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Clone wars : Miami/Yocto and Nava
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Author Clone wars : Miami/Yocto and Nava
anselmi
I'm interesred in analogue clones of 808 and 909

Miami would be a natural contender for the 808, and maybe the upcoming Detroit for the 909. In the other hand you got the Yocto and Nava.

Could anybody make a list of pros/cons of this machines, as well as any known issue? Important stuff would be sound (vs originals) sequencer features and feel, and UI

I'm not interested in Roland's emulations, MFBs, Jomox, Rytm

Thanks!
Zerius
The best 808 / 909 clones are Yocto and Nava because they use same components or decent equivalent (in term of sound and sequencer to my opinion), you just need to build the machines so if you have enough competencies this a really good option.

Miami is really nice clone too it sound really similar to 808, the clap is a little weak compare to the original but for the price it's a really nice clone.

Concerning the new coming Detroit 909 I think you should wait for some more review, it will coming after April / May
h4ndcrafted
The Miami from what I have heard sounds excellent, but there are differences. tuning in cowbell etc.



I have a Yocto, it is 98% of the way there, for some reason the snare doesn't seem quite so full on mine and the kick doesn't sing as long to a tr without compression.

If you can't buy the original, Nava and Yocto are as close as it comes. The Jomox thing looks excellent, I'm not a fan of the kicks on them, but the majority seem to be.

Personally I rate sound before any sequencer, a great seq isn't much unless the sound is useful. The Yocto is useful straight away in the same way the TR is, instant ready for processing and goes right where you need it.
noisejockey
I have a Miami for when I need 808 flavor. I don't care to be a purist about, well, anything, really. Works great, has some editing abilities the original didn't have, smaller, DINSync and MIDI. I've really enjoyed having it and using it. (Just wish more of the tones were tuneable. Told you I'm no purist.)
soup
noisejockey wrote:
I have a Miami for when I need 808 flavor ... Just wish more of the tones were tuneable.


I drilled holes into the faceplate of my miami to access the trimmers without having to take the entire thing apart. This adds the ability to tune/detune the cowbell which I really like as well as goose the noise in the snare/clap. The real advantage of the yocto is that since it's thru-hole you can easily mod the kick to be tuneable.

I had a mfb 522 once upon a time and while it's not a clone per se it definitely has the 808 flavor and the kick is tuneable. It's kick ass for the money/size.
anselmi
thanks for you replies, guys!

any known issues or bugs on the yocto/nava?

has the sequencer extra features, like the quicksilver chips for the 606/303?
IR
There are other clones, with PC boards available once in a while.

For example:

MB-808, also known as MIDIbox 808: also has an LCD and zap sound
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_808.html




9090: rack mount 909 clone, no sequencer
http://www.9090project.co.uk/

8raw8, 808 without sequencer, not a kit
http://8raw8.com/index.php/about/
anselmi
IR wrote:
There are other clones, with PC boards available once in a while.

For example:

MB-808, also known as MIDIbox 808: also has an LCD and zap sound
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_808.html




9090: rack mount 909 clone, no sequencer
http://www.9090project.co.uk/

8raw8, 808 without sequencer, not a kit
http://8raw8.com/index.php/about/



any advantage over the yocto? the zap seems to be generater by an external instrument...
and the LCD...well, I think it´s not relevant for my usual workflow
AdamJay
I would really wait for the Acidlab Detroit if serious about a 909 clone. Seems to be just a couple months away.

I love that Acidlab rhythm sequencers have 192 pattern memories.
anselmi
AdamJay wrote:
I would really wait for the Acidlab Detroit if serious about a 909 clone. Seems to be just a couple months away.


something against the nava?
AdamJay
anselmi wrote:
AdamJay wrote:
I would really wait for the Acidlab Detroit if serious about a 909 clone. Seems to be just a couple months away.


something against the nava?


No. But when there is a serious competitor in route, with larger memory, patience can be a virtue.


Sorry, what I should have posted was "I would wait to see/hear the Detroit"
anselmi
AdamJay wrote:
anselmi wrote:
AdamJay wrote:
I would really wait for the Acidlab Detroit if serious about a 909 clone. Seems to be just a couple months away.


something against the nava?


No. But when there is a serious competitor in route, with larger memory, patience can be a virtue.


Sorry, what I should have posted was "I would wait to see/hear the Detroit"


OK!

I´m still evaluating options...I can wait until NAMM and maybe a little more to see how good is the Detroit
rarara
Anyone got an idea of the current price in £ of the Yocto or Nava, to buy all components including a metal enclosure, shipping etc??
h4ndcrafted
rarara wrote:
Anyone got an idea of the current price in £ of the Yocto or Nava, to buy all components including a metal enclosure, shipping etc??


Just go to the Yocto site, also Erica synths do a case. You need the kit and there is also a BOM there to add.


http://www.e-licktronic.com/en/

http://www.ericasynths.lv/en/shop
nadafarms
thoughts:

from the demos i've heard the nava and yocto sound like the best clones.

owned several 808's and the miami falls quite a bit flat for me, the kick has a roundish square sound that is too clean the real 808 kick is way more rough distorted and overdriven, real 808 kick has a ghost in the machine type vibe the way it miss triggers with long decays. several of the miami voices fall flat for me

yocto just sounds way more on point, not so crazy excited about the detroit.

I was surprised playing with my friends hex inverter bd9 kick clone and it smokes the real 909 kick like big time, wish it was part of full drum machine...
depth20
IR wrote:
There are other clones, with PC boards available once in a while.

For example:

MB-808, also known as MIDIbox 808: also has an LCD and zap sound


Ugh, don't mention the MB808, it ended up as a scam. A bunch of people prepaid Doug Wellington for PCBs and parts that we never got, didn't get no refund either.
h4ndcrafted
Don't forget there is also this clone! No sequencer though.

http://en.traxmag.com/article/34651-a-french-built-a-perfect-handmade- clone-of-the-tr-808
anselmi
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Don't forget there is also this clone! No sequencer though.

http://en.traxmag.com/article/34651-a-french-built-a-perfect-handmade- clone-of-the-tr-808


yep, the guy seems to take it seriously, but no sequencer is a dealbreak for me...

yes, you could attach a beatstep pro to it but I found that I´m really lazy for this kind of things and preffer to just turn on the thing and program it inmediatly, without any kind of cable work
MATSmile
You really can't go wrong with MFB Tanzbar. Sequencer is much more advanced than on any other machine, plus you get two simple CV/MIDI sequencers.
Zerius
I really want to hear a comparison between Yocto and Tr-808 if anyone have some videos to share help

Anyone had some issues with their Yocto to build or to play with it ?
anselmi
Zerius wrote:
I really want to hear a comparison between Yocto and Tr-808 if anyone have some videos to share help


+1

Quote:
Anyone had some issues with their Yocto to build or to play with it ?


I´d like to know it too
miminashi
Sorta off-topic, but... can someone point me to a case for the TR9090? I've had my PCB + parts for years but have never started assembly since I have no case... I emailed synthage a while back but got no response.
h4ndcrafted
anselmi wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Don't forget there is also this clone! No sequencer though.

http://en.traxmag.com/article/34651-a-french-built-a-perfect-handmade- clone-of-the-tr-808


yep, the guy seems to take it seriously, but no sequencer is a dealbreak for me...

yes, you could attach a beatstep pro to it but I found that I´m really lazy for this kind of things and preffer to just turn on the thing and program it inmediatly, without any kind of cable work


Just remember that the Yocto sequencer is really basic, boringly basic. I still love it for it's sound though. Tactile though and easy for live jamming.
julian
miminashi wrote:
Sorta off-topic, but... can someone point me to a case for the TR9090? I've had my PCB + parts for years but have never started assembly since I have no case... I emailed synthage a while back but got no response.


The introspectiv clone by trevor?

I was flogging some panels in the forsale section only last month...
miminashi
julian wrote:
I was flogging some panels in the forsale section only last month...

PM'd. cool
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