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WMD/SSF Modbox

Post by hawkfuzz » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:40 pm

http://wmdevices.com/collections/wmd-ss ... cts/modbox

I'm not understanding what this thing does at all.

I guess each jack column is per knob. 2 LFOs

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Post by Joe. » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:12 pm

Edit: it looks like the initial description wasn't clear, there will be enough LED indicator states to show all of the modes that are squeezed into this one.

Fell free to read my Initial grumpy response, quoted below :party:
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Post by savethisrocketship » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:13 pm

I've been eyeing this since they announced it right before NAMM - 2 LFO's (not identical), a S&H plus you have access to the internal noise (but S&H can take an external signal). Each LFO can be synced to a clock or run free - when synced the rate knobs for each become dividers/multipliers of clock. LFO 1 can be sine, triangle or saw and has [edit: 2 phase offsets] 3 phase offsets - individual jacks for each (0, 120, and 240 degrees). LFO 2 is a variable shape saw>tri>ramp that can be continuously modulated (probably offered on many designs but the one that comes to mind is QPLFO). Seems handy & I am a big fan of the quality of the WMD/SSF modules. Hope this helps :tu:
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Post by savethisrocketship » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:17 pm

LoFi Junglist wrote:Ewwwww.

As much as I love their collaboration work, this is the first WMD/ssf module I won't be buying, and wouldn't take if it was free.

Not only are functions hidden by hold down button menus, theres multiple settings based on how long you hold down buttons or tap the buttons... And then output functions also change depending on what settings you've made,.

This obviously should have been two different modules, and they've been ruined by shoehorning them both behind one panel with limited controls.
Maybe I'm missing something but pressing the button just selects waveform for LFO 1. Press-and-hold selects which (1, 2, both, or none) respond to clock signal... seems like a set-and-forget in most cases... but I could be missing something :hmm:

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Post by hawkfuzz » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:12 pm

I think that's correct. If it was Peaks style I'm sure that would've been explained.

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Post by boramx » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:13 am

Hmmm, 120 & 240 degrees outs?

Triangulature?

Is this for modulating waltz time and 12/8 ballads?

Panning in Eno's speaker arrangement?

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Post by albiedamned » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:35 am

I think this is an impressive amount of functionality for only 6 HP. This thing has capabilities that are close to a PEG, which is 20 HP. When it's in sync mode, both LFOs have CV controlled clock divisions just like PEG, and the second LFO has CV controlled skew just like PEG. Plus it has a S&H and noise as added bonuses. I don't like the various types of long button presses, which could be confusing. But that's the only negative to me. Well, that plus I guess I don't see the point of the 120 and 240 degree outputs.
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Post by hawkfuzz » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:42 pm

Uploaded to MG for anyone who thinks it may still be usable

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Post by Jumbuktu » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:56 pm

hawkfuzz wrote:Uploaded to MG for anyone who thinks it may still be usable
This will be an essential part of my 38hp Phonogene Lunchbox. So much modulation in so little space. The WMD DPLR and MMF are already in there, and I I am prepared to sacrifice something else to make space for this.

The description seems pretty clear about what it does. The first LFO provides 3 phases of 'quadrature' ['triature'?]with variable wave shapes. The second one is like the one on the Korg MS20. The S&H is just ... a standard S&H, with clock normalled to LFO2 and input normalled to white noise, so you can get the standard clocked random outputs without any patching.

About the only tricky bit is the different sync behaviour based on how long you hold down the button. It's not as though there are multitudes of arcane options to memorise, and anyway I am prepared to accept that even a random selection will be interesting and usable.

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Post by Dogma » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:47 pm

How can anyone be complaining about this? Sweet modulation source. I've not met one of these modules that's disappointed and I'm sure this won't either

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Post by Futuresound » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:43 am

The interface might not be for everyone, but I bet it will be simple in practice. Tap vs press is super simple to understand on the Spectrum, and here there's even axtra text explaining the functions.

I immediately think for 3-against-4 modulations, or 3 against 2, both of which I rather like :)

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Post by hawkfuzz » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:48 am

I hope my sarcasm was apparent.

I do think this will be a great addition to my stuff.

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Post by MossGarden » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:20 am

I think this looks great, 6hp, two clockable LFO's and a S+H function which is normaled to the LFO and samples internal noise! So much modulation there, including a random source. I'll be keeping an eye on this thing!

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Post by TheRosskonian » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:51 am

Jumbuktu wrote:About the only tricky bit is the different sync behavior based on how long you hold down the button. It's not as though there are multitudes of arcane options to memorise, and anyway I am prepared to accept that even a random selection will be interesting and usable.
I also own a lot of the collaborative line and am a little put off by the multiple button hold modes. The way they implement the buttons on the mini-slew is great, but this one seems a little too much for one tiny button, on paper at least. That being said, I'm still getting one. It looks like the LEDs explain which LFO is in sync, so I'll be ok with that. But I can imagine there will be some minor frustration in getting the timing of the button presses right. Here's hoping maybe there will be a jumper where you can manually set one of the LFOs and the button only controls the sync of the other. But again, this isn't a big enough deal to turn me off of this module.

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Post by NastyNachos » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:10 am

Hey guys, I just changed up the website description to be a little simpler. It was a little confusing with the hold times because I missed mentioning that the LEDs next to the rate knobs turn red if they are sync'd. It just cycles through the sync options as you hold...

Each LFO can be sync'd individually or they can both be sync'd. Sorry for the hold function, but we just wanted to give you all the options it a simple 'set and forget' fashion as mentioned earlier.

Here is the new description.

WAVE SHAPE BUTTON (hold): Tempo sync the LFOs to an external clock via the Sync input. When the LED next to a RATE knob is red (may look purple when the blue LED is on), the respective LFO is clock sync'd.

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Post by analogPedagog » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:22 am

Tapping the button changes the waveform. Holding the button down cycles sync function for the two LFOs. The RED portion of the LEDs will light up when synced as NastyNachos said. ;)

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Post by starthief » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 am

This really doesn't seem difficult to use :)

And now I feel a need to rethink my future modulation plans.

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Post by BaloErets » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:43 am

This will absolutely be making it's way into my rack. Huge fuctionality-value in such little HP. Looking forwards to playing w/ it.

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Post by Jaypee » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:52 am

Would have personally preferred having a button to switch and chose between
90, 120, 180, 240 etc
but it's great.
Hope there is a MK2 with 90 and 180 outputs :)

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Post by gonkulator » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:01 am

I think this paired the Mini Slew will be quite the combo. I am not a fan of the multi-function buttons that require remembering what they do (would rather, e.g., have a button for each function) but at least there is some printing on this to clue you in. The 120/240 should be interesting.
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Post by analogPedagog » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:34 pm

For those who are wondering about the phase relationship -

It isn't that big of a difference in terms of modulating stuff and it actually is a bit more expressive having the additional phase offset.
Like the rest of the collaboration series, we have added something new to the modular realm beyond what you might consider traditional - which is what SSF and WMD like to do with our designs.
I don't think we mentioned that the MODBOX can also work as a VCO that can track 8-10 octaves. The phase relation makes some really cool super saws!
And if you already have some modules that can do quadrature, you can get more phase relationships out of modbox as well. ;)
We think it works and sounds great and hope you do too!

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Post by drewfx1 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:55 pm

analogPedagog wrote: I don't think we mentioned that the MODBOX can also work as a VCO that can track 8-10 octaves.
:woah:

Can it work as a PLL with the sync at audio rate?

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Post by albiedamned » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:32 pm

Wow that's a pretty big feature you forgot to mention! Do both LFOs track V/oct? An audio demo would be great. Modulating the skew of the second LFO while it plays at audio rate should sound interesting...
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Post by nangu » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:22 am

What happens after a power cycle? Does it remember what mode it's supposed to be in, or does it revert to a default state?

If it reverts to a default state, I'm hoping that the state will be where both LFOs are synced.

It looks fantastic! I'll be buying more than one of these if they don't contribute to my "why does this patch sound different than it did yesterday" startup headaches..

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Post by Dogma » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:36 am

analogPedagog wrote:For those who are wondering about the phase relationship -

It isn't that big of a difference in terms of modulating stuff and it actually is a bit more expressive having the additional phase offset.
Like the rest of the collaboration series, we have added something new to the modular realm beyond what you might consider traditional - which is what SSF and WMD like to do with our designs.
I don't think we mentioned that the MODBOX can also work as a VCO that can track 8-10 octaves. The phase relation makes some really cool super saws!
And if you already have some modules that can do quadrature, you can get more phase relationships out of modbox as well. ;)
We think it works and sounds great and hope you do too!
So this would play oh so nice with the pdo :)

Yeah I think you might wanna add the Osc functionality to the module "description" that's huge for some people as it can be a secondary Osc
I could def see one in my rack. This and the e330 would be killer combo for a smaller set up

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