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Noise Engineering Cursus Iteritas
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uebl
Depending on what you're trying to achieve it's not important at all. But if you're looking for sounds that don't scream, subtle modulation is generally the way to go. NE oscillators often offer a wide variety of sounds, so heavy modulation likely gets you into screaming territory.
joskery
Yeah. The majority of YouTube demos are of people modulating everything end-to-end, which results in the noisy mess that the demos are. Subtle modulation allows for precision.
worra
joskery wrote:
Yeah. The majority of YouTube demos are of people modulating everything end-to-end, which results in the noisy mess that the demos are. Subtle modulation allows for precision.


Not to topic shift too much but what are your favorite space-saving attenuation methods?
uebl
worra wrote:
joskery wrote:
Yeah. The majority of YouTube demos are of people modulating everything end-to-end, which results in the noisy mess that the demos are. Subtle modulation allows for precision.


Not to topic shift too much but what are your favorite space-saving attenuation methods?


Well, just use small (2hp or 4hp) attenuator modules or attenuating patch cables (I personally hate and would never them, tho), or, even better, use a modulation source which allows you to set the modulation level, e.g. Pam's New Workout, SSF Ultra Random Analog (at least for it's 2 "main" outs) etc.
gringz
ok i get it, well as a manis will soon be on the way i'm really interrested in space-saving attenuation methods as well!! i've seen thonks AT-AT-AT, 3 att for like 4hp something, but if you have better or somehting DIY i'll take it ! smile
uebl
There's the 2hp attenuator which has 2 passive attenuators in.. well.. 2hp, and the WMD/SSF Quad atten which has 4 passive attenuators in 4hp. I like the latter much better because of the knob size, but I guess it depends on the size and layout of your rack.
gringz
wow seems reaaly expensive though, i' think i'll go for the AT-AT-AT, for even less than the WMD i have 6attenuators, plus it's diy so it's fun smile only it's more hps, but all in all it's not that much more so i say it's worth it, thanks !
Bachelard
I have the Fonitronik Cascade, which I believe is like the AT-AT-AT but much more flexible. You can use it as a mixer/offset/attenuverter.

And back to the Cursus - I almost NEVER turn the Fold up. I'm also not a fan of the harsh/noisy side of NE oscillators, and have used the Cursus mainly for mellow ambient type stuff. The first mode (D?) I find the mellowest, and the other two gets very rich and buzzy (in very pleasant ways though) once you turn up the Centre and Structure.

but yes, definitely need to attenuate the modulation before going in.
scuto
gringz wrote:
ok i get it, well as a manis will soon be on the way i'm really interrested in space-saving attenuation methods as well!! i've seen thonks AT-AT-AT, 3 att for like 4hp something, but if you have better or somehting DIY i'll take it ! smile


https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/airtenuator-pcb-kit/
gringz
scuto wrote:
gringz wrote:
ok i get it, well as a manis will soon be on the way i'm really interrested in space-saving attenuation methods as well!! i've seen thonks AT-AT-AT, 3 att for like 4hp something, but if you have better or somehting DIY i'll take it ! smile


https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/airtenuator-pcb-kit/


yep i've seen those, but i really don't like the idea of having flying attenuators.. no objective reason
Tumulishroomaroom
I have the WMD/SSF right next to Loquelic/Manis and despite being utterly not sexy; it's one of my favorite module because its nice to use and it breathes life to a patch as you can wiggle the amount of attenuation. Any VCA will do to if you want to automate the process; me I prefer attenuators so I can play them.
gringz
zlob modular 6VCA could be interresting as well, i just thought of it, not that expensive for 6 goddamn vcas!!
scuto
gringz wrote:
scuto wrote:
gringz wrote:
ok i get it, well as a manis will soon be on the way i'm really interrested in space-saving attenuation methods as well!! i've seen thonks AT-AT-AT, 3 att for like 4hp something, but if you have better or somehting DIY i'll take it ! smile


https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/airtenuator-pcb-kit/


yep i've seen those, but i really don't like the idea of having flying attenuators.. no objective reason


I totally get that--I have an irrational dislike for shiny knobs. One of my favorite things about modular is finding the solutions that work best for me, while still being inspired by the other stuff and how others use it even if it's not what I want or need. This is fun!
gringz
OMG you don't like shiny knobs!!!! shame on you!!! haha yes well i'd be inclined to make progress that way as well, plus you often discover new ways to patch, new sounds you can achieve with what you have that you never would have thought by yourself.. it's really inspiring wink
Futuresound
Bachelard wrote:

And back to the Cursus - I almost NEVER turn the Fold up. I'm also not a fan of the harsh/noisy side of NE oscillators, and have used the Cursus mainly for mellow ambient type stuff. The first mode (D?) I find the mellowest, and the other two gets very rich and buzzy (in very pleasant ways though) once you turn up the Centre and Structure.

but yes, definitely need to attenuate the modulation before going in.


That Fold knob (as with Loquelic) is a powerful beast. It's nice going into the right filter but you do have to be careful with it.

The controls on Cursus are very inter-related, but I find Structure has a big part to play in the character. Even harmonics (counter clockwise) can sound 'more analog' or rougher, while odd harmonics (clockwise) sound 'more digital' or smoother to me.
kbithecrowing
I also tend to keep the fold pretty low, but it's nice to slowly increase it durng a drone patch for swells of intensity. I also find the fold knob to be interesting to play with if you have edge cranked. The folding takes on a different character that doesn't sound the same a the typical "WOOOOW" foliding. Not really a clean sound, but an expansion of it's sound pallette for sure.

I'd also agree that structure has a good amount to do with the character of the sound. The other day I was experimented by modulating the structure knob with the same envelope that was controlling the CIs amplitude (attenuated, of course cool ). I was getting some pretty subtle movement that I couldn't necessarily pick out, but the CI sounded more plain without it. I'm sure the same technique could be used to good effect with other controls on the CI, as well.
scuto
gringz wrote:
OMG you don't like shiny knobs!!!! shame on you!!! haha yes well i'd be inclined to make progress that way as well, plus you often discover new ways to patch, new sounds you can achieve with what you have that you never would have thought by yourself.. it's really inspiring wink

Ha! Yes, sadly it's true. I like my heresy. hihi

This thread really isn't helping with my Cursus GAS.

Futuresound wrote:
Even harmonics (counter clockwise) can sound 'more analog' or rougher, while odd harmonics (clockwise) sound 'more digital' or smoother to me.

I've seen some describe Cursus as on the "colder" side of things w/r/t oscillators, so when you speak of even harmonics sounding "more analog", do you feel the coldness subsides a little, or are you just speaking to the roughness versus smoothness aspect?
Multi Grooves
gringz wrote:
zlob modular 6VCA could be interresting as well, i just thought of it, not that expensive for 6 goddamn vcas!!



Don't take this on if it is your first build- many have struggled with it.
gringz
it wouldn't be my first and i've read the thread, i'm quite confident (might be wrong though haha), we'll see!
Arcana
Can anyone suggest (or make) a video about this module that demonstrates a more “melodic” side? I’m interested hut my rack is getting tight and need to decide on my modules carefully. The sound of the alias is a trusty really great. I’m into electro-pop and fake bit styles. I do already have a BIA also, so I am roughly familiar with heir other stuff.
Futuresound
Futuresound wrote:
Even harmonics (counter clockwise) can sound 'more analog' or rougher, while odd harmonics (clockwise) sound 'more digital' or smoother to me.

I've seen some describe Cursus as on the "colder" side of things w/r/t oscillators, so when you speak of even harmonics sounding "more analog", do you feel the coldness subsides a little, or are you just speaking to the roughness versus smoothness aspect?[/quote]

I was referring more to a textural difference, not really sure about warm or cold.
modbear
I've had Cursus for a couple of weeks. I'm not sure I would describe it as either "warm" or "cold". It's versatile and has its own palette of sounds and possibilities for modulation that I wouldn't easily be able to get from my other oscillators (including DPO, Mangrove, Just Friends, Plaits, and BIA).

For additive synthesis this is probably my favorite oscillator so far.
NoLegs
This one features the Cursus Iteritas pretty heavily. I have it running into the Audio input of the Erica Synths Fusion VCO so the tube VCO tracks it, and then into the Rabid Elephant Natural Gate, and finally into the Erica Synths Fusion Delay/Flanger/Vintage Ensemble. It comes in around 2:10.

Rest of the sounds are coming from a BIA, Manis Iteritas, SSF Entity Percussion Synth, Pico Drum and Morphagene.

Outsider Sound Design
Testing out the Noise Engineering Cursus Iteritas with a Planar2, MAK Crazy Sound Technology Octronix, and Walrus Audio Descent.

NoLegs
Cursus Iteritas through the Joranalogue Filter 8.

There's also some Manis Iteritas and Loquelic Iteritas Percido in there as well, but it's mostly Cursus.

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