Verbos Bark Filter Processor

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: lisa, luketeaford, Kent, Joe.

Post Reply
User avatar
WIZARDISHUNGRY
Common Wiggler
Posts: 208
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:19 pm
Location: NYC

Verbos Bark Filter Processor

Post by WIZARDISHUNGRY » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:38 pm

not a great photo but all the labels are visible
Image

User avatar
ynth
You're a gazelle
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:32 am
Location: Route 66
Contact:

Post by ynth » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:43 pm

Beauty. Is this a custom job? Price?

User avatar
Leverkusen
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2244
Joined: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:26 am
Location: Suhlendorf

Post by Leverkusen » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:46 pm

It looks beautiful - I am excited now how it will sound!

:eek:


User avatar
Worwell
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 810
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:06 am
Location: California

Post by Worwell » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:13 pm

Very nice. Any info on hp, price, availability date?

Dogma
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 4135
Joined: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:46 pm

Post by Dogma » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:10 pm

Very interesting...I'm sure it's some Buchla riff - interesting to have those end followers on such specific frequecies
look up!

User avatar
ym2612
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1099
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:54 am
Location: Brooklyn, NY

Post by ym2612 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:30 pm

296-ish!

User avatar
CF3
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3017
Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:40 pm
Location: San Francisco

Post by CF3 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:32 pm

From the big Verbos thread.....

ghrobbing_tristle said:
Mark is showing off an incredible new module at MiM -- it's a 16-band filter/spectral analyzer thing-a-ma-jig. Amazing tilt-like controls, you can address odd and even bands, and it has a row of envelope followers -- one per band. I'm sure this description is totally inadequate, and others will surely fill in the blanks better than I can.

Tough to gauge it given the environment of the fair. Mark says it should be ready to go in a few weeks. Just waiting for a few final parts. It's dense as hell.
looks to be ready soon

User avatar
mritenburg
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1882
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:17 pm
Location: Boston

Post by mritenburg » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:50 pm

Dogma wrote:Very interesting...I'm sure it's some Buchla riff - interesting to have those end followers on such specific frequecies
Beginning at 100hz it looks like the filters represent every other, or 1/2 of the critical bands of the bark scale.
Disappointment with any module is usually a failure of imagination.

Ummm, I guess you would call it techno.


User avatar
carvingcode
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 308
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 5:34 am
Location: Ohio
Contact:

Post by carvingcode » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:02 pm

It has the same mechanism as the Harmonic Oscillator for moving through the bands via CV. Looks like moocho HP...

User avatar
ignatius
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 15471
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:03 pm
Location: oregon
Contact:

Post by ignatius » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:17 pm

CF3 wrote:From the big Verbos thread.....

ghrobbing_tristle said:
Mark is showing off an incredible new module at MiM -- it's a 16-band filter/spectral analyzer thing-a-ma-jig. Amazing tilt-like controls, you can address odd and even bands, and it has a row of envelope followers -- one per band. I'm sure this description is totally inadequate, and others will surely fill in the blanks better than I can.

Tough to gauge it given the environment of the fair. Mark says it should be ready to go in a few weeks. Just waiting for a few final parts. It's dense as hell.
looks to be ready soon
the one in the photo is only 12 bands though.. unless there's something i'm ignoring?

looks great though. i love those things in buchla.. 296 and 296e.. they can do some really useful things. great for sound design.. really.

with the verbos Bark, the 4ms Smrf, the serge res EQMKII, and maybe one day the sputnik version they'll be a lot of options for the multiband filterbank world. :)

User avatar
mdoudoroff
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3669
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:10 am
Location: New York City

Post by mdoudoroff » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:58 pm

Looks like happy a collision between a 296 and a RxMx+FxDF.

The even and odd outs perhaps make more sense (to me) than the A/B/C arrangement of the RxMx. Perhaps.

Or perhaps I am misinterpreting the photo?

User avatar
Worwell
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 810
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:06 am
Location: California

Post by Worwell » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:25 pm

I'm trying to get my head around envelope followers for each band. What are the practical applications for this?

User avatar
ablearcher
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 612
Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:00 pm
Location: Portland
Contact:

Post by ablearcher » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:36 pm

A classic analog vocoder consists of two sets of some number of bandpass filters, the individual amplitudes of one set imposed on another (the spectral envelope). So the envelope followers are probably there to allow vocoder like effects, or other applications where you want cv from one particular frequency band to control somehing else.

calaveras
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3495
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:02 pm

Post by calaveras » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:40 pm

yeah saw that at MiM yesterday. Pretty overwhelming amount of new stuff at that little show, considering I have been to book fairs that occupied more tables. Still the Verbos, Rossum, AQA and Synth Tech stuff was mind blowing.
The concert later that night was jaw dropping.
That laser shit? the fuuuuuuuck.
I expected nth dimensional demons to come through a portal in the wall.

ps what he ^ said about vocoder. That was my first thought as well.

User avatar
Worwell
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 810
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:06 am
Location: California

Post by Worwell » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:54 pm

calaveras wrote: ps what he ^ said about vocoder. That was my first thought as well.
Thank you. That then begs the question, what is the practical use for a vocoder other than making oneself sound like a robot? Is it a useful sound design tool?

User avatar
gryfon1
The Chaos Acres Home for Electrons
Posts: 476
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:52 pm
Location: Lansing, MI

Post by gryfon1 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:02 pm

Worwell wrote:
calaveras wrote: ps what he ^ said about vocoder. That was my first thought as well.
Thank you. That then begs the question, what is the practical use for a vocoder other than making oneself sound like a robot? Is it a useful sound design tool?
I don't know of any concrete and specific uses, but consider what happens when the control band is not mapped to the same band on the processing unit. Whether swapping even and odd, raising or lowering the whole spectrum, or inverting it, there should be some sound design possibilities it would be hard to get any other way.

User avatar
trickness
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 543
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:08 pm

Post by trickness » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:40 pm

Mark told me it will be end of October/November and the price will likely be $749. The build is apparently super complex. I got a brief demo and it was insane - sounded unreal and did some ridiculously cool stuff. Didn't get the HP unfortunately. And someone asked Mark about it being used a vocoder and he was a bit meh on that idea, but acknowledged that you could kind of use it as one. He loaded the ins under each band with a bunch of sound sources, noise, sample & hold, and then scanned it and it was just wow.

And YEAH, the laser/Tearing Light From Sound set was RIDICULOUS.
Last edited by trickness on Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Endorfinity
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 316
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:55 am
Location: Moskva

Post by Endorfinity » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:51 pm

THAT is definitely interesting

User avatar
Leverkusen
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2244
Joined: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:26 am
Location: Suhlendorf

Post by Leverkusen » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:08 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:Looks like happy a collision between a 296 and a RxMx+FxDF.

The even and odd outs perhaps make more sense (to me) than the A/B/C arrangement of the RxMx. Perhaps.

Or perhaps I am misinterpreting the photo?
I’d say the RxMx is another concept, though bound to the FxDF and with its similar width and center controls it comes near in a much smaller incarnation. But since it s primarily a mixer it has the A/B/C output arrangement. For me the even/odd arrangement starts to make sense with bigger setups as the verbos one. I did not got too excited about the scan&pan for that reason too.

Worwell wrote:
calaveras wrote: ps what he ^ said about vocoder. That was my first thought as well.
Thank you. That then begs the question, what is the practical use for a vocoder other than making oneself sound like a robot? Is it a useful sound design tool?
The good thing about a vocoder setup is that you don’t have to feed in your voice. It just copies the spectral content of one signal to another. This could be a voice, field recordings, a complex waveform - anything that has some interesting spectral content. Though depending on the design of it and the carrier input it can sound interesting with a voice too. And as mentioned above you might override the normalizations and reconnect the different bands of both signals in any way you want. Or just use it with a lot of different modulation inputs on just one signal, or two signals in parallel.

This a very simple example of an analogical module in 5U, the spectral processor, fed with all modulation sources I had at that point - does not have the nifty center/width functionality but you can get an idea what id does to quite simple (steady) audio signal:


[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/180738020" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Now just imagine this in well done... :hihi:

Or better do a search for videos of the corresponding Buchla unit - there a lot and many are great!

Another application could be to use it as signal analyzer and CV generator. It gives you an CV signal from the envelope followers everytime a single frequency band occurs in your input signal, probably when doing a complex feedback/slef generating patch. Or just having envelopes on the kick and the hats of a drum loop. Or processing different spectral parts of signal separately with other modules like delays with different delay times.

Finally the width and center controls can work as odd emulations of LP/BP/HP Filters.
Last edited by Leverkusen on Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
ignatius
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 15471
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:03 pm
Location: oregon
Contact:

Post by ignatius » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:54 pm

Worwell wrote:I'm trying to get my head around envelope followers for each band. What are the practical applications for this?
all kinds of things. run a drum loop through it. focus in on the kick or snare. send an envelope out every time the kick or snare hits. instant beat sync'd modulation.

or you could derive a gate from it using a slope detector or comparator and trigger a sound to layer or replace the sound that's triggering the envelope.

you can do this kind of stuff with the 4ms smr as well. i think it's in the example patches. worthy of a read of the manual just for ideas on how to apply those things with whatever you have already in your system. manuals can be a nice source of patch ideas and inspiration.

Zube
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 413
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:25 am
Location: Spain

Post by Zube » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:45 am

Wow this looks great. I was just watching several 296 videos this weekend trying to wrap my head around the functionality. Very excited to check one out.

User avatar
ben_hex
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 6723
Joined: Sun May 12, 2013 12:58 pm
Location: West Yorkshire, England

Post by ben_hex » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:53 am

Worwell wrote:I'm trying to get my head around envelope followers for each band. What are the practical applications for this?
Vocoding drums against noise is fantastic! Ableton Live's basic Vocoder does a good job. With a variable noise source (digital clock noise for example) and a crossfader for dry/wet vocoder mix you can do some great things.
All DivKid video series to be found here!
http://www.youtube.com/divkidvideo

User avatar
chiavere
Common Wiggler
Posts: 149
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:12 pm
Contact:

Post by chiavere » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:38 pm

This looks like a great Verbos take on the 296 (and it beats out the Sputnik euro version by getting to market first!), but am I missing how the "program" capability from the 296 is incorporated, or is it not there?

User avatar
chiavere
Common Wiggler
Posts: 149
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:12 pm
Contact:

Post by chiavere » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:47 pm

chiavere wrote:This looks like a great Verbos take on the 296 (and it beats out the Sputnik euro version by getting to market first!), but am I missing how the "program" capability from the 296 is incorporated, or is it not there?
Oh, oops – I now see that there are "program inputs" under the sliders, and the "frequency scan" covers "program control" -- so would the "program outs" be the "all filters" out, or ?

I've also attached a better photo Verbos posted today on FB so I can contribute something!
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by chiavere on Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”