would be great ! (and while at it same thing for the monitoring of the inputs).
Maybe I am the only one who need that flexibility, but for me it has been really frustrating not having it


+1

my wishlist:

•preset copy/initialize/random fill

•sample auditioning from sample list

•modulation option: track volume

•launch recording of a sample via trigger in, plus options of what the next trigger does-next ends recording, or next plays sample, or next re-records, or next overdubs.

•a cell to be sacrificed as a trigger in to input slice points on another cell.
resample options.

•reverse

i've been really spending more time with the bitbox and i still like it the way it is. just wanna see it keep getting better.





+1 for pretty much all of this
dash80
justmat wrote:
Montgomery Word wrote:
makz wrote:
will it be possible to have one day (the sooner the better, In fact I don't understand the omission) to have fx1+fx2 as a secondary stereo output (and output 1 and output 2 as 2 mono tracks as well).

I wish it would be possible to choose for each track (row) every possible output configurations, that would be great ! (and while at it same thing for the monitoring of the inputs).
Maybe I am the only one who need that flexibility, but for me it has been really frustrating not having it


+1

my wishlist:

•preset copy/initialize/random fill

•sample auditioning from sample list

•modulation option: track volume

•launch recording of a sample via trigger in, plus options of what the next trigger does-next ends recording, or next plays sample, or next re-records, or next overdubs.

•a cell to be sacrificed as a trigger in to input slice points on another cell.
resample options.

•reverse

i've been really spending more time with the bitbox and i still like it the way it is. just wanna see it keep getting better.





+1 for pretty much all of this


+ 2 w00t
Tropic Al
Montgomery Word wrote:
makz wrote:
will it be possible to have one day (the sooner the better, In fact I don't understand the omission) to have fx1+fx2 as a secondary stereo output (and output 1 and output 2 as 2 mono tracks as well).

I wish it would be possible to choose for each track (row) every possible output configurations, that would be great ! (and while at it same thing for the monitoring of the inputs).
Maybe I am the only one who need that flexibility, but for me it has been really frustrating not having it


+1

my wishlist:

•preset copy/initialize/random fill

•sample auditioning from sample list

•modulation option: track volume

•launch recording of a sample via trigger in, plus options of what the next trigger does-next ends recording, or next plays sample, or next re-records, or next overdubs.

•a cell to be sacrificed as a trigger in to input slice points on another cell.
resample options.

•reverse

i've been really spending more time with the bitbox and i still like it the way it is. just wanna see it keep getting better.

+1

And what I would love to see is the ability to move to to the next slice when a cell is triggered automatically.
As there are only 4 mod inputs that can only be routed to one destination if it was possible to set the trigger to move to the next slice for me this would free up the modulation inputs to use for something else.
Alternatively if it was possible to route each of the four modulation inputs to every cell (if you choose them) instead of just one cell then this would be awesome! Hope that this gets implemented at some stage, would really make up for only having 4 inputs.
Thanks Aaron.
cityz3n
+1 for all of the above!

It's already an amazing sampler/looper.
These things would make it just perfect.
1010music
Dear all,

Thanks for all the feature requests. I'm not sure I completely believe you when you say it will be perfect with just a few more things. I have heard that one before smile

We are pleased to announce that the complete bitbox user guide, including 1.2 slicing functionality is now available:

http://1010music.com/bitbox-documentation

Thank you for your support.
schege
What I really don't understand is, that it is impossible to adjust the input gain, altough there are 2 control knobs free on the input side. When I patch from any point of my modular into the inputs of the bitbox to record, it is always too loud. In the moment I solve this problem by patching cables over a mixing desk which is not very handy, when you want record stuff on the fly e.g. in a live situation.
So what now? Should I buy two attenuators for this purpose? Will this be implemented in the next firmware update? In a few months or next year? Is this generally implementable?
I mean, this is such a basic feature – most users want to record on modular level, others on line level – to adjust the level is essential.
So we can't speak of perfection here at all in my opinion.
akrylik
schege wrote:
What I really don't understand is, that it is impossible to adjust the input gain, altough there are 2 control knobs free on the input side. When I patch from any point of my modular into the inputs of the bitbox to record, it is always too loud. In the moment I solve this problem by patching cables over a mixing desk which is not very handy, when you want record stuff on the fly e.g. in a live situation.
So what now? Should I buy two attenuators for this purpose? Will this be implemented in the next firmware update? In a few months or next year? Is this generally implementable?
I mean, this is such a basic feature – most users want to record on modular level, others on line level – to adjust the level is essential.
So we can't speak of perfection here at all in my opinion.


What do you mean by "too loud"? Are you directly connecting the bitbox to an audio interface that has no input attenuation? hmmm..... If so, isn't that something we (as eurorack users) never do?
schege
hey akrylik, of course I don't connect the bitbox directly to an audio interface without input attenuation, hahaha!
But you might have heard that the bitbox has a recording function. Consequently there are two inputs on the bitbox. They need attenuation when you want record modular level. Otherwise the recording gets distorted. This, until now, can't be done on the bitbox, cause there is no input attenuation. You need external attenuators for that, which is not very handy, in my apperception.
akrylik
schege wrote:
hey akrylik, of course I don't connect the bitbox directly to an audio interface without input attenuation, hahaha!
But you might have heard that the bitbox has a recording function. Consequently there are two inputs on the bitbox. They need attenuation when you want record modular level. Otherwise the recording gets distorted. This, until now, can't be done on the bitbox, cause there is no input attenuation. You need external attenuators for that, which is not very handy, in my apperception.


Ah I see...but you cannot do this attenuation after the ADC because it will have already clipped and the information is lost. So either the bitbox has analog attenuation before the converters or it doesn't. There is nothing you can do in firmware.

What is the input voltage range of the bitbox?
akrylik
There are no specs on the website or in the manual about the audio inputs that I can find but there is this statement from bitbox earlier in this thread:

Quote:
Bitbox is meant to handle -5V to +5V on all gate/CV inputs and tolerate voltages outside of that range.


If indeed the audio inputs are also restricted to +/-5V range then you are out of luck. You have to attenuate before the bitbox.
schege
Thanks akrylik for your research! This makes sense.
I'll wait for 1010's answer, but it looks like I have to buy 2 more attenuators.
Sandrine
This reminds of the decision I had to make designing the Reflex Liveloop, audio I/O levels. Eventually it was decided that, because it is to go in line with modular levels it should accept 10Vp-p and output the same (or a bit more). Input gain controls, because of space constraints mostly, wasn't an option.
At that time I thought everyone had a set of attenuator cables like me, and they are easy to find. I was wrong!
Feeding modular levels into any sort of commercial/ industrial level equipment is a terrible idea. The dynamics change in the input circuitry in most cases (a mixer for example) when the input gain is turned to the bottom. This is because the designs assume that the levels are coming down from 2V p-p to just a lower mix level.
A true variable gain attenuator looks quite different, a sort of "H" shaped circuit that attenuates without affecting the following stage's impedance.

The extreme lower section of the input gain is effectively for muting an input but still hearing it's there.
SOme "front ends" have an amp *before* the input gain for balancing or pre-processing and that type of circuit will not bode well with modular levels.

A simple stereo attenuator patch can be made from 4 resistors stuffed inside 1/8" plug housings at the mixer/amp end. 47K's in-line, and 10K's across the outputs on each side.
1010music
schege wrote:
Thanks akrylik for your research! This makes sense.
I'll wait for 1010's answer, but it looks like I have to buy 2 more attenuators.


Thank you akrylik. You basically figured it out: Bitbox has no analog gain controls on the input. We are relying on external gear to get the signal within the +/-5V range that bitbox needs. Software is limited to what it can do in this scenario.

As Sandrine points out, in the modular world it is hard to know what people already have on hand and design completely for it. I personally have a pair of the Malekko Mix 4 modules which work nicely for the input and output of our modules.

Let me know if that does not help.
glassofwater
1010music wrote:
I'm not sure I completely believe you when you say it will be perfect with just a few more things. I have heard that one before smile


all we want is ableton live and an akai s6000 in one module! should be easy enuff

wink
Riggar
all we want is ableton live and an akai s6000 in one module! should be easy enuff

he he!
Daisuk
Is there a limit to the amount of slices you can have in a clip? I've just ran a scan of a sample containing many snare hits in succession, and there's a whole of transients/snares not being detected and sliced (all at the beginning of the clip). It's 7:41 minutes long, mind, and have a lot of snares in it.

Not really a problem per se, but would be curious to know the limit of the amounts of slices per clip. smile
pauk
yep, that's happening to me as well,
apart of the transient slicing I'd like to see a 8 / 16 / 32... quantized slicing applause
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
Is there a limit to the amount of slices you can have in a clip?


Yes, there is a hard limit of 128 slices. We reasoned that selecting slices with MIDI or CV has a fixed limit. Please try starting with a shorter clip.
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Is there a limit to the amount of slices you can have in a clip?


Yes, there is a hard limit of 128 slices. We reasoned that selecting slices with MIDI or CV has a fixed limit. Please try starting with a shorter clip.


Sounds very reasonable. Thanks for the info. smile
Daisuk
Please bear with me, 1010/Aaron, another feature request - it would be ace to be able to name the recordings you sample into Bitbox, as well as be able to either move them into a folder or have them saved to a default folder. thumbs up
YellowBlood
Not sure if this has been said but having the ability to pan individual samples and automation for individual samples.
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
Please bear with me, 1010/Aaron, another feature request - it would be ace to be able to name the recordings you sample into Bitbox, as well as be able to either move them into a folder or have them saved to a default folder. thumbs up


Consider it requested and added to the wish list.
1010music
YellowBlood wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but having the ability to pan individual samples and automation for individual samples.


Thanks for the reminder.
behndy
man WANT.

going through the thread, but it is lonnnnnnnng.

curious -

i saw it mentioned, but is there any plan for a breakout box with multi outs? that would make what already looks like an amaziiiiiiiing module into a PERFECT module.

can one cell be set to gate or choke off another? closed hi hats closing off the open hi hat sound for example?

do y'all sell direct? have them in stock?

thanks!
1010music
behndy wrote:
man WANT. going through the thread, but it is lonnnnnnnng.


Agreed. We are working on getting dedicated forum to be able to break out separate issues.

behndy wrote:
i saw it mentioned, but is there any plan for a breakout box with multi outs? that would make what already looks like an amaziiiiiiiing module into a PERFECT module.


We haven't announced anything, but are certainly keeping this request in mind.

behndy wrote:
can one cell be set to gate or choke off another? closed hi hats closing off the open hi hat sound for example?


You can create exclusive tracks, which are a column of four cells, to do choking.

behndy wrote:
do y'all sell direct? have them in stock?


Yes to both. Please visit our website.
behndy
thank you so much for all the answers! this is DEFINITELY the next on my grab list.

very, VERY delicious.

thanks!
Makingsound
Do you know when you will release the next update please ?

I'm doing a live soon, and i wish i could pan each sound. I use out 1 & 2 as stereo pair, but when i play previous sound recorded in mono, i can't hear them in both output (or i miss something ?)
ywwg
1010music wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for all the feature requests. I'm not sure I completely believe you when you say it will be perfect with just a few more things. I have heard that one before smile

We are pleased to announce that the complete bitbox user guide, including 1.2 slicing functionality is now available:

http://1010music.com/bitbox-documentation

Thank you for your support.


In all honesty, I was a little on the fence about my bitbox and even considered selling it, but after playing around with slice mode and with the addition of midi velocity (not to mention fxbox possibilties!) I'm *definitely* hanging on to it. The steady addition of features has really turned this module into the mini sample computer I was dreaming of!
1010music
Makingsound wrote:
I'm doing a live soon, and i wish i could pan each sound. I use out 1 & 2 as stereo pair, but when i play previous sound recorded in mono, i can't hear them in both output (or i miss something ?)


We haven't formally committed to new updates--but they are coming.

Make sure your source material isn't blank on one side. Bitbox will take mono files and play it on both outputs.
sixnon
Is the slicing function in Bitbox proprietary or can slices be added in software prior to loading an SD card?
1010music
sixnon wrote:
Is the slicing function in Bitbox proprietary or can slices be added in software prior to loading an SD card?


Bitbox doesn't currently support any of the other approaches for recording slices. In encodes them in a proprietary format on the XML file for each preset. You can hack it if you like.

I will add the idea of supporting recycle or acid slices to our wish list. Thanks for writing.
sixnon
No problem, thanks for the clarification.

Actually a discussion on Morphogene stimulated my question, which had been floating about in the background in any case. Seems there's a capacity to write markers to files for that system, but only using Reaper. Other softwares not so.

Given the alignment with Ableton for Bitbox (which I don't use) I wondered if there were also some proprietary marker/slice system.

Edit: I just had a look at the XML file and the manner in which the slicing is performed very simple and clear, and there's probably a lot of potential for happy accidents in hacking those numbers of slice position - even more so if there were the potential for live access to the SD card!

Further edit: of course I realise that the live access to SD card not a function of the unit and was not suggesting it as a lack or something suggested as potential feature.
Shledge
Really tempted to get this as a flexible groovebox for making my own drum samples.

Am I able to change samples on the fly via CV?
Daisuk
Shledge wrote:
Really tempted to get this as a flexible groovebox for making my own drum samples.

Am I able to change samples on the fly via CV?


You can change slices on the fly with CV, or trigger "scenes" (4x4 tracks/samples, similar to Ableton Live - it's explained in the manual), but you can't say load 5 samples into a slot and CV in between them. But, you know, load those five samples into one wave file, load that onto the module, chop it up, and CV between slices all you wish. smile
Shledge
Ah cool, didn't think of using slices as a method of switching sounds on the same slot.

I like the ability to do synced recording to specific bars for looping, while following the same clock. Would really help open up some avenues there too.
seek
This is great to hear.

Can anyone provide any details on what options are provided? Is it just a set change in volume based on the midi velocity, or is it a modulation source with available scaling that can change the slice, or...?

1010music wrote:
Dear all,

Here is a beta version with MIDI velocity:

http://1010music.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bitbox123.zip

For the most up to date, fully tested production versions. Please visit our website: 1010music.com

We look forward to your feedback. Thank you for your support.
1010music
seek wrote:
This is great to hear.

Can anyone provide any details on what options are provided? Is it just a set change in volume based on the midi velocity, or is it a modulation source with available scaling that can change the slice, or...?



In this beta version, the incoming MIDI velocity only changes the volume of the note. What would you like to see if the velocity were available as a modulation source?
thelizard
1010music wrote:
seek wrote:
This is great to hear.

Can anyone provide any details on what options are provided? Is it just a set change in volume based on the midi velocity, or is it a modulation source with available scaling that can change the slice, or...?



In this beta version, the incoming MIDI velocity only changes the volume of the note. What would you like to see if the velocity were available as a modulation source?


I would imagine two modes: Amp and Velocity

Amp: Changes the level of the sample, even mid-playback

Velocity: When the sample trigger is received, it will measure the current Velocity voltage and use that for the playback of the entire sample (similar to MIDI velocity)
sixnon
I have a question regarding an unpowered bitbox. I have an out of a Bitbox going to a Yamaha mixer. Outputs are expected with both triggered samples and throughs from the inputs.

Today I had an LFO from a Moog Mother 32 modifying a sample in a Bitbox. Again sample was output and modified as expected. I have the bitbox in a rack along with a Tempi and Maths powered by a uZeus. When I powered down the uZeus the LFO signal going into the mod slot in the Bitbox was still outputting to the mixer as a low thud with a little noise at the top of the cycle.

Upon working out it was this which was causing the issue I moved the LFO in to other slots on the Bitbox and every one elicited the same noise output at the outs.

Can any one explain this for me?
batch
Just got my BitBox and loving it. Awesome module and can see an FXBox in my future.

Feature request (apologies if previously requested). It would be awesome if you could route the CV modulators to multiple destinations instead of just one.

Would be even cooler if you could use the Trigger ins as CV mod ins when using MIDI to trigger the samples.

This is a great module, very intuitive!
1010music
Armstrb wrote:
Just got my BitBox and loving it. Awesome module and can see an FXBox in my future.

Feature request (apologies if previously requested). It would be awesome if you could route the CV modulators to multiple destinations instead of just one.

Would be even cooler if you could use the Trigger ins as CV mod ins when using MIDI to trigger the samples.

This is a great module, very intuitive!


Thanks for dropping us a line. Being able to route the modulators to multiple destinations is a popular request. I also appreciate the suggestion on where to put additional modulators as this is an important follow up question.

Aaron
sixnon
sixnon wrote:
I have a question regarding an unpowered bitbox. I have an out of a Bitbox going to a Yamaha mixer. Outputs are expected with both triggered samples and throughs from the inputs.

Today I had an LFO from a Moog Mother 32 modifying a sample in a Bitbox. Again sample was output and modified as expected. I have the bitbox in a rack along with a Tempi and Maths powered by a uZeus. When I powered down the uZeus the LFO signal going into the mod slot in the Bitbox was still outputting to the mixer as a low thud with a little noise at the top of the cycle.

Upon working out it was this which was causing the issue I moved the LFO in to other slots on the Bitbox and every one elicited the same noise output at the outs.

Can any one explain this for me?


Aaron, are you able to shed any light here?
1010music
sixnon wrote:
Today I had an LFO from a Moog Mother 32 modifying a sample in a Bitbox. Again sample was output and modified as expected. I have the bitbox in a rack along with a Tempi and Maths powered by a uZeus. When I powered down the uZeus the LFO signal going into the mod slot in the Bitbox was still outputting to the mixer as a low thud with a little noise at the top of the cycle.

Upon working out it was this which was causing the issue I moved the LFO in to other slots on the Bitbox and every one elicited the same noise output at the outs.


Sixnon, I am not sure I understand you. Let me try and answer your question anyway:

We recommend that you avoid driving the CV and gate inputs of Bitbox with more than +/-8V. You won't damage the unit if you do. There is the potential to introduce audible noise on the output if you drive the inputs too hard.

If you are having trouble with the Bitbox doing something strange while it is powered off, please turn it on. We never designed for this scenario.

Please let me know if this does not help.
sixnon
Thanks Aaron,

The voltage was coming from a Mother 32 at +/-5V, so no excessive voltage there, and the running of the Bitbox powered off was unintentional. The rack in which it say was mounted was powered off, and I forgot I still had the Mother 32 providing that LFO. Just wondered if there was any immediately obvious explanation for that voltage to be making it's way through to the outs, as there seem to be many here who have a tremendous amount more knowledge about the functioning of circuitry than I.

Nonetheless you've answered my question "Don't run voltage into it off!" My question was sponsored by a desire to not do harm, so I'd say this adequately covers that!

Thanks again.
Shledge
I don't think it's an issue - I've had modules pass sound through slightly when off if there's something plugged into them. Doubt it would damage anything (I had one case of were it was happening for days because I accidentally left a synth on - no issues), and anything up to 12v won't really break anything.
spruce999
are there choke groups in bitbox?
sixnon
Shledge wrote:
I don't think it's an issue - I've had modules pass sound through slightly when off if there's something plugged into them. Doubt it would damage anything (I had one case of were it was happening for days because I accidentally left a synth on - no issues), and anything up to 12v won't really break anything.


Thanks Shledge, I know next to nothing about the circuitry which seems a rarity amongst Eurorack users..I'm just in it for the sounds!
Villarceau
I have read the manual and this thread, but I am not assured there is a way to fine-tune a sample for playback without modulating it? Say I have a sample from a previous session I want to use again and the pitch is not quite right. Even useful for percussive sounds. I see it is possible to tune with semi-tones but I would probably need something more precise. Can this be done with the bitbox?
Daisuk
I've noticed that the auto-slice feature sometimes is a bit too sensitive. I've loaded in wave files with very clear transients (basically just one drum hit at a time put sequentially in a wave file), but when auto-slicing, Bitbox will add a whole lot of slices to empty sections of the sample, instead of just detecting where the sound starts.

Is there any way to fix this or maybe put in a control to make the threshold less sensitive?
pauk
as I said before, it could be cool to have a quantized slicing option, by 8, 16, 32 64 since transients don't always work as expected.
behndy
woot! have a Box Of Bittery Sample Wobblins en route!
thebrotherspus
Daisuk wrote:
I've noticed that the auto-slice feature sometimes is a bit too sensitive. I've loaded in wave files with very clear transients (basically just one drum hit at a time put sequentially in a wave file), but when auto-slicing, Bitbox will add a whole lot of slices to empty sections of the sample, instead of just detecting where the sound starts.

Is there any way to fix this or maybe put in a control to make the threshold less sensitive?


I've had this issue also. The auto slice was detecting tiny bits of background sound in between the notes on an autoharp track I was working with.
batch
Hey Aaron - what I was thinking was as simple as sending the same modulator CV to multiple cells using the options you already have (i.e. Pitch, slice select, etc.).

In some ways it would be cool if you could flip the UI, do you have a mod page for each cell where all the possible destinations for the cell are and then you could choose the mod source from a drop down. It would mean you could have multiple mods per cell and multiple cells per mod. Make sense? Appreciate it might not be possible or too CPU intensive or something.

If going down this path would also be able to have an attentuverter on the assignment.

If you asked me to prioritize then pitch and slice select are the ones I'd want most using the existing mod inputs (vs the trigs). I use the atomic slices a lot and use PP to select new samples.

Hope this helps
1010music
First, sorry for the delay. We are working on creating a dedicated forum to allow us to have multiple conversations--instead of one long confusing one.

Quote:
are there choke groups in bitbox?


Please check out the exclusive track mode. It allows you to make a single column of cells interrupt one another. While not exactly a choke group, it does offer something like it.

Quote:
... is a way to fine-tune a sample for playback without modulating it?


Yes. The pitch control in each cell is expressed in semitones and lets you specify as little as 0.01 semitone adjustments.

Quote:
I've noticed that the auto-slice feature sometimes is a bit too sensitive.


Having a sensitivity control would be nice. Keep in mind, you can always manually delete the false slices.

Quote:
as I said before, it could be cool to have a quantized slicing option, by 8, 16, 32 64 since transients don't always work as expected.


Now on the wishlist. Thanks for the suggestion.

Quote:
Hey Aaron - what I was thinking was as simple as sending the same modulator CV to multiple cells using the options you already have (i.e. Pitch, slice select, etc.).


This is a popular request and we are looking at ways to solve it. It does involve some major changes, so please be patient on this one.

Thank you very much,

Aaron
behndy
got mines in, tonight is WOOT TIME.

lol. would search the thread, buuuut the search tool is kaput right now.

does one need to copy samples to just the root folder of the memory card? or are child folders okay?
thelizard
behndy wrote:
got mines in, tonight is WOOT TIME.

lol. would search the thread, buuuut the search tool is kaput right now.

does one need to copy samples to just the root folder of the memory card? or are child folders okay?


Child folders work! They weren't there in the initial version.
behndy
awesooooommeeeee!

lol. you have KNOWLEDGE. almost as if.... you had one... that i now possess.

WOOOOOT!
behndy
oop. also, i remember a discussion about sliced formats, but can't remember (and search doesna show), but do rex or rx2 files work?

i'd just load some and check, but my case didna show up and i'd have to rip stuff out of my main case to set it up right now.

TOMORROW. WOOT.

also, is there a limit on the size of the micro SD card the Bitbox can use?
digidandy
behndy wrote:
oop. also, i remember a discussion about sliced formats, but can't remember (and search doesna show), but do rex or rx2 files work?


Nope.
behndy
coooool. thanks!

is there a limit on Micro SD card size? just ordered a 32 gig, which should he PLENTY. but. CURIOUSITIES. I HAVE.
1010music
behndy wrote:
is there a limit on Micro SD card size? just ordered a 32 gig, which should he PLENTY. but. CURIOUSITIES. I HAVE.


I'm not aware of any limits on the microSD card size. We have successfully tests 32GB cards.
behndy
wonnnnnnderful! lol. i really could have just waited and popped it in, like i did, but thank you!
behndy
woot question question.

(i am checking the manual first when i can't figure something out)

is there a way to audition a sound on the SD card before loading it into a cell? because that would be BOSS.
Daisuk
behndy wrote:
woot question question.

(i am checking the manual first when i can't figure something out)

is there a way to audition a sound on the SD card before loading it into a cell? because that would be BOSS.


No, not possible at the moment, but much requested. Would be boss, indeed! w00t
behndy
yesssss PLEASE.

...... is your avatar pic from the first U.N.K.L.E. album? or another awesome piece of art i'm Ignorance Butts about?
Makingsound
1010music wrote:
Make sure your source material isn't blank on one side. Bitbox will take mono files and play it on both outputs.


A mono file recorded into Bitbox should play on both output ? Because it's not the case right now.

I know that you already have the biggest wish list of the world, but before adding anything too fancy, you should consider adding the most basic/essential functionnality :

- Pan
- Change FX1/FX2 for Out3/Out4 (and let them be selected as propre output)
- Sample preview before loading into slot

nanners

Another idea for a new iteration of this hardware/architecture : an alternative to Malekko Voltage Block. I wish i could send all the Bitbox input/ouptut to a Basimilus Iteritas and friends.
Daisuk
behndy wrote:
yesssss PLEASE.

...... is your avatar pic from the first U.N.K.L.E. album? or another awesome piece of art i'm Ignorance Butts about?


Zak Smith. It's a little tiny corner from a big drawing he has. Pure genius. Nsfw.

http://www.zaxart.com

You'll find some more interesting drawings if you just search his name with Google image search. smile
behndy
Daisuk wrote:
behndy wrote:
yesssss PLEASE.

...... is your avatar pic from the first U.N.K.L.E. album? or another awesome piece of art i'm Ignorance Butts about?


Zak Smith. It's a little tiny corner from a big drawing he has. Pure genius. Nsfw.

http://www.zaxart.com

You'll find some more interesting drawings if you just search his name with Google image search. smile


niiiiiice! time to dive through his very awesome works.
Daisuk
behndy wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
behndy wrote:
yesssss PLEASE.

...... is your avatar pic from the first U.N.K.L.E. album? or another awesome piece of art i'm Ignorance Butts about?


Zak Smith. It's a little tiny corner from a big drawing he has. Pure genius. Nsfw.

http://www.zaxart.com

You'll find some more interesting drawings if you just search his name with Google image search. smile


niiiiiice! time to dive through his very awesome works.


Very off-topic now, but check out his sketchbook blog thingie. It's ace!
http://zaksmith.tumblr.com/
behndy
verrrrrrrrrry cool. reminds me some times of Michael Gaydos in his Alias work, and some times of Sandman stuff. but his own style of that.

DIG IT.
DruidTek
So, I've had this module for about a week and I really LOVE it! Fantastic work, Aaron and crew!!

The pitch shifting is very smooth... almost like having one of my old Akai samplers in my system, and I find the workflow to be very similar...
I thought I'd be using it just for drums, but you can fully sculpt sound in it and I have written half a dozen complete tracks with it so far.
You know an instrument is good when the inspiration flows like that!
It also gave me a reason to go through my massive sample library and pick out the best stuff to put on the micro SD, which makes it easier to work quickly, and is something I've been meaning to do for years. hihi

Here's my additions to the feature list:

Main Screen

- Drag & drop (or copy & paste) samples between cells
- Double tap to delete sample (with an "ok" prompt)

Preset Screen

- Drag & drop (or copy and paste) presets between locations
- Option to name presets

Mod Cell Screen

- Modulators can be applied to whole track

Menu Screen

- Can the beat/bar counter be moved here? I understand it's needed, but it's quite distracting and it takes up precious screen space. A small flashing indicator that changes colour on beat 1 would suffice on of the most screens, in my opinion.

There's an empty space here for a settings menu, where this could be turned on/off (or switched between counter/indicator), perhaps?

Clip Info Screens

- Individual output assign per clip.
At the moment if you want to process something separately, like send a snare drum to a delay, or a bass sound to a filter, you have to sacrifice 3 cells. sad banana

- Move the 'Level' and 'Pitch' settings to the top right control knob, next to the 'info' button. I found these to be the most commonly used settings BY FAR.

Pushing the info button and then having to negotiate patch cables (or use your other hand) to reach the bottom left control knob makes it much fiddlier for live performance. Perhaps control knob assignment could also be in the aforementioned "settings" menu?

Slice Submenu

- Zoom In/Out slider or button/s

Slices need to be accurate and on zero crossings. At the moment, with something like a processed Amen break, you can hardly make out the transients, let alone get an accurate slicing position.

Tracks Screen

I think this could be geared more towards live performance:

- Faders for each Track
- Mute and Solo buttons for each track
- Exclusive mode button with cell selection



Some other deeper but very welcome features are:

- Volume Envelopes
- Multi-band filter per cell
- Velocity layering
behndy
i'm still just using her as a sequenced sample player, but i already LOVE the layout.

quick idea sketch -


digidandy
Been playing with the Bitbox for the last few days, and while the module definitely has potential, the by far most annoying thing is how sensitive it is to modulation sources.

As has been mentioned by others, there's a high pitched whine if the modulation source exceeds 5V (I guess?), so if you have a trigger that is too strong, or a modulation source (say, anything from Make Noise) that goes too high, there WILL be high pitched noise (constant pitch) added to the sample.

I find it strange that I would have to send many of my modulation sources through an attenuator before going into the bitbox, but that seems to be the only solution?
recoveryeffects
I'm loving the idea of this.
Koryo
Wait, hold the phone...

Are you telling me I can map the top 8 Beatstep Pro trigger pads to the BitBox via MIDI with velocity and aftertouch and have the lower 8 to other traditional modules?!!
Montgomery Word
Koryo wrote:
Wait, hold the phone...

Are you telling me I can map the top 8 Beatstep Pro trigger pads to the BitBox via MIDI with velocity and aftertouch and have the lower 8 to other traditional modules?!!


yes. i do it with mpc1000.
Montgomery Word
digidandy wrote:
Been playing with the Bitbox for the last few days, and while the module definitely has potential, the by far most annoying thing is how sensitive it is to modulation sources.

As has been mentioned by others, there's a high pitched whine if the modulation source exceeds 5V (I guess?), so if you have a trigger that is too strong, or a modulation source (say, anything from Make Noise) that goes too high, there WILL be high pitched noise (constant pitch) added to the sample.

I find it strange that I would have to send many of my modulation sources through an attenuator before going into the bitbox, but that seems to be the only solution?


i've not had this problem. but then again, i have only sent it lfo's and sequencer cv.
Montgomery Word
DruidTek wrote:
So, I've had this module for about a week and I really LOVE it! Fantastic work, Aaron and crew!!

The pitch shifting is very smooth... almost like having one of my old Akai samplers in my system, and I find the workflow to be very similar...
I thought I'd be using it just for drums, but you can fully sculpt sound in it and I have written half a dozen complete tracks with it so far.
You know an instrument is good when the inspiration flows like that!
It also gave me a reason to go through my massive sample library and pick out the best stuff to put on the micro SD, which makes it easier to work quickly, and is something I've been meaning to do for years. hihi

Here's my additions to the feature list:

Main Screen

- Drag & drop (or copy & paste) samples between cells
- Double tap to delete sample (with an "ok" prompt)

Preset Screen

- Drag & drop (or copy and paste) presets between locations
- Option to name presets

Mod Cell Screen

- Modulators can be applied to whole track

Menu Screen

- Can the beat/bar counter be moved here? I understand it's needed, but it's quite distracting and it takes up precious screen space. A small flashing indicator that changes colour on beat 1 would suffice on of the most screens, in my opinion.

There's an empty space here for a settings menu, where this could be turned on/off (or switched between counter/indicator), perhaps?

Clip Info Screens

- Individual output assign per clip.
At the moment if you want to process something separately, like send a snare drum to a delay, or a bass sound to a filter, you have to sacrifice 3 cells. sad banana

- Move the 'Level' and 'Pitch' settings to the top right control knob, next to the 'info' button. I found these to be the most commonly used settings BY FAR.

Pushing the info button and then having to negotiate patch cables (or use your other hand) to reach the bottom left control knob makes it much fiddlier for live performance. Perhaps control knob assignment could also be in the aforementioned "settings" menu?

Slice Submenu

- Zoom In/Out slider or button/s

Slices need to be accurate and on zero crossings. At the moment, with something like a processed Amen break, you can hardly make out the transients, let alone get an accurate slicing position.

Tracks Screen

I think this could be geared more towards live performance:

- Faders for each Track
- Mute and Solo buttons for each track
- Exclusive mode button with cell selection



Some other deeper but very welcome features are:

- Volume Envelopes
- Multi-band filter per cell
- Velocity layering


+1 on all this. such great ideas!

i wish for the 1010 bitbox fairy to bring parasite firmware possibilities.
spruce999
1010music wrote:
First, sorry for the delay. We are working on creating a dedicated forum to allow us to have multiple conversations--instead of one long confusing one.

Quote:
are there choke groups in bitbox?


Please check out the exclusive track mode. It allows you to make a single column of cells interrupt one another. While not exactly a choke group, it does offer something like it.

Quote:
... is a way to fine-tune a sample for playback without modulating it?


Yes. The pitch control in each cell is expressed in semitones and lets you specify as little as 0.01 semitone adjustments.

Quote:
I've noticed that the auto-slice feature sometimes is a bit too sensitive.


Having a sensitivity control would be nice. Keep in mind, you can always manually delete the false slices.

Quote:
as I said before, it could be cool to have a quantized slicing option, by 8, 16, 32 64 since transients don't always work as expected.


Now on the wishlist. Thanks for the suggestion.

Quote:
Hey Aaron - what I was thinking was as simple as sending the same modulator CV to multiple cells using the options you already have (i.e. Pitch, slice select, etc.).


This is a popular request and we are looking at ways to solve it. It does involve some major changes, so please be patient on this one.

Thank you very much,

Aaron


I think that choke groups are essential part of every sampler. It's common to use open and closed hi hat. I think you should consider that in future update so more users will be attracted. I bought your product and I'm happy with it but for sure it needs some tweaks to become standard in many racks. Many thanks and wish you best!
Hirsbro
Daisuk wrote:
behndy wrote:
woot question question.

(i am checking the manual first when i can't figure something out)

is there a way to audition a sound on the SD card before loading it into a cell? because that would be BOSS.


No, not possible at the moment, but much requested. Would be boss, indeed! w00t


Ah damn! That's a deal breaker for me. The screen and a visual way to navigate through samples on a card was the biggest attraction for me
batch
Two minor requests

1. In slice view would like to be able to scroll the wave form using the encoders. Think this would be more accurate than using the touch screen.
2. When selecting a slice using the encoder would be great if the wave form view moved to that location.

Reason for asks is that I use sample files with a bunch of kicks, another with a bunch of snares, etc. it's quite laborious checking all the slices are correctly placed.

Love the module!
Montgomery Word
i have a bitbox for sale if anyone is interested!
Daisuk
Armstrb wrote:
Two minor requests

1. In slice view would like to be able to scroll the wave form using the encoders. Think this would be more accurate than using the touch screen.
2. When selecting a slice using the encoder would be great if the wave form view moved to that location.

Reason for asks is that I use sample files with a bunch of kicks, another with a bunch of snares, etc. it's quite laborious checking all the slices are correctly placed.

Love the module!


Second this! Scrolling with the touch screen is a bit finicky.
akrylik
Montgomery Word wrote:
i have a bitbox for sale if anyone is interested!


Harsh! eek!
Eurocat
Is it possible to loop easily with this yet? I have it but never use it cause you can't loop on a single channel. It's such a pain to have to set up another channel when you want to do a simple loop. If this isn't added soon or hasn't been already I may sell it
batch
OK, so just encountered a major bug.

Spent a lot of time yesterday configuring my BitBox with wave files with multiple samples on them (i.e., bottom left is 50 different types of kicks, etc.). Had to go through all these files getting the slices in the right place. Did this for all 16 slots in Preset 1 as want this to be my default set up.

Overall the Auto slice functionality works pretty well, however have found that there are places where it adds a ton of slices on top of silence (I have 0.5s gaps between samples in the file) so you have to manually go through at remove a lot of them. I also found that many of the samples it just missed, particularly at the end of the file. Am guessing because it might have hit the slice limit with all the random ones it added.

Anyway, bit of a pain in the ass, but worth it as think this is a one time thing.

BUT ... powered up my system and its all gone. Everything in Preset 1 has completely disappeared.

There is nothing wrong with the SD card. It loads up everything in Presets 2, etc. (which are the original ones that came with it) without any issues. But all the work I did yesterday has gone. Basically lost about 2 hours of work.

So this leads me to another request.

I also have an ER301. I think it handles slicing better and it would be great to get something similar implemented in the Bitbox as I really do like the Bitbox and think its great for what it does.

In the ER301 when you go through and create slices in a sample, it creates a slice file for that specific sample file which it stores right there in the same folder with the original sample. Importantly, when you then load that sample again into another slot it automatically reads the file.

In other words if you have spent a ton of time creating slices on a sample and then decide you want to have it somewhere else, you don't have to do all the work again, its done. I think this is a lot more efficient than the Bitbox as at the moment you basically have to start again each time you load a sample.

This is further annoying when you get into preset saving. Because this is all done in the background (which should be quite nice), it creates work if you change your mind.

For example, lets say you are working in Preset 3 and get half way through setting up all the files/ slices, etc. But now you decide you want to go in a different direction, and would like to have half of what you are doing in Preset 4 and the reset in the Preset you are working in. Well you can't. If you load Preset 4 you are starting from a blank slate and have to do everything again.

This could easily be rectified with a "save to" capability.

Anyway, I really do like this module, bugs aside.
DruidTek
As a workaround, you could copy and paste files between the folders on the sd card to move your presets around.
batch
DruidTek wrote:
As a workaround, you could copy and paste files between the folders on the sd card to move your presets around.


Don't think you can do that. Unless am missing something, everything seems to be stored in a "bin" file.
1010music
DruidTek wrote:
As a workaround, you could copy and paste files between the folders on the sd card to move your presets around.


Let me confirm that each preset is a separate XML file. You can even edit them with a text editor if needed.
1010music
All,

I know we have fallen a little behind on the feature requests. Let me commit to having a beta version by July 21 that includes previewing and other enhancements to be named later.

Thank you for your support.

The 1010music Team.
1010music
Eurocat wrote:
Is it possible to loop easily with this yet? I have it but never use it cause you can't loop on a single channel. It's such a pain to have to set up another channel when you want to do a simple loop. If this isn't added soon or hasn't been already I may sell it


Help me see why you would want to overdub an existing loop when you have 16 slots to use? I agree that there is room for improvement with the automatic ending of recording and starting of playback on a loop. Starting a new recording is only two touches. What am I missing?
1010music
Armstrb wrote:
OK, so just encountered a major bug.


I hate hearing stories of lost work and want to fix this. Did you do anything unusual that would help us track this one down?

Armstrb wrote:
In the ER301 when you go through and create slices in a sample, it creates a slice file for that specific sample file which it stores right there in the same folder with the original sample. Importantly, when you then load that sample again into another slot it automatically reads the file.


That's a good idea. We will keep it in mind.

Armstrb wrote:
...this could easily be rectified with a "save to" capability.


The situation with auto save/save as is a tough one. On the desktop, you have a long legacy of manual Save/Save As which carries with it the pending changes paradox. If you don't or forget to save, it is gone. On the iPhone and iPad, you typically see auto save and save in place happening with the ability to duplicate a preset at a higher level. We went with the iOS model. I would love to hear what everyone else thinks about having stuff saved automatically or not.

Thanks very much for your support.
cityz3n
1010music wrote:
All,

I know we have fallen a little behind on the feature requests. Let me commit to having a beta version by July 21 that includes previewing and other enhancements to be named later.

Thank you for your support.

The 1010music Team.


That's really nice to hear.
Thanks!
batch
1010music wrote:
Armstrb wrote:
OK, so just encountered a major bug.


I hate hearing stories of lost work and want to fix this. Did you do anything unusual that would help us track this one down?



Not that I am aware of. But now I know what the XML files are I took a look inside. Firstly, the file has lost the file names in all but one of the cells. Secondly, there are no slices details. That's all gone. The cell it still has the filename in is the first of the 16 I did. This includes the ones I had done earlier that had been fine for several power cycles.

So ... it looks like as it wrote the files after I made the changes to that one it had a problem of some form.

Few thoughts - maybe a backup (at least for a session or two) so changes could be reverted in the event of a problem. Given there is no save/ commit.

Maybe it's the size of the file? My waves are 25mb each and have 50 slices in them. They are at 48khz/16bit.
1010music
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team
cityz3n
That's amazing!

Thanks!

1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team
gotascii
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team


we're not worthy
tFunk
we're not worthy thank you 1010 developers!
pauk
w00t thanks so much 1010music team!
Ras Thavas
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team


Very nice indeed, thanks 1010!
Daisuk
Awesome update! Thanks a lot 1010, a great module just got even better! we're not worthy
digidandy
Wohoo! Just bought the Bitbox, now this. Great timing!
artistcalled6
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.



now if only fxbox had 4 inputs.... wink

thanks for this update, good stuff!

Guinness ftw!
thebrotherspus
Nice!!!! This is fun!
behndy
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team


yissssssssssssss! veryyyyyyyy excited. thanks!
artistcalled6
not sure where the current *wish list* is at, but might be cool to slice a sample and have an option to export each slice (up to 16) to the 4x4 grid, and/or an option to just select a single slice and send it to a specified cell.

also per slice length modulation, or length modulation based that works in atomic mode, per slice settings would be cool (which i think could be accomplished by exporting slices to cells).

not that im not appreciative of the firmware just released, i love it with my whole body...I'm just excited about the module's potential.

hyper
batch
Nice job 1010. Looking forward to putting the new firmware through its paces.
DruidTek
Awesome update 1010!

I'm currently using the BSP's drum sequencer to trigger the cells and the pitch & velocity outputs of the other 2 sequencers assigned to "Ptch 1V/Oct" for all 4 rows...

Which brings it up to a total of 16 voices!!

applause w00t SlayerBadger! MY ASS IS BLEEDING Dead Banana
Rave Angst
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

Dear all,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new beta version with several of your top requests fulfilled:
1) Previewing of samples from the load screen
2) Modulation of gain
3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.
4) A play button on the record screen that allows you to stop recording and begin looped playback of your recording in time with the music.
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

There are also a number of bug fixes:
1) Improved timing from gate inputs
2) Slice selection now uses the entire -5V to 5V input range with 1V/Octave semitones mapping to each slice.
3) Export to Ableton now supports WAV files in subdirectories.

Please consider this software to be an unproven beta version. Please install at your own risk. We look forward to hearing your feedback, suggestions, comments, and bug reports.

Bitbox 1.3.0 Firmware

Thank you very much for your support.

The 1010music Team


Yes! Awesome Update 1010Music! Many Thank's!!!!
dykehouse
I just bought this today and applied the update, I am in love with this sampler and thank you so much for making this 1010, it is a treasure! Sampling is so dead easy, navigation is intuitive and a breeze as well. Being able to modulate all tha samples at once is insanely cool-I am using a voltage block and Varigate 8 plus to sequence pitch changes across the board. So much fun! I really love this module, so happy and it will be the heart in my small case. So excited:)
Daisuk
I just got to install the new firmware - unsure how the preview feature is supposed to work. I'm in the load screen scrolling over files, but not hearing anything. Is there something I need to activate in order to get the previewing to work?

Edit - is the it the "play" button? It seems to only output sound on Out1 here. Also, it would be a lot more handy, in my opinion, if it just auto-played a file if you scrolled over it (kind of like Maschine does) instead of having to press "play" for every single file you scroll over, or better yet, that it played the file upon receiving incoming trigs to the associated input (that way you could have a beat going, and introduce new sounds into the beat more organically by quickly scrolling through a list of sounds while the tune is playing and hearing which sounds fit where). Having to press "play" to preview every file sort of defeats the purpose of having a preview, in my opinion, but I'm probably just hard to please - sorry. d'oh! lol
DruidTek
I agree with Daisuk, the play button is great, but preview from incoming triggers / scrolling would be so much better!

@ Daisuk - check what output is assigned to each column of cells on the "tracks" page
emp
Just got my Bitbox today and already like it a lot. I've been reading through this thread and agree with most of the feature requests. Some things i missed instantly was:
- the possibility to route individual cells to different outputs, bypassing the channel concept
- volume envelopes for each cell
- the possibility to route modulation inputs to any combination of cells (the new beta fw is of course a great improvement of the previous one, but could be even better)
- the possibility to use the gate/trigger inputs as cv inputs (per cell that is!) e.g. to be able to use them as gates/triggers carrying level values (like midi velocity), slice selection etc

But even without this, it's an awesome module.
Daisuk
DruidTek wrote:
I agree with Daisuk, the play button is great, but preview from incoming triggers / scrolling would be so much better!

@ Daisuk - check what output is assigned to each column of cells on the "tracks" page


Yeah, I checked that. I have set track 1 to output on FX1, but when previewing files from track one, nothing is output on FX1, but instead on Out1.
tFunk
I'm not sure if I'd like the auto-preview when scrolling, but previewing on incoming triggers sounds like a very good idea.
digidandy
Don't want previewing on incoming triggers as standard, but perhaps as an option. But preview should play on all outputs at once, it doesn't make sense otherwise. Sometimes you work with just out1 and/or out2, or maybe you just work with fx1. You shouldn't need to repatch to hear a preview of a sample.
emp
A little note:
I think it would be better to change the label "Del" under "Sample" to "Clear". Delete sounds to me that i'm actually deleting the file from the SD card. But maybe that's just me?

And a slightly more wild idea (sorry...):
I tried the fxbox firmware now as well. Would it be possible to make a combination of the two firmwares in the future where the user could select if a cell should be a bitbox cell or an fxbox cell? Of course i realize that this may require mayor changes in the code and signal flow, but it would make an already awesome module even more so. And more modular too! love
RGB
I have been looking at the bitbox for some time now and this most recent firmware update might have convinced me to pull the trigger (with the 4 individual mono outs!!).

I am wondering if it would be possible for 1010 to add a "random" mode in an upcoming firmware revision? I feel that this module lends itself very nicely to a random mode (which could work similarly to circadian rhythms or something) with random functionality to cv within the current selected grid along with the possibility to randomly cv through the various pre-set grids.

I am not sure if this is already a possibility (since I don't currently own a bitbox) or if others would like this sort of option, but, it would be a big selling point for me.
RGB
Could someone confirm if the below scenario is possible... I am not seeing it in the manual unless I missed it ..?

4,1 4,2 4,3 4,4
3,1 3,2 3,3 3,4
2,1 2,2 2,3 2,4
1,1 1,2 1,3 1,4

Can you use CV to modulate horizontally throughout a row (4,1 4,2 4,3 4,4) or vertically throughout a column (4,1 3,1 2,1 1,1) in some manner or is the cv modulation of this sort isolated to slices within a cell?

Example: If I wanted to use a 4 track CV/trigger sequencer like SH mkii to trigger different samples in a row or column based on voltage (assigning one track to each row or column). Would this be possible?

Thanks in advance for any insight.
batch
Yes, this is possible with the new beta firmware
RGB
Armstrb wrote:
Yes, this is possible with the new beta firmware


Thanks for confirming. HURRAY new beta firmware!!!!!
I am afraid that would have been a deal breaker for me.

It is very reassuring to see 1010's commitment to hearing user input and making upgrades to the firmware based on this feedback.
batch
Agreed. The new firmware is pretty cool.

The way it works is that you can modulate a parameter (i.e, pitch, scene slice selection, etc.) in either a cell, row, column or all of them using one of the ins.

The new firmware also enables you to modulate gain.
Daisuk
I've been trying to record this loop I've got synced out of Ableton Live to Bitbox, but I'm getting an error message "not ready to record". I've not seen that before, and there's no mention of it in the manual that I could find. Anyone else experienced this and know what's up? I have audio going through Bitbox being monitored (so there's definitely sound), but it just won't record.

I'll drop 1010 a mail unless someone chimes in. Might be that I'm missing something obvious.

Edit - I turned the system off and back on again, and with the exact same settings, it worked. So possibly a bug?
1010music
Daisuk wrote:
I've been trying to record this loop I've got synced out of Ableton Live to Bitbox, but I'm getting an error message "not ready to record".


Sorry to hear about the difficulty. Try taking your microSD card to your computer and scan the file system. On Mac, this is inside Disk Utility and is called First Aid. I forget the equivalent on Windows.

Also try clearing out any dead or extra recordings.

Let us know if this does not help.
Daisuk
1010music wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I've been trying to record this loop I've got synced out of Ableton Live to Bitbox, but I'm getting an error message "not ready to record".


Sorry to hear about the difficulty. Try taking your microSD card to your computer and scan the file system. On Mac, this is inside Disk Utility and is called First Aid. I forget the equivalent on Windows.

Also try clearing out any dead or extra recordings.

Let us know if this does not help.


Hey, thanks, I will! smile I haven't experienced it again during any of the sessions since yesterday.
digidandy
This puzzles me: Is there a way to just STOP a sample from playing. When I turn on my Bitbox, and for example enter sample slot #1, the sample is playing automatically. I see no way to just stop the sample from playing.

Am I missing something obvious?
Daisuk
digidandy wrote:
This puzzles me: Is there a way to just STOP a sample from playing. When I turn on my Bitbox, and for example enter sample slot #1, the sample is playing automatically. I see no way to just stop the sample from playing.

Am I missing something obvious?


Set trigger mode to "toggle" and start/stop a sample by pressing play. smile
spruce999
digidandy wrote:
This puzzles me: Is there a way to just STOP a sample from playing. When I turn on my Bitbox, and for example enter sample slot #1, the sample is playing automatically. I see no way to just stop the sample from playing.

Am I missing something obvious?


If you ynavigate by knob it won't trigger
djthopa
Sorry if this has been asked before, can the bitbox record cv?

Cheers
spruce999
djthopa wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked before, can the bitbox record cv?

Cheers


Great idea! I will try it soon Rockin' Banana!
spruce999
djthopa wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked before, can the bitbox record cv?

Cheers


Yes it can! Dead Banana
djthopa
Wow that is great news!

Thanks!
poppinger
djthopa wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked before, can the bitbox record cv?

Cheers


On page 4 of this thread, 1010music said the following:

1010music wrote:
The recording and main playback paths are meant for audio only. If you really wanted, you could play CV WAV files through the FX1 and FX2 outputs. They are DC coupled and go from -5V to +5V.
artistcalled6
ASR or AR envelopes on the samples would be really cool. I've ended up sending some of the waveform samples to external EG/VCA combos.
DruidTek
I would like to add coarse tuning to the feature list. Once a sample is tuned, it would be nice to be able to shift it in semitones. Could the bottom right control knob in "Clip Info page 2" be used for this, perhaps?
makz
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta
5) Output routing to the Out 1 and Out 2 separately so that you now can use 4 mono outputs.

Will it be possible at some points to have the possibility to use fx1 / fx2 as a secondary stereo output ?
1010music
Hi all,

Thanks for the continued requests (envelopes, FX1/2 as stereo, and coarse tuning). I now have them on my list.

I hope to see you at one of our many trade shows this fall.

Take care,

Aaron
cocco88
hi guys
i've read all the 31 pages ahahhahaha

few questions:
- can i assign all the 4 CV in to a single cell? (1 for start, 1 for length, 1 for pitch)
- can i control multiple stuff (lenght, start...) over midi in?

here a request:
- is there a way to have more CV in? like an expander or a external module that convert CV in to midi in TRS?

and a general question:
- i was thinking about bitbox to make something like a mlrv paired with ansible+grids, do you think is possible?

thanks
glassofwater
cocco88 wrote:

few questions:
- can i assign all the 4 CV in to a single cell? (1 for start, 1 for length, 1 for pitch)
- can i control multiple stuff (lenght, start...) over midi in?



- yes
- don't think so. i think midi's only for selecting samples and volume velocity as of now
|pride|
I am highly interested in this module, but still after reading a fair amount of this thread, I'm not sure if it does what I have in mind.

The website states, it's possible to play back up to 4 samples directly from the microSD-card and recordings can be up to 4 hours in length. If I want to work with long field recordings, can I

(1) play back four four-hour recordings simultaneously?
(2) modulate all four (extremely long) samples via CV during playback?

What I'm asking is basically: Does the functionality differ, if samples are loaded into the internal memory or streamed from the microSD-card (despite the limit of simultaneous playback)?

Thank you very much for your time. I very much hope this product can be an alternative to the iPad when it comes to working with long samples simultaneously.
lionelfischer
hyper hyper

Main Outs - dc coupled? output voltage range?

FX Outs - dc coupled? output voltage range?

All Inputs - expected input voltage range? dc coupled?
lionelfischer
my ideal setup with this module would be to send a trigger signal to the module, and it outputs 4 samples across 4 outputs, all in sync. to do this, do i need to "take up" 4 cells? or can all 4 samples be triggered from a single cell? i'd like the entire grid available to me so i can see as many samples as possible to choose from (or "sample groups" of 4 in my case). or in this kind of setup, will i be limited to only having 4 to choose from, because to do this trick you have to take up 4 cells and make them a "scene" or something?

alternately, what about stereo samples, for example i trigger a single cell, but two different samples come out of two different outputs? or would this need to be two different cells that are linked together as a scene?
1010music
Thanks for writing.

|pride| wrote:

can I:

(1) play back four four-hour recordings simultaneously?
(2) modulate all four (extremely long) samples via CV during playback?

What I'm asking is basically: Does the functionality differ, if samples are loaded into the internal memory or streamed from the microSD-card (despite the limit of simultaneous playback)?


The answer to #1 and #2 is yes. The functionality does not differ if the samples are in memory or streamed from microSD.
1010music
lionelfischer wrote:
hyper hyper

Main Outs - dc coupled? output voltage range?

FX Outs - dc coupled? output voltage range?

All Inputs - expected input voltage range? dc coupled?


The main and FX outs are DC coupled. The range is -5V to +5V.

The inputs are AC coupled and also span from -5V to +5V.
1010music
lionelfischer wrote:
my ideal setup with this module would be to send a trigger signal to the module, and it outputs 4 samples across 4 outputs, all in sync. to do this, do i need to "take up" 4 cells? or can all 4 samples be triggered from a single cell? i'd like the entire grid available to me so i can see as many samples as possible to choose from (or "sample groups" of 4 in my case). or in this kind of setup, will i be limited to only having 4 to choose from, because to do this trick you have to take up 4 cells and make them a "scene" or something?

alternately, what about stereo samples, for example i trigger a single cell, but two different samples come out of two different outputs? or would this need to be two different cells that are linked together as a scene?


You can trigger 4 simultaneous samples and this will require 4 cells to do so. Use the scene trigger to begin 4 samples from a single gate input.

The track outputs (one for each column) can map to FX1, FX2, Out 1/2, Out 1 and Out 2. Sounds like you want to map each track to a separate output. Please note that beta 1.3 is the first version to support all of these outputs.

The samples in each cell can be stereo or mono. When played to a mono output, the left and right channel of each sample is mixed together to make the mono result.

Let me know if I have missed something.
1010music
Dear all,

We are pleased to announce a couple of things:

1) The public beta of synthbox
2) A dedicated 1010music forum where you can post and discuss bitbox topics in more than one long thread.

Please go here for more information:

Synthbox beta on the 1010music forums

Thank you for your support.
rayultine
I know I'm a broken record, but what is the status of providing a bootloader so that one could switch between fx/bit/synth box? Good lord you would have my money so fast
glassofwater
rayultine wrote:
I know I'm a broken record, but what is the status of providing a bootloader so that one could switch between fx/bit/synth box? Good lord you would have my money so fast


Yeah, insane if this would be possible!
tomeso
rayultine wrote:
I know I'm a broken record, but what is the status of providing a bootloader so that one could switch between fx/bit/synth box? Good lord you would have my money so fast

I just use three Micro SD cards and boot with the one I need. The cards are cheap and a reboot is fast.
rayultine
Oh! Didn't realize it was that easy! So if I just power my system on with appropriate uSD card inserted, that specific OS will load? Is there a way to hot-swap them?
1010music
rayultine wrote:
Oh! Didn't realize it was that easy! So if I just power my system on with appropriate uSD card inserted, that specific OS will load? Is there a way to hot-swap them?


It's quite easy. Insert the new card, hold the Info and Home buttons while powering up to reprogram the firmware, and wait 15 seconds.
glassofwater
have to say BIG PROPS to 1010. the synthbox sounds REAL good. very impressive for a beta! it's funny how I bought the bitbox to use it as a sampler, but ended up using it way more as an fxbox when the fxbox firmware came out. now it's probably gonna be used even more as a polysynth.

w00t SlayerBadger!
RGB
1010music wrote:
Dear all,

We are pleased to announce a couple of things:

1) The public beta of synthbox
2) A dedicated 1010music forum where you can post and discuss bitbox topics in more than one long thread.

Please go here for more information:

Synthbox beta on the 1010music forums

Thank you for your support.


Looking forward to the Non-Midi version of the SynthBox Beta-firmware!
Great work 1010! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
This thing is a weapon!
1010music
Hello,

Synthbox Beta 2, including CV control, is now available here:

https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/synthbox/general-discussion -ac/46-synthbox-public-beta-2

Thank you for your support.
Patate le mage
[s]https://soundcloud.com/patate-le-mage/synthbox1[/s]

My first try with the Synthbox.
I only have trigs for the four voices and a metropolis for one of the voice.
All i do after that is playing with the wavetables
djthopa
Wow! So you can change between bitboc, fxbox and synthbox on the same machine by swapping cards? Dead Banana Dead Banana
Patate le mage
Absolutely, this machine is amazing.
glassofwater
1010music wrote:
Hello,

Synthbox Beta 2, including CV control, is now available here:

https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/synthbox/general-discussion -ac/46-synthbox-public-beta-2

Thank you for your support.


badass new color scheme! also, you can set the receiving midi channel now. dunno if that was possible with the previous version... you can also output all 4 voices with the 4 outputs! DOPE.
RGB
1010music wrote:
Bitbox 1.3.0 Beta

3) Modulation of multiple samples at once. You can now modulate a row, column, or the entire grid at once.


I am having trouble figuring out how to accomplish this, any advice? It seems to only allow me the ability to assign the cv modulation to one cell at a time.... am I missing something? The firmware update seems to have loaded properly as I can assign four individual mono outputs.

How can I change the cv modulation from a column to a row to the entire grid?
DruidTek
Select one of the mod cells on the right hand side of the screen, press info and scroll through Dest until you see rows & columns, etc.
RGB
DruidTek wrote:
Select one of the mod cells on the right hand side of the screen, press info and scroll through Dest until you see rows & columns, etc.


Thanks for the reply... I figured it was just a carless error on my part (not scrolling all the way through) I appreciate your help.
emp
rayultine wrote:
I know I'm a broken record, but what is the status of providing a bootloader so that one could switch between fx/bit/synth box? Good lord you would have my money so fast

Or, as I said above, if we could assign fx/bit/synth functionality on a per cell basis that would of course be Amazeballz3000™.
glassofwater
Dunno how well that would work with the synthbox as it's laid out now, but UI wise I could see it working well with the bit/fx combo. Like have all the cells assignable, basically. Either:
- add an effect from a list or
- add a sample to that cell
Then you could choose to route the samples through any of the fx cells, or straight to the out. The fx could always "listen" to the inputs.

Might not be possible, but I imagine it could be super cool! What if the fxbox sequencer also worked, and you could turn on/off cells on any step you wanted?? Could sequence samples too! And also maybe set the steps to more than 16, and scroll to move around with one of the knobs...

One can dream. smile
DruidTek
emp wrote:

Or, as I said above, if we could assign fx/bit/synth functionality on a per cell basis that would of course be Amazeballz3000™.


I've suggested these kinds of ideas in my correspondence with Aaron, but from those discussions I get the feeling that he's not much of a fan of open ended, patch "anything to anywhere" designs, and would prefer each of the units to be dedicated to a specific purpose. That's just the impression I got, but I may be totally incorrect.
DruidTek
Personally, I'm starting to think it's all part of 1010's insidious plan to get us addicted to the different firmwares, so we have to end up buying multiple units, and it's working Aaron... IT'S WORKING!!
1010music
Dear all,

Please keep the ideas coming and dream big. Don't let me stop you.

Yes, there are plenty of constraints we need to contend with, like the size of the screen, the amount of CPU & RAM, and of course the people and time to do the work. There are also challenges in creating a product that makes sense and can be explained clearly.

In short, our work will never be completely done. There is always room for improvement and we look forward to your thoughts on where to go next.

Aaron
Genzo3
Hi everybody!

I'm quite new into the world of modular synthesis, but right now I have a few modules on my rack that I'm still trying to understand. One of them is the BITBOX. I have one pretty stupid question:

- Is it possible to have samples in the bitbox and play them through the out connectors as CV info to control other modules? I pluged my MOTHER 32 KB OUT to a modular synth, and depending what key I press it sends a different voltage out. Then I recorded this signal with the BITBOX and then played it back this time connecting the BITBOX out the modular synth CV in. It didn't work as I expected. Does it have something to do with CV 2 DB conversion?

Sorry if it sounds stupid, but it could be a really interesting way to control modules from the sampler.

Ivan
PM33AUD
Ivan,

I believe earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the record inputs are AC-coupled which means 'slow or static' signals will just show up as a 0V signal.

However, it was stated that the outputs can play slow or static signals since these are DC coupled.

So basically, you'd have to load in the DC-coupled files then you'd be able to play them. But as far as a CV recorder, it is unlikely. I actually think DC coupled recording would be so awesome for a module like this but this could be a hardware limitation (assuming they are using some commodity 'audio' ADC).

I have one of these on the way so will be testing this myself. I will probably also have a peek at the ADC they're using and see if there is possibility of DC coupling though, again, it'd depend on what parts and design they're using whether this is possible. grin
lionelfischer
PM33AUD wrote:
Ivan,

I believe earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the record inputs are AC-coupled which means 'slow or static' signals will just show up as a 0V signal.

However, it was stated that the outputs can play slow or static signals since these are DC coupled.

So basically, you'd have to load in the DC-coupled files then you'd be able to play them. But as far as a CV recorder, it is unlikely. I actually think DC coupled recording would be so awesome for a module like this but this could be a hardware limitation (assuming they are using some commodity 'audio' ADC).

I have one of these on the way so will be testing this myself. I will probably also have a peek at the ADC they're using and see if there is possibility of DC coupling though, again, it'd depend on what parts and design they're using whether this is possible. grin


let us know! im using an es8 to do this right now. and its awesome. but yes, the alyseum record module is also ac coupled inputs. i guess it's a lot more expensive to make a module that is dc coupled in/out? seems to be a feature at the top of everyones lists..
PM33AUD
lionelfischer wrote:
let us know! im using an es8 to do this right now. and its awesome. but yes, the alyseum record module is also ac coupled inputs. i guess it's a lot more expensive to make a module that is dc coupled in/out? seems to be a feature at the top of everyones lists..

Will do. Yes, it is far more expensive to go for precision ADC/DACs which are normally required for 'DC' or control applications. It's not the coupling itself that is the issue but rather NL errors, drift, tempco stuffs, and etc. are quite high for 'audio' converters so without a method to continually calibrate them, they are not suitable for high precision CV work. The AC coupling effectively removes any DC drive that would be problematic in audio applications. 'Open loop' converters are substantially more expensive even for relatively low number of bits. We're talking a buck or 2 for a 24b audio delta sigma to a $50 18b 'dc' part. I believe the expert sleepers stuffs does get around this via. calibration routines in order to use those appealingly inexpensive parts!

Bypassing my own curiosity and mucking about, CV recording would definitely be my feature request. Of course, I do not think this takes away from the main purpose of this module, which is audio, but man, that would just be awesome... you could have pre-fab'd modulations along with audio and sequence them appropriately.
RonF
I just took delivery of my BitBox yesterday. Fresh out of the box, I'm having concerning problems.

From the MAIN page...when I press any of the first cells along the left side of the screen (in other words...track-1), it triggers cell 2 in track 2 for each row. I cannot select any of the first cells along the left side.

At first I believed there must be something wrong with the touchscreen in that area (left most column on main page grid). BUT....it DOES respond to my touch...just triggers the cell next to it, rather than the cell I'm touching. Further, when I go into TRACK mode, I can touch (select) tracks 2, 3, and 4....but I cannot select track 1! It simply won't respond to touching track 1. Of course track 1 is in the same part of the screen as the cells I'm referring to on the MAIN page. So, again, seems like a touch screen malfunction on the left of the screen...right? EXCEPT....when I go into INFO (and any submenu), I CAN touch on the button in the top left corner (the "grid" button which returns you to the MAIN page-grid) with no problems. So on THAT screen(s), the touch screen responds just fine in that exact same area!

I've updated the OS from 1.1 (as delivered) to 1.2 and even 1.3....same result every time. What am I missing here? Any advice?

Do I need to return/exchange....or is this just operator error? I have read through the manual, and I don't see any setting that it could be...other than perhaps "TRACK exclusive"....but I cannot even select track-1 to see if I can adjust that setting.

Thanks so much for any advice!
PM33AUD
Got one of these guys and am having a great time with it. It's like Ableton + some OT.

Feature suggestions:

1) Preview files when browsing sample libraries to the output assigned to that cell's track. I think now it always defaults to OUT 1, 2 if I'm not mistaken. I am using all 4 outputs to separate voice buses so the preview comes out the wrong place.
2) Record start/stop via Modulation inputs (should prob have a edge based 'toggle' and a gate based momentary types)
3) Separate RATE and PITCH controls (now there is pitch although this is really a speed (rate) control). Rate should allow reversal of the sample as well for lots of fun!
4) Basic HP/LP filtering for ea. sample cell.
5) DC coupled inputs so we can record CV (maybe for HW version 2?!)
6) Attack/Hold/Decay vol env. for ea. sample
7) Per track FX. This would be setup in the tracks page for ea. column. Could also be cool to allow modulation of the FX parameters via. CV. I don't think per-sample FX would make sense (outside of basic mixing stuffs).
8) I was playing with some method of turning loop and repeat on, then modulating length to change the pitch of this 'oscillator' ala RTIM on the OT. The range of length at these low values doesn't have the resolution required but if there is a way to rescale those lower length settings to be musical pitches, that'd be pretty cool. The oscillator could then be fully quantised. I don't think this tweak would adversely affect the length settings for volume gate use but you'd maybe gain the ability to fine tune it and use the samples as oscillator waveforms.
9) Drag samples to other cells. That being said, I do like the fact that there is no way to accidentally do this so if stuff like that is done maybe modifier key is required or sth.
10) More Start resolution for longer samples. This would need some kinda acceleration so the knob doesn't have to be turned a crazy amount. It's nice as a percentage as it solves that problem in a nice way but at the cost of not being able to dial it in carefully for longer samples.

I suppose I'm OT-biased and while I still use my OT along side the modular, having samples in the modular and easily recordable/triggerable and still inside the modular is a big deal and why I got this guy in the first place! Very nice!

As far as DC coupling options, the Cirrus converter used has HPF offset calibration (to remove any residual) internal which I assume is enabled. And there is the typical input buffering which is AC-coupled though this is external. I'll have to chat with 1010 at Knobcon to see if I can geek out on some options there - I realise it is unlikely and surely a wildcard whether it is possible with this converter! Best case it'd still be a lot of SMD DIY work on a fairly densely populated PCB.

Anyways, awesome work - I'll make sure to find y'all at Knobcon grin
1010music
RonF wrote:
I just took delivery of my BitBox yesterday. Fresh out of the box, I'm having concerning problems.


For the sake of the group, this issue proved to be a faulty unit and was resolved with an exchange.
1010music
PM33AUD wrote:
Got one of these guys and am having a great time with it. It's like Ableton + some OT.

Feature suggestions: ...


PM33AUD,

Thanks for the detailed suggestions. I look forward to seeing you in Chicago to discuss this further.

Aaron
DruidTek
There's a poll going on the new 1010music forum on whether to keep the outputs track based or assignable individually per cell.

https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/bitbox/wishlist/150-poll-tr ack-or-individual-outputs

It would be great to get everyone's input on this!
jambirn
Bitbox owners --- if you have time, please post videos of your work! I'm curious about this module and want to see more of it in action.
Jim
1010music
jambirn wrote:
Bitbox owners --- if you have time, please post videos of your work! I'm curious about this module and want to see more of it in action.
Jim


Another option is to come see us at Machines In Music in Brooklyn October 14th and 15th.

Take care.
cyclopeatron
jambirn wrote:
Bitbox owners --- if you have time, please post videos of your work! I'm curious about this module and want to see more of it in action.
Jim


Here are a couple short vids that have all drums by BitBox...

This one has a sliced break that starts about halfway in, where individual slices are triggered and gated by an external sequencer.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BYZwFligYo7/

This one has usual one shot drum samples, but also has a mellotron flute at the very end played using v/oct modulation on BitBox. BitBox is great for playing samples melodically.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BSwnK1NAA2U/
pauk
couple of clips more
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ00ZVaFI2k/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQiQf3EghlC/
jambirn
Hey guys - -- these videos and sounds are great. Keep posting!
I'd like to see someone posting a video of the Bitbox user mangling a bunch of samples during a performance....can someone do that?
jambirn
Question...what kind of samples are pre-loaded on the microSD card that comes with the Bitbox? And how large is the card?
Thank you!!
Jim
1010music
jambirn wrote:
Question...what kind of samples are pre-loaded on the microSD card that comes with the Bitbox? And how large is the card?
Thank you!!
Jim


The factory set comes with more than 100 drum one shots and about 150 ambient sound effects. We use a few different kinds of microSD cards. What you get with the unit will be at least 4GB in size.
jambirn
Thanks so much --- I ordered from Perfect Circuit, and can't wait to get it this coming Monday. What a beautiful module...
yalivec
I love this sampler from the very release of it, as much as small setups.
Recorded new album using it with Clouds. Hope you will like a preview:

zanscath
yalivec wrote:
I love this sampler from the very release of it, as much as small setups.
Recorded new album using it with Clouds. Hope you will like a preview:



applause
jambirn
Hello --- I just received the Bitbox, and am truly excited to use it this eve.
Question, however...there's no indication on the rear of the module of which side the red stripe/-12v should go. Is this one of those power headers where that doesn't matter? Don't want my first Bitbox experience to be a disaster!
Jim
RGB
jambirn wrote:
Hello --- I just received the Bitbox, and am truly excited to use it this eve.
Question, however...there's no indication on the rear of the module of which side the red stripe/-12v should go. Is this one of those power headers where that doesn't matter? Don't want my first Bitbox experience to be a disaster!
Jim


I just noticed this on mine last night. The ribbon cable is notched and will only plug in one way.
jambirn
Thanks for your help with that --
I spent the last hour with the Bitbox, and am in heaven...it's SO cool to organically integrate samples in a modular rig with this. What an amazing piece of gear. 1010music rocks!
Jim
1010music
jambirn wrote:
Thanks for your help with that --
I spent the last hour with the Bitbox, and am in heaven...it's SO cool to organically integrate samples in a modular rig with this. What an amazing piece of gear. 1010music rocks!
Jim


I'm glad to hear you got it up and running. Thanks for letting us know and enjoy.
youzuza
Is it currently possible to "choke" samples as in cutting off an open high hat when triggering a closed high hat?

*edit:
It looks like the Exclusive track mode would achieve this per row but you would have to dedicate a row to the choked samples, I don't think there is a per sample option?
I think this has already been requested, so +1 on this feature request.
DruidTek
Are you wanting one cell to choke all of the remaining cells, or to be able to choose which cell chokes which, on an individual basis?
I think exclusive mode works pretty well how it's implemented at the moment, Ableton style.
RGB
youzuza wrote:

*edit:
It looks like the Exclusive track mode would achieve this per row but you would have to dedicate a row to the choked samples, I don't think there is a per sample option?
I think this has already been requested, so +1 on this feature request.


Yes
+1 on the per cell workflow option for this module. There is a poll going over at the 1010 forum site regarding the ability to assign functions per cell.
Hopefully some wigglers will migrate over there and cast a vote!
dykehouse
Just bought my second bitbox today after installing synthbox last night. So excited about the sounds I am getting already and haven't even tried Fxbox yet! It would be amazing to have different programs per voice in the synthbox, as well as some cross modulation/fm/what have you. Effects inside of bitbox would be amazing. A bit reducer would be nice. Sample reverse.Maybe a reverb al gore rhythm in synthbox. Synthbox sounds SO GOOD OMFG. I'm assuming we can eventually use our own waves? i am using Varigate 8 plus and Voltage Block with these and it is intense, soooooo much fun. I will post some of the sounds I am getting, I only have 104 hp of modules but these modules are HUGE bang for the buck and super intuitive and easy to learn. immense potential. 1010 rules. Wondering if the new DC coupled modulation box will also be able to run the OG firmwares. Modular modules like this and the ER 301 (I still fucking want that) are fantastic, we are so lucky...
DruidTek
dykehouse wrote:
Synthbox sounds SO GOOD OMFG. I'm assuming we can eventually use our own waves?


Add your own .wavs to the "factory" folder
1010music
dykehouse wrote:
Synthbox sounds SO GOOD OMFG. I'm assuming we can eventually use our own waves?


Glad you like it. To load your own WAV files as wavetables, please press one of the waveforms and then press the load button at the top.

Files need to use 2048 samples/cycle to work properly. More detail can be found here:

Custom Wavetables

Thank you for your support.
sonicmayhem
I cannot get my bitbox to use the synthbox firmware. It will always say "no file found". Everything is properly copied onto the SD card. Any suggestions?
1010music
sonicmayhem wrote:
I cannot get my bitbox to use the synthbox firmware. It will always say "no file found". Everything is properly copied onto the SD card. Any suggestions?


Make sure the microSD format is FAT. That sometimes trips people up.
fluffymuff
Just got my hands on a BitBox and loving it so far... its so simple to use and i can see this ousting my old mpc for sampling duties from now on... Great work Aaron!

As some others have already mentioned the feature that I would most like to see is panning... really hope this makes it into the next firmware update.
thebrotherspus
One feature I thought would be pretty neat is sample select with cv (unless there's already a way to do this I'm not aware of, as I've never read the manual hihi ). It would be cool if you could assign a folder to a particular cell and then send cv to that cell to select various samples from that folder. It would be great with one shot type of stuff. w00t
RGB
thebrotherspus wrote:
One feature I thought would be pretty neat is sample select with cv (unless there's already a way to do this I'm not aware of, as I've never read the manual hihi ). It would be cool if you could assign a folder to a particular cell and then send cv to that cell to select various samples from that folder. It would be great with one shot type of stuff. w00t


The way to do this with bitbox is in Atomic Mode via slicing.
djthopa
Hi!

Im making a Lemur template to triggers samples from the bitbox.

Any midi implementation for record / channel input select, channel output select, loop quanyize, paly mode etc?

Would be AWSOME to habve direct controls of this parameters!

Cheers
rayultine
Pardon if this has been previously asked. Would it be possible to have one of the outputs be set to mult a MIDI in clock?
oceancamp
Hello everyone.
Since updating my bitbox to the latest firmware I've had this problem popping up from time to time:
Sometimes in the middle of a session (trying to change a sample) I get a blank screen instead of the usual sample loading screen. This happens, usually, in subfolders. I need to cycle the power to get things back to normal.
May this be related to shortage of memory with bigger samples? Maybe something to do with mixed 16/24 bit samples in the preset I'm working in?

Has anyone had this happening to them?

Any advice appeciated,
Thanks
dykehouse
Oceancamp yes I have consistently had this problem as well.
kwil
I have the same or similar problem, suddenly the sample list is blank, but other sub folders are maybe okay. I thought maybe it was to do with the number of subfolders or the size of the names.

I can get it back to working by going back to the preset screen and loading again.
oceancamp
kwil wrote:
I have the same or similar problem, suddenly the sample list is blank, but other sub folders are maybe okay. I thought maybe it was to do with the number of subfolders or the size of the names.

I can get it back to working by going back to the preset screen and loading again.


Thanks for the suggestion, for some reason I never thought of reloading the preset. Will see if it works.
lionelfischer
dykehouse wrote:
Oceancamp yes I have consistently had this problem as well.


did the preset reload tip help u?
jambirn
Hey guys --
I'm wondering if anyone has discovered a workaround for muting a cell without having to unpatch...any advice would be appreciated.
Jim
batch
Turn gain down?

If you want to do multiple at same time you could modulate it?
dykehouse
new firmware beta is available on the 1010 site, unlimited presets now!!! I love 1010:)
yalivec
hey, guys! need your advice.



how do you think, can I use such a combo to bind 4 sliders to 4 different samples and control the volume level of that samples simultaneously with these sliders without menu diving, when playing live?
the problem is that I can't find manual for Synthwerks controller to understand how it works and connects.
thanks!
ywwg
dykehouse wrote:
new firmware beta is available on the 1010 site, unlimited presets now!!! I love 1010:)


yessssss this means I never have to delete my old "tracks"
batch
yalivec wrote:
hey, guys! need your advice.



how do you think, can I use such a combo to bind 4 sliders to 4 different samples and control the volume level of that samples simultaneously with these sliders without menu diving, when playing live?
the problem is that I can't find manual for Synthwerks controller to understand how it works and connects.
thanks!


Not sure this works. The 16 ins are expecting triggers or gates and are not used as modulators.

You can modulate gain using 1 or more of the 4 modulator inputs, each of which can impact either a cell, row, column or all of the sample slots. So you could have 1 slider impacting the volume of 1 or more of these samples and 1 doing sample slice selection. You could also use your sliders to have a combo of 4:0, 3:1, 2:2, etc. in terms of what they impact. But you only have 4 Mods.

This is something I have asked (on 1010 forum) if it could be changed so you make a sample slot a mod. Would be hugely powerful to have 8 samples and 12 Mods vs the 16:4 combo now.i think the hardware can do it.

If you are intending to turn the sample on and off using a constant voltage from the slider then that might work.

Would be a nice addition, effectively make all the ins respond like a VCA would so if the voltage goes above 0 the sample plays and gain is modulated at the same time. This would add another trigger method to the cell (envelope).
yalivec
Armstrb wrote:


You can modulate gain using 1 or more of the 4 modulator inputs, each of which can impact either a cell, row, column or all of the sample slots. So you could have 1 slider impacting the volume of 1 or more of these samples and 1 doing sample slice selection. You could also use your sliders to have a combo of 4:0, 3:1, 2:2, etc. in terms of what they impact. But you only have 4 Mods.

This is something I have asked (on 1010 forum) if it could be changed so you make a sample slot a mod. Would be hugely powerful to have 8 samples and 12 Mods vs the 16:4 combo now.i think the hardware can do it.

If you are intending to turn the sample on and off using a constant voltage from the slider then that might work.

Would be a nice addition, effectively make all the ins respond like a VCA would so if the voltage goes above 0 the sample plays and gain is modulated at the same time. This would add another trigger method to the cell (envelope).


thanx a lot for detailed answer! now everything is clear! thumbs up
MutantLabs
Got my bitbox tonight in the mail! Have been jamming and composing literally minutes after I've powered it on for the first time.

Now I want Octratrack-style sample mangling (think per-step Parameter-Locks), so what are you using after the bitbox to mangle your samples?
My Clouds can do a lot, but always leaves that "Clouds-fingerprint".
djthopa
Hi!

Loving the new firmware!

Was wondering if it is possible to assign samples to the 4 different outputs?

Also, prelisten of a sample on another channel would be great!

Cheers
djthopa
djthopa wrote:
Hi!

Loving the new firmware!

Was wondering if it is possible to assign samples to the 4 different outputs?

Also, prelisten of a sample on another channel would be great!

Cheers


Regarding choosing the outs of tracks....RTFM Dead Banana

Please let us choose cue out though.
Plague
Hi!

What a great module. My recommendation for features would be:

Reverse Samples
Pan
Envelopes
Modulation of Volume
Equalizer / Filters

I want to use it for live performances. To play samples live & live played synth parts mixed. Here is a track where I use bitbox:

https://soundcloud.com/vzoid/void-death
lionelfischer
Plague wrote:
My recommendation for features would be:

Reverse Samples
Pan
Envelopes
Modulation of Volume
Equalizer / Filters


You can already modulate the volume: assign one of the 4 mod inputs to "GAIN"
lionelfischer
yalivec wrote:
hey, guys! need your advice.



how do you think, can I use such a combo to bind 4 sliders to 4 different samples and control the volume level of that samples simultaneously with these sliders without menu diving, when playing live?
the problem is that I can't find manual for Synthwerks controller to understand how it works and connects.
thanks!



that will totally work, but you have it patched up wrong. you have cables going to the sample trigger inputs, but they should be going to the four jacks in a vertical column on the far right, those are modulation input jacks, and you can assign each one to control the GAIN of a sample, or a row of samples, or whatever.

ALSO, the module you chose, the synthwerks, can also act like an analog attenuator. so you can either control the digital gain of the samples in the bitbox using the voltage offset produced by the synthwerks, OR you could just have the samples playing at full volume, going into each of the synthwerks 4 inputs, and control your volume using the slider attenutators.

either way, in this setup, you will have to trigger your samples manually using your finger on the touchscreen. i dont think you'd want to have to push a slider up past a certain threshold to make one of the samples trigger, do you? if you hadn't thought of this, you should look into getting a module with some buttons or something, if your workflow is really just going to be four samples and four volume controls, might as well get four buttons in a module. theres other "slider" modules too that are smaller, so you could fit sliders and buttons in the same sized case. or just trigger using the touchscreen.
bemushroomed
Thinking of getting this. Does it have 4 completely separate outputs? I don't get what "FX" means.

What's the latency, anyone measured it (trigger latency to sample, i have no interest in slow MIDI)? I'm guessing it's on the high side since there's no mention of it anywhere that i can see.. Its usually how these things works unfortunately, if a developer has put a lot of time and hardware resources into getting low latency, then you can be sure they will mention how low it is for marketing purposes (see e.g TipTop One, they mention this everywhere).

Also, if i understand everything correctly you can run their other firmwares on a Bitbox (synth/FXbox)?

Edit: "The FX outputs are a convenient way to use other Eurorack modules to apply different effects to different Tracks."

Do they really just mean its actually output 3-4 but named differently so that the user can understand that he also can use fx modules if he wants to? lol.. imo not the best idea of naming if so, output 1-4 would look way more professional and it would not look like they assume that the user is a rather clueless idiot Mr. Green
ywwg
Hey all, I've been enjoying my bitbox a lot but I've found myself wanting a way to work with presets without manually editing XML or copying files around. So I wrote a little utility called bitbox-editor that helps me accomplish some basic tasks:

* Rename, move, and reorganize clips within a preset
* Rename presets
* Normalize single clips or a group of clips relative to each other
* Keeps a basic history of commands for faster use

This tool is currently totally unsupported and could mangle your clips, presets, or sanity. It's a terminal-based Python tool that works on Linux but can probably also work on OSX or on Windows through cygwin. I tried to write it with an eye toward an eventual GUI, but frankly I think the terminal interface is good enough. This is not meant to be an audio editor beyond the most basic operations.

This is very much a tool for people comfortable running the "pip" command. If there are other python coders out there who want to help extend this tool, pull requests are welcome!

IMPORTANT: Currently all clips are downsampled to 16bit on output, instead of the bitbox's default of 24bit. The library I'm using doesn't support 24bit and 32bit files created by ffmpeg don't play back correctly on the bitbox.

Check out bitbox-editor on github.
digidandy
I still think the "join" function for removing slices is hit'n'miss, even in the latest beta. Too often nothing happens when I press "join", the slice is still there. I would really like a "select all slices and delete" function of sorts. It's too much work removing slices from large sample files (<30 secs etc.).

Also, the Bitbox is responding surprisingly bad to triggers from "EOR" and "EOC" on the Make Noise Function. Is it supposed to be like this? Misses a lot of triggers.

And a suggestion: A "STOP" function/command when editing samples. It's kinda driving med mad that I can't "mute" triggers, but have to unplug the trigger cable, to edit certain aspects of the sample. I just want the sample to stop sometimes ...
1010music
bemushroomed wrote:
Thinking of getting this. Does it have 4 completely separate outputs? I don't get what "FX" means.


First, sorry for the slow response. It is hard to keep up without a working search function here on Muff Wiggler.

Bitbox has 4 separate outputs. The output section is currently organized by tracks, which are the vertical columns of four cells. Each track can route to any of the four outputs in mono or the master output 1/2 in stereo.

bemushroomed wrote:
What's the latency, anyone measured it (trigger latency to sample, i have no interest in slow MIDI)?


We haven't measured that exact signal flow. I can tell you that the internal buffer size and update rate is 2.6ms. I can also tell you that I haven't heard any complaints about the latency in actual use. Keep in mind that it takes about 1ms for sound to travel 1ft. In other words, as long as the system is in the low single digits it is good enough and comparable to what you would get with a computer running with pretty aggressive settings.

bemushroomed wrote:
Also, if i understand everything correctly you can run their other firmwares on a Bitbox (synth/FXbox)?


Yes.
1010music
digidandy wrote:
Also, the Bitbox is responding surprisingly bad to triggers from "EOR" and "EOC" on the Make Noise Function. Is it supposed to be like this? Misses a lot of triggers.


That is not supposed to happen. How wide are the triggers? Could that be the issue?

Regarding the other points, thanks for the suggestions.

Aaron
1010music
ywwg wrote:
Hey all, I've been enjoying my bitbox a lot but I've found myself wanting a way to work with presets without manually editing XML or copying files around. So I wrote a little utility called bitbox-editor that helps me accomplish some basic tasks:


Thanks for the support. There are always more feature requests than we can possibly handle.

Could you please send a faulty 32-bit WAV file from ffmpeg for us to review?

Thank you,

Aaron
digidandy
1010music wrote:
digidandy wrote:
Also, the Bitbox is responding surprisingly bad to triggers from "EOR" and "EOC" on the Make Noise Function. Is it supposed to be like this? Misses a lot of triggers.


That is not supposed to happen. How wide are the triggers? Could that be the issue?
Aaron


Not sure how wide the triggers are? Can't find anything in the Function manual about EOC or EOR trigger width ... I could check with MakeNoise.

What's the minimum amount of pulse width that the Bitbox needs to receive to fire?
sersch
lionelfischer wrote:
Plague wrote:
My recommendation for features would be:

Reverse Samples
Pan
Envelopes
Modulation of Volume
Equalizer / Filters


You can already modulate the volume: assign one of the 4 mod inputs to "GAIN"


True, but: Via the CV mod inputs I can only modulate the volume of 4 cells (or the 4 tracks).

I want to control the volume of all 16 cells via faders, and the easiest and cost-effective way to do that is via a MIDI controller connected to the Bitbox's MIDI in. Would be awesome to see this in one of the next updates!

The last time I tried it on my Bitbox, fast volume changes to a cell on the Bitbox itself generated zipper noises, if that's still the case it would be great if that can be fixed.
1010music
digidandy wrote:
What's the minimum amount of pulse width that the Bitbox needs to receive to fire?


5ms should be more than enough. I have seen other modules with 1ms pulse width cause an issue. Please also note that we changed the sensitivity on Bitbox recently. Please make sure you install the latest firmware. Let me know if that does not help.
Mikeyg3k
Ive had my B.B. for almost a year now and haven’t done much recording until now. All I can say is ...... “WOW!” .... simple. Fed it a clock, gave it an audio signal, and I’m still like in awe at how smooth this thing is for recording and syncing. So good.
Trooper Starship
I asked for the possibility, or a new site, only with un/mute every channel, best it starts in sync every 4 clocks.

Would be great for live
mritenburg
RGB wrote:
jambirn wrote:
Hello --- I just received the Bitbox, and am truly excited to use it this eve.
Question, however...there's no indication on the rear of the module of which side the red stripe/-12v should go. Is this one of those power headers where that doesn't matter? Don't want my first Bitbox experience to be a disaster!
Jim


I just noticed this on mine last night. The ribbon cable is notched and will only plug in one way.


I bought a Bitbox used and it didn't come with a cable. Is -12v the left or right side of the header?
bemushroomed
My first impressions: really, really easy to use. There was no need to read the manual, i could directly start doing loops and slice them, have the module randomly select slices and modulate pitch, took minutes (~25 mins) to understand instead of hours. Brilliant interface.

Negative so far:

Only 12 presets? This is a big let down, 12 doesn't even cover all the genres of loops and individual sound kits that i currently have (after just a few hours).

Setting up loops and modulations that works great together and you are happy with takes time, no different from creating a patch or doing kits on a synth really.. 12 preset slots on a digital synth would not be acceptable by a long shot.. same here.

A hundred preset slots would be doable i guess, but 1000 (or just limited to SD-card space) would be optimal. Naming these presets and having folder structure for them would of course be very welcome. It's a digital module and the great thing and the really huge advantage of using them is of course being able to save presets, so yes this is something that needs attention if anything.
1010music
bemushroomed wrote:
My first impressions: really, really easy to use.

...

Only 12 presets? This is a big let down, 12 doesn't even cover all the genres of loops and individual sound kits that i currently have (after just a few hours).


Thanks for the feedback. I am pleased to report that unlimited presets is now in beta. Check out version 1.3.6 from the registered portion of our forums

Take care,

Aaron
bemushroomed
Wow, great to hear! we're not worthy thumbs up
bemushroomed
..would have loved if jacks where placed on top instead, it makes more sense to me since this a module that generally works better in a skiff that you have infront of you, laying flat on the table.. cables really gets in the way when working like that.

It would be possible to just turn it upside down in the skiff i guess, but that would require an option with corrected screen graphics (and knob response reversed).
Jaypee
I'm really interested in this module.

Are you guys still use it a lot?
Trooper Starship
Yes, i am tending more and more to use it as drums and somewhere a few vocals
Southfork
Just a quick question. Does this module do some form of time stretching? Can I load a loop and change the BPM like ableton and it stretches the transients to fit?
bemushroomed
Yes. you can e.g slow down pitch and still have it in the same tempo as before.
davidjames
sersch wrote:
True, but: Via the CV mod inputs I can only modulate the volume of 4 cells (or the 4 tracks).

I want to control the volume of all 16 cells via faders, and the easiest and cost-effective way to do that is via a MIDI controller connected to the Bitbox's MIDI in. Would be awesome to see this in one of the next updates


Considering this for my live case, and it would be great to have midi control to some extent. It might even let me take this thing out of the drawer. 4 pages, click encoders, a match made in euro-heaven?

DruidTek
Southfork wrote:
Just a quick question. Does this module do some form of time stretching? Can I load a loop and change the BPM like ableton and it stretches the transients to fit?


It behaves very similarly to the Dr.Rex player in Reason if you've ever used that. Once it's in Atomic Mode, the slices can be played at any tempo and pitch.

davidjames wrote:
Considering this for my live case, and it would be great to have midi control to some extent. It might even let me take this thing out of the drawer. 4 pages, click encoders, a match made in euro-heaven?


Modulation via MIDI is a popular request and I believe that Aaron is currently hard at work on an update.
Dust that awesome looking controller off, as I have a suspicion you may just have a use for it very soon!
SunSpots
I may have missed something in my reading of this thread but can someone tell me how easy it is to switch from song to song or preset to preset and how many presets you get? I guess I'm imagining this like a little computer and I want to be able to perform from one song and mix into the next song in the next song in the next song as deep as my SD card goes. Is that possible? Should I be thinking of this more as a one song creation system or a huge performance system? Like can I do 2 or 3 hours straight and move from 20 to 30 different tracks or is it really just a one-track kind of organizational tool?
bemushroomed
SunSpots wrote:
I may have missed something in my reading of this thread but can someone tell me how easy it is to switch from song to song or preset to preset and how many presets you get? I guess I'm imagining this like a little computer and I want to be able to perform from one song and mix into the next song in the next song in the next song as deep as my SD card goes. Is that possible? Should I be thinking of this more as a one song creation system or a huge performance system? Like can I do 2 or 3 hours straight and move from 20 to 30 different tracks or is it really just a one-track kind of organizational tool?


Unlimited presets (well i guess you could fill out the SD-card with them, but i bet they take a few kb or bytes only of space). You can't select preset via CV (yet) unfortunately. It's extremely simple to change though (the whole interface is really extremely simple), you just go to the main screen and load the new preset (you can name them too).

It's a lot of fun trying new presets on the song, sometimes happy accident occurs and i prefer a totally different preset that i did for something else entirely.
SunSpots
Okay that answers the question. Now the real question is as far as future updates go when are we going to be able to control preset changing on all of these 1010 modules? I would love to have my modular run through these presets like insane twitching Mad Men if I wanted to. Maybe it's not the most important thing in the world what it's also really f****** cool
bemushroomed
SunSpots wrote:
Okay that answers the question. Now the real question is as far as future updates go when are we going to be able to control preset changing on all of these 1010 modules? I would love to have my modular run through these presets like insane twitching Mad Men if I wanted to. Maybe it's not the most important thing in the world what it's also really f****** cool


yes it would be great here i think, it seems to switch really quick from one preset to the next.
SunSpots
hey guys... so Thought someone might be interested in the sale at Perfect Circuit for their 1010 music modules. Don't know where else to post this so here it is smile

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/eurorack-modular-synths.html

Just went ahead and pulled trigger on everything except the toolbox. not sure if I need a sequencer, but it's tempting at $100 off... damn.

every one of the 1010's is discounted right now
2disbetter
SunSpots wrote:
hey guys... so Thought someone might be interested in the sale at Perfect Circuit for their 1010 music modules. Don't know where else to post this so here it is smile

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/eurorack-modular-synths.html

Just went ahead and pulled trigger on everything except the toolbox. not sure if I need a sequencer, but it's tempting at $100 off... damn.

every one of the 1010's is discounted right now


This by no means makes the purchase a no brainer, but don't forget that while the toolbox is part of a new series of hardware, if the past trend from 1010 is to continue, your purchase of the toolbox will eventually lead to getting other devices as well.

I personally really dig the way 1010 is doing things!

2d
exper
Tempting. I'm having a blast with my Bitbox. I really wish the toolbox offered a way to mount upside down though.
SunSpots
2disbetter wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
hey guys... so Thought someone might be interested in the sale at Perfect Circuit for their 1010 music modules. Don't know where else to post this so here it is smile

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/eurorack-modular-synths.html

Just went ahead and pulled trigger on everything except the toolbox. not sure if I need a sequencer, but it's tempting at $100 off... damn.

every one of the 1010's is discounted right now


This by no means makes the purchase a no brainer, but don't forget that while the toolbox is part of a new series of hardware, if the past trend from 1010 is to continue, your purchase of the toolbox will eventually lead to getting other devices as well.

I personally really dig the way 1010 is doing things!

2d


Yes I know, but I just bought the Eloquencer and I'm really really warm to it. I'm not opposed to another sequencer/modulator, but I really want to settle into the modules I have before expanding. Maybe there will be another Series 2 program by the time I pop my head back up. Plus I have to learn all the other 1010's and then the ER-301 is coming in a couple months so I'm going to need to really go deep with all of these before adding another wife.
SunSpots
exper wrote:
Tempting. I'm having a blast with my Bitbox. I really wish the toolbox offered a way to mount upside down though.


It kinda feels like something a software update could fix easily right? I don't know much of this kind of thing, but like... just showing the screen upside down shouldn't be more complicated than the insane code they been doing in their boxes, right? smile

I'm itching at the gun for these to show up in my mail. guess it'll be after christmas. It's peanut butter jelly time!
bemushroomed
exper wrote:
Tempting. I'm having a blast with my Bitbox. I really wish the toolbox offered a way to mount upside down though.


...same for bitbox. it would make far more sense to have the jacks on top instead of them being in the way for the screen and knobs.

i bet i'm not alone in having this module laying flat in a skiff since its a module you're gonna work on a lot, its a small computer after all. an option to turn the graphics upside down and make the knobs (well - the values for the knobs) go in the other direction would solve it.
SunSpots
bemushroomed wrote:
exper wrote:
Tempting. I'm having a blast with my Bitbox. I really wish the toolbox offered a way to mount upside down though.


...same for bitbox. it would make far more sense to have the jacks on top instead of them being in the way for the screen and knobs.

i bet i'm not alone in having this module laying flat in a skiff since its a module you're gonna work on a lot, its a small computer after all. an option to turn the graphics upside down and make the knobs (well - the values for the knobs) go in the other direction would solve it.


damn i just realized I'm going to want a bigger PSU so I can get all my chunky 1010's and other modules in my main case for ease of use... hmm... that intellijel PSU looks pretty good...
DruidTek
Everyone is probably getting well sick of me being such a total 1010music fanboi on here lately, but...

I'm currently testing out a bitbox firmware that has me literally
something wonderful
SunSpots
DruidTek wrote:
Everyone is probably getting well sick of me being such a total 1010music fanboi on here lately, but...

I'm currently testing out a bitbox firmware that has me literally
something wonderful


wait wtf bro... don't do this to me. I didn't know he was adding features and stuff to these modules? are you allowed to tell us what you're seeing?
DruidTek
SunSpots wrote:
damn i just realized I'm going to want a bigger PSU so I can get all my chunky 1010's and other modules in my main case for ease of use... hmm... that intellijel PSU looks pretty good...


Yeah, I had to upgrade my power supply for my performance skiff - 350mA is quite a lot of juice!
exper
SunSpots wrote:
DruidTek wrote:
Everyone is probably getting well sick of me being such a total 1010music fanboi on here lately, but...

I'm currently testing out a bitbox firmware that has me literally
something wonderful


wait wtf bro... don't do this to me. I didn't know he was adding features and stuff to these modules? are you allowed to tell us what you're seeing?


Yes please, don't keep us in the dark! I have a list of stuff I'd love to see in the bitbox firmware...
exper
This thread reminds me, now that my maschine mk3 is here, I need to try out playing it with MIDI pads. Now to find a MIDI adapter...
DruidTek
SunSpots wrote:

wait wtf bro... don't do this to me. I didn't know he was adding features and stuff to these modules? are you allowed to tell us what you're seeing?


I'm sorry but I can't say...
rayultine
are you allowed to say whether or not the firmware updates are for platform #1 or platform #2?
djthopa
You do know you can use bitbox, fxbox and synthbox on the same module by switching cards right?

Anyway 1010 are rocking it, unfortunately i had two and sold one.

My only complaint about the elo (sorry for crossing posts) is that so far you cannot record external pitch / gate into the cv in 1 and 2, that would be a killer feature and i hope it comes in a future update!
SunSpots
djthopa wrote:
You do know you can use bitbox, fxbox and synthbox on the same module by switching cards right?

Anyway 1010 are rocking it, unfortunately i had two and sold one.

My only complaint about the elo (sorry for crossing posts) is that so far you cannot record external pitch / gate into the cv in 1 and 2, that would be a killer feature and i hope it comes in a future update!


Yes that's really neat. In my case I actually wanted all three running at same time. I know I'm way ahead of myself, but after I get used to them and get a feel for them I'm thinking of having a second bit box and FX box. That way possibly I would be able to Crossfade between two different tracks or just have an extra set of effects to mangle things with. I'm definitely not jumping that gun though so first thing is first
djthopa
SunSpots wrote:
djthopa wrote:
You do know you can use bitbox, fxbox and synthbox on the same module by switching cards right?

Anyway 1010 are rocking it, unfortunately i had two and sold one.

My only complaint about the elo (sorry for crossing posts) is that so far you cannot record external pitch / gate into the cv in 1 and 2, that would be a killer feature and i hope it comes in a future update!


Yes that's really neat. In my case I actually wanted all three running at same time. I know I'm way ahead of myself, but after I get used to them and get a feel for them I'm thinking of having a second bit box and FX box. That way possibly I would be able to Crossfade between two different tracks or just have an extra set of effects to mangle things with. I'm definitely not jumping that gun though so first thing is first


That would be a killer setup! How about resampling the next track into your bitbox and assign a different output to the new sampled audio? hmmm.....
SunSpots
djthopa wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
djthopa wrote:
You do know you can use bitbox, fxbox and synthbox on the same module by switching cards right?

Anyway 1010 are rocking it, unfortunately i had two and sold one.

My only complaint about the elo (sorry for crossing posts) is that so far you cannot record external pitch / gate into the cv in 1 and 2, that would be a killer feature and i hope it comes in a future update!


Yes that's really neat. In my case I actually wanted all three running at same time. I know I'm way ahead of myself, but after I get used to them and get a feel for them I'm thinking of having a second bit box and FX box. That way possibly I would be able to Crossfade between two different tracks or just have an extra set of effects to mangle things with. I'm definitely not jumping that gun though so first thing is first




That would be a killer setup! How about resampling the next track into your bitbox and assign a different output to the new sampled audio? hmmm.....


Since I don't have mine yet and it won't come in the mail for another week, I guess I should ask the question. On the bit box are you able to play too samples at one time from the main screen where you trigger the samples or presets or whatever they are. Can I have one Loop overlap another loop by touching them both on the front screen and then touching another one and turning it off. I imagine possibly being able to fade one into the other one slowly bringing it in and taking over the other one? I'm thinking of just two completely different techno tracks off the top of my head, just to keep it simple. Or would I need to bit boxes in order to accomplish this?
Trooper Starship
Yes, i have actualy played now 4 samples at the same time, no problem to overlap them.
But i think it can do more than 4 ...
SunSpots
Trooper Starship wrote:
Yes, i have actualy played now 4 samples at the same time, no problem to overlap them.
But i think it can do more than 4 ...


Thank you for checking that. Man I cannot wait to get this thing. I'm still kind of thinking about having two of them into the FX boxes but I guess I should take a kind of slow and probably won't even need that much. It would likely just be a total luxury thing which... I'm not opposed to :-) but for sure I'm going to need to buy that intellijel PSU
Trooper
Yes, the the Bitbox is a great sampler, even there is still a lot to do, but Aaron is on it...

If you want a second 1010Box, i can only advise you the Toolbox, a superb sequencer, i think it is the easiest to handle one on the market (like the Bitbox)

in this jam from today i use different samples in the Bitbox, not all at a time, but the most

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=X8PN0nOskLc
Jaypee
Still no reverse mode?

Hope the next firmware will come before the release of assimil8or
Trooper
Aaron says update will come late january
Jaypee
Thanks!
Shledge
I understand the Toolbox has different hardware, but is it in the works to port firmware from the other modules over, or would that be difficult due to said hardware differences?

I'm thinking of getting the bitbox or toolbox this week, hence asking hmmm.....
Trooper
No, only series 1, to say Bitbox, Synthbox and FXBox can exchange the OS.

With Toolbox it is technicaly impossible, but there will come future other goodies for that, but what...?
Shledge
I am aware. I'm talking about the possibility of porting them to toolbox in the near future.

Either that or I eventually get both, and flash whatever firmware I need on the bitbox.
DSC
Shledge wrote:
I am aware. I'm talking about the possibility of porting them to toolbox in the near future.

Either that or I eventually get both, and flash whatever firmware I need on the bitbox.


I think you answered your own question thumbs up
Shledge
Not really, no.
DSC
As mentioned the two architectures serve two completely different functions. You say you are aware, but are you really? Do you understand why what you are asking does not make much sense given the differences in the two systems?
Shledge
DSC wrote:
As mentioned the two architectures serve two completely different functions. You say you are aware, but are you really? Do you understand why what you are asking does not make much sense given the differences in the two systems?


I think you need to re-read what I've said.

I've asked the possibility of porting firmware (since the hardware differences means it cannot be directly done without reprogramming them), not installing firmware from series 1 modules. I am already aware you can't install bitbox firmware onto a toolbox.

What I'm asking is basically making a PS4 version of an XB1 game, to put it simply. Guinness ftw!
DSC
SO, how do you propose that should be done? One architecture is primarily for output, generally speaking, where the other is for input. Curious to what you are asking for.
Shledge
Both have inputs and outputs, similar layouts etc - hardware differences means reprogramming so the firmware can work on a different platform - whether it may have limitations to the original firmware or not depends on the hardware. Just asking if it's possible or not. If not then I'll get them separately. hmmm.....
DSC
Going out on a limb here, I would assume there is reasoning for making two separate hardware platforms. Just based on the electronics alone, one makes more sense to handle CV voltages, primarily, where the other can output high quality audio. Two completely different beasts. I would also assume the similarity of the physical design is due to making the manufacturing costs as low as possible, across both platforms.
DruidTek
DSC is absolutely correct. It's a totally different hardware configuration for both platforms. Toolbox has 4 midi outputs, for instance.
There will most likely be other firmwares coming for series 2, so you'll be able to switch between them, I imagine.
Shledge
Got the bitbox over the weekend - it's definitely a lot of fun. Think I found a bug or two, but it's definitely a keeper. I had dynamic drums made driven by a drezno - surprisingly sounded very musical.
SunSpots
Shledge wrote:
Got the bitbox over the weekend - it's definitely a lot of fun. Think I found a bug or two, but it's definitely a keeper. I had dynamic drums made driven by a drezno - surprisingly sounded very musical.


right now I'm waiting for the next update. supposed to come end of this month or Feb? don't know. can't wait to see what he does to increase it's functionality
Shledge
Likely February. If they can get little things like input detection on recording and waveform cropping, I'll definitely be happy.
SunSpots
Shledge wrote:
Likely February. If they can get little things like input detection on recording and waveform cropping, I'll definitely be happy.


i wanted to see little stuff like "start/stop" triggers and pre-defined recording length so it auto stops the recording where you want it to.

would also be nice to have xfading and 3 band eqing and be able to change presets without stopping the sound.

man with JUST this stuff the module would open up to many more possibilities. Right now it's my little garage sample parking spot for ableton distro later when I get to the computer. It works really well for that. I guess you could use it for sampling drums/hits and trigger them. it would be really neat for that.

we will see. if the next updates go one way I keep it, if not, then I convert it to a 2nd synth box... unless the updates to a totally different way with synthbox... then who knows? w00t
cityz3n
This! +1

i wanted to see little stuff like "start/stop" triggers and pre-defined recording length so it auto stops the recording where you want it to.

And reverse!
Shledge
New firmware confirmed to be in the next few weeks - hints some of the above suggestions will be implemented. cool

On a somewhat related note - has anyone had issues with audio sync not being added if a recording is 3-4 bars or longer? I record with 1 bar quantisation, so sync is usually it's set to 1 bar, but other times it's not, and the loop will drift out of time after a while. Forcing a sync mode onto it also causes weirdness like it playing faster than it should. Currently on 1.3.6 and happens regardless if I use clock or MIDI clock.

It works fine if I set quantisation to 4 bars before recording, or if I use a gate to trigger it at the interval I need, but not really ideal for my use.
Daisuk
Shledge wrote:
New firmware confirmed to be in the next few weeks - hints some of the above suggestions will be implemented. cool

On a somewhat related note - has anyone had issues with audio sync not being added if a recording is 3-4 bars or longer? I record with 1 bar quantisation, so sync is usually it's set to 1 bar, but other times it's not, and the loop will drift out of time after a while. Forcing a sync mode onto it also causes weirdness like it playing faster than it should. Currently on 1.3.6 and happens regardless if I use clock or MIDI clock.

It works fine if I set quantisation to 4 bars before recording, or if I use a gate to trigger it at the interval I need, but not really ideal for my use.


Which suggestions, and where was this confirmed? smile I'm sort of on the fence on whether to keep the Bitbox or get rid of it for the Rossum sampler.
polymode
i don't know why they make new modules
bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters, bar counter reset,
some bugs
mritenburg
polymode wrote:
i don't know why they make new modules
bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters, bar counter reset,
some bugs


Do you participate in the 1010 forum? They're very active. You could submit some feature requests.
DruidTek
Exciting news!

The bitbox 2.0 firmware beta has just been publicly released on the 1010music forum and I think a lot of people are going to be very happy with this update.

Here's a list of all of the new features:

Quote:
Three distinct modes per cell for more optimal workflow:

- Sample mode, including the following parameters:

- Start, length, loop start and loop end
- Reverse mode
- Forward and bidirectional looping
- 4 note polyphony via MIDI

- Clip mode, similar to bitbox 1.x

-Synchronized loops and quantized playback

- Slicer mode:

- Dedicated to playing pieces of a longer loop or recording
- Supports MIDI playback with note per slice triggering
- Built in trigger sequencer to optionally move through slices
- 2 note polyphony

More output and control per cell, including:

- Pan, with modulation
- Output routing, including each output in mono or FX1/2 and Out1/2 in stereo

More powerful modulation:

- Each mod destination can have up to three sources
- CV inputs can be applied to multiple destinations in different ways
- 4 additional modulation inputs for a total of 8

Improved waveform display:

- Now includes an overview of the entire audio file
- Zooming of primary waveform with touch screen gestures

Better file management:

- See the working file name from the waveform view
- Rename and delete WAV files

And even more:

- Dark UI color scheme
- Flipped UI mode lets you rack bitbox upside down for ease of use in a skiff
- Screen brightness control
- Preset recording lengths to get perfect loops every time



I've been testing this out for a while and it's fantastic! It really increases the power and flexibility of the module!

SlayerBadger! w00t MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Daisuk
DruidTek wrote:
Exciting news!

The bitbox 2.0 firmware beta has just been publicly released on the 1010music forum and I think a lot of people are going to be very happy with this update.

Here's a list of all of the new features:

Quote:
Three distinct modes per cell for more optimal workflow:

- Sample mode, including the following parameters:

- Start, length, loop start and loop end
- Reverse mode
- Forward and bidirectional looping
- 4 note polyphony via MIDI

- Clip mode, similar to bitbox 1.x

-Synchronized loops and quantized playback

- Slicer mode:

- Dedicated to playing pieces of a longer loop or recording
- Supports MIDI playback with note per slice triggering
- Built in trigger sequencer to optionally move through slices
- 2 note polyphony

More output and control per cell, including:

- Pan, with modulation
- Output routing, including each output in mono or FX1/2 and Out1/2 in stereo

More powerful modulation:

- Each mod destination can have up to three sources
- CV inputs can be applied to multiple destinations in different ways
- 4 additional modulation inputs for a total of 8

Improved waveform display:

- Now includes an overview of the entire audio file
- Zooming of primary waveform with touch screen gestures

Better file management:

- See the working file name from the waveform view
- Rename and delete WAV files

And even more:

- Dark UI color scheme
- Flipped UI mode lets you rack bitbox upside down for ease of use in a skiff
- Screen brightness control
- Preset recording lengths to get perfect loops every time



I've been testing this out for a while and it's fantastic! It really increases the power and flexibility of the module!

SlayerBadger! w00t MY ASS IS BLEEDING


Nice! Sounds great. Can't wait to try. applause
DruidTek
There's also an additional feature that lets you switch the trigger mode between "Mono" and "Poly". Mono mode is for when you want to use long samples for basslines, etc. The sample is re-triggered when a new gate is received.
thetwlo
polymode wrote:

bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters,


it's for a modular synth, those are typically other MODULES, why would you need that included in a "sampler" module?
Koryo
DruidTek wrote:
The bitbox 2.0 firmware beta has just been publicly released on the 1010music forum


I'll be heck if I can find it. Where exactly?
DruidTek
It's in the Firmware Downloads section. You have to join up to the forum to be able to see it.
polymode
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:

bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters,


it's for a modular synth, those are typically other MODULES, why would you need that included in a "sampler" module?


most basic and OLD akai mpc 2000 xl have some filters....
and they have old processor
it have sequencer, filter on each slot/pad, mixer, pan and more and more and more
1010 music made a poly sampler..... one simple equalizer or filter is necessary... when you have 3-4 sounds togheter you must eq or filter something off
if they don't want put eq or filter they must make more outs so i can buy other eq or filter MODULES and process my samples
one of the most funny things is about pan
they implemented it only now
thetwlo
polymode wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:

bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters,


it's for a modular synth, those are typically other MODULES, why would you need that included in a "sampler" module?


most basic and OLD akai mpc 2000 xl have some filters....


That's a FULL instrument, NOT a module.
A sampler MODULE outputs samples. Like a VCO outputs waves. That's what modular is, building blocks... that you can combine however you want, so you aren't stuck with that limited filter that was built into your sampler. You have 100 to pick from.
Trooper
V2.0 - very very nice thumbs up
polymode
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:

bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters,


it's for a modular synth, those are typically other MODULES, why would you need that included in a "sampler" module?


most basic and OLD akai mpc 2000 xl have some filters....


That's a FULL instrument, NOT a module.
A sampler MODULE outputs samples. Like a VCO outputs waves. That's what modular is, building blocks... that you can combine however you want, so you aren't stuck with that limited filter that was built into your sampler. You have 100 to pick from.


yeah full instrument made with old technology
sure there is room for some equalizer and filter in this module
i'm not talking about emulation of famous equalizers or filters.. just a little of spectral control

its no sense Playback of up to 16 simultaneous samples without any eq or filter
or maybe it's ok if you are in random style music
cityz3n
Thats really the update I've been waiting for since day one.
Loved it before but really wanted a few extra features.
They've implemented them all now and more with 2.0.
Really awesome! Thanks a lot to Aaron and his team!
Bitbox is a keeper!

Wonder how the trigger sequencer works.

This really made my day!
Daisuk
How do you use the modulation cells with the new firmware? I can't seem to assign modulation to specific cells or even choose what type of modulation I want when I got into a modulation cell. confused I also can't seem to find the built in trigger sequencer for the slice mode.
DruidTek
Daisuk wrote:
How do you use the modulation cells with the new firmware? I can't seem to assign modulation to specific cells or even choose what type of modulation I want when I got into a modulation cell. confused I also can't seem to find the built in trigger sequencer for the slice mode.


Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate.
You can have both positive and negative values now, too! nanners

The trigger sequencer is new and as far as I can tell it's for modulating playback of the slices in various different ways.
Daisuk
DruidTek wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
How do you use the modulation cells with the new firmware? I can't seem to assign modulation to specific cells or even choose what type of modulation I want when I got into a modulation cell. confused I also can't seem to find the built in trigger sequencer for the slice mode.


Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate.

The trigger sequencer is new and as far as I can tell it's for modulating playback of the slices in various different ways.



Oooh, clever, thanks! That's a great new feature! Makes assigning modulation a heck of a lot easier. Awesome. Thanks! smile

Yeah, I figured as much regarding the trigger sequencer - the thing is, I can't find it! Is it "shift mode" by any chance?
DruidTek
Daisuk wrote:
Is it "shift mode" by any chance?


Yeah, that's it

Daisuk wrote:

That's a great new feature! Makes assigning modulation a heck of a lot easier


Not to mention you can now have 3 different modulators going at once and you can attenuate the amounts in positive or negative values. It's very powerful.
Trooper
Just tested - fantastic thumbs up

the new darker coulor concept is also very welcome, before it was shining like a lamp...
Shledge
polymode wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
polymode wrote:

bitbox it's not ready
it's missing basic stuff like equalizer and filters,


it's for a modular synth, those are typically other MODULES, why would you need that included in a "sampler" module?


most basic and OLD akai mpc 2000 xl have some filters....


That's a FULL instrument, NOT a module.
A sampler MODULE outputs samples. Like a VCO outputs waves. That's what modular is, building blocks... that you can combine however you want, so you aren't stuck with that limited filter that was built into your sampler. You have 100 to pick from.


yeah full instrument made with old technology
sure there is room for some equalizer and filter in this module
i'm not talking about emulation of famous equalizers or filters.. just a little of spectral control

its no sense Playback of up to 16 simultaneous samples without any eq or filter
or maybe it's ok if you are in random style music


Again, it's a module. It's not supposed to be completely self contained. Feed an output through a filter and do it that way, use the same gate to trigger the sample to also trigger an envelope, so you can control that filter etc. confused

You can essentially do that for 4 outputs, as much as you have 4 inputs for CV control.
thebrotherspus
This update looks great! I can't wait to give it a try.
DruidTek
It's so much better being able to zoom right into the waveform to get the slices perfect, which I've always been very particular about when I used to use hardware samplers or Recycle back in the day.

It's inspired me to spend more time making custom samples to use in it - things like drum machine presets with 64 of my favourite drum hits in each cell, so that when it's sliced up you can dial in the perfect sound really quickly without having to stop and load samples, or you can modulate the hell out of it so it's cycling through ALL of the samples at once if you like.

Breakbeats work really well if you chop up, for example, 12 of them a DAW first, and line up all of the kicks, then the snares, hihats etc, in order, when it's sliced up in bitbox you can then program a beat with the notes an octave apart (kick on C1, snare on C2, etc) if you transpose the sequence it modulates through the different breaks. The possibilities are endless.

Here's a little clip of a single drum break being transposed by toolbox.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd322XXlZDx/
Daisuk
First track with the new firmware. Scrubbing just feels a lot better with this one, but I might be imagining things. Anyway, I really like it so far! Have found at least one bug, I think (if you load in a new sample after you've already had one playing, modulation won't work on it before you turn the modulation amount back to zero, then up again), but apart from that it seems to be working fine.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/ritesofspring[/s]

In this one it's scrubbing through another track I made a while back in the background, doing the glittery piano-ish stuff. w00t
Trooper
very nice thumbs up
Synchronon
MY ASS IS BLEEDING Awesome, downloading right now. Thx alot for the tipps, they'll help alot!
matttech
Always really welcome when a manufacturer regularly updated and improves products such as these...gives end users so much more confidence in their stuff
applause
Shledge
Really liking this new firmware. Nice to see most of the essentials are in. cool
cityz3n
Feels like I have a new module since this afternoon.
thebrotherspus
i'm liking the new firmware so far. very nice!

is anyone else having trouble getting 'loop mode' to work? it could very well be user error on my part. I'm setting loop mode to 'forward', but it only seems to play through the sample once.
any ideas?


thanks
exper
I'm so happy there is a reversed UI mode now.

Now the question: Any chance of a reverse panel being offered? lol

Sample reverse, and looping with decay.
One thing I noticed. When the brightness is adjusted, theres a high pitched whine that comes from the bitbox itself. Not sure if that's anything to worry about or not. On the plus side, the UI colors are much better now, so the is already much easier on the eyes. Rockin' Banana!
Shledge
Some questions:
- the added features are nice, but I presume a lot of the empty menus will be rearranged or removed?
- How are EXT5-8 accessed?

Few little UX suggestions too:
- Track section now looks a bit bare option wise, I'd suggest looking into putting the options below it so they're immediate
- Selecting samples won't allow you to go back to the sample section unless you load another sample or going to cell screen, then back into the sample - adding the ability to press info while being in the sample browser would allow you to go back there quickly
- Make a cell flash before it triggers depending on it's quantisation, will make it more obvious it's waiting to start playing
SunSpots
Dang I was only gone one day. I've been literally stalking this everyday for like at least a month month-and-a-half and I missed one day and it came out on that day. Rockin' Banana! can't wait to play with CV panning. Good news for anyone reading this updating these boxes is like the easiest thing in the world if you have a microchip reader. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it was just drag and drop when I changed one of these modules the other day.
thebrotherspus
thebrotherspus wrote:
i'm liking the new firmware so far. very nice!

is anyone else having trouble getting 'loop mode' to work? it could very well be user error on my part. I'm setting loop mode to 'forward', but it only seems to play through the sample once.
any ideas?


thanks


I had a chance to play with the new firmware a bit more. so, it seems to loop as before in 'clip' mode (but only forward looping).
in 'sample' mode, if I set loop to forward with 'release' set to 100% it will loop a few times as it slowly fades out. 'bidirection' will only play through forward and then reverse once no matter what I try.
with 'rev' (reverse) set to 'on' it won't loop at all.

I'd really like to be able to let some samples loop indefinitely playing in reverse or bidirectional. is this possible with the new firmware?
thebrotherspus
Daisuk wrote:
...Have found at least one bug, I think (if you load in a new sample after you've already had one playing, modulation won't work on it before you turn the modulation amount back to zero, then up again)...


I've noticed this too.
DruidTek
thebrotherspus wrote:

in 'sample' mode, if I set loop to forward with 'release' set to 100% it will loop a few times as it slowly fades out. 'bidirection' will only play through forward and then reverse once no matter what I try. with 'rev' (reverse) set to 'on' it won't loop at all.


It seems like the loop settings in sample mode are geared more towards looping the tails of pads and things like that.
sixnon
exper wrote:

One thing I noticed. When the brightness is adjusted, theres a high pitched whine that comes from the bitbox itself. Not sure if that's anything to worry about or not.


I don't have the whine (although it sounds like it could be an over 5v input which has been discussed before) but the display flickers between 69% and 89% as I scroll through brightness levels. This carries into other screens if one navigates out of the settings screen.
thebrotherspus
DruidTek wrote:
thebrotherspus wrote:

in 'sample' mode, if I set loop to forward with 'release' set to 100% it will loop a few times as it slowly fades out. 'bidirection' will only play through forward and then reverse once no matter what I try. with 'rev' (reverse) set to 'on' it won't loop at all.


It seems like the loop settings in sample mode are geared more towards looping the tails of pads and things like that.


Interesting. I wasn't able to get looping to work in reverse or bidirectional mode. I'll have to give it another shot.
I really hope that there could eventually be a way to Latch reverse and bidirectional looping so they could keep looping indefinitely as opposed to slowly fading out (or add reverse and bidirection looping to Clip mode as well).
Hirsbro
I cant seem to work out the mod section now I only get"Custom" and "Scene Trig"

"Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate."

cry where?? sry for being dumb think I need a vid
Daisuk
Hirsbro wrote:
I cant seem to work out the mod section now I only get"Custom" and "Scene Trig"

"Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate."

cry where?? sry for being dumb think I need a vid


I didn't get this at first either. But you can now assign modulation from within the sample cell. So in the cell with the sample you want to modulate, you can find the various parameters with those black boxes under. Really helps the workflow. smile
mritenburg
Hirsbro wrote:
I cant seem to work out the mod section now I only get"Custom" and "Scene Trig"

"Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate."

:cry: where?? sry for being dumb think I need a vid


In the individual cells. For instance, select bottom left cell? Press INFO twice, under the Pitch setting are 3 black boxes, select a box and the mod parameters display.
Hirsbro
Ohh I think Im on to something I need to press the "Info" button a few times then black rectangles are the slots I could not finde earlier.

One concern,... I fear feature creep I really like the bitbox for being so simple I know its a difficult balance and I know I can plant a flag and dont upgrade FW but still
Hirsbro
mritenburg wrote:
Hirsbro wrote:
I cant seem to work out the mod section now I only get"Custom" and "Scene Trig"

"Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate."

cry where?? sry for being dumb think I need a vid


In the individual cells. For instance, select bottom left cell? Press INFO twice, under the Pitch setting are 3 black boxes, select a box and the mod parameters display.


Daisuk wrote:
Hirsbro wrote:
I cant seem to work out the mod section now I only get"Custom" and "Scene Trig"

"Assign modulators by touching one of the 3 black slots next to the parameter that you want to modulate."

cry where?? sry for being dumb think I need a vid


I didn't get this at first either. But you can now assign modulation from within the sample cell. So in the cell with the sample you want to modulate, you can find the various parameters with those black boxes under. Really helps the workflow. smile


Damn you beat me to it smile thanks anyway.. well so far so good, now Ive run into something else I cant make it change slice like one slice per semitone like you could before I've experimented with "Amount %" and "1V/Octave On/Off" in conjunction with the Mode Trigger gate or toggle hmmm..... sometimes it changes each semitone sometimes I have to go another semitone up to make it change slice
tFunk
Is the 2.0 beta firmware not available to download anymore?

I'm logged in, but there's no download link for version 2.0 in 1010music forum: https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/firmware-downloads/bitbox-f irmware-downloads/926-bitbox-2-0-beta?view=stream

Am I looking at the wrong place? hmmm.....
Shledge
https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/firmware-downloads/bitbox-f irmware-downloads/926-bitbox-2-0-beta

Last post
tFunk
Shledge wrote:
https://forum.1010music.com/forum/products/firmware-downloads/bitbox-f irmware-downloads/926-bitbox-2-0-beta

Last post


Are you referring to the 1.9.7 firmware? Is that the 2.0beta one? I haven't followed the whole discussion
Shledge
Yes.
tFunk
Shledge wrote:
Yes.


Thanks for the help thumbs up
sixnon
Trooper wrote:
Just tested - fantastic thumbs up

the new darker coulor concept is also very welcome, before it was shining like a lamp...


Seconded!
Multi Grooves
Thirded. I cannot even remember how to update it i.e. Precisely which files to delete and which to keep. I think I had a copy fx box somewhere in the memory in a folder just incase I found myself away from WiFi. I just cannot remember the process.
confused
Trooper Starship
just copy the new file over the old OS file on the card root, insert it and press the both upper knobs while booting
Shledge
- .bin file onto root directory on SD card
- Hold home and info before powering up with SD card inserted
- Done
Multi Grooves
thumbs up thumbs up
cyclopeatron
Has anyone gotten MIDI velocity modulation to work in the new firmware?
Mikeyg3k
So the 1.9.7 is the new one we are talking about, yes?

The new waveform layout looks sick already. Wow!
Southfork
Would love to see a vid showing the new firmware features. Super close to buying this smile
Mikeyg3k
I can’t understand how to quantize / time stretch like the older firmware, re: loops.
Also it seems to be time stretching all samples at least upon preview which I’d rather it didn’t. Or if there is a way to turn that on or off.

I’d say just so I don’t have to ask 5,000 obvious questions a quick start or manual for this new firmware would be super helpful.
Multi Grooves
I haven't delved into this new FW but I just wanted to say to Aaron: Thank you for all the great work and continued development. I am glad I made the decision to go with 1010 when I was eyeing the assimilator. This platform is brilliant. Chapeau!
Shledge
Mikeyg3k wrote:
I can’t understand how to quantize / time stretch like the older firmware, re: loops.
Also it seems to be time stretching all samples at least upon preview which I’d rather it didn’t. Or if there is a way to turn that on or off.

I’d say just so I don’t have to ask 5,000 obvious questions a quick start or manual for this new firmware would be super helpful.


You'll have to wait then. The firmare is beta and not finished as of yet - what is the point of making a manual for beta firmware?
matttech
Southfork wrote:
Would love to see a vid showing the new firmware features. Super close to buying this smile


There was a bit of footage from Namm but nothing too in depth.

I'm sure there will be more once he gets back from namm.
Mikeyg3k
Shledge wrote:
Mikeyg3k wrote:
I can’t understand how to quantize / time stretch like the older firmware, re: loops.
Also it seems to be time stretching all samples at least upon preview which I’d rather it didn’t. Or if there is a way to turn that on or off.

I’d say just so I don’t have to ask 5,000 obvious questions a quick start or manual for this new firmware would be super helpful.


You'll have to wait then. The firmare is beta and not finished as of yet - what is the point of making a manual for beta firmware?


Thanks Mom. The Point of a manual would be to be able to reference instructions from the manufacturer on how to use the module. There have been a lot of changes since the last manual, especially with the current firmware.
Shledge
Changes that are not final, fully big fixed, subject to change based on feedback.

It's not like typing a manual is a 5 minute job either
Mikeyg3k
Shledge wrote:
Changes that are not final, fully big fixed, subject to change based on feedback.

It's not like typing a manual is a 5 minute job either


Thanks for the heads up on manual typing. Aaron mentioned in the forums that they should have the new one next week. Fun!
nikmettez
SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
Keep up the good work Aaron & Thx.
bemushroomed
yay for upside down view smile

Can't believe so many module makers messes this up so badly.. i know its a bit down to preference and if you place it in a skiff laying flat infront of you or not (which wouldnt be optimal/preferable for a module like this). There are so many modules which has the cables being in the way of the interface itself.

But yes, keep up the good work. Very glad i went with this module, i did took a look at the forum and the activity of FW updates before i purchased it, something which is obviosuly important for a digital module.
Outsider Sound Design
Beat destruction with BitBox + FXBox

bandobandobando
Just wanted to say thanks for the hardwork and updates - makes me proud to be a BitBox module owner!
matttech
Outsider Sound Design wrote:
Beat destruction with BitBox + FXBox



Excellent. That got pretty nuts!
Jaypee
Outsider Sound Design wrote:
Beat destruction with BitBox + FXBox



These Mungo modules! nanners nanners nanners
Mikeyg3k
bandobandobando wrote:
Just wanted to say thanks for the hardwork and updates - makes me proud to be a BitBox module owner!


Agreed 100% - I have also got my eye on this toolbox as well.
akrylik
bemushroomed wrote:
yay for upside down view smile

Can't believe so many module makers messes this up so badly.. i know its a bit down to preference and if you place it in a skiff laying flat infront of you or not (which wouldnt be optimal/preferable for a module like this). There are so many modules which has the cables being in the way of the interface itself.

But yes, keep up the good work. Very glad i went with this module, i did took a look at the forum and the activity of FW updates before i purchased it, something which is obviosuly important for a digital module.


Not just a bit, but 100% down to preference. You make it sound like it is obvious which way a module should go. I think there is a 50/50 chance that someone will want to skiff a module vs rack a module which is far from obvious. When you skiff a module you want the jacks on top. When you rack a module you want the jacks on the bottom. It really is a no-win situation for designers. Making flippable designs is a compromise at best because good designs are seldom symmetrical enough to allow for this. Making 2 versions of a module wreaks havoc with the economy of scale for a manufacturer.

In the case of bitbox, we got especially lucky because all of the knobs are encoders.
bemushroomed
akrylik wrote:


Not just a bit, but 100% down to preference. You make it sound like it is obvious which way a module should go. I think there is a 50/50 chance that someone will want to skiff a module vs rack a module which is far from obvious. When you skiff a module you want the jacks on top. When you rack a module you want the jacks on the bottom.


Why would you want the jacks to be at the bottom when racked, how is it preferable?

When racked there is no special preference for me since it will never be perfect, sometimes i might use a module over it, sometimes under it, but when in a skiff there definietely is.

I think for modules with an interface that you will spend a lot of time in then the very obvious choice is to have it laying flat so you can work with it in a much more ergonomical way. I would only place a module like this racked if i had no other choice, same with e.g stepper acid (it also has the jacks wrong - infront of the keybed and a keybed is best played on when laying flat).

When doing jack placements for a module you need to think about; what is the prefered way to use this module? To sit infront of it working with its interface or playing on the keybed or is it a module where you just connect your cables and turn a few knobs(=its not a module that would have tons of advantages in a skiff)? Its not rocket science tbh.
DruidTek
The Bitbox 2.0.0 Release Candidate was just posted in the registered area of the 1010music forum. There are quite a lot of extra features, refinements and bug-fixes included this version.

Fantastic job, Aaron and team! I'm really enjoying making music with this new firmware... Here's a little run-through I put together of all the new features in 2.0, for those who are interested.

dykehouse
Druidtek that video is super, thank you thank you THANK YOU! Today is my birthday, best present I have received! 1010 music is the best in the business, can't wait to hear all the music folks make with these amazing modules and the continued updates!
DruidTek
Happy birthday dykehouse! w00t Guinness ftw!

Thanks for the kind words and I'm happy to hear the video could be a help in some way!
mcpepe
DruidTek wrote:
The Bitbox 2.0.0 Release Candidate was just posted in the registered area of the 1010music forum. There are quite a lot of extra features, refinements and bug-fixes included this version.

Fantastic job, Aaron and team! I'm really enjoying making music with this new firmware... Here's a little run-through I put together of all the new features in 2.0, for those who are interested.



Great video!

Till now I didnt consider this Bitbox like an option. It seemed like if the firmware was not still fully developed, not finished. And I always was thinking that the OD 301 was a more serious finished product (though they are still developing the firmware too).

But now, with this video, I have changed my opinion for better. I would have to look at this more carefully. What are the options for granular synthesis?
dbeats
Great product. Glad I just bought mine and got this major 2.0 firmware update so soon.

Just one question: Which input jacks can be mapped to the EXT5-8 and how can I switch/enable them? Can't find that anywhere...
batch
dbeats wrote:
Just one question: Which input jacks can be mapped to the EXT5-8 and how can I switch/enable them? Can't find that anywhere...


Same question. Everything else is super intuitive but haven’t figured this out and was coming here to see if anyone else had.

Have to say that his update is just simply awesome. Aaron - thanks so much. This is such a hugely flexible module and this update is fantastic. Love it!
batch
Also - if you are reading this, any chance of a run of panels with the graphics the other way round. I love the upside down UI, but also like my labels in the right place.
DruidTek
EXT 5-8 are the column of jacks next to EXT 1-4. You don't have to do anything to assign them, they will function as both sample cells and external modulators at the same time.

chess1
Do you guys think it is possible that there could be multiple loop points in some future firmware ala Casio FZ-1 ?

That would make this already ace module even more ace. we're not worthy
DruidTek
chess1 wrote:
Do you guys think it is possible that there could be multiple loop points in some future firmware ala Casio FZ-1 ?

That would make this already ace module even more ace. we're not worthy


That's an interesting idea! How does the FZ-1 let you determine which loop point is used, or can each voice be a different loop point, etc?
mritenburg
DruidTek wrote:
chess1 wrote:
Do you guys think it is possible that there could be multiple loop points in some future firmware ala Casio FZ-1 ?

That would make this already ace module even more ace. :hail:


That's an interesting idea! How does the FZ-1 let you determine which loop point is used, or can each voice be a different loop point, etc?


Couldn't you just load the same sample into multiple cells and then edit unique loop points per cell then trigger accordingly so you achieve the same result?
chess1
Quote:

Couldn't you just load the same sample into multiple cells and then edit unique loop points per cell then trigger accordingly so you achieve the same result?





Yes, re sampling would solve this but it would be cool to see it on the display in real time yeah ?

Druid Tek, The FZ-1 does not let you select loop points when you play, but rather it plays through the whole sample and the various loops within the sample play as the gate is released.

better to hear it in action:

https://youtu.be/TGp4wfUb1To?t=16m14s
mritenburg
chess1 wrote:
Quote:

Couldn't you just load the same sample into multiple cells and then edit unique loop points per cell then trigger accordingly so you achieve the same result?





Yes, re sampling would solve this but it would be cool to see it on the display in real time yeah ?

Druid Tek, The FZ-1 does not let you select loop points when you play, but rather it plays through the whole sample and the various loops within the sample play as the gate is released.

better to hear it in action:

https://youtu.be/TGp4wfUb1To?t=16m14s


Why would you need to resample? The BitBox has 16 cells. Each cell can contain the same sample yet each cell can be edited to have custom loop points. Say you want a single envelope to trigger multiple different loop points in succession, just use a multi-step comparator that generates gates at arbitrary points along the rise and fall of the envelope.
chess1
Multi Step Comparator ? I am afraid I will have to ponder and research this one. I also do not have a bitbox yet...but this sure sounds fun!
mritenburg
chess1 wrote:
Multi Step Comparator ? I am afraid I will have to ponder and research this one. I also do not have a bitbox yet...but this sure sounds fun!


The Doepfer A-152 can function as an 8 step comparator when you use a voltage such as an envelope or LFO to sweep the stages. It will output 8 gates along the rise and fall of the envelope or LFO. The gates produced can then be patched into the BitBox to trigger cells in succession. If you happen to be using the same envelope to open and close your VCA, you get the correlation between sample triggering and single voice/note.
chess1
You just made my day...I own this module and so far have just used it as the glorified addressable switch that it is, but apparently so much more. SlayerBadger!
mritenburg
chess1 wrote:
You just made my day...I own this module and so far have just used it as the glorified addressable switch that it is, but apparently so much more. :sb:


Yeah, start patching envelopes or LFO's into the CV in on the A-152. The Dig. Outs are gates that can be used to trigger just about anything. Not so coincidentally, I have my A-152 positioned just above my BitBox:

1010music
First, thank you for the support everyone. We appreciate hearing from you and have trouble keeping up.

Armstrb wrote:
Also - if you are reading this, any chance of a run of panels with the graphics the other way round. I love the upside down UI, but also like my labels in the right place.


If enough people ask for upside down panels we will make some. We will keep your request in mind.

Take care,

Aaron
exper
1010music wrote:
First, thank you for the support everyone. We appreciate hearing from you and have trouble keeping up.

Armstrb wrote:
Also - if you are reading this, any chance of a run of panels with the graphics the other way round. I love the upside down UI, but also like my labels in the right place.


If enough people ask for upside down panels we will make some. We will keep your request in mind.

Take care,

Aaron


Count me in for sure. Love the flipped interface!
sixnon
I'm getting a lot of crashes with this RC. It might have been the act of flipping the module to test out the UI, but power cable was well seated etc.

I'll do some more testing but I've had 3 reboots in the last hour whilst recording and one reboot to test screens (in hindsight that may have been because I was pressing a home or info button during reboot)
dbeats
DruidTek wrote:
EXT 5-8 are the column of jacks next to EXT 1-4. You don't have to do anything to assign them, they will function as both sample cells and external modulators at the same time.

Indeed, thank you very much! I should have just tried that out instead of searching within the UI - quite straightforward. I really do love the Ext1-4 display of CV, though, so maybe in an future firmware update there will be a possibility to also switch the display of the Ext5-8 column to displaying incoming CV. Shouldn't be a big thing.

IMO, the bitbox increased dramatically in value and versatility with this firmware update, and the possibility to have 12 sample slots and 8 modulation channels instead of just 16 slots and 4 mod channels is one of the highlights, at least for me. Thank you so much!
hippasus
Sorry for the out of topic question.
What is the sample rate of the cv ins? Somewhere earlier in the thread it was mention that the refreshing rate was 2ms but there was also mention of a future update. Has it change already? I am thinking on audio rate modulations on the synthbox mode.
Thanks
DruidTek
dbeats wrote:
the possibility to have 12 sample slots and 8 modulation channels instead of just 16 slots and 4 mod channels is one of the highlights, at least for me. Thank you so much!


You can still use all 16 sample slots, but the amount of EXT modulators has doubled. nanners

When you set a pre-determined recording length, Clips will now start playing automatically just like a regular loop machine.
You can turn this function off in the settings page if you want to, though..

I'm really loving all of these little refinements!
dbeats
DruidTek wrote:

You can still use all 16 sample slots, but the amount of EXT modulators has doubled. nanners

You mean "...as long as you don't need more than 12 trigger inputs"? So you mean, you can still use the last 4 sample slots for recording or manual triggering on the touch screen, for example?
DruidTek
dbeats wrote:

You mean "...as long as you don't need more than 12 trigger inputs"? So you mean, you can still use the last 4 sample slots for recording or manual triggering on the touch screen, for example?


Yes, that's right, but you can also trigger them via MIDI. I tend to use that pretty much exclusively now. I just have one cable coming from toolbox that handles everything. The pitch tracking and slice selection is much more stable too!
dbeats
DruidTek wrote:
dbeats wrote:

You mean "...as long as you don't need more than 12 trigger inputs"? So you mean, you can still use the last 4 sample slots for recording or manual triggering on the touch screen, for example?


Yes, that's right, but you can also trigger them via MIDI. I tend to use that pretty much exclusively now. I just have one cable coming from toolbox that handles everything. The pitch tracking and slice selection is much more stable too!

Ah, MIDI, now I understand why you still count up to 16 and I stall at 12 smile
evileye0702
I had put the BitBox in my wish list a long time ago when it was first released. I hadn't gotten around to looking at it again until this week. WOW have things changed. I couldn't get my credit card out quick enough to order one. Eagerly anticipating its arrival next week. It looks like it'll fit perfectly in my workflow and get me using the modular even more.

Now to figure out how to cram more than 24 hours into a day.
Keikari
Hey, I just bought a bitbox.
I noticed when you are in the "edit" window while a sample is playing, you can hear some little cuts
For exemple I set a loop of a 2/3min drone sample, when I'm in the main screen the sample plays normally, but when I go in the "edit" you can hear some small interruptions.
Is there a way to fix this ?

Thanks
Keikari
An other question :
I set a sample in " Slice atomic " so when I trig the bitbox to play this sample , it plays the right slice. When I switch off my modular and then switch on later the bitbox recognized which slice he has to play but it doesn't play it, I have to turn the know, the one you use to select which slice you want to play and then it plays.
That means I have to do this little trick each time I switch off my modular. do you notice the same problem ?

Thanks
batch
Have been playing with 2.0 since it came out. It really is amazing.

Aaron - my only request is one I raised some time back, would it be possible to change the way slices markers are stored? Ideally as a separate xml file so they could be linked easily to the original file (this is how the ER301 works). At the moment I think they are still embedded in the preset file and by the cell. Which means that if you move a sample from cell X to cell Y or preset A to preset B you have to re-slice it which can be very time consuming (and not something you would ever do live).

The reason I ask this is I like to jam with the bitbox where I start with a blank preset and then see where it goes. Record some loops, load samples, etc. this is hard if you have to reslice.

Would also be cool if you could import slice markers from say Audacity.

If this can be done please correct me.
Shledge
I think they're stored when the whole preset is exported for ableton use - haven't done it myself though
digidandy
Version 2.0 is great! Fantastic, even.

But a question remains. Say I have long (several minutes) sample that is being triggered by another module. How do I simply STOP the sample from playing back?

Once the sample has been triggered, I can unplug the trigger cable, but sample keeps playing. I really wish there'd be a stop button, that could just stop the sample from playing back - whenever I want.

​​​​​​​Am I missing something?
Shledge
I put a solution up on the 1010music forum:

Quote:
You can get around it, if you have modules like PNW (pamelas new workout). Allows you to change length of clip on the fly too. Make sure both PNW and bitbox are getting synced though.

1: Set clip to gate, not toggle
2: Put quantisation to 1/16th, set sync to 1/16th (it won't sync without quantisation)
3: Set a pulse from PNW to whatever length you want the clip to loop at eg. every 2 bars - shorter the pulse, shorter the clip will loop
4: Set width of that pulse to 99%
4: The clip will play when you press start, and will stop when you press stop.
DruidTek
digidandy wrote:

Once the sample has been triggered, I can unplug the trigger cable, but sample keeps playing. I really wish there'd be a stop button, that could just stop the sample from playing back - whenever I want.


Another way to manually stop a sample is to switch the launch mode to toggle, then touch the top right "trigger" button - this works as a kind of kill switch.
I use this quite often in a live performance setting, but you need to be able to pre-empt it, then switch back to the previous mode before exiting the info page. Not ideal, but it works...
digidandy
Thanks for both suggestions. Rather disappointing that working with long samples is this inconvenient - it seems like such a trivial thing, to stop a sample from playing, for example when editing or doing other things.
behndy
boop. don't know if i'm doing something wrong, but it used to be if i clicked on any of the External CV In's in the touchscreen matrix, then Info, it would give me options to control scenes or pitch etc. now i just get two options.......

Mod: Scene Trig
Mod: Custom

i'm on 1.9.7

how can i access the pitch and other modulation options for the Ext In cells?

thanks!
DruidTek
You can now assign modulators by touching any of the 3 black rectangles underneath the parameter you want to modulate.
behndy
ah. DURP.

thank you!
1010music
Armstrb wrote:
would it be possible to change the way slices markers are stored? Ideally as a separate xml file so they could be linked easily to the original file (this is how the ER301 works). At the moment I think they are still embedded in the preset file and by the cell. Which means that if you move a sample from cell X to cell Y or preset A to preset B you have to re-slice it which can be very time consuming (and not something you would ever do live).


The slice markers are still built into the preset as of version 2.0. There is some good news in that you can now copy and rename presets. Also, if you want to get really tweaky, you can always edit the XML files with a test editor to copy and paste slice markers inside presets.

Thanks for the suggestion. We will keep it in mind.

Aaron
cityz3n
Can't seem to get this working:
When you record with a preset length, the clip will automatically begin playing back when the recording is complete. You can shut this off in Settings if needed. (Aaron, about a new feature in 2.00)

Am I doing something wrong or overlooking something?
It would be great when a clip starts immediately after a preset length recording.
cityz3n
Ok. Stupid mistake...
I actually thought I updated, but I forgot to hold info en home buttons while powering up.
So problem solved.
Gyroscope
cityz3n wrote:
Can't seem to get this working:
When you record with a preset length, the clip will automatically begin playing back when the recording is complete. You can shut this off in Settings if needed. (Aaron, about a new feature in 2.00)

Am I doing something wrong or overlooking something?
It would be great when a clip starts immediately after a preset length recording.


On calme le jeu. Est-ce qu'il y a mort d'homme? hihi Just reseen La Haine last week. Still as good!
digidandy
Is it possible to use external software, like with the Morphagene, to make splices in samples? Audacity, perhaps? Or Reaper?
Trooper
Take a look in the 1010 forum, there someone asked the same, it should be possible there are simple files you can edit, but with what and so i can't remember.
cityz3n
Yeah great movie!
It's been a while since I saw it.
Maybe time to give another go.


Gyroscope wrote:
cityz3n wrote:
Can't seem to get this working:
When you record with a preset length, the clip will automatically begin playing back when the recording is complete. You can shut this off in Settings if needed. (Aaron, about a new feature in 2.00)

Am I doing something wrong or overlooking something?
It would be great when a clip starts immediately after a preset length recording.


On calme le jeu. Est-ce qu'il y a mort d'homme? hihi Just reseen La Haine last week. Still as good!
digidandy
Trooper wrote:
Take a look in the 1010 forum, there someone asked the same, it should be possible there are simple files you can edit, but with what and so i can't remember.


Thanks for the tip. I did a search, but nothing obvious came up, so was hoping someone here knew.

Also posted in Bitbox forum, but no reply as of yet.
sixnon
digidandy wrote:
Is it possible to use external software, like with the Morphagene, to make splices in samples? Audacity, perhaps? Or Reaper?


I'm not sure about this version but the prior versions the XML was a proprietory format. You could manipulate the slices within that file using a text editor, but to the best of my knowledge not create them externally.

(although Aaron's post above suggests pretty clearly that it remains the same)
digidandy
sixnon wrote:
digidandy wrote:
Is it possible to use external software, like with the Morphagene, to make splices in samples? Audacity, perhaps? Or Reaper?


I'm not sure about this version but the prior versions the XML was a proprietory format. You could manipulate the slices within that file using a text editor, but to the best of my knowledge not create them externally.

(although Aaron's post above suggests pretty clearly that it remains the same)


Just got confirmation that nothing's changed in 2.0, so no support for external sample editor markers as of yet.
1010music
Dear all,

We are pleased to make available a performance video showing off the new features in Bitbox 2.0.



Special thanks to Dan Pearson for making this look and sound good. Let me also thank all of you for the feature suggestions. This new version is our attempt to address some of the most popular ones.

Thank you for your support,

The 1010music Team
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Jimmie Walker says DYNO-MITE!!!!!!!!!!
Southfork
Interested in this since the 2.0 firmware but it's still not clear from manual or demos what parameters can be cv'd? hmmm..... anyone made a list? seriously, i just don't get it

*Update - just re-read the manual and it is in there. All the parameters in the table with mod target "yes" d'oh!
lucringeisen
some of you guys using it as a (clocked) looper for live situation ? what about the work flow ? the bitbox looks amazing but isn't too "menu-y" ? those digital module always scare me a bit regarding workflow, especially playing live...?
DruidTek
The touch screen is very intuitive, and quite suited to live performance. There's actually very little menu diving and every parameter has a dedicated knob.
It's a lot like using a stripped down version of one of the old Akai samplers, mashed up with ReCycle, workflow wise.
lucringeisen
DruidTek wrote:
The touch screen is very intuitive, and quite suited to live performance. There's actually very little menu diving and every parameter has a dedicated knob.
It's a lot like using a stripped down version of one of the old Akai samplers, mashed up with ReCycle, workflow wise.


sounds good, was gonna buy a 4ms looping delay but you are not helping me to save a few bucks smile) thanks for your infos ! I think it will make it to my rack
lucringeisen
some of you guys using it as a looper with an external clock (and drum machines etc) ? are the loops really perfectly in sync for as long as wished ?
lucringeisen
lucringeisen wrote:
some of you guys using it as a looper with an external clock (and drum machines etc) ? are the loops really perfectly in sync for as long as wished ?


asking this because I want to upgrade to bitbox for looping live tightly slaved to drum machines, the 4ms DLD does the job for me so far but only since the firmware V2 that has 5 new algorythms to fix clock jittering to pick from depending on your master clock generator. before that the loops were drifting away after a while. What about the Bitbox behaviour regarding this ?
cityz3n
lucringeisen wrote:
some of you guys using it as a looper with an external clock (and drum machines etc) ? are the loops really perfectly in sync for as long as wished ?


With external clock it stays perfectly in sync as long as you want.
The Grump
Just a quick shout out. I met Aaron of 1010 at NAMM, and gotta say that dude is cool as fuck in person. I have a feeling my skiff may find some 1010 in it in the near future.
lucringeisen
Hi ! First day testing the Bitbox, I need a looper to record and play synth sequences in a live show, perfectly in sync with ext. analog drum machines. I noticed that for most of the synth loops a quantization at 1/2 is fine. Though, the mini drifts are noticable and very unpleasant when playing back "fast arpeggios" kind of sequences (those need prefect clocking). after trying all quantization I noticed 1/8 is the best for those kind of sequences (tighter than this is affecting too much the original grrove of the sequence).

The problem is that it seems that AUTO PLAY (after record cylce is over) does not work for quantizations tighter than 1/2 ?? It does not work for QUANT= 1/4, 1/6, 1/8 etc unless I misunderstood something? If not is there any way to fix this ? I can sure trigger the recorded sample with a gate or manually but this is changing a lot the work flow when playing live.... was the firmware 1 behaving similarly with tight quantizations ? (=auto play doesn't work)
Shledge
Update to 2.0 and those issues should be fixed.
lucringeisen