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xclark
Malekko Heavy Industries just announced 3 grooveboxes, including a collaboration with Industrial Music Electronics. (prototypes shown below)

Manther monosynth


BFF wavetable synth


Mr.D drum machine






Can't wait to hear more! nanners
GrantB
sequencers look super easy
CF3
BFF Hug

I'm a sucker for anything that has wavetables and an analog filter.
565
I keep thinking the drum machine is called Dr. M.

Can't wait to hear some demos. Intrigued!
Zerius
These boxes look great !
Just need to wait more demos now
acidbob
Manther for me please... Can't wait hyper Hope there is a little chance it will be available with Roland kinda filter and the Oberheim... But of course needs to be the Malekko take on it

That and the Acidlab Detroit will be my purchases for 2017
hyena
i'm drooling after mr.d and bff we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
bkbirge
Would be awesome if they were compatible with rolands k25 keybd.
anselmi
bkbirge wrote:
Would be awesome if they were compatible with rolands k25 keybd.


they seems to be too big to fit into the K25 bay
numan7
so (from the 1 - 4 LEDs) it looks like the wavetable one ('BFF' - i suppose i'm in the camp that hopes Malekko decides not to use the prototype names, and goes with something less cute/controversial like 'M101, M102, M111, etc...' for the production versions) is a 4-voice poly, and (from the 4 sets of CV and Gate outputs) also functions as a basic 4 channel midi-cv converter. cool!

i wonder what color its sequencer buttons are (when lit)?


cheers
fano
why trigger inputs though? aren't outputs more preferable?
hyena
fano wrote:
why trigger inputs though? aren't outputs more preferable?


because a lot of people (me included) would like to add additional weird triggering from the modular and\or piezo mics or whatever. plus with a minimum of fuss you can use the regular audio outs to trigger stuff on your modular...in the best of worlds you'd have trig in, trig out and individual outs tho grin
Chopper
did he say $599 for the Manther??? if so, i am all over it, considering my love for its ''inspiration'' smile
noisejockey
hyena wrote:
fano wrote:
why trigger inputs though? aren't outputs more preferable?


because a lot of people (me included) would like to add additional weird triggering from the modular and\or piezo mics or whatever. plus with a minimum of fuss you can use the regular audio outs to trigger stuff on your modular...in the best of worlds you'd have trig in, trig out and individual outs tho grin


Oh man, yep, THIS. This is why I have both outboard drum machines and drums in the rack: x0x style beat programming and classic sounds on the one hand, and complex triggering and exacting sound design on the other. Any opportunity to cross these streams is worth checking out!

Plus, who wouldn't get excited for a drum machine by a man who wears a Skinny Puppy hoodie?
calaveras
I cant wait to hear the Big Fat Fuck, I mean the Best Fucking Friends.
Whatever it's called, love wavetables and analog filters.
gentle_attack
Is the Manther analog? I'll admit I'm on a phone and didn't watch the vids.

Its not directly a MC-202 destroyer without the ridiculously hard to manage (but unparalleled) sequencer, but for normal people that's probably a good thing.
Abraxis
gentle_attack wrote:
Is the Manther analog? I'll admit I'm on a phone and didn't watch the vids.

Its not directly a MC-202 destroyer without the ridiculously hard to manage (but unparalleled) sequencer, but for normal people that's probably a good thing.


Yes, analog. Same filter and vco chips as Pro-One (among others).

These were The Exciting Thing From NAMM for me, especially the drums. Love the features, love the design. Nice price points too.

Can't wait to hear them.
anselmi
Abraxis wrote:
These were The Exciting Thing From NAMM for me, especially the drums. Love the features, love the design. Nice price points too. Can't wait to hear them.


+1! SlayerBadger! screaming goo yo w00t
TomzNotJerry
People getting put out by the names is the funniest thing I've read online in ages. Maybe they should call them Daisy, Rose & Lilly?

BFF I thought was for Beastly Furious Fiend. Mr D is what my kids friends call me & Manther is hilarious. It's just so silly it's funny. Anyway keep on getting upset over nothing.

Can't wait to grab all 3 of these. Can imagine years of fun.
Annwn
Even if the BFF was just a single oscillator, this would be freaking exciting. Can't begin to imagine what kind of droney madness one could get up to with 4 morphing wavetables going through a nice filter and a delay!

we're not worthy
hamildad
they had me at "Malekko is co-owned by entrepreneur Josh Holley and music industry veteran Paul Barker. Paul Barker is a former member of the bands Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Lard."

why would you not buy a drum machine overseen by the Ministry programmer?

I have my eyes on a drum machine this year... will be interested to hear this one, especially the hats.
Annwn
hamildad wrote:
they had me at "Malekko is co-owned by entrepreneur Josh Holley and music industry veteran Paul Barker. Paul Barker is a former member of the bands Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Lard."


Wow, I didn't realise that. I actually just saw Puscifer (with Barker on bass) on the weekend. Small world!
Isaiah
Just noticed these had a dedicated thread.

I'm curious to see how the BFF compares to Ambika.
I was considering building an Ambika, but I'll wait for UK pricing and some audio demos.

Anyone else think that Scott would probably make a great Leo Johnson at a fancy-dress party? hihi
anselmi
Isaiah wrote:
Just noticed these had a dedicated thread.

I'm curious to see how the BFF compares to Ambika.
I was considering building an Ambika, but I'll wait for UK pricing and some audio demos.

Anyone else think that Scott would probably make a great Leo Johnson at a fancy-dress party? hihi


sonicwise (to my ears) Ambika is a bland synth...I owned one and was disappointed by the lack of character...sold it

Scott is another history, he seems to love stuff with a strong personality, so I think the BFF would be much more interesting than the Ambika
hairbow
anselmi wrote:
Isaiah wrote:
Just noticed these had a dedicated thread.

I'm curious to see how the BFF compares to Ambika.
I was considering building an Ambika, but I'll wait for UK pricing and some audio demos.

Anyone else think that Scott would probably make a great Leo Johnson at a fancy-dress party? hihi


sonicwise (to my ears) Ambika is a bland synth...I owned one and was disappointed by the lack of character...sold it

Scott is another history, he seems to love stuff with a strong personality, so I think the BFF would be much more interesting than the Ambika


Yep. Ambika has an anemic gain staging thing going on, the analog filters/VCA don't really make up for it. The Shruthi sounds much better, though
Aarrgghh
Looks pretty cool! wink
DiscoDevil
As much as I love my Microwave, even with a Kiwi patch editor, it's a nightmare to program from scratch. Another poly wavetable synth with analog filter and a hands on UI would be great.
Al
Here's to hoping they have lots of MIDI functionality like velocity, CC's, etc. That would be fun.
suboptimal
If you don't like these you're probably dead. Or racist.

Eager to hear the drum machine.
tron23
suboptimal wrote:
If you don't like these you're probably dead. Or racist.

Eager to hear the drum machine.


Price is fair too, cant wait to have a proper listen on those three! w00t
Abraxis
Where dem demos at?

At NAMM it sounded like we'd be getting to hear these right after they got back.
koyl
Really excited about the Drum Machine (which is apparently not a vanilla one, which is great) and the BFF (whichh, if I'm not mistaken could be used to sequence outbord gear)

Abraxis wrote:
Where dem demos at?

At NAMM it sounded like we'd be getting to hear these right after they got back.

I just watched another video in which they said the demos will be available in a few weeks.
stikygum
Is the BFF mono or poly?

Good to hear demos are coming in a couple weeks.

anselmi wrote:
Isaiah wrote:
Just noticed these had a dedicated thread.

I'm curious to see how the BFF compares to Ambika.
I was considering building an Ambika, but I'll wait for UK pricing and some audio demos.

Anyone else think that Scott would probably make a great Leo Johnson at a fancy-dress party? hihi


sonicwise (to my ears) Ambika is a bland synth...I owned one and was disappointed by the lack of character...sold it

Scott is another history, he seems to love stuff with a strong personality, so I think the BFF would be much more interesting than the Ambika


Bland? I find it anything but bland. That thing gives you sweet vampire bites all night long.
Zerius
This is still a prototype so we will need to wait few weeks yes, I especially like the design of these boxes w00t
koyl
stikygum wrote:
Is the BFF mono or poly?

I'm pretty sure I heard from the Namm videos that it's poly, well it has 4 mono tracks (confirmed by the 4 CV outs on the box)

Scott is probably the inspiration behind Leo Johnson. I bet David Lynch saw Scott's future self in a quantic transcendental dream.
dadRabbit
I want all three of these so badly, time to sell some stuff
raised eyebrows
koyl wrote:
stikygum wrote:
Is the BFF mono or poly?

I'm pretty sure I heard from the Namm videos that it's poly, well it has 4 mono tracks (confirmed by the 4 CV outs on the box)


Yeah this aspect of the synth is a little confusing; it seems from watching both interviews that the BFF has 4 separate piston honda inspired wavetable oscillators which can be sequenced independently (and said sequences can be sent out from the 4 separate sets of CV outs), but only a single VCF and VCA (so I guess paraphonic, not polyphonic?) Not going to stop me from desperately wanting to buy it or anything, but just a clarification (based on the limited info which can be gleaned from the NAMM interviews).
Infinity Curve
Hurry up and release the BFF already, take my money!!
CMOSCrash
I'd love to check out the Manther. 202s are getting a bit pricey these days.
Numanoid92
Any news on this three little monsters?
tron23
Infinity Curve wrote:
Hurry up and release the BFF already, take my money!!


Same feelings here, I am sold to this thing. w00t
stikygum
Think these things are just taking longer to put together than initially thought.
computer controlled
From what i heard, they're doing slight revisions to the boards.
ghg
Can't wait, so I hope they really are coming out soon, especially the Mr. D.
calaveras
I need to hurry up and get a job so I can afford these.
Tcheck
I am excited for the things!!!
hyena
very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating
i'm starving for audio demos! especially mr.D
show us something and take my
stikygum
I feel like the Carrot has been dangled and all of us keep checking this bumped thread thinking/hoping that audio demos will be here waiting applause

That's not uncommon though. Happens to the best them. Patience is what allows the hardware to be awesome.
hyena
stikygum wrote:
I feel like the Carrot has been dangled and all of us keep checking this bumped thread thinking/hoping that audio demos will be here waiting applause

That's not uncommon though. Happens to the best them. Patience is what allows the hardware to be awesome.


hehehe yes! i have to stop drooling on that drum machine for a while grin
on paper it is THE drum machine i always dreamt about grin
Stides
I got an email that I can't find now. It was from Malekko inviting folks to that modular meet in Portland next month. They are showing new things. Hopefully it's these three funboxes.

Anyone else on the malekko mailing list that can find the email and paste it in?
setupsetup
I really like Malekko and I was thrilled to read this but DO THEY LOOK UGLY.....Why? The layout seems very simple and user-friendly but everything else.......did groove-boxes ever look sharp?
coolshirtdotjpg
really looking forward to the BFF and the drum machine.

I haven't used a groovebox before, but I think it would be the perfect compliment to my paired-down euro setup.
computer controlled
These really aren't groove boxes. At all.
ablearcher
hahaha. Was the MC-202 a groovebox then?

I think the style on these is great, industrial. Drum machine, and two synths with sequencers and some modular functionality.

What is even a groovebox? does it need to have drum machine and synth functionality at the same time to get that lofty label?
computer controlled
No it was not. That term wasn't even around then. Not until the MC-303. A "groovebox" (stupid name btw) is an all in one unit.

Otherwise, anything with a sequencer would be a "groovebox".
Numanoid92
Any news on when the will be available? Seems like they disappeared
Zerius
computer controlled wrote:
No it was not. That term wasn't even around then. Not until the MC-303. A "groovebox" (stupid name btw) is an all in one unit.

Otherwise, anything with a sequencer would be a "groovebox".


I always thought that a groovebox is a machine which sequence drum and synth at the same time
stikygum
To me a groovebox is an x0x style sequencer (like mc303, electribes, bff, etc) combined with a synth in one box. So a Tb303 is a groovebox whereas the Tr808 is not (it's a drum machine). But then you have drum machines that are basically a groovebox like Rytm and Sonic Potions Lxr. Though I still consider them drum machines with expanded capabilities. Also when I hear the name groovebox I tend to feel that name is dedicated to cheap trendy gear, which is why I don't like the term. But then again you have an awesome synth like the Radikal Spectralis which costs a lot and has been marketed as like the ultimate groovebox I believe. So as long as there is the x0x sequencer combined with a bass/lead synth voice, it's a groovebox.
DiscoDevil
Synth/samples + drums + sequencer + effects = groovebox.

All in one, electronic music creation kit.
computer controlled
stikygum wrote:
To me a groovebox is an x0x style sequencer (like mc303, electribes, bff, etc) combined with a synth in one box. So a Tb303 is a groovebox whereas the Tr808 is not (it's a drum machine). But then you have drum machines that are basically a groovebox like Rytm and Sonic Potions Lxr. Though I still consider them drum machines with expanded capabilities. Also when I hear the name groovebox I tend to feel that name is dedicated to cheap trendy gear, which is why I don't like the term. But then again you have an awesome synth like the Radikal Spectralis which costs a lot and has been marketed as like the ultimate groovebox I believe. So as long as there is the x0x sequencer combined with a bass/lead synth voice, it's a groovebox.


How is the TB-303 a groovebox?
coolshirtdotjpg
Jeez, what is this, liberal arts grad school? Call it whatever, I want sound demos!
ratsnake
Hoping that they will be ready for a reveal at Sooperbooth!
bkbirge
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Jeez, what is this, liberal arts grad school? Call it whatever, I want sound demos!


SlayerBadger!
stikygum
computer controlled wrote:
stikygum wrote:
To me a groovebox is an x0x style sequencer (like mc303, electribes, bff, etc) combined with a synth in one box. So a Tb303 is a groovebox whereas the Tr808 is not (it's a drum machine). But then you have drum machines that are basically a groovebox like Rytm and Sonic Potions Lxr. Though I still consider them drum machines with expanded capabilities. Also when I hear the name groovebox I tend to feel that name is dedicated to cheap trendy gear, which is why I don't like the term. But then again you have an awesome synth like the Radikal Spectralis which costs a lot and has been marketed as like the ultimate groovebox I believe. So as long as there is the x0x sequencer combined with a bass/lead synth voice, it's a groovebox.


How is the TB-303 a groovebox?


The same way the Korg EA-1 is. I may be contradicting myself here, but a sequencer + synth (evened sampled waveforms like an SH-32) + drums is a groove box. Though what I was saying is that I feel people put stuff like the EA-1 in the groove box category, which would put the TB-303 in that category also. But this is why I don't like the term groove box.

So out of the 3 Malekko products, we have two groove boxes, Manther and BFF, and one drum machine, the Mr. D.
Jason Brock
dadRabbit
Jason Brock wrote:


Dead Banana
Stides
This thread crashing and burning is directly related to the amount of news about these machines. I can't believe it's been 2 months and there hasn't even been one tiny bit of comment.
Abraxis
Stides wrote:
This thread crashing and burning is directly related to the amount of news about these machines. I can't believe it's been 2 months and there hasn't even been one tiny bit of comment.


Yeah, I really dont get why they went through the trouble and expense to go to NAMM to generate hype just to let it die.

The story there was 'these dont work because snowstorm, will have board in them next week!' and then nothing.

seriously, i just don't get it
CF3
NAMM = Not Available Maybe May (if you're lucky)
rico loverde
Abraxis wrote:
Stides wrote:
This thread crashing and burning is directly related to the amount of news about these machines. I can't believe it's been 2 months and there hasn't even been one tiny bit of comment.


Yeah, I really dont get why they went through the trouble and expense to go to NAMM to generate hype just to let it die.

The story there was 'these dont work because snowstorm, will have board in them next week!' and then nothing.

seriously, i just don't get it
at the time that was the case in regards to the protos. things change, other issues come up. its what happens when your developing a new product and in our case 3 new products. trust me when I say the project hasn't died and these will be released. they are coming along nicely and thats about all ill say.
Jim's computer beats
Can't wait to hear these, particularly the BFF and MR. D. hyper
computer controlled
These are def high on my must have list.
Abraxis
rico loverde wrote:
Abraxis wrote:
Stides wrote:
This thread crashing and burning is directly related to the amount of news about these machines. I can't believe it's been 2 months and there hasn't even been one tiny bit of comment.


Yeah, I really dont get why they went through the trouble and expense to go to NAMM to generate hype just to let it die.

The story there was 'these dont work because snowstorm, will have board in them next week!' and then nothing.

seriously, i just don't get it
at the time that was the case in regards to the protos. things change, other issues come up. its what happens when your developing a new product and in our case 3 new products. trust me when I say the project hasn't died and these will be released. they are coming along nicely and thats about all ill say.


That's good news, thanks for the update.
piearesquared
rico loverde wrote:
at the time that was the case in regards to the protos. things change, other issues come up. its what happens when your developing a new product and in our case 3 new products. trust me when I say the project hasn't died and these will be released. they are coming along nicely and thats about all ill say.


That is so good to hear/read, I put off all my gear purchases to see how the BFF pans out. I imagine something similar to the piston honda along with my 0-Coast and Scrutator would be noisy soundscape heaven
coolshirtdotjpg
Getting ready to sell my Sunn 1200s to pay for a BFF and Mr. D. I am that excited.
Numanoid92
I didn't understand one thing.. is the BFF polyphonic? Scott from Harvestman wasn't that clear on the Sonicstate video about it
Sir Ruff
Numanoid92 wrote:
I didn't understand one thing.. is the BFF polyphonic? Scott from Harvestman wasn't that clear on the Sonicstate video about it


I got the impression it was 4 oscillators (voices?). Would be great if it was 4 independent voices.
Numanoid92
Sir Ruff wrote:
Numanoid92 wrote:
I didn't understand one thing.. is the BFF polyphonic? Scott from Harvestman wasn't that clear on the Sonicstate video about it


I got the impression it was 4 oscillators (voices?). Would be great if it was 4 independent voices.


It would be cool if it'll be a 4 voice poly.. i think will be a great companion with my analog poly
computer controlled
Pretty certain it's 4 mono voices. It has 4 outputs for each voice, so that's what i'm assuming.
Numanoid92
computer controlled wrote:
Pretty certain it's 4 mono voices. It has 4 outputs for each voice, so that's what i'm assuming.


so probably something along those lines of the Elektron Analog Four
drox
show me the demo's smile
coolshirtdotjpg
I am the only one who is checking this every day?
Numanoid92
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
I am the only one who is checking this every day?


Me too, and unfortunatelly no news MY ASS IS BLEEDING
somonochrome
where are the demos????? cry

can't wait to hear them!!!!
xonetacular
hmm I missed this back in january but looks like nothing new now either
pricklyrobot
Any idea if the BFF can be played poly via MIDI? And thus also act as a poly MIDI-to-CV unit?
tron23
Numanoid92 wrote:
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
I am the only one who is checking this every day?


Me too, and unfortunatelly no news MY ASS IS BLEEDING


I need that 202! w00t
xonetacular
The more I look the more I need these

would love to get some news
KoryB
I keep checking YT and MW everyday for updates!!

Any word?
Chopper
Guys, stop asking for demos... everytime i see this thread bumped i hope that... oh wait...
nearly ghost
They look so good The hard part will be which one to buy first! Probably the bff for me
xonetacular
best I've got

KoryB
Is that rude if I mail meth to MalekkoHI to speed up production a bit? smile
pritzcobinger
Mr. D - that's a nice name for an interesting looking piece of gear.
Abraxis
Chopper wrote:
Guys, stop asking for demos... everytime i see this thread bumped i hope that... oh wait...


I know, right?!



screaming goo yo
coolshirtdotjpg
Just kicking the bee's nest to see if there's any more info
coolshirtdotjpg
Double post sorry
motormenace
I was wondering the same thing. I thought we'd see another tease about the boxes before April.... confused
Torn n Frayed
The latest Modular Podcast has Ben Davis from Malekko and gives some updates here;



stikygum
So then this might not even be out by the end of the year... Looks like things became much more complex than they thought. Being that he evens states this is new territory for them, let's me know right away that these products won't be expected anytime soon.

But at least we know it's switchable between a polyphonic synth or 4 mono synths.
Effie
stikygum wrote:

But at least we know it's switchable between a polyphonic synth or 4 mono synths.


Aaaaand I'm sold!

PS for anyone interested they start talking about the desktop boxes around the 1 hour 22 minute mark.
jesselucas
Torn n Frayed wrote:
The latest Modular Podcast has Ben Davis from Malekko and gives some updates here;





I really hope they take Ben's suggestion and add trigger outs to some of the voices. hyper
StudentsOfTheFuture
Nice treat this morning

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTrUvpxFLxt/
Orange
StudentsOfTheFuture wrote:
Nice treat this morning

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTrUvpxFLxt/


Yep like! Rockin' Banana!
Xmit
hells yeah! Guinness ftw!
nearly ghost
StudentsOfTheFuture wrote:
Nice treat this morning

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTrUvpxFLxt/


Sounds awesome! These are gonna SlayerBadger!
h4ndcrafted
Pretty pumped for the drum machine, it is sounding good. Plus I am Mr. D, so it is clearly made for me, infact anybody who can prove their surname begins with D gets a discount.
induktor
h4ndcrafted wrote:
...it is sounding good.


Have you heard it? I'm particularly interested in the drum machine as well.
xonetacular
stoked for this
h4ndcrafted
induktor wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
...it is sounding good.


Have you heard it? I'm particularly interested in the drum machine as well.


No, not literally , In reference to the podcast wink
induktor
h4ndcrafted wrote:
induktor wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
...it is sounding good.


Have you heard it? I'm particularly interested in the drum machine as well.


No, not literally , In reference to the podcast wink


Got it thumbs up
dropthedyle
any news about these new toys ?
geetee
would like a demo of the drum machine.
jbaptiste64
Anyone known about release date ?
mt3
End of the year at the earliest.
jbaptiste64
Thanks
Hopefully the demos
rico loverde
Manther demo

https://soundcloud.com/malekkoheavyindustry/malekko-manther-audio-1
dadRabbit
rico loverde wrote:
Manther demo

https://soundcloud.com/malekkoheavyindustry/malekko-manther-audio-1


So squelchy, gotta love it.
stikygum
Damn, the Manther sounds way better than I anticipated. I was thinking it was going to be an SH101 clone, but this sounds like a whole other animal to me. Impressed.
computer controlled
Juicy.
Noothgrush
nice!! if the workflow is as good as the sound i'm sold !!
heckadecimal69
Baseck just posted a lil preview too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BU-viw5jFvg

And yeah it's definitely different from a 101; I think they ended up going with a different filter (I haven't signed an NDA but I also don't want to say anything I shouldn't, as it could change and just to be a decent person), plus you have waveshaping and osc>filter FM if I recall. Sequencer should be interesting too. So excited about this one.
StudentsOfTheFuture
heckadecimal69 wrote:
Baseck just posted a lil preview too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BU-viw5jFvg

And yeah it's definitely different from a 101; I think they ended up going with a different filter (I haven't signed an NDA but I also don't want to say anything I shouldn't, as it could change and just to be a decent person), plus you have waveshaping and osc>filter FM if I recall. Sequencer should be interesting too. So excited about this one.


Did you mean different than the 101 or different than the Pro-One-type one that was announced?

Totally understand wanting to stay detail light, just want to make sure I'm following lol

If it came out when it was first announced, I think I'd be a little bummed it wasn't a perfect copy of the 101, but I'm getting more and more excited every day for what it's becoming.

Really curious about the BFF too!
h4ndcrafted
I mean it sounds great, I hope they will post some sound from Mr D! I'm interested in how conventional it won't sound.

This could be 90s Big Beat in two handy boxes!
jbaptiste64
Do you believe that the BFF is analog or digital?
VanEck
jbaptiste64 wrote:
Do you believe that the BFF is analog or digital?


digital... it's a wave table synth hmmm.....
rutabaga40
Updates? I want them all...
CF3
jbaptiste64 wrote:
Do you believe that the BFF is analog or digital?


Both
Orange
Lol.....
Looking closer at the pics.....Mr D. has two powerknobs and lacks the dc input. Thaaaaaaaat is a lot of power.............
coolshirtdotjpg
Any news on this? I desperately want a manther, or all of these.
Sammus
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Any news on this? I desperately want a manther, or all of these.


Damnit, I have notifications set for this thread and every time it comes up I get all excited, only to find it's someone asking if there is any more news Mr. Green I'm waiting for the drummer. I'm thinking like next year though at the earliest. Very premature product announcement at NAMM, especially given their excuse that the circuit boards didn't arrive in time because there was as shipping delay or something, giving everyone the impression that they were virtually done. More like a case with some LEDs in it, and enough planning for a demo of one of the boxes several months later.
Torn n Frayed
mt3 wrote:
End of the year at the earliest.
rico loverde
Sammus wrote:
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Any news on this? I desperately want a manther, or all of these.


Damnit, I have notifications set for this thread and every time it comes up I get all excited, only to find it's someone asking if there is any more news Mr. Green I'm waiting for the drummer. I'm thinking like next year though at the earliest. Very premature product announcement at NAMM, especially given their excuse that the circuit boards didn't arrive in time because there was as shipping delay or something, giving everyone the impression that they were virtually done. More like a case with some LEDs in it, and enough planning for a demo of one of the boxes several months later.
and people wonder why more and more manufacturers don't bother coming on here anymore. very frustrating
gentle_attack
I'm not sure the objectives of showing objects like these 2+ NAMMs before they hit the street... But conversely, everyone and I mean everyone melts down about not full implementation on software/midi/etc so for standalone groove boxes, I'm personally going to give malekko et al. The benefit of the doubt that they want these to drop working 100%

All three of these look cool to me, very interested to learn more about the feature sets
anselmi
VanEck wrote:
jbaptiste64 wrote:
Do you believe that the BFF is analog or digital?


digital... it's a wave table synth hmmm.....



hybrid : digital wavetable oscillators with analog back end (VCF+VCA)
mt3
My wallet thanks the delayed release dates.
It's peanut butter jelly time!
piearesquared
mt3 wrote:
My wallet thanks the delayed release dates.
It's peanut butter jelly time!


Same here!
Been holding up any purchases this year because I am waiting for the BFF!
ghg
These three Malekko boxes look like they'll sound incredible. Based on what Malekko has planned and what they're good at, these will be beasts.

I'm subscribed to this thread because I'm dying to have a Mr.D in my hands, but delays happen. I assume they're trying to make improvements and I'm glad they're doing that, but my general take would be that since Josh said they were "shooting for sometime in March" at Winter NAMM, an update would be great.

My best guess is that they want them out in time for holiday shopping, but they're not sure they can do it so they don't want to promise anything. Malekko is doing an in-store appearance tonight at Perfect Circuit, and I considered emailing to see if someone could get an update for me. Even if there's no official word, it wouldn't surprise me if Perfect Circuit starts taking preorders shortly after tonight, since they'll probably know a little more than we do.
mt3
Perfect Circuit usually posts vids of in-store appearances.
Rockin' Banana!
ghg
mt3 wrote:
Perfect Circuit usually posts vids of in-store appearances.
Rockin' Banana!


Thank you very much. I did not know that. we're not worthy

Having looked around, it seems like Kraft is probably taking preorders. [I don't mean to sound like I'm necessarily recommending any specific dealers; I'm just obsessed with the Mr.D and want one in my hands as soon as possible, so I'm looking around.]
xonetacular
i dont even think the perfect circuit demo has anything to do with these. looks like it's for voltage block/varigate according to malekko ig
ghg
I agree and highly doubt there would be a surprise demo, especially since the best guess is that they really thought they would be available in March and there were some unexpected challenges or other priorities.

Tonight's event just seems like a possible opportunity for info, since it has been a while. (Selfishly, it's a budgeting thing for me more than anything else, Mr.D or a few modules while I wait for Mr.D.)
calaveras
It sure would be nice to get some more wavetable in my stable.
slowpilgrim
Take your time Malekko, get it right.
coolshirtdotjpg
Any news on this from knobcon? (hides)
ignatius
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Any news on this from knobcon? (hides)


i don't think they went to knobcon. too busy working on all the things thumbs up
calaveras
damn it Malekko. Don't make me go out and but another NW1 from Waldorf!
computer controlled
They're def working on these!
Anechoic
computer controlled wrote:
They're def working on these!


Haven’t seen any new info on these but hope you’re right.
ratsnake
My only hope is that if they mean for these to be used in live situations, they do some proper testing with professionals before freezing the feature set.
astrodislocate
I just noticed the BFF has 4 CV and gate outputs.... multitimbral mayhaps? eek!
gentle_attack
astrodislocate wrote:
I just noticed the BFF has 4 CV and gate outputs.... multitimbral mayhaps? eek!


Could be, or could have some CV tracks like the A4 (or even a midi to CV convertor to sequence modular, separate completely from this synth). These all to me scream sitting side by side in front of a Mallekko or vintage Roland modular system (LFO tap, clock in+outs).

They're like the modded/modularized 202/303/606 with midi and patch points for talking to modular system, without no patch memory/limited pattern memory/finicky mods to old and fragile boards. Then the BFF which looks amazing and doesn't fit at all with everything else I just typed (except for working well in front of a modular)... naturally the one I want most though the drum machine interests me with the prob+retrigs d'oh! hihi w00t
mt3
calaveras
mmmkay. Where is my wavetabler?
I'm entitled.
Muzone
Well, admittedly I'm probably not the target audience but that sounds just about the worst thing I've ever heard relative to the pre-release creaming - maybe there'll be demos that show it in a more creative context?
catzrcool
Nice filter sounds at 3:10, the rest I can't hear because of the distortion. Is that all internal distortion going on from maxing the osc levels?

Looking forward to some bread&butter sounds..
WaveRider
Muzone wrote:
Well, admittedly I'm probably not the target audience but that sounds just about the worst thing I've ever heard relative to the pre-release creaming - maybe there'll be demos that show it in a more creative context?


hahaha me too... that guy does awful demos, I have come to cringe when I see him... and I love maleko products.

...seems there are some good sounds in this but he manages to hide it well.

not even sure if it can do pitched stuff as far as this demo goes.
heckadecimal69
WaveRider wrote:


not even sure if it can do pitched stuff as far as this demo goes.


huh?
ignatius
calaveras wrote:
mmmkay. Where is my wavetabler?
I'm entitled.


these aren't all going to come out at the same time.. one after another.. this being the first in the series i'd expect the others to arrive more quickly once this one comes out since it's likely they solved many relative things that apply to each box one way or another.

you'll also notice on malekko's/darkplace FB/instagram etc they added another machine to the robots smile

i'm sure more demos and stuff will come. i think baseck will be doing demos in tokyo festival of modular. so there will be more videos from that and i'm sure it'll get lot's of press.

fwiw i've heard the voice in it as it developed and it sounds fucking great. it's really capable and flexible and has lot's of modulaiton stuff built into the sequencer and motion recording and Parameter lock type stuff.

it's a killer. so stoked for them.
calaveras
Damn you Oregon people! Being so close to all the action synth wise.
Well we stiil got SnazzyFX and Bubblesound.
peripatitis
Ok that reverb isn't helping out..
mt3
https://soundcloud.com/malekkoheavyindustry/manther-by-anon-file-1
de_raaf
With all the stuff the sequencer does I kind feel at least 2 osc would made more sense, demo are bit underwhelming so far to be honest
dubnspace
^^ underwhelming demos so far to say the least..
catzrcool
Yea, I mean, I'm probably not so used to the 'modular style' but these demos are frankly a bit annoying.

'Traditional' musical sounds would be nice..
mt3
Tough crowd. I don't find anything as offputting or disturbing as others.
Curious if all the pundits are of direct British lineage? Would explain the corksniffer comments.
catzrcool
Oh deary me lol

No, all 'we' want (ok, me..) is some italo discobass without annoying modulation. A flute. Some nice plucks. Iow., sounds used in 'mainstream' music production wink
biftek
I think the demos sound fine but they aren't a style I'd personal use.
Some bread and butter sounds would be welcome.
chvad
Demos are demos. Seems cool enough!
estin
crazy noise/insane modulation demos is what really shows off a pieces character for me. Not to mention its Malekko, were you guys expecting an "on the run" subtractive bass line?
ignatius
peripatitis wrote:
Ok that reverb isn't helping out..


it's a delay. no reverb on the manther. delay is being sequenced i think.
ignatius
estin wrote:
crazy noise/insane modulation demos is what really shows off a pieces character for me. Not to mention its Malekko, were you guys expecting an "on the run" subtractive bass line?


all that stuff will come though.. i mean.. at its heart it's a monosynth. so all the acid things all the bass things etc will come.. it'll be at tokyo festival of modular so i'm sure a bunch of demos will come out of that.

it's not like baseck isn't going to do all the things the first time he gets his hands on it and makes a demo video. i think he was learning it and figuring out what it can do.
Prints
Muffwigglers, home of the least imaginative synth enthusiasts in the world. Kind of disappointed by these Gearslutz-like comments. It’s an affordable monosynth/sequencer with a lot of features. Use your imagination.
folpon
estin
ignatius wrote:

all that stuff will come though.. i mean.. at its heart it's a monosynth. so all the acid things all the bass things etc will come..


True, but that would be like putting up a 0-coast demo and saying "so versatile!" then patching the stepped random into vco pitch. Point being, i liked this Malekko demo. LOL
bwhittington
Tough crowd. I think it sounds pretty wicked.
ignatius
estin wrote:
ignatius wrote:

all that stuff will come though.. i mean.. at its heart it's a monosynth. so all the acid things all the bass things etc will come..


True, but that would be like putting up a 0-coast demo and saying "so versatile!" then patching the stepped random into vco pitch. Point being, i liked this Malekko demo. LOL


i liked it too! huge baseck fan. his live sets are not to be missed. dude is legit talented as fuck and super awesome human.
catzrcool
estin wrote:
crazy noise/insane modulation demos is what really shows off a pieces character for me. Not to mention its Malekko, were you guys expecting an "on the run" subtractive bass line?

These demos make me think: "OK, now with feeling, please.."

Musical feeling is not equal to agressively stuffing as many modulation events as possible into as short amount of time as possible.

However, and I wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't for poster mt3's super macho 'Muricaaaah forever' comment (us asking for musical demos are 'corksniffers' and 'British'..): there are a lot of shitty modular demos out there by people with seemingly very little musical sensibility or intuition.

I think that gear suited for the 'general' section attracts people who aren't all about the bleep and bloop. That's all..
hyena
mt3 wrote:
Tough crowd. I don't find anything as offputting or disturbing as others.
Curious if all the pundits are of direct British lineage? Would explain the corksniffer comments.



ahahahahha i <3 you grin

it's just a brief show off and baseck got his own style...
pheeew peeps, just chill grin
Zenn
Prints wrote:
Muffwigglers, home of the least imaginative synth enthusiasts in the world. Kind of disappointed by these Gearslutz-like comments. It’s an affordable monosynth/sequencer with a lot of features. Use your imagination.
hmmm..... ill just imagine it sounds exactly the way I want. d'oh! It's a tease demo. I need that italo bass and a filtersweep to judge it's character.
calaveras
It's muffwiggler. It's about having the modulation wheel fully open all the time. If you are more about prosaic non-wiggled sounds, surely there is a forum for perfectly flat unwiggled muffs. Muff-flattener? Gearsluts?
catzrcool
calaveras wrote:
It's muffwiggler. It's about having the modulation wheel fully open all the time. If you are more about prosaic non-wiggled sounds, surely there is a forum for perfectly flat unwiggled muffs. Muff-flattener? Gearsluts?

Sure, if this place isn't for musicians then I won't be sticking around. I'm not here for gadgetry.
Prints
catzrcool wrote:
calaveras wrote:
It's muffwiggler. It's about having the modulation wheel fully open all the time. If you are more about prosaic non-wiggled sounds, surely there is a forum for perfectly flat unwiggled muffs. Muff-flattener? Gearsluts?

Sure, if this place isn't for musicians then I won't be sticking around. I'm not here for gadgetry.


Yeah, maybe you should just leave.
WaveRider
catzrcool wrote:
calaveras wrote:
It's muffwiggler. It's about having the modulation wheel fully open all the time. If you are more about prosaic non-wiggled sounds, surely there is a forum for perfectly flat unwiggled muffs. Muff-flattener? Gearsluts?

Sure, if this place isn't for musicians then I won't be sticking around. I'm not here for gadgetry.


yeah, gear lust reigns over music here
...and I agree with you
estin
catzrcool wrote:

Musical feeling is not equal to agressively stuffing as many modulation events as possible into as short amount of time as possible.



Music is subjective though, not to mention many enjoy synths/gear from a purely technical aspect. Lots of joy in trying to keep a crazed machine from going off the rails. Guinness ftw!




catzrcool wrote:

Sure, if this place isn't for musicians then I won't be sticking around. I'm not here for gadgetry.


Depends how you define "musician" hang around though, muffs is good people.
nolongerhuman
estin wrote:

Music is subjective though, not to mention many enjoy synths/gear from a purely technical aspect. Lots of joy in trying to keep a crazed machine from going off the rails. Guinness ftw!


This.

I didn't care for the demo either, but... I am sure many people did. The music I listen to, most people around here and otherwise would likely think of as irritating as hell.

However, muff's is full of people who genuinely have an interest in music, sound, technology, and each other. Not just pissing in everyone else's pool, like so many other forums.
Orange
Hmmm not in the stores yet, but we are on page 8 of this topic.
applause applause applause applause applause applause applause

Nice demo btw... nasty little box... Rockin' Banana!
astrodislocate
Even if your musical interest revolves around standard pitch based sequencing, I don't understand the relevance of that in a demo. Yeah, it's a groovebox, of course it can do that. If you're not interested in timbral and sequencing possibilities (which he showed off well), then what do you want out of a demo at all?
calaveras
catzrcool wrote:
calaveras wrote:
It's muffwiggler. It's about having the modulation wheel fully open all the time. If you are more about prosaic non-wiggled sounds, surely there is a forum for perfectly flat unwiggled muffs. Muff-flattener? Gearsluts?

Sure, if this place isn't for musicians then I won't be sticking around. I'm not here for gadgetry.

Sorry, I was just being silly. I didn't mean to ostracize or put you down.
Muffs is a mostly silly place, except when it gets excessively technical.

TBF I thought the demo was garbage as well. I like demos that give me an actual idea of what a box can do. The SonicState stuff with Nick is excellent for that.
This seemed more like someone had 30 minutes to mess with it and did not have a really clear idea of how all the things worked.
Remind me of when I trip over an old pattern on my A4.
nrdvrgr
Bring the fucken noise! It´s on my shopping list for 2018. Nuff said.
mt3
nrdvrgr wrote:
Bring the fucken noise! It´s on my shopping list for 2018. Nuff said.


we're not worthy
Rockin' Banana!
SlayerBadger!
screaming goo yo
Orange
Covered by Synth Anatomy......
Thanks for that! thumbs up



http://youtu.be/01Qq8PG9fIo

Edit:
ETA beginning 2018
Price = 629 (dollars I presume)
GNSDG
what the hell happened in this thread. seriously, i just don't get it

This isn't gearslutz, friends; if you don't like Baseck just say you're looking forward to hearing demos that include X since that's more your style.

Implying (or just saying) that something you don't like isn't creative, has no feeling, or is only appreciated by people who are not musicians is, to be charitable, lazy at best. So is reducing aesthetic disagreements to differences in nationality.

Can't speak for the UK but we're kind of saturated with cultural myopia and petty prejudice (and some not so petty prejudice as well) here in the states at the moment. I for one am thankful for the plurality of approaches to damn near everything here on MW and encourage everyone who agrees to preserve this place by keeping it positive and respectful.

Ok rant off.
ignatius
Orange wrote:
Covered by Synth Anatomy......
Thanks for that! thumbs up



http://youtu.be/01Qq8PG9fIo

Edit:
ETA beginning 2018
Price = 629 (dollars I presume)


"other boxes planned that will be a surprise to everybody" smile

anselmi
motion sequence! great!

does it means that you can save patches too?

great synth! I can wait for the wavetable one and drum machine!
ignatius
anselmi wrote:
motion sequence! great!

does it means that you can save patches too?

great synth! I can wait for the wavetable one and drum machine!


probably.. at least saving sequences and patterns.. i don't know the details.. but i think there is a wicked song mode as well.
Nutritional Zero
This thing is gonna be awesome. I already have an A4 which probably has the more powerful sequencer of the two, all the same this looks to be a great value.
induktor
I'm really looking forward to hearing Mr. D demos.
TheRosskonian
ignatius wrote:
"other boxes planned that will be a surprise to everybody" smile



Yea, I definitely caught that too. Wondering if all the extra hype this year over these boxes contributed to that. Was hoping to hear more of Mr D, but now I want to try out a Manther as well. Looks very playable, I definitely appreciate the form factor as well.
piearesquared
Orange wrote:
Covered by Synth Anatomy......
Thanks for that! thumbs up


Edit:
ETA beginning 2018
Price = 629 (dollars I presume)


Sounds really good!
stikygum
It's obvious, these things are going to fly off the shelves. Nothing else out there offers what this does in one package. And by that I mean, with this sound quality and feature set at this price.
Tcheck
Any chance we’re gonna see these puppies for real at NAMM this year? I’ve had a whole year to get excited about Mr D now!!
calaveras
please for the love of god. If they don't release these soon I'm just gonna get another Elektron.
tarmoog
Really hoping they would be ready for Namm and hopefully shipping this spring smile
anselmi
after seeing the video of the DFAM, I know that this is where I'll put my money ... sorry, Malekko, I´d like to love your new grooveboxes, but it´s taking too long...
stikygum
anselmi wrote:
after seeing the video of the DFAM, I know that this is where I'll put my money ... sorry, Malekko, I´d like to love your new grooveboxes, but it´s taking too long...


I don't think the Dfam or the Malekko drum machine are remotely comparable. The Malekko is more of what I want since it's a x0x pattern based machine with great sound sculpting capabilities. I guess the point I want to make is, I don't think this is a one or the other. It's both or possibly the interface or sound sculpting ability will dictate.
anselmi
stikygum wrote:
anselmi wrote:
after seeing the video of the DFAM, I know that this is where I'll put my money ... sorry, Malekko, I´d like to love your new grooveboxes, but it´s taking too long...


I don't think the Dfam or the Malekko drum machine are remotely comparable. The Malekko is more of what I want since it's a x0x pattern based machine with great sound sculpting capabilities. I guess the point I want to make is, I don't think this is a one or the other. It's both or possibly the interface or sound sculpting ability will dictate.


I know, but the (finite) green papers to get one OR the other are absolutely comparable razz
Happyanimal
anselmi wrote:
stikygum wrote:
anselmi wrote:
after seeing the video of the DFAM, I know that this is where I'll put my money ... sorry, Malekko, I´d like to love your new grooveboxes, but it´s taking too long...


I don't think the Dfam or the Malekko drum machine are remotely comparable. The Malekko is more of what I want since it's a x0x pattern based machine with great sound sculpting capabilities. I guess the point I want to make is, I don't think this is a one or the other. It's both or possibly the interface or sound sculpting ability will dictate.


I know, but the (finite) green papers to get one or the other are absolutely comparable razz


You know the way these things work- the day your DFAM lands on your doorstep the Malekko will go on sale.
@realwiggler
So true! C’mon Mr D. 2018!!!! hyper
Sammus
How is it even comparable? Dfam is a single voice. You may as well be comparing to the cwejmann bd or something, another single drum voice for 600-700.
anselmi
Happyanimal wrote:
anselmi wrote:
stikygum wrote:
anselmi wrote:
after seeing the video of the DFAM, I know that this is where I'll put my money ... sorry, Malekko, I´d like to love your new grooveboxes, but it´s taking too long...


I don't think the Dfam or the Malekko drum machine are remotely comparable. The Malekko is more of what I want since it's a x0x pattern based machine with great sound sculpting capabilities. I guess the point I want to make is, I don't think this is a one or the other. It's both or possibly the interface or sound sculpting ability will dictate.


I know, but the (finite) green papers to get one or the other are absolutely comparable razz


You know the way these things work- the day your DFAM lands on your doorstep the Malekko will go on sale.


lol lol lol
anselmi
Sammus wrote:
How is it even comparable? Dfam is a single voice. You may as well be comparing to the cwejmann bd or something, another single drum voice for 600-700.


I already answered this w00t
calaveras
DFAM is pretty limited. I'm almost as dissapointed with Moog for releasing that as I am with Malekko for taking so damn long.
The high pass mode is nice?
MindMachine
calaveras wrote:
DFAM is pretty limited. I'm almost as dissapointed with Moog for releasing that as I am with Malekko for taking so damn long.
The high pass mode is nice?


What all encompassing machine would make you happy?
calaveras
nothing.
I'm never happy.
I'd be having sex with a super model, telling myself 'she's not into it, this is worthless'.
MindMachine
calaveras wrote:
nothing.
I'm never happy.
I'd be having sex with a super model, telling myself 'she's not into it, this is worthless'.


That would be quite a machine. And yet she may enjoy your mic collection.
jefferymac
Mr. D Nukem Forever.
coolshirtdotjpg
anselmi wrote:
Sammus wrote:
How is it even comparable? Dfam is a single voice. You may as well be comparing to the cwejmann bd or something, another single drum voice for 600-700.


I already answered this w00t


Seems like the LXR, despite being digital would be a more reasonable comparison. I feel your pain though. I've been obsessed with these grooveboxes since they were announced. I've been trying to find the right drum machine for ages and it has been really difficult to find something that fits what I need.
Numanoid92
and here we have......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2EIcU42C-E
VanEck
Numanoid92 wrote:
and here we have......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2EIcU42C-E


the video we've all been waiting for. very informative, and i am more hyped than ever now.
tarmoog
No mention about Mr D... only one that I was really interested in :(
jefferymac
It's up on the Malekko site too...649 as expected.

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/product/manther/

Now somebody just needs to wake up the webmaster so he can enable that pre-order button!
anselmi
tarmoog wrote:
No mention about Mr D... only one that I was really interested in :(


same here, BIG disappointment ... the manther is the least interesting for me...I was waiting for Mr D and BBF
Sir Ruff
anselmi wrote:
tarmoog wrote:
No mention about Mr D... only one that I was really interested in :(


same here, BIG disappointment ... the manther is the least interesting for me...I was waiting for Mr D and BBF


Yeah, BFF is really the most unique/interesting one of the lot. I don't quite get their feature selection on the Manther, sticking rigidly to frustrating Roland limitations like the single envelope but then adding more out there features like the waveshaper.
VanEck
Sir Ruff wrote:
anselmi wrote:
tarmoog wrote:
No mention about Mr D... only one that I was really interested in :(


same here, BIG disappointment ... the manther is the least interesting for me...I was waiting for Mr D and BBF


Yeah, BFF is really the most unique/interesting one of the lot. I don't quite get their feature selection on the Manther, sticking rigidly to frustrating Roland limitations like the single envelope but then adding more out there features like the waveshaper.


i'm actually really excited about that aspect of it. the sh-101 was my favorite synth of all time. i realized over time it wasn't just the sound, but the interface that i really enjoyed.

the manther looks like a sh-101 that got shot into space and circuit bent by aliens and teleported back to earth. it's got all the sliders and intuitive options that a basic monosynth should have in my opinion, but the also the ability to mutate it and take things to the next level of creative imagination.

when these were first announced, the mr. d was what i was really interested in, followed up by the bff. the manther wasn't even on my radar because i didn't feel i needed another monosynth. seeing this thing in action though, i'm pretty pumped for it and can't wait to integrate it into my modular setup.
stikygum
I too think this is going to be a great machine. I didn't want one at first, wasn't sure as I had my eye on the BFF and MR. D, but there is a ton of potential in this box.
tarmoog
Manther looks great if you are interested in getting a sh-101 style monosynth voice with wavefolding. Currently having 3 wavefolders and 3 filters in my system so for me that territory is pretty well covered.

Elektron inspired interface looks really nice with small oled screen. For sure it is going to be fun to play with. And all those sweet Varigate triggering options to go with this UI.

This kinda makes it even harder knowing that Mr. D isnt going to be released this year... hopefully 2019.
Torn n Frayed
tarmoog wrote:
Manther looks great if you are interested in getting a sh-101 style monosynth voice with wavefolding. Currently having 3 wavefolders and 3 filters in my system so for me that territory is pretty well covered.

Elektron inspired interface looks really nice with small oled screen. For sure it is going to be fun to play with. And all those sweet Varigate triggering options to go with this UI.

This kinda makes it even harder knowing that Mr. D isnt going to be released this year... hopefully 2019.


I applaud them for only concentrating on getting 1 box out @ a time vs spreading themselves too thin like other companies..
dadRabbit
This was my favorite product shown at namm last year and it beat out everything again for me this year, unbelievable price too!
anselmi
tarmoog wrote:
This kinda makes it even harder knowing that Mr. D isnt going to be released this year... hopefully 2019.


this video shows a Malekko 4-parts drum module
It would be logical that it shares the sound engine with the Mr D

honestly I don´t like the sound of it...seems to be quite simple and "noisy" kind of analog drums, without much defined transients...kinda disappointing

I hope the Mr D sounds more interesting and unique than this

popvulture
That has to be getting that trashiness from some processing, no? Would be weird if it sounded that ragged unaffected. seriously, i just don't get it
ignatius
anselmi wrote:
tarmoog wrote:
This kinda makes it even harder knowing that Mr. D isnt going to be released this year... hopefully 2019.


this video shows a Malekko 4-parts drum module
It would be logical that it shares the sound engine with the Mr D

honestly I don´t like the sound of it...seems to be quite simple and "noisy" kind of analog drums, without much defined transients...kinda disappointing

I hope the Mr D sounds more interesting and unique than this



this is early proto. i think it's going to be on a different platform and be more HP w/more controls etc.

but i heard it early on when it was in software and it sounded punchy and awesome. there's _a lot_ of control over the sounds via envelopes/tables and there's motion recording so you aren't hearing just straight up drum sounds.

i doubt this is what the Mr D will have as sound engine.. pretty sure the plan for Mr D was spec'd to be all analog right? maybe this 4 voice drum module will end up on another standalone box? wouldn't be surprised.
calaveras
le sigh.
I've got monosynth out the yin yang.
I want more wavetable that is not in my computer.
Guess a Digitone will tide me over for a while with its digital FM.
jefferymac
Malekko is now taking pre-orders on Manther.
Panason
Pretty excited about these with, especially with what they've done with the sequencer. About time Elektron got some competition, and these seem to have a higher resolution screen.

The Mr D seems a bit too simplistic but the synths look like the bomb.

I really hope they will implement synced and quantized pattern triggering with MIDI notes from the MIDI input. That would definitely be the Dog's Bollox and the Bees Knees. (come on, make machines with these names!)
Panason
Prints wrote:

Yeah, maybe you should just leave.


Good old forum dwellers...
VanEck
anyone else having problems pre-ordering as a guest upon checkout? it keeps telling me i need to input a shipping provider and shipping account number... no idea what that is.
Panason
Nah, I ain't pre-ordering nuthin'
calaveras
I’ll buy one after I can check it out in person.
rgcmusic
Does anybody know a shipping date yet. I'm seeing pre-orders pop up, but I hate when pre-orders get delayed.
Smirnovich
I could't wait, so I go for Jomox AirBase99.
calaveras
I’m getting a Digitone or Digitact if’n these don’t ship soon. Or maybe a Japanese bass guitar. Rockin' Banana!
Unborn Gore
calaveras wrote:
I’m getting a Digitone or Digitact if’n these don’t ship soon.


Really? So you can have the same FM and sample synthesis as 5000 other dudes?

Not me. F that S. I want wavetables.
ignatius
no idea on shipping date but these showed up March 20th on josh's fb page



calaveras
Unborn Gore wrote:
calaveras wrote:
I’m getting a Digitone or Digitact if’n these don’t ship soon.


Really? So you can have the same FM and sample synthesis as 5000 other dudes?

Not me. F that S. I want wavetables.

Well, being samples, they won't be like 5000 other people. I always do my own sampling.
I want to see Malekko bring these to market as much as anyone. Especially the Wavetable box. But I'm not a terribly patient person when it comes to synths. When I get bored of my current synths I'm not going to wait for something to come to market. I'll buy what is available.
Panason
Hmm, the price for the Manther has gone up by $50
jefferymac
Panason wrote:
Hmm, the price for the Manther has gone up by $50


Still shows $649 on the Malekko site. Really can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
Panason
It was $599 to begin with if I remember right.
jefferymac
Panason wrote:
It was $599 to begin with if I remember right.


Naw, It’s been $649 from the get go.
calaveras
Don't care about Manther. I've got analog synths.
I want my FWB!
I mean, BFF!
Panason
Hopefully these guys know better than the likes of Roland and these boxes will have proper MIDI sync and MIDI control of the sequencer patterns...
CF3
Panason wrote:
Hopefully these guys know better than the likes of Roland and these boxes will have proper MIDI sync and MIDI control of the sequencer patterns...


I’m with you on this, but very skeptical. We’re in the MIDI Dark Ages. And it’s not just the manufacturers, it’s definitely the user base too. It’s shocking how little is understood about MIDI and the piss poor specs we get in 2018 waah

On the bright side... these will sound incredible. I no doubts about that.
Panason
The ability to trigger the sequencer patterns using MIDI notes, and being able to jump from one pattern to the other before the pattern plays through to the end, while staying in sync to incoming MIDI clock would allow improvising and creating new sequences on the fly... which would be awesome.
Numanoid92
Who will distribute the Manther in Europe? i saw that only Gear4Music has them in Pre-order
Panason
Malekko have a list of distributors on their site last time I checked, and when I looked at one of them in the UK their prices for Malekko gear were pretty much on par with the exchange rate, which is nice.
Benj
Glad to see they added an external input on the Manther .I hope they do the same with the bff.
Panason
Malekko, if you're reading this and it's not too late or too difficult: Use the audio input for clock sync!

edit: nvm , there is a clock input.
Panason
They are taking pre-orders for the Manther ("shipping end of April") but have still not published the manual for it. hmmm.....

I had another look at the front panel and there are simple mechanical switches for envelope shape and oscillator pitch. . . it doesn't look like those things are digitally controlled, so the presets may be just for storing the sequencer data and not the patches themselves?? wtf.
gringostar
Any word on either the Mr D or BFF like are they still planning on making them and if so approximate release dates?
Sammus
Panason wrote:
They are taking pre-orders for the Manther ("shipping end of April") but have still not published the manual for it. hmmm.....

I had another look at the front panel and there are simple mechanical switches for envelope shape and oscillator pitch. . . it doesn't look like those things are digitally controlled, so the presets may be just for storing the sequencer data and not the patches themselves?? wtf.


Why does a mechanical switch mean that whatever value it's controlling cannot be stored? The switch could easily be controlling a digital signal. Just like all products which store data from sliders or pots, the patch recall won't move the sliders and pots for you, rather once you do move them it will take precedent over recalled data.
Sammus
gringostar wrote:
Any word on either the Mr D or BFF like are they still planning on making them and if so approximate release dates?


Yeah I think it was at TFOM. More coming but development takes more time that most people appreciate. They have to prioritise... Mr D is a way off yet. I picked up a rytm ii while waiting smile
Panason
The BBF is the most interesting one for me but at this rate it's probably at least 6 months away.

Quote:
Why does a mechanical switch mean that whatever value it's controlling cannot be stored? The switch could easily be controlling a digital signal. Just like all products which store data from sliders or pots, the patch recall won't move the sliders and pots for you, rather once you do move them it will take precedent over recalled data.


Yeah I really hope that is the case. There is no button labelled "save" or "write" on any of the machines! I'm wondering because patch storage has somehow become uncool and people actively look down on it. It wouldn't surprise me at this point - I've seen digital devices without patch storage released recently.... the boutique synth market is a strange one.
jefferymac
Panason wrote:
The BBF is the most interesting one for me but at this rate it's probably at least 6 months away.

Quote:
Why does a mechanical switch mean that whatever value it's controlling cannot be stored? The switch could easily be controlling a digital signal. Just like all products which store data from sliders or pots, the patch recall won't move the sliders and pots for you, rather once you do move them it will take precedent over recalled data.


Yeah I really hope that is the case. There is no button labelled "save" or "write" on any of the machines! I'm wondering because patch storage has somehow become uncool and people actively look down on it. It wouldn't surprise me at this point - I've seen digital devices without patch storage released recently.... the boutique synth market is a strange one.


Manther has "save" and "recall" buttons to the right of the bar selectors. Given that this thing has p-locks for every parameter (at least according to the NAMM demos), it's highly unlikely that it wouldn't save patch data. I took a risk and pre-ordered, so I guess I'll find out pretty soon...

Panason
Oh OK, I was looking at the prototype photo on the first page of this thread...
icosa
Jumped in and preordered about a month ago as well. It looks like most of the parameters are scanned. Not totally sure about the switches but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be as well. Seriously looking forward to it. SlayerBadger!
icosa
Looks like these finally shipped! The manual is up for those that are interested. Looks like pretty much everything but some octave range, menu and midi settings are saved to presets. Automation can be recorded with most of the parameters.

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/content/uploads/2018/05/MALEKKO-MANTH ER-MANUAL-V1.pdf
Panason
OK, someone buy it and post some sounds! hihi

There isn't a lot to hear on youtube so far, and what's there doesn't sound too exciting I must say.
AdamJay
Does anyone know the actual physical dimensions of these?
They are not in the manual.

14 x 9.5 x 5" is listed on some sites, but that sounds more like box dimensions, as they don’t seem proportionate (aspect ratio is nearly 2:1) and 5" is one hell of a depth, even with knob height.

The Manther sounds real good! Would definitely kick my Monologue out of bed.
retoid
Panason wrote:
OK, someone buy it and post some sounds! hihi

There isn't a lot to hear on youtube so far, and what's there doesn't sound too exciting I must say.


Got one on pre-order, PCA has yet to receive them it seems. Will try to post up some sound when it arrives.
jefferymac
I got mine this week. Haven't had a whole lot of time to spend with it, but first impressions are positive.

It's a little smaller than I expected. Actual dims are 12 wide x 6 deep. The case has a slight angle to it; about 1.5 high in the front, 2.5 high in the back. Despite the small size, it doesn't feel cramped.

Not sure if I will gig with it for a few reasons: the sliders feel like they might break easily and the display text is very tiny. It would be a bitch to read the display in a live situation.

The p-lock system is intuitive and well done. Hold record, move slider, that's it. Hold clear, move a slider again to clear the parameter locks.

Sound-wise it seems almost optimized for creating harsh, aggressive, noisy sounds -- no surprise given the various demos. However, I was able to get some clean bleepy techno vibes going in no time as well.
enlovoz
If I remember correctly, the drum machine should be the next one to see the light right ?
I really want to hear what they come up with for this one ! The world need a nasty drum machine from Malekko.
Panason
Damn. I read the (too brief) manual and am underwhelmed. The sequencing capability doesn't seem up to elektron standards. There is no mention of MIDI control whatsoever in the manual other than that you can set the MIDI channel, so I guess you cannot trigger pattern changes over MIDI... There is no MIDI implementation chart...
Quote:

CC messages are planned for a software future release

OK, see you in the future!

Can you do per-step automation, by selecting a step and adjusting knobs/sliders? It doesn't seem to be the case, which is perplexing and disappointing.

Quote:
By default, automation records on all steps. Under
MENU > RECORD > UPDATE > ALL you can change ALL to NOTE specifically. This will switch automation recording from every step to just steps with active notes.
Hold the RECORD button while moving the controls for the features you wish to automate. Each step will then retain those automated control movements.


Not sure how this is useful and really don't get why they didn't take the elektron method and improve on it : select a step with a long press, step remains selected and starts flashing, adjust parameters, press the step again to deselect the step and write those parameter edits in the sequence for that step only.
Maybe it's just badly worded in the manual?

seriously, i just don't get it
icosa
Long press on notes and tweaking parameters works great. That part of the manual is more for notes that are active vs. not. This thing sounds very unique, has a raw tone that’s sort of like a sh-101 but a bit more rough around the edges in parts.

You can p-lock almost everything, lfo speed, wave folder, delay feedback and the oscillator mixer levels to get that per step wavtype rotation thing going on.Shit gets wild quickly. Very happy with it so far. I just wish the display was bigger and they had an option to remove the scope for bigger text but you really don’t use the screen much anyways.
Panason
So when you select a step for editing how does the display work? Is there a way to see what parameters have been tweaked on that step?
icosa
The bar graph at the bottom of the screen will show all fader positions. The last parameter changed will show a clear outlined bar I think. Any fader that has automation across the whole pattern will light up red. There really isn’t any way to see the automation just applied to one step. What would be cool is that if you long press a step they just light up the faders that are automated by that one step and highlight the graph bars that are changed. Honestly though you tend to use your ears more with this box vs. staring at the screen. It seems to be designed around exploration and happy accidents.

If you’ve had or have played a DSI Pro 2 before it’s very similar except you don’t have to assign destinations to the automation slots. You just start tweaking what you want and roll with it.
Panason
Hmm hopefully they will refine this in coming firmware updates. Happy accidents are great but sometimes you need precise control for finetuning stuff.

Quote:
What would be cool is that if you long press a step they just light up the faders that are automated by that one step and highlight the graph bars that are changed.


yeah, this needs to happen.
Happyanimal
Thought LFO was supposed to go up into audio rates? That’s certainly not the case here.
Panason
I've seen quite a few cases were the LFO was claimed to be in the audio range but it was still not fast enough to do musical sounding things with.
Prints
Just received mine today, and I’m really digging it so far. It came with cool stickers, but I found it really odd that it didn’t come with any rubber feet. I have it set on top of a book right now to avoid scuffing the paint on the bottom. I guess I’ll pick some up tomorrow. Did anyone else’s unit not have rubber feet?
Aiyn Zahev
Prints wrote:
Just received mine today, and I’m really digging it so far. It came with cool stickers, but I found it really odd that it didn’t come with any rubber feet. I have it set on top of a book right now to avoid scuffing the paint on the bottom. I guess I’ll pick some up tomorrow. Did anyone else’s unit not have rubber feet?


Nice, anything you can say any the feel and build quality?
Panason
It's not looking good for the Manther and me. It seems like they rushed it out. The Medusa is beckoning and it won't cost that much more here in the EU.
Happyanimal
Panason wrote:
It's not looking good for the Manther and me. It seems like they rushed it out. The Medusa is beckoning and it won't cost that much more here in the EU.


Not here. Love the abyss, but the sound coming out of manther is totally different.
zeit
Interested in the BFF, hoping that'll be later this year. So actual length/width of these boxes are 12 x 6...that might be a tad on the small size, hopefully it doesn't feel like those Roland boutique boxes lol

Manther does sound good though...I didn't know Industrial Music Electronics was in on this...if so, that's a plus, I love the way his modules sound. SlayerBadger!
Prints
Panason wrote:
It's not looking good for the Manther and me. It seems like they rushed it out. The Medusa is beckoning and it won't cost that much more here in the EU.


Nobody cares what you think. Your opinions on everything are garbage. The Manther is awesome. You’re just an annoying punk that makes no music.
Prints
Aiyn Zahev wrote:
Prints wrote:
Just received mine today, and I’m really digging it so far. It came with cool stickers, but I found it really odd that it didn’t come with any rubber feet. I have it set on top of a book right now to avoid scuffing the paint on the bottom. I guess I’ll pick some up tomorrow. Did anyone else’s unit not have rubber feet?


Nice, anything you can say any the feel and build quality?


I think the build is great. Metal chassis, solid knobs, and the faders are good. That’s why I was surprised by the lack of rubber feet. You can get them for like $5 off Amazon, so no big deal. I shared my thoughts and a little demo on the Elektronauts forum.
Manther
Aiyn Zahev
Thank you!

I'd really love to hear some acid with glides, 303 style riffs with resonance.
Prints
Aiyn Zahev wrote:
Thank you!

I'd really love to hear some acid with glides, 303 style riffs with resonance.


Manther Instagram video
Panason
Sounds obese! SlayerBadger!
Panason
Prints wrote:
Panason wrote:
It's not looking good for the Manther and me. It seems like they rushed it out. The Medusa is beckoning and it won't cost that much more here in the EU.


Nobody cares what you think. Your opinions on everything are garbage. The Manther is awesome. You’re just an annoying punk that makes no music.


Eat me, loser. Your music sucks and nobody wants to hear it. You can spend a ton of money on synths, but it won't help. Now go back to your cave. Don't bother replying and polluting the thread with your lame personal attacks, cause you're getting ignored. Where passive aggressive manchildren try to take over, "annoying punks" will annoy them. "Nobody" = you.
Prints
Panason wrote:
Prints wrote:
Panason wrote:
It's not looking good for the Manther and me. It seems like they rushed it out. The Medusa is beckoning and it won't cost that much more here in the EU.


Nobody cares what you think. Your opinions on everything are garbage. The Manther is awesome. You’re just an annoying punk that makes no music.


Eat me, loser. Your music sucks and nobody wants to hear it. You can spend a ton of money on synths, but it won't help. Now go back to your cave. Don't bother replying and polluting the thread with your lame personal attacks, cause you're getting ignored. Where passive aggressive manchildren try to take over, "annoying punks" will annoy them. "Nobody" = you.


I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s no way you are not between the ages of 13-17. There’s a thread someplace you should be crying about Elektron again. Go do that. Go cry about Elektron again; you’re really good at being an Elektron crybaby.
bimbom
this synth looks good but ----
will it add anything new for me as I've got sh01a and system1/1m with plugouts , elektron sequencers (parameter locks) , and various fx units that can make things growl and delay.

i have to be a little more thoughtful on purchases at the moment :(
Panason
It will sound better / more original and be a lot more capable and fun to use than the sh01a, and probably the plugout as well. The sequencer implementation seems to fall a bit short of the Elektron gold standard. (see earlier comments)

I'd wait for further firmware updates and to see how the Medusa pans out.
rico loverde
The sequencer was influenced by electron stuff. Never meant to be a clone of it. It’s more along the lines of a V8+ / Voltage Block. As time moves forward I’m sure there will be other updates. Be patient please, these have been a pretty massive project for all involved.

Let’s keep the bickering to a minimum it doesn’t do anyone any good. Be civil to each other. love
Panason
That's all it needs to be up to scratch:

Quote:
What would be cool is that if you long press a step they just light up the faders that are automated by that one step and highlight the graph bars that are changed.


If you can't see what is going on in each step it becomes hard to control and troubleshoot sounds. Especially if you leave it for a few days and don't remember what you've automated.

Not being able to trigger the patterns over MIDI and not having any CC control over MIDI restricts the potential of the machine within a larger sequenced setup. It would be especially cool if we could set another MIDI channel to accept MIDI notes for triggering patterns with quantised pattern switching: in this way new composite sequences can be created live by triggering the patterns from a MIDI keyboard or another sequencer... C0:pattern 1, C#0: pattern 2, etc.

I listened to (and read) a lot of Dead Kennedys back in my formative years so being an annoying punk comes natural. hihi
zeit
These are priced *really* well and I need a monosynth soon so I'm all in for the Manther (and BFF if similarly priced). The fact that it comes /w a sequencer is gravy but I really do seem to have all the sequencing I need w/ my Octatrack. For me, this is actually competing against the Grandmother and the Behringer Model D and I'm preferring the more aggressive sound of this.

Now if I can get GC to get them in stock I can simply put it on credit. lol thumbs up
Panason
All desktop synths should have a built in sequencer, by law!

Th BFF has me the most interested but I can't see how it will be the same price if it has 4 analog filters.
zeit
Yeah, you're right about the price not being the same...probably wishful thinking on my end. lol

...and yes, all desktops should have sequencers!
rico loverde
Panason wrote:

I listened to (and read) a lot of Dead Kennedys back in my formative years so being an annoying punk comes natural. hihi
as did i
Prints
One issue I’ve had since Thursday night is a faulty button I noticed. I didn’t really want to mention it because I do think the overall build of the unit is great, and it’s just an anomaly. But I haven’t gotten a response from my vendor about what I should do.

I sent Malekko a message this morning too. I’d just like a replacement unit. The issue I’m having is that the “10” button gets stuck/jammed when pressed. I have to pry it out with my fingertips. I tried pressing it and prying it out a bunch of times in hopes of loosening up whatever is making it get stuck, but had no luck. So it’s just been boxed up, and it isn’t looking like I’ll get to ship it back anytime today unfortunately, which is starting to get frustrating.

I’ve attached some pics of what I’m describing. The first one is before pressing the button, the second one is after pressing the button, and the third one is the stuck button from a different angle.










bkbirge
You could wait for however long it takes to replace or you could spend five minutes with a metal file and fix the problem yourself. I get wanting something 100% that you just bought, that's a reasonable expectation, but the fix seems so simple that it may not be worth the effort to get a replacement that may or may not have the same issue.
Prints
bkbirge wrote:
You could wait for however long it takes to replace or you could spend five minutes with a metal file and fix the problem yourself. I get wanting something 100% that you just bought, that's a reasonable expectation, but the fix seems so simple that it may not be worth the effort to get a replacement that may or may not have the same issue.


At this point, I just want a response from Malekko or my vendor. I usually don't feel comfortable opening up electronics I know very little about, but if Malekko suggests that I open it up myself, go purchase a metal file, and file something without jeopardizing my warranty, I might try to do so.. or I might just end up returning it.
rico loverde
Couple things to add to my above post. There will be a major OS update soon that will address the LFO to audio rate and more midi functionality. I’m sure there will be more. Also the rubber feet were supposed to be in boxes and moving forward will be. If you need some write Malekko and they will get em out to you.

I’m just a worker bee here but one of the few who still come on muffs occasionally and try to help when I can. Generally best course of action if having issues is to email Malekko.
Prints
rico loverde wrote:
Couple things to add to my above post. There will be a major OS update soon that will address the LFO to audio rate and more midi functionality. I’m sure there will be more. Also the rubber feet were supposed to be in boxes and moving forward will be. If you need some write Malekko and they will get em out to you.

I’m just a worker bee here but one of the few who still come on muffs occasionally and try to help when I can. Generally best course of action if having issues is to email Malekko.


I guess I can cancel the ones I ordered on Amazon, and get my $10 back. I wish the lady I spoke with last week on the phone would have told me this.
stikygum
Prints wrote:
rico loverde wrote:
Couple things to add to my above post. There will be a major OS update soon that will address the LFO to audio rate and more midi functionality. I’m sure there will be more. Also the rubber feet were supposed to be in boxes and moving forward will be. If you need some write Malekko and they will get em out to you.

I’m just a worker bee here but one of the few who still come on muffs occasionally and try to help when I can. Generally best course of action if having issues is to email Malekko.


I guess I can cancel the ones I ordered on Amazon, and get my $10 back. I wish the lady I spoke with last week on the phone would have told me this.


Can't you just go to a hardware store and get them. I did and they cost less than $5 and I have extras for other gears I have or get.
stikygum
Prints wrote:
One issue I’ve had since Thursday night is a faulty button I noticed. I didn’t really want to mention it because I do think the overall build of the unit is great, and it’s just an anomaly. But I haven’t gotten a response from my vendor about what I should do.

I sent Malekko a message this morning too. I’d just like a replacement unit. The issue I’m having is that the “10” button gets stuck/jammed when pressed. I have to pry it out with my fingertips. I tried pressing it and prying it out a bunch of times in hopes of loosening up whatever is making it get stuck, but had no luck. So it’s just been boxed up, and it isn’t looking like I’ll get to ship it back anytime today unfortunately, which is starting to get frustrating.

I’ve attached some pics of what I’m describing. The first one is before pressing the button, the second one is after pressing the button, and the third one is the stuck button from a different angle.




Sorry to hear that. I'm sure if they get it fixed for you. I know that is frustrating. I've never seen these particular buttons used on other gear, but the buttons on my Manther are working well.
Prints
stikygum wrote:
Prints wrote:
rico loverde wrote:
Couple things to add to my above post. There will be a major OS update soon that will address the LFO to audio rate and more midi functionality. I’m sure there will be more. Also the rubber feet were supposed to be in boxes and moving forward will be. If you need some write Malekko and they will get em out to you.

I’m just a worker bee here but one of the few who still come on muffs occasionally and try to help when I can. Generally best course of action if having issues is to email Malekko.


I guess I can cancel the ones I ordered on Amazon, and get my $10 back. I wish the lady I spoke with last week on the phone would have told me this.


Can't you just go to a hardware store and get them. I did and they cost less than $5 and I have extras for other gears I have or get.


These are the ones I ordered:
rubber feet from Amazon

There were some Scotch-brand ones at the Target near my place that were $7, but they were clear, and I wanted black. Amazon didn't have any, from the brand that I bought, that came with a less amount. I've purchased cheap rubber feet before that ended up not lasting long due to cheap adhesive. I avoid the cheapest ones now due to this experience.
Prints
UPDATE: I just received a reply from Malekko, so I'm pleased about that. It appears I'll be getting a return label at some point, and the situation will hopefully be rectified soon.
stikygum
bimbom wrote:
this synth looks good but ----
will it add anything new for me as I've got sh01a and system1/1m with plugouts , elektron sequencers (parameter locks) , and various fx units that can make things growl and delay.

i have to be a little more thoughtful on purchases at the moment :(


You just listed a bunch of gear disconnected from each other... The Manther is isn't that, nor is that bunch of gear the Manther.

The Sh01a is a really cool synth, but it isn't as fun as the Manther. The Elektron gear can get good results from the sequencers of course, but not as quick as the Manther imo. Adding fx units are always cool at the end of a chain, but you have to add them and you can't modulate them via sequencer. Combining those things isn't fun to me. Playing the Manther is.

Will it add anything? Workflow and production.

No to mention great sound - better than what I got from my Rytm.

Rockin' Banana!
Aiyn Zahev
The Elektron A4 doesn't have probability per step right? That's something that caught my attention on the Manther. Plus it looks quite simple and fast to use.
Prints
Aiyn Zahev wrote:
The Elektron A4 doesn't have probability per step right? That's something that caught my attention on the Manther. Plus it looks quite simple and fast to use.


The A4 does have conditional trigs with percentages. The Manther is quite different in general though. I'd compare it to the Abstrakt Instruments Avalon. I enjoy the Manther more than the Avalon because I'm not too concerned about reproducing the classic 303 sound, and I appreciate the broader range of sounds the Manther is capable of. Also, it's just meaner sounding than a lot of synths, and I really enjoy/appreciate that as well.
Panason
The A4 does have probability stuff and more (play step every x bars, and other conditionals) and overall superior sequencing capabilities but you can get better sounding synths for that money. The mk1 is especially weak sounding.

Are those 16 buttons on the Manther rigid plastic or are they rubbery?
stikygum
Panason wrote:
The A4 does have probability stuff and more (play step every x bars, and other conditionals) and overall superior sequencing capabilities but you can get better sounding synths for that money. The mk1 is especially weak sounding.

Are those 16 buttons on the Manther rigid plastic or are they rubbery?


They feel plastic to me, but I will say that they feel very nice to press. I like them. Comparatively, I don't like to press DSI buttons that much, but these I actually enjoy pressing.
Panason
Rigid is good, it is a Manther after all hyper
Aiyn Zahev
I like just about every aspect of the Manther, but I'm still not convinced on it's sound. I think I'll just need to get one and try it myself.
calaveras
checked out the Manther at Control last weekend.
I didn't think I need another monosynth. But I think I need it.
It sounds very much like it's own thing. Not a 303, not an Obie, not a Sequential.
It's pretty fricking great, except one or two things are hidden in menus.
But hey, I've been dealing with Moog submenus so that is nothing.
Bring out the other boxes!
anselmi
is this or the Medusa

I think I like the Medusa more, because of the sound and the grid capabilities of having complete patches in one button, even chords for paraphonic play

sadly it cost almost 2x the Manther waah and lacks the delay... I´d love to have a delay in the Medusa
Panason
I don't have any space left on my desk or space in the room for a bigger desk ... Dead Banana Time to move house so I can have MORE SYNTHS zombie
stikygum
anselmi wrote:
is this or the Medusa

I think I like the Medusa more, because of the sound and the grid capabilities of having complete patches in one button, even chords for paraphonic play

sadly it cost almost 2x the Manther waah and lacks the delay... I´d love to have a delay in the Medusa


The idea of 'this' or 'that' will screw you in the end. You're cheating yourself if you think you can only have one of these. I didn't think I'd get the Manther and then decided to do it and I'm glad I did. While the Medusa has a lot going for it and I think I will get it, the Manther is quite fun to use and the sound is great. While the Medusa has a ton up it's sleeve (that you could potentially get lost in), I think the Manther will get you there faster and will make you more productive, which is worth it's weight in gold.
Aiyn Zahev
So... would love to hear more audio Miley Cyrus
RickKleffel
Panason wrote:
I don't have any space left on my desk or space in the room for a bigger desk ... Dead Banana Time to move house so I can have MORE SYNTHS zombie


A new motto for this group. I am in a similar jam. I can see punting the MS2000R for the Manther...but where would the Medusa or BFF go?!?!?!?!?
Panason
LOL, yeah I am selling my Radias. And geting either this or the Medusa... but then where is the Neutron going to go?? Dead Banana
stikygum
The Manther has only 64 slots for patterns/sounds, so how would you guys go about backing them up, so that you free up the 64 slots? Sysex Librarian?
Panason
Ahh, there is a potential deal breaker. There is no sysex and it looks like there may never be sysex support since the firmware is updated using audio signals... confused
stikygum
There has to be someway to save patches externally. I think I'm going to email them.
wavefold
probably gonna get one soon.

only thing I miss (which Behringer did on their MS101) is an internal fm bus

cry

wish the LFO was a little bit faster so I could do something similar
anselmi
mr.freeman wrote:
probably gonna get one soon.

only thing I miss (which Behringer did on their MS101) is an internal fm bus

cry

wish the LFO was a little bit faster so I could do something similar


behringer goes an extra mile by having both filter FM from the oscillator and LFO range to audio rate...also, the LFO seems to be analog wich in my opinion is far better to FM...when I use the digital ones in my sub-37 the results are far from ideal

I got my original 101 modded to achieve all the goals of the MS101 and now it´s a killer synth...I can see behringer´s engineers did their homework and was looking for all the improvements that makes the 101 an ever better machine
Aiyn Zahev
Aw yis!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiJVipnAN6n/

Juicy filter https://www.instagram.com/p/Beeah8qn1wn/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjLNzg1gDx6/

Apparently there's lots of fucking cats on insta tagged Manther
stikygum
Panason wrote:
Ahh, there is a potential deal breaker. There is no sysex and it looks like there may never be sysex support since the firmware is updated using audio signals... confused


I emailed Malekko and they said a sysex save/recall will be implemented in the next OS release! So we will be able to save patches externally. That's great news because I'm really enjoying making patches and found that I like making lots of variations of them.
Panason
Does it stay in sync to incoming clock when changing patterns?
jefferymac
Panason wrote:
Does it stay in sync to incoming clock when changing patterns?


Yeah, it will change patterns on the bar (or end of pattern) and stay in sync. Works with MIDI or clock.
VanEck
First look video by Divkid:

RickKleffel
VanEck wrote:
First look video by Divkid:


This thing is looking really fun. Were it not for the Medusa and Malekko's own BFF, I'd have it now. The sound and feature set also bode very well for the BFF and Mr. D. Solid new synthesizers from a new-to-whole-synths but well-regarded module maker, yay!

I may yet try to figure out a way to make space for it....I do have a niche behind the Digitone. What a great time to be interested in this stuff. More super-great stuff than most of us can fit. Of course...

"In a system of a million parts, if each part malfunctions only one time in a million, a breakdown is certain." -- Stanislaw Lem
Panason
It does look and sound like an evolved SH101.. meaty, in any case.

It would be cool if there was a way to latch that Recall button so you can jam with patterns using just one finger instead of doing the silly Elektron dance.

I can see that the bars at the bottom row of the display are a graphic representation of the position of the sliders and they change as the sequence plays to indicate automation.
That's great but would be even better if if there was a mode where that graphic shows up bigger, taking up the whole screen, perhaps with 1-2 letters under each bar to label them.... And if it was possible to select a step and see where the sliders are at on that step. That seems more useful than having the oscilloscope on screen by default.
anselmi
best demo until now, both showing the features and the sound

really lovely tone...I know I was decided to get the Medusa over this one...but...now I´m not sure...I´m a sucker for this kind of "roland-ish" sound...damn


I´ll wait for a better demo of the Medusa...something more musical, like this one
nectarios
The MC-202 of our days.
Very nice sound and the delay time modulation offers some nice FX type sounds too. Although I find the tone of the Manther to be much better than the new Moog tone, I am probably going to skip on it, because I want to have the cash ready for the Medusa.
I may snatch a cheap used one down the line though.
zeit
Oh man, that DivKid demo is so good. That's what I was kind of waiting around on, easily able to get those 303'ish types of sounds as well. Really happy that they included delay and it sounds pretty good from what I'm hearing. One thing that irks me about my OT is the delay is kind of meh...looking forward to getting this. w00t
gentle_attack
zeit wrote:
Oh man, that DivKid demo is so good. That's what I was kind of waiting around on, easily able to get those 303'ish types of sounds as well. Really happy that they included delay and it sounds pretty good from what I'm hearing. One thing that irks me about my OT is the delay kind of meh...looking forward to getting this. w00t

It really does sound great. I recently parted ways with an MC-202 because it didn't work with my Elektron based setup. The sequencer was too unforgiving and I would get frustrated trying to get it synced up w everything else, and couldn't bring myself to sink more money in on getting modded for usable CV and/or midi. I found that while the happy accidents were fun, there's a reason why -every other sequencer ever- doesn't do value based note and gate times. You can do 'quirky enough' with the microtiming of an Elektron, and if you're doing normal shit it was quite the nuisance. The second sequencer was probably the coolest hidden'ish feature, but how much time do you want to be drawing out your sequence with pencil and graph paper? The OP-1 Endless is as good or better anyways, IMO.

I DO miss the sound though. Can be chirpy, can be fat, and good slide and accent. I like the Analog4/Keys, but this sounds 100x better for 101/202/303 sounds. I would much rather buy this than the TB-03, on a variety of levels.
VanEck
just a heads up, i got one posted in the market subforum for sale/trade.

as much as i dig this thing, i just don't have any space for desktop synths in my current studio. trying to fill up my modular more instead, as my cases are taking up my entire wokspace.
stikygum
zeit wrote:
Oh man, that DivKid demo is so good. That's what I was kind of waiting around on, easily able to get those 303'ish types of sounds as well. Really happy that they included delay and it sounds pretty good from what I'm hearing. One thing that irks me about my OT is the delay is kind of meh...looking forward to getting this. w00t


anselmi wrote:
best demo until now, both showing the features and the sound

really lovely tone...I know I was decided to get the Medusa over this one...but...now I´m not sure...I´m a sucker for this kind of "roland-ish" sound...damn


I´ll wait for a better demo of the Medusa...something more musical, like this one


You guys think this demo sounds good? The Manther is way better than this video even. The video was basically playing presets. The sound is really good, but Divkid didn't even scratch the surface. This thing can get crazy in terms of sequences. You'd be surprised with the expression you can get out of it. The sequencer plus this raw sound is the Ballzzz!
nectarios
stikygum wrote:
zeit wrote:
Oh man, that DivKid demo is so good. That's what I was kind of waiting around on, easily able to get those 303'ish types of sounds as well. Really happy that they included delay and it sounds pretty good from what I'm hearing. One thing that irks me about my OT is the delay is kind of meh...looking forward to getting this. w00t


anselmi wrote:
best demo until now, both showing the features and the sound

really lovely tone...I know I was decided to get the Medusa over this one...but...now I´m not sure...I´m a sucker for this kind of "roland-ish" sound...damn


I´ll wait for a better demo of the Medusa...something more musical, like this one


You guys think this demo sounds good? The Manther is way better than this video even. The video was basically playing presets. The sound is really good, but Divkid didn't even scratch the surface. This thing can get crazy in terms of sequences. You'd be surprised with the expression you can get out of it. The sequencer plus this raw sound is the Ballzzz!


He did state its a quick preview video and that there is a more in depth one in the works.
Sanys
Wicked modern 101/202. Great job, Malekko!
gentle_attack
stikygum wrote:
You guys think this demo sounds good? The Manther is way better than this video even. The video was basically playing presets. The sound is really good, but Divkid didn't even scratch the surface. This thing can get crazy in terms of sequences. You'd be surprised with the expression you can get out of it. The sequencer plus this raw sound is the Ballzzz!

...mmmkay then. There's basically no demos of this unit other than at a tradeshow with extremely harsh FM and crazy sequences. Pardon us for enjoying a more straightforward demo.

Enjoy your ballzzz as well It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners

Miley Cyrus

Just kidding. Great to hear that you think this is a conservative estimate of how good this sounds. Cheerio!
WaveRider
VanEck wrote:
, i just don't have any space for desktop synths


yep, that is why we used to own rackmounted synths

witch kind of disappeared in favor of desktop synths

but when you own more than 3 or 4, good luck with your ergonomics hihi
WaveRider
anselmi wrote:

I´ll wait for a better demo of the Medusa...something more musical, like this one


true, I only heard awfull sounds from that thing yet. I do not get it, as I love Dreadbox sounds
Panason
It seems that companies making demo videos these days are aiming for the crowd that gets wowed by how "crazy" and "nasty" a synth can sound because apparently if is isn't dissonant it is not cool.
Muzone
[quote="WaveRider"]
VanEck wrote:


...witch kind of disappeared in favor of desktop synths

but when you own more than 3 or 4, good luck with your ergonomics hihi


Yeah, I don't mind desktop synths, but it's when every one has it's own onboard sequencer it gets to be a pain - I prefer desktops I can run from my sequencer of choice....
phesago
[quote="Muzone"]
WaveRider wrote:
VanEck wrote:


...witch kind of disappeared in favor of desktop synths

but when you own more than 3 or 4, good luck with your ergonomics hihi


Yeah, I don't mind desktop synths, but it's when every one has it's own onboard sequencer it gets to be a pain - I prefer desktops I can run from my sequencer of choice....


While I agree i prefer on board sequencers that can be used for more than just notes - More modulation options/automation is cool.
Panason
I'm not aware of any synths with onboard sequencers that prevent you from playing them from an external controller/sequencer... that would be a big fail.
Muzone
Panason wrote:
I'm not aware of any synths with onboard sequencers that prevent you from playing them from an external controller/sequencer... that would be a big fail.


No, it's just that I get the sad feeling that I'm paying for something I don't need/won't use wink
ludotex
WaveRider wrote:
anselmi wrote:

I´ll wait for a better demo of the Medusa...something more musical, like this one


true, I only heard awfull sounds from that thing yet. I do not get it, as I love Dreadbox sounds


To be fair to the medusa, we only heard demos of the sequencer part. Since it was polyend demoing at SB, I think he was more eager to show the sequencer possibilities than the sound. I am sure that when we'll hear the sound it will be really good.

Back on topic... manther sounds very good, until that divkid quick run thru i wasn't remotely interested. But now I am.
flabby
VanEck wrote:
First look video by Divkid:



Well that changed my opinion! Looking forward to hearing more.
I remember buying the SH101 years ago and my initial reaction was "so what's the fuss?" On its own it's not terribly interesting. Then I started using it and began to understand why it was a classic. Manther has a very similar sound (and then some) to my ears. I imagine it will shine in use with other gear, when making and mixing, like the SH101.
gentle_attack
Muzone wrote:
Panason wrote:
I'm not aware of any synths with onboard sequencers that prevent you from playing them from an external controller/sequencer... that would be a big fail.


No, it's just that I get the sad feeling that I'm paying for something I don't need/won't use wink

MC-202'd
wavefold
anselmi wrote:
behringer goes an extra mile by having both filter FM from the oscillator and LFO range to audio rate...also, the LFO seems to be analog wich in my opinion is far better to FM...when I use the digital ones in my sub-37 the results are far from ideal


assuming that the lfo here is digital maybe we can ask for a faster range in future updates? shouldn't be too hard
WaveRider
Panason wrote:
It seems that companies making demo videos these days are aiming for the crowd that gets wowed by how "crazy" and "nasty" a synth can sound because apparently if is isn't dissonant it is not cool.


you are right, it is a trend hihi
gb
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers
stikygum
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


Compare the Manther to other mono synths. It's snappy. Modular can be insanely snappy and to the extent of being spoiled. But I think the Manther is much snappier than a lot of monos out there and it's punch sounds good. With that said, I'm curious what other people think about this as well now that you mention it. Perspective is always nice.
gb
stikygum wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


Compare the Manther to other mono synths. It's snappy. Modular can be insanely snappy and to the extent of being spoiled. But I think the Manther is much snappier than a lot of monos out there and it's punch sounds good. With that said, I'm curious what other people think about this as well now that you mention it. Perspective is always nice.


Ok, thanks for your input.
Compared it with what i have here (a dave smith pro-2 and a poly ob-6) and both have def. more punch and a much hotter outputlevel.
Out of curiosity, what other monosynths do you compare it with?
Thanks!
anselmi
gb wrote:
stikygum wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


Compare the Manther to other mono synths. It's snappy. Modular can be insanely snappy and to the extent of being spoiled. But I think the Manther is much snappier than a lot of monos out there and it's punch sounds good. With that said, I'm curious what other people think about this as well now that you mention it. Perspective is always nice.


Ok, thanks for your input.
Compared it with what i have here (a dave smith pro-2 and a poly ob-6) and both have def. more punch and a much hotter outputlevel.
Out of curiosity, what other monosynths do you compare it with?
Thanks!


I used to think that synths with snappy envelopes was my kind of stuff, until I got a real 101...and to my surprise it hasn´t the most snappy envelopes in town...it´s kinda slow, bouncing, rubberish but never lightning fast...BUT it´s one of my favorites synths ever...and because of this I started to program slower attacks in my other synths, rediscovering the joy of not-so-percussive sounds

Of course I still love this kind of sounds, but the response of the 101`s envelope is great no matter the fact that it´s slower than other synths that I have and love
gb
Inside the growling cat :-)

On the left board the vco CEM3340 and the filter SSI2144

geoffmar
picking mine up on monday from across the border (from a fellow wiggler...shout out!)

I'll do an extensive sound test with a bunch of different outboard effects. etc. I don't have a video cam but I might borrow from my brother...

Will run it through a Chase Bliss Tonal Recall, Strymon Big sky, T rex Replicator, Culture vulture and probably an analog heat.
anselmi
gb wrote:
Inside the growling cat :-)

filter SSI2144


and it have an audio input! great!
this and my proteus 2000 together will be my poor man prophet x!
digable-me
MORE DEMOS PLEASE screaming goo yo
springreverb
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


yes, it's a great machine but the envelope is disappointingly slow.
If it would just go that little bit faster on the attack, this thing would be awesome.
It sounds like there is always a slight attack on the envelope, like it's not quite at zero.
One of my buttons is getting stuck in all the time as well, not sure if Im going to get it replaced yet...will see how much it annoys me.
I've owned a 101 for 3 decades and its so exciting to see this kind of fantasy 101 design but unfort it has nowhere near as much punch or snappiness as a 101 but it does of course have a ton of things the 101 doesn't.

I think overall its an impressive machine that can do A LOT .
anselmi
springreverb wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


yes, it's a great machine but the envelope is disappointingly slow.
If it would just go that little bit faster on the attack, this thing would be awesome.
It sounds like there is always a slight attack on the envelope, like it's not quite at zero.
One of my buttons is getting stuck in all the time as well, not sure if Im going to get it replaced yet...will see how much it annoys me.
I've owned a 101 for 3 decades and its so exciting to see this kind of fantasy 101 design but unfort it has nowhere near as much punch or snappiness as a 101 but it does of course have a ton of things the 101 doesn't.

I think overall its an impressive machine that can do A LOT .


is it that slow? ...I got some really fast envelopes in eurorack format and compared to them the 101 is slow...are you saying that the manther is even slower? seriously, i just don't get it

if yes, can you please record something percussive with the fastest attack possible? thanks!
gb
springreverb wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


yes, it's a great machine but the envelope is disappointingly slow.
If it would just go that little bit faster on the attack, this thing would be awesome.
It sounds like there is always a slight attack on the envelope, like it's not quite at zero.
One of my buttons is getting stuck in all the time as well, not sure if Im going to get it replaced yet...will see how much it annoys me.
I've owned a 101 for 3 decades and its so exciting to see this kind of fantasy 101 design but unfort it has nowhere near as much punch or snappiness as a 101 but it does of course have a ton of things the 101 doesn't.

I think overall its an impressive machine that can do A LOT .


You description matches exactly with my experience.
I always check 2 or 3 times if the attack fader really is fully in the downposition.
I reallly hope for some modification in a future firmwareupdate...please malekko!!
bendedavis
gb wrote:
springreverb wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


yes, it's a great machine but the envelope is disappointingly slow.
If it would just go that little bit faster on the attack, this thing would be awesome.
It sounds like there is always a slight attack on the envelope, like it's not quite at zero.
One of my buttons is getting stuck in all the time as well, not sure if Im going to get it replaced yet...will see how much it annoys me.
I've owned a 101 for 3 decades and its so exciting to see this kind of fantasy 101 design but unfort it has nowhere near as much punch or snappiness as a 101 but it does of course have a ton of things the 101 doesn't.

I think overall its an impressive machine that can do A LOT .


You description matches exactly with my experience.
I always check 2 or 3 times if the attack fader really is fully in the downposition.
I reallly hope for some modification in a future firmwareupdate...please malekko!!


We are working on a new firmware that addresses reported issues as well as offers time selections (slow,medium,fast) for both LFO and envelope. I will post again as we have an update on this firmware.
gb
bendedavis wrote:
gb wrote:
springreverb wrote:
gb wrote:
Hi all!

Got a Manther a few days ago..such a nice box!
I’m really happy with the sound, interface, size, feature.

The only thing i‘m not totally happy with, is the response of Envelope/VCA.
Next to the intellijel Atlantis or the roland System 1M it never gets as punchy. Always feels a bit slow in the attack. Like linear vs expo response.
I tried the adsr of the atlantis in the ext.in of the vca and now the punch is there...

Is it a digital ADSR in the Manther that could be varied in a future firware-update?
Maybe an option from lin to expo or something like that?

Does someone feel the same about the envelope?

Cheers


yes, it's a great machine but the envelope is disappointingly slow.
If it would just go that little bit faster on the attack, this thing would be awesome.
It sounds like there is always a slight attack on the envelope, like it's not quite at zero.
One of my buttons is getting stuck in all the time as well, not sure if Im going to get it replaced yet...will see how much it annoys me.
I've owned a 101 for 3 decades and its so exciting to see this kind of fantasy 101 design but unfort it has nowhere near as much punch or snappiness as a 101 but it does of course have a ton of things the 101 doesn't.

I think overall its an impressive machine that can do A LOT .


You description matches exactly with my experience.
I always check 2 or 3 times if the attack fader really is fully in the downposition.
I reallly hope for some modification in a future firmwareupdate...please malekko!!


We are working on a new firmware that addresses reported issues as well as offers time selections (slow,medium,fast) for both LFO and envelope. I will post again as we have an update on this firmware.


This is great news!!
Manther is such a great Box and will be even better!
anselmi
bendedavis wrote:

We are working on a new firmware that addresses reported issues as well as offers time selections (slow,medium,fast) for both LFO and envelope. I will post again as we have an update on this firmware.


great news! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
Panason
bendedavis wrote:


We are working on a new firmware that addresses reported issues as well as offers time selections (slow,medium,fast) for both LFO and envelope. I will post again as we have an update on this firmware.


Are you going to be able to complete the MIDI implementation (CC control and sysex dumps) and add some way to trigger sequencer patterns over MIDI? Using MIDI notes would be ideal: if we can play the sequencer patterns from an external keyboard or sequencer it would add a lot of potential to the machine. Being able to jump from one pattern to another without waiting for the pattern to finish playing (jump on the next beat instead of the end of the bar) would allow us to improvise and create new phrases on the fly. This would be seriously awesome and cannot generally be done with program change messages.
Tajnost
Panason wrote:

Are you going to be able to complete the MIDI implementation (CC control and sysex dumps) and add some way to trigger sequencer patterns over MIDI? Using MIDI notes would be ideal: if we can play the sequencer patterns from an external keyboard or sequencer it would add a lot of potential to the machine. Being able to jump from one pattern to another without waiting for the pattern to finish playing (jump on the next beat instead of the end of the bar) would allow us to improvise and create new phrases on the fly. This would be seriously awesome and cannot generally be done with program change messages.


A good set of ideas, Panason!

Also, any new information about Wavetable machine? Any progress with it?
anselmi
Panason wrote:
bendedavis wrote:


We are working on a new firmware that addresses reported issues as well as offers time selections (slow,medium,fast) for both LFO and envelope. I will post again as we have an update on this firmware.


Are you going to be able to complete the MIDI implementation (CC control and sysex dumps) and add some way to trigger sequencer patterns over MIDI? Using MIDI notes would be ideal: if we can play the sequencer patterns from an external keyboard or sequencer it would add a lot of potential to the machine. Being able to jump from one pattern to another without waiting for the pattern to finish playing (jump on the next beat instead of the end of the bar) would allow us to improvise and create new phrases on the fly. This would be seriously awesome and cannot generally be done with program change messages.



I agree with this!

the best for me is to have a selectable way of pattern change (as in some of the elektron boxes that panason hates hihi )
geoffmar
bout to sit down with this bad boy for the first time here in a bit, lets see what all the fuss is about!
geoffmar
anymore word on the envelope fix?

this thing is great - super fun, very versatile...but im doing a lot of techno these days and you really can't even get a pluck sound with it for some reason (compared to my sh101 at identical settings)
anselmi
wavefold
anselmi wrote:



love w00t
Panason
Finally a demo that does more than the screaming in your face sounds. I think it sounds great, hopefully the envelope issue will be sorted out.
RickKleffel
I agree with Panason; that is both an informed and informative demo. The sounds are finally starting to show some variety and the sequencer looks both useful in itself and fun in combination with other gear. Had I the space to put it, I'd have one overnighted to me now.

I could even be convinced to *make* the space for it. The real coolness of this demo is what it implies for BFF. Having this format for some take on wavetable synthesis sounds not just fun, but powerful and possibly unique. Sequencing waves with a stripped down pattern-based platform might be the Next Big Thing.

I get the feeling that Malekko have thought a bit about what to leave out of an interface. That's as or more important than what to put in.

Demos are in general to be avoided as a means of evaluating synths. On one side of the divide, you have clueless knob twisting producing bland sounds that don't speak to the complexity one can find in a given box. (What we have seen so far with Manther.)

On the other side, the grass is too green; the demos offer kick-ass sequences, presumably programmed to death on a computer, that make a bit of gear seem ultra-compelling until [speaking for myself!] one lays one's own hands on it, only too produce ultra-uninspiring beeps and farts.

So, cool on this demo, which treads the line nicely, showing but not over-promising what this box can do.

If not for BFF, Medusa and Pulsar 23, well then!

Anyone else notice that DSI & Waldorf have both come out with new and super-compelling new flagship keyboards? Presumably (possibly, being able to order is the proof), Moog is as well. Happily, as they are all big-ass keyboards, I'm just not that interested. By the time they've lost the keys, I may find something piquant in them.
geoffmar
finally got in a bit of a play with this thing - must say, very impressed. it does exactly what i want it and probably more. heres a little noodle running into an el capistan and big sky.

its not really a "hands on " demo but in the middle-end i'm bringing up triangle wave, playing with env, etc. at about 1:20 it really starts to sing


https://soundcloud.com/nostaljik/mantherbig-sky-noodle

was looking for something with a little more presence to do melodic lead duties (elektron analog four is relegated to pads/atmospheres) and after selling my sh 101 a couple years ago i really feel like this could step up. the sequencer is pretty fun - haven't really gotten into automating all the sliders each step, but im sure it'll be fun. sound is very, very nice. once the ENV issue is fixed - this thing will be a show stopper (just needs a bit more pop on pluck style patches)
zeit
Yes! Another nice demo. Thanks for posting that anselmi
chiasticon
is there a spot on the Malekko page for firmware updates? I'm not seeing it. not sure which version I have but it - frustratingly - doesn't respond to start/stop messages. syncs to midi clock great, but you have to press start at the exact right time. maybe I have an older version though...? hmmm.....

only had the beast for a few days but pretty damn impressed so far. the menu is a bit more necessary than I'd thought but I'm not sure if it'll be an annoyance or not yet. and I wish you could cut/paste "pages" of your sequence (1-16 => 17-32, etc..) the way you can on Elektron boxes.
geoffmar
really liking this thing but its really hard to get a nice plucky sound on it....dont really want to get an sh 01 or an avalon...
geoffmar
another little noodle - manther on the arp through the big sky and elektron heat and the pad is elektron analog four...no automation so a little sketchy and im hand playing the pads but the middle-end sound pretty cool

https://soundcloud.com/nostaljik/moremanther
wavefold
finally got mine It's peanut butter jelly time!

cant' wait for the update, gotta go fast
geoffmar
Elektron A4 on the bass....

Manther through my T rex replicator on the ARP.

really really liking the tone on this replicator....might do a comparison to my el capistan soon

https://soundcloud.com/nostaljik/replicator


Tempted to get a moog for bass. Have had both the minitaur and sub 37.. what do yall recommend?
icosa
Anyone have issues with Midi sync and timing coming in early? No matter what I sync this to as a slave it’s always running about 16-20ms early. Not a huge deal but nothing else I own does that. A bit strange. Also, it occasionally won’t sync to midi clock even though it’s set. Have to power cycle it and then it’s fine. Loving it so far though. Sounds great. thumbs up
gb
icosa wrote:
Anyone have issues with Midi sync and timing coming in early? No matter what I sync this to as a slave it’s always running about 16-20ms early. Not a huge deal but nothing else I own does that. A bit strange. Also, it occasionally won’t sync to midi clock even though it’s set. Have to power cycle it and then it’s fine. Loving it so far though. Sounds great. thumbs up


I sync‘d my manther to the MFB Tanzbär and the Manther was always earlier (master or slave).
Thought that it‘s a latency problem of the MFB Tanzbär, but perhaps its the manther ?

I „solved“ it by setting all the steps of the manthers sequence to with shift/delay to around 14-16.
icosa
That’s a clever fix with the delay. I’m almost positive it is the Manther. I’ve tried syncing it with a lot of gear and it’s always early. A positive midi sync delay of about 16ms in Ableton fixes it but you can’t have anything else on that midi output or it’s all wonky.

I emailed them to let them know of the issue. Hopefully they know already and it’s sorted in this upcoming update.
bimbom
i drop by every week or so , disappointing to see 'cant wait for the update'.
i know its a symptom of 'todays tech' , ive had fair share of things with iphone issues, elektron , i saw mfb club issues, mpc live , tempest , , ..tr8s timing issues , quirks on the avalon , .... i've got used to it with apps , but also learnt to wait a little before diving on to something new if its hardware.

although i did grab a neutron..

this type of gear lives on tight timing , punchy envelopes etc... i'll be back in a week , see how things are going .
Panason
bimbom wrote:

this type of gear lives on tight timing , punchy envelopes etc... .


Yep. Come on, Malekko.
bimbom
here's a quirky thing.
i sold my neutron and a manther magically appeared via a website/paypal/a magic van that dropped off a cardboard box.

i like the manther a lot , its probably what i've been looking a long time for , a modern 101/202 with a bit of elektron-ness thrown in.
it soulds nice and can do a crazy weird time stretch type sound thing (zero time , full send , full regen , then click between syncd and free delay). the delay is nice and clean and can be weirdly altered by the lfo.

the interface is fine , theres room to improve if they can in terms of shortcuts and things (e.g if you are on delay settings, maybe you could hold the step and a key to snap to one of 7 values via white buttons)

and it'd be nice if . when i held a step , the key that was assigned flickerd in some way.. but currently its fine and quick , i'm comparing it a little to elektron hear. overall suggesting the the keyboard could be context senstive if the user is on prob/delay/gate etc.. the current method is quick too.

i put some noise here if you want to listen , its all 96k wav from zoom h5.
the image shows the difference between triggering a drum sample on digitakt and a zap noise from manther(slave) when it's syncd via digitakt(master)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s_oRD8yHdZ3QSzQ0zZZsrCBqxWkzXRRy

Picture file

and i'd love steps 1,5,9,13 marked in some way .
and be careful that you put midi IN to the actual midi in socket, it doesnt align with the graphic on the top panel as there isnt enough room.
Panason
bimbom wrote:


and it'd be nice if . when i held a step , the key that was assigned flickerd in some way..


Wait, it doesn't show you what note you have entered on a step when you hold it? seriously, i just don't get it
sonicmayhem
Is Manther available anywhere??? very frustrating
bimbom
sonicmayhem wrote:
Is Manther available anywhere??? very frustrating


https://matttechmodular.co.uk/product/manther/
uk..
crc
Panason wrote:
bimbom wrote:


and it'd be nice if . when i held a step , the key that was assigned flickerd in some way..


Wait, it doesn't show you what note you have entered on a step when you hold it? seriously, i just don't get it


I hope they fix this in the promised os update. What i also hate is that sub osc does not glide. Makes some portamento style basslines sound a bit strange.

I would also like those elektron style 1:2 (every second time ect.) propabilities instead of just percent values.

Copy function seems a bit strange too, as you can only copy one step at a time. I want to copy full bars to make the pattern longer, and then do slight variations. This would also be easier with those propabilities i mentioned earlier.
amnesia
I played one in a store and while it had promise I found it sounded really glitchy in a bad way. Maybe it needed a firmware update?
rob909101
better than the sh-o1a
crc
one more thing i hope they will add with a update is velocity to filter or accent level when playing the manther with midi. midi pitch bend would also be a nice addition.

and when i wrote that the sub does not respond to glide, it doesn't react to lfo vco mod either. and since it is not stepped down from the main core vco (its digital right?) it is just slightly in a different tune than the main osc. not that it matters mutch as it is just a few cents off, but there is always a bit of movement in the sound when i mix a square sub with a basic sawtooth wave.
bimbom
The copy note is basic , I think one the interface isn’t very clear , which is source and destination is ok but it’s not so clear where I am during the process based on the numbers being shown.

Again , flashy steps would be great ( select source , select destination )... I looked for pattern copy too, maybe next update
I really don’t want to start filling up this thread with feature request , many are straight forward .
It’ll be good to see / beta test the new os.

And that I can have both parameter locks on specific steps but everything else continues to track the interface / sliders.
Panason
Can't even copy patterns? seriously, i just don't get it
There's too much stuff missing here, I 've completely lost interest. I was interested in this for the built-in sequencer but it seems way too basic- on top of the other issues already mentioned in the thread. Another rushed product.
bimbom
It’s very possible I have no clue what I’m doing but it’s not in the manual.
There is a sequencer mode for all / notes i’ll Look at ,

I may do my 1st YouTube vid review for this.ive never done one before and I get the sense there just aren’t enough people doing this on yoooootub.( or I can just add the the masses of junk until I lose interest)
Prints
Panason wrote:
Can't even copy patterns? seriously, i just don't get it
There's too much stuff missing here, I 've completely lost interest. I was interested in this for the built-in sequencer but it seems way too basic- on top of the other issues already mentioned in the thread. Another rushed product.


Copying a pattern is as simple as saving a preset to another location. Take a break from being such a drama queen for once.
djx
crc wrote:
and when i wrote that the sub does not respond to glide, it doesn't react to lfo vco mod either. and since it is not stepped down from the main core vco (its digital right?) it is just slightly in a different tune than the main osc. not that it matters mutch as it is just a few cents off, but there is always a bit of movement in the sound when i mix a square sub with a basic sawtooth wave.

I've noticed the vco tuning drifts as the unit gets warm, but the sub doesnt. After about 30mins I turn it off and on again. I think it recalibrates because it seems fine after that.
gb
bimbom wrote:

And that I can have both parameter locks on specific steps but everything else continues to track the interface / sliders.


This would be really nice!
crc
One more little thing that bugs me (but just a little bit) is when i mix both saw and square wave, i get this odd octave rise kind of sound, that looses a bit of fatness. I have had alot of 1 osc synths with mixable waveforms, and i don't remeber any of them sounding like this. Sounds like there would be some phase cancellation.

Anyone else notice the same?
djx
Yes. Same here. I'm getting used to it though. Compensating in other ways.
bimbom
Using it more today.
Copy note is ok.

Shift + copy , The menu will appear the very 1st time both numbers will be blank.
Press step that you want to copy and the number will appear
Press step to copy to and that number will appear below

The next time you press a step , it’ll revert back to sowing a single number
You can select bank during this process. To copy , for example step 2 to step 61
You can only copy from 1 note to a single destination note , not multiple .
Press shift to exit menu.
Copy works while sequencer is playing or not
bimbom
When you hold a step it shows on screen the fader positions if they’ve been altered , these faders will also be lit red.

Note , you can store glide , morph , delay , regen , time but they’re not displayed at the moment. (V1.0)
The note of that step is not displayed on screen or on the mini keyboard ,
The step is currently only shown when you play sequencer and it’ll flash on keyboard.
Transpose is not displayed via screen or transpose keys.

If you are altering a fader it’ll become an outline for a short period
As the sequence plays the graphic bars will up up n down and the note will flash on the mini keyboard.
The faders that have not been recorded into the sequencer will match their position but won’t move.

crc
bimbom wrote:
Using it more today.
Copy note is ok.

Shift + copy , The menu will appear the very 1st time both numbers will be blank.
Press step that you want to copy and the number will appear
Press step to copy to and that number will appear below

The next time you press a step , it’ll revert back to sowing a single number
You can select bank during this process. To copy , for example step 2 to step 61
You can only copy from 1 note to a single destination note , not multiple .
Press shift to exit menu.
Copy works while sequencer is playing or not


Yes that is easy, but i would want to copy steps 1-16 to steps 17-28 or so, but that seems utterly complex.
gentle_attack
It would be great if they could somehow make a mode that creates a secondary sequencer for the CV Outs, that's no longer married to the internal synthesis.

Despite the "building with Legos" nature of the MC-202 sequencer, the second pattern you could build was one of the coolest little hidden features.
bimbom
If you extend a sequence from 16 to 32 holding bank 2 + step 16 ( eg last step, it’ll duplicate the 1st set of 16 to the next set.

If you’ve defined a 32 step and extend it once more it’ll dupe 1 to 16.
If you have a 32 step seq and extend to 64 , it’ll dupe 1 to 32 into 33 up to 64 ..

Sequence change.. (v1.0)
While sequencer is Running you hold recall and step , or press recall , bank , step .
If you hold recall it’ll default to current bank so it’s quick to swap from d05 to d09

You can change patterns with 2 methods , defined in the menu.
BAR or NOW

BAR
It’ll wait until the end of the sequence to swap to the next.

NOW
it’ll swap instantly.

Note.
Unless it’s on NOW , the sequencer needs to be running to swap.
If it’s playing it’ll act as defined in the menu.
If it’s stopped and you decide to start editing sequence 6 , it won’t swap to it unless you play the sequencer .

Personally i’f prefer It to swap instant if the sequencer isn’t playing , so the the current option only changes the playing sequence , typically there might be options for instant / end of sequence type things so presumably it’s a v1.0 thing.
chiasticon
chiasticon wrote:
doesn't respond to start/stop messages. syncs to midi clock great, but you have to press start at the exact right time.
fixed this. seems like you need to re-start after you change to external clock. or possibly just have the clock source running when you start the unit. not entirely sure. but it's going now. and Malekko says they're looking into it. beer!
bimbom
stupid question time.

i'm trying to sequence the manther from sh01a which has got cv & gate out
manther has various cv in (vco , vca , vcf ) and gate in (env)

which do i plug the cv out of sh01a to make it play the same notes n stuff.
presumably vco ?

and i guess i need to open up the vca/env or maybe have a trigger on the sequencer running ?

i'm a bit of an idiot with cv and modular , and its 2am ...
bimbom
Answer to my own stupid question.
It works though I think it was mentioned earlier , the sub just blurbs out the same tone .

So
Sh01a sending notes and gate.
Manther Lfo out to sho1a clock in , on ramp up you get a nice swing type effect..


Interestingly saving a pattern with all sliders down but then clicking shift : clear forces sliders to be at default , some of the osc's are up , envy half way , envy values up a bit. Must be why it's a bit Whiney when I turn it on.

More manther adventures tomorrow.
sonicmayhem
Loving the Manther but one question remains: Why on earth can I not simply transpose a sequence? Or maybe I'm too tired but I don't see anything in the manual. thanks!
bimbom
sonicmayhem wrote:
Loving the Manther but one question remains: Why on earth can I not simply transpose a sequence? Or maybe I'm too tired but I don't see anything in the manual. thanks!


I did notice that notes played in via cv/gate can be tweaked with the mini keyboard but only for a brief moment , maybe internal it’s still running the sequencer even though i’ve Stopped it
Not sure it has a transpose function on the internal sequencer

Presumably if it gets one it would be shift: transpose up/down or shift: mini key to choose root note .

I wonder if led brightness is due , that blue flickering on the buttons is quite intense late at night.
sonicmayhem
bimbom wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
Loving the Manther but one question remains: Why on earth can I not simply transpose a sequence? Or maybe I'm too tired but I don't see anything in the manual. thanks!


I did notice that notes played in via cv/gate can be tweaked with the mini keyboard but only for a brief moment , maybe internal it’s still running the sequencer even though i’ve Stopped it
Not sure it has a transpose function on the internal sequencer

Presumably if it gets one it would be shift: transpose up/down or shift: mini key to choose root note .

I wonder if led brightness is due , that blue flickering on the buttons is quite intense late at night.


Yeah I tried all that. The function is not there. Pretty unbelievable. Also does MH respond to emails? These guys never ever reply. They don't reply on twitter. Whats up with that?
bimbom
Unsure about how to contact them , I know it’s expected ‘these days’ but I doubt I’d respond quickly while trying to develop things,... as a consumer I’d like to get some form of acknowledgement or idea that some things are being addressed which I understand they have indicated and a new firmware is due.

I know they’re experienced in producing good eurorack .

Probably for a new thread , but I do wonder sometimes , as a consumer , how early / good enough a product should be before release.
Especially when some of the early presentations fail to acknowledge the shortcomings of a brand new device( not just self funded adverts , I include some websites and YouTube people in this)
. Some things can be unexpected , some companies are small , but I’m increasingly feeling like a beta tester when I dive into new releases. This isn’t directed at any particular developer and is also relevant for apps, games , plugins ,
If they expect that feedback and are able to acknowledge and fix it i’m ‘Ok’ for a while and have been quite positive on some new devices despite the state of the firmware
must stay on topic ... manther ... I do like it.
bimbom
Weird double post ... ignor this
djx
I've contacted Malekko re the Mather twice via their web page. They responded with helpful answers about 24 hours later. Given the timezone difference, I thought that was pretty good.
gb
djx wrote:
I've contacted Malekko re the Mather twice via their web page. They responded with helpful answers about 24 hours later. Given the timezone difference, I thought that was pretty good.


Same Here...
bimbom
Maybe someone can help

Manther would only trigger if I sent it 2 notes on the same step .. ?

Built in seq had no notes ( was sequencing from digitakt )
Midi clock set to ext.
Glide was off , morph off , lfo delay at zero , noting lit red.
Maybe a bug , maybe digitakt , probably user error. Both had been running for a while and digitakt isn’t exactly bug free either.
Anyone had similar ?
Panason
bimbom wrote:

Especially when some of the early presentations fail to acknowledge the shortcomings of a brand new device( not just self funded adverts , I include some websites and YouTube people in this)


Yeah, I'm sure there is some shady stuff going on with some of the Youtube channels. People don't want to rock any boats so that they keep getting pre-release review units so they can have more views.
Don't know if anything like this has happened with any of the channels that did vids on the Manther, just saying it probably goes on from what I've seen in the recent past. Stuff that's obviously missing/ not working is only mentioned by people in forums while Youtube reviewers /beta testers happily give the gear all thumbs up.
sonicmayhem
Just FYI: Just because a company response well to some other users doesn't invalid my original complaint. They only responded after getting a nudge from Divkid and via twitter. Just to clear that up...

reg Manther: MH is an awesome company, i own a lot of their eurorack modules. But to release a synth that's specifically designed for a) intuitive/live performance and b) around a sequencer, its a bit unforgiving that you cannot transpose a sequence on the fly. Evidently they will update the unit with that function in a future firmware but there is no release date for it.
bimbom
I'll start my ranting/angry thread one day..

theres a difference between releasing something finished with a bit of tweaking , possibly user requests and release something which is 'minimum viable product' , ... obvious things missing , bugs , things falling over very easily (i'm not talking quirky weird user things , just normal use that 90% of people would find). putting a * on the box with 'coming at a future point' doesnt cut it any more.

i have seen some critical reviews of some gear , though the difference between some reviews/presentations has sometimes been very different to my experience of the actual product ... it doesnt do any company any favours to see new product ship only for forums to fill up with complains about very very obvious issues.

I'm sure QA procedures are improving , more difficult for small teams , but if any developer is aiming to sell more than a handful , they need to be able to properly organise their QA , test plans , repeatable steps , priorities , database , test beds , soak tests , compatibility with other typical gear . and on top of all this i know there can be issues that just cant be fixed before release , but are ready quite early after ship date.

QA / testing isnt easy , i'm aware of the difficulties , unfortunately sometimes a call has to be made to ship a device/product with known issues.

shipping a few versions off to youtube / magazines isnt a good way to beta test as everyone has their own things to deal with.

and previous hardware can potentially indicate the future direction.
its well know the blofeld has screen , encoder and firmware issues that people are working around ... compared to the Quantum its probably quite simple. so many more encoders , touch screen , complicated os , ...hopefully they learn from the older mistakes and move forward (i've not touched a quantum , have no idea of how it might perform and dont want to imply anything other than it being a really top end device )

the best experience of this i've had recently was novation with the Circuit , it worked well , good communication even with some negative things (needing facebook to get the editor etc)... but they've built on the device and I sense they're doing many workarounds in order to get a better experience for their customers.

final point though is that the customer (i.e synth people in this case) are quite technical and demanding ... and will endlessly request features both ones missing , things are are nice to have and requests just because they're not entirely sure how to do something within the current framework ... i do this myself and quite aware when its just my personal preference and a weird request or something more widely expected amongst similar devices.

i'm sure if anyone on here has eaten a dodgy curry they haven't gone back to the same restaurant unless friends / reports suggest its definitely a one off... I've recommended the digitakt in the past , and still would while trying to point out some potential pitfalls and issues , workarounds and endless requests.

I also like the vids on youtube , i get that it's either genuine excitement for a product or a modern way of 'promotion' which benefits both the company and whoevers doing the video .

done smile
Panason
Unfortuntely the "fix it in a later update" culture is well upon as.
The fact that a product accepts firmware updates is now regarded as a feature, and even expected by kool-aid drinking consumers, instead of being regarded as an admission that the product is being sold unfinished.

Bill Hicks's words about marketing and advertising people still ring loudly.

angry
sonicmayhem
The MH Manther has def several issues and I'm really not a complainer but at least 2 things should be working and rock solid upon release:

1. Sync. It just doesn't sync properly. No I'm doing it wrong and yes its obvious. Thats just sloppy.

2. No Seq transpose. Ive mentioned this before and the only answer I got was "we know about it and thinking about the next firmware". Not very reassuring.

These missing/not working functions are essential to not only my workflow but how I compose. Everything is sync to Cubase and not being able to transpose a seq is a instant creativity killer.

Also if you can't return an email within 48 hours during business week than maybe you shouldn't have a business.

Like I said, I love MH modules but I am disappointed in Manther. It sounds rad but its unfinished.
icosa
I sent in some bugs that I’ve found with sync being out of wack and having to restart when changing sync type. I haven’t hear back from them yet.
Epicentre
I hate to bitch too, but yeah, mine won’t sync to external MIDI clock no matter what.
bimbom
i got mine to sync , but the timing is a little out (i posted pics n stuff on the previous page). ive only tried int/Midi sync though.

the positive thing from this is that , assuming the other boxes run off the same core hardware for sequencing , in theory they might be 'more streamlined' when they come out..

its so much easier to complain on a forum than actually make my own synth/drum machine...
sonicmayhem
Does anyone have a problem with the tuning??
SonicRevolutions
Epicentre wrote:
I hate to bitch too, but yeah, mine won’t sync to external MIDI clock no matter what.


Turning it off and on again fixed it for me.
SonicRevolutions
Bring it on Malekko;

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/manther-updates-and-support/
bimbom
found a new one tonight.

if you go beyond the 16 steps , into 32/48/64 , the screen doesnt show the changes as you dial them in on the sliders . it only works if you are looking at steps 1 - 16 .

anything on 'bank 2,3,4' areas and you'll only see it change if you play the sequence through and the small line will move.

expected - on any bank when editing the steps , as you dial in automation, the lines will move.

maybe not a bug.
cant record note data from external controller/sequencer , e.g. sequencing from digitakt it's triggering notes on the mini keyboard and sounds fine but if i want to get that sequence on the device i have to enter it by hand.

id like to hear what a note is going to sound like (including any automation on it)... and some indication of the note/transpose setting.


like to change sequence without sequencer running.

would like to see indication of dials
maybe get another screen added to dial in glide,delay,amount,regen, amounts on a graphic interface (similar to gate, delay , accent)... unfortunately it would match with the screen printing on the case.

turn down / a;ter brightness of screen / leds / flashing.
indicate which pattern you are while holding save , it would be more readable than the small numbers on the screen.
indicate in some way the upcoming pattern while the current one is playing.
add more options to select when a new pattern might play (now , each bar , end of pattern ).

currently it has now and bar (which is actually end of pattern , assuming a bar is each set of 16 steps ?.. depends on terminology i guess)

lfo key retrig only happens on triggers from the sequencer , not the keyboard.


i'm trying to use forums less, do more music.
i havent had an issue with tuning ...
Nutritional Zero
There is something weird about this synth. I’ve run into maybe half a dozen things which I can’t tell are me not understanding something, a bug, or some aspect of the OS/sequencer which is not apparent. It just seems... erratic.

Even without a sequence playing and no key pressed, the LFO is doing something audible, I’m hearing a long slow note, as if it’s opening the VCA or something.
bimbom
ive cleared all the automation/notes , everything , off A01 to ensure its doing what i want.

when it was default , when i turned it on it made a drone noise , which i assumed was due to some of the osc being up , and vca / mod being set , irrespective of the led's being lit or not.

also , helping to clear the sliders/knobs ensures its actually displaying the correct status (if its red/unlit).


this is from the support page.
3. NOT ALL SLIDER LEDS ARE LIT

When a slider LED is lit, that means sequence automation is recorded.
When you first power up the Manther, preset A01 is loaded. This is a sequence with automation on some of the controls, therefore not all of the slider’s LEDs are lit.

The sequence needs to be playing to hear its automation. The slider automation is represented in the display.
Pressing SHIFT+CLEAR will set the Manther to default and all slider LEDs will turn off.
sonicmayhem
The unit is not really ready to be sold. Its disappointing to find out after paying for one. I have emailed MH a few times and Paul was very nice and friendly but he twice dodged my question of when they would have a firmware ready to go. Not really cool. Some of these fixes/features take a weekend to add (Like Transpose a sequence).
bimbom
i feel similarly though i was lucky with the price and would like to see how it pans out. yesterday i was ready to box it up , today i used it a little more and worked around some of the missing stuff.

they certainly need to work on this a little before the other boxes arrive (assuming they'll inherit a lot of the work from the sequencer) and ideally everything else on this forum thread that has been posted. not sure any of it is 'luxury unexpected functionality'
theyve done lots of interesting eurorack , making a device that pulls multiple things together must be challenging for anyone ... competition is tough in the groovebox/£600 area... and they had all that extra time due to the snow blizzard or whatever happened when they demo'd it a while back,

and strangely i looked at the drum machine design and wondered about a few of the button placements , how inconvenient they might be... but presumably its still work in progress. (particularly how spread apart each drum type is and the dials in front of them , typically the sounds / xox sequencer are close together and very quick to select , you dont have to reach over anything and think about it).

interesting .....
theres a good vid on youtube today , nicely presented explanation of the current feature set.
sonicmayhem
Care to share the link? wink


bimbom wrote:
i feel similarly though i was lucky with the price and would like to see how it pans out. yesterday i was ready to box it up , today i used it a little more and worked around some of the missing stuff.

they certainly need to work on this a little before the other boxes arrive (assuming they'll inherit a lot of the work from the sequencer) and ideally everything else on this forum thread that has been posted. not sure any of it is 'luxury unexpected functionality'
theyve done lots of interesting eurorack , making a device that pulls multiple things together must be challenging for anyone ... competition is tough in the groovebox/£600 area... and they had all that extra time due to the snow blizzard or whatever happened when they demo'd it a while back,

and strangely i looked at the drum machine design and wondered about a few of the button placements , how inconvenient they might be... but presumably its still work in progress. (particularly how spread apart each drum type is and the dials in front of them , typically the sounds / xox sequencer are close together and very quick to select , you dont have to reach over anything and think about it).

interesting .....
theres a good vid on youtube today , nicely presented explanation of the current feature set.
Panason
Seems like Malekko have some way to go before they can go beyond the eurorack stuff. Way too many corners cut here!
It sucks because we were all expecting this eagerly. I'd suggest to them if they're reading this that they shelf the other 2 boxes until they have updated the Manther to be up to proper spec.
This is not the machine I was hoping for... it seems like a very half baked attempt to imitate an elektron box, but lacking a lot of what makes those boxes so capable.
crc
Anyone tried the cv outs of the sequencer? The internal seq tuning seems to go a bit crazy when you plug a cable to the cv out.
sonicmayhem
Its so frustrating because it does sound GREAT. Just a little more attention to detail and making sure sync is rock solid would make this the killer machine. Their email replies were nice but to be honest, they dodged my question twice now. When will the firmware show up. I do some computer programming myself and i cannot imagine that all of these issues would take more than a week to finish. Put a beta up for all I care. But its sitting here and i wanna use it but it's just so counter intuitive if I cant even transpose a seq on the fly (I know i've bitching about it on and on)..

Hopefully they will come through and not abandon Manther.


Panason wrote:
Seems like Malekko have some way to go before they can go beyond the eurorack stuff. Way too many corners cut here!
It sucks because we were all expecting this eagerly. I'd suggest to them if they're reading this that they shelf the other 2 boxes until they have updated the Manther to be up to proper spec.
This is not the machine I was hoping for... it seems like a very half baked attempt to imitate an elektron box, but lacking a lot of what makes those boxes so capable.
sonicmayhem
Im glad im not alone. I thought im going crazy...

crc wrote:
Anyone tried the cv outs of the sequencer? The internal seq tuning seems to go a bit crazy when you plug a cable to the cv out.
two505s
Interesting to read. But I forgot the knobs are ugly confused
SonicRevolutions
Give them some time, this thing has just been released and if Malekko want those other boxes to sell they’ll definitely come up with new firmware soon.
sonicmayhem
Absolutely. But we are not asking for innovative features here...

I think it would be a good idea if companies reach out to musicians first to get some feedback. A selected group. I can guarantee you had I been one of those, my first immediate feedback would have been "you cannot release this without a way to quickly transpose a seq on the fly". smile

SonicRevolutions wrote:
Give them some time, this thing has just been released and if Malekko want those other boxes to sell they’ll definitely come up with new firmware soon.
geoffmar
i just want the envelope patch. really dont want to have to swap this out for an sh 01a, cause this thing is so much more powerful
bimbom
its been out a short while , but should've been in test for quite a while , and i guess it was.... some of the issues being discussed (not specifically new functionality , just issues) shouldve been known about with a 100% understanding that they can be fixed as it went to manufacture , with a plan to get a firmware patch released alongside preview units or at least within a week or two of street dates , with some type of communications with the fan base to acknowledge some last minute fine tuning and that 'theyre on it'

weve had a new webpage , I'm not sure any of those points were at the forfront of my thoughts when i plugged it in and used it. I'm fully aware some of my first thoughts/complaints are due to work flow and i dont expect them to copy what ive been using (elektron etc) ... i'm not trying to moan/bitch that they havent copied another company.

what i hope they didn't do was send it to a few very talented youtube people expecting that to be their 'beta test' phase... testing gear isnt sending it to youtube friends no matter how good they might be. it may be a great way to get some exposure (both for the company and the youtuber who has an early vid on a piece of gear that a lot of people are interested in).
there has been some good overview vids right now (general overview , options on the menus etc) , but if anyone released a 'review' , a proper look at functionality , work flow , sequencing etc, and they DIDNT mention some of the issues they'd surely lose some credibility ... (it would be like demoing the elektron digitakt when that came out , and not mentioning how it fell over when any midi left it , which come to think of it wasnt mentioned in any 'reviews' that spring to memory though i'm sure there mustve been some)

a proper , precise set of repeatable situations which can give repeatedly incorrect and then correct results to prove something if fixed and other aspects have not become broken , no matter how complicated this device may be.

i may be mistaken but didn't they have a big delay due to a snow storm somewhere , they couldn't show a fully functional version or something ?
is it still snowing ? (that's intended as a kind of joke , sort of funny but also a little ... what the F??? )

and sure , elektron got it wrong as others have too , but my ££££ is the same if its going to any other company or malekko , a product that works. ive bitched about elektron and supported them at times , digitakt is a very capable box and still has room to develop).

basically , melekko people , we're all with you , we want this to work , make great sounds , sequence things , bleep and bloop like the best of them, please reach out , be honest, let us know whats going on .
bimbom
sonicmayhem wrote:
Care to share the link? wink

https://youtu.be/csa9xVfqj54


bimbom wrote:
i feel similarly though i was lucky with the price and would like to see how it pans out. yesterday i was ready to box it up , today i used it a little more and worked around some of the missing stuff.

they certainly need to work on this a little before the other boxes arrive (assuming they'll inherit a lot of the work from the sequencer) and ideally everything else on this forum thread that has been posted. not sure any of it is 'luxury unexpected functionality'
theyve done lots of interesting eurorack , making a device that pulls multiple things together must be challenging for anyone ... competition is tough in the groovebox/£600 area... and they had all that extra time due to the snow blizzard or whatever happened when they demo'd it a while back,

and strangely i looked at the drum machine design and wondered about a few of the button placements , how inconvenient they might be... but presumably its still work in progress. (particularly how spread apart each drum type is and the dials in front of them , typically the sounds / xox sequencer are close together and very quick to select , you dont have to reach over anything and think about it).

interesting .....
theres a good vid on youtube today , nicely presented explanation of the current feature set.
chiasticon
bimbom wrote:
and sure , elektron got it wrong as others have too , but my ££££ is the same if its going to any other company or malekko , a product that works. ive bitched about elektron and supported them at times , digitakt is a very capable box and still has room to develop).

yeah a lot of my patience with this box is from being an Elektron user for fifteen or so years. I had one of the first Monomachines. literally sold and shipped with an OS that was labeled "beta." and yeah, it had issues. software and hardware. but they worked hard and made it great. Machinedrum too; look at where that machine started versus where it ended up! (it's worth noting, however, that Elektron did flat out tell early adopters "this will be beta for a while. expect issues." and sold the first 100 or so machines at a massive discount.)

MH appear to be interested in getting it right and indeed they need to if they wanna continue down this road. just gotta give it some time...
crc
Few things that worry me.

Saw wave in wrong phase. When you play both saw and square at full volume, there is some cancellation happening. Makes the sound thin and sounds like it plays one octave higher. Never had this in any synth with mixable waveforms. Quite sure it is a hardware fault that can not be corrected with firmware.

Connecting the seq with CV out to another synth makes Manthers own internal synth tuning go whack. Also something that might be a hardware problem.

Sub osc is digital and can do alot of tricks, but it is never 100% locked to the main osc like a divide down sub osc is. Always slight movement happening. Making it do PWM would be useful too. Sub osc also does not respond to modulation. That makes basic vibrato style patches sound like crap.

Noise is also digital, so there could be some options for that too like different colors, filtering or bit reduction.

Wavefolding assigned to filter is never 100% off. There is always slight folding happening enen when the fader is all the way down.

Midi sync. Already discussed alot here.

Transposing. Same.

Moving a sequence left and right. Something that is equally as useful.for creative results as trasposing is with a sequencer like this.

Playing with midi. You should have control with velocity to filter or even the accent amount. Mod wheel and pitch bender should also do their basic functions. Legato glide / Auto glide should be a menu option.

The UI shoud be more visual of what pattern is playing, what note a selected step is currently playing ect. Blue leds should be forbidden smile

Anyways ...
bimbom
I’m trying to use this in a quite normal way , issues with phase of waveforms haven’t been obvious to me ( I’m showing my basic synth brain ). So it’s good to know these things , I’m sure malekko would be aware of these things too and are on it. As a eurorack / cv company for them to release something that goes out of tune so easily is surely something they knew about, it’s what they do..

But the longer this thread goes on without them reaching out , the worse is feels like it’s getting . And I’m guessing if they don’t delve in and look at these things someone much more knowledgable than I will get the oscilloscope out and clarify things on a quite damaging YouTube vid.
For an idiot like me it sounds ok it’s functionality needs a fix.

And unfortunately in the age of the internet everyone expects quick and transparent communications but the reality is often slow and I’m trying to be patient , despite posting on here quite often.
I’m not a beta tester , and I don’t think the hardware I’m buying is any cheaper because it’s unfinished. I doubt people buy cars that have most of the expected features but might not actually have a steering wheel and breaks .

Interestingly I posted a review on their webpage but it’s not showing yet.
Nutritional Zero
EDIT: I wrote here about thinking about returning Manther, but you know what? The last thing rabid internet gear culture needs is another punching bag and another flurry of people buying and selling and returning and rebuying things that were expensive to design and build.

I bought this synth because I like the sound of it and the philosophy of it seems like it was designed for people like me, with my taste in music.

Malekko are a good company. I like their products, and I like this one. They’ll get it right. Let’s send them thorough, reproducible bug reports and oscilloscope readings instead of jumping to conclusions on message boards.

In the meantime, let’s support other potential and new buyers as well as sharing tips for those of us who own it already.
crc
Well i just came from the post office, where i sent my unit back to the shop i got it from. Really tried to love this synth, and i have been looking for something like this for quite some time. Just so many things wrong with this thing, and i know some issues can not be fixed with a firmware update. Before returning i had it up for sale in a couple of places for a reasonable price. Zero contacts in one week. Too bad :(
bimbom
i'd be fine to try out a beta firmware but for proper beta testing , knowing what has changed , how it might impact the overall device , and testing for any implications of that change and confirming something is fixed , takes a lot more than 'here you go , heres an update , let us know whats going on'

the users , no matter how techy , shouldnt need to start sending oscilloscope readings and compiling bug reports with repro rates , repro steps etc , only perhaps if malekko reach out for assistance and are honest about things... maybe some of the coders on here could start trawling through the code , schematics ? .

this is irrespective of doing a small website , a synth , ios game , or something complicated. even a free ios app gets a proper beta test period , a team of QA , feature lock , further testing , soak tests and good test plans in place. i know many games would have support of a publisher who's experienced in this type of thing and maybe its an opportunity for a smart person to offer a nuanced synth service to companies looking to broaden out.

This is something thats increasingly bothering me and not directed at malekko (i have no clue how they test and honestly i shouldn't need to) so it is unfair to see my rantings on here as a direct massive list of issues with this equipment

I'm keeping it , hoping they'll work on it , update it just as ios apps get quick updates , other synths get quick updates (theres already one for the iK uno to fix calibration noise) . i saw one on gumtree and dived at the chance to get it slightly cheaper than new price , but i was very very close to grabbing it as soon as they hit the uk (which i did with digitakt ... and i got through that ok).

but i'm also trying to be open about my experience , if i were looking to buy one this is probably the main thread that i'm aware of and largely why i'm posting my opinion on it ...(full disclosure , i've never made & designed a synth , finished a track , released something , played live or anything.. not even made a youtube vid)... just come on forums and complain i guess.
Nutritional Zero
You’re all good, bimbom. A measured response. I’m going to hazard you’re a developer. Those of us working in software development tend to have a “omg how was this not caught prior to launch” mentality when it comes to other people’s products but can all recall egregious corner cutting or brutal launches on our own products, when we knew we weren’t ready but for “reasons” we had to go and that was it. I’m sure you and I both get it, but I hope everyone will have a bit of patience here.

That said, I do think feedback is important and necessary. I’m just wary of the pitchforks-out mentality I’ve seen on this message board lately.
chiasticon
well said. software developer here as well. so there may be some truth in that statement. ^^^

I’m in no hurry to sell. there’s room to improve and they’re having growing pains but I’m confident it’ll get sorted.
bimbom
new one today.

if you are manually triggering a note while you lower the sliders , you can still here the noise/sub etc when its at 'zero'

to ensure you get zero noise you have to move hit zero when you aren't manually triggering a note.

but , the nice thing was (as mentioned in the recent youtube vid) , setting things up so that the triangle etc slide but the sub osc doesnt , getting a weird portamento thing (unsure if its a bug or not).

top tip.
if you want to save a sound , just record the encoders onto the 1st step of your sequence , easy to remember so in a way you can either choose to use a slot for a sound (i.e only got 1 step lit up) or sound with sequence.

and if you plug a lead in the vco input and hold the ends it'll make a more buzzy noise , but thats probably to be expected.

and again to clarify , when i do make games i feel i often find weird things that QA wont find , especially in terms are art (polygons and all that stuff) , as thats my background and i know how things are put together and typical issues that some artists might overlook , i tended to be quite thorough in making my art 'solid' technically. so if i get a slight smell of an issue i do get a little persistent on reproducing it , which often helps ensure the bugs are clear , artist know what to fix, QA know exactly how to repro the problem and then how to ensure any fix is solid.

perhaps i'm trying to justify myself too much when i find issues (not just on this device) . and if i had a job i wouldn't be here half as much and using the gear even less.
Nutritional Zero
lol the last time I was unemployed I had such a surplus of mental energy I started using Linux at home again and “volunteering” a lot (which for me means bossing people around and offering process optimizations). Finally someone had the courage to tell me “You’re not helping.” lol
bimbom
yeh , i've made a decision not to visit forums till the evening , otherwise i'm on here/other forums posting my stupid opinions and ill informed ramblings without the music / production knowledge / actual releases to back anything up.

i doubt the stuff on here is 'helping ' , just annoying some people.
rico loverde
new firmware is being worked on.

I have said this multiple times on multiple Malekko threads....No one from Malekko is on Muffwiggler anymore. Besides me occasionally and every once in awhile Ben Davis. If your having a problem contact Josh or Paul at Malekko. Since no one really comes to muffs anymore if there is a bug that isn't being reported to them directly they may not know of it. We care deeply about our customers and we are working our asses off to get things sorted. We have a contact email and phone number on our site.

IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs.
beyourdog
It is usual that a small company would have difficulties to design, troubleshot and market a product (with several brewing at the same time) and that shortcuts would be taken on the way because time to market is short and after presenting beta versions to synth forums, they'd need to sell them when the iron is hot...not awaiting to solve issues...

Then, it is surprising that clients are willing to accept unfinished products without flinching too much. In the end, it is a SH101 clone with some CV and an updated / more modern sequencer...This thing would be groundbreaking, complex or really different, I would understand people would be willing to keep to it and bite it, but this is not really original...I mean hype goes a long way on this thing indeed when Roland already produced their own reissue of the SH101 (which works)...
bimbom
i have emailed them , asking to test any firmware , i think i mentioned a few issues , so i've gone that route also.
i see a lot of forum threads where people are upset that they cant spend their money on electronic equipment because of the perceived improvement to the entire life it may give... they're close to threatening violence because they cant buy a product and use it , how weird is that.

i understand and empathise with teams trying new things , developing their own synths (as apposed to me who's just buying them , which is far easier than designing and manufacturing my own).

ive been on projects that have taken 3 months to 3 years to develop and release no matter how much time at some point things have to stop being added to release a stable product , the latter (3+ years) still having issues and requiring patches once millions of people got to play it... and equally aware of comments from users who both love it and insult the dev team like they're a bunch of idiots for not doing something they expected , again responses have no context , it could be someone very knowledgable , it could be a 7 year old kid who hasnt got a clue , but ultimately they have the right as theyve paid for it.

so i get it and i'm sure many people here do too ... and its hard to gauge any form of response without looking into someones career history , psychological evaluations and other biases that can form their simplified response on here (its only text , theres no body language , theres often language translation issues that can lead to wildly different context).

much of my comments are unfortunately discussed on this particular thread and perhaps better for a new , less malekko based thread , in which we can further discuss buying unfinished products, both from the customers point of view (.. i want it now , it looks great , rush it to market ) vs others (i wanted it now , i got it , .. maybe my expectations have not been met) ... and further with developers who can clarify some potential issues and pressures theyre under in order to release something that is either 'in need of a firmware update' or bug free with limited functionality , or the 100's of other variations within the range of 'barely working' to ' brilliant design , ui, functionality and even with extras that i'd never anticipated'.

ok , i'm done , off to use some gear , and i'm viewing any response here as not any personal attack , its all good , fans of the hardware and very interested to see it develop.
gentle_attack
beyourdog wrote:
It is usual that a small company would have difficulties to design, troubleshot and market a product (with several brewing at the same time) and that shortcuts would be taken on the way because time to market is short and after presenting beta versions to synth forums, they'd need to sell them when the iron is hot...not awaiting to solve issues...

Then, it is surprising that clients are willing to accept unfinished products without flinching too much. In the end, it is a SH101 clone with some CV and an updated / more modern sequencer...This thing would be groundbreaking, complex or really different, I would understand people would be willing to keep to it and bite it, but this is not really original...I mean hype goes a long way on this thing indeed when Roland already produced their own reissue of the SH101 (which works)...
My twisted vision actually sees the Roland SH-101 VA as in fact a DUMBED DOWN version of the JP-8000 technology- from 2 decades ago! The JP8K is far more advanced, actually!

This was a big task for Malekko, no doubt about it. They've done right by plenty of Euro, Wiard, and stomboxes... but programming is a whole 'nother universe. You can't just throw money or people at it and "speed things up."

They promised a lot of features to "best" Elektron, but let's not forget Elektron had a 17yr+ head start. They can port code and 'concepts' they've been working on for decades, and the Manther is starting from making the screen flick on when you hit the power switch, absolutely ground zero.


I'm quite optimistic Malekko can weather the storm (not run out of money) and get the Manther working right. Once that's done, the other 2 boxes will be much faster to get rolling. I was not a first adopter but I do think these will be classics, as long as they don't get abandoned.
chvad
"IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs."

thats a real bummer but totally understandable. a loss for muffs for sure... but it's been a less pleasant place to visit for sure.
Oldstench
rico loverde wrote:

IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs.


That really sucks. I guess it's just a function of modular becoming far, far less of an enthusiast/beardy-weirdo hobby to being able to buy a full modular setup on Amazon.

Damn shame too.
Panason
bimbom wrote:
yeh , i've made a decision not to visit forums till the evening , otherwise i'm on here/other forums posting my stupid opinions and ill informed ramblings without the music / production knowledge / actual releases to back anything up.

I doubt the stuff on here is 'helping ' , just annoying some people.


What the hell are you talking about, your soundcloud has a ton of tracks!

Your comments are definitely helpful as far as I'm concerned. We're not discussing free software, we're discussing hardware that costs money and that people paid upfront for in this case (pre-orders), on good faith that Malekko will deliver.

If Malekko don't want to be here to see what people are saying about their product, that's their problem. Nobody on this thread is being "volatile".

People should not be afraid to mention issues no matter how liked the people behind the gear is. Some of us don't have much in the way of disposable income and want to be careful what to spend it on. The internet is here for us to share information so that we don't spend money blindly.

I value the info on gear that I find here more than any review or Youtube channel, because it comes from people actually using the gear in real life situations and who don't usually have any commercial bias.
rico loverde
Panason wrote:
bimbom wrote:
yeh , i've made a decision not to visit forums till the evening , otherwise i'm on here/other forums posting my stupid opinions and ill informed ramblings without the music / production knowledge / actual releases to back anything up.

I doubt the stuff on here is 'helping ' , just annoying some people.


What the hell are you talking about, your soundcloud has a ton of tracks!

Your comments are definitely helpful as far as I'm concerned. We're not discussing free software, we're discussing hardware that costs money and that people paid upfront for in this case (pre-orders), on good faith that Malekko will deliver.

If Malekko don't want to be here to see what people are saying about their product, that's their problem. Nobody on this thread is being "volatile".

People should not be afraid to mention issues no matter how liked the people behind the gear is. Some of us don't have much in the way of disposable income and want to be careful what to spend it on. The internet is here for us to share information so that we don't spend money blindly.

I value the info on gear that I find here more than any review or Youtube channel, because it comes from people actually using the gear in real life situations and who don't usually have any commercial bias.
I didnt say people IN THIS THREAD were being volatile. If you read my comment you would also see that it is a personal opinion not Malekko's.

Peoples input is welcomed and encouraged, but what Im saying is if you want actual action to be taken by Malekko do it through Malekko's website so we can accurately keep track of issues and bugs. I have nothing to do with that stuff so beyond bringing it to peoples attention thats all I can do. I come on here on my personal time to try and help people here by directing them in the best way to get the help they need.
Panason
Sure, no problem. I think Malekko could do some damage control by being more communicative here, but it's their call. I hope it gets worked out because the sound is good and the concept is good.
rico loverde
Panason wrote:
Sure, no problem. I think Malekko could do some damage control by being more communicative here, but it's their call. I hope it gets worked out because the sound is good and the concept is good.
eventually there will be someone who will be spending more time on social media / forums but right now we are all busting ass getting these (as well as all the other products we offer) out the door, new firmware written, etc etc and I think the general consensus is to get the new firmware finished then deal with the forum / social media. New firmware is coming, and a lot is being addressed. Please be patient.
beyourdog
Pretty sure most manufacturers are looking at Muff indeed, to feel the pulse of things but they engage less because the net is a double edged knife...you get instant customer communication gratification but as well as instant bollocking when things go bad...in this instance, by not engaging, it shows as well the lack of responsibilities of manufacturers when things go wrong..
rico loverde
beyourdog wrote:
Pretty sure most manufacturers are looking at Muff indeed, to feel the pulse of things but they engage less because the net is a double edged knife...you get instant customer communication gratification but as well as instant bollocking when things go bad...in this instance, by not engaging, it shows as well the lack of responsibilities of manufacturers when things go wrong..
I think your right to an extent. in the old days this was the center of the modular universe. there were barely any shops you could go try stuff out at so you had to get your info here. times have changed. it is pretty wild how many shops have opened in the 5 years ive been at Malekko / Darkplace.
bimbom
@panason , thanks , i guess i dont really class putting my stuff on soundcloud as being released , or that my stuff is good enough yet, but i hope its improving.

@reco Loverde (not sure if that worked).

i fully get what you say , i'm assuming this should be in a slightly different order but whatever gets it to its potential is all we are after and do wish them success as there is also a lot of interest in the drum machine and waveform box .I'm unsure if firmware should be written after its released but it does turn on , make sounds and sequence them , and i'm probably being very pedantic over the structure of a sentence . if i'd made it from diy kit i'd be much more forgiving and assume a few quirks were my fault due to bad soldering.

'we are all busting ass getting these (as well as all the other products we offer) out the door, new firmware written, etc etc'.

as markets grow , more customers come on board , its ever more important to ensure recent historical products are released with good firmware or it's seen to be actively being addressed . its just a small growing pain many successful companies go through trying to expand.

done , again ... again.
RickKleffel
I'm happy to see that Malekko is on the case; it was what i had suspected and hoped, which is to say, that they're busy working. I'm very interested in the BFF, seems like it might be really unique and fun. The real question is that a)i kind of like the MS2000R that currently occupies the space, and b) There's always the Medusa, or c)The Pulsar-23. There's no doubt I'll buy the Pulsar, but the timeline on that is far enough ahead that I can let myself figure it out when it arrives.

But back to Manther/Malekko/BFF, I'm generally encouraged by what I read here. Untransposable sequences are, however, a show stopper. And my general rule is to only buy based on what is working when I buy it. An impulse Manther buy just got shitcanned, Malekko, if you are listening. And if not, I trust you will learn!

The problem here is that transposing sequences is something I would have *assumed* as a basic part of the deal. So, note to self; always confirm assumptions with a glance at the manual before buying. Lesson learned and queued up for unlearning!

GearAnon calls us!
Nutritional Zero
Can I just take a moment to remind everyone how sexy the Manther looks sitting next to an Octatrack MkII.
Panason
Well I am sure absolutely nobody here is a gear fetishist, no-one ! cool
sonicmayhem
Dude are you mumbling about? "Jumping to conclusions"?

Its obvious that some things dont work and some 'feat' are missing. So no one is jumping to anything really but facts.


Nutritional Zero wrote:
EDIT: I wrote here about thinking about returning Manther, but you know what? The last thing rabid internet gear culture needs is another punching bag and another flurry of people buying and selling and returning and rebuying things that were expensive to design and build.

I bought this synth because I like the sound of it and the philosophy of it seems like it was designed for people like me, with my taste in music.

Malekko are a good company. I like their products, and I like this one. They’ll get it right. Let’s send them thorough, reproducible bug reports and oscilloscope readings instead of jumping to conclusions on message boards.

In the meantime, let’s support other potential and new buyers as well as sharing tips for those of us who own it already.
sonicmayhem
Exactly. I would have never guessed to first check if a device sold as the ultimate sequencer can transpose sequences on the fly. I mean this function is so basic, im still in disbelief on how that would not make it. It basically tells me that while Malekko makes cool shit, they don't have musicians test their gear. All i needed would have been 30 mins with it and I could've pointed out a few major things from the get go.


RickKleffel wrote:
I'm happy to see that Malekko is on the case; it was what i had suspected and hoped, which is to say, that they're busy working. I'm very interested in the BFF, seems like it might be really unique and fun. The real question is that a)i kind of like the MS2000R that currently occupies the space, and b) There's always the Medusa, or c)The Pulsar-23. There's no doubt I'll buy the Pulsar, but the timeline on that is far enough ahead that I can let myself figure it out when it arrives.

But back to Manther/Malekko/BFF, I'm generally encouraged by what I read here. Untransposable sequences are, however, a show stopper. And my general rule is to only buy based on what is working when I buy it. An impulse Manther buy just got shitcanned, Malekko, if you are listening. And if not, I trust you will learn!

The problem here is that transposing sequences is something I would have *assumed* as a basic part of the deal. So, note to self; always confirm assumptions with a glance at the manual before buying. Lesson learned and queued up for unlearning!

GearAnon calls us!
sonicmayhem
I totally get how people sometimes can be rude. I mean customer service is freaking tough. I can be guilty of that part too maybe at times. But if you're selling products you shouldn't really "hide" from your customers who most def are using Muff, because some people become rude. I mean the one thing that will actually calm people down is...good communication. Its just part of the business. You can't sell something that doesn't have basic functions and then try to avoid some heat. Just ignoring muff and other outlets (they have never responded to my tweets) isn't going to make buy anything from them again. Sorry.



rico loverde wrote:
new firmware is being worked on.

I have said this multiple times on multiple Malekko threads....No one from Malekko is on Muffwiggler anymore. Besides me occasionally and every once in awhile Ben Davis. If your having a problem contact Josh or Paul at Malekko. Since no one really comes to muffs anymore if there is a bug that isn't being reported to them directly they may not know of it. We care deeply about our customers and we are working our asses off to get things sorted. We have a contact email and phone number on our site.

IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs.
rico loverde
sonicmayhem wrote:
I totally get how people sometimes can be rude. I mean customer service is freaking tough. I can be guilty of that part too maybe at times. But if you're selling products you shouldn't really "hide" from your customers who most def are using Muff, because some people become rude. I mean the one thing that will actually calm people down is...good communication. Its just part of the business. You can't sell something that doesn't have basic functions and then try to avoid some heat. Just ignoring muff and other outlets (they have never responded to my tweets) isn't going to make buy anything from them again. Sorry.



rico loverde wrote:
new firmware is being worked on.

I have said this multiple times on multiple Malekko threads....No one from Malekko is on Muffwiggler anymore. Besides me occasionally and every once in awhile Ben Davis. If your having a problem contact Josh or Paul at Malekko. Since no one really comes to muffs anymore if there is a bug that isn't being reported to them directly they may not know of it. We care deeply about our customers and we are working our asses off to get things sorted. We have a contact email and phone number on our site.

IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs.
actually Malekko not being in here has nothing to do with customers being rough. They have been in business long enough that they are used to it. I can’t go into why they are no longer active here, nor do I care to. The comments about people being voilatile were MY OWN personal observations. I come on here on my own time to help and have gotten grief for it. This is all I care to go into anymore of this. I’m going to spend my day off playing with my synths. Peace out.

For reporting bugs or problems with the Manther please visit Malekko’s website.
sonicmayhem
I get it. Thanks for the info.



rico loverde wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
I totally get how people sometimes can be rude. I mean customer service is freaking tough. I can be guilty of that part too maybe at times. But if you're selling products you shouldn't really "hide" from your customers who most def are using Muff, because some people become rude. I mean the one thing that will actually calm people down is...good communication. Its just part of the business. You can't sell something that doesn't have basic functions and then try to avoid some heat. Just ignoring muff and other outlets (they have never responded to my tweets) isn't going to make buy anything from them again. Sorry.



rico loverde wrote:
new firmware is being worked on.

I have said this multiple times on multiple Malekko threads....No one from Malekko is on Muffwiggler anymore. Besides me occasionally and every once in awhile Ben Davis. If your having a problem contact Josh or Paul at Malekko. Since no one really comes to muffs anymore if there is a bug that isn't being reported to them directly they may not know of it. We care deeply about our customers and we are working our asses off to get things sorted. We have a contact email and phone number on our site.

IMO (not Malekko's) muffs has become quite volatile for MANY manufacturers hence the reason you don't see them here anymore. I still check in here but even im not doing it as much as to some incredibly rude PMs.
actually Malekko not being in here has nothing to do with customers being rough. They have been in business long enough that they are used to it. I can’t go into why they are no longer active here, nor do I care to. The comments about people being voilatile were MY OWN personal observations. I come on here on my own time to help and have gotten grief for it. This is all I care to go into anymore of this. I’m going to spend my day off playing with my synths. Peace out.

For reporting bugs or problems with the Manther please visit Malekko’s website.
blackjam
These look so mega
messier35
This is my first post, so hi to all of you ,

i just want to say that thread was really helpful for me (and the forum in the past entirely ), i like Manther sound and look a lot, but midi sync issues would make me sad , becouse it would be totally useless for me. Also seq transport is a must.

Other than that , good luck to Malekko with Manther, it is a great sounding synth, really special sounding, i can't wait for firmware update solving this issues to get one !!! It's peanut butter jelly time!
SonicRevolutions
Manther crashed today when it received a start message. No response from the buttons and it produced a high pitched tone. Had to turn it off and on again...

Then I noticed it doesn’t play the selected sequence every time i hit play on my daw. Instead it just played one lower note that wasn’t part of the selected sequence at all. Hitting stop and start again made it play the sequence only to do the same thing again a few stops and starts...

Told Malekko about this via their site.
bimbom
i sent them a long email last week , will see how things go.
hopefully they dont 'send the boys round' to sort me out.

ive been lazy recently and just do everything at 120 bpm (easy to edit in audacity , split up on digitakt / octatrack etc).. i dont have to work out silly numbers.

summary - i use the built in sequencer on its own and sample/edit elsewhere , avoiding the need to sync and midi trigger.
or trigger from digitakt on its own , avoiding the need for sync and with ability to edit quickly,
sonicmayhem
Same here. Im just being lazy too and avoid having the need to transpose sequences. I suppose I could just program the same one in a diff key onto another preset. Still - its annoying that its not there.

I understand that a lot of these companies are small and also have a life on the weekends and whatnot. And yes, there are impossible customers out there that make it really hard for them. but I also feel you know, if you make a product, even if its just 700 bucks I expect a certain customer service level which at this point MH are not providing. Ignoring Muff for example is ridiculous because most people on here are their customers. If you don't have a thick skin then you shouldn't sell anything. I get it. I sell my music myself and sometimes customers can just be...assholes. But all it would take is a single post here saying "We hear you and new firmware is coming in ca. XXX". So they are doing themselves a disservice if you ask me.

On that note, they did email me back twice. The last email got kinda ignored but I'm pretty sure that they KNOW the problems at this point. Hoping that a new firmware isn't far off.

Im kinda done bitching about it. Just gonna improvise around the flaws and make some music! Cheers...



bimbom wrote:
i sent them a long email last week , will see how things go.
hopefully they dont 'send the boys round' to sort me out.

ive been lazy recently and just do everything at 120 bpm (easy to edit in audacity , split up on digitakt / octatrack etc).. i dont have to work out silly numbers.

summary - i use the built in sequencer on its own and sample/edit elsewhere , avoiding the need to sync and midi trigger.
or trigger from digitakt on its own , avoiding the need for sync and with ability to edit quickly,
rico loverde
sonicmayhem wrote:
Same here. Im just being lazy too and avoid having the need to transpose sequences. I suppose I could just program the same one in a diff key onto another preset. Still - its annoying that its not there.

I understand that a lot of these companies are small and also have a life on the weekends and whatnot. And yes, there are impossible customers out there that make it really hard for them. but I also feel you know, if you make a product, even if its just 700 bucks I expect a certain customer service level which at this point MH are not providing. Ignoring Muff for example is ridiculous because most people on here are their customers. If you don't have a thick skin then you shouldn't sell anything. I get it. I sell my music myself and sometimes customers can just be...assholes. But all it would take is a single post here saying "We hear you and new firmware is coming in ca. XXX". So they are doing themselves a disservice if you ask me.

On that note, they did email me back twice. The last email got kinda ignored but I'm pretty sure that they KNOW the problems at this point. Hoping that a new firmware isn't far off.

Im kinda done bitching about it. Just gonna improvise around the flaws and make some music! Cheers...



bimbom wrote:
i sent them a long email last week , will see how things go.
hopefully they dont 'send the boys round' to sort me out.

ive been lazy recently and just do everything at 120 bpm (easy to edit in audacity , split up on digitakt / octatrack etc).. i dont have to work out silly numbers.

summary - i use the built in sequencer on its own and sample/edit elsewhere , avoiding the need to sync and midi trigger.
or trigger from digitakt on its own , avoiding the need for sync and with ability to edit quickly,
again...no one ever said anything about "thick skin" here in regards to Malekko. Solely my observation as to why some companies MAY not be here. Has absolutely nothing to do with why Malekko isnt. I have learned my lesson and will never give my personal opinion again as people run with it. I thought I was clear, my bad. Im sorry.

As soon as I get a release date for the new firmware I will post here and there will be someone in the future to deal with Muffwiggler questions. I still say contacting them directly is your best bet.
rico loverde
sonicmayhem wrote:
"We hear you and new firmware is coming in ca. XXX".
pretty sure I did that. If you missed it a page or two back here it is again.

Malekko is aware of issues with the Manther and in the process of fixing known bugs. This will be an awesome update. I will post a date as soon as I get one
djx
rico loverde wrote:
Malekko is aware of issues with the Manther and in the process of fixing known bugs. This will be an awesome update. I will post a date as soon as I get one

Thanks Rico. I thought you made that pretty clear the first couple of times, but repetition never hurts. I really appreciate you taking the time to drop in.
sonicmayhem
Rico

FYI My posts had nothing to do with your observation whatsoever. I was speaking for just myself and my own views and experience.

thanks


rico loverde wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
"We hear you and new firmware is coming in ca. XXX".
pretty sure I did that. If you missed it a page or two back here it is again.

Malekko is aware of issues with the Manther and in the process of fixing known bugs. This will be an awesome update. I will post a date as soon as I get one
bimbom
me again. sorry - i think this must be user error.. i'm genuinely not very experienced with cv,gate and crazy eurorack walls of flashy lights , but this is quite simple.....here goes.

i had some notes on the internal sequencer but decided to try sequencing it from circuit mono station via cv/gate .

so i removed the steps (clicked on them so the lights were not lit), set clock to 'ana'
i added some steps/notes on the circuit , using mod seq (all other have no notes on them ) , cv , gate out and clock out. Mod seq is the specified sequencer to be sent to cv (theres an option to change it between the 3 sequencers).

pressing play on circuit triggers the manther to also start it's sequencer (if start is lit) .
the circuit sequence is just playing c3 which can be heard on the manther (note , the mini keyboard doesnt do anything as i think it only works on internal sequencer notes)

when the sequencer on manther shows the light on the steps on the 'empty' steps on the manther it plays the old notes and indicates them by flashing the relevant note on the little keyboard.

there are no steps lit on the manther. there are no gate, delay , probability etc etc on any of the steps. its just 16 steps long playing forward.
****actually - it seems to play the ghost notes even when the internal sequencer is not visibly running (light moving across the steps) - whether sequence start/stop is lit or not.

so possibly theres an issue with external gate triggering notes that dont exist ?.

minor thing, i also had aux cv with lfo going to it , into manther filter , it didnt seem to do much no matter where the slider was and it wasnt lit (or locked / anything).. i'll look at it later.
and as mentioned before , tuning changes a little when plugging in cv lead though i'll get a tuner out and maybe its the circuit.

I'll forward this to malekko too , but would be interested in any tips as i couldnt see anything obvious. i'm not pretending to be an idiot when it comes to eurorack , its very possibly something I'm doing though it doesn't seem to do what i expected

thanks everyone.
LostForWords
bimbom wrote:
me again. sorry - i think this must be user error.. i'm genuinely not very experienced with cv,gate and crazy eurorack walls of flashy lights , but this is quite simple.....here goes.

i had some notes on the internal sequencer but decided to try sequencing it from circuit mono station via cv/gate .

so i removed the steps (clicked on them so the lights were not lit), set clock to 'ana'
i added some steps/notes on the circuit , using mod seq (all other have no notes on them ) , cv , gate out and clock out. Mod seq is the specified sequencer to be sent to cv (theres an option to change it between the 3 sequencers).

pressing play on circuit triggers the manther to also start it's sequencer (if start is lit) .
the circuit sequence is just playing c3 which can be heard on the manther (note , the mini keyboard doesnt do anything as i think it only works on internal sequencer notes)

when the sequencer on manther shows the light on the steps on the 'empty' steps on the manther it plays the old notes and indicates them by flashing the relevant note on the little keyboard.

there are no steps lit on the manther. there are no gate, delay , probability etc etc on any of the steps. its just 16 steps long playing forward.
****actually - it seems to play the ghost notes even when the internal sequencer is not visibly running (light moving across the steps) - whether sequence start/stop is lit or not.

so possibly theres an issue with external gate triggering notes that dont exist ?.

minor thing, i also had aux cv with lfo going to it , into manther filter , it didnt seem to do much no matter where the slider was and it wasnt lit (or locked / anything).. i'll look at it later.
and as mentioned before , tuning changes a little when plugging in cv lead though i'll get a tuner out and maybe its the circuit.

I'll forward this to malekko too , but would be interested in any tips as i couldnt see anything obvious. i'm not pretending to be an idiot when it comes to eurorack , its very possibly something I'm doing though it doesn't seem to do what i expected

thanks everyone.


If you're sequencing from the Circuit then you shouldn't change clock to ANA as you don't want to use the Manther's sequencer in this instance. Change it back to internal (and don't send clock CV from the Circuit) and then it won't start when you send anything from the external synth. You basically need to the clock running on the Circuit for it's internal sequence and for the Manther to receive note information but no clock. It could be that the way you've done it the note info received is clashing with the Manther's internal 'muted' notes. Also Malekko have said they're working on a firmware update and I've found a few bugs in mine so there could be improvements to come.
bimbom
I’ll try with no clock etc , though I thought it might be needed for the lfo ‘ delay to be synced .

This new firmware might need to perform miracles.ive actually put mine up for sale but I may keep it , depends how I feel if someone wants it.
LostForWords
bimbom wrote:
I’ll try with no clock etc , though I thought it might be needed for the lfo ‘ delay to be synced .

This new firmware might need to perform miracles.ive actually put mine up for sale but I may keep it , depends how I feel if someone wants it.


It's own sequencer is amazing (Elektron style trigs with song mode!). It's a great sounding synth. Having a lot of fun with mine but it has a few teething problems like most new products. Don't give up on it too quickly ;-)
bimbom
ive sold mine , in the end i just felt that within a short time of using it each day another bug appeared or an old one reappeared , no sign of any update and don't want to keep coming here and complaining , its wasting my time and yours.

good luck with the firmware , I'll continue on my quest for a good modern sh101 / 202 type thing.

it's certainly not a unique synth to have bugs when its first released but i think i've been burnt too often recently and if its not an instant fit , I'm quite happy to move on (as i also did with behringer neutron which is a nice little box , just not what i was looking for)

I've sent a long email of the issues i found to melekko , they may be quite relieved that i've 'gone' . given time I'm sure they'll fix it , some of the work flow were choices i wasn't very keen on and not 'wrong' , I'm set in my ways .

i liked ..
the potential of the parameter sequencing.
101 / 202 sound with wavefolder . i got some nice blippy drum patterns out of it.
sharp bright screen , small but usable form factor (sliders were ok size).

I'll keep an eye on how things progress and maybe I'll grab another one at some point.
messier35
I pre-orderd one, sounds to good to pass it , i am sure malekko will fix bugs. Can't wait to play it
SonicRevolutions
I could really use that update... Want to add the Manther to my live set but the crashing and not playing the actual sequence when I hit play has the box collecting dust instead of doing what it's supposed to do... Very unsatisfying sad banana
Trigga
I've been reading this whole thread and it seems the enthusiasm and anticipation from the start have vanished. Too many problems featured. And many seem to be selling, on ebay someone sold for just 430 Euros ...

Still, this synth seems to me the best return to the raw energy of the MC 202 of which I once was a proud owner. And the sequencer features sound very welcoming in theory... So I'm still lookin to buy a Manther hoping that there will be a future update ...
Panason
I don't think anyone should buy it until at least the sync bugs have been fixed... Malekko simply should not have released it in this state without warning people that the machine is an unfinished project.

Yeah, there are some "shoulds" there...
sonicmayhem
The first 2 emails MH seems responsive. The last few emails asking for a possible release date on the firmware update have been ignored.

They aren't responding to Twitter either. They are not on Muff. It's really hard to understand their business model. The fine folks on here are EXACTLY their customer base. Someone mentioned rude customers as the reason for them leaving Muff and I get that its annoying having to deal with never satisfying customers however the majority I think are just normal folks. So to not have at least someone check in once in a while to reassure people reg updates, is not very professional.

That said, I will not sell my unit. I will just deal with it as is. Hopefully in a few weeks we won't have to moan and bitch anymore.... very frustrating very frustrating
Trigga
What I'm also really wondering why none of the gear blogs or influencers write about these problems. It's just in this forum where it's at...
Haterade
I would imagine reviewers are waiting on that firmware update before they cast judgement. Otherwise they'd just be critically obliterating what is -- I imagine, at least -- a super costly project by an indie company.

Def. not hard to find out about the bugs/issues as they're all over forums like this and Elektronauts.

I hope this thing gets tuned up! Was excited to see a piece of gear that could get severe/out-there in way that isn't typical of desktop devices.
bimbom
.. perhaps why it should get reviewed...
people buying them , getting it home.. disappointment (not total , it does have some nice things).

i saw a review of the Uno today , it mentioned the calibration sound issue which i think they've already fixed , so some reviews can be more honest about things. unfortunately i doubt an update would get the exposure , the update came out quickly but obviously reviews take time to write / publish/print/get in the stores.

i'm not keen for any company to close down, i am keen for gear to be finished / have the key elements of the device solid - groovebox ? timing , sequencer functionality .... drum machine sampler with external midi sequencing ??? ... , Actual midi sequencing for more than a few notes .

I'm more than happy to see updated reviews showing how things have been addressed too.
so its probably best i dont start a youtube channel .
LostForWords
I'm definitely keeping my Manther and know that it will only improve but compared to some buggy products I've bought it's actually very usable now. It's a great sequencer. I haven't noticed the playing-the-wrong-notes bug mentioned somewhere above.

I've noticed a few other bugs which I forget now so must make a note and send them in. Also have a few wish-list items to send them. I want to be able to hit save or shift-save to save the current sequence to the same slot without having to look at what patch I'm in and then hit the bank and patch buttons again where there's the possibility of hitting the wrong combo and overwriting something else. Also would like a "manual" button like on the Boutiques to use the current sliders and knobs for the sound.

One thought on the Mr D which I'm keen to hear...if they're releasing it soon it's going to be competing with the Behringer RD808 (released 9 Sept I think) which is reported to be priced around $400 and has more sounds. Will be interesting to see how they release it.
gentle_attack
I don't think the Mr D really competes with a Behringer 808 in features or customer base. It would be senseless to rush it to market with the current feedback on the Manther, if that's what you're suggesting.

An analog 808 is what it is, compared to like a Volca or Rhytm Wolf, yeah people are going to like it. If you have a RYTM or layer sounds on MPCs or any of the million sophisticated drum/ percussion techniques that are used out there, its not going to reinvent the wheel.

The Mr D looks way more interesting to me, but I am not the average GearSlut or r/synthesizers user.
KoryB
Any updates on the BFF???
Panason
Basically Fuckin' Fucked Dead Banana
sonicmayhem
No updates as of yet. They are basically using social media exactly the opposite of its purpose. Staying quiet and not saying anything doesn't help. We all want this device to be the kickass sequencer it could be. So I'm not giving up just yet. Unless I see an update for Manther soon, I will not be purchasing anything from MH again.
sonicmayhem
Haterade wrote:
I would imagine reviewers are waiting on that firmware update before they cast judgement. Otherwise they'd just be critically obliterating what is -- I imagine, at least -- a super costly project by an indie company.

Def. not hard to find out about the bugs/issues as they're all over forums like this and Elektronauts.

I hope this thing gets tuned up! Was excited to see a piece of gear that could get severe/out-there in way that isn't typical of desktop devices.


If consumers can buy the unit the way it is right now, it should get reviewed for what it is right now. Example , Divdkid never posted his in-depth look at Manther. I wonder why now. Because had I watched it and found out that you can't transpose a sequences on the fly, I would have never purchased it. Yeah. 100%.
Nutritional Zero
lol there’s so much Ignore List in this thread I can’t really tell what’s going on anymore.
sonicmayhem
Nutritional Zero wrote:
lol there’s so much Ignore List in this thread I can’t really tell what’s going on anymore.


huh? We are waiting to hear from MH for a firmware update. Is that clearing things up?
Nutritional Zero
I can’t read what you’re writing but yes I do like cats, thanks for asking!
KoryB
Panason wrote:
Basically Fuckin' Fucked Dead Banana
hihi
sonicmayhem
Nutritional Zero wrote:
I can’t read what you’re writing but yes I do like cats, thanks for asking!



thumbs up
bimbom
i asked divikid about the manther review via sonic state chat room (i didnt meet him or anything) ... , he said he'd been busy doing a lot of other stuff , which i do believe as his page is full of things / doing leeds synth event etc.

i had been wondering why the delay in a review , getting a little suspicious , not sure I'd want him reviewing something in the current state , and to record a review with the result i expect wouldn't benefit anyone. but i don't want to imply this is why he hasn't done a review , he's very knowledgeable and i do expect a balanced review if he gets one done.

i don't think any credible youtube person who looks at gear could review this device and not mention the issues , but doing a product overview can be useful as it wouldn't go into 'this is broken' territory.
if someone mentions the issues are being worked on in an upcoming firmware , i'd still wait till the firmware is released or buy knowing fully what the issues are and be willing to deal with them ..

this is partly why i've become suspicious of reviews / product presentations ... started when i bought digitakt and saw the 'reviews' and none of them mentioned the issues which were very obvious.unfortunately the difference between most reviews and the actual product are only obvious if I already have the device.

I've posted a lot in this thread recently too , partly as i wasnt aware of the issues when i bought mine , so i thought it might be a good resource to share my experience...
i suspect theyre working on the firmware and put aside the other designs until this is sorted , presumably a lot of the tech is shared amongst their other 'groovebox' devices.
Panason
I don't fully trust any Youtube channels or even Sound On Sound reviews anymore. It's forums all the way. SonicState is OK but sometimes they don't catch some issues .

Quote:
digitakt and saw the 'reviews' and none of them mentioned the issues which were very obvious


Elektron clearly have a very cunning marketing team and have used Youtube to great effect.
bimbom
exactly why i'm always cautious on the terms often used , presentation / review / overview / hands on....

in my opinion , a 'review' should have pros , cons , issues , what it does well , they take a while to make and do properly... and even then may not clearly cover issues clearly.

a product presentation , often with someone from the company or possibly a freebie from a company for a day 1 youtube vid , is an advert. I liked watching sonic state and cenk go through digitakt videos , but they're adverts , no problem with that , i watch with caution with what is missing .
With nick going through a device on his own, looking through waveforms and stuff like that , feels like a respectable review but even then very few bug issues crop up , its often functional / preferences which are discussed.

an individual going over the functionality of a device is an overview/presentation , that new medusa vid that popped up today is good , it mentioned a few issues and features he personally thought were missing .

forums can often give an overblown idea of issues , and i'm guilty of adding to that, but yup , best to dig around a bit to find proper issues.
a bit of honesty and transparency helps a great deal.

and magazines have tight deadlines , set page space , advertising to fill , and their future to think of , if any were 100 honest and not influenced by market forces , there would certainly be less 70/80 reviews (non commital its not great but not good type reviews)
and if i were buying a £3k synth that wasn't incredible with zero issues it'd probably start with a 7 and go downwards very quickly.

i havent done a product review , written or youtube , i dont think theyre easy , its very hard to do anything well .. much easier to waffle on a forum.
Dubskanker
I was watching a video on the Manther and I don't see a trigger input. Can the clock input be used like a trigger input, advancing the sequencer every time a voltage or clock signal is introduced?
sonicmayhem
No reply again on Twitter either. I kinda give up. Will return my unit to Perfect Circuit this week. Good game Malekko.
geoffmar
rip

bought mine on here on a whim after seeing the product presentation...sort of disappointed. can't return and looking like ill take ahuge hit on it :((
Nutritional Zero
I know I was cheerleading in this thread for a while but secretly I’ve been worried so I’ve had mine listed for over a week and I keep dropping the price with no bites.

I’m just hoping I can get a little cash back and move on.
SonicRevolutions
Any of you experiencing crashes? Mine crashes all the time (ok 3 out of 10) on start and stop messages coming from Live 10.

Is it my unit or are you guys having the same issues??
sonicmayhem
Can you guys do everyone a favor and email Malekko nicely asking about if or when a firmware update will be happening?

info@malekkoheavyindustry.com

They don't respond to any of their social media accounts when ask about Manther updates. Maybe if we all nicely nudge them a bit they will let us know....

thanks!
SonicRevolutions
I did a couple of days ago but no answer. Didn't receive anything from the last two issues I reported three weeks ago. Today's message via their site about the crashes will probably be ignored too... very frustrating
sonicmayhem
SonicRevolutions wrote:
I did a couple of days ago but no answer. Didn't receive anything from the last two issues I reported three weeks ago. Today's message via their site about the crashes will probably be ignored too... very frustrating


Maybe if more people email them they will get the picture. I just want them to communicate. I feel almost like I'm bothering them after having sent 4-5 emails and tweeting 2-3 times. Don't wanna be THAT guy but they really give their customers no choices. I have put all MH purchases on hold until I see how they resolve Manther.
bimbom
I mailed them a few times, never got any reply.
I posted a review on their website , its not on there.
Sent a longer list of bugs , suggestions , ideas , nothing.

I even started wondering why there was no CE mark on the case , even looked it up online , ...
i only drop by to see how things are progressing, i cant see sync/many issues being unfixable , unfortunately there’s not much happening.
geoffmar
my unit doesn't crash..

tbh the unit sounds great but the envelope issue is really hampering how much I use it -

I should have just gotten an SH01A for half the price
Dubskanker
I emailed Malekko a question about the Manther a couple days ago and haven't received a response. So to anyone else saying the best way to reach them is through the website, that is incorrect. If they ignore emails and social media, then I guess the next step is messenger pigeon. Good thing I came across this forum before I actually bought one. $650 is a lot of money to shell out for an unfinished product.
sonicmayhem
geoffmar wrote:
my unit doesn't crash..

tbh the unit sounds great but the envelope issue is really hampering how much I use it -

I should have just gotten an SH01A for half the price



So im not the only one thinking I'm crazy? Whats up with the envelopes?

Well to be fair, they did respond a few weeks back when I first emailed them. It was Paul who emailed back saying "there will be a firmware update soon". I posted this somewhere earlier in the thread. Maybe they are now just busy getting that update ready, I dunno.
stikygum
Fyi, Paul is on tour with his band so Malekko during the month of Sept will be short staffed.
messier35
lot of negativity here, my unit is on its way, hope you are at least half wrong.I feel stupid for ordering it, but it sounds so good, and there are more positive opinions about it also, so let see. I don't know the community here and don't know the malekko guys, but it seams to me they are maybe a little bit eccentric , at least the manther sounds so, so i don't expect them to have good costumer service , but i do hope manther will and up usable even before this firmware upgrade hihi
SonicRevolutions
stikygum wrote:
Fyi, Paul is on tour with his band so Malekko during the month of Sept will be short staffed.


Well let’s hope Malekko’s software developer is not Paul or the bands drummer cause this is getting kinda ridiculous...
sonicmayhem
stikygum wrote:
Fyi, Paul is on tour with his band so Malekko during the month of Sept will be short staffed.


Give me a fucking break. Sorry for the language but for real. Time to move on...ridiculous.
anselmi
stikygum wrote:
Fyi, Paul is on tour with his band so Malekko during the month of Sept will be short staffed.



lolspew
Futuresound
Sounds like a clusterfuck, and I feel for everyone affected, but this is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a while:

stikygum wrote:
Fyi, Paul is on tour with his band so Malekko during the month of Sept will be short staffed.
Panason
The band is testing the new firmware! screaming goo yo
kay_k
I bought the machine knowing the firmware isn't really finished.
I had a few hangs and one crash so far, nothing bad.
I wrote them a lengthy email with a huge amount of software wishes, but actually there is just one I need to be happy with the machine (sliding notes w/o retrigger that is)

I don't know why people are getting THAT mad really. The last time I bought something brand new that did not have issues with it's firmware V1.0 .. well I can't remember - probably never
oldgearguy
new owner here. Decided to take a chance on it. As far as I can tell, I'm now the 3rd owner of this particular unit, so that doesn't bode well, but you never know.

Some initial observations - clearing all the modulations (Rec + Clear) doesn't seem to actually clear them all and a manual Clear + move slider/switch seems to work best.

The reason for mentioning this is that even though it *looked* like I was in pure manual mode I was still getting modulation on the square wave, so I cleared each thing manually and it was all better.

Onto real stuff - the overall output level is fairly weak which doesn't help your first impression of it.

Calibration is an issue. Inside, there's only a single trimpot and you can use that to tune a base note, but that only helps a little bit. The scaling is all over the place (this is all using the internal keyboard, no MIDI, no cv yet) and its enough out of whack at the higher and lower ends of the range to be annoying.

The Suboscillator can be tuned to match the main oscillator (and you have to do this since 0 cents on the Sub in the menu is not in tune, at least on my unit).

The Sine waveform of the Sub and the base Triangle waveform of the main oscillator look filtered already (and the saw does to an extent as well) as if the filter isn't all the way open even if the slider is all the way up (more calibration issues?) and as you might guess by now, key tracking of the filter is not even close.

On the plus side, once I boosted the level and tuned the Sub to match the main, it sounded much better and the delay is a lot of fun to play around with, especially at extreme settings.

I'll ping Malekko about calibration routines (assume it's via software somehow), but I'm not holding out a lot of hope on a quick response.
Panason
I already saw one on ebay. waah
bimbom
i got mine 2nd hand (although it was basically unused) , there are a lot around , , selling much lower the the £550 in the stores if you are lucky , i think a recent one on ebay for £370 , but i think thats a lucky deal for someone (often depends on the time of day an auction might end )

if the firmware fixes things i expect it'll become more stable price wise.
right now , i think people are buying because they're cheaper than new , theyre a new box with the promise of a modern 101 from a respected modular company ..

to be balanced for a little moment , i've been lucky and got a few good deals on new hardware lately (sp404 , circuit mono station , pioneer sp16) , i think theres a lot of options in the 2nd hand market , people more willing to sell things on if theyre not an instant fit , I did that with my behringer neutron ... it was practically unused and i got pretty much what i paid .. me / the buyer both happy.
sonicmayhem
I still cannot believe that there is no firmware as of yet. Some of the issues should be an easy fix via software (like Transpose sequence...maybe SHIFT and the note?). Im all for supporting smaller sized companies and I will not be selling my unit. But I find their lack of communication problematic and will currently not purchase anymore MH products until they fixed the problems.
kay_k
oldgearguy wrote:
new owner here. Decided to take a chance on it. As far as I can tell, I'm now the 3rd owner of this particular unit, so that doesn't bode well, but you never know.

Some initial observations - clearing all the modulations (Rec + Clear) doesn't seem to actually clear them all and a manual Clear + move slider/switch seems to work best.

The reason for mentioning this is that even though it *looked* like I was in pure manual mode I was still getting modulation on the square wave, so I cleared each thing manually and it was all better.

Onto real stuff - the overall output level is fairly weak which doesn't help your first impression of it.

Calibration is an issue. Inside, there's only a single trimpot and you can use that to tune a base note, but that only helps a little bit. The scaling is all over the place (this is all using the internal keyboard, no MIDI, no cv yet) and its enough out of whack at the higher and lower ends of the range to be annoying.

The Suboscillator can be tuned to match the main oscillator (and you have to do this since 0 cents on the Sub in the menu is not in tune, at least on my unit).

The Sine waveform of the Sub and the base Triangle waveform of the main oscillator look filtered already (and the saw does to an extent as well) as if the filter isn't all the way open even if the slider is all the way up (more calibration issues?) and as you might guess by now, key tracking of the filter is not even close.

On the plus side, once I boosted the level and tuned the Sub to match the main, it sounded much better and the delay is a lot of fun to play around with, especially at extreme settings.

I'll ping Malekko about calibration routines (assume it's via software somehow), but I'm not holding out a lot of hope on a quick response.


My unit is about 6 cent off in the highest octave of the internal keyboard (lowest VCO register) and pretty accurate in all the other octaves. Using the 2' register I am getting stronger deviations (up to 25 cents). I'd argue that this is absolutely ok.
One thing I noticed is that when you switch it on it is accurate, after a while it drifts when getting warmer. So I just power cycled it again for the self tuning and then it is all good. (Maybe that is something that could be a menu item: tuning)
My Sub oscillator is depending on the footnote up to 10 cents off, which again I think is quite good.

The key tracking accuracy of the filter was never something I was looking for in this device anyway, but you are right. It is hard to have a 1:1 tracking. For me the fader has to be in about 60% up position to get a 2x frequency with each octave. As I said before .. I couldn't care less.
oldgearguy
Just an update for those of you playing at home -

I did contact Malekko customer support and after some discussion and running a few tests for them, it has been determined that my unit is defective in some way and that's why it can't be tuned/stay in tune.

So I had a choice (being the 3rd owner in the span of about 3 months) - sell it off to someone else or send it back to Portland for review/repair/replacement.

I decided I couldn't stick someone with the unit as-is, so now it's on it's way back to Oregon. At this point I'm out my purchase price plus another $30 for packing and shipping.

I'm also pissed that such a new unit with a serial number in the low 20's was able to leave their QA department without being able to be tuned.

I'm also surprised/dismayed that both of the previous owners couldn't determine that the unit wasn't tracking at all. Or, if I was being very cynical, I'd say they both figured it out and decided to just pass the problem along.

Basic symptoms - power on, nothing attached (no MIDI, no cv/gate), press the 'C' key with not transpose, tuner shows C4 flat by some cents. Since there's no master tune control, you, ummm, wait for it to warm up and try again. Still flat. Press the transpose down key twice, tuner shows C2 very flat. Press transpose up twice to get back, press the 'C' key gaina and now see C4 reading sharp. Transpose up a couple, rinse, repeat - never in tune, never tracking the same. Tried to do their factory calibration routine, unit would never settle on an offset per octave.

Now I have to wait 2 - 3 weeks to see what's up. (takes a week plus to get from east coast to Oregon and then another week plus to get back. They promise 1 day turnaround; we'll see).

I hope they find some hardware defect causing the tuning issues since the synth is a 3340-based VCO under computer control. You'd think the main problem would be that it was too precise. Having a single trimpot inside and no master tune on the panel (or menu) means the OS has to monitor and tune the single oscillator across a few octaves. Since I can get my SEMs and MiniMoog to easily track 5 octaves with no computer and the JP-8 is in tune across the entire available range, this single VCO should be able to track.
sonicmayhem
oldgearguy wrote:
Just an update for those of you playing at home -

I did contact Malekko customer support and after some discussion and running a few tests for them, it has been determined that my unit is defective in some way and that's why it can't be tuned/stay in tune.

So I had a choice (being the 3rd owner in the span of about 3 months) - sell it off to someone else or send it back to Portland for review/repair/replacement.

I decided I couldn't stick someone with the unit as-is, so now it's on it's way back to Oregon. At this point I'm out my purchase price plus another $30 for packing and shipping.

I'm also pissed that such a new unit with a serial number in the low 20's was able to leave their QA department without being able to be tuned.

I'm also surprised/dismayed that both of the previous owners couldn't determine that the unit wasn't tracking at all. Or, if I was being very cynical, I'd say they both figured it out and decided to just pass the problem along.

Basic symptoms - power on, nothing attached (no MIDI, no cv/gate), press the 'C' key with not transpose, tuner shows C4 flat by some cents. Since there's no master tune control, you, ummm, wait for it to warm up and try again. Still flat. Press the transpose down key twice, tuner shows C2 very flat. Press transpose up twice to get back, press the 'C' key gaina and now see C4 reading sharp. Transpose up a couple, rinse, repeat - never in tune, never tracking the same. Tried to do their factory calibration routine, unit would never settle on an offset per octave.

Now I have to wait 2 - 3 weeks to see what's up. (takes a week plus to get from east coast to Oregon and then another week plus to get back. They promise 1 day turnaround; we'll see).

I hope they find some hardware defect causing the tuning issues since the synth is a 3340-based VCO under computer control. You'd think the main problem would be that it was too precise. Having a single trimpot inside and no master tune on the panel (or menu) means the OS has to monitor and tune the single oscillator across a few octaves. Since I can get my SEMs and MiniMoog to easily track 5 octaves with no computer and the JP-8 is in tune across the entire available range, this single VCO should be able to track.



Same here. I thought I was just going crazy but my unit is off too. Like I said, no more MH products until they fix this.
bimbom
At least they’ve responded.
I never tried mine with a tuner.
oldgearguy
bimbom wrote:
At least they’ve responded.
I never tried mine with a tuner.


Normally I don't either, but the sub+ main sounded off and then I was playing it in tandem with the MiniMoog and it sounded off up and down the octaves, so then I stopped playing and started testing.
bimbom
oldgearguy wrote:
bimbom wrote:
At least they’ve responded.
I never tried mine with a tuner.


Normally I don't either, but the sub+ main sounded off and then I was playing it in tandem with the MiniMoog and it sounded off up and down the octaves, so then I stopped playing and started testing.


I think that’s the main issue I had , I’d be using it a little , come across something weird and then start testing it instead of using it . It’s frustrating.
So I sold it .
icosa
Mine tracks pretty well through the range of octaves. Really enjoying the sound. Getting some crazy percussive stuff out of pushing the filter into self resonance and then adding the wave folder after the filter. SlayerBadger! Took me a while to get used to setting gate time, accent and turning off steps to get ties and what not. Now that I feel comfortable with the sequencer I'm getting a lot more out of it.

They really need to patch the sync issues. It's not a show stopper for me but annoyance for sure. And I agree transposing via MIDI would be excellent.
kay_k
icosa wrote:
Getting some crazy percussive stuff out of pushing the filter into self resonance and then adding the wave folder after the filter.


ha, just did a track that way.
sonicmayhem
icosa wrote:
Mine tracks pretty well through the range of octaves. Really enjoying the sound. Getting some crazy percussive stuff out of pushing the filter into self resonance and then adding the wave folder after the filter. SlayerBadger! Took me a while to get used to setting gate time, accent and turning off steps to get ties and what not. Now that I feel comfortable with the sequencer I'm getting a lot more out of it.

They really need to patch the sync issues. It's not a show stopper for me but annoyance for sure. And I agree transposing via MIDI would be excellent.


Transposing via midi somewhat works. However since its supposed to be a standalone sequencer id like to be able to transpose any sequence with just Manther. I suggested: "Shift+whatever note you select on the mini keyboard". its really really a basic seq function. not asking for a miracle here.
anselmi
how is Paul doing with his tour? hihi
bimbom
their instagram feed has had some updates recently.
sonicmayhem
anselmi wrote:
how is Paul doing with his tour? hihi


I found it still so ridiculous to just let customer sit with this unfinished piece of hardware. The constant excuse "We are a small small company" is really getting old. If you're that small, dont release a product that needs customer service. Stick with simple modules. MEH
geoffmar
sold mine and got an SH-01a

really happy with it
ignatius
bimbom wrote:
their instagram feed has had some updates recently.


ben davis posted this today

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoAcGZdgtI5/?taken-by=bendedavis
sonicmayhem
ignatius wrote:
bimbom wrote:
their instagram feed has had some updates recently.


ben davis posted this today

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoAcGZdgtI5/?taken-by=bendedavis



sweet, Finally. Looks like they went with my suggestion to Shift+any note for transpose. Rad!
bimbom
Looks like
shift : transpose up/down for octave
Shift note to alter root note of sequence.
Like many other devices. Which is good, it’s not worth reinventing the wheel

I won’t be buying a new one .. I hope they fix more than that , but at least the update is real.
sonicmayhem
Waiting and waiting. Come on MH.
gruebleengourd
Any word on the wavetable Malekko box?
Panason
Have you read the last few pages of this thread? Unless they somehow manage to fix the Manther fiasco I doubt many will be buying any more desktop boxes from them.
kay_k
Panason wrote:
Have you read the last few pages of this thread? Unless they somehow manage to fix the Manther fiasco I doubt many will be buying any more desktop boxes from them.


dunno .. I think mine is fine, some feature updates and bugfixes in the next firmware and I am a happy customer. I wouldn't call it a fiasco or trash the company for very few slips in QA or a bug or two.
Nutritional Zero
So despite my Manther colllecting dust I ventured a little further into the Malekko gestalt because I needed a small eurorack sequencer. Varigate 4+ had a good features vs price comparison so I went with it.

Verdict. Pros: good product quality compared to marketing promises, feature to price ratio is more than fair, does what it says, no problems or issues with product as such. Cons: terrible UX, really brutal to use, willfully retrograde approach to almost everything. I just use it as my “whack the sliders around and hope” sequencer, which is neither a pro or a con.

Exploring this other product has helped me understand Malekko’s philosophy a bit better. Ultimately I feel the “LED sliders” thing is a foundational mistake which, unfortunately, cannot be recovered from. The resolution of the slider, the bizarre visual feedback, the lack of ability to assess a setting’s current value at a glance. Some of these are tradeoffs which need to be made for space, others seriously limit Malekko’s ability to compete in the hybrid space.

And seriously... sticky rubber feet? Am I an $800 IKEA lamp?

No thanks.
stikygum
I agree. I've actually been using the Manther by itself and I am having fun with it. I think things are being blown out of proportion by the complaints.

Is the Manther syncing to external gear/sequencers properly or is that an issue?
stikygum
Nutritional Zero wrote:
So despite my Manther colllecting dust I ventured a little further into the Malekko gestalt because I needed a small eurorack sequencer. Varigate 4+ had a good features vs price comparison so I went with it.

Verdict. Pros: good product quality compared to marketing promises, feature to price ratio is more than fair, does what it says, no problems or issues with product as such. Cons: terrible UX, really brutal to use, willfully retrograde approach to almost everything. I just use it as my “whack the sliders around and hope” sequencer, which is neither a pro or a con.

Exploring this other product has helped me understand Malekko’s philosophy a bit better. Ultimately I feel the “LED sliders” thing is a foundational mistake which, unfortunately, cannot be recovered from. The resolution of the slider, the bizarre visual feedback, the lack of ability to assess a setting’s current value at a glance. Some of these are tradeoffs which need to be made for space, others seriously limit Malekko’s ability to compete in the hybrid space.

And seriously... sticky rubber feet? Am I an $800 IKEA lamp?

No thanks.


Whoa, that's quite a rant. I feel like I could say the exact opposite about everything you listed. I don't have any problems with issues you mention. But I know we all have things we look for and don't like to deal with, so I understand you.

To me, UI is fine. There's not even a lot in the menus. I rather have the slider LEDs than not. Visual feedback is different but cool imho. I like being able to see what parameter's I have sequenced by looking at the LEDs. The great thing is you can touch that parameter again to delete the automation for it. Pretty slick. Let's be real, this is a Roland Boutique form factor. You can't have everything. I think Malekko did a good job with this form factor.
tarmoog
I had Varigate4+ and it was by far my favorite sequencer module I have ever had... but it totally drive me nuts because there was no visual feedback to quickly check what settings current pattern have. So I sold it and wont be getting another malekko sequncer until there is a version with screen installed to give visual feedback.

Malekko grooveboxes have screen installed, and tbh I have very high hopes for Mr. D. But same time I wish Malekko would just release Varigate/Voltage block hybrid module with oled screen on it.
bimbom
From what I remember , the values are only displayed for bank1 values (steps 1 to 16)
Anything longer and the values are wrong on screen.

I mailed this to malekko a while ago l , should be easy to fix I’d guess.
I also noticed the sliders, if moved too quickly , wouldn’t register as zero ..

The snappy envelopes fix should help a lot , perhaps that contributed to the perceived latency I had when triggering notes , with no attack there was an audible delay in hearing the note trigger ,

I didn’t get any rubber feet with mine , not that it was a problem as there’s a 99p store nearby.
Panason
Quote:
willfully retrograde approach to almost everything


Just fuck that. Go big or go home.
oldgearguy
I bought one used to try out. It had severe tuning problems. Malekko support attempted to send me the calibration process but failed (or there were other things wrong with the unit). So I sent it out and 2+ weeks and $20 later it was back in my hands.

I wasn't having major sync/trigger issues since I was mainly driving it from an external cv/gate sequencer. In general it sounded pretty good. The wavefolding does add another dimension to the single oscillator sound and there was a decent amount of mod possibilities (internal routes plus external cv). I didn't mind the menuing so much since i wasn't regularly changing things in there.

My main concerns were the overall output level was way quieter than anything else I owned, the disconnect between the digitally tuned sub and the main analog VCO, and the fact that even with the filter wide open it was clear there was some filtering going on (simple to see/hear - compare the raw sawtooth or square outputs with the main output). Nothing major, but in the end I picked up an SH-101 and at that point the Manther was definitely excess, so it's onto the 4th owner now.
SonicRevolutions
Its out! https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/support/manther-updates-and-support/
SonicRevolutions
But they fixed like half of what's wrong with the damn thing.... d'oh!
LostForWords
Just WOW....in a really bad way very frustrating

1) Can't programme a sequence - edit - ignore this at is was my error hitting note+step instead of step+note

2) Transpose down octave destroys the sequence. Some notes get left in a different octave to the original sequence when moving around transpositions. Within a few changes you get a completely random sequence to the one programmed.

3) Some transposing doesn't work. Sometimes I could select the C (first note) and B but nothing else, sometimes no semitones changes worked, only octave changes. edit: shift+transpose up+note appears to works for semitones. shift+transpose DOWN + note does not!

4) I can deal with the Envelope Slow/Fast setting but I don't understand the LFO Slow/Fast setting. On Fast is starts at the bottom position where the slow setting ends up at the top of the range. So on fast you start of pretty fast and then go up to audio rate it seems. Perhaps useful for some FM type thing, I don't know. But I really wanted one slider that goes from very slow to very fast for nice vibrato/filter sweeps like on nearly any other synth. A normal range not a slow selection and a fast selection.

Is this just me? Interested to see that everyone else thinks before I write to Malekko.

How can I revert back, or should I return it to the shop?
LostForWords
Edit: ignore I found it : info@malekkoheavyindustry.com

Does anyone have an email address for Malekko? I have tried 3 times to submit a support ticket on their site while logged in and it just clears the form and nothing shows up on my tickets page.
SonicRevolutions
That's it I'm selling mine...

Sub oscillator still doesn't do glide or even respond to vco modulation.
Sequencer still doesn't play the actual sequence every time.
LostForWords
Transposing even changes the timing of the steps, just had a nice pattern going and it completely ruined it. Some kind of timing shift or quantizing happened.

Yep, going to return mine too or get Malekko to refund me directly as I'm outside the return window because I had trusted in them coming through with this update.
echologist
Wow.

Gonna update in the morning but this does not sound promising ☹️

confused
Panason
This is really sad. Both this and the Medusa have failed... but this seems worse and is more unfortunate since the raw sound engine here is good.

Malekko should go back to making simple modules or team up with people who can do the digital stuff... like Roland!
bimbom
Medusa has another firmware due with mpe and stuff.
They seem to have a quicker turnaround on updates.

I’d give it a few days to get a better idea of actual fixes or failings but based on my experience when I had one , and the fixes in the update , there is still a fair way to go both to fulfill the expectations of the device and improve their reputation of quality on this new device .
djx
So far I've read about 1 fail and 0 success updating to firmware 1.1
Are there any success stories out there? I'm not brave enough to try mine until I read at least one.
jameshenry
Crap, I thought this thing was going to be good. I just returned my Medusa, hoping this was going to be a lot better. I don't do any of the complex CV stuff. I am just wanting to have this setup as a slave, make sequences and change them on the fly? Can it at least do that?
djx
Yes. It can do that. I cant compare with the Medusa (never had one) but its fun to play with, easy to use and sounds pretty good (even more so when you run it through some fx). The features in 1.1 will improve it (in theory, since I have not yet upgraded).
jameshenry
Medusa in tone reminds me of my AS Leipzig. It's cool, has a lot of sonic variation, but some things make me wonder if they understand the workflow of a sequencer. Multiple buttons to do simple shit like delete notes. It's cool, but not $1200 cool. So back it goes.
icosa
I just installed it and so far it's been great. Snappy envelopes are a big plus. And the FM possibilities now with the faster LFO open up a lot of new ground. I didn't test transpose extensively but it was working fine for me. Also the sync type switching no longer requires a restart and Midi sync with Ableton seems pretty tight now. SlayerBadger!
Kodama
I was playing with an updated Manther yesterday and it transposed flawlessly.

I'm sure the transposition thing is just an unforeseen bug in certain circumstances that needs to be worked out. This project is is being developed by one person who is also engineering all of the Malekko mods, and is an amazing engineer, but please give them time, some encouragement, and good bug reports when something happens. They will keep making updates and fixes over time.

LostForWords wrote:

I can deal with the Envelope Slow/Fast setting but I don't understand the LFO Slow/Fast setting. On Fast is starts at the bottom position where the slow setting ends up at the top of the range. So on fast you start of pretty fast and then go up to audio rate it seems. Perhaps useful for some FM type thing, I don't know. But I really wanted one slider that goes from very slow to very fast for nice vibrato/filter sweeps like on nearly any other synth. A normal range not a slow selection and a fast selection.


^ This complaint makes no sense to me, you can't go from a very slow LFO to audio rate in one sweep unless you have some annoying 20-turn pot. No normal pot or slide pot has the resolution, you would end up with crazy jumps in speed with the slightest of adjustments.
Panason
Quote:
This project is is being developed by one person who is also engineering all of the Malekko mods, and is an amazing engineer, but please give them time, some encouragement, and good bug reports when something happens. They will keep making updates and fixes over time.


It doesn't matter if it's one guy in a shed or Yamaha.... The trend of releasing and selling products in the state Manther was released must be killed. Nobody buying a synth should have to follow the maker on Instagram (seriosuly?) waiting for fixes.

Unless the product is on a Kickstarter or similar, and/or it is sold with the clear proviso that it is in alpha/beta stage or whatever, so that those who want to support development can support, those who want something that works on day one can look elsewhere. It's about being honest and transparent with what you are selling, not relying on a quick buck from people with GAS.

If you must release unfinished, say so and charge a lower price for early adopters, sparing yourself the costs and hassle of returned units.
jameshenry
Panason wrote:
Quote:
This project is is being developed by one person who is also engineering all of the Malekko mods, and is an amazing engineer, but please give them time, some encouragement, and good bug reports when something happens. They will keep making updates and fixes over time.


It doesn't matter if it's one guy in a shed or Yamaha.... The trend of releasing and selling products in the state Manther was released must be killed. Nobody buying a synth should have to follow the maker on Instagram (seriosuly?) waiting for fixes.

Unless the product is on a Kickstarter or similar, and/or it is sold with the clear proviso that it is in alpha/beta stage or whatever, so that those who want to support development can support, those who want something that works on day one can look elsewhere. It's about being honest and transparent with what you are selling, not relying on a quick buck from people with GAS.

If you must release unfinished, say so and charge a lower price for early adopters, sparing yourself the costs and hassle of returned units.


W3RD!! I'm tired of this crap also.
UndercoverBrother
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.
Panason
Cool story, undercover bro!
UndercoverBrother
your wisest line on this thread
Kodama
Honestly, I will never understand Yelp culture. If the Manther brings you grief, sell it and move on with your life? seriously, i just don't get it Meanwhile, I'm sure more free updates will be coming out that will provide improvements for people who are ok with waiting for that.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/08/i-cant-stop-reading-the se-one-star-yelp-reviews-national-parks/
echologist
OK, so being jamming with the new update and I can honestly say I'm happy. This thing sounds amazing! Syncs perfectly...

Guinness ftw!
kay_k
Mine is already super in v1.0 I’ll install 1.1 when I’m back home and report back.

I can’t stand that bashing here really. It is absolutely exaggerated and hurts a small company. It is like two people here complaining none stop, imagine how that will look like to someone just checking this thread in deciding if he wants to buy that thing. V.1.0 wasn’t unusable and it really is a good sounding machine.
jameshenry
Well, I'm in we're not worthy
RickKleffel
Let's call this angst Gearenfreude and set it up in its own, "Glad I didn't buy THAT stupid thing!" thread.
jameshenry
Thanks! Your order was placed.
Guaranteed delivery: Thu, Oct 18

I wish they would have made Mr. D before that BFF synth angry
wavefold
UndercoverBrother wrote:
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.



a m e n
jameshenry
Well I spoke by PM to 3 people that own one and it can in fact do what I need it to, and has the tone I'm looking for. I realize I'm not in the "IN" click crowd on here with all the cork sniffers and ass kissers, but I'm glad I have one of these on order.
LostForWords
No-one else is getting their patterns corrupted with the new transpose feature? I’m getting step timing corruption and individual notes being left in the wrong octave after a few transpositions. Also it only works in semitones in one direction (higher) but only in octave steps going down in pitch.

I’ve installed the update twice now. No errors.

Regarding my earlier comment about the LFO I meant a “normal” range (as with most other synths) not super slow to super fast on one slider.
djx
Re: the corrupted patterns. Yes. I can reproduce that - but only from the note value perspective. Have not noticed any timing corruption. Both octave and semitone transpose working up and down correctly here too. I cant say what caused the note corruption either. Most of the time it works fine, then occasionally it doesn't. So I dont yet have steps to reproduce on demand.

I find the transpose in semitones workflow a bit odd too. Shift+transposeUp+c# goes up 1 semitone. If I release c# and keep shift+transposeUp depressed and click C I go _down_ 1 semitone. I think this is useful, and I'm calling it "absolute mode". But if I shift+transposeUp+c# to go up 1 semitone and release all keys. Now to go down 1 semitone I need shift+transposeDown+c#. And I'll call that "relative mode". I think for me, relative mode is going to confuse me every time. It forces me to consider how many semitones I want to move, then choose the right number on the keyboard.
kcearl
Mine is on 1.1, transposing fine, no pattern corruption so far and staying sync with a BSP using clock or Ableton Live with midi. Havent been through the rest of the update though.
gentle_attack
kay_k wrote:
I can’t stand that bashing here really. It is absolutely exaggerated and hurts a small company. It is like two people here complaining none stop, imagine how that will look like to someone just checking this thread

That is why Elektron "censors" their forum, it's usually the same 3 people/trolls complaining and bashing kit the ydon't even own (under multiple handles) whilst the people who RTFM and know what they are doing in general, are not griping on the forums but rather recording or playing out. There is a TON of bias on reddit and other forums of peopel who don't know what they are doing and/or are just trolls.

Lo and behold, the same gentleman (I use that loosely) who has been banned from Elektronauts multiple times (by his own admission) is in this thread slagging the Manther which he doesn't even own (probably has never even used).

It sounds like the Manther has some improvements due, and of course Elektron's specs/programming is not immaculate, but they are in business and if you would prefer to not have trolls shitting on your kit, I do not blame them for removing patently useless content.
kcearl
jameshenry wrote:
Medusa in tone reminds me of my AS Leipzig. It's cool, has a lot of sonic variation, but some things make me wonder if they understand the workflow of a sequencer. Multiple buttons to do simple shit like delete notes. It's cool, but not $1200 cool. So back it goes.


Thats why I ended up with the Manther. I love my erebus, but theres too much work to be done with the medusa to purchase it now at that pricepoint.
sonicmayhem
UndercoverBrother wrote:
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.


To be honest, who the hell are you to call others uneducated? Having a stand alone sequencer NOT being able to transpose, having shoddy sync etc are all major issues. How does that make me uneducated?

listen, I have worked on 35 plus video game scores, I'm a musician. Having a device that won't transpose made it unusable to me (even the keyboard attached transpose was not properly working either).

So please save me your "I'm talking with facts" bs comment when in reality most people posting owned the unit and had (have) valid critic.
Panason
It was that "uneducated" comment and this one:
kay_k wrote:

I can’t stand that bashing here really. It is absolutely exaggerated and hurts a small company. It is like two people here complaining none stop, imagine how that will look like to someone just checking this thread in deciding if he wants to buy that thing.

seriously, i just don't get it
Seems that some people think that this forum exists to promote products from small companies.... I think the thread looks as it should and calling people uneducated and implying that they are lying is desperate.

As far as I'm concerned independent gear forums exist so that people can inform each other of what works and what doesn't so people can make truly informed choices on how to spend their money, and help each other out. I don't use forums that contain advertising for this reason, because they cannot be trusted to remain independent.

Of course for some people 650 bucks is spare change and so these complaints here look petty and unnecessary to them.
kay_k
Panason wrote:
It was that "uneducated" comment and this one:
kay_k wrote:

I can’t stand that bashing here really. It is absolutely exaggerated and hurts a small company. It is like two people here complaining none stop, imagine how that will look like to someone just checking this thread in deciding if he wants to buy that thing.

seriously, i just don't get it
Seems that some people think that this forum exists to promote products from small companies.... I think the thread looks as it should and calling people uneducated and implying that they are lying is desperate.

As far as I'm concerned independent gear forums exist so that people can inform each other of what works and what doesn't so people can make truly informed choices on how to spend their money, and help each other out. I don't use forums that contain advertising for this reason, because they cannot be trusted to remain independent.

Of course for some people 650 bucks is spare change and so these complaints here look petty and unnecessary to them.


No, all I am saying is that there is a difference between bug reporting (and giving people the time to fix things) and nagging/trolling.
I wouldn't usually even reply in a thread that often but I really think the people at malekko are treated unfairly here.
There is proof that they actually work on the problems.
I talked to them just after I got mine about feature wishes and they replied right away.
It would be a totally different picture if they'd ignore all that and just skip to the next product. (a situation I've seen elsewhere)
Just be reasonable
wavefold
sonicmayhem wrote:
UndercoverBrother wrote:
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.


To be honest, who the hell are you to call others uneducated? Having a stand alone sequencer NOT being able to transpose, having shoddy sync etc are all major issues. How does that make me uneducated?

listen, I have worked on 35 plus video game scores, I'm a musician. Having a device that won't transpose made it unusable to me (even the keyboard attached transpose was not properly working either).

So please save me your "I'm talking with facts" bs comment when in reality most people posting owned the unit and had (have) valid critic.


Ok you have worked on 35 plus things so what? That allows you to be rude ti people and manufacturers? They’re trying to fix what people complained about, never being cocky or anything. It’s a small company and the people developing the firmware have probably more things going on, so give them some time ffs I bet you have plenty of synth to work with meanwhile.
I am a musician too, even if I didn’t make this or that, and I want to be supportive to people whose work I appreciate. Manther is an exceptional synth to me and I am happy with it. Does this make me uneducated?
sonicmayhem
wavefold wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
UndercoverBrother wrote:
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.


To be honest, who the hell are you to call others uneducated? Having a stand alone sequencer NOT being able to transpose, having shoddy sync etc are all major issues. How does that make me uneducated?

listen, I have worked on 35 plus video game scores, I'm a musician. Having a device that won't transpose made it unusable to me (even the keyboard attached transpose was not properly working either).

So please save me your "I'm talking with facts" bs comment when in reality most people posting owned the unit and had (have) valid critic.


Ok you have worked on 35 plus things so what? That allows you to be rude ti people and manufacturers? They’re trying to fix what people complained about, never being cocky or anything. It’s a small company and the people developing the firmware have probably more things going on, so give them some time ffs I bet you have plenty of synth to work with meanwhile.
I am a musician too, even if I didn’t make this or that, and I want to be supportive to people whose work I appreciate. Manther is an exceptional synth to me and I am happy with it. Does this make me uneducated?


I need things to work. Basic functions. No one was yelling, screaming or demanding outrages features. Some of us simply pointed out that for a sequencer its lacking basic functions. If you are happy your own noise that doesn't mean I need to shut the fuck up and not be able to voice critic. And please point out EXACTLY were I was rude? What kind of fucking bs Elitist attitude is that anyways? And what does it matter if they are small? They could have simply said on Twitter "we are working on a FW. Date TBA" . They didn't. So we just lamented some things that didn't work and were missing. Not because we want to bash a small company but because personally I want Manther to be useful and good.

So please. Spare me the fake outrage that people (or just myself) were rude. I have tons of MH modules. I have praised them in many tweets. If I have a problem with one product, big deal. I haven always been nice when I wrote them emails and whatnot. I apologize if I ever was rude to MH. Sheesh.
oldgearguy
wavefold wrote:
sonicmayhem wrote:
UndercoverBrother wrote:
The Manther was by no mean unfinished at released. Uneducated and pretty tiresome comments from untitled people not even owning the unit in many cases. They mostly comment on gear they don't own either because it's fun spitting on complex and rather expensive gear that are not perfect.

Manther was fully usable at release, let's rather fight the trend of people asking everything and its contrary to be implemented in a synth to consider it finished. Thanks.


To be honest, who the hell are you to call others uneducated? Having a stand alone sequencer NOT being able to transpose, having shoddy sync etc are all major issues. How does that make me uneducated?

listen, I have worked on 35 plus video game scores, I'm a musician. Having a device that won't transpose made it unusable to me (even the keyboard attached transpose was not properly working either).

So please save me your "I'm talking with facts" bs comment when in reality most people posting owned the unit and had (have) valid critic.


Ok you have worked on 35 plus things so what? That allows you to be rude ti people and manufacturers? They’re trying to fix what people complained about, never being cocky or anything. It’s a small company and the people developing the firmware have probably more things going on, so give them some time ffs I bet you have plenty of synth to work with meanwhile.
I am a musician too, even if I didn’t make this or that, and I want to be supportive to people whose work I appreciate. Manther is an exceptional synth to me and I am happy with it. Does this make me uneducated?


To me (and this is not specific to Malekko), releasing a product and having some users discover an esoteric bug or two after it's been in the field and under unusual real-world conditions is much different than releasing a product that is unfinished, poorly tested, and not ready to be dropped into a production setup.

Companies seem to think they can skip the (often long and difficult) internal and beta test period and go right from production to release. It's like the software developer going from "it compiles" to "ship it".

I was involved in a number of beta test efforts for Alesis and Akai and the amount of pounding the hardware and OS took during those early times yielded a lot of good information and significant bugs that needed to be addressed. Of course they weren't 100% bug free, but on release, we were confident that all the main features and the vast number of minor features worked as designed and folks could use the gear in their setups the day of purchase.

Now, that doesn't seem to be the case.
LostForWords
oldgearguy wrote:

To me (and this is not specific to Malekko), releasing a product and having some users discover an esoteric bug or two after it's been in the field and under unusual real-world conditions is much different than releasing a product that is unfinished, poorly tested, and not ready to be dropped into a production setup.

Companies seem to think they can skip the (often long and difficult) internal and beta test period and go right from production to release. It's like the software developer going from "it compiles" to "ship it".

I was involved in a number of beta test efforts for Alesis and Akai and the amount of pounding the hardware and OS took during those early times yielded a lot of good information and significant bugs that needed to be addressed. Of course they weren't 100% bug free, but on release, we were confident that all the main features and the vast number of minor features worked as designed and folks could use the gear in their setups the day of purchase.

Now, that doesn't seem to be the case.


This is exactly the point, and the reason I've now lost confidence in the product, which I was enjoying but waiting to be fixed/improved for some months. Having waited for the update only to experience major flaws in the new features I wonder how much testing, if any, had been done before release? How could I, as one end user, find three things so wrong with the pattern transposing within 10 minutes of use and the manufacturer not?
gentle_attack
LostForWords wrote:
Having waited for the update only to experience major flaws in the new features I wonder how much testing, if any, had been done before release? How could I, as one end user, find three things so wrong with the pattern transposing within 10 minutes of use and the manufacturer not?


I do not work in software dev but did when I was in college during the summers. Mostly doing test case verfication, and writing manuals/ how to guides. It was a pretty small project by most standards, 2 people full-time and then another part timer.

The lead guy was in total denial about how the program actually functioned, and would delay any updates or additions to functionality literally tooth and nail. The LAST thing he wanted was activating another module that would generate dozens if not hundreds of additional issues that would require phone calls emails and follow up.

I am not saying this is necessarily the case at Malekko, but to think that the developers are somehow aligned with the end users is very incorrect. You never know how the project manager is communicating with the owner/stockholder vs with the developers.

I would not assume that Josh is writing code for this project much less testing it himself. With the System 500 project who knows where his attention is. Apparently not on the Manther. This entire project is a million times more complicated code wise, than everything he's made before combined. People getting in over their heads on software, and terrible delivery dates, is as old as the computer itself.
gb
Hello Manther Users,

I updated to Firmware 1.1.
The snappier envelopes are the one thing i wanted from the update, so i‘m happy with this, but:

What i noticed is that the attack has a weird behaviour (in both modes, slow and fast):
Fast attacks (zero position of the fader) everything is fine bit after ca. 1/3 of the faderlength the envelope suddenly does not „work“ anymore (also no signs on the display), not for the amp / not for the filter. (Neither with the sequencer is playing nor when i trigger it „manually via the keyboard-buttons)
So no slow attacktimes are possible...

Has someone else noticed this behaviour?

Sorry for my bad english.... :-)
messier35
gb wrote:

Fast attacks (zero position of the fader) everything is fine bit after ca. 1/3 of the faderlength the envelope suddenly does not „work“ anymore (also no signs on the display), not for the amp / not for the filter.


Hi, i haven't update to 1.1, but os1.0 doesn't do that.
djx
gb wrote:
I updated to Firmware 1.1.
What i noticed is:
Fast attacks (zero position of the fader) everything is fine bit after ca. 1/3 of the faderlength the envelope suddenly does not „work“ anymore (also no signs on the display), not for the amp / not for the filter. (Neither with the sequencer is playing nor when i trigger it „manually via the keyboard-buttons)
So no slow attacktimes are possible...

Has someone else noticed this behaviour?


I only noticed this after reading your post. I can confirm that the attack only works for approx 1/3 of its length. If I increase the gate times to max, then I can get a slightly slow attack, but nothing like how it was in 1.0. After I go past 1/3 (approx depending on gate) then envelope does not work. It works a bit better at slow tempo. But even at 20bpm the gate is not long enough to register attack beyond about 1/2 slider length.

But I am still seeing the display showing the bars correctly.

I also noticed that it works correctly when I trigger notes manually with the keyboard. Then I can get approx 5 sec attach time in slow env mode with slider at max.

Then I realized if I divide sequencer clock by 8 and play back at 20 bpm (in effect 2.5 BPM ?), the full attack length can finally be used.
Panason
That sort of sounds like Elektron envelope behaviour so maybe the Manther is catching up! meh

Sounds like the envelope times are related to tempo so that the sequencer can do its thing, which makes it behave unconventionally when playing manually, which is sort of how the Elektron synth stuff behaves... at least that's the impression I got from the Monomachine before I gave up and sold it.. The Amp Attack on the Rytm also seems sort of broken too.
gb
djx wrote:
gb wrote:
I updated to Firmware 1.1.
What i noticed is:
Fast attacks (zero position of the fader) everything is fine bit after ca. 1/3 of the faderlength the envelope suddenly does not „work“ anymore (also no signs on the display), not for the amp / not for the filter. (Neither with the sequencer is playing nor when i trigger it „manually via the keyboard-buttons)
So no slow attacktimes are possible...

Has someone else noticed this behaviour?


I only noticed this after reading your post. I can confirm that the attack only works for approx 1/3 of its length. If I increase the gate times to max, then I can get a slightly slow attack, but nothing like how it was in 1.0. After I go past 1/3 (approx depending on gate) then envelope does not work. It works a bit better at slow tempo. But even at 20bpm the gate is not long enough to register attack beyond about 1/2 slider length.

But I am still seeing the display showing the bars correctly.

I also noticed that it works correctly when I trigger notes manually with the keyboard. Then I can get approx 5 sec attach time in slow env mode with slider at max.

Then I realized if I divide sequencer clock by 8 and play back at 20 bpm (in effect 2.5 BPM ?), the full attack length can finally be used.


Nice workaround!
I will write malekko about the „bug“...
coolshirtdotjpg
Still no word on the Mr. D?
kay_k
Upgraded to V1.1 .. Envelopes behave as expected.
Can't confirm any bug there.
kay_k
No bug when transposing.

Either I bought the golden ticket version of the Manther or you guys just have faulty units


[EDIT] I am still sad tho that none of my requested feature (fixes) made it into 1.1 My most wished for feat. would have been to be able to make sliding notes w/o retrigger (100% Gate time but note CV changes).
gb
Who knows where or how i can download firmware 1.0?
tarmoog
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Still no word on the Mr. D?


Updating Manther firmware has probably taken toll on development of Mr. D and the wavetable unit.

If most bugs on Manther have been fixed now, hopefully we can hear news about other units soon.
jameshenry
Got mine, kind of underwhelmed, but I hate everything, LOL.
Nothing interests me these days.
bimbom
tarmoog wrote:
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Still no word on the Mr. D?


Updating Manther firmware has probably taken toll on development of Mr. D and the wavetable unit.

If most bugs on Manther have been fixed now, hopefully we can hear news about other units soon.


Based on issues I found on v1.0 and the v1.1 list , it’s not close to ‘no bugs’.
As I’ve sold mine , i’ll Try to leave this thread alone , I sent bugs/requests to malekko , I’ve done what I could .

Final question , a few pages ago there was mention of hardware / tuning issues if leads / cv was used so I wondered if it was user error or not .
djx
Not user error.
THis from the support page at malekko:
Quote:
4. TUNING WON’T CALIBRATE IF VOLTAGE IS PRESENT AT VCO CV IN

Unplug any incoming CV from this jack during startup in order to calibrate correctly.
segpa16
Hello everyone,

Updated my Manther to v1.1. this evening and now my unit used to freeze/crash. Did someone experience that ?

Cordially,

Arthur
segpa16
Also, the programmation of the notes in the step sequencer now behaves in a weird way on my unit. I can't program notes like I used to do it before (v1.0.).
gb
segpa16 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Updated my Manther to v1.1. this evening and now my unit used to freeze/crash. Did someone experience that ?

Cordially,

Arthur



Same here.

Mine freezed/crashed not once on 1.0.
On 1.1 it crashed ans freezed several times.
djx
Question about the freeze/crashes you are experiencing... Does it happen randomly? Or when you are using a specific feature?

I have used mine quite a lot in the past few days and have not had any crashes or freezes.

I have found that tuning is way off after I first power it up to begin a session. If I let it warm up then power down and back up, it re-calibrates and is good from that point on. I think it was a bit like that before the upgrade, but not quite as noticeable. No big deal though... Easy fix. But a global tuning parameter would be very welcome. (in a future update maybe?)
tarmoog
bimbom wrote:
tarmoog wrote:
coolshirtdotjpg wrote:
Still no word on the Mr. D?


Updating Manther firmware has probably taken toll on development of Mr. D and the wavetable unit.

If most bugs on Manther have been fixed now, hopefully we can hear news about other units soon.


Based on issues I found on v1.0 and the v1.1 list , it’s not close to ‘no bugs’.
As I’ve sold mine , i’ll Try to leave this thread alone , I sent bugs/requests to malekko , I’ve done what I could .

Final question , a few pages ago there was mention of hardware / tuning issues if leads / cv was used so I wondered if it was user error or not .


Maybe I was too optimistic, but I really hope Malekko doesn't abandon other units because of firmware problems on Manther.
Panason
waah
gb
djx wrote:
Question about the freeze/crashes you are experiencing... Does it happen randomly? Or when you are using a specific feature?

I have used mine quite a lot in the past few days and have not had any crashes or freezes.

I have found that tuning is way off after I first power it up to begin a session. If I let it warm up then power down and back up, it re-calibrates and is good from that point on. I think it was a bit like that before the upgrade, but not quite as noticeable. No big deal though... Easy fix. But a global tuning parameter would be very welcome. (in a future update maybe?)


It happened 3 or 4 times (freeze) but can‘t remember that it freezed after a specific feature...i think when i was in the menu changing stuff, but not sure...
blackgaot_white
I’ve actually only had issues such as freezing and tuning AFTER the update. Has anyone tried reinstalling the update? That’s probably a fucking stupid question but thought I would ask. I love this thing and want to use it live but I am scared with it crashing.
gb
Firmware 1.11 is out now with some bug fixes.
(And original 1.0 is now also there to download)

Cheers
djx
Updated to 1.11 tonight. No issues. Transpose working better.
Haterade
Any consensus on this thing with the updated firmware? Workin better?
sonicmayhem
Anyone else having a problem installing the 1.11 FW? I can't get it to work with out errors. Have to reinstall 1.1 otherwise the unit is bricked.
LTodd
sonicmayhem wrote:
Anyone else having a problem installing the 1.11 FW? I can't get it to work with out errors. Have to reinstall 1.1 otherwise the unit is bricked.


I was getting errors initially because my interface was actually too Loud. After a couple of tries I noticed that the errors were occurring before the update file started playing. Once the file started, no additional errors.

When are your errors occurring?
djx
I got errors all the way through (ie 1000s of them). I experimented and found that I needed the sound to be really loud - much louder than what I would normally use for audio, and I was sure it would be clipping, but it worked because then it was error free.
sonicmayhem
djx wrote:
I got errors all the way through (ie 1000s of them). I experimented and found that I needed the sound to be really loud - much louder than what I would normally use for audio, and I was sure it would be clipping, but it worked because then it was error free.



Yeah I noticed that the waveform wasn't as hard clipping as the 1.1 release. Maybe I will normalize it and try again. Thanks.
sonicmayhem
Yup. Added +1 dB in volume and it updated now without errors. Thanks for the tip!
Panason
Maybe they should have made it so that it takes firmware updates from cassette as MIDI Sysex is obviously too 90s.
LTodd
Panason wrote:
Maybe they should have made it so that it takes firmware updates from cassette as MIDI Sysex is obviously too 90s.


Might have something to do with the limited MIDI functionality of the Manther. Only handles clock in/out currently. That being said, plenty of modular gear handles firmware update from an audio file into one of the jacks on the module, so no big deal.
enlovoz
Does someone recommend a case or a travel box to protect the Manther while travelling ? Any idea ?
enlovoz
I bought this case and removed the foam. The manther fit perfectly in this UDG box.
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00BDT5K6Q/ref=pe_3044141_189395771_TE_dp_2
sonicmayhem
Anyone else having issues with the transpose even with 1.11?
kay_k
Ok, I've tested my Manther with external MIDI clock for the first time..
firstly, the MIDI receiver routine surely doesn't like patching of midi cables. I had to restart it every time.

Also with my unit the cable wouldn't fit quit into the hole. I had to shave of some of the plastics on the DIN jack so it would stay in the device.

At first it wouldn't stay in sync but when I wanted to record it, it worked fine. I need to inspect this further. I really want to use that thing for a live show and I don't take things on stage that aren't reliable in that regard.
Maybe I use it as the master clock then.
calaveras
when the fuck are they going to get the BFF done?
Panason
kay_k wrote:
Ok, I've tested my Manther with external MIDI clock for the first time..
firstly, the MIDI receiver routine surely doesn't like patching of midi cables. I had to restart it every time.

Also with my unit the cable wouldn't fit quit into the hole. I had to shave of some of the plastics on the DIN jack so it would stay in the device.



lol lol lol lol

calaveras wrote:
when the fuck are they going to get the BFF done?


I'm sure that will also be very lol-worthy. Why would you want that after this ? seriously, i just don't get it
kay_k
Panason wrote:
Why would you want that after this ? seriously, i just don't get it


cos it is an awesome machine even with its flaws
djx
kay_k wrote:
Ok, I've tested my Manther with external MIDI clock for the first time..
At first it wouldn't stay in sync but when I wanted to record it, it worked fine...

No cable or sync issues here (clocking using DAW via motu express 128).
enlovoz
I don’t have problem with my midi cable neither, and I can remove the midi cable and plug it again without any flaw or inconsistent timing.
As someone notice before, the Manther respond a bit earlier to midi start message than my other midi gear. I put some swing/delay (15/20) on each step and I’m good.
kay_k
sooooooo ... few sessions down the road:
MIDI sync works on my unit, but to me it seems when the Manther is slave it becomes more sluggish (probably thru extra CPU load) .. the fader moves seemed a bit more steppy than without slave sync.
Maybe that is just my paranoia now with a gig coming up.. I will try and put more time and evaluation into this.

Oh one other thing that I wished for (also send a customer request) is that the LFO delay would be more like on the MC202. To me it seems the "delay" on the manther is rather a fade-in attack time than an actually delay, while the LFO action on the MC202 was way more sudden after the delay.
I'd also like to know how deep the pitch mod of the LFO on your manthers is, cos on mine I find it too weak. I sometimes patch the LFO additionally into pitch to get more action there.
enlovoz
I did not notice any latency with my unit slaved to another midi gear. As far as I tested, the midi sync works great on my machine.
I agree about the delay on the pitch. At full depth, it’s not radical at all, it’s more a kind of pitch wobble or classic vibrato, you can’t get crazy with this. By the way, it’s a nice work around you found with the additional patch.
About the delay, I guess you’re right, but I’m ok with the actual behavior. Did you get a response from Malekko ?
kay_k
I've send them a request before and actually got a reply. Took some time.
So since this is minor I wouldn't mind if they don't reply.

One thing to add: the Manther stays in sync, no latency or so (clock from a beatstep pro here) - it just seemed that the user interface became slower BUT that can also be my perception error

Tipp: don't leave the cable patched thru power cycle cos my machine would hang at the auto tune startup.
enlovoz
Quote:
One thing to add: the Manther stays in sync, no latency or so (clock from a beatstep pro here) - it just seemed that the user interface became slower BUT that can also be my perception error

I get that, that’s what I was talking about. I don’t notice a slower reaction from the interface while midi synced.

Quote:
Tipp: don't leave the cable patched thru power cycle cos my machine would hang at the auto tune startup.

Do you mean that when you leave a cable patched in the pitch your Manther will not finish the boot process ?
kay_k
yes, the one in the Pitch CV input I mean.
It's obvious the auto tuning can't take the LFO into account.
I was just scared it's broken the first time i had that .. then I had a "duh"-moment
KoryB
calaveras wrote:
when the fuck are they going to get the BFF done?

????
enlovoz
I currently have a little skiff built around the Loquelic Iteritas and I would like to get some modules to expand the possibilities of my Manther.
I’d like to explore FM and Ringmod and I have a Moddemix so I guess I just need another oscillator and start FMing/Ringmoding with the Manther right ? Is a Dixie II+ a good choice ? It has a triangle core, does it pair well with a the panther OSC ?

Do you have other modules ideas which pair well with a Manther ?
kay_k
enlovoz wrote:
I currently have a little skiff built around the Loquelic Iteritas and I would like to get some modules to expand the possibilities of my Manther.
I’d like to explore FM and Ringmod and I have a Moddemix so I guess I just need another oscillator and start FMing/Ringmoding with the Manther right ? Is a Dixie II+ a good choice ? It has a triangle core, does it pair well with a the panther OSC ?

Do you have other modules ideas which pair well with a Manther ?


Maybe a TZFM VCO (doepfer, or else) for pitch accurate FM?
Definitely another envelope!
I have not hooked up my Manther to my modular yet, I rather like it as a stand alone box, so I don't know the levels coming out or going in to it.
enlovoz
Thanks for your answer. I have open a specific thread in the Eurorack section, maybe it’s better if we continue the discussion there.
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212446
Nelson Baboon
i've had a chance to try out a manther. just got it today.

this is one of the funnest boxes I've ever used. I don't care about any sync issues that may or may not exist - so I can't comment on any of that.

the oscillators + filter + delay sound really good. but the sequencer and the other elements of the design centered around modulation, recording, etc - i'm finding that I can do a lot with what is in some sense, a relatively simple synthesizer.
RickKleffel
Nelson Baboon wrote:
i've had a chance to try out a manther. just got it today.

this is one of the funnest boxes I've ever used. I don't care about any sync issues that may or may not exist - so I can't comment on any of that.

the oscillators + filter + delay sound really good. but the sequencer and the other elements of the design centered around modulation, recording, etc - i'm finding that I can do a lot with what is in some sense, a relatively simple synthesizer.


Damn you! This is exactly what I was hoping this would be... but I'd been convinced otherwise by the blizzard of witheration directed at it ...

I realized that my first two synths, the Pro-One and the TB303 were both analog monosynths with rudimentary sequencers. I hooked 'em up, driving one with the other, and had a blast. Apparently I have not outgrown the form, in fact, it's my favorite at the moment. Having this sort of stuff is why I am at home called a seenager.

On the plus side, they're not tragically expensive out of the box, and less so on the used market. Goes to show that specs are a better point of evaluation than hearsay. Follow your gut and fire the nukes! P-A-R-T-A-Y!!!!!!
Licudi
RickKleffel wrote:
Goes to show that specs are a better point of evaluation than hearsay.


Maybe, but specs can't tell you whether a synth will be to your liking either. I find there's no substitute for personal evaluation, which is unfortunate as it can be an expensive and time-consuming way of doing things.

BTW, not heard of seenagers before. I'm still living in 2012.
nearly ghost
I keep checking this thread im the hope of some news of the BFF! Please make it happen malekko.. cool
RhythmDroid
I've been waiting for the BFF since I saw it day one at NAMM 2017


...and then FLAME comes along and beats them to the punch!!!

http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/flame2/news.html
fattyparts
Nelson Baboon wrote:
i've had a chance to try out a manther. just got it today.

this is one of the funnest boxes I've ever used. I don't care about any sync issues that may or may not exist - so I can't comment on any of that.

the oscillators + filter + delay sound really good. but the sequencer and the other elements of the design centered around modulation, recording, etc - i'm finding that I can do a lot with what is in some sense, a relatively simple synthesizer.


curious to know how you feel about the Manther now? i'm thinking of picking one up, but this thread scares me with all the complaints. Version 1.12 is out, but i've not heard if this fixes any severe bugs?
enlovoz
I've got mine for 5 months now and still love it. There is some little problems with timing while playing pattern backward and it starts a bit earlier than my other midi machines but if I put some delay everything is fine.
kay_k
V1.12 tackles one problem I saw with the machine. It is good news, but they forgot to add a way to soft start the calibration in this tuning menu.
(I always power cycle mine after a few minutes if I want to make harmonic stuff, cos the calibration drifts when the machine heats up).

I repeat what I stated before: while this thing has its bugs and short comings, it is a great synthesizer.

I really hope they work on a v2.0 firmware in secret adding all the features I wished for. Until then I use it as is.
Aiyn Zahev
So just trying to catch up on the progress. It seems the fixed the show envelope issue. Would you guys say it's in a good enough state to recommend? There's just something about the form, features and sound that's kept me interested since day 1.
kay_k
Hard to say..
I am very happy with my unit cos I always wanted some sort of 202 with a usable sequencer. And the sequencer is really good (programable probability is killer)
Some things are weird but it's a good machine.

I'd swap if Tubbutec would get a CPU mod for the original out.

My biggest complain in the moment is that they have yet no way of programing an acid slide (mid gate) in. If you make a note to have 100% gate the next one gets the same pitch.
Aiyn Zahev
Thanks for the info. I'm very close to buying one just to see for myself.

I can't figure out what this means:
"My biggest complain in the moment is that they have yet no way of programing an acid slide (mid gate) in. If you make a note to have 100% gate the next one gets the same pitch."
kay_k
Aiyn Zahev wrote:

I can't figure out what this means:
"My biggest complain in the moment is that they have yet no way of programing an acid slide (mid gate) in. If you make a note to have 100% gate the next one gets the same pitch."


basically .. what I want is to program a legato with slide, but it's not possible with that machine.
bimbom
I see they’ve announced the manther voice eurorack device
Probably a better route to go than full grooveboxes
Aiyn Zahev
Well for better or worse I'll have one soon, fingers crossed
kay_k
bimbom wrote:
I see they’ve announced the manther voice eurorack device
Probably a better route to go than full grooveboxes


reason n°1 for the box is the sequencer tho .. modular options are there already. (3340 Vco + Filter or Atlantis or roland 500 series stuff)
deftinwulf
The BFF looks good and I get why everyone wants it, but for me, I'm gonna need some news and demos on that MR. D drum machine. love applause
bimbom
There are likely to be better , cheaper sequencers
My manther experience was mixed and the fw updates only touched on a few issues.
Based on manther , I’m personally very cautious about their other planned boxes though I’m sure their eurorack stuff is good.
Aiyn Zahev
I got mine a couple of weeks ago. Interestingly mine was defective. I bought it used and when I got it, something inside it was rattling around.

Turns out someone had forgot to screw in the oscillator PCB and once I put that back in it worked, but was distorted and the VCA would simply not close. I called Malekko and they took it in, repaired and sent it back all for free.

That's pretty cool in my book.

So far It's a weird mix of things. I can definitely see why some people haven't liked it, I can hear it's short comings, but at the same time I genuinely like it. Every time I turn it on I have a blast and the sound is something I really thing I could use in my music.

It's has a kind of simple charm to me, and I guess I got it just cheap enough that I'm not too concerned about it's short-comings so far.

Anyway, here's a brief example of fiddling with it:

calaveras
This is a great lesson on how not to launch products.
I got to check out the Manther at Control once. It has a nice PWM sound. Pretty cute little analog synth. But nothing so compelling that I'd buy it instead of an Analog 4, Minilogue or any number of contemporary analog synths with sequencing.
The announce of the other two products years before they are available only has me worried about buying stuff from Malekko. They have been around for a while and put out solid products. But that move undermined my confidence in them. I was very enthusiastic about the BFF and it's siblings. But now I'll have none of them. Elektron, Sequential and Moog will probably be getting my money instead.
I hope it works out for those boxes. But Jeez guys.
Torn n Frayed
IRRC they've stated they won't release more boxes until they get the 1st box working properly. Sounds like a solid business move..
SweetNuthin
It was a Brave move from Malekko the decision to create this groovebox but, IMHO, the biggest mistake was not calling out Roland and create this series with them.. They could have used Roland expertise and marketing potential.

Look at the Se-02, that this is really well done.

I had a Manther for a month and then returned it back.. It had a great potential but it was not a mature or ready product, and that was a shame because it sounded really good.

The right move for Malekko, at least for me, it would be to call Roland HQ and try to release the Manther, BFF and Mr.D under Roland help
SweetNuthin
double post
KoryB
Is the BFF still coming out?
flashheart
Dunno, certainly no sign of it at Superbooth seriously, i just don't get it
davidjames
They talked about BFF on the Podular Modcast episode with Scott Jaeger of IME. Sounds like it's still a thing.
anselmi
KoryB wrote:
Is the BFF still coming out?


after all the manther odyssey in the past pages I really doubt I could be interested again in this products...a shame, because I liked the idea, but to buy one feels kinda like a gamble now
messier35
calaveras wrote:
This is a great lesson on how not to launch products.
I got to check out the Manther at Control once. It has a nice PWM sound. Pretty cute little analog synth. But nothing so compelling that I'd buy it instead of an Analog 4, Minilogue or any number of contemporary analog synths with sequencing.
The announce of the other two products years before they are available only has me worried about buying stuff from Malekko. They have been around for a while and put out solid products. But that move undermined my confidence in them. I was very enthusiastic about the BFF and it's siblings. But now I'll have none of them. Elektron, Sequential and Moog will probably be getting my money instead.
I hope it works out for those boxes. But Jeez guys.


Hi, I have moog, elektron a4 and manther. So i would like to give my perspective on that synth. Nothing i have soundS like the manther. I would recomend this sinth to best friends, with all it flows (i haven't experience bugs or anything, i just think they made some strange decisions, like turning off and on the synth after you change clock sorce), it sounds big and special. It bass sits incredibly healthy in the mix. Only synth i had, that was sounding so good raw, was juno 60. If malekko make other boxes, i would support them. Again, a4 is interesting sinth, but it is not Manther, i assure you. Peace
fattyparts
Completely agree with the post above me. Manther is special, it’s had a rough upbringing but the boi done good.
ddiamond84
SweetNuthin wrote:
It was a Brave move from Malekko the decision to create this groovebox but, IMHO, the biggest mistake was not calling out Roland and create this series with them.. They could have used Roland expertise and marketing potential.

Look at the Se-02, that this is really well done.

I had a Manther for a month and then returned it back.. It had a great potential but it was not a mature or ready product, and that was a shame because it sounded really good.

The right move for Malekko, at least for me, it would be to call Roland HQ and try to release the Manther, BFF and Mr.D under Roland help


What're some things about it that aren't ready or mature? I only ask because I got to play around with one today for about an hour and was blown away by the sounds and how fun it was to motion record and play with the delay. I want to pick one up but would love to hear your thoughts on it.
chiasticon
ddiamond84 wrote:
What're some things about it that aren't ready or mature? I only ask because I got to play around with one today for about an hour and was blown away by the sounds and how fun it was to motion record and play with the delay. I want to pick one up but would love to hear your thoughts on it.

scroll through this thread back about a year ago or so. it came out around then and there were some issues with the OS. some things didn't work perfectly or weren't implemented yet. I'm pretty sure most of these issues have been repaired by now, but I don't have one any more so can't say. my impression of it is similar to the person to whom you were replying. in short: it wasn't quite ready to hit the market when it did, but it certainly does some very cool things and has a lot of potential.
ddiamond84
chiasticon wrote:
ddiamond84 wrote:
What're some things about it that aren't ready or mature? I only ask because I got to play around with one today for about an hour and was blown away by the sounds and how fun it was to motion record and play with the delay. I want to pick one up but would love to hear your thoughts on it.

scroll through this thread back about a year ago or so. it came out around then and there were some issues with the OS. some things didn't work perfectly or weren't implemented yet. I'm pretty sure most of these issues have been repaired by now, but I don't have one any more so can't say. my impression of it is similar to the person to whom you were replying. in short: it wasn't quite ready to hit the market when it did, but it certainly does some very cool things and has a lot of potential.


Thanks for the response. I scrolled back and see some problems discussed, but it seems like most of the problems were addressed/fixed. I guess I'll find out. I love the sound and playability, hopefully it isn't too buggy!
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ddiamond84
I got one today and it's seriously awesome. Super simple to use but so powerful, amazing sounds, great built in delay, motion recording that takes you to crazy places fast. The sequencer is great too!

Mine has no problems that I can see, and I really love the updates so far. A really beautiful sounding looking playing synth!

Anyone else that has/played one have any thoughts? Any other fans of it?
DisarmingMorpheus
ddiamond84 wrote:
I got one today and it's seriously awesome. Super simple to use but so powerful, amazing sounds, great built in delay, motion recording that takes you to crazy places fast. The sequencer is great too!

Mine has no problems that I can see, and I really love the updates so far. A really beautiful sounding looking playing synth!

Anyone else that has/played one have any thoughts? Any other fans of it?


mine will come this weekend from Perfect Circuit - it will be my first synth! :>
computer controlled
I finally got one the other day. Updated to the latest OS and everything seems fine. No sync issues, no transpose issues, works solid. The only thing i found that is weird it the filter steps when swept upwards, but is smooth when swept downwards. Very strange. But doesn't bother me much. Great synth!
ddiamond84
computer controlled wrote:
I finally got one the other day. Updated to the latest OS and everything seems fine. No sync issues, no transpose issues, works solid. The only thing i found that is weird it the filter steps when swept upwards, but is smooth when swept downwards. Very strange. But doesn't bother me much. Great synth!


We have almost all the same synths! I've always wanted to try an Avalon bassline. How do you like it? I love the tb-03 I just got but it makes me even more curious to try the Avalon!
computer controlled
ddiamond84 wrote:
computer controlled wrote:
I finally got one the other day. Updated to the latest OS and everything seems fine. No sync issues, no transpose issues, works solid. The only thing i found that is weird it the filter steps when swept upwards, but is smooth when swept downwards. Very strange. But doesn't bother me much. Great synth!


We have almost all the same synths! I've always wanted to try an Avalon bassline. How do you like it? I love the tb-03 I just got but it makes me even more curious to try the Avalon!


The Avalon is fantastic. If you can find one, it's worth the money!!
GIT
computer controlled wrote:
I finally got one the other day. Updated to the latest OS and everything seems fine. No sync issues, no transpose issues, works solid. The only thing i found that is weird it the filter steps when swept upwards, but is smooth when swept downwards. Very strange. But doesn't bother me much. Great synth!


I’m having the same experience with the filter. Funnier yet it doesn’t behave this way when opened via CV. Malekko has been mum on the matter thus far. The wave folder also behaves this way. I find this disruptive when the goal is a smooth sweep. I’m already considering getting an Intellijel tetrapad which would allow me to easily manually open the filter without the jumps. But it’s frustrating that this hasn’t been addressed with firmware updates that have addressed things like envelope behaviors. Any insights? Other opinions on this funny behavior on an otherwise incredible box?
kay_k
I can confirm fader movement is steppy upwards - smooth down
If you listen carefully that is true for all faders.

I actually only noticed with the wave folder before. So it is not too bad.
waxdoctor
new firmware V1.2 out there love

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/support/manther-updates-and-support/
kay_k
While the new record mode looked nice on Instagram, I was actually hoping the fader bug would be addressed.

still 3 serious feature opportunities missing: Env.mod --> Folder, Pitch tracking of the delay and a legato mode like on most other synths (with slide)
enlovoz
I just watched this video

I definitly want a legato mode with slide to write this kind of bassline !
kay_k
enlovoz wrote:
I just watched this video

I definitly want a legato mode with slide to write this kind of bassline !


I made this video with the intention to show how this would sound like.
I mean the MC-202 could do it, a SH-101 and not to mention the TB-303.
Even the cheap Volca Bass is able to do it, so why do I have to yell?

Btw. I used the Intellijel Metropolis as a sequencer here (that is also able to do it) but this way you loose Accent, Probability and motion sequencing which sucks
enlovoz
I did not know about the lost of all the features of the Manther's sequencer if you sequence it via CV. Is it the same via midi ?
kay_k
enlovoz wrote:
I did not know about the lost of all the features of the Manther's sequencer if you sequence it via CV. Is it the same via midi ?


if you don't use the internal sequencer, you don't use the internal sequencer...

I don't know if accent is routed to midi velocity, but forget about parameter automation: the manual says
"MIDI INPUT: Receives MIDI clock. CC messages are planned for a software future release."

I don't mind that .. I've got that thing for its sequencer too
enlovoz
I get that the Manther does not respond to CCs yet, but when you sequence it via MIDI, the internal sequencer does not start at all, ignoring the internal automation one would have program on the machine itself ?
kay_k
enlovoz wrote:
I get that the Manther does not respond to CCs yet, but when you sequence it via MIDI, the internal sequencer does not start at all, ignoring the internal automation one would have program on the machine itself ?


puuuuhhh .. I guess it would still run with midi clock and you could record stuff. I never tried
kay_k
AAAHHHHHH

I've downloaded 1.2 and they silently added exactly this legato behavior! I feel like I need to hug that firmware guy
YAAAY

It doesn't do an auto slide but portamento can be programmed per step anyway. so you can do it now!
kay_k
Question: was the Manther always able to record step automation like an Elektron or is that added? I always just "recorded" fader movement but discovered it also works by pressing a step and setting faders.
nice

the bug with the fader going steppy upwards but smooth downwards is still in there, something you only hear when fading slowly (especially with the folder).
A way around is to bring up Morph to 1/3 and then fade slowly.
enlovoz
Yes, step automation (parameter lock in the Elektron world) is here since the begining.
About the legato mode you're talking about, what was added exactly ? Do you mean you can parameter lock the glide parameter or is it something else ?
kay_k
enlovoz wrote:
..
About the legato mode you're talking about, what was added exactly ? Do you mean you can parameter lock the glide parameter or is it something else ?


Before it was this way: whenever I programmed a gate to be 100% it would automatically play the pitch of the following step to be the same while it was actually programmed to be different. Now it changes to what I programmed.

The glide parameter lock was in there from version 1.0, I know, but that wasn’t what I meant. Btw. This is one of the things I am not so happy about but can work with. I don’t need different glide times per step. I’d rather would want to be able to just program slide on or off and have a global length parameter. (MC202 style)
But as I said, I can work with it the way it is.

The machine feels overall more and more like a finished and thought through product. Maybe if v1.2 would have been v1.0 the people wouldn’t be so upset. I’d def buy it again. That said: I saw they are on sale in the moment. SlayerBadger!
Licudi
kay_k wrote:
That said: I saw they are on sale in the moment. SlayerBadger!


Where?
kay_k
10% off directly from Malekko
Licudi
Ah thanks. A good deal if you're in the States. Manther is still around retailing at around £550 in the UK.
Panason
Does it now sync to MIDI clock properly and follow start/stop messages?
enlovoz
Apparently the early start problem has been resolved in the new firmware. It wasn't a big issue but it's better if the timing is respected.
I've never had issue with the start/stop midi message, my manther always start when it receives the start message. I never had the 1.0 firmware, maybe the bug was resolve after the first update.
computer controlled
Panason wrote:
Does it now sync to MIDI clock properly and follow start/stop messages?


Mine has never had an issue with midi clock.
waxdoctor
I don’t know if it is just me having problems with this in FW v1.20:

SHIFT + TRANSPOSE UP or DOWN buttons (for octave transposition ). For semitone transposition, hold SHIFT + TRANSPOSE UP or DOWN buttons and then a keyboard button.

I can't make it work on the spot.

Just if I recall an other preset and then recall the previous with the "transpose action" it is somehow transposed...

This was not in V1.12 - it worked the moment you transposed.

Please, may someone try it too and let me know if I am just too stupid for it - or that my firmware is scrambled...
waxdoctor
waxdoctor wrote:
I don’t know if it is just me having problems with this in FW v1.20:

SHIFT + TRANSPOSE UP or DOWN buttons (for octave transposition ). For semitone transposition, hold SHIFT + TRANSPOSE UP or DOWN buttons and then a keyboard button.

I can't make it work on the spot.

Just if I recall an other preset and then recall the previous with the "transpose action" it is somehow transposed...

This was not in V1.12 - it worked the moment you transposed.

Please, may someone try it too and let me know if I am just too stupid for it - or that my firmware is scrambled...


All fine now - it's working - I just didn't do it right - you have hold SHIFT (or SHIFT+TRANSPOSE) then a quick tap on the TRANSPOSE or NOTE buttons - otherwise it won't work smile
sonicmayhem
The new update is great. So much more fun playing the notes in via a real keyboard.

I still dont like the way you transpose a sequence tho.

Since after you recorded a new sequence via keyboard, in order to play it back you have to deactivate record so why not just let the midi controller transpose the sequence in real time? Much more intuitive, IMO.
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