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Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer
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Author Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer
Daisuk
Winter Modular - Eloquencer
https://www.facebook.com/wintermodular/?fref=ts



Inputs and Outputs:
- 8 V/oct CV Output
- 8 Trigger / Gate Output
- Reset Input
- External Clock Input (configurable. i.e: can be used as a clock divider / multiplier)
- Accent Output (configurable)
- Clock Output (configurable. i.e: can be used as a clock divider / multiplier)
- 2 CV Input (assignable to different parameters)
Main Features:
- Pattern lenght independent for each track and pattern
- Gate probability independent for each step
- CV, CV Probability, and CV Probability Range adjustable for each step or track.
- Gate Lenght, Gate Probability, and Gate Probability Range adjustable for each step or track.
- Ratcheting Type, Ratcheting Type probability, and Ratcheting Type Range adjustable for each step or track.
- Tempo and shuffle adjust
- CV Outputs quantizable in tone / scale
- Different step modes ( ping pong, 3f2b...) independent for each track and pattern.
- Fill in mode (pressing the track button will increase a desired amount of probability of any of the parameters).
- Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates)
- Song Mode (For arranging patterns)
- LFO Mode
- Mute Mode
- Integrated microSD card reader to save projects, do back ups of your projects, and have different cards with different sets.
- Open Source - the program can be modified using the Arduino IDE and a USB cable.
- and more...

Quote:
Winter modular Will be under 500€ without taxes


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woah
The Art Of Sound
This looks like an excellent spec list..

If I was in the market for another sequencer then this seems to have all the main functionality I look for from one...

Especially of interest to me would be the Random/Probability features... the dual Gate/V-oct outputs... ratcheting.... and easy Micro SD access and storage.

ETA appears to be sometime after Superbooth in April... according to their FB page.
oranginafiend
love seems like the lovechild of a voltage block, stillson hammer, and er-101
hawkfuzz
That could be fun.
miles_macquarrie
This looks great. I've realized that I have a sequencer problem. Currently using Metropolis, Rene, Kilpatrick Carbon, and AD sequencer 1. I just really love sequencers and I certainly think I could fall in love with this. Really feature packed for that price.
lamouette/rck
It is a 16step lengh max ?
Hi5
Interested
The Art Of Sound
lamouette/rck wrote:
It is a 16step lengh max ?


Yes but with Song mode to extend that as needed
mopoco
looking forward for the first demos.
this thing looks soooo "smart"... Miley Cyrus
burnn_out!
I was on the fence about keeping the stillson hammer but not anymore. Daddy like
atte
I'm waiting for my er-101, if this one was available, demoed and bug free I might go for it. But I can't wait...

Looking forward to seeing this in action, though, looks amazing!
Daisuk
I really dig the varigate 8 and voltage block combo, but really need to try this one out. Looks pretty much perfect on paper. I wonder how long patterns you can have though.
bkbirge
Needs another row of 16 outs for gate at each step.
kingcons
That's 38hp of love
Mikeyg3k
Would LOVE to see some demos. Congrats guys, looks slick.
batch
miles_macquarrie wrote:
This looks great. I've realized that I have a sequencer problem. Currently using Metropolis, Rene, Kilpatrick Carbon, and AD sequencer 1. I just really love sequencers and I certainly think I could fall in love with this. Really feature packed for that price.


I have the same problem. I can't help but buy sequencers and trigger modules.
gonner
I would buy this right now.
happyham
these sequencers just keep getting better. had never heard of this company. if this is their first release, they're coming into euro with a bang.
atte
What I'd like know is:
* can each track run at different clock divisions/multiplications
* how does it handle switching patterns manually, is there a wait for pattern before switch setting, and can one track be the master here so that other track in the middle of a pattern switches when master is done with its pattern
enoughframes
Hi all !
I'm Eloi from Winter Modular. Sorry to leave your questions here unattended, I wasn't aware of this post, intense days...
Before start I want to thank all the people that has helped me or encourage me to build this little monster, specially BEFACO crew and Andreas from ENDORPHIN.ES

lamouette/rck wrote:
It is a 16step lengh max ?

It has a maximum of 16 steps with different information in each step for each pattern. As @The Art Of Sound answers you can do a song chaining patterns.
There's another possibility, you can define the pattern length (now can be defined between 1 and 64) and when this counter reaches its end it will reset all the tracks at its beggining (depending on track length and step mode settings that can be independent per track and pattern). This is related with another question:

atte wrote:
What I'd like know is:
* how does it handle switching patterns manually, is there a wait for pattern before switch setting, and can one track be the master here so that other track in the middle of a pattern switches when master is done with its pattern


There are two configurable types of switching:
1) Direct: it change pattern in the next step
2) End of pattern : It changes pattern at the end of the pattern. ok... but... ¿when is the end of the pattern if we have different track lengths? You can decide which of the 8 tracks is the master track, when it reaches its end will reset all other tracks, or will jump to the next pattern. Or you can choose an alternative global counter that can go from 1 to 64 so when it reaches the end will reset all tracks or jump to the next pattern.

I'll try to do a very quick video to explain this master track thing

atte wrote:
What I'd like know is:
* can each track run at different clock divisions/multiplications


It is planned to do, but it's not done yet. By now what we have is a step mode, called "repeat", that can repeat steps in a track a certain amount of times. So you define the step mode "repeat" with quantity 8 in track 1, track 1 will change step every 8 clock tics, but will output 8 gates . It's not exactly the same as track clock division but it's also a very usefull tool. Anyway, what you are asking is on the list.

I add some other questions that have been answer in the facebook page.

Store capacity
By now you can store 128 projects, each project has 64 patterns and 2 songs. So in general terms you can store 8192 patterns, and 256 songs in one microSD card. You can have as many microSD cards as you want, so the answer might be... A lot! smile To make a back up you only have to copy the content of the SD card.

Ratchet
In terms of clock divisions in each step, ratchet in our case, you can do doublet or triplet in each step, or doublets or triplets with silences. Something like:
XXX
XX-
X-X
--X
-XX
XX
-X

Clock in / out
The input clock and the output clock can be divided or multiplied to adapt to other modules

Copy / paste / duplicate / clear
These edition tool can be use selectively, you can copy and paste an entire pattern, or you can only copy/paste the CV values, or the Gate values... same for clear.

It has to be decided, but the code will be open source, so it will be posible to modify or update firmware using the microUSB connector (in the board) and the Arduino IDE.


I'm sorry! we don't have a proper demo yet. We are waiting to have the faceplates to do so.

We will try to answer all your questions, but, as I'm sure you understand, our first priority is to have this thing fully working, bug free, and full of modular hapiness. So forgive us if we are not the fastest answering questions.


Many thanks for all these nice comments you have done!

Eloi

P.D: yes ! the name started as a joke (eloi + sequencer = eloquencer) but.. who can change the name of a beloved creature?
Daisuk
Fucking hell, this will be a beast! Sign me up! SlayerBadger! thanks for chiming in, enoughframes. smile
hyena
enoughframes wrote:
Hi all !
I'm Eloi from Winter Modular. Sorry to leave your questions here unattended, I wasn't aware of this post, intense days...
Before start I want to thank all the people that has helped me or encourage me to build this little monster, specially BEFACO crew and Andreas from ENDORPHIN.ES

lamouette/rck wrote:
It is a 16step lengh max ?

It has a maximum of 16 steps with different information in each step for each pattern. As @The Art Of Sound answers you can do a song chaining patterns.
There's another possibility, you can define the pattern length (now can be defined between 1 and 64) and when this counter reaches its end it will reset all the tracks at its beggining (depending on track length and step mode settings that can be independent per track and pattern). This is related with another question:

atte wrote:
What I'd like know is:
* how does it handle switching patterns manually, is there a wait for pattern before switch setting, and can one track be the master here so that other track in the middle of a pattern switches when master is done with its pattern


There are two configurable types of switching:
1) Direct: it change pattern in the next step
2) End of pattern : It changes pattern at the end of the pattern. ok... but... ¿when is the end of the pattern if we have different track lengths? You can decide which of the 8 tracks is the master track, when it reaches its end will reset all other tracks, or will jump to the next pattern. Or you can choose an alternative global counter that can go from 1 to 64 so when it reaches the end will reset all tracks or jump to the next pattern.

I'll try to do a very quick video to explain this master track thing

atte wrote:
What I'd like know is:
* can each track run at different clock divisions/multiplications


It is planned to do, but it's not done yet. By now what we have is a step mode, called "repeat", that can repeat steps in a track a certain amount of times. So you define the step mode "repeat" with quantity 8 in track 1, track 1 will change step every 8 clock tics, but will output 8 gates . It's not exactly the same as track clock division but it's also a very usefull tool. Anyway, what you are asking is on the list.

I add some other questions that have been answer in the facebook page.

Store capacity
By now you can store 128 projects, each project has 64 patterns and 2 songs. So in general terms you can store 8192 patterns, and 256 songs in one microSD card. You can have as many microSD cards as you want, so the answer might be... A lot! smile To make a back up you only have to copy the content of the SD card.

Ratchet
In terms of clock divisions in each step, ratchet in our case, you can do doublet or triplet in each step, or doublets or triplets with silences. Something like:
XXX
XX-
X-X
--X
-XX
XX
-X

Clock in / out
The input clock and the output clock can be divided or multiplied to adapt to other modules

Copy / paste / duplicate / clear
These edition tool can be use selectively, you can copy and paste an entire pattern, or you can only copy/paste the CV values, or the Gate values... same for clear.

It has to be decided, but the code will be open source, so it will be posible to modify or update firmware using the microUSB connector (in the board) and the Arduino IDE.


I'm sorry! we don't have a proper demo yet. We are waiting to have the faceplates to do so.

We will try to answer all your questions, but, as I'm sure you understand, our first priority is to have this thing fully working, bug free, and full of modular hapiness. So forgive us if we are not the fastest answering questions.


Many thanks for all these nice comments you have done!

Eloi

P.D: yes ! the name started as a joke (eloi + sequencer = eloquencer) but.. who can change the name of a beloved creature?


very nice! the pattern change behaviour seems really similar to the one in the octatrack when diff track lengths are involved, which i find super flexible! well done!
enoughframes
The promised video explanation.
Done very quickly. At the end I forget to activate the song mode, after some seconds of thinking "shit! not a bug now in my first video !!!" I realise that I have to activate the song mode and everything starts to work smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ugzYXkFEsU
mooneh
Can you change for example the CV and Gate length with the knobs on the bottom or are they just buttons? How long can a steps Gate length be?
Timmy
enoughframes wrote:
The promised video explanation.
Done very quickly. At the end I forget to activate the song mode, after some seconds of thinking "shit! not a bug now in my first video !!!" I realise that I have to activate the song mode and everything starts to work smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ugzYXkFEsU


Are any details of the technical specifications available? That looks like a massive MPU in the video, half hidden behind the OLED. Is that a 168 or 216 pin package? Could it be an STM32F7?? Also curious about the DAC used in the design.
enoughframes
mooneh wrote:
Can you change for example the CV and Gate length with the knobs on the bottom or are they just buttons? How long can a steps Gate length be?

The bottom 16 elements are buttons with bicolor led inside. To change a value you have to press the step and turn the encoder. In the small oled screen you can see the 16 step values for the desired parameter.
The gate lengths are 1/16 1/32 1/64 and 1/128.
enoughframes
Timmy wrote:

Are any details of the technical specifications available? That looks like a massive MPU in the video, half hidden behind the OLED. Is that a 168 or 216 pin package? Could it be an STM32F7?? Also curious about the DAC used in the design.

Atmel ATSAM3X8E cortexM3 (the one Arduino DUE uses) with 144 pins
Embeded 12 bits DAC
franman69
I am so on top of this.. I also have a "Sequencer Problem"... but I'm hoping one like Eloquencer might "cure" me at least for a little white.... when, when, when???
enoughframes
franman69 wrote:
I am so on top of this.. I also have a "Sequencer Problem"... but I'm hoping one like Eloquencer might "cure" me at least for a little white.... when, when, when???


The official presentation will be during Superbooth, we are doing our best to release it during those days.
franman69
enoughframes wrote:
franman69 wrote:
I am so on top of this.. I also have a "Sequencer Problem"... but I'm hoping one like Eloquencer might "cure" me at least for a little white.... when, when, when???


The official presentation will be during Superbooth, we are doing our best to release it during those days.


That's April, right? I guess I will make it till then! Do you have a dealer network in place or will you be selling directly? Please put me on a list if you have one, for pre-orders and orders.. fmanzella@fmdesign.com
Daisuk
Will a saved preset/pattern be able to remember a muted channel? So that say I can have four sequences going on pattern 1, mute one of the sequences/channels, and save this to pattern 2? smile

Also, is there a way you can have the Eloquencer send a gate out whenever a pattern change is taking place? I'm thinking about syncing song mode/pattern changes to other events happening in the system. It would be sweet if the Eloquencer could somehow clock the Malekko Voltage Block, for instance. smile
enoughframes
Daisuk wrote:
Will a saved preset/pattern be able to remember a muted channel? So that say I can have four sequences going on pattern 1, mute one of the sequences/channels, and save this to pattern 2? smile

Parameters like MUTE are more intended as performative tool. So it won't be associated to a pattern or project.
But there are many edition possibilities to get the functionality you are asking for.
In edition mode (copy / paste / clear) there are many possibilities to do partial editions, find below some examples:
- You can copy a track/channel or a group of tracks to another pattern.
- You can copy specific parameters of a track/channel. For example: copy just Gates and CVs from track 1 in pattern A1 >to> track 2 in pattern A2, keeping the other parameters in A2 as they were.
- Copy an entire pattern to another pattern but just for Ratcheting parameters.
- Clear/Delete only the CV parameters of the entire pattern, keeping all other parameters
- Clear certain parameters of an specific track in pattern.
...

pressing the green buttons (CV,Gate,Gate legth and ratcheting) you decide which parameters are you going to copy.

Daisuk wrote:
Also, is there a way you can have the Eloquencer send a gate out whenever a pattern change is taking place? I'm thinking about syncing song mode/pattern changes to other events happening in the system. It would be sweet if the Eloquencer could somehow clock the Malekko Voltage Block, for instance. smile

Some of the possibilities are:

You can configure the AUX output to send a EOC trigger any time you :
- Do a pattern change
- Reach the end of the master track
- Reach the end of an specific track

You can configure the clock output to a division that suits your needs.

Does it help ??

Eloi
enoughframes
franman69 wrote:

That's April, right? I guess I will make it till then! Do you have a dealer network in place or will you be selling directly? Please put me on a list if you have one, for pre-orders and orders.. fmanzella@fmdesign.com


It will probably be sold through both methods, direct and delaer.
We will open a pre-order list soon, anyway you are on it wink

Eloi
Daisuk
Sweet! Thanks a lot for the info. What does "clear all cv parameters for that track" mean though? Does it clear gates as well? If so, that's pretty much what I'm after. smile

Can't wait for this. Good luck with the finishing process, looking much forward to more videos and info. smile
enoughframes
Daisuk wrote:
Sweet! Thanks a lot for the info. What does "clear all cv parameters for that track" mean though? Does it clear gates as well? If so, that's pretty much what I'm after. smile

Can't wait for this. Good luck with the finishing process, looking much forward to more videos and info. smile


Let's say you have started to edit track-1 of a pattern. The gates are just where you want, you also like the gate lengths, but you don't like the melody that CV values are given, so you only want to delete the CV. So you press "clear" button the upper modes go green, and you press GATE / GATE LENGTH / RATCHETING so you leave only the CV button lit up. Then , when you release the clear button, you will only delete the CV values.

If you want to delete all the track/channel in that pattern you just press and release the clear button.

If you want to the delete the whole pattern you go to pattern mode and press and release the clear button.
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Sweet! Thanks a lot for the info. What does "clear all cv parameters for that track" mean though? Does it clear gates as well? If so, that's pretty much what I'm after. smile

Can't wait for this. Good luck with the finishing process, looking much forward to more videos and info. smile


Let's say you have started to edit track-1 of a pattern. The gates are just where you want, you also like the gate lengths, but you don't like the melody that CV values are given, so you only want to delete the CV. So you press "clear" button the upper modes go green, and you press GATE / GATE LENGTH / RATCHETING so you leave only the CV button lit up. Then , when you release the clear button, you will only delete the CV values.

If you want to delete all the track/channel in that pattern you just press and release the clear button.

If you want to the delete the whole pattern you go to pattern mode and press and release the clear button.


Sounds great. Thanks a lot for the info! thumbs up
wanne
i need this as well MY ASS IS BLEEDING
how much will it be and what about preorders for europe ??
are you from barca ???
atte
I honestly can't get the eloquencer out of my head, I might get this over ER-101/102 combo hmmm.....

Another question:
Will it be possible to switch patterns through CV? So (example) 0V=pattern 1, 0.1V=pattern 2, 0.2V=pattern 3 etc. meaning sending it 0.1V at some point will switch to pattern 2 when 1) the current pattern is done, 2) immediately or 3)both.

Might be useful when integrating with other sequencers, so I don't have to change pattern in each sequencer to improvise my way through a structure.
radiokoala
Hi, first off congrats on designing such a well thought-out and feature rich module w00t ! I really think it offers something that's not been done before neither in such a small package (like, hold on for a minute; eight sequencer tracks!!) nor probably in any form, software or hardware, if you take into account everything that's under the hood: e.g clock dividers, probability, ratcheting.

So, again, I really want compliment you on such an impressive engineering and user interface achievement, and if you are open to some more suggestions, here are some I want to share. I'll be speaking mainly from a live performer's perspective, and (if that means something) I normally don't do that: most designs/prototypes shared here look quite solid and, again, well thought-out, so there is not much that I can add. However, in your case the concept behind the module and actual execution are so brilliant that I see potential for this to become a key element of a live performance oriented system and as one who deals with this kind of things on stage, here's some input I can provide on what features I'd like to see present in a sequencer for easy and convenient operation in context of playing live.

1. First thing that I wanted to suggest was a real-time recording of notes, and on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests). By looking at the panel with orange keys outlined I think it's exactly how it works, but if the layout is still subject to change, what would you say if I suggested to move a keyboard two buttons to the right, and repurpose leftmost ones to octave up / down function? This way, you could play parts that span more notes, or — alternately, — if encoder can switch octaves, I'm equally fine with this too. Works well for me in volca, pretty smart.

2. A lot of KORG gear is using this nifty feature called "Active Step", where you remove steps from sequence, and it starts looping around those (8 / 7 / arbitrary number) that you leave. Any chance of seeing it implemented here? From my experience, performance-wise it's an interesting one to play around, and while I see you mentioning different pattern lengths per track, there's more than a single way of going about it: most sequencers handle it just by shortening a sequence by n steps, whereas in KORG case, you can deactivate any arbitrary steps: e.g 3, 4, 7 and likewise. I'd really like to see this possibility here as well. cool

3. After playing a lot with KORG SQ-1, one of the most liked things about it for me is easy & quick voltage range adjustments: 1V/2V/5V/8V etc. This is really cool to have, and the way it operates I can in one touch transform my bassline to melody in one track or two, and vice versa. The way it is achieved there is holding the Function button, and then 16 rubber buttons allow to do this via 8 buttons on the left as well as changing sequence scale from chromatic to minor to major to no quantizing. This has inspired the thought of a special performance mode on Eloquencer which would too repurpose those and give them similarly useful functions. Yet, given that notes aren't set with knobs, but stored in memory, I suggest a little different approach: instead of attenuating the voltage, sequence depending on its note range will fall into the nearest suitable slot, and a led button will indicate that. I.e: the top left 4 buttons will shrink or stretch our sequence to narrower or wider range and we will see which of them it falls into by the notes that it contains. It will also be useful visual indicator of how wide is it in its range: e.g if first led is lit, its octave or less, or two in case of second etc.

As to the other buttons, I suggest they affect various other important parameters, but also in a relative way so that you could quick get back to where you were a second ago with a touch. For example, the bottom four buttons could change gate length: if in a sequence you programmed they all are more or less short, it'll automatically fall into the first slot, and buttons to the right will increase the duration in 10-25% increments with respect to the length of each that is already contained in a pattern. If it's long, the button 4 will be lit then and ones on the left will chop/truncate the seq — you get the idea.

The last eight buttons is where it gets interesting, here I came up with something I've not seen anywhere before: this will change the gate length of only odd or even steps from original to say, 25-50-75%. I think this can be a nice way to alter the pattern with respect to its rhythmic content: shorter hits on downbeat etc. But! That is not everything, and as we stil have four more buttons, they will switch between four settings: a) gate length change only affects odd steps; b) gate length change only affects even steps; c) & d) gate length only affects each second step among the active ones (gate on).

_

This is pretty much it, hope some of this will be considered for a possible addition. Really looking forward to the finished module.

Kudos! Dancing Star
atte
radiokoala wrote:
on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests).


I was under the impression that quantized recording would mean entering notes in real time by playing a QuNexus or connecting the output of you turing machine or rene and grabbing and storing the "melodies" this way. But I might be totally wrong...
wanne
any signs of life from enoughframes ?
i really want to preorder but cant find an email oder something ...
no answer from pm since about 10 days as well
seriously, i just don't get it
miguel_eedl
wanne wrote:
any signs of life from enoughframes ?
i really want to preorder but cant find an email oder something ...
no answer from pm since about 10 days as well
seriously, i just don't get it


You can leave a message on https://www.facebook.com/wintermodular/
he's very responsive
enoughframes
wanne wrote:
any signs of life from enoughframes ?
i really want to preorder but cant find an email oder something ...
no answer from pm since about 10 days as well
seriously, i just don't get it


Sorry guys ! We have been working more than recommended to prepare the beta units.
By now I recommend facebook page as the fastest method to contact us, by now I only check muffw once a week, not in the future !!! smile)
enoughframes
atte wrote:
radiokoala wrote:
on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests).


I was under the impression that quantized recording would mean entering notes in real time by playing a QuNexus or connecting the output of you turing machine or rene and grabbing and storing the "melodies" this way. But I might be totally wrong...


Both answers are right.
You have 3 methods of live recording:
1) Gate recording (you can record gates using the 8 track buttons) so you can edit 8 tracks at once. (already working)
2) Keyboard CV recording. You can choose a track and then using the "minikeyboard" as @radiokoala says, you can record CVs (already working)
3) CV IN recording. You can activate the record of one of the two CV imputs, and assign it to the CV values of one track (not yet ready, in the roadmap)
enoughframes
Hi radiokoala ! and many thanks for your words and advice !

radiokoala wrote:

1. First thing that I wanted to suggest was a real-time recording of notes, and on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests). By looking at the panel with orange keys outlined I think it's exactly how it works, but if the layout is still subject to change, what would you say if I suggested to move a keyboard two buttons to the right, and repurpose leftmost ones to octave up / down function? This way, you could play parts that span more notes, or — alternately, — if encoder can switch octaves, I'm equally fine with this too. Works well for me in volca, pretty smart.

The panels are right now quite fixed :(
The good news is that the octave change works using step 1 and step 8
radiokoala wrote:

2. A lot of KORG gear is using this nifty feature called "Active Step", where you remove steps from sequence, and it starts looping around those (8 / 7 / arbitrary number) that you leave. Any chance of seeing it implemented here? From my experience, performance-wise it's an interesting one to play around, and while I see you mentioning different pattern lengths per track, there's more than a single way of going about it: most sequencers handle it just by shortening a sequence by n steps, whereas in KORG case, you can deactivate any arbitrary steps: e.g 3, 4, 7 and likewise. I'd really like to see this possibility here as well. cool

You can define the start and the end point of a track, using the "TRK LEN" function. it is independent from other tracks.
We will study what you mention of step removing

radiokoala wrote:

3. After playing a lot with KORG SQ-1, one of the most liked things about it for me is easy & quick voltage range adjustments: 1V/2V/5V/8V etc. This is really cool to have, and the way it operates I can in one touch transform my bassline to melody in one track or two, and vice versa. The way it is achieved there is holding the Function button, and then 16 rubber buttons allow to do this via 8 buttons on the left as well as changing sequence scale from chromatic to minor to major to no quantizing. This has inspired the thought of a special performance mode on Eloquencer which would too repurpose those and give them similarly useful functions. Yet, given that notes aren't set with knobs, but stored in memory, I suggest a little different approach: instead of attenuating the voltage, sequence depending on its note range will fall into the nearest suitable slot, and a led button will indicate that. I.e: the top left 4 buttons will shrink or stretch our sequence to narrower or wider range and we will see which of them it falls into by the notes that it contains. It will also be useful visual indicator of how wide is it in its range: e.g if first led is lit, its octave or less, or two in case of second etc.

As to the other buttons, I suggest they affect various other important parameters, but also in a relative way so that you could quick get back to where you were a second ago with a touch. For example, the bottom four buttons could change gate length: if in a sequence you programmed they all are more or less short, it'll automatically fall into the first slot, and buttons to the right will increase the duration in 10-25% increments with respect to the length of each that is already contained in a pattern. If it's long, the button 4 will be lit then and ones on the left will chop/truncate the seq — you get the idea.

The last eight buttons is where it gets interesting, here I came up with something I've not seen anywhere before: this will change the gate length of only odd or even steps from original to say, 25-50-75%. I think this can be a nice way to alter the pattern with respect to its rhythmic content: shorter hits on downbeat etc. But! That is not everything, and as we stil have four more buttons, they will switch between four settings: a) gate length change only affects odd steps; b) gate length change only affects even steps; c) & d) gate length only affects each second step among the active ones (gate on).


whooaa !! It sounds really interesting and perfect for performance, but the same time it makes my mind go deep into the core of the programming code and ... shit... my heartbeat is rising ... Dead Banana
smile I really like that feature but it also implies many things in the code. I put it on the list and we will evaluate in the future.

Many many thanks for this great ideas and nice words !

Eloi
miles_macquarrie
enoughframes wrote:

You have 3 methods of live recording:
1) Gate recording (you can record gates using the 8 track buttons) so you can edit 8 tracks at once. (already working)
2) Keyboard CV recording. You can choose a track and then using the "minikeyboard" as @radiokoala says, you can record CVs (already working)
3) CV IN recording. You can activate the record of one of the two CV imputs, and assign it to the CV values of one track (not yet ready, in the roadmap


Excellent! Excited for this sequencer. Still on Track for April?
D Beau
This seems absolutely ideal, save for the black panel. I hope you make grey panels available as well. Either if not, you've definitely got one more buyer here.
ronni
totaly agree. this is simply a fantastic sequencer!
actually, it seems so great that makes one think it'd be so cool if we could use it to control external gear as well, like midi synths etc. i wish there was a midi out, or at least a usb...
Siete
It just suits my needs so well that I cant wait, the only doubt is if will keep the rene or not, but Ill only know when both are racked grin
Zube
Woah, this looks great! Can't wait to try one in person.
radiokoala
Zube wrote:
Woah, this looks great! Can't wait to try one in person.

Yeah, it does right? Here's a still I captured from an FB video (added some motion blur for sci-fier look w00t)

radiokoala
Now, Eloi, thanks so much for listening to my and others' ideas, and (if you don't mind!), here's some more that I came with as I was thinking about ways to improve on user-machine interaction front. Very cool of you to take note of features I and other people suggest — be it here or on FB, — and is really exciting that you're willing to add more functionality to what already is an impressively capable and brilliant design! And pardon me that every time I come to this thread I write a paragraph worth of praise and compliments, but I really fell in love with it, well, at first sight. love

More performance mode ideas:

1. I really love being able to control the most crucial sound parameters in the most efficient way, so what I wanted to suggest is a possibility of altering those not only with encoder but also buttons. This would vastly increase the degree of control you can have playing live, and allow for sudden transitions impossible with using encoder alone (which goes between states smoothly). The way this would work is simple: if you activate this mode, whatever parameter you edit will also be mapped to 16 buttons, value increasing in order.

Likewise, imagine how great it would be when parameters like gate length, gate probability, shuffle degree etc are mapped like this: transform an even beat into chaos with one click, and back. Or if I suddenly feel the need for a few seconds of a free-jazz like lead line, I can press the last step button when editing cv probability range and instantly go into that territory. Once again, the main advantage of this is ability to switch between various states real quick and make this an element of performance.

In techno buildups toggling between A/B like this would be golden, as tracks often have transitions that just happen every n measures. This is also often tied up to the beginning of a bar, so you only have a few milliseconds to work with and should take action quickly, which is best accomplished with buttons. And a knob/encoder doesn't let you skip the values in between initial & desired, so it will always be crossfade-like effect, presumably not always what you are after.

Another example: I have an empty drum track (snare), and want to drop in a few hits, then go to empty again, then aim for a quick fill in / drum roll — well... three button presses and I'm there! w00t

2. Triplet functionality. I thought that it would really be cool if there was a way of bringing this in, like when you can select whether a particular track is playing regular or triplet notes. Interface-wise I'd possibly implement this as holding Function or other button and then pressing the 8 track buttons, which (in Triplet edit) would light up to indicate the selected mode.

In case Fn+track is already assigned to something in firmware, the hotkey in question can be made to work only upon entering the Triplet menu page.

3. State recall page per pattern. This one is a special macro mode, where you can change between various preset states (parameters selected to your liking). To give an example, I could have it set like this:
button 1 = original pattern settings, b2 = step length 12, all tracks playing triplets, b3 = twice the tempo, step length 8. (And et cetera; as you see, a selection of important global parameters will undergo change).

4. ...That's it! Thanks for bearing with me. razz
atte
Boy, oh boy. Nice suggestions (although hard to wrap my head around all details). This will be a killer sequencer either way! applause
enoughframes
miles_macquarrie wrote:


Excellent! Excited for this sequencer. Still on Track for April?


Many thanks !
We are doing our best to have the product ready to sell just after superbooth. One of the components we are using have a very tight delivery, we are pushing hard the supplier but is not in our hands, with the delivery times we have now we will start sending eloquencers two weeks after SuperBooth.

The official pre-order will be open soon.
Jumbuktu
radiokoala wrote:


2. A lot of KORG gear is using this nifty feature called "Active Step", where you remove steps from sequence, and it starts looping around those (8 / 7 / arbitrary number) that you leave.


I love this feature too. It used to be called 'skipping' steps on the old sequencers, and I think Tangerine Dream used it on Rubycon. I think the Doepfer Dark Time can do it as well. I don't know why more sequencers don't incorporate it.

Note that 'skipping a step' doesn't mean just turning off the trigger/gate output for the step (which many sequencers can do).
radiokoala
Hey, thanks guys, glad you like some of the ideas!

Wanted to clarify one point also, in the former post I said:

Quote:
Another example: I have an empty drum track (snare), and want to drop in a few hits, then go to empty again, then aim for a quick fill in / drum roll — well... three button presses and I'm there! w00t


— forgot to mention the active parameter here, would be gate probability.
enoughframes
radiokoala wrote:
Now, Eloi, thanks so much for listening to my and others' ideas, and (if you don't mind!), here's some more that I came with as I was thinking about ways to improve on user-machine interaction front. Very cool of you to take note of features I and other people suggest — be it here or on FB, — and is really exciting that you're willing to add more functionality to what already is an impressively capable and brilliant design! And pardon me that every time I come to this thread I write a paragraph worth of praise and compliments, but I really fell in love with it, well, at first sight. love

Thanks to you ! Many of the thing you mention can be done somehow. sorry for short answers, many work to do !

radiokoala wrote:

1. I really love being able to control the most crucial sound parameters in the most efficient way, so what I wanted to suggest is a possibility of altering those not only with encoder but also buttons. This would vastly increase the degree of control you can have playing live, and allow for sudden transitions impossible with using encoder alone (which goes between states smoothly). The way this would work is simple: if you activate this mode, whatever parameter you edit will also be mapped to 16 buttons, value increasing in order.

Likewise, imagine how great it would be when parameters like gate length, gate probability, shuffle degree etc are mapped like this: transform an even beat into chaos with one click, and back. Or if I suddenly feel the need for a few seconds of a free-jazz like lead line, I can press the last step button when editing cv probability range and instantly go into that territory. Once again, the main advantage of this is ability to switch between various states real quick and make this an element of performance.

In techno buildups toggling between A/B like this would be golden, as tracks often have transitions that just happen every n measures. This is also often tied up to the beginning of a bar, so you only have a few milliseconds to work with and should take action quickly, which is best accomplished with buttons. And a knob/encoder doesn't let you skip the values in between initial & desired, so it will always be crossfade-like effect, presumably not always what you are after.

Another example: I have an empty drum track (snare), and want to drop in a few hits, then go to empty again, then aim for a quick fill in / drum roll — well... three button presses and I'm there! w00t


There are many ways to do this, for example what I do when I have time to play (10 minutes a week) is to use the lightstrip to create a CV and send it to the eloquencer "CV IN" then I assign this CV to, for example, the GATE PROBABILITY or the GATE LENGTH PRBABILITY, then I move my finger and I bring the chaos !

I can also use the FILL IN function, pressing one or more trakc buttons you will activate all the gates in that track/s while pressing.

You can also assign the CV inputs to three different modes of FILL IN, and activate gates on desired tracks depending on the CV value. same for MUTE

radiokoala wrote:

2. Triplet functionality. I thought that it would really be cool if there was a way of bringing this in, like when you can select whether a particular track is playing regular or triplet notes. Interface-wise I'd possibly implement this as holding Function or other button and then pressing the 8 track buttons, which (in Triplet edit) would light up to indicate the selected mode.


You can assign triplets or doublets (or combinations of those with silences) to specific steps using the ratcheting function, as the other parameters you can assign the "CV in" to the ratcheting type or the ratcheting change probability.
There is also a way to change 16 steps at once

radiokoala wrote:

3. State recall page per pattern. This one is a special macro mode, where you can change between various preset states (parameters selected to your liking). To give an example, I could have it set like this:
button 1 = original pattern settings, b2 = step length 12, all tracks playing triplets, b3 = twice the tempo, step length 8. (And et cetera; as you see, a selection of important global parameters will undergo change).


Your last suggestion is always the more complicated smile Will see, I can't promise anything here.

Thanks again for your suggestions !

Eloi
Acquadar
Hi Eloi, it seems just the Best sequencer out there.
Please, find five minutes and take a look at the fugue machine sequencer app.
Tell me that is possible to do that with the Eloquencer...
enoughframes
Acquadar wrote:
Hi Eloi, it seems just the Best sequencer out there.
Please, find five minutes and take a look at the fugue machine sequencer app.
Tell me that is possible to do that with the Eloquencer...


Jajajaja ! You won't believe it !!! ... My first module attempt, that it was just a prototyping board, was called "bach on speed" and was a 2 voice "fugue bach style" CV generator with some adjustable parameters. In fact that module was the grandfather of eloquencer.

My test unit have burned when have heard the word "Multi-head-play"
Acquadar
I love you. Cant wait to buy your sequencer...
Daisuk
Acquadar wrote:
I love you. Cant wait to buy your sequencer...


Just chipping in with a useless reply to echo this. love Mr. Green we're not worthy
jwise
Gonna heap on this gratitude!
Orestis
Looking forward for this beast !! thumbs up
enoughframes
Acquadar wrote:
I love you. Cant wait to buy your sequencer...


Maybe you misunderstood me or maybe my joke was shit... when I said "My test unit have burned when have heard the word "Multi-head-play"" I was meaning that at this stage would be very difficult to implement. Anyway I keep the idea ! smile
Thanks !
bitbin
Really looking forward to hearing and seeing more on this.
Hope to see some videos on this soon!
Any idea on price yet?
atte
Price should be "not more than 500 euro + tax"...
Pausenraum
Already loving it! love
nectarios

GAME CHANGER!

And that price...cheaper than the Metro, Rene, Modcan touch, Circadian...wow
*Edit. I thought this was going to be not more than 500€ (I read a comment from Winter Modular), but its 665,50€ so yeah not cheaper than some of the aforementioned sequencers.
Jaypee
fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap...
wanne
nectarios wrote:

GAME CHANGER!

And that price...cheaper than the Metro, Rene, Modcan touch, Circadian...wow


couldnt resist to preorder but 677€ ,,,, Dead Banana
nectarios
wanne wrote:
nectarios wrote:

GAME CHANGER!

And that price...cheaper than the Metro, Rene, Modcan touch, Circadian...wow


couldnt resist to preorder but 677€ ,,,, Dead Banana

677? The site says 550€?
Scratch that, I just checked and its 550 excluding tax...
Daisuk
Just pre-ordered as well - this thing is going to be ace! w00t Mr. Green Anyone want my Varigate 8? Haha.

It really seems like such a brilliant design. Pretty much everything I've always wanted in a euro sequencer, I have to say. Absolutely brilliant work. Can't effin wait to get this one. smile
atte
Ouch, just pre-ordered as well. It was either this or the er-101.

There are still a few key features that I'm not sure is there, but let's see.

I'm still in doubt of my decision to go with this over er-101, but what made me go with the eloquencer:

1) Editing seems quick and intuitive with pressing a button for the step you want and the screen gives visual feedback

2) The random features seems just spot on for me

3) "Build-in" interface for muting, changing parts etc

4) For the er-101 to handle parts it needs the er-102 which is more $ and HP
nectarios
Daisuk wrote:
Mr. Green Anyone want my Varigate 8? Haha.


Anyone who wants a Modcan Touch Sequencer v1.2, just hit me up hihi

Damn...so much want for this sequencer...
nickbaba
Loving the look of this - very interested. Apologies if I've missed this mentioned elsewhere, but can this do the CV/Gate Tie thing that the Stillson Mkii can do?
eg CV values are muted (won't update) until the next active Gate.
Neo
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.
Cortega
Neo wrote:
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.



+1 for this, great idea
Daisuk
atte wrote:
Ouch, just pre-ordered as well. It was either this or the er-101.

There are still a few key features that I'm not sure is there, but let's see.

I'm still in doubt of my decision to go with this over er-101, but what made me go with the eloquencer:

1) Editing seems quick and intuitive with pressing a button for the step you want and the screen gives visual feedback

2) The random features seems just spot on for me

3) "Build-in" interface for muting, changing parts etc

4) For the er-101 to handle parts it needs the er-102 which is more $ and HP


I've had the ER-101, and whilst I know a lot of people really like it (so I'd be hard pressed to dis it), I'm pretty sure you took the right decision. wink OK, so the ER-101 can do longer patterns, but you can achieve the same thing by chaining patterns with song mode on the Eloquencer. Apart from that, the Eloquencer, to me anyway, just looks miles and miles ahead of the ER-101 in terms of user friendly interface. Add to that all the features the ER-101 doesn't have (as well as 8 channels, instead of 4).

Not meant as a dis of the ER-101, which is a powerful thing - but this just looks so much more immediate and feature packed to me.
atte
Thanks for the reassuring words, Daisuk.

Re: longer patterns:
One thing I didn't mention was that this new video showed a concept called "parts". So you place several patterns in a part, then build your song (either song mode or by changing live) from these parts. Quite a clever and flexible way of handling structure. Eloi more or less confirmed on FB that this is what parts are.
granville
Are the CV outputs always quantized? I see lots of scale options, would hope you're not limited to quantized pitch.

Also - is there slide/glide?
atte
granville wrote:
Are the CV outputs always quantized? I see lots of scale options, would hope you're not limited to quantized pitch.


A while back Eloi said it's quantized to steps of 1/12 V (chromatic scale) for now, but that he's working on un-quantized voltages.
nectarios
granville wrote:
Are the CV outputs always quantized? I see lots of scale options, would hope you're not limited to quantized pitch.

Also - is there slide/glide?

Yeah I asked for glide in their post, no answer yet. Not a deal breaker if its not available, but if it is, it seals the deal.

Also waiting to see what the gate out voltage is to make sure it strikes the Make Noise LPGs.
Southfork
Looks like a winner. Like varigate8 with more cv outs any way more visual feedback... take my money d'oh!
D Beau
Really excited for this, though I'm not 100% certain I'll enjoy the interface (buttons?! A screen?!!). If I get along well with it, it could effectively replace an entire 3U of modules for me (Metro, Tirana, Turing, Varigate 4, even A-156 if I'm not mistaken). The 64,000 dollar question is: do I want one module to do that much? I sure hope so, cause that feature set is just SOOO ideal, and could really take my setup to the next level.

Very nice price too. Well worth a gamble.
nickbaba
Quote:
Apologies if I've missed this mentioned elsewhere, but can this do the CV/Gate Tie thing that the Stillson Mkii can do?
eg CV values are muted (won't update) until the next active Gate.


Anyone? Eloi?
mokomo
Already purchased so my negotiating edge is weakened screaming goo yo but any chance of a tuner function? E.g. Feed two voices into the inputs and auto-calibrate to pitch?
Daisuk
nickbaba wrote:
Quote:
Apologies if I've missed this mentioned elsewhere, but can this do the CV/Gate Tie thing that the Stillson Mkii can do?
eg CV values are muted (won't update) until the next active Gate.


Anyone? Eloi?


Eloi and Winter Modular are on their way to Superbooth, so I imagine he won't be too responsive in the next few days. smile
fywzheng
This sequencer vs Zetaohm Fluxus One? Both look so good. Fluxus One has less channels (4) but you get extra cv out per channel, plus you can do Rene style XY sequencing. Eloquencer does look so easy to use with two info screens.
mokomo
Zetaohm looks great featurewise. Not so hot on their Monstermunch keypad design though. It is a tight contest. EU buyer probably end up with a better price to their door after tax wih the eloquencer, plus I like the interface.

Hopefully some glide, slew/adsr might be featured.
nearly ghost
Couldn't resist this either ordered one this morning. Also curious about glides on the CV. Sold my beloved teletype to fund it im already convinced it will be worth it. screaming goo yo
ugokcen
I want the Zetaohm for just to sit there and look at. Eloquencer seems more useful. Too bad I can't afford either at the moment cry
nearly ghost
ugokcen wrote:
I want the Zetaohm for just to sit there and look at. Eloquencer seems more useful. Too bad I can't afford either at the moment cry


That thing totally looks like its on acid!
windspirit
I think there are enough differences between both that there will be enough room,plus the tracker seq which looks awesome as well. Being across the pond from eachother will also help keep the markets insulated a bit. I am going for the fluxus because I like the rainbow aesthetic and the midi clock in and out is a big plus for me, (also Tenkai is a friend) but this module looks wonderful and I hope it is very sucessful.
general elektrick
Hi Guys,

tempeted to preorder! Nice concept!Is the tempo in BPM and does anybody know what is the tempo range?
And can songs, parts and pattern be individually named?
Jaypee
7 René on Modulargrid since yesterday hihi


I don't have a Cirklon, but I see that Eloquencer like a mini Cirklon!
atte
fywzheng wrote:
This sequencer vs Zetaohm Fluxus One?


I think is basicslly boils down to the amount of weet you smoke.
akrylik
nearly ghost wrote:
Couldn't resist this either ordered one this morning. Also curious about glides on the CV. Sold my beloved teletype to fund it im already convinced it will be worth it. screaming goo yo


Must have been quite loved indeed! hihi
brandonlogic
atte wrote:
fywzheng wrote:
This sequencer vs Zetaohm Fluxus One?


I think is basicslly boils down to the amount of weet you smoke.


I ordered both eek!
Figured I'll be using this mostly for sequencing samples and percussion, and the flxs1 for crazy melodies and modulation!
nearly ghost
akrylik wrote:
nearly ghost wrote:
Couldn't resist this either ordered one this morning. Also curious about glides on the CV. Sold my beloved teletype to fund it im already convinced it will be worth it. screaming goo yo


Must have been quite loved indeed! hihi


Im usually in the unfortunate position if i want to try a new module i need to sell something to fund it! I would love to keep both of course very frustrating
brandonlogic
Quote:
atte wrote:
What I'd like know is:
* can each track run at different clock divisions/multiplications


It is planned to do, but it's not done yet.
[/quote]

Once this is implemented, could you make an option so that it advances to the next sequence when the track with slowest clock division finishes when linking sequences together?
mokomo
superbooth
Sweetfiltersweep
Hi Eloy, congratulations on this wonderful modul. thumbs up

It is possible on the first release to choose diferent gates modes and pulse counts like on the Intellijel Metropolis?

If not, would it possible to add this function in a future update?
NoobOlar
enoughframes wrote:
Hi all !
I'm Eloi from Winter Modular.


Hi Eloi, great stuff!!!

In a video from Superbooth I saw your idea/protoype of Eloquencer stand-alone box

I think it's a great idea!!!

If possible make it so that the stand alone case is just that, a powered case but with the possibility to take the Eloquencer out of the stand-alone case and put it into any other case just as a normal module. I guess this is what you were already thinking anyway

At 12:37 in this video
ugokcen
+1 on the standalone version thumbs up. Cheaper than getting a new case!
Jaypee
Any chance to convert eurorack version to standalone version?

Pre-ordered one It's peanut butter jelly time!
nectarios
This is (imo always) head and shoulders the best sequencer at the price point.
It costs about the same as Circadian Rhythms, but has individual track length (for starters anyway) and adds like 8 Metropolis with more CV steps, on top and shares Varigate's awesome probability and ratcheting settings.

Amazing.
pechnatunk
Firstly, apologies - I'm not a Eurorack fiend just yet.


Still - this sequencer looks amazing - got some questions.

I have a selection of hardware synths and effects - Roland, Korg/Yamaha, Novation, Control Synthesis etc that can accept CV/Gate - can the gate type and CV range be set per track to deal with the different standards used by these instruments?

Will there be Portamento and/or Glide? Could this be configurable - speed or triggered at start or end of a note? Or some other "smoothness control".

What would be required to add midi output via a mod - notes/CCs and/or Midi/DIN sync?

I'm not familiar with Arduino but I know my way around Max/MSP - however, midi output without having to use a computer would be so much better.


Thanks,
fourhexagons
As everyone is saying, the Eloquencer looks impressive. Great work. I love how the red display allows the user to see all the gate/trigger events at once.

It appears, however, that gate/trigger delay is not yet available on a per-step or per-track basis. Is this something you plan to implement? Such a feature just might be the only thing keeping me from choosing this over the Varigate 8+.

Also, with a feature such as this, would it then be possible to allow for recorded CV/gate data to be NOT quantized? That is, allowing a part to be recorded as-performed so that it retains the exact rhythm of the original performance. Providing an option to allow for unquantized as well as quantized recording or perhaps being able to apply quantization to any track would be ideal.

This is a feature of the Squarp Pyramid that I find immensely useful. To be able to use it as a MIDI looper, performing in parts and having it record them with the exact timing feel of the performance. Quantization is great and a most useful tool, but in my opinion, music starts to come alive once certain elements can be freed from the grid and shifted around like plate tectonics. Then you can create a pocket/groove that adds a deeper dimension to the feel.

Thanks for entertaining my questions / suggestions.
brandonlogic
yes! i would love to see delay setting per step on this too
Daisuk
+3 on delay per step and unquantized recordings! smile

Eloi said in one of the Superbooth videos that he'd continue to develop the software, and that he was stoked to put new features in, so that promises well for the development of the module.

I honestly can't wait for this, looks bloody amazing. Mr. Green
atte
Eloi said that multi step gate length is first on the list, which makes sense. To me that seems like a glaring omission...
bitbin
The ability to record CV into the unit would be great. I loved recording CV into the ER101/102 from the CV/Gate of my SH101's arpeggiator.

Could this be a possibility in future - perhaps as an additional expander?
nearly ghost
Daisuk wrote:
+3 on delay per step and unquantized recordings! smile

Eloi said in one of the Superbooth videos that he'd continue to develop the software, and that he was stoked to put new features in, so that promises well for the development of the module.

I honestly can't wait for this, looks bloody amazing. Mr. Green


+4 on these requests, this module is gonna Rockin' Banana!
nickbaba
Quote:
Eloi said that multi step gate length is first on the list


Does multi-step gate length here mean variable gate lengths per individual step? Or gates that stay open (or tie together) over several steps?
fourhexagons
Hi Eloi (and anyone else who has one of these),

I'm curious as to how accurate the CV outs are, and [edit] if the sequencer uses 12, 14 or 16-bit conversion.

Could anyone post their voltage readings for each output starting at 0V and increasing 1 volt at a time for the entire range?

Here's an example where the left column is the intended voltage, and the right column is the actual voltage reading:

0V = 0.001V
1V = 1.000V
2V = 2.000V
3V = 2.999V
4V = 3.998V
5V = 4.997V
6V = 5.996V

And here's a template for what I'm asking with Eloquencer (assuming that the outs are 0-6V):

Track A

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track B

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track C

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track D

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track E

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track F

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track G

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

Track H

0V =
1V =
2V =
3V =
4V =
5V =
6V =

And if anyone just can't manage to be so thorough, limiting your readings to at least one or two outputs would still be very helpful.

Thank you in advance.
enoughframes
Hi Guys !

It's Eloi. The demand has far exceeded our expectations. and we are currently swamped with preparations.These have been very intense days.
I hope you can understand, but we are going to focus on getting everything ready for shipping and may not be able to answer question for the next days.
Once we have prepared and sent the first batch then we ( me or Miguel ) will try to answer your questions, doubts or suggestions as soon as possible.
I hope that you will understand the situation, our first priority is to start sending units from 15th of May.

Eloi
fourhexagons
enoughframes wrote:
Hi Guys !

It's Eloi. The demand has far exceeded our expectations. and we are currently swamped with preparations.These have been very intense days.
I hope you can understand, but we are going to focus on getting everything ready for shipping and may not be able to answer question for the next days.
Once we have prepared and sent the first batch then we ( me or Miguel ) will try to answer your questions, doubts or suggestions as soon as possible.
I hope that you will understand the situation, our first priority is to start sending units from 15th of May.

Eloi

Thanks for your transparency, Eloi. Wishing you all well with your launch!
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:
Hi Guys !

It's Eloi. The demand has far exceeded our expectations. and we are currently swamped with preparations.These have been very intense days.
I hope you can understand, but we are going to focus on getting everything ready for shipping and may not be able to answer question for the next days.
Once we have prepared and sent the first batch then we ( me or Miguel ) will try to answer your questions, doubts or suggestions as soon as possible.
I hope that you will understand the situation, our first priority is to start sending units from 15th of May.

Eloi


Awesome! Congrats on the sales and good luck in the weeks to come! thumbs up
_lex
hey all smile

i missed out on the presale for may 15th :( if anyone has a change of heart or needs to give up their place in line, please hit me up! smile
atte
The first batch seems to be gone, will there be a second run? If so, when will it approximately appear?

I think I might need one for the other case as well w00t

EDIT Webpage says "Sold out. Next batch coming soon." thumbs up
Jaypee
Yes, the first batch gone (100 ex) and I'm in! nanners
F***ing can't wait!
Waldemar
How many modules was the first batch?
atte
Jaypee Suggested 100 I think...
Waldemar
atte wrote:
Jaypee Suggested 100 I think...


ok, thank you for the information. Happy that i'm in ;-)
Jaypee
Very curious about the LFO Mode!

Hope we can chose different waveforms, apply different phase, sequence the width for example...*dreaming*
djthopa
Im so in! Made it to the first batch Rockin' Banana!
nrg242
does anyone know the module depth? thinking about cramming this into a frap tools plus 42hp case.

also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?
brandonlogic
nrg242 wrote:
does anyone know the module depth? thinking about cramming this into a frap tools plus 42hp case.

also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?


Good question, I'm order 197. If we miss the first batch how long will we have to wait?????!!!!!
The "Sold out. Next batch coming soon" message that's on the site now wasn't there when I ordered though so I hope the order number isn't related
nrg242
yeah, i may have to give a Squarp a test run if its going to be a while in between batches. i'm order #247.
Daisuk
nrg242 wrote:
does anyone know the module depth? thinking about cramming this into a frap tools plus 42hp case.

also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?


Looks pretty slim, check bottom of the winter modular website. It says max depth 3cm with connector.
miguel_eedl
nrg242 wrote:
does anyone know the module depth? thinking about cramming this into a frap tools plus 42hp case.

also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?


Hi Guys, I'm Miguel. I work with Eloi helping him on design & usability related matters. I'm also helping him a bit with support lately.
He has commented before on the Facebook page that the order numbers are not related to the stock. If you were able to place an order then you made it to the first batch. He is not taking preorders for the second batch yet.
nrg242
miguel_eedl wrote:
nrg242 wrote:
does anyone know the module depth? thinking about cramming this into a frap tools plus 42hp case.

also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?


Hi Guys, I'm Miguel. I work with Eloi helping him on design & usability related matters. I'm also helping him a bit with support lately.
He has commented before on the Facebook page that the order numbers are not related to the stock. If you were able to place an order then you made it to the first batch. He is not taking preorders for the second batch yet.


Thanks Miguel. appreciate all the work and communication you guys have during this time.

Thanks Daisuk. missed that somehow.
ugokcen
Hey Miguel, great to have you here! Quick question: I saw a standalone version of the Eloquencer in one of the Superbooth videos, is that something you guys are planning soon? I'm asking cause the only thing that stopped me from getting in on the pre-order was that I didn't have enough space in my rack. I'm sure other wigglers will relate. hihi
WaveRider
...as I begin to work with tip top drum modules, I realize there is not a really good sequencer to work with those sounds!!!!

you need a CV for accent level per step
and another CV for tune -per step- to push it further

so an xox style drum programming should be done on 3 rows: trig, CV1, CV2. Do not even talk to me about programming drums without velocity, I leave that to others hihi
miguel_eedl
ugokcen wrote:
Hey Miguel, great to have you here! Quick question: I saw a standalone version of the Eloquencer in one of the Superbooth videos, is that something you guys are planning soon? I'm asking cause the only thing that stopped me from getting in on the pre-order was that I didn't have enough space in my rack. I'm sure other wigglers will relate. hihi


Hi Ugokcen,
There are plans to sell the standalone case as a bundle (eloquencer+case) or just the case. This is quite likely to happen but we don't know when yet. Right now all the efforts are focused on delivering the first batches in time so we don't have much time to study it and come up with realistic estimates. Hopefully we can give dates after the second batch is ready.
miguel_eedl
WaveRider wrote:
...as I begin to work with tip top drum modules, I realize there is not a really good sequencer to work with those sounds!!!!

you need a CV for accent level per step
and another CV for tune -per step- to push it further

so an xox style drum programming should be done on 3 rows: trig, CV1, CV2. Do not even talk to me about programming drums without velocity, I leave that to others hihi


In the original 808's 909's etc... the accent is common for all the voices, for realistic x0x beats the aux output in the eloquencer can be used with a mult to send gates to the accent inputs of the tip tops.
WaveRider
miguel_eedl wrote:

In the original 808's 909's etc... the accent is common for all the voices, for realistic x0x beats the aux output in the eloquencer can be used with a mult to send gates to the accent inputs of the tip tops.


yes you are right about the originals, but in modular we can do more, if you want to exploit the tip top modules, you have that option. Yes 1 global accent track can still do a lot I agree.

I'll have to read the manual about the aux output then, thanks
neilmcm1975
any update on the release date yet.
atte
I think the release date is May 15, as it has been from the beginning...
Jaypee
atte wrote:
I think the release date is May 15, as it has been from the beginning...


would be cool if WM guys can confirm? smile
I just can't wait! Dead Banana
Daisuk
Has anyone heard in any of the videos whether you can transpose patterns from the module itself and/or transpose patterns with incoming CV? I mean, I assume you can, but not sure I've heard Eloi talk about it. smile
pauk
hi daisuk, yes, you can,
there are some different options for the 2 CV INs, and one is CV add, and you can select which channels to affect
Daisuk
pauk wrote:
hi daisuk, yes, you can,
there are some different options for the 2 CV INs, and one is CV add, and you can select which channels to affect


Awesome. Thanks a lot for the swift response! smile
Alexander Kuznetsov
miguel_eedl
When are you going to release pdf manual?
miguel_eedl
Hi,

Regarding the release date. The first pre-ordered units will be shipped starting may 15 in order of purchase. There is a second batch coming (soon we hope), but we still don't know the dates nor can give an estimation at this point.
You can sign up to our Newsletter at www.winter-modular.com to be notified when the next batch is available.

Regarding the manual. We are working on the final revisions now, it will be released next week in time for the shipment of the first bath.
Daisuk
What order number did the orders start on? Trying to figure out whether I can expect mine to pop up within a couple of weeks or not. Mr. Green

Been watching the quick features video again today, and just blown away at how well designed this thing seems. So many useful functions implemented, and the interface just seems such a breeze to use.
ignatius
miguel_eedl hey man.. just want to give a shout out for your tunes.. many classic jams and looking forward to more smile
atte
Daisuk wrote:
What order number did the orders start on? Trying to figure out whether I can expect mine to pop up within a couple of weeks or not.


I might be naive, but I expect mine to ship monday, since I pretty much ordered when the pre-orders opened. My order number is 176.
Jaypee
I'm #198.
They ship in order of purchase.
But, how long does it take to produce 1 sequencer?

Sorry for asking, I really can't wait! love
brandonlogic
atte wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
What order number did the orders start on? Trying to figure out whether I can expect mine to pop up within a couple of weeks or not.


I might be naive, but I expect mine to ship monday, since I pretty much ordered when the pre-orders opened. My order number is 176.


miguel_eedl wrote:
nrg242 wrote:


also if 100 units is the first batch, does that correspond to the order #?


Hi Guys, I'm Miguel. I work with Eloi helping him on design & usability related matters. I'm also helping him a bit with support lately.
He has commented before on the Facebook page that the order numbers are not related to the stock. If you were able to place an order then you made it to the first batch. He is not taking preorders for the second batch yet.
Alexander Kuznetsov
miguel_eedl wrote:
Hi,

Regarding the release date. The first pre-ordered units will be shipped starting may 15 in order of purchase. There is a second batch coming (soon we hope), but we still don't know the dates nor can give an estimation at this point.
You can sign up to our Newsletter at www.winter-modular.com to be notified when the next batch is available.

Regarding the manual. We are working on the final revisions now, it will be released next week in time for the shipment of the first bath.


Thanks! thumbs up
Daisuk
atte wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
What order number did the orders start on? Trying to figure out whether I can expect mine to pop up within a couple of weeks or not.


I might be naive, but I expect mine to ship monday, since I pretty much ordered when the pre-orders opened. My order number is 176.


Ah, nice, I'm 175. It just took a while for the order confirmation to come through, so not sure where in the line I was. Should be one of the first then. Thanks. smile
miguel_eedl
ignatius wrote:
miguel_eedl hey man.. just want to give a shout out for your tunes.. many classic jams and looking forward to more smile


Hey Ignatius! thanks smile
miguel_eedl
Daisuk wrote:
What order number did the orders start on? Trying to figure out whether I can expect mine to pop up within a couple of weeks or not. Mr. Green


I don't have information about how the order numbers work but don't worry, the production speed is good so far.
nearly ghost
Just wondering if anyone had shipping notification today yet?
Waldemar
nearly ghost wrote:
Just wondering if anyone had shipping notification today yet?


If you under 100 you got an E-Mail.
jwise
Waldemar wrote:
nearly ghost wrote:
Just wondering if anyone had shipping notification today yet?


If you under 100 you got an E-Mail.


And the email let us know that Eloi had a hiccup on getting the packing materials in time to start shipping today but he thought it would still start this week.
Daisuk
I have to say I chuckled a bit at the sweet email from Winter Modular. "We're so very sorry it's 3 days late!". I mean, 3 DAYS late? Is that even considered late in the euro cirkus? I'd say you're pretty much way ahead of schedule if you're just three days late from your initial shipping plan. I didn't expect this to ship until the end of July when they said mid-May a few months back. lol applause Great going, Winter Modular, communication has been excellent all along, very much appreciate that!
atte
But I want it now hihi
Costo
I just received the email screaming goo yo

I was #183, but Eloi said in the mail that the first order was #156, meaning I'd be #27...

Anyways, I'm thrilled they're so much in schedule, can't wait to put my hands on it applause
nearly ghost
I didn't receive any email so thanks for the update. My order number was #181 I'm as eager as the rest of you to get my hands on this bad boy It's peanut butter jelly time!
NoobOlar
Neo wrote:
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.


Any info on this to for example input notes into the sequencer (real time / quantised / step recording) via the pitched 1v/oct output of something like a Qnexus, Beat Step Pro, Waldorf KB37...?
Waldemar
Hello Eloi, hello Team,

do you send out the first sequencer?
miguel_eedl
Waldemar wrote:
Hello Eloi, hello Team,

do you send out the first sequencer?


We did, shippings started Wednesday.
Waldemar
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
Hello Eloi, hello Team,

do you send out the first sequencer?


We did, shippings started Wednesday.

love
davide3737
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
Hello Eloi, hello Team,

do you send out the first sequencer?


We did, shippings started Wednesday.


And the manual?
Waldemar
One question maybe this is answered.
If i stop a pattern this will be immediately or after the sequence?
atte
Anyone got a tracking ID or shipping notice on their eloquencer?
Waldemar
atte wrote:
Anyone got a tracking ID or shipping notice on their eloquencer?

No. Order#207
brandonlogic
Quote:
Ratchet
In terms of clock divisions in each step, ratchet in our case, you can do doublet or triplet in each step, or doublets or triplets with silences. Something like:

Any plan on increasing tuplets from x3 max to at least x8?
nearly ghost
atte wrote:
Anyone got a tracking ID or shipping notice on their eloquencer?


Yes! hyper Super fast delivery to boot, im expecting it Monday with tnt express nanners
atte
Ok, strange I didn't hear anything, will try patience...
Daisuk
nearly ghost wrote:
atte wrote:
Anyone got a tracking ID or shipping notice on their eloquencer?


Yes! hyper Super fast delivery to boot, im expecting it Monday with tnt express nanners


Nice! What order number were you? I haven't heard anything yet, but expecting to hear something next week. smile Ah, just saw you were 181. I'm 175. Hmmm. Oh, well.
atte
Sounds odd...
miguel_eedl
Waldemar wrote:
One question maybe this is answered.
If i stop a pattern this will be immediately or after the sequence?


It will stop immediately, it will not wait for the end of the sequence.
nearly ghost
Daisuk wrote:
nearly ghost wrote:
atte wrote:
Anyone got a tracking ID or shipping notice on their eloquencer?


Yes! hyper Super fast delivery to boot, im expecting it Monday with tnt express nanners


Nice! What order number were you? I haven't heard anything yet, but expecting to hear something next week. smile Ah, just saw you were 181. I'm 175. Hmmm. Oh, well.


Quite weird it's true. I guess I got lucky on this occasion.
jwise
Daisuk wrote:

Nice! What order number were you? I haven't heard anything yet, but expecting to hear something next week. smile Ah, just saw you were 181. I'm 175. Hmmm. Oh, well.


Just heard from Elos, besides being at the limit of what can get finished in a day he let me know that units did in fact start shipping on Thursday but that for whatever reason some of us did not get tracking numbers. He will look into it on Monday with UPS and determine what went wrong with notifications.
nearly ghost
I actually spoke to him Thursday due to a problem with my address, he was definitely on the case I rekon. Maybe I got a TNT notification then as I got express shipping?
Waldemar
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
One question maybe this is answered.
If i stop a pattern this will be immediately or after the sequence?


It will stop immediately, it will not wait for the end of the sequence.


Please it is possible in a future firmware update?
Daisuk
jwise wrote:
Daisuk wrote:

Nice! What order number were you? I haven't heard anything yet, but expecting to hear something next week. smile Ah, just saw you were 181. I'm 175. Hmmm. Oh, well.


Just heard from Elos, besides being at the limit of what can get finished in a day he let me know that units did in fact start shipping on Thursday but that for whatever reason some of us did not get tracking numbers. He will look into it on Monday with UPS and determine what went wrong with notifications.


Ah, ok, yeah, thanks! I'm sure it'll appear soon enough either way. Thanks for the info though. smile
miguel_eedl
Don't worry smile https://www.instagram.com/p/BUUznTMDJDB/
miguel_eedl
Waldemar wrote:
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
One question maybe this is answered.
If i stop a pattern this will be immediately or after the sequence?


It will stop immediately, it will not wait for the end of the sequence.


Please it is possible in a future firmware update?


It would be nice to fully understand in which cases you'll need that, since having the sequencer stop immediately is very useful too. You can send us a message describing the behaviour and why it would be useful to our facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/wintermodular/

In any case, triggering an empty pattern may have the effect you are looking for.
wanne
miguel_eedl wrote:
Don't worry smile https://www.instagram.com/p/BUUznTMDJDB/


uhhhh nice nanners

there must be #169 lying around somewhere Rockin' Banana!
Waldemar
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
miguel_eedl wrote:
Waldemar wrote:
One question maybe this is answered.
If i stop a pattern this will be immediately or after the sequence?


It will stop immediately, it will not wait for the end of the sequence.


Please it is possible in a future firmware update?


It would be nice to fully understand in which cases you'll need that, since having the sequencer stop immediately is very useful too. You can send us a message describing the behaviour and why it would be useful to our facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/wintermodular/

In any case, triggering an empty pattern may have the effect you are looking for.



I have no facebook. I think both will be useful. In my case if i have a melody it would be helpful.
Daisuk
'elo! Now, to count down the hours until 8 o' clock to get some time to play it. applause Guinness ftw!



Order #175 sent from Barcelona on the 18th, arrived in Oslo today. smile
wanne
arrived just 2 hours ago here in germany !! Rockin' Banana!

is pendulum mode working for the lucky guys out there ??
looks like its not at the moment !?
also track length is not working....?
jwise
Now I'll get to witness the efficiency of the carrier as I'm in the western United States, as mine went out on Thursday too! Congrats central Europeans on getting your hands on the Eloquencer.
enoughframes
wanne wrote:
arrived just 2 hours ago here in germany !! Rockin' Banana!

is pendulum mode working for the lucky guys out there ??
looks like its not at the moment !?
also track length is not working....?


Pendulum works but it's a slave of master track. Master track resets all the slave tracks when reaches its end.
You have many possibilities here:
- Release that track from Mastertrack (OPTIONS > Reset track config) and release a track using the track button (light means "slave of master track, no light means free from master track).
- Choose that track with pendolum as a Master track, now the pattern will be as long as that track doing a complete pendolum.
- Increase the amount of Master Track internal to allow the other track to finish its cycle (ex: 32)

Track length works:
- press start and end step at the same time to define the limits of the track
wanne
enoughframes wrote:
wanne wrote:
arrived just 2 hours ago here in germany !! Rockin' Banana!

is pendulum mode working for the lucky guys out there ??
looks like its not at the moment !?
also track length is not working....?


Pendulum works but it's a slave of master track. Master track resets all the slave tracks when reaches its end.
You have many possibilities here:
- Release that track from Mastertrack (OPTIONS > Reset track config) and release a track using the track button (light means "slave of master track, no light means free from master track).
- Choose that track with pendolum as a Master track, now the pattern will be as long as that track doing a complete pendolum.
- Increase the amount of Master Track internal to allow the other track to finish its cycle (ex: 32)

Track length works:
- press start and end step at the same time to define the limits of the track


thx

do you have the manual ??
enoughframes
Hi again !

Regarding the shipment and the tracking numbers. The shipment company had made a mistake in the configuration of our account so they were not sending the notifications.

They told me that they are trying to send it manually for the firsts 20 units.
In theory for the next orders (those sent today and after) it will be done automatically.

I can't answer all the emails asking for a tracking number, well I can smile , but then next shipping won't be ready for tomorrow.

We are doing our best and a little bit more to send you the units on time.
Daisuk
First little track made with Eloquencer (having used it for a bit over an hour). It sounds very proto and boring (not much time paid to "sound design", so to speak), just made it to check how easily you could create small variations - and let me tell you, the workflow is sweeet! The duplicate function is just ... yyyyyeeeees. Looove it. love

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/firstelo[/s]

I made 7 patterns and basically switch a bit between them. Nothing special, but it showcases how easily you can create variations with this thing.

I really, really like the Eloquencer so far, and I can see myself digging to use this for track creation once the navigating becomes muscle memory (which won't be long, as navigating it is a breeze). Most of the features are very self explanatory, easy to navigate around.

One thing I haven't really figured out yet is how to go from being inside a function menu (say Mute mode), and how to go back to normal editing mode without stopping the sequencer (I tend to press the start/stop button and either cv or gate to get back to editing, but is there another way?). I also was under the impression that division per track was possible, but I had read wrong and it's not at this point, which isn't a big deal at all, but it will be even more excellent when that sees daylight, I think. smile

Excellent first impression, I have to say! Looking much forward to digging more into it and reading the manual when it becomes available. Well done, Winter Modular! applause
atte
Please stop the tease, mine is still two days away hihi
wanne
division you can find in step mode !

i also love the handling of this thing instantly and what came to my mind very quick....selling my stillson hammer (still buggy as sht imo.)
need space for the fluxus in july anyway..... nanners
Daisuk
wanne wrote:
division you can find in step mode !

i also love the handling of this thing instantly and what came to my mind very quick....selling my stillson hammer (still buggy as sht imo.)
need space for the fluxus in july anyway..... nanners


Ahhhh, division IS in there! Sweet! Just found it. Thanks a lot for pointing that out. Awesome. Mr. Green thumbs up

atte - it'll be so worth the wait! w00t Mr. Green
enoughframes
Daisuk wrote:


One thing I haven't really figured out yet is how to go from being inside a function menu (say Mute mode), and how to go back to normal editing mode without stopping the sequencer (I tend to press the start/stop button and either cv or gate to get back to editing, but is there another way?). I also was under the impression that division per track was possible, but I had read wrong and it's not at this point, which isn't a big deal at all, but it will be even more excellent when that sees daylight, I think. smile


If you press any of the step edition modes you can leave the function area.

Division is inside step mode. Called "DIV". Choose tracks, and push encoder to change the number of divisions

Sorry guys ! Manual is coming, We will have a first version tomorrow. Miguel from EEDL and Tom from Befaco are helping me with this.
brandonlogic
Daisuk wrote:
I also was under the impression that division per track was possible, but I had read wrong and it's not at this point, which isn't a big deal at all, but it will be even more excellent when that sees daylight, I think. smile

i think he said clock division/mult settings per step are on the list.

i was hoping ratcheting/tuplets could be increased from x3 max but he said processing might not handle it.

the varigate 8, for example, could do up to x16 ratcheting/tuplets
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:


If you press any of the step edition modes you can leave the function area.

Sorry guys ! Manual is coming, We will have a first version tomorrow. Miguel from EEDL and Tom from Befaco are helping me with this.


Haha, it was that easy? Damn. How the hell could I miss that. d'oh! lol
No worries, not expecting any support at this point at all, I know you're swamped with work! smile
nearly ghost
Daisuk wrote:
First little track made with Eloquencer (having used it for a bit over an hour). It sounds very proto and boring (not much time paid to "sound design", so to speak), just made it to check how easily you could create small variations - and let me tell you, the workflow is sweeet! The duplicate function is just ... yyyyyeeeees. Looove it. love

[s]http://soundcloud.com/green-gym/firstelo[/s]

I made 7 patterns and basically switch a bit between them. Nothing special, but it showcases how easily you can create variations with this thing.

I really, really like the Eloquencer so far, and I can see myself digging to use this for track creation once the navigating becomes muscle memory (which won't be long, as navigating it is a breeze). Most of the features are very self explanatory, easy to navigate around.

One thing I haven't really figured out yet is how to go from being inside a function menu (say Mute mode), and how to go back to normal editing mode without stopping the sequencer (I tend to press the start/stop button and either cv or gate to get back to editing, but is there another way?). I also was under the impression that division per track was possible, but I had read wrong and it's not at this point, which isn't a big deal at all, but it will be even more excellent when that sees daylight, I think. smile

Excellent first impression, I have to say! Looking much forward to digging more into it and reading the manual when it becomes available. Well done, Winter Modular! applause


Sounds great! Can't wait to get mine now screaming goo yo
Multi Grooves
Is there an eta for the second run: 2, 4 or 6 months?
general elektrick
Multi Grooves wrote:
Is there an eta for the second run: 2, 4 or 6 months?

I would like to know that as well, as I will need to sell another sequenzer to afford the eloquenzer...
miguel_eedl
A first revision of the manual is already available on the website.

Here's the direct link: http://winter-modular.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Eloquencer_Manual .pdf
Daisuk
miguel_eedl wrote:
A first revision of the manual is already available on the website.

Here's the direct link: http://winter-modular.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Eloquencer_Manual .pdf


Awesome. Quickly delivered. Well written! Thanks. smile
Jaypee
Awesome!
Will receive mine by tomorrow! smile

What about LFO mode Eloi?
Sorry, I can't wait!

Thanks for the manual!
Daisuk
Oooh, man, honeymoon and all that, but having used this for several more hours now, I just have to say it - the workflow on this sequencer is just bloody excellent. So well thought out (at least for my needs). I've had a host of "compositional" sequencers over the years (Octatrack, Analog 4, Monomachine, Cirklon, Maschine Studio, Sequencer 1, Social Entropy Engine, Varigate 8 and a host of other euro sequencers), and while they're all powerful in their own right, I haven't quite flown across the interface like I'm doing with the Eloquencer (even this early). Building a track from scratch is just a breeze - which is just key, in my opinion. It's easy to jump between tracks and patterns, improvising or creating parts is easy and logical, creating variations to an already existing pattern is easy, navigation is excellent with the markings on the faceplate and by using the little screen. Very intuitive in use.

I know, I know, honeymoon and all, and I should probably hold back on the final judgement, but the first impressions could seriously not have been better. All the features I've been wanting in a sequencer myself are just there, and they just work (haven't come across a single bug yet), and they're easy to find, and it's logically designed. Jackpot! applause
atte
I get that you say honeymoon to brace yourself. But we probably all had those anti-honeymoon modules, that resisted practical use for a long time, some even to the point that we had to sell them.

So honeymoon in this context is a good thing, you not only want to love it, you actually love it and find it amazing and easy to work with.

And mine is coming tomorrow w00t
nearly ghost
Daisuk wrote:
Oooh, man, honeymoon and all that, but having used this for several more hours now, I just have to say it - the workflow on this sequencer is just bloody excellent. So well thought out (at least for my needs). I've had a host of "compositional" sequencers over the years (Octatrack, Analog 4, Monomachine, Cirklon, Maschine Studio, Sequencer 1, Social Entropy Engine, Varigate 8 and a host of other euro sequencers), and while they're all powerful in their own right, I haven't quite flown across the interface like I'm doing with the Eloquencer (even this early). Building a track from scratch is just a breeze - which is just key, in my opinion. It's easy to jump between tracks and patterns, improvising or creating parts is easy and logical, creating variations to an already existing pattern is easy, navigation is excellent with the markings on the faceplate and by using the little screen. Very intuitive in use.

I know, I know, honeymoon and all, and I should probably hold back on the final judgement, but the first impressions could seriously not have been better. All the features I've been wanting in a sequencer myself are just there, and they just work (haven't come across a single bug yet), and they're easy to find, and it's logically designed. Jackpot! applause


Great news! Thanks for sharing your first impressions. I should get mine today just been on the phone with tnt It's peanut butter jelly time!
atte
If I understand the manual correctly, I already have at least one feature request for coming firmware: being able to play any note and have the cv variations happen in a certain scale. It seems that the selected scale forces entered CV into the scale, which is useful, UT it would be great to be able to decouple them so I can use any note for non-random notes and have random happen within a scale...
Daisuk
atte wrote:
I get that you say honeymoon to brace yourself. But we probably all had those anti-honeymoon modules, that resisted practical use for a long time, some even to the point that we had to sell them.

So honeymoon in this context is a good thing, you not only want to love it, you actually love it and find it amazing and easy to work with.

And mine is coming tomorrow w00t


Oh, definitely! I've come to expect to be a bit disappointed whenever I've looked this much forward to a piece of gear. Haven't been this time around though. Seriously loving this thing. So much to explore.

Here's a little track I made with it over the past couple of hours. Please just ignore if I'm spamming, just thought I'd post in case anyone would be interested. Here's 8 different patterns being jammed about with to try to create some sort of structure. I'm improvising which patterns are playing, so it's not super tight or well thought out or anything, but yeah, there's a certain evolution to what is going on in it anyway!

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/eifah[/s]

I've also noticed now that mutes aren't saved with patterns, which is a bit of a bummer. Would be super nice if you could save mutes along with patterns. Not a major thing at all though. smile

nearly ghost wrote:


Great news! Thanks for sharing your first impressions. I should get mine today just been on the phone with tnt It's peanut butter jelly time!


Nice! Would love to hear if anyone else is as ecstatic as me about this thing. Mr. Green lol
nearly ghost


Just got in the rack. Panel looks so nice in the flesh. Damn you winter modular now I want those knurled screws for the rest of my modules! woah
brandonlogic
Can any users confirm- can it do separate clock divisions per channel yet? Someone said it could but i didn't see it specifically stating that it can per channel in the manual.

Thanks
Daisuk
brandonlogic wrote:
Can any users confirm- can it do separate clock divisions per channel yet? Someone said it could but i didn't see it specifically stating that in the manual.

Thanks


It can. smile You can set each track's direction and clock division in "step mode".
brandonlogic
Daisuk wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
Can any users confirm- can it do separate clock divisions per channel yet? Someone said it could but i didn't see it specifically stating that in the manual.

Thanks


It can. smile


Ahh Nice! Found that in the manual now thanks.

Now being able to cv a specific channels clock division would be amazing.
miguel_eedl
Hey guys,

Check out this cover by Jon Modular
'Aphex twin - Avril 14th' using Winter Modular Eloquencer in Song mode.
https://youtu.be/5pev8iUgXPw
hawkfuzz
Gotta do it. I hope unquantized mode is a priority, although, being confined to musical intervals is arguably better than the other way around I suppose.
NoobOlar
NoobOlar wrote:
Neo wrote:
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.


Any info on this to for example input notes into the sequencer (real time / quantised / step recording) via the pitched 1v/oct output of something like a Qnexus, Beat Step Pro, Waldorf KB37...?


For those who already received the Eloquencer.
Can you input note via a Keyboard (or midi/cv output) that outputs 1v/oct CVs? So you can play-record notes directly into the sequencer real-time/Step
?

EDIT: saw the link to the manual, had a look at the PDF it does not mention you can use the CV Input to input 1v/oct pitched notes via external CV device... so I guess it cannot be done for now
hawkfuzz
Earlier in the thread Eloi addressed the options available for CV input and said it was not possible ATM, but he seems to be down for making it possible.

Really seems like he's excited to work with input to bring features to the Eloquencer and make it a community informed product.

I'm sure once the request become ridiculous that will change, but for now it seems that he is interested in doing what people want.
Jaypee
miguel_eedl wrote:
Hey guys,

Check out this cover by Jon Modular
'Aphex twin - Avril 14th' using Winter Modular Eloquencer in Song mode.
https://youtu.be/5pev8iUgXPw


THAT case <3

What's the best way to power a case like that?

Any chance to buy it later (I think you told it's planned)?
NoobOlar
hawkfuzz wrote:
Earlier in the thread Eloi addressed the options available for CV input and said it was not possible ATM, but he seems to be down for making it possible.

Really seems like he's excited to work with input to bring features to the Eloquencer and make it a community informed product.

I'm sure once the request become ridiculous that will change, but for now it seems that he is interested in doing what people want.


Oh thank you for the reply I did go through the thread but I must have missed that post.
Cheers
Jaypee
w00t

hawkfuzz
enoughframes wrote:
atte wrote:
radiokoala wrote:
on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests).


I was under the impression that quantized recording would mean entering notes in real time by playing a QuNexus or connecting the output of you turing machine or rene and grabbing and storing the "melodies" this way. But I might be totally wrong...


Both answers are right.
You have 3 methods of live recording:
1) Gate recording (you can record gates using the 8 track buttons) so you can edit 8 tracks at once. (already working)
2) Keyboard CV recording. You can choose a track and then using the "minikeyboard" as @radiokoala says, you can record CVs (already working)
3) CV IN recording. You can activate the record of one of the two CV imputs, and assign it to the CV values of one track (not yet ready, in the roadmap)



I think that's what you meant yes?
atte
Never have I been this excited to get a module, and never have I been this disappointed! It doesn't fit in the case!




It's like the metal plate below the lower row of buttons is stretching too far to the bottom of the module. I didn't try brute force, and I don't really feel like it, but it won't go between the rails very frustrating
nearly ghost
atte wrote:
Never have I been this excited to get a module, and never have I been this disappointed! It doesn't fit in the case!




It's like the metal plate below the lower row of buttons is stretching too far to the bottom of the module. I didn't try brute force, and I don't really feel like it, but it won't go between the rails very frustrating


I know man that same thing happened to me! It seems like some rails are to thick for those metal plates to fall behind. Luckily i filliped all the modules around in my intellijel 104 case and it fit. For some reason the 2 end rails are thicker than the 2 half way through the case. Luckily for me otherwise it wouldn't have fit!hmmm.....
atte
Spoke to Eloi (super swift response, like 30 secs), and there seems to be a hickup in the panel. With long scews it sits there.

So semi-ok for new, although not the best way to start the honeymoon zombie

Daisuk
It was like that for me too in my doepfer lcb case. But it fit eventually with the knurlies screws.
Jahbo
uhhh can´t wait to receive mine... how long are they in the order´s ? which order numbers did ppl that received them last days have?
Its so hard to be patient!


nanners
jwise
atte wrote:
Spoke to Eloi (super swift response, like 30 secs), and there seems to be a hickup in the panel. With long scews it sits there.

So semi-ok for new, although not the best way to start the honeymoon zombie


Any hint of a solution?
wigwig
Whoa. This is big. Now I want one.
Last I read was that this was 'planned' so it's great to hear that it made it into the firmware already.
Just waiting for the next batch. w00t

Daisuk wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
Can any users confirm- can it do separate clock divisions per channel yet? Someone said it could but i didn't see it specifically stating that in the manual.

Thanks


It can. smile You can set each track's direction and clock division in "step mode".
gonner
"Fedex: Delayed delivery notice"

NOOOOOOO
Multi Grooves
Multi Grooves wrote:
Is there an eta for the second run: 2, 4 or 6 months?



Ahem
Costo
LOOOOOOOVE IT !!!

It was a tight fit in my case too, but it went in without brute force. The knurlies were a nice touch, as I only use those in all my racks now smile

Just amazing. Coming from the Elektron world, it takes me about 5 minutes to get a pattern going with drums, probabilities and all. WOW !

Honey, I shrunk the moon hihi

I had a nice pattern going yesterday, turned it off, and today it was gone...
So I just dialed in another one, even faster, even better !
(then I read the manual but the project menu won't popup... not implemented yet, a bug, or human error on my part ? The jury is still out
Doesn't matter that much, I like to start over, so my ego doesn't get attached Tombstone )

Here it is with some Serge & DLD & 3 Sisters & pico for the drums.

brandonlogic
atte wrote:
Spoke to Eloi (super swift response, like 30 secs), and there seems to be a hickup in the panel. With long scews it sits there.

So semi-ok for new, although not the best way to start the honeymoon zombie



Damn. Works but not pretty.. what kind of case is this? Diy?
atte
Yeah, DIY rails from clicksclocks.de, never had a problem before with 600+ HP of modules...
akrylik
atte wrote:
Yeah, DIY rails from clicksclocks.de, never had a problem before with 600+ HP of modules...


Have you tried loosening the bolts that secure the rails to your case and then inserting the module? Depending on the construction of your case the rails may have rotated slightly, thus narrowing the height available for modules.

You will also need to loosen all the modules in that row but not all the way. Just enough so the rails can wiggle.
Daisuk
Costo wrote:
LOOOOOOOVE IT !!!

It was a tight fit in my case too, but it went in without brute force. The knurlies were a nice touch, as I only use those in all my racks now smile

Just amazing. Coming from the Elektron world, it takes me about 5 minutes to get a pattern going with drums, probabilities and all. WOW !

Honey, I shrunk the moon hihi

I had a nice pattern going yesterday, turned it off, and today it was gone...
So I just dialed in another one, even faster, even better !
(then I read the manual but the project menu won't popup... not implemented yet, a bug, or human error on my part ? The jury is still out
Doesn't matter that much, I like to start over, so my ego doesn't get attached Tombstone )

Here it is with some Serge & DLD & 3 Sisters & pico for the drums.



Nice and dirty! I like it. smile Regarding projects - to reach the menu you need to hold the button which says Project (LFO) for a couple of seconds. The main function mode of that button is LFO mode, and the second one is project, and it definitely works, just hold the button a bit longer. smile

Here's my latest Eloquencer track featuring the Valhalla verbs for the Z-DSP, which I finally managed to aquire last night. Damn, I love this thing. love

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/spacerey[/s]
atte
First doodles on the Eloquencer...

Waldemar
atte wrote:
First doodles on the Eloquencer...



F.... good. Sorry to here about your problem.
Daisuk
atte wrote:
First doodles on the Eloquencer...



Damn! Nice. applause I love the jazzy licks of one of the patterns.
Gnapp
I've been playing around with my Eloquencer for a few hours now, and I find it to be a great piece of gear. Most functions are very intuitive and easy to grasp. But there is one critical function I cannot get my head around - Saving! I'm trying to follow the manual, but without success.

Here's what I do:

1) I'm in project A1 (FUNC+PROJECT says "Current project A1")
2) I'm creating three patterns in positions A1, A2 and A3
3) I'm saving my project (FUNC+PROJECT A1 SAVE ==> "Project saved") (I also get a warning: "Warning: small cut".)
4) I turn the Eloquencer off for a minute
5) I turn the Eloquencer on again
6) The current track A1 is blank
7) I load my project (FUNC+PROJECT A1 LOAD ==> "Project loaded")
8) All tracks are still empty

Where do I go wrong? Is anyone else having the same problem?
Daisuk
Gnapp wrote:
I've been playing around with my Eloquencer for a few hours now, and I find it to be a great piece of gear. Most functions are very intuitive and easy to grasp. But there is one critical function I cannot get my head around - Saving! I'm trying to follow the manual, but without success.

Here's what I do:

1) I'm in project A1 (FUNC+PROJECT says "Current project A1")
2) I'm creating three patterns in positions A1, A2 and A3
3) I'm saving my project (FUNC+PROJECT A1 SAVE ==> "Project saved") (I also get a warning: "Warning: small cut".)
4) I turn the Eloquencer off for a minute
5) I turn the Eloquencer on again
6) The current track A1 is blank
7) I load my project (FUNC+PROJECT A1 LOAD ==> "Project loaded")
8) All tracks are still empty

Where do I go wrong? Is anyone else having the same problem?


It works just fine here, but be aware that the patterns look empty until you press "start" on the sequencer. The different tracks are then "populated" with the various steps.

Hmm, trying out saving projects to different slots now, I've noticed that saved project slots doesn't always light up, but I can still load them and they will contain step information. Hadn't noticed that before.

I've also seen the "small cut" notice a few times, without really knowing what it means. It doesn't say anything about it in the manual.
Gnapp
Thanks for trying to help, Daisuk. I've also noted the behaviour with the unpopulated patterns, but this only happens when I switch between patterns. The saving problem is something different.

I'd like to solve this before I dive into any longer adventures with the Eloquencer.
miguel_eedl
Hi, the "Warning: small cut" message should be "Warning: a small cut in the reproduction can happen while saving" For some reason its been truncated, Maybe eloi left it like that because of a lack of screen space. We will update the manual to clarify that.

@Gnapp, I will try to follow the steps you are describing with my unit to understand what the problem might be.

I'll contact you via private message
Waldemar
One minute play. So sexy.

mclarensmps
This thing is right up my alley. Can't wait for more to show up on the site: The sequencer I didn't know I was waiting for.
Sweetfiltersweep
Will the SD-card be used for firmware updates?
Gnapp
My saving-problem is solved! After some help from both miguel_eedl and extensive hands on trouble shooting together with Eloi himself, we concluded that I've got a faulty SD-card. After digging deep in my crates, I found an old SD-card small enough to handle FAT32. With this card everything works like a charm.

Sorry about the quality scare. I highly recommend The Eloquencer.
jwise
Does anyone know a trick short of turning my system off and back on for rebooting the Eloquencer? Every so often the unit is freezing and button pushes become useless regardless of which step is chosen or combination of buttons I'm pressing trying to get a response.
nearly ghost
Can anyone confirm if this fits into a mantis case? Im thinking of buying one and eloquencer almost didn't fit in my intellijel hmmm.....
Waldemar
nearly ghost wrote:
Can anyone confirm if this fits into a mantis case? Im thinking of buying one and eloquencer almost didn't fit in my intellijel hmmm.....


Sorry to here this.
Hinton Instruments frame works like a charm.
gonner
Any clue as to what is causing this lag?

Elo Gate to Pip Slope
Elo CV to Black wavetable

https://youtu.be/QJ3fID4qmhk
Costo
Sweetfiltersweep wrote:
Will the SD-card be used for firmware updates?

There is an USB port on the side of the unit, and Eloi said somewhere the software would be open source and compilable on the Arduino IDE, so I guess the updates will be available on USB, a bit like the Radio Music/Chord Organ module which is based on the Teensy CPU.

In the manual, it is written :
Quote:
The microSD card reader is used to load and save the different projects, configurations and default states. It also stores the default tuning for the CV outputs.

No word about firmware updates there... nor anywhere else in the manual, though.
I guess this will come later, when the guys at Winter Modular will have breathed a little and taken some vacation smile
atte
Daisuk wrote:
Hmm, trying out saving projects to different slots now, I've noticed that saved project slots doesn't always light up, but I can still load them and they will contain step information. Hadn't noticed that before.


Yeah, there's something odd about how eloquencer decides what project slots to light up. I tried saving to project A6 which made a file PROJECT_005.elo on the SD card. After I removed the project from the SD, the button for A6 still lights up. hmmm.....

EDIT: Seems the way to go is to clear a project from the eloquencer, this will turn the ligh of + erase the project from SD. I'd consider it a bug that
Jaypee
After spending some time with the Eloquencer, I noted down my thoughts about what could be added feature wise (copy paste from an e-mail I sent to Eloi):

-Glide?

SHUFFLE:
-shuffle: possibility to move note forward (like on my MPC60, you can chose 'earlier' or 'later' mode) not backward only
-shuffle by tracks not only master?
-sequencing shuffle (different shuffle by steps)? ^^
- CV IN to add/reduce shuffle? (negative voltage = "earlier", positive voltage="later")

In >>Step mode:
at the moment we have to chose between division or mode play (fwd, bckwd etc)
Would be great to have individual division AND COMBINE the division with mode play fwd, bckw etc
-possibility to save the freeze pattern as a new pattern? (sometimes it's when you "jazz play" you do the best thing wink )

-LFO mode: hope there will be phase shifting, slewing, and attenuation by Tracks

In CV step edition mode:
Could be cool to transpose the whole pattern, just by pressing the track number and turning the encoder.
At the moment, it changes all notes to the same CV value.


GATE OUTPUT:
-Possibility to chose Gate or Trigger.
-Possibility to chose the voltage of the trigger/gate.

VOLTAGE OUTPUT:
-It's a feature on the FLXS1 sequencer: the arpeggiator.
I like the Ratcheting function on Eloquencer, but it would be amazing to be able to change the CV and apply chord, fifths, octave etc.


Hope I'm clear. hmmm.....
D Beau
First track since installing the Eloquencer. Not utilizing it's capabilities very extensively (this is not a single take); TBH, sort of overwhelmed and dumbfounded to suddenly have eight fucking sequencers when I'd been making due for so long with just two.

Techno, I guess.
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-250344944/politics-and-religion[/s]
Daisuk
Jaypee wrote:
After spending some time with the Eloquencer, I noted down my thoughts about what could be added feature wise (copy paste from an e-mail I sent to Eloi):

-Glide?

SHUFFLE:
-shuffle: possibility to move note forward (like on my MPC60, you can chose 'earlier' or 'later' mode) not backward only
-shuffle by tracks not only master?
-sequencing shuffle (different shuffle by steps)? ^^
- CV IN to add/reduce shuffle? (negative voltage = "earlier", positive voltage="later")

In >>Step mode:
at the moment we have to chose between division or mode play (fwd, bckwd etc)
Would be great to have individual division AND COMBINE the division with mode play fwd, bckw etc
-possibility to save the freeze pattern as a new pattern? (sometimes it's when you "jazz play" you do the best thing wink )

-LFO mode: hope there will be phase shifting, slewing, and attenuation by Tracks

In CV step edition mode:
Could be cool to transpose the whole pattern, just by pressing the track number and turning the encoder.
At the moment, it changes all notes to the same CV value.


GATE OUTPUT:
-Possibility to chose Gate or Trigger.
-Possibility to chose the voltage of the trigger/gate.

VOLTAGE OUTPUT:
-It's a feature on the FLXS1 sequencer: the arpeggiator.
I like the Ratcheting function on Eloquencer, but it would be amazing to be able to change the CV and apply chord, fifths, octave etc.


Hope I'm clear. hmmm.....


Lots of good points! To be able to play a randomised pattern (or any of the other pattern types) at a specific clock division would be nice. Multiplications too, perhaps?

Also, transpose the whole pattern would be very useful, indeed!

I'd also love the possibility to have mutes saved per pattern. I understand that for live playing it's nice to have global mutes, but it would be nice with "local" mutes for building a "composition". smile

I know this hasn't been possible with other euro sequencers, but is there some way to get the Eloquencer to swing incoming clock? I sync from Ableton Live, and the only way to get swung clock now is to use the swing function in Live (which works, of course, but would be nice to use the swing in the Elo).
Waldemar
Daisuk wrote:


I'd also love the possibility to have mutes saved per pattern. I understand that for live playing it's nice to have global mutes, but it would be nice with "local" mutes for building a "composition". smile
applause
atte
Here's my request list (as send to Eloi by mail:

1) be able to set scale per track per pattern
minimum: be able to bypass scale (force chromatic scale) on a track

2) option: wait for part to finish before switching to next part (so
not sync switch to end of pattern but end of part)

3) step modes should include div /2

4) aux out should be able to output a "running state" so high when
playing, low if stopped

5) play-parts, mute and fill available at the same time (suggestion:
in play-parts mode: make track buttons mutes, quick press func
switches track buttons to fill (and makes func red), long press
func makes track buttons fill (and makes funk red) until func
released

6) shift track in time, one offset per track would be enough, although
per track per pattern would be better, in ms or % of step, but
needs to get pretty fine. Should go netative (play track early),
one purpose is to compensate for a digital module with latency

7) when step mode is div, ratchet should operate on the slower
division, currently if div/4 ratchet x2 is still 1/32 note, should
be 1/8 note

8) faster ratching, at least *4

9) clock out mult should include /2

10) the predefined scale called "diminished" is in fact "augmented" aka
"wholetone scale", diminished (aka "octatonic") would be
C-D-Eb-F-F#-G#-A-B-C

11) options-> CV-Gate unlink displays the wrong info screen (same as
reset track config)

12) step mode screen lists tracks as 1-8 but face-plate calls them
a-h, seem to remember this mistake somewhere else also...

13) easy way to transpose all cv on track in entire song or track in pattern

14) when in confirm track clear screen, it would be nice to have the
track that we are about to clear light up

15) if project is deleted from SD, no light in the corresponding
project button (ie in "load project")
atte
jwise wrote:
Does anyone know a trick short of turning my system off and back on for rebooting the Eloquencer? Every so often the unit is freezing and button pushes become useless regardless of which step is chosen or combination of buttons I'm pressing trying to get a response.


I had something similar happen today. Start/stop worked, think it got trapped inside a menu, happened twice, couldn't reproduce it yet...
Jaypee
Ah! I forgot the main feature I'd like to have!

Again, my MPC 60 has that " step editing sequencing" mode.
Every time you hit the play (or another) button, sequence moves to the next step and send gate and cv values.
That feature would be so soooo
Agony!
brandonlogic
atte wrote:
Here's my request list (as send to Eloi by mail:

1) be able to set scale per track per pattern
minimum: be able to bypass scale (force chromatic scale) on a track

2) option: wait for part to finish before switching to next part (so
not sync switch to end of pattern but end of part)

3) step modes should include div /2

4) aux out should be able to output a "running state" so high when
playing, low if stopped

5) play-parts, mute and fill available at the same time (suggestion:
in play-parts mode: make track buttons mutes, quick press func
switches track buttons to fill (and makes func red), long press
func makes track buttons fill (and makes funk red) until func
released

6) shift track in time, one offset per track would be enough, although
per track per pattern would be better, in ms or % of step, but
needs to get pretty fine. Should go netative (play track early),
one purpose is to compensate for a digital module with latency

7) when step mode is div, ratchet should operate on the slower
division, currently if div/4 ratchet x2 is still 1/32 note, should
be 1/8 note

8) faster ratching, at least *4

9) clock out mult should include /2

10) the predefined scale called "diminished" is in fact "augmented" aka
"wholetone scale", diminished (aka "octatonic") would be
C-D-Eb-F-F#-G#-A-B-C

11) options-> CV-Gate unlink displays the wrong info screen (same as
reset track config)

12) step mode screen lists tracks as 1-8 but face-plate calls them
a-h, seem to remember this mistake somewhere else also...

13) easy way to transpose all cv on track in entire song or track in pattern

14) when in confirm track clear screen, it would be nice to have the
track that we are about to clear light up

15) if project is deleted from SD, no light in the corresponding
project button (ie in "load project")


Great suggestions.

I'd also like to see the option to turn the master track/reset count completely off so that different length/speed sequences loop infiniately without being forced through reset after a certain amount of steps....
I'd like to see glide too.
atte
brandonlogic wrote:

I'd also like to see the option to turn the master track/reset count completely off so that different length/speed sequences loop infiniately without being forced through reset after a certain amount of steps....


Speakin of the master track. A way to have both a global master track and then in certain patterns "override" this settings would be awesome.

And this idea (something global that can be overriden locally) stretches to quite a few areas, like the scale suggestion above.
miguel_eedl
brandonlogic wrote:

I'd also like to see the option to turn the master track/reset count completely off so that different length/speed sequences loop infiniately without being forced through reset after a certain amount of steps....


You can do this already, go to options/reset track config. and deselect the tracks you want to detach from the master track reset using the track buttons.
miguel_eedl
atte wrote:
Speakin of the master track. A way to have both a global master track and then in certain patterns "override" this settings would be awesome.


This was in the "to do" list already. Alongside some other things people are asking.
undothis
Hi All new to this forum. Sequencer just arrived. I will posted a video shortly!
D Beau
One small issue I'm having is that if I set the master track to internal and the number of steps to 64, when I reboot, the number of steps will be set to zero (in practice, one). Not sure if this is a bug, or something I'm misunderstanding/doing wrong.
miguel_eedl
D Beau wrote:
One small issue I'm having is that if I set the master track to internal and the number of steps to 64, when I reboot, the number of steps will be set to zero (in practice, one). Not sure if this is a bug, or something I'm misunderstanding/doing wrong.


It'a a known bug, we are fixing this for the next update.
In the meantime, if you are setting the master track to 64 just to avoid tracks from being reset you can just go to options/reset track config. and deselect the tracks you want to detach from the master track reset
D Beau
miguel_eedl wrote:


It'a a known bug, we are fixing this for the next update.
In the meantime, if you are setting the master track to 64 just to avoid tracks from being reset you can just go to options/reset track config. and deselect the tracks you want to detach from the master track reset

Ah, good to know. Thanks.
Jaypee
I noticed a bug: when using the track shifting, ties don't move. They stay at the same position.
enoughframes
Jaypee wrote:
I noticed a bug: when using the track shifting, ties don't move. They stay at the same position.

Thanks for feedback. It is already fixed for the next release.
Jaypee
Still when track shifting:
would be cool to see the selected pattern.
now we have to clic on gate, select pattern, then track shifting
if I select track shifting before clicking on the right pattern, I can't see it.
It stays on the previous selected pattern.

I'm in a middle of a session. Report bugs at the same time smile
Coetillion
this looks like exactly what i'm looking for in terms of having a single brain for the modular.

quick question for anyone who has one: does the eloquencer advance for each clock in pulse? ie i can send in a modulated clock/audio rate clock and it'll function just fine?

also, would be rad to have a rotate function where patterns shift in location a la RCD or varigate 8+.
miguel_eedl
Jaypee wrote:
Still when track shifting:
would be cool to see the selected pattern.
now we have to clic on gate, select pattern, then track shifting
if I select track shifting before clicking on the right pattern, I can't see it.
It stays on the previous selected pattern.

I'm in a middle of a session. Report bugs at the same time smile


Nice one smile
Daisuk
Just spotted this via Winter Modular's Facebook page. Taking some responsibility and posting it here (since the author hasn't yet).

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUsCWJxlUae/

Excellent work by brandon logic! I'd love a record of this stuff, absolutely loving these beats you're putting out on Instagram. smile
gonner
I'm loving the sequencer so far. Individual clock multiply, divide and sequence length per output is crucial to me. Is this on the roadmap?
brandonlogic
Thanks Daisuk!

gonner wrote:
I'm loving the sequencer so far. Individual clock multiply, divide and sequence length per output is crucial to me. Is this on the roadmap?


It can already do sequence length and divide per channel.
Hopefully multiply will be added.
gonner
brandonlogic wrote:
Thanks Daisuk!

gonner wrote:
I'm loving the sequencer so far. Individual clock multiply, divide and sequence length per output is crucial to me. Is this on the roadmap?


It can already do sequence length and divide per channel.
Hopefully multiply will be added.


Divide by 4, right? Am I missing something else? It would be nice to have the div/mult like the varigate.
brandonlogic
gonner wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
Thanks Daisuk!

gonner wrote:
I'm loving the sequencer so far. Individual clock multiply, divide and sequence length per output is crucial to me. Is this on the roadmap?


It can already do sequence length and divide per channel.
Hopefully multiply will be added.


Divide by 4, right? Am I missing something else? It would be nice to have the div/mult like the varigate.


You can divide by more than 4. I'm not at home, don't remember off the top of but i know it can divide by at least 16 (32 max?) Some one correct me if I'm wrong.
brandonlogic
current selectable divisions are 2 through 16
this is in the manual too http://winter-modular.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Eloquencer_Manual .pdf
atte
brandonlogic wrote:
current selectable divisions are 2 through 16
this is in the manual too http://winter-modular.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Eloquencer_Manual .pdf


I'm not in front of the rack atm, but I'm pretty sure theres no divide by 2...
brandonlogic
atte wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
current selectable divisions are 2 through 16
this is in the manual too http://winter-modular.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Eloquencer_Manual .pdf


I'm not in front of the rack atm, but I'm pretty sure theres no divide by 2...





Quote:
Step mode:
at the moment we have to chose between division or mode play (fwd, bckwd etc)
Would be great to have individual division AND COMBINE the division with mode play fwd, bckw etc


^hoping this will be possible.

Also, if we could use swing when clicking externally that would be excellent.
atte
Ah, got it, you have to press the dial d'oh!

Wonder how many things I've overlooked on that account. Seemed like a glaring omission, but then it wasn't applause
gonner
atte wrote:
Ah, got it, you have to press the dial d'oh!

Wonder how many things I've overlooked on that account. Seemed like a glaring omission, but then it wasn't applause


Whoa! I completely overlooked this one. Thanks!
franman69
Just a quick noodle I made playing with this new Beast...

atte
Think I found a bug!

1) Clear project
2) Make two patterns A1 and A2
3) Make track length of A2 8 steps (track length of track A 8 + clock->master track track A)
4) Create a part with just A1 and A2
5) Play back the part, it will start with A2, not A1

Here's a project created from scratch this way that shows the problem:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qwzfamthdeidwkj/PROJECT_015.elo?dl=0
atte
Quick question:
How do I remove/clear a part? Overwriting with new part is obvious, but say I made a part that I don't need and want to get rid of it...
miguel_eedl
atte wrote:
Quick question:
How do I remove/clear a part? Overwriting with new part is obvious, but say I made a part that I don't need and want to get rid of it...

Removing of parts dropped out of 1.0, you should be able to do it in the next update.
atte
Ok, no problem. Any ETA on the firmware?
jwise
Experienced my third and fourth lockup of the Eloquencer this weekend that required power cycling to get back. Still don't know what the exact trigger is but it seems to be related to lengthy run times?

Crashes have happened with internal and external clocks, with CV's set and gates, with and without ratcheting. The only thing the same between the crashes is that the Eloquencer has been running sequences for hours when it happens and it always happens when I'm not looking at the thing.
Dusty Patches
I need this thing. Any idea when the next batch will be available?
atrostor
Dusty Patches wrote:
I need this thing. Any idea when the next batch will be available?


Also, any plans to have it stocked at US retailers?
atte
August, i think...
Multi Grooves
Just sold it, so I'm now without a sequencer. I feel a little naked. Can we get some confirmation on the second batch release date? OR if any owners feeling this thing isn't for you, hit me up!
mattsb
I'm feeling so excited I just have to share !! After stumbling across mention of the Eloquencer in another thread I had a casual look at it on MG and came across


Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates)



MY ASS IS BLEEDING nanners MY ASS IS BLEEDING nanners

I have a space reserved in my rack for Rene, but I think it's going to be an Eloquencer now...

Now going back to the beginning of this thread to read all about this wonderful new discovery.
atte
It may not be what you expect: you can't plug a CV keyboard in and record your playing. It's a planned feature, though...
bobafett
atte wrote:
August, i think...


Anyone able to confirm that ? seriously, i just don't get it
efexx
bobafett wrote:
atte wrote:
August, i think...


Anyone able to confirm that ? seriously, i just don't get it


Check winter modular facebook page.
bobafett
efexx wrote:
facebook page.


What ? That thing my daughter uses eek!

Mr. Green Mr. Green
efexx
bobafett wrote:
efexx wrote:
facebook page.


What ? That thing my daughter uses eek!

Mr. Green Mr. Green


Haha, yes that thing .

He posted one month ago :


Winter modular
28. Mai um 14:44 ·
We started working on the second batch. We expect it to be available sometime around August if there are not unexpected problems
bobafett
thumbs up
Dark Barn
Is glide even a possibility on the Eloquencer? It seems as though there hasn't been an official comment one way or the other on this feature request. I preordered one from a dealer and am keen to hear if this will be possible.
hawkfuzz
I really think from reading them commenting that most user requested features, within reason and commonplace, will be added.

Take that leap.
Dark Barn
Leap already taken, just advocating for features while I wait it out. Miley Cyrus
bobafett
hawkfuzz wrote:
most user requested features, within reason and commonplace, will be added.


I take it updating the firmware is a pretty straight forward process then ?
atte
Seem to remember updates are done from SD card hmmm.....
mdoudoroff
Control got in nine Eloquencers yesterday and they were all gone within a couple hours.

Bodes well.
reodjectz
mdoudoroff wrote:
Control got in nine Eloquencers yesterday and they were all gone within a couple hours.

Bodes well.


I saw that - top of new arrivals with "sold out" the very first time I saw it on the site.
WeepWow
hmmm..... hmmm, so now what do I do.... cancel my ER-101 order and wait for a new Eloquencer batch?
jwise
WeepWow wrote:
hmmm..... hmmm, so now what do I do.... cancel my ER-101 order and wait for a new Eloquencer batch?


Nope....just do what I did, mount that Eloquencer just under the ER-101 and next to the Varigate 8+/Voltage Block sandwiched between two Ornament & Crime's.....of course things will be out of balance if you don't also have the ER-301 to add to the aesthetic.
mecanikill
As soon as I started using the Eloquencer I knew it was a keeper. Man I feel like this thing bring my modular to a whole new level. Super easy to use and stuff works like it should (for the most part) right out the gate unlike some other sequencers I bought that still are wonky...
WeepWow
right...perfect solution, can i borrow some cash?
brandonlogic
posted this on the bastl thread too, but using the eloquencer to send triggeres to the bastl solenoid driver. micing the audio from the solenoids and bringing the audio back through the OD er-301 and 4ms dual dealy.

mdoudoroff
brandonlogic wrote:
posted this on the bastl thread too, but using the eloquencer to send triggeres to the bastl solenoid driver. micing the audio from the solenoids and bringing the audio back through the OD er-301 and 4ms dual dealy.


Wicked cool. And sounds great.
brandonlogic
mdoudoroff wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
posted this on the bastl thread too, but using the eloquencer to send triggeres to the bastl solenoid driver. micing the audio from the solenoids and bringing the audio back through the OD er-301 and 4ms dual dealy.


Wicked cool. And sounds great.


thanks! actually i just updated the link, that was just the camera mic audio before. fixed it with the direct recording audio now.
noisewreck
Soooo... any idea when the next batch will be out?
atte
August?
Daisuk
brandonlogic wrote:
posted this on the bastl thread too, but using the eloquencer to send triggeres to the bastl solenoid driver. micing the audio from the solenoids and bringing the audio back through the OD er-301 and 4ms dual dealy.


Nice patch! smile What exactly are the Solenoids doing though?
mdoudoroff
Daisuk wrote:


Nice patch! smile What exactly are the Solenoids doing though?


Watch the video again—they’re right there at the top-right corner of the image, tapping away at a beer bottle, WD-50 can, thermos and plastic cup.
brandonlogic
mdoudoroff wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Nice patch! smile What exactly are the Solenoids doing though?


Watch the video again—they’re right there at the top-right corner of the image, tapping away at a beer bottle, WD-50 can, thermos and plastic cup.


yeah you can hear them clearly the first couple seconds dry, before i bring the delay and granular in. first four channels of the eloquencer are sequencing solenoids for the four objects. they are creating the percussive sounds you hear and being processed throughout.
bobafett
brandonlogic wrote:
using the eloquencer to send triggeres to the bastl solenoid driver. micing the audio from the solenoids and bringing the audio back through the OD er-301 and 4ms dual dealy.


That's brilliant thumbs up
Daisuk
mdoudoroff wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Nice patch! smile What exactly are the Solenoids doing though?


Watch the video again—they’re right there at the top-right corner of the image, tapping away at a beer bottle, WD-50 can, thermos and plastic cup.


Ah, was watching on a tiny screen and didn't see them. d'oh! Nice!
interpolate
I just discovered this module and I think I want it more than anything I've seen so far sequencer wise SlayerBadger!

Guess I might as well pre-order and wait till August very frustrating
noisewreck
atte wrote:
August?

Thanks! thumbs up
bobafett
I hope they mean like....... August 1st Mr. Green
atte
2017 hihi
proturboplus
Hi,

just reading the manual, I've got a question regarding poly-rythms when using the song mode.

If I understand it correctly, you have to de-attach poly-rythmic tracks from the master track, so that they won't reset when the master reaches its end.

But what happens when arranging patterns in song mode? When a new pattern starts (or if the same patterns starts again if it is repeated several times in song mode), do the de-attached tracks also start from step 1 or will they get the step position from the former pattern?
mecanikill
I have a feature request that I would love to see implemented. How about putting a tap tempo on it? You could have it so if you held the function button and tap the tempo button to adjust the speed. Other than this it is the perfect sequencer! thumbs up
brandonlogic
Was wondering if we could get a general idea of the features being worked on in the next firmware and when we should expect them? Thanks so much for your hard work on this.
akrylik
brandonlogic wrote:
Was wondering if we could get a general idea of the features being worked on in the next firmware and when we should expect them? Thanks so much for your hard work on this.


You do realize that the stress to the builder from having to answer such a question (with its implied promises and so on) almost definitely outweighs any benefit you could get from the answer? hihi
brandonlogic
akrylik wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
Was wondering if we could get a general idea of the features being worked on in the next firmware and when we should expect them? Thanks so much for your hard work on this.


You do realize that the stress to the builder from having to answer such a question (with its implied promises and so on) almost definitely outweighs any benefit you could get from the answer? hihi


seriously, i just don't get it
gonner
Has anyone installed the replacement panel? I can't remove the encoder.
atte
Yep, no problem here.... Not that it helps hmmm.....
Southfork
Had a little play with mine at the weekend. Great stuff so far. Very easy to use. I browsed the manual briefly but didn't really need it tbh.

One thing I did notice, Is it possible to pick more than one option per track? Say /2 and repeat?

Im looking fwd to the firmware upgrade. Envelopes especially. Will turn it into a fantastic percussion sequencer especially if you have cv control over decay time smile Just add sound source's, VCA's and go! This is fun!
Jaypee
Eloi, world needs new firmware Mr. Green
hawkfuzz
Is the current no good?
Jaypee
hawkfuzz wrote:
Is the current no good?


f... good, but some bugs reported in this thread.
enoughframes
Jaypee wrote:
Eloi, world needs new firmware Mr. Green


I'm working on the new SW release, it's just for bugs but will include some new features, not many.
I have received many petitions, I don't have a wishlist I have a wish library. hihi Some features can be done, some features I don't now yet, and some others are impossible.
I will keep you informed. I hope it won't take many weeks to release the new firmware. hyper
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Eloi, world needs new firmware Mr. Green


I'm working on the new SW release, it's just for bugs but will include some new features, not many.
I have received many petitions, I don't have a wishlist I have a wish library. hihi Some features can be done, some features I don't now yet, and some others are impossible.
I will keep you informed. I hope it won't take many weeks to release the new firmware. hyper


Awesome! Want to spill the beans on the new features? hihi
Southfork
Im still pretty hopeful for lfo/Eg/modulation. These are printed on the panel already!! w00t!!
mecanikill
Tap tempo and more than 1 clock/movement setting please!
Multi Grooves
I've messaged a few times but no response thus far...Any confirmation of the second batch?
interpolate
He's responsive via Facebook. Last I heard, batch 2 is coming.
Multi Grooves
I don't have a faceache account...
enoughframes
Multi Grooves wrote:
I've messaged a few times but no response thus far...Any confirmation of the second batch?



We hope to have the batch ready for September.
Where did you try to contact us ?
bobafett
enoughframes wrote:
September


Nooooooooooo..........

Waiting till August has been hard enough since placing my order waah waah waah

Good things are worth waiting for I guess Mr. Green
Multi Grooves
enoughframes wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
I've messaged a few times but no response thus far...Any confirmation of the second batch?



We hope to have the batch ready for September.
Where did you try to contact us ?


Via your website also via PMs here...I asked whether I needed to put down a deposit now to ensure I got one. Do I need to?
subduktion
enoughframes wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Eloi, world needs new firmware Mr. Green


I'm working on the new SW release, it's just for bugs but will include some new features, not many.
I have received many petitions, I don't have a wishlist I have a wish library. hihi Some features can be done, some features I don't now yet, and some others are impossible.
I will keep you informed. I hope it won't take many weeks to release the new firmware. hyper


Would be great to find out which features can be done, can't be done, and what's expected in the next update. I'm especially interested in smooth cv out.
hawkfuzz
Did the batch they were sending to Control already go out or are the only owners from the very first batch?
Multi Grooves
Multi Grooves wrote:
enoughframes wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
I've messaged a few times but no response thus far...Any confirmation of the second batch?



We hope to have the batch ready for September.
Where did you try to contact us ?


Via your website also via PMs here...I asked whether I needed to put down a deposit now to ensure I got one. Do I need to?


seriously, i just don't get it
Ptbarnum
hawkfuzz wrote:
Did the batch they were sending to Control already go out or are the only owners from the very first batch?

They did, and they sold out in minutes, I believe
Daisuk
A few things I wish are coming in a future firmware update.

- Transposing of patterns per track (octaves, semi-tones and what have you)
- Mutes saving with patterns
- Division and multiplication for ALL step modes
- Shuffle incoming clock (probably not possible)
- Higher number of ratchets possible (ala Variagate 8)
- More options for AUX out
- Un-quantized recording of notes/gates (probably not possible?)
- Recording of incoming CV (say played from an external keyboard)
- CV control over starting and ending steps of patterns

It would also be convenient, in my opinion, if when choosing "step mode", not all tracks are already selected. I usually just want to edit the step mode of one track at a time. But not a biggie at all, really.

Very, very happy with the Eloquencer, it's an absolute blast to use. Love it! These additions to the firmware would be the absolute icing on the cake for me. we're not worthy Mr. Green
Lineofcontrol
How can I put down a deposit for the next batch?
damase
just reading through all this thread and really considering this heavily now, especially with the firmware update being worked on with all the great requests I see.

Questions:
If you're sending the Eloquencer an external clock, can it shuffle/swing its tracks?
Can it shuffle/swing separate amounts per track?
Can it shuffle/swing in both directions or with a variety of shuffle algorithms(like Ableton's grooves)?

Thanks and apologies if those are answered already I was a bit confused
franman69
Not yet. Shuffle in an internal clock (only) overall parameter.. You can create a shuffle clock out with one of the tracks, but sending the clock out while "shuffling" doesn't make the slave external box shuffle... it can't. bey definition the "clock" is a Pulse wave with adjustable Width... by using an 1/8" not track, you can make other boxes shuffle..
franman69
I do wish there were a few more Rachet "styles"... which I think is totally possible in an update.. seems like it's pretty simple to me...

Shuffle incoming.. nope (explained above)

Unquantized would be cool..


Daisuk wrote:
A few things I wish are coming in a future firmware update.

- Transposing of patterns per track (octaves, semi-tones and what have you)
- Mutes saving with patterns
- Division and multiplication for ALL step modes
- Shuffle incoming clock (probably not possible)
- Higher number of ratchets possible (ala Variagate 8)
- More options for AUX out
- Un-quantized recording of notes/gates (probably not possible?)
- Recording of incoming CV (say played from an external keyboard)
- CV control over starting and ending steps of patterns

It would also be convenient, in my opinion, if when choosing "step mode", not all tracks are already selected. I usually just want to edit the step mode of one track at a time. But not a biggie at all, really.

Very, very happy with the Eloquencer, it's an absolute blast to use. Love it! These additions to the firmware would be the absolute icing on the cake for me. we're not worthy Mr. Green
franman69
Link to quick beat video...
song on the way.
[video]http://www.facebook.com/groups/111029938930272/?multi_permalink s=1659948220705095&notif_t=like&notif_id=1501037372600375[/video]
damase
franman69 wrote:
Not yet. Shuffle in an internal clock (only) overall parameter.. You can create a shuffle clock out with one of the tracks, but sending the clock out while "shuffling" doesn't make the slave external box shuffle... it can't. bey definition the "clock" is a Pulse wave with adjustable Width... by using an 1/8" not track, you can make other boxes shuffle..


Thank you... although not the answers i was hoping for hihi
hawkfuzz
Fudge! Are those features from Eloi and company? Non quantized not being possible sucks.
Gennarjello
Just got mine, already in love with it love
interpolate
Gennarjello wrote:
Just got mine, already in love with it love


Great first post, also I'm very jealous SlayerBadger!
nucleus
Gennarjello wrote:
Just got mine, already in love with it love


Enjoy it and welcome to muff's smile. Where did you get it?
Mortalitydrag
Sorry if I've missed this but is there a list of additional features in the pipeline that I can look at anywhere?
brandonlogic
heavy use of the eloquencer here.
experimenting a lot with probability both for the drum sequencing and melody.
the probability stuff really takes a 16 step sequence a long ways!
i am using some logic and ls1 lightstrip too to manually temporarily mix in some extra gates from pams workout with the eloquencer gates to get drum rolls and such when i touch the lightstrip.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/335720524" params="color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments= true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false" width="100%" height="166" iframe="true" /]

heres a vid of the patch in progress too https://www.instagram.com/p/BXCMpUJFQF4/
gonner
brandonlogic wrote:

i am using some logic and ls1 lightstrip too to manually temporarily mix in some extra gates from pams workout with the eloquencer gates to get drum rolls and such when i touch the lightstrip.
Nice one! Lighstrip is controlling a switch?
Mortalitydrag
Brandon logic - Impressive sequencing. Looking forward to this being released for sure.

I have a question - how easy is it to program a track that will randomly choose between only 2 or 3 notes rather than a whole scale?
brandonlogic
gonner wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:

i am using some logic and ls1 lightstrip too to manually temporarily mix in some extra gates from pams workout with the eloquencer gates to get drum rolls and such when i touch the lightstrip.
Nice one! Lighstrip is controlling a switch?


this is how i patched the channel with the manual drum rolls.
assignable patch points on the 301:
g1 (top patch point) - gate trigger sample start
a1 (next one down) - sample selection cv
a2 - sample pitch (internally attenuated cv)

pams workout:
output one - volage controlled clock multiplications cv controlled by lightstrip's cv (which is also multed to pitch)
output 5 steady clock for eloquencer sync.

the rest of this part for the the patch explained here:



The idea was for manual, touch control of rolls and pitch of drums. i also could have patched automatic, programmed control by just using another channel of the eloquencer for cv/gate instead of the light strip.

basically just using the logic module so that when a gate goes high from the lightstrip, it mixes the extra gates from pam's in with the eloquencer gates.
Daisuk
Very inspiring track, brandonlogic! I really need to experiment a whole lot more with chaining together patterns with various probability settings.

Here's a Eloquencer centered track I recorded a couple of days ago (having finally gotten a tripod). It's a bit cheesy, but I liked it somehow as well. Basically just one pattern of Eloquencer playing with various probability settings, and a few things fading in and out and what have you. Please excuse the elbow towards the end. lol

damase
enoughframes wrote:
atte wrote:
radiokoala wrote:
on quick inspection I found this line specifically mentioning ♦ Quantized Live recording (Cvs and Gates) — which, needless to say, I find just a w e s o m e! Looking at the panel I assume it works volca/electribe recording style: you press rec, then quickly play a line on sixteen buttons at the bottom like a mini keyboard, and the machine loops the phrase exactly as you played it (only quantized to the clock, and with respect to rests).


I was under the impression that quantized recording would mean entering notes in real time by playing a QuNexus or connecting the output of you turing machine or rene and grabbing and storing the "melodies" this way. But I might be totally wrong...


Both answers are right.
You have 3 methods of live recording:
1) Gate recording (you can record gates using the 8 track buttons) so you can edit 8 tracks at once. (already working)
2) Keyboard CV recording. You can choose a track and then using the "minikeyboard" as @radiokoala says, you can record CVs (already working)
3) CV IN recording. You can activate the record of one of the two CV imputs, and assign it to the CV values of one track (not yet ready, in the roadmap)


Confused... do any of these methods record external trig sequences? Or is it external cv only?
gonner
Cannot record external trigs or cv(at the moment). The latter is supposedly on the roadmap, not sure whether triggers are as well.
damase
gonner wrote:
Cannot record external trigs or cv(at the moment). The latter is supposedly on the roadmap, not sure whether triggers are as well.


Thank you, if anyone else knows if trigs are on the horizon that would be good info to have also. Because that would be so cool
gonner
damase wrote:
gonner wrote:
Cannot record external trigs or cv(at the moment). The latter is supposedly on the roadmap, not sure whether triggers are as well.


Thank you, if anyone else knows if trigs are on the horizon that would be good info to have also. Because that would be so cool


I have an Elo, but I'm very much looking forward to the Four Bricks Rook for jamming and recording triggers.
damase
gonner wrote:
damase wrote:
gonner wrote:
Cannot record external trigs or cv(at the moment). The latter is supposedly on the roadmap, not sure whether triggers are as well.


Thank you, if anyone else knows if trigs are on the horizon that would be good info to have also. Because that would be so cool


I have an Elo, but I'm very much looking forward to the Four Bricks Rook for jamming and recording triggers.


Thats why i was asking... but to me a collection of recorded patterns on a module like FBR is not really sustainable as a way of re-creating a track... but if i could save my "golden" patterns to a prime sequencer like the eloquencer for pattern storing... well ... we're not worthy
Lineofcontrol
How do I get one???

I'm on their mailing list on the website. But no info or idea about the next batch....
Daisuk
Lineofcontrol wrote:
How do I get one???

I'm on their mailing list on the website. But no info or idea about the next batch....


They've said a new batch is coming in September. Contact them on Facebook, they usually reply quickly on there.
SonicVoltage
A track that came out while I was testing the Eloquencer

http://goo.gl/QuSWdq

I like the song-parts feature instead having only patterns/song.[/url]
Jaypee
Wassup with the new firmware? hmmm.....
brandonlogic
Also curios how it's goin! Been a while since miguel_eedl posted here!
bitbin
Having read the manual it says the 'Two assignable CV Inputs can be used to control step parameters including their probabilities, track shifting, mutes or fills.'


Could anyone confirm if the two assignable CV Inputs can be used to control pitch of individual or multiple notes? I would basically like the option to use a CV input to increase or decrease the pitch of say note 3 in a 4 note sequencer.

Thanks!
Daisuk
bitbin wrote:
Having read the manual it says the 'Two assignable CV Inputs can be used to control step parameters including their probabilities, track shifting, mutes or fills.'


Could anyone confirm if the two assignable CV Inputs can be used to control pitch of individual or multiple notes? I would basically like the option to use a CV input to increase or decrease the pitch of say note 3 in a 4 note sequencer.

Thanks!


Yes, you can. It's described in the manual. smile
Brennanib
I'm so excited about receiving my Eloquencer, not having it right away immediately after ordering has honestly given me the time to understand my 6u a lot without sequencers etc and have found a bunch of inspiring techniques from other wigglers aswell!

Once this thing arrives though it's in like Donkey Kong SlayerBadger!
bitbin
Daisuk wrote:


Yes, you can. It's described in the manual. smile



Nice one - so any one single note can be assigned to th cv1 input? Same if I want to change say 4 separate notes with the CV input?

I missed this in the manual - which page is this on?

Ta!
atte
Jaypee wrote:
Wassup with the new firmware? hmmm.....


^this
Ptbarnum
bitbin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Yes, you can. It's described in the manual. smile



Nice one - so any one single note can be assigned to th cv1 input? Same if I want to change say 4 separate notes with the CV input?

I missed this in the manual - which page is this on?

Ta!

Yeah, I'm not sure you can do this easily, though maybe possible if you used the cv add option and sequenced it cleverly?
Daisuk
bitbin wrote:
Daisuk wrote:


Yes, you can. It's described in the manual. smile



Nice one - so any one single note can be assigned to th cv1 input? Same if I want to change say 4 separate notes with the CV input?

I missed this in the manual - which page is this on?

Ta!


Page 14 in the manual. I'm hungover today (so not thinking too well at the moment) and haven't tried this specifically myself, but I imagine it would be possible - you just need to time when you input the incoming CV, as you can't specifically assign a particular step to receive incoming CV, for instance - it affects the whole track you select. As long as you're not sending any cv on step 1-5, for instance, but send cv when Elo is on step 6, step 6 will change - so it depends on how you time the input.
Daisuk
Winter Modular announced on Facebook today that they'll be showing off the new features of the new firmware on Modular Day BCN:

https://www.facebook.com/ModulardayBCN/?hc_ref=ART1zW9rau9pu3hIw05y8Nk HKyG2RQP7SlwZsi2kAJDInMRdzY0NtpX7ecVJO6KVGJA

September 9th! Mr. Green
atte
Sounds great, hope they show off some bug fixes as well hihi
Jaypee
Great news! Hope the firmware will be out just after Modular Day! Big up Igor!
Southfork
Great news, new firmware only a weekish away woo hoo!!
Jaypee
I need your help smile
Maybe it will be on the next firmware (I sent the idea to Igor) but i'm trying to get a ratcheting-arpeggio like in the next Zetaohm FLXS1 with Eloquencer.

With the Eloquencer, pitch doesn't change when racheting -pitch is constant.

Do you have any idea how it would be possible to achieve it with Eloquencer and few other modules?
hmmm.....

thanks guys!
damase
Jaypee wrote:
I need your help smile
Maybe it will be on the next firmware (I sent the idea to Igor) but i'm trying to get a ratcheting-arpeggio like in the next Zetaohm FLXS1 with Eloquencer.

With the Eloquencer, pitch doesn't change when racheting -pitch is constant.

Do you have any idea how it would be possible to achieve it with Eloquencer and few other modules?
hmmm.....

thanks guys!


I dont own one but the wmd arpitect is basically made for this. I think you could easily use a 2nd channel of cv from the eloquencer to open up the 'masking' on the arpitect... among so many other cool things this combo would bring smile
Jaypee
damase wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
I need your help smile
Maybe it will be on the next firmware (I sent the idea to Igor) but i'm trying to get a ratcheting-arpeggio like in the next Zetaohm FLXS1 with Eloquencer.

With the Eloquencer, pitch doesn't change when racheting -pitch is constant.

Do you have any idea how it would be possible to achieve it with Eloquencer and few other modules?
hmmm.....

thanks guys!


I dont own one but the wmd arpitect is basically made for this. I think you could easily use a 2nd channel of cv from the eloquencer to open up the 'masking' on the arpitect... among so many other cool things this combo would bring smile


Wanted to avoid to buy a specific module for it, thanks mate! It seems a great module though!
SonicVoltage
Jaypee wrote:
I need your help smile
Maybe it will be on the next firmware (I sent the idea to Igor) but i'm trying to get a ratcheting-arpeggio like in the next Zetaohm FLXS1 with Eloquencer.

With the Eloquencer, pitch doesn't change when racheting -pitch is constant.

Do you have any idea how it would be possible to achieve it with Eloquencer and few other modules?
hmmm.....

thanks guys!


On the Eloquencer's website the feature list mentiones
"LFO Mode (not available in the current OS release, coming soon)"

Maybe if the LFO outputs can be quantized and if the LFO can be triggered per step, control over speed?

So, maybe something like that should be possible soon

Of course, if a specific track matches an appropriate tempo/subdivision, currently you input notes to create arpeggios, but yes, of course, that's abvious, but it may not be what/how you want it I understand
atimbral
Here's a feature suggestion that I'd like to see; even if it's too late to get into the upcoming release.

When you initially use the Rand Function, the default is 'all tracks, all parameters'. Most often, I want to randomize only 1 or maybe 2 of the parameters on just 1 track, so I have to go and deselect a bunch of parameter/track buttons.

It would be much quicker and more immediate if the default was 1 parameter (say CV or Gate) and the current track. I know it does default to the previous Rand setting if you stay on the same track, and that's great, very quick for subsequent randomizations. But if you change tracks and randomize again, then you're back to the 'all params, all tracks' default, and a bunch more deselect button pushing.

Could you consider changing the default behavior please?
Neo
Neo wrote:
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.

Pretty please?
djthopa
Neo wrote:
Neo wrote:
This is awesome, will definitely get one. Just one little suggestion:

It would be great to be able to record a sequence from an external cv/gate keyboard (or external sequencer). This could probably be done using the two cv inputs.

Pretty please?


+1!
Jaypee
SonicVoltage wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
I need your help smile
Maybe it will be on the next firmware (I sent the idea to Igor) but i'm trying to get a ratcheting-arpeggio like in the next Zetaohm FLXS1 with Eloquencer.

With the Eloquencer, pitch doesn't change when racheting -pitch is constant.

Do you have any idea how it would be possible to achieve it with Eloquencer and few other modules?
hmmm.....

thanks guys!


On the Eloquencer's website the feature list mentiones
"LFO Mode (not available in the current OS release, coming soon)"

Maybe if the LFO outputs can be quantized and if the LFO can be triggered per step, control over speed?

So, maybe something like that should be possible soon

Of course, if a specific track matches an appropriate tempo/subdivision, currently you input notes to create arpeggios, but yes, of course, that's abvious, but it may not be what/how you want it I understand


I haven't tried yet, but I was thinking about using my sequential switch (doepfer 151). Send the root note to 1 input, the third on 2 input, and the fifth to the third input (as an example).
Then send a ratcheting gate to switch between these 3.
And send the output to my VCO.

Think it might work w00t
uniquepersonno2
Hi there, I'm looking to get an Eloquencer to run my mid-sized system and I had a question.
Sorry if this question has been answered already but the manual didn't yield any results and I couldn't find anything in this thread.

Is it possible to program in notes with the "keyboard" when not in record mode? Sort of like a 303 I guess, basically select a step and just tap the corresponding key you want for that step. Something I like about my Beatstep Pro is that I can hold down a step in the sequence and press a note pad and the step is assigned that note. It makes for very easy and quick sequencing and I'm rather used to this method for hardware sequencing.
Is there anything like this in the Eloquencer? Everything about it looks great but having to either enter notes manually with the entry knob or record everything would be a bit troublesome for me, other than that it looks perfect for me though...
Jaypee
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Hi there, I'm looking to get an Eloquencer to run my mid-sized system and I had a question.
Sorry if this question has been answered already but the manual didn't yield any results and I couldn't find anything in this thread.

Is it possible to program in notes with the "keyboard" when not in record mode? Sort of like a 303 I guess, basically select a step and just tap the corresponding key you want for that step. Something I like about my Beatstep Pro is that I can hold down a step in the sequence and press a note pad and the step is assigned that note. It makes for very easy and quick sequencing and I'm rather used to this method for hardware sequencing.
Is there anything like this in the Eloquencer? Everything about it looks great but having to either enter notes manually with the entry knob or record everything would be a bit troublesome for me, other than that it looks perfect for me though...


Hmm. I don't think so. Not that way. You can't do it precisely this because steps and notes share the same "button".
The only way is to chose a step then change the value turning the encoder.




I have a question for all users. What are the best sequencers next to Eloquencer?

I sold an ER 101 and René but kinda regretting my decision.
They are so different for sure, but great friends of Eloquencer.
What are the sequencers you kept after having an Elo?
nullpunkt
Jaypee wrote:
What are the sequencers you kept after having an Elo?


Intellijel Metropolis. For me the most fun sequencer ever.
brandonlogic
nullpunkt wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
What are the sequencers you kept after having an Elo?


Intellijel Metropolis. For me the most fun sequencer ever.

I don't have any other large complex sequencer yet, just the meng qi voltage memory and qbit octone, but I am getting the flxs1 to go with my eloquencer. Flxs1 to handle more melodic sequencing and eloquencer to handle more percussion sequencing.
damase
brandonlogic wrote:
nullpunkt wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
What are the sequencers you kept after having an Elo?


Intellijel Metropolis. For me the most fun sequencer ever.

I don't have any other large complex sequencer yet, just the meng qi voltage memory and qbit octone, but I am getting the flxs1 to go with my eloquencer. Flxs1 to handle more melodic sequencing and eloquencer to handle more percussion sequencing.

Are you finding the elo has shortcomings with its process for sequencing melodies? Other than selecting notes by encoder (im used to this from octatrack)... what is leading to get complimentary sequencers?

I have one on order, was hoping this one would be a good centerpoint for sequenced creation
brandonlogic
damase wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
nullpunkt wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
What are the sequencers you kept after having an Elo?


Intellijel Metropolis. For me the most fun sequencer ever.

I don't have any other large complex sequencer yet, just the meng qi voltage memory and qbit octone, but I am getting the flxs1 to go with my eloquencer. Flxs1 to handle more melodic sequencing and eloquencer to handle more percussion sequencing.

Are you finding the elo has shortcomings with its process for sequencing melodies? Other than selecting notes by encoder (im used to this from octatrack)... what is leading to get complimentary sequencers?

I have one on order, was hoping this one would be a good centerpoint for sequenced creation


no not at all, the eloquencer is excellent for melody, and the cv probability settings are amazing for setting some notes to stray to a quantized note by an amount you set per step. The elo aslo pairs very well with er301, sequencing slices and samples. the adding the flxs1 isnt a necessity, i could easily get by with just the elo, i just like the flxs1 for its a arpeggio powerhouse and has some other great features. plus, its just more voices i can sequence in different ways for more complex songs. i think it will be a killer combo.

edit: i also love the quantizer on the eloquencer, its like a keyboard, you can kind of "play" it, changing quantization of all channels at once. nice and interesting performance tool for melody.
damase
Excellent! No doubt that will be a great combo... i was trying to limit myself to the power of 1 amazing main seqencer and your answer was what I was hoping to hear. Yes ive learned quickly that quantizers that arent layed out by "keyboard style" do not work for me! Thanks
uniquepersonno2
Jaypee wrote:
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Hi there, I'm looking to get an Eloquencer to run my mid-sized system and I had a question.
Sorry if this question has been answered already but the manual didn't yield any results and I couldn't find anything in this thread.

Is it possible to program in notes with the "keyboard" when not in record mode? Sort of like a 303 I guess, basically select a step and just tap the corresponding key you want for that step. Something I like about my Beatstep Pro is that I can hold down a step in the sequence and press a note pad and the step is assigned that note. It makes for very easy and quick sequencing and I'm rather used to this method for hardware sequencing.
Is there anything like this in the Eloquencer? Everything about it looks great but having to either enter notes manually with the entry knob or record everything would be a bit troublesome for me, other than that it looks perfect for me though...


Hmm. I don't think so. Not that way. You can't do it precisely this because steps and notes share the same "button".
The only way is to chose a step then change the value turning the encoder.



Hmm... That's disappointing. Not sure if this will be the sequencer for me then... Other than this problem it has a great feature set but note entry via a knob is so time consuming for me. Much to think about. Thanks for replying!
brandonlogic
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Hi there, I'm looking to get an Eloquencer to run my mid-sized system and I had a question.
Sorry if this question has been answered already but the manual didn't yield any results and I couldn't find anything in this thread.

Is it possible to program in notes with the "keyboard" when not in record mode? Sort of like a 303 I guess, basically select a step and just tap the corresponding key you want for that step. Something I like about my Beatstep Pro is that I can hold down a step in the sequence and press a note pad and the step is assigned that note. It makes for very easy and quick sequencing and I'm rather used to this method for hardware sequencing.
Is there anything like this in the Eloquencer? Everything about it looks great but having to either enter notes manually with the entry knob or record everything would be a bit troublesome for me, other than that it looks perfect for me though...


Hmm. I don't think so. Not that way. You can't do it precisely this because steps and notes share the same "button".
The only way is to chose a step then change the value turning the encoder.



Hmm... That's disappointing. Not sure if this will be the sequencer for me then... Other than this problem it has a great feature set but note entry via a knob is so time consuming for me. Much to think about. Thanks for replying!


i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it... i believe i remember the creator saying earlier in this thread (or somewhere else) that this would be possible a future firmware and would probably come. there is supposed to be an announcement coming about the next firmware soon according to the previous page of this thread. at least wait to see what that update includes before deciding against it.
uniquepersonno2
brandonlogic wrote:
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Hi there, I'm looking to get an Eloquencer to run my mid-sized system and I had a question.
Sorry if this question has been answered already but the manual didn't yield any results and I couldn't find anything in this thread.

Is it possible to program in notes with the "keyboard" when not in record mode? Sort of like a 303 I guess, basically select a step and just tap the corresponding key you want for that step. Something I like about my Beatstep Pro is that I can hold down a step in the sequence and press a note pad and the step is assigned that note. It makes for very easy and quick sequencing and I'm rather used to this method for hardware sequencing.
Is there anything like this in the Eloquencer? Everything about it looks great but having to either enter notes manually with the entry knob or record everything would be a bit troublesome for me, other than that it looks perfect for me though...


Hmm. I don't think so. Not that way. You can't do it precisely this because steps and notes share the same "button".
The only way is to chose a step then change the value turning the encoder.



Hmm... That's disappointing. Not sure if this will be the sequencer for me then... Other than this problem it has a great feature set but note entry via a knob is so time consuming for me. Much to think about. Thanks for replying!


i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it... i believe i remember the creator saying earlier in this thread (or somewhere else) that this would be possible a future firmware and would probably come. there is supposed to be an announcement coming about the next firmware soon according to the previous page of this thread. at least wait to see what that update includes before deciding against it.


Oh really? That's great to hear! I'll keep an eye out for the announcement. It'd be a while before I purchased anything anyway.
brandonlogic
edit
brandonlogic
actually i found where he was talking about recording cv and he actually didnt mention anything about entering notes while not in record mode that i could find, sorry my bad.. i hope it is an option though soon. i would find that useful as well
uniquepersonno2
brandonlogic wrote:
actually i found where he was talking about recording cv and he actually didnt mention anything about entering notes while not in record mode that i could find, sorry my bad.. i hope it is an option though soon. i would find that useful as well


Hmm, too bad... Maybe he'll read this and consider it as a feature!
Daisuk
I really, really hope the new firmware includes a way to transpose patterns, and/or some sort of tone shift (like you can do with the O+C), sort of move all selected notes to the next tone in the scale up or down. That would be sweetness. I really miss a transpose feature in the Eloquencer, very time consuming to have to do it manually. More ratcheting and step mode alternatives would also be very, very much appreciated. I really got spoilt with the ratcheting of the Varigate 8.

Very excited to hear from Eloi over the weekend, and hopefully the new firmware will be out soon. smile
Multi Grooves
brandonlogic wrote:
atte wrote:
fywzheng wrote:
This sequencer vs Zetaohm Fluxus One?


I think is basicslly boils down to the amount of weet you smoke.


I ordered both eek!
Figured I'll be using this mostly for sequencing samples and percussion, and the flxs1 for crazy melodies and modulation!



What would you say are the biggest differences between the two? By all means PM me as it feel wrong potentially rubbishing inside the thread of either of said sequencers in favour of the other...
jwise
Any word if the new firmware was being shown today in Barcelona at Modular Day?
Southfork
jwise wrote:
Any word if the new firmware was being shown today in Barcelona at Modular Day?


Chomping at the bit for new firmware. Did anyone catch winter modular at module day?
brandonlogic
Question for other eloquencer users:
I've had the eloquencer since it was released but havnt tried the freeze function until now. It dosent seem to be working as I expected. So I have a sequence running with all 16 steps set to cv probability to 100% probability to 50%, so basically getting constantly changing randomness. I would expect when I hit freeze it would capture the randomly changing sequence and freeze it (kind like on a Turing machine, switching between random and locked sequence). But when I freeze the pattern, it's still randomly changing. Gate and cv probability are still changing the sequence. If freeze dosnt freeze the current cv and gate values what is it good for? Or am I missing a step? Just following the freeze instructions in the manual.
mdoudoroff
I’m not an Eloquencer user (yet), but my understanding from the demo video was that freeze stores a copy of your sequence (as a parametric setup) so that you can restore to it. Probability (0-100%) is a parameter that is evaluated at run-time, so freeze is storing your parameter setting. You could subsequently change the parameter and then restore to the original setting as part of the frozen setup.

So, freeze is a performance feature in that it allows you to quickly jump back to a known state after some fussing with your sequence, but not a performance feature in that it freezes the actual behavior of your sequence.
Daisuk
mdoudoroff wrote:
I’m not an Eloquencer user (yet), but my understanding from the demo video was that freeze stores a copy of your sequence (as a parametric setup) so that you can restore to it. Probability (0-100%) is a parameter that is evaluated at run-time, so freeze is storing your parameter setting. You could subsequently change the parameter and then restore to the original setting as part of the frozen setup.

So, freeze is a performance feature in that it allows you to quickly jump back to a known state after some fussing with your sequence, but not a performance feature in that it freezes the actual behavior of your sequence.


Yep, this is indeed how freeze works. smile
SonicVoltage
brandonlogic wrote:
Question for other eloquencer users:
I've had the eloquencer since it was released but havnt tried the freeze function until now. It dosent seem to be working as I expected. So I have a sequence running with all 16 steps set to cv probability to 100% probability to 50%, so basically getting constantly changing randomness. I would expect when I hit freeze it would capture the randomly changing sequence and freeze it (kind like on a Turing machine, switching between random and locked sequence). But when I freeze the pattern, it's still randomly changing. Gate and cv probability are still changing the sequence. If freeze doesn't freeze the current cv and gate values what is it good for? Or am I missing a step? Just following the freeze instructions in the manual.



Freeze is for you to improvise live, try ideas... without losing the original pattern you start from.

You have a pattern... hit Freeze... now you can change anything you want, CVs, probability, etc... have fun... then when you want to go back to your original pattern simply hit Revert and you get that original pattern back

BUT... DO NOT MOVE TO A NEW PATTERN while messing about or you will lose the pattern that was (Frozen) stored in the Freeze memory.

This is how it has been designed to work. The Freeze will hold your original pattern only as long as you do not change pattern after you press Freeze.
Daisuk
I asked Eloi on Facebook when the new firmware would be released, and got this reply.

Quote:
the new SW will be released during 2nd batch release
around next week


w00t
miguel_eedl
Daisuk wrote:
I really, really hope the new firmware includes a way to transpose patterns, and/or some sort of tone shift (like you can do with the O+C), sort of move all selected notes to the next tone in the scale up or down. That would be sweetness. I really miss a transpose feature in the Eloquencer, very time consuming to have to do it manually. More ratcheting and step mode alternatives would also be very, very much appreciated. I really got spoilt with the ratcheting of the Varigate 8.

Very excited to hear from Eloi over the weekend, and hopefully the new firmware will be out soon. smile


Good news, Tranposing will be possible by holding the track button and rotating the encoder while in cv mode
Daisuk
miguel_eedl wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I really, really hope the new firmware includes a way to transpose patterns, and/or some sort of tone shift (like you can do with the O+C), sort of move all selected notes to the next tone in the scale up or down. That would be sweetness. I really miss a transpose feature in the Eloquencer, very time consuming to have to do it manually. More ratcheting and step mode alternatives would also be very, very much appreciated. I really got spoilt with the ratcheting of the Varigate 8.

Very excited to hear from Eloi over the weekend, and hopefully the new firmware will be out soon. smile


Good news, Tranposing will be possible by holding the track button and rotating the encoder while in cv mode


Yes! Nice! That is great news indeed! Mr. Green Awesome. Can you share any other features of the new firmware? smile
Tonefloat01
I've been to their website and subscribed to their mailing list but have never received an email regarding a second run... Anyone know if these will be able to purchase after the initial Kickstarter yield?
monoscan
I really want to dump my Stillson Hammer 2 for one of these. I feel like this thing is what I've been waiting for
wanne
monoscan wrote:
I really want to dump my Stillson Hammer 2 for one of these. I feel like this thing is what I've been waiting for


i did applause
brandonlogic
i would really like to see the ratchet speed be consistent when changing a specific tracks clock multiplication. right now it seems the ratcheting speed dosent change when you change a tracks clock mult. this makes ratcheting not very useful to me when using any multiplication, which is unfortunate.

also, select which channels you would like quantzaion on instead of all of them? (you cant do this already can you???)
enoughframes
brandonlogic wrote:
i would really like to see the ratchet speed be consistent when changing a specific tracks clock multiplication. right now it seems the ratcheting speed dosent change when you change a tracks clock mult. this makes ratcheting not very useful to me when using any multiplication, which is unfortunate.

also, select which channels you would like quantzaion on instead of all of them? (you cant do this already can you???)


you mean when STEP MODE is in mode DIV?
if is that... it's done ! smile now the ratcheting is consistent

CV quantization it's no longer a project parameter, now can be assign to every pattern, not to every track.
brandonlogic
enoughframes wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
i would really like to see the ratchet speed be consistent when changing a specific tracks clock multiplication. right now it seems the ratcheting speed dosent change when you change a tracks clock mult. this makes ratcheting not very useful to me when using any multiplication, which is unfortunate.

also, select which channels you would like quantzaion on instead of all of them? (you cant do this already can you???)


you mean when STEP MODE is in mode DIV?
if is that... it's done ! smile now the ratcheting is consistent

CV quantization it's no longer a project parameter, now can be assign to every pattern, not to every track.



yes, STEP MODE is in mode DIV is what i meant. good to hear that's fixed!!

the problem with not being able to turn off cv quantization per track is it becomes a problem when i want to use some tracks for pitch sequencing and other channels for sequencing samples on a sampler module. the quantizaion turned on or changed then throws off the sample selection cv. It would be idea to only have quantization on tracks being used for pitch, and not on tracks being used for other things
SonicVoltage
I have just added a video to my Youtube Channel, a full Review of Winter Modular Eloquencer. I show all the features present in the Eloquencer, how it works, etc...

So, especially in the case you do not yet own the Eloquencer, you can easily see most of what it can do, at least all the options/edits/modes/structure are explored.



The video is long but in the YouTube description, under the video, there is a clickable index to quickly move between sections if you need to


Video Index
(In the YouTube description you can actually click each topic to quickly move between them )
00:00 Introduction
00:35 Visual Appeal
01:36 Layout - Interface
05:09 Multifunctional Buttons
08:34 Song Structure
09:40 Song Building
14:47 Pattern & Tracks (Copy, Paste, Duplicate, Clear...)
19:20 Create & Edit Tracks (CV, Gate, Ratchet, Probability...)
30:56 Tempo: (Int/Ext Clock, Master Track)
38:15 Shuffle - Scale/Modes
40:27 Step Modes (Forward, Pendulum, Random, etc...)
43:28 Track Shift
44:22 Track Length per Track
46:06 Random
49:24 Fill
50:24 Live Rec: Free Play Mode
52:46 Live Rec: CV Key Rec
53:51 Live Rec: Gate Rec (e.g. drum pads)
54:36 Mute (LFO and MOD mode not yet present)
55:15 AUX (options for Gate and Reset)
56:53 Freeze / Revert
58:45 CV Inputs 1 & 2 - CV Assign (Options Menu)
01:09:09 Voltage Output Test-Measurements
01:13:05 Conclusion - Opinion

I hope you guys find this useful.
chess1
Is it possible to live play patterns (unquantized song mode triggering) and apply ratcheting effects ? If so I am sold.
NoobOlar
SonicVoltage wrote:
I have just added a video to my Youtube Channel, a full Review of Winter Modular Eloquencer. I show all the features present in the Eloquencer, how it works, etc...

So, especially in the case you do not yet own the Eloquencer, you can easily see most of what it can do, at least all the options/edits/modes/structure are explored.



The video is long but in the YouTube description, under the video, there is a clickable index to quickly move between sections if you need to


Video Index
(In the YouTube description you can actually click each topic to quickly move between them )
00:00 Introduction
00:35 Visual Appeal
01:36 Layout - Interface
05:09 Multifunctional Buttons
08:34 Song Structure
09:40 Song Building
14:47 Pattern & Tracks (Copy, Paste, Duplicate, Clear...)
19:20 Create & Edit Tracks (CV, Gate, Ratchet, Probability...)
30:56 Tempo: (Int/Ext Clock, Master Track)
38:15 Shuffle - Scale/Modes
40:27 Step Modes (Forward, Pendulum, Random, etc...)
43:28 Track Shift
44:22 Track Length per Track
46:06 Random
49:24 Fill
50:24 Live Rec: Free Play Mode
52:46 Live Rec: CV Key Rec
53:51 Live Rec: Gate Rec (e.g. drum pads)
54:36 Mute (LFO and MOD mode not yet present)
55:15 AUX (options for Gate and Reset)
56:53 Freeze / Revert
58:45 CV Inputs 1 & 2 - CV Assign (Options Menu)
01:09:09 Voltage Output Test-Measurements
01:13:05 Conclusion - Opinion

I hope you guys find this useful.


This is excellent! Thank you
djthopa
Thanks for this! thumbs up
mdoudoroff
Thank you, SonicVoltage. Very helpful!
Daisuk
Just spotted this on the Winter Modular Facebook page, written in the comments:

mostly bug solving,
but some new features: scale and root per pattern, shortkeys, multistep editing, cv key rec working in song mode (so long melodies can be recorded), cv inputs near to be tuned to connect V/oct signals, random mode by octaves and semitones, shortkeys, tap tempo, ratcheting proportional in the division step mode...

there are two ports for expansion but not yet decided, 8 extra CV outputs is one of the options.


Sounds good to me! smile Hoping for the possibility to mulitply clock in step mode as well (for faster ratchets), but maybe not this time.
mecanikill
Daisuk wrote:
Just spotted this on the Winter Modular Facebook page, written in the comments:

mostly bug solving,
but some new features: scale and root per pattern, shortkeys, multistep editing, cv key rec working in song mode (so long melodies can be recorded), cv inputs near to be tuned to connect V/oct signals, random mode by octaves and semitones, shortkeys, tap tempo, ratcheting proportional in the division step mode...

there are two ports for expansion but not yet decided, 8 extra CV outputs is one of the options.


Sounds good to me! smile Hoping for the possibility to mulitply clock in step mode as well (for faster ratchets), but maybe not this time.

Very awesome I can't wait for this update!
Southfork
Is un-quantised cv outputs working yet? Would be great to use this for more than pitch and triggers!
Multi Grooves
Multi Grooves wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
atte wrote:
fywzheng wrote:
This sequencer vs Zetaohm Fluxus One?


I think is basicslly boils down to the amount of weet you smoke.


I ordered both eek!
Figured I'll be using this mostly for sequencing samples and percussion, and the flxs1 for crazy melodies and modulation!



What would you say are the biggest differences between the two? By all means PM me as it feel wrong potentially rubbishing inside the thread of either of said sequencers in favour of the other...
brandonlogic
PM'ed Multi Grooves.
matttech
Southfork wrote:
Is un-quantised cv outputs working yet? Would be great to use this for more than pitch and triggers!


Does it matter if they're quantized if you're just sending them to other parameters such as filter cut-off, wave folder amount etc..?
damase
Has anybody heard whether or no LFO mode will be implemented?
Daisuk
damase wrote:
Has anybody heard whether or no LFO mode will be implemented?


Yeah, not for this update - but will be in the next. smile
Southfork
matttech wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Is un-quantised cv outputs working yet? Would be great to use this for more than pitch and triggers!


Does it matter if they're quantized if you're just sending them to other parameters such as filter cut-off, wave folder amount etc..?


I guess you can work around it. But you have to work out what note equates to voltage etc, when you have the lovely oled that could show the voltage values. ER-101 and varigate 8 do it. Would have to be a monstrous patch to be using 8 lanes of pitch cv!
roya
Does anyone know if it's possible to manually play one "step" and get all trigs and CVs sent out?

Would like to know if it's a good pair for the BIA where I can use multiple CV tracks while adjusting each step and CV output at a time.
Jaypee
Any chance to have a start/stop on CV inputs?

At the moment, I start the sequencer manually lol
Im asking cause right now it's impossible to use shuffle with external clock.
And I NEEEEEEED this function. So my idea was to use the internal clock but be able to start the sequencer sync'ed with my system.... help
Lineofcontrol
For those of you that have one.

I know in the LIVE recording mode you have the pseudo keyboard with the Octave up and down lights in green on steps 1 and 8.
Is this same Octave functionality available for STEP entry? So i could transpose a step multiple octaves with just a few presses rather than with the scroll wheel?

I was wondering if this Octave light could be implemented for live play?
Have a sequence running and if you press the octave buttons it would in real time shift the pattern up or down an octave. I use this ALL the time on on Audio damage seq 1.

Is there a way to input a pattern of steps via a CV enabled keyboard? ie. like an SH101?
hawkfuzz
matttech wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Is un-quantised cv outputs working yet? Would be great to use this for more than pitch and triggers!


Does it matter if they're quantized if you're just sending them to other parameters such as filter cut-off, wave folder amount etc..?


So no...?
Jaypee
How do you guys doing if you want to program some triplets notes?

In the manual we can read:



But in practice, I can't access to the last --X
Is that a bug?

No swing from ext input, no triplet I'm like sad banana
RonF
When is the next batch coming?
echox
From the Facebook page:
Quote:

We are sorry but we are going to delay the launch of the eloquencer in our shop by one more day.

Posted on October, 2nd.
https://www.facebook.com/wintermodular/posts/344806139279342

Waiting since weeks and postings like
Quote:
if everything goes fine, next week we will release 2nd eloq batch and new software!
are super annoying if nothing happens after another 3 weeks, but one has to be patient ;-)
Jaypee
yes, very annoying!
echox
Received a "Back in Stock" Email right now and ordered mine smile

applause applause applause It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners
Southfork
echox wrote:
Received a "Back in Stock" Email right now and ordered mine smile

applause applause applause It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners


New firmware??? hyper
interpolate
I hope he made enough of them.

My pre order is still dangling out there on PCA
Lineofcontrol
I ordered and paid 9 mins after the batch was released!!!
It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners Rockin' Banana! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!
RonF
Just ordered!
nikarga
I am a very happy owner.. id like to see the clock output higher multiples to work with my Tanzbar which relies on the classic Midi 24 ppq format... at them moment the max clock output is x2 multiplyer which is too slow for the dancing bear.... syncing the Eloquencer from the Tanzbar however works as long as the clock divider (at the input) is /6.

Otherwise excellent module so far, loving it!
Innerself2007
Quick question,
Is the Eloquencer capable of creating long gates? For example can I have a note sustain for 14 "beats" of a 16 beat sequence? Is this where ties come in?

I have a Stillson Hammer mk2 and Im unable to get long gates like this, although it has a tie function (I could be doing something wrong)
Also have a Varigate 8 and have had no luck

So far the only sequencer in Euro that I have seen that allows this easily is the metropolis, or at least you can have a note sustain for 8 pulses

Thanks for any help
Daisuk
Innerself2007 wrote:
Quick question,
Is the Eloquencer capable of creating long gates? For example can I have a note sustain for 14 "beats" of a 16 beat sequence? Is this where ties come in?

I have a Stillson Hammer mk2 and Im unable to get long gates like this, although it has a tie function (I could be doing something wrong)
Also have a Varigate 8 and have had no luck

So far the only sequencer in Euro that I have seen that allows this easily is the metropolis, or at least you can have a note sustain for 8 pulses

Thanks for any help


You can use ties for this, yes.
mdoudoroff
In stock at Control, so the second batch should be arriving everywhere it is expected.

And I’ve joined the club!
This is fun!
Innerself2007
Daisuk wrote:
Innerself2007 wrote:
Quick question,
Is the Eloquencer capable of creating long gates? For example can I have a note sustain for 14 "beats" of a 16 beat sequence? Is this where ties come in?

I have a Stillson Hammer mk2 and Im unable to get long gates like this, although it has a tie function (I could be doing something wrong)
Also have a Varigate 8 and have had no luck

So far the only sequencer in Euro that I have seen that allows this easily is the metropolis, or at least you can have a note sustain for 8 pulses

Thanks for any help


You can use ties for this, yes.


Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply
Dark Barn
But, you can also do ties with Stillson Hammer and the Varigate 8+.
Daisuk
Dark Barn wrote:
But, you can also do ties with Stillson Hammer and the Varigate 8+.


Yes, innerself, it depends on the eg you're using, I imagine. I need to set my quadra to adsr mode to get the sustain. Goes without saying, maybe, but thought I'd mention it. smile
SmokyClap
I was highly considering buying the Stillson Hammer Mk2 but, this thing may change my mind. Mind-blowing amount of features.
aeonblack
I don't need another sequencer, but I really like sequencers, so....screw it. One more for the stable!
Innerself2007
Dark Barn wrote:
But, you can also do ties with Stillson Hammer and the Varigate 8+.


That's what I thought, but was never able to get them to sustain as long as I hoped.
Daisuk I think you are right that it has to do with the EG I am using.
I am a couple years into this modular thing now but consider myself still a major newbie.
I think my problem is I usually go straight from my sequencers gate output straight into Optimix/Linux. Thinking I need to throw Maths in between gate output and VCA. Will try this week. Always learning.
Thanks for the replies and sorry to hijack this thread with Modular 101 talk.
Now I just need to sell the Stillson Hammer to afford this thing, looks like almost everything I want in a sequencer.
Anechoic
What’s the latest on the update to the firmware? Thx
Jaypee
Hope WM will implement the swing with ext clock.
Shuffle per track would be amazing!
Otherwise I will sell it to get back an ER 101! help
nikarga
I've had mine for a couple of days only and the ease of use is just ridiculous.
I have never used something so intuitive, short of the Elektron machinedrum smile

I am meant to be receiving my Cirklon this month and wondering if CV/Gate is really necessary as I already have Brains/PP and Rene already in my Shared System... MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Jaypee
nikarga wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of days only and the ease of use is just ridiculous.
I have never used something so intuitive, short of the Elektron machinedrum smile

I am meant to be receiving my Cirklon this month and wondering if CV/Gate is really necessary as I already have Brains/PP and Rene already in my Shared System... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


pleaaaaase compare cirklon and Eloquencer when you have both!
Im on the list for a Cirklon too!
nikarga
Jaypee wrote:
pleaaaaase compare cirklon and Eloquencer when you have both!
Im on the list for a Cirklon too!


I definitely plan on doing so. My guess is that the Cirklon is not as playable/immediate. But now it's left me thinking.. to CVIO or not to CVIO on the Cirklon... hmmm.....
Daisuk
Jaypee wrote:
nikarga wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of days only and the ease of use is just ridiculous.
I have never used something so intuitive, short of the Elektron machinedrum smile

I am meant to be receiving my Cirklon this month and wondering if CV/Gate is really necessary as I already have Brains/PP and Rene already in my Shared System... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


pleaaaaase compare cirklon and Eloquencer when you have both!
Im on the list for a Cirklon too!


I've had a cirklon and now have an eloquencer. What do you want to know? I massively prefer the eloquencer. smile
nikarga
Eloquencer or Cirklon with CVIO?

For midi and depth, Cirklon is king.. but think with the Eloquencer more fun for CV/Gate duties?
Jaypee
Daisuk wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
nikarga wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of days only and the ease of use is just ridiculous.
I have never used something so intuitive, short of the Elektron machinedrum smile

I am meant to be receiving my Cirklon this month and wondering if CV/Gate is really necessary as I already have Brains/PP and Rene already in my Shared System... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


pleaaaaase compare cirklon and Eloquencer when you have both!
Im on the list for a Cirklon too!


I've had a cirklon and now have an eloquencer. What do you want to know? I massively prefer the eloquencer. smile


Interesting!
To be honest I don't see what Cirklon can do than Elo can't.
But I'm not an expert at all! Never used Cirklon.
Do you care to elaborate? I'm very very interested
ranzen
I should receive the elo and the social entropy engine next week, if anyone is interested in that specific comparison Miley Cyrus
Jaypee
ranzen wrote:
I should receive the elo and the social entropy engine next week, if anyone is interested in that specific comparison Miley Cyrus



sure!!! let's create a thread
Eloquencer vs rest of the world
wanne
Anechoic wrote:
What’s the latest on the update to the firmware? Thx


yep...whats up with the new fw seriously, i just don't get it
Southfork
Jaypee wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
nikarga wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of days only and the ease of use is just ridiculous.
I have never used something so intuitive, short of the Elektron machinedrum smile

I am meant to be receiving my Cirklon this month and wondering if CV/Gate is really necessary as I already have Brains/PP and Rene already in my Shared System... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


pleaaaaase compare cirklon and Eloquencer when you have both!
Im on the list for a Cirklon too!


I've had a cirklon and now have an eloquencer. What do you want to know? I massively prefer the eloquencer. smile


Interesting!
To be honest I don't see what Cirklon can do than Elo can't.
But I'm not an expert at all! Never used Cirklon.
Do you care to elaborate? I'm very very interested


I think one of the CirKlon pro's it sequences midi too so you get all your outboard kit in sync thumbs up
echox
Ordered mine on 4/Oct, Shipped one day later, got an UPS message with planed delivery for 9/Oct.

Nice smile

Just in case anybody else is wondering if shipping will take a long time. It didn't here smile
brandonlogic
question about playing back parts:
i'm sure i'm just missing something obvious, but it seems that when I play back a part containing two patterns for example, i cant edit the patterns while they are playing back. I need to stop/exit part (or song) mode and go back to the single pattern and edit it. this makes writing sequences that are longer than 16 steps creatively difficult because you cant write/edit your long melody seamlessly as its playing through the linked patterns, you need to write them in 16 step chunks and then link them together. also, editing while in part or song mode is important for live. im sure you can do this, im just missing something?
Jaypee
brandonlogic wrote:
question about playing back parts:
i'm sure i'm just missing something obvious, but it seems that when I play back a part containing two patterns for example, i cant edit the patterns while they are playing back. I need to stop/exit part (or song) mode and go back to the single pattern and edit it. this makes writing sequences that are longer than 16 steps creatively difficult because you cant write/edit your long melody seamlessly as its playing through the linked patterns, you need to write them in 16 step chunks and then link them together. also, editing while in part or song mode is important for live. im sure you can do this, im just missing something?


Same here.
I sent an e mail to Eloi about it. Hope he'll do something about it soon cool
Multi Grooves
Is there any talk of an update to allow tracks of different lengths to be able to play independently? Also to allow them to be programmed as separate entities? Also independent channel quantisation...will this be added??
Multi Grooves
Does anyone else frequenting this page use the FLUXS1 also- I get they're different but I'd love to get some perspective on their differences. PM me.
brandonlogic
Multi Grooves wrote:
Does anyone else frequenting this page use the FLUXS1 also- I get they're different but I'd love to get some perspective on their differences. PM me.

That has not shipped yet.. there’s only a few beta testers who have them.
Patate le mage
To BrandonLogic

Yes you are missing something :
Let say your pattern are A1 and A2.
Song is playing.
Func+Pattern
You can change the pattern to edit here, clicking on it.
Then press gate for example, and you are editing the pattern you want to.
brandonlogic
Patate le mage wrote:
To BrandonLogic

Yes you are missing something :
Let say your pattern are A1 and A2.
Song is playing.
Func+Pattern
You can change the pattern to edit here, clicking on it.
Then press gate for example, and you are editing the pattern you want to.


Sweet thanks for the tip!
RGB
does this new batch of modules ship loaded with the updated firmware?
Anechoic
RGB wrote:
does this new batch of modules ship loaded with the updated firmware?


Latest batch unit came with version 1_0_4 installed.

Not sure what the latest is on the firmware update release.
radiokoala
Waiting for mine to arrive soon! screaming goo yo

Anyone knows how many were made this time?
brotherbeard
radiokoala wrote:
Waiting for mine to arrive soon! screaming goo yo

Anyone knows how many were made this time?


In the same boat, Koala applause
I can only hope that the web store was set in such a way to know when last unit had been sold. Crossing fingers!
Dusty Patches
After waiting for months, just pulled the trigger on one of these. Got mine from Detroit Modular.
Bitmud
I get mine today. hyper

Nice sequencer in a nice package with two stickers and the bafaco knurlies.

This is my setup:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/379687

...but I have one issue!

The reset (trigger input) is not switching on the first step.
I have to shift all notes and gates one step back to start with step 16.

I guess this is not the "normal" behaviour. help
bajkill
Very cool
Bitmud
bajkill wrote:
Very cool


thanks!
My test run is still working.
I trigger four envelops and I'm using 8 CV out for pitch and filter control so far.
Everything works fine, but the wish list get filled more and more. hihi
Pattern and song mode is neat.

I guess the OS is still a good beta.

The reset issue makes me sick, but the only downer so far.

nanners
nikarga
how do existing owners download the latest firmware? on their website there is no support and i cannot create a profile.. I didnt buy from him direct but from Jason (who btw is the man) at signal sounds.

ohhh im loving it so far as is... higher multiplier on the clock output please!
Southfork
nikarga wrote:
how do existing owners download the latest firmware? on their website there is no support and i cannot create a profile.. I didnt buy from him direct but from Jason (who btw is the man) at signal sounds.

ohhh im loving it so far as is... higher multiplier on the clock output please!


We're still waiting for the new firmware as far as I'm aware fap fap fap...
nikarga
Fencing ok
mdoudoroff
Just some musing while I try to wrap my head around composing with the Eloquencer.

A part can only comprise up to sixteen (16-step) patterns, and I’ve already found I can quickly run out of space if I try to do too much. So, it seems best to me to think of a part as the abstraction that gets you past the 16-step limit (enabling up to 256 steps).

Meanwhile, a song can sequence up to 256 parts, so it’s a much roomier place to build up structure.

As it stands, metasequencing seems pretty rudimentary here (while being far more than nearly any other sequencer offers): you can build these metasequences of parts and songs, but you cannot revise them without starting over. While the module provides class-leading visual support for sequencing a pattern, there’s basically no visual support for meta sequencing. (I can’t help but imagine what if that large LED matrix was, instead, an LCD or OLED display.)

I’m also already a bit frustrated how many steps are involved copying and pasting track data between patterns: seems really tedious. Or maybe I’m overlooking something?
Bitmud
mdoudoroff wrote:
Just some musing while I try to wrap my head around composing with the Eloquencer.

A part can only comprise up to sixteen (16-step) patterns, and I’ve already found I can quickly run out of space if I try to do too much. So, it seems best to me to think of a part as the abstraction that gets you past the 16-step limit (enabling up to 256 steps).

Meanwhile, a song can sequence up to 256 parts, so it’s a much roomier place to build up structure.

As it stands, metasequencing seems pretty rudimentary here (while being far more than nearly any other sequencer offers): you can build these metasequences of parts and songs, but you cannot revise them without starting over. While the module provides class-leading visual support for sequencing a pattern, there’s basically no visual support for meta sequencing. (I can’t help but imagine what if that large LED matrix was, instead, an LCD or OLED display.)

I’m also already a bit frustrated how many steps are involved copying and pasting track data between patterns: seems really tedious. Or maybe I’m overlooking something?


I also like to compose melodies and evolving structures in my songs and this is possible to make with the Eloquencer.
It gives you not the same random results like a turing machine or the easy workflow (beyond 16-step sequences) of a Electron machine, but for me it is a very useful tool with both aspects in one machine.
The pattern mode brings the 1 - 16 steps parts together. A dedicated button for the patten length or chan up pattern would be nice, but the workflow with the oled display and a pattern programming is quite nice.

Just my two cents.

By the way, a micro SD card for saving and loading projects or firmware updates is also included.
Multi Grooves
Just piecing this together vicariously from other's experience.

Am I right in guessing that it is similar to the machine drum in how it 'handles' poly rhythm patterns? i.e. locked to 16 steps and anything less is a bit of a fudge?
Also quantisation is currently global?
..Is there a list of requests that will be addressed?
lobra
an insane amount of cv and gates.. could see this being big
mdoudoroff
lobra wrote:
an insane amount of cv and gates.. could see this being big


It’s already big. It isn’t even finished yet, and each batch sells out within hours.

But as with everything, the devil is in the details. Especially with sequencers.
Bitmud
first test run with the eloquencer

hf smile

https://soundcloud.com/bitmud/bitmud-eloquencer-demo123-bpm-cmin


- Sequencer synced via MIDI 2 CV module (ES-3 + NI Reaktor is not working stable at the moment)
- Sound sources: Dixie II+, Rubicon, Rings[/img] and Pico VCO
- Beats from the Elektron Rytm
Bitmud
Multi Grooves wrote:
Just piecing this together vicariously from other's experience.

Am I right in guessing that it is similar to the machine drum in how it 'handles' poly rhythm patterns? i.e. locked to 16 steps and anything less is a bit of a fudge?
Also quantisation is currently global?
..Is there a list of requests that will be addressed?


16 steps and shorter is easy to make.
Just push [Function] + [TRK LEN] and select the track (A..H) you want to change the step length. Change start and end point (e. g. 3 - 9) voila, done.

More then 16 steps is the issue. You have to copy and past pattern and create an part (265 parts max.). After that you have to activate the song mode. This is much better solved on the Rytm (16 steps are 1/4 of a part).

I guess quantisation is global and fixed. There is no menu point and no hint in the manual. The only option to get some groove in this machine is the ratchet mode or a modulation on some envelopes.

LFO and MOD mode is in firmware 1.0.4 not available.
Shuffle is also global and is not working with external sync.

You can find my track 2 made with song mode with 12 pattern in 4 parts.
Thanks for listening! smile

Eloquencer Pt. II
s.l.o.w
Just got mine!

Looking forward to digging in.
interpolate
Got mine today. Loving it! Got to about page 4 of the manual then jammed for the rest of the night. applause
chess1
Is there a way to manually trigger preset patterns independent of a pattern chain ?

I think this would be an excellent feature if not already in the current firmware.
Muse FTW
Got this yesterday and immediately put it in my case, then realized I have to reassess my setup because this is such a powerful module. I am impressed at how intuitive the module is, especially the function buttons. With Elektron experience, this is a breeze.

I can't wait to dive a little deeper with it. but my first major takeaway is that I feel like I need a bigger case because it's such a uniquely powerful sequencer and I want all of my voice and drum modules near it, and there's only so much room in a case.

One interesting phenomenon I noticed, though, was that my Pam's New Workout wasn't clocking it correctly. I set the Eloquencer to external clock, but it was half the BPM + 1 (i.e. if I fed it 140 it gave me 71). Anyone else experience this?
restlessboy
Mine's just arrived and is sitting on my desk at work saying 'go home'.

Personally I've bought an Erica Pico case to put it in - think it will feel nice having it in its own standalone box. It is biiiiiiiiig for someone who tries to stick to single self-contained cases.

Wondering what to do with the other 4HP in the case. Got some mults that can go in there for now but that feels like it'll be spaghetti hell. Any suggestions for a 4HP pal?
nikarga
Hmm that Pico case is awesome.. i see it has power too.. so you can utilize the 4HP..

Agree a case on its own is mighty tasty... This also looks enticing, a 42HP little Frap Tools case.. alongside a TipTop Micro Zues to power it (4HP):

http://frap.tools/portfolio/plus/
restlessboy
Yep, power included.

Just wish it was 44HP - ideally I'd like to sometimes use it for a Tempi/Rene combo. *sigh* Why is life so cruel? waah
brotherbeard
Restlessboy - what else could go into 4hp other than a Disting mk4? smile All joking aside, actually might be worth considering. Talk about a "utility box" - Eloquencer & D mk4 side by side? Might be very tasty.

Might be a train wreck, so further study required!

Cheers
-Bro B
restlessboy
I've never fancied a Disting. The idea of billions of functions hidden behind a few cryptic lights.... *shudder*

But this is the Eloquencer thread, and I don't wish to start a vicious battle regarding the merits of disting.

I was thinking maybe a Pico RND or something?
radiokoala
I would get Pico Drums, that would make most sense to me.
nikarga
I had a disting mk4.. nice little module but agree, menus.. the pico drums looks tasty too!
mdoudoroff
Clawing my way up the learning curve (still naive).

Major (naive) gripe: inability to copy/paste multiple tracks. This feels crippling if you’re trying to build up a multi-pattern (i.e., more than sixteen steps) idea. I think the copy operation needs to be two step: you initiate copy mode as now, but then let go of the FUNC and COPY buttons to choose the parameters and tracks you wish to copy, then confirm by tapping the encoder (or perhaps simply by switching modes). Paste can work the same as it does now.

Medium (naive) gripe: pattern mode really seems to deserve its own dedicated button. Obviously, that ship has sailed. Might be nice if FUNC+RATCHET could be a shortcut to pattern mode.

Medium (not-so-naive) gripe: as a customer, there seems to be no obvious way to contact Winter Modular (e.g., email). I don’t like that.

Heads-up for potential purchasers: while the graphics on the panel are elegantly designed, the orange text and lines are pretty much invisible in low light.
mdoudoroff
Bitmud wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
Am I right in guessing that it is similar to the machine drum in how it 'handles' poly rhythm patterns? i.e. locked to 16 steps and anything less is a bit of a fudge?


16 steps and shorter is easy to make.
Just push [Function] + [TRK LEN] and select the track (A..H) you want to change the step length. Change start and end point (e. g. 3 - 9) voila, done.

More then 16 steps is the issue. You have to copy and past pattern and create an part (265 parts max.). After that you have to activate the song mode. This is much better solved on the Rytm (16 steps are 1/4 of a part).


Another factor with the Eloquencer is the shadowy “master track” which automatically resets every track (by default) every sixteen steps. You can increase the master track length (up to 64 max), slave it to a particular track, or defeat it on a track-by-track basis, but otherwise it’s there resetting away. I guess it’s nice to have, but it’s a little odd how—out of the box—it effectively defeats pendulum mode until you change the configuration!
brotherbeard
Oh, lordy. Well, mine arrives day after tomorrow. Guess I'll find out by this time next week if I've wasted a rather large amount of money... d'oh!

Cheers!
-Bro B
Daisuk
mdoudoroff wrote:
Clawing my way up the learning curve (still naive).

Major (naive) gripe: inability to copy/paste multiple tracks. This feels crippling if you’re trying to build up a multi-pattern (i.e., more than sixteen steps) idea. I think the copy operation needs to be two step: you initiate copy mode as now, but then let go of the FUNC and COPY buttons to choose the parameters and tracks you wish to copy, then confirm by tapping the encoder (or perhaps simply by switching modes). Paste can work the same as it does now.

Medium (naive) gripe: pattern mode really seems to deserve its own dedicated button. Obviously, that ship has sailed. Might be nice if FUNC+RATCHET could be a shortcut to pattern mode.

Medium (not-so-naive) gripe: as a customer, there seems to be no obvious way to contact Winter Modular (e.g., email). I don’t like that.

Heads-up for potential purchasers: while the graphics on the panel are elegantly designed, the orange text and lines are pretty much invisible in low light.


You know the duplicate function will copy and paste all tracks into a new pattern, right? It's ace. Also, winter modular is very quick to respond on Facebook, if you're on that. Always replies within hours.
mdoudoroff
Daisuk wrote:
You know the duplicate function will copy and paste all tracks into a new pattern, right? It's ace.


Yes, it’s a good convenience, and works well if you build up a bunch of tracks in one pattern, then you want to create a variation of the whole set.

It’s not helpful if you work out, say, a melody over two or more patterns and then you want to fill in the supporting tracks. Right now it seems you’re stuck in a juggling act with tons of repetitive, error-prone copy/paste operations.

Daisuk wrote:
Also, winter modular is very quick to respond on Facebook, if you're on that. Always replies within hours.


Good to know.
Bitmud
chess1 wrote:
Is there a way to manually trigger preset patterns independent of a pattern chain ?

I think this would be an excellent feature if not already in the current firmware.


I guess it is possible.
Use [FUNC] + [SONG] and scroll to Play parts.
Know you can see your created parts (e. g. A1 A2 A3 ...) with green LED on.
If you push the corresponding button the song mode goes to ON and only the activated part start playing in a loop.

Or [FUNC] + [PATTERN] for the same thing but with pattern (16 step max.) instead of parts with song mode to OFF .

Loop on / off function doesn't work here. The loop is always playing.

Know you can jam with your created parts or pattern smile
Bitmud
Muse FTW wrote:
One interesting phenomenon I noticed, though, was that my Pam's New Workout wasn't clocking it correctly. I set the Eloquencer to external clock, but it was half the BPM + 1 (i.e. if I fed it 140 it gave me 71). Anyone else experience this?


Yes, me too.
External trigger themes to be a bit incorrect at the moment. I try to trigger with ES-3 (MK4) and Reaktor via PC and via Intellijel µMIDI (Clock, Reset) both are not running super tight.
Reset is sometimes not correct and some *hiccups* at the beginning.

A list of 'know issues' would be nice and a easy way to contact Winter modular.

...with all the criticism, I enjoy this little sequencer. thumbs up
Bitmud
mdoudoroff wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
Am I right in guessing that it is similar to the machine drum in how it 'handles' poly rhythm patterns? i.e. locked to 16 steps and anything less is a bit of a fudge?


16 steps and shorter is easy to make.
Just push [Function] + [TRK LEN] and select the track (A..H) you want to change the step length. Change start and end point (e. g. 3 - 9) voila, done.

More then 16 steps is the issue. You have to copy and past pattern and create an part (265 parts max.). After that you have to activate the song mode. This is much better solved on the Rytm (16 steps are 1/4 of a part).


Another factor with the Eloquencer is the shadowy “master track” which automatically resets every track (by default) every sixteen steps. You can increase the master track length (up to 64 max), slave it to a particular track, or defeat it on a track-by-track basis, but otherwise it’s there resetting away. I guess it’s nice to have, but it’s a little odd how—out of the box—it effectively defeats pendulum mode until you change the configuration!


Yes, I notice the "master track" option. If I understand that correctly, is it like a loop length for the pattern change. If you like to change your pattern manually the changes happens after the set value of the master track (internal only) e. g. 32 steps.
I like more an option for a direct or pattern ends behaviour per pattern.
dirtbudda
If anyone is still looking detroit modular still shows having some instock. Rockin' Banana! nanners
savethisrocketship
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up
Multi Grooves
I sold my SEQ-01 in anticipation but I have some doubts about this. It's a bit annoying having been without a master sequencer for many months now with the wait potentially going much longer...
Daisuk
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile
Bitmud
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!
Jaypee
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


I clock my ELO' from my DAW (Ableton) sending a trig thru the ES-3.
No problem! T I G H T sync!
Bitmud
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


I clock my ELO' from my DAW (Ableton) sending a trig thru the ES-3.
No problem! T I G H T sync!


Okay thanks.
Just to make it clear. You use and short audio signal as a trigger pulse from Ableton or any plug-in?
Bitmud
I do some more test.
Ableton > Reaktor > Gate Out and Reset Out > ES-3

Very simple patch:




The clock works.
The issue is the reset again. I can't stop and start Ableton without losing the sync.
I have to manually push the start / stop button to get the correct starting point.
Maybe you can check this in your environment.
Jaypee
Bitmud wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


I clock my ELO' from my DAW (Ableton) sending a trig thru the ES-3.
No problem! T I G H T sync!


Okay thanks.
Just to make it clear. You use and short audio signal as a trigger pulse from Ableton or any plug-in?

Audio.
I think I recorded a trigger/gate from eloquencer.
Put it in a drum rack.
One goes to clock. One goes to reset.
Out 3 and 4 on ES-3.
Set it and forget it. Works so so well!
Daisuk
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


Es-3 MK3 on a PC, Ableton live. Silent way. I have the old firmware though, you probably have the new, so possibly a bug with that?
Muse FTW
Bitmud wrote:


The clock works.
The issue is the reset again. I can't stop and start Ableton without losing the sync.
I have to manually push the start / stop button to get the correct starting point.
Maybe you can check this in your environment.


I haven't been able to reset/run the Eloquencer using Pam's New Workout at all (using one of the outputs as always ON once you hit start, which works as a reset/run on a few other sequencers I have).

The internal clock is definitely in time, but it's a manual start.
enoughframes
Hi guys !
Sorry for the silence, we are working in the new firmware documentation, and second batch shipping.
It seems that the new firmware version has a different behaviour for reset input, that combined with other machines behaviour, can cause this de-sync you are talking about.

I've used two eloquencers to test this, one was the Slave (configured as external clock) and the the other one as a Master (internal clock and configuring the aux output as "trigger reset on stop" (that means that everytime you press Stop on the Master the clock is Stopped and the Aux output sends a trigger to the reset input, so the slave is resetted to its first position) Once you press play both modules are in sync.

So the reset input in is expecting a pulse when stop is pressed in the master.

We are considering other behaviours for this reset input, to fulfill all the needs
Bitmud
enoughframes wrote:
Hi guys !
Sorry for the silence, we are working in the new firmware documentation, and second batch shipping.
It seems that the new firmware version has a different behaviour for reset input, that combined with other machines behaviour, can cause this de-sync you are talking about.

I've used two eloquencers to test this, one was the Slave (configured as external clock) and the the other one as a Master (internal clock and configuring the aux output as "trigger reset on stop" (that means that everytime you press Stop on the Master the clock is Stopped and the Aux output sends a trigger to the reset input, so the slave is resetted to its first position) Once you press play both modules are in sync.

So the reset input in is expecting a pulse when stop is pressed in the master.

We are considering other behaviours for this reset input, to fulfill all the needs


I see. The Eloquencer (in slave mode) expect a trigger at the reset input if the master stops sending a clock.
I made a little workaround in Reaktor Blocks and use an output of ES-3 to send this trigger / gate.



It is just an inversion of a play behaviour.



I hope you can fix this in the next release. Thx thumbs up
Bitmud
oh, of cause... if some needs the Reaktor patch - send me a PM. oops
SonicVoltage
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!

It includes all modes and parameters (I think) grouped by area of influence. For example
Project Level Parameters and Functions (e.g. CV Assign, Project Copy, Shuffle, etc..)
Pattern Level stuff (freeze/revert, per pattern scale/root which is a preview of next firmware, etc..
Track level stuff like Length, Shift, Etc..

Quick hints on Live rec modes etc...

NOTE: I use ORANGE colour text to indicate a mode that uses the orange text button on the Eloquener. And I use White Color e.g. FUNC + OPTIONS to indicate those buttons that are marked in white on the Eloquencer. It should be quick to use as a reference sheet I think

Anyway it is, of course, a free PDF, the link to the download is in the DESCRIPTION under the video (SHOW MORE under the video), this way if there are questions or corrections about the PDF we can keep the Comments/Discussion under the video all in one place.

NOTE: I will update the PDF to a new version as soon as the new Firmware is released.

Hopefully, this is useful for someone. It is useful for me when I forget where some of the less frequently used settings are.



Just for fun, the short jingle 'very simple track' in this video was made using
Winter Modular Eloquencer
Studio Electronics Tonestar (Main Bass Sound)
Pittsburgh Modular Double Helix Oscillator (Synth Lead)
Verbos Complex Oscillator (2nd Bass Sound)
Mutant Bass Drum
Mutant Snare
Analogue Solutions HH88 Dual HiHat
Logic for some EQ/Compression
brotherbeard
SonicVoltage wrote:
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!
<<SNIP>>


<<SNIP>>


THANK you for this. Looking forward to receiving mine tomorrow and this will be handy.

Cheers!
-Bro B
Bitmud
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


I clock my ELO' from my DAW (Ableton) sending a trig thru the ES-3.
No problem! T I G H T sync!


Okay thanks.
Just to make it clear. You use and short audio signal as a trigger pulse from Ableton or any plug-in?

Audio.
I think I recorded a trigger/gate from eloquencer.
Put it in a drum rack.
One goes to clock. One goes to reset.
Out 3 and 4 on ES-3.
Set it and forget it. Works so so well!


YES! It works stable and TIGHT now!!!
Thanks for the tip, man. thumbs up

I guess the problem was the missing bipolar trigger for the clock input. I just used positive voltage ( 0 - 10 V) and the Eloquencer could not detects the zero crossing.

Now, the reset works, but it jumps in a pattern chain not to the first pattern only to the first step of the currently played pattern. d'oh!

Anyway, lets make music!
Jaypee
Bitmud wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
Going back and forth on this... I'm a Sequencer 1 user with a BSP for second/third voices. Is there anyone who was in a similar position who has made the jump that has any thoughts about one over the other(Seq 1 vs Elo)?

Obviously the multi-tracks in one module would streamline the patching to a BSP... seems like it could also streamline tuning multiple VCO's, which would be an added bonus. I would miss the LFOs of Seq 1 (assuming that feature is never implemented) but that's not a huge deal breaker. Mostly concerned about the external clocking/reset issues mentioned above and overall workflow/ease of use. Watching the tutorials it seems kind of daunting, but the Seq 1 had its fair share of less-than-intuitive hurdles, too.

Any thoughts are appreciated thumbs up


I sold my sequencer 1 for an eloquencer, and haven't missed the seq 1 at all. External clocking has not been an issue for me in the six months that I've used it, so not sure why people are experiencing problems. I've been clocking from an es-3 and it's been working just fine. As you say, the elo is basically an 8 track sequencer 1, so a complete no brainer for me. The seq 1 has some nice tricks of its own, but so do the elo, and well, 8 tracks. Hard to beat. It's controlling everything in my rig. smile


No issues with external sync? That's sounds good to me.
I have the ES-3 MK4. What software do you use? PC or MAC?
I try different setups (trigger length, gates), but the sync via ES-3 and Reaktor will not work together with Ableton.
Thanks for any advice!


I clock my ELO' from my DAW (Ableton) sending a trig thru the ES-3.
No problem! T I G H T sync!


Okay thanks.
Just to make it clear. You use and short audio signal as a trigger pulse from Ableton or any plug-in?

Audio.
I think I recorded a trigger/gate from eloquencer.
Put it in a drum rack.
One goes to clock. One goes to reset.
Out 3 and 4 on ES-3.
Set it and forget it. Works so so well!


YES! It works stable and TIGHT now!!!
Thanks for the tip, man. thumbs up

I guess the problem was the missing bipolar trigger for the clock input. I just used positive voltage ( 0 - 10 V) and the Eloquencer could not detects the zero crossing.

Now, the reset works, but it jumps in a pattern chain not to the first pattern only to the first step of the currently played pattern. d'oh!

Anyway, lets make music!


Glad it's working now w00t
s.l.o.w
SonicVoltage wrote:
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!


Excellent, thank you! And your lengthy video on the Eloquencer has been great in helping me understand how to use the module.
djthopa
Thanks for sharing! Miley Cyrus
SonicVoltage
s.l.o.w wrote:
SonicVoltage wrote:
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!


Excellent, thank you! And your lengthy video on the Eloquencer has been great in helping me understand how to use the module.


Thank you!
Anechoic
SonicVoltage wrote:
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!


Thanks for this.
Anyone has news on firmware release? Seems to have gone a little quiet from last ETA.
Daisuk
Anechoic wrote:
SonicVoltage wrote:
Hi,
I have made a FREE PDF Cheat Sheet for the Eloquencer.
It is a Single Page Sheet with all the info, button presses, all in one place!


Thanks for this.
Anyone has news on firmware release? Seems to have gone a little quiet from last ETA.


They're working on the documentation for it. Should be out any day now.
Jaypee
Since there is no triplet (see my post page before) -hope it will be fixed soon.... I clocked the Eloquencer from my DAW. Sending irregular clock. And the Elo started working strangely.
Couldn't change CV values etc. It's like the module was lagging. Like my old computer lol.
Never happened with regular clock. Like I told above it's f*** tight.

Did anyone notice it?
Will do more test tonight hmmm.....
Bitmud
Jaypee wrote:
Since there is no triplet (see my post page before) -hope it will be fixed soon.... I clocked the Eloquencer from my DAW. Sending irregular clock. And the Elo started working strangely.
Couldn't change CV values etc. It's like the module was lagging. Like my old computer lol.
Never happened with regular clock. Like I told above it's f*** tight.

Did anyone notice it?
Will do more test tonight hmmm.....


What you mean with "irregular" clock?
I had the same problems with my standard clock sources ES-3 and µMIDI.
I guess they make a trigger pules of ~10 ms from 0 to 10 V.

I also had some problems with two CV outs, they deliver only 0.39 V and no way to change that.
A reboot doesn't work! seriously, i just don't get it
I must erase the project with an empty project and everything goes back to normal.
The response time of the buttons are also a issue from time to time.
I think the software needs some love and careful development.
enoughframes
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.
When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

@Bitmud Regarding the "0.39V issue" Can you please re-load the default tune (Options > Tuning > Load default tune) Is the "0.39V issue" happening again ?
Jaypee
enoughframes wrote:
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.



Jaypee wrote:
How do you guys doing if you want to program some triplets notes?

In the manual we can read:



But in practice, I can't access to the last --X
Is that a bug?



enoughframes wrote:


When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

I was feeding the clock input with some notes from my ES-3.
Basically I wanted to do the simplest thing ever: 1 gate/trig from my DAW = move 1 step from sequencer.
Like René.
Will do more test tonight.
Jaypee
?
Winter posted the new firmware but deleted the post on fb?

I downloaded the update but my macbook doesn't recognize the Eloquencer hmmm.....
bgcriswell
I just got my eloquencer and haven't tried clocking it externally yet. If I had to guess, from the behavior you're describing, I would say that it needs at least two clock pulses to determine the bpm. Some clocks work like rene where one pulse moves forward one step but others, like tempi, need a steady clock to measure the time between two pulse to determine bpm. Try sending an irregular clock to tempi and you'll see what I mean. Like I said, I'm not positive that this is how the eloquencer works but that's my guess.
SonicVoltage
Jaypee wrote:
?
Winter posted the new firmware but deleted the post on fb?

I downloaded the update but my macbook doesn't recognize the Eloquencer hmmm.....


If they deleted the post i would wait for a new post to appear just in case there was something wrong with that post.

Probably your MacBook shows the USB connection to the Eloquencer as usbmodem1411 (if you check your hardware info ports it probably shows Arduino 2 on one of the USB ports... )
Bitmud
enoughframes wrote:
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.
When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

@Bitmud Regarding the "0.39V issue" Can you please re-load the default tune (Options > Tuning > Load default tune) Is the "0.39V issue" happening again ?


The issue was not the tuning. I didn't change it. I think it was the wrong external clock. With the bipolar clock source (like a recorded audio file from the ELO clock output) the issue didn't happen again.

@Jaypee: no issues with the triplet. You have to scroll with the encoder to the right position at the [RATCHET] menu. Some types of ratcheting are double in the list.

When I move the encoder + hold one step
I get the follow list:

1 - no ratchet
2 - -x
3 - no ratchet
4 - -x
5 - xx
6 - -x
7 - xx
8 - --x
9 - -x-
10 - -xx
11 - x-x
12 - xx-
13 - xxx

1 gate/trig thing:
A single step with one single trigger (e.g. from -5 V to +5V and back) is possible, but the ELO makes another step at ~60 steps without any reset in the meantime. That means the ELO doesn't stop without a external clock. ELO is set to the maximum clock length.

@bgcriswell:
The ELO starts sequencing at the first pulse - different from tempi.
I used a software step sequencer with one half of the sequence with pulses and the other one -5 V DC (no steps).
It works well, apart from the issue described above.
Ypsi Kid
Hey guys,

new Eloquencer user here as well, hooked it up last night and ran into timing issues as well synching from an external clock (Ableton DAW). All my other gear runs fun in terms of synch:

Ableton > Doepfer Dark Time MIDI > Clock Out

I've tried also using a reset trigger from the dark time, tried running the the 4ms PEG (clocked by the Dark Time) and it seems Eloquencer is 2 steps behind (so it's hitting where a HH should hit as opposed to the Kick in a 4x4 pattern). I don't have access to run workaround from Reaktor as I don't use expert sleepers stuff, wondering if there is anything else I can check?

I absolutely HATE timing issues (I just fixed a bad timing issue with my BSP a few months ago).

Cheers.
Jaypee
Bitmud wrote:
enoughframes wrote:
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.
When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

@Bitmud Regarding the "0.39V issue" Can you please re-load the default tune (Options > Tuning > Load default tune) Is the "0.39V issue" happening again ?


The issue was not the tuning. I didn't change it. I think it was the wrong external clock. With the bipolar clock source (like a recorded audio file from the ELO clock output) the issue didn't happen again.

@Jaypee: no issues with the triplet. You have to scroll with the encoder to the right position at the [RATCHET] menu. Some types of ratcheting are double in the list.

When I move the encoder + hold one step
I get the follow list:

1 - no ratchet
2 - -x
3 - no ratchet
4 - -x
5 - xx
6 - -x
7 - xx
8 - --x
9 - -x-
10 - -xx
11 - x-x
12 - xx-
13 - xxx



You say 13. But I count 9. Manuel says 9 too.
hmmm.....

edit: ok, you said "some are double"
but I can't see the double. and I can't 'access' to the last one mentioned in the manual:
--x
djthopa
Hi,
Im clocking the eloquencer fine with new pamelas work out.
Using two outs from the pamela. One as multiplier and the other as a reset.
I think i had to change the gate type out wave of the reset signal on the pamela (there are two trigger waves uou can choose from)
Sorry can be explicit on the setting as im not in front of the modular right now.
Bitmud
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Hey guys,

new Eloquencer user here as well, hooked it up last night and ran into timing issues as well synching from an external clock (Ableton DAW). All my other gear runs fun in terms of synch:

Ableton > Doepfer Dark Time MIDI > Clock Out

I've tried also using a reset trigger from the dark time, tried running the the 4ms PEG (clocked by the Dark Time) and it seems Eloquencer is 2 steps behind (so it's hitting where a HH should hit as opposed to the Kick in a 4x4 pattern). I don't have access to run workaround from Reaktor as I don't use expert sleepers stuff, wondering if there is anything else I can check?

I absolutely HATE timing issues (I just fixed a bad timing issue with my BSP a few months ago).

Cheers.


You can record the clock out from the ELO into Ableton and send it via audio interface back to the ELO clock input.
It is the best way to clock the ELO as a slave atm.
For the "reset at the end of the clock" you need a second audio out with one pulse and a logic in Ableton or you reset manually with start/stop on the ELO.

I hope they will fix this soon.
Bitmud
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
enoughframes wrote:
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.
When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

@Bitmud Regarding the "0.39V issue" Can you please re-load the default tune (Options > Tuning > Load default tune) Is the "0.39V issue" happening again ?


The issue was not the tuning. I didn't change it. I think it was the wrong external clock. With the bipolar clock source (like a recorded audio file from the ELO clock output) the issue didn't happen again.

@Jaypee: no issues with the triplet. You have to scroll with the encoder to the right position at the [RATCHET] menu. Some types of ratcheting are double in the list.

When I move the encoder + hold one step
I get the follow list:

1 - no ratchet
2 - -x
3 - no ratchet
4 - -x
5 - xx
6 - -x
7 - xx
8 - --x
9 - -x-
10 - -xx
11 - x-x
12 - xx-
13 - xxx



You say 13. But I count 9. Manuel says 9 too.
hmmm.....

edit: ok, you said "some are double"
but I can't see the double. and I can't 'access' to the last one mentioned in the manual:
--x


Yes, I can see 13 different steps here. FW version 1.0.4
Do you have a different firmware?
(power down the module and start without SD card to see the fw)
Jaypee
Bitmud wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
enoughframes wrote:
@Jaypee I don't understand the triplet issue.
When you say "irregular clock" what do you mean? you are feeding the eloq CLK IN with irregular clocks, which time ranges ?

@Bitmud Regarding the "0.39V issue" Can you please re-load the default tune (Options > Tuning > Load default tune) Is the "0.39V issue" happening again ?


The issue was not the tuning. I didn't change it. I think it was the wrong external clock. With the bipolar clock source (like a recorded audio file from the ELO clock output) the issue didn't happen again.

@Jaypee: no issues with the triplet. You have to scroll with the encoder to the right position at the [RATCHET] menu. Some types of ratcheting are double in the list.

When I move the encoder + hold one step
I get the follow list:

1 - no ratchet
2 - -x
3 - no ratchet
4 - -x
5 - xx
6 - -x
7 - xx
8 - --x
9 - -x-
10 - -xx
11 - x-x
12 - xx-
13 - xxx



You say 13. But I count 9. Manuel says 9 too.
hmmm.....

edit: ok, you said "some are double"
but I can't see the double. and I can't 'access' to the last one mentioned in the manual:
--x


Yes, I can see 13 different steps here. FW version 1.0.4
Do you have a different firmware?
(power down the module and start without SD card to see the fw)


AH! Ok! Didn't do the update yet!
Ypsi Kid
Bitmud wrote:
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Hey guys,

new Eloquencer user here as well, hooked it up last night and ran into timing issues as well synching from an external clock (Ableton DAW). All my other gear runs fun in terms of synch:

Ableton > Doepfer Dark Time MIDI > Clock Out

I've tried also using a reset trigger from the dark time, tried running the the 4ms PEG (clocked by the Dark Time) and it seems Eloquencer is 2 steps behind (so it's hitting where a HH should hit as opposed to the Kick in a 4x4 pattern). I don't have access to run workaround from Reaktor as I don't use expert sleepers stuff, wondering if there is anything else I can check?

I absolutely HATE timing issues (I just fixed a bad timing issue with my BSP a few months ago).

Cheers.


You can record the clock out from the ELO into Ableton and send it via audio interface back to the ELO clock input.
It is the best way to clock the ELO as a slave atm.
For the "reset at the end of the clock" you need a second audio out with one pulse and a logic in Ableton or you reset manually with start/stop on the ELO.

I hope they will fix this soon.


Thanks Bitmund. Not sure that is going to work for me as my audio interface (Roland MX-1). It does have an out you can configure, but my attempts to use that with modular have failed miserably (I tried this trick when I was having other timing issues and couldn't get it to work cuz I don't think I can get the signal hot enough as it comes through the 1/8" out that can either be an input or output).

This really sucks if I can't address this as it almost makes the device useless in my setup. Love the sequencer itself, but this issue is definitely a huge road block for me. I may hit you up via PM to ask you some questions if you don't mind.

Cheers.
Bitmud
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Hey guys,

new Eloquencer user here as well, hooked it up last night and ran into timing issues as well synching from an external clock (Ableton DAW). All my other gear runs fun in terms of synch:

Ableton > Doepfer Dark Time MIDI > Clock Out

I've tried also using a reset trigger from the dark time, tried running the the 4ms PEG (clocked by the Dark Time) and it seems Eloquencer is 2 steps behind (so it's hitting where a HH should hit as opposed to the Kick in a 4x4 pattern). I don't have access to run workaround from Reaktor as I don't use expert sleepers stuff, wondering if there is anything else I can check?

I absolutely HATE timing issues (I just fixed a bad timing issue with my BSP a few months ago).

Cheers.


You can record the clock out from the ELO into Ableton and send it via audio interface back to the ELO clock input.
It is the best way to clock the ELO as a slave atm.
For the "reset at the end of the clock" you need a second audio out with one pulse and a logic in Ableton or you reset manually with start/stop on the ELO.

I hope they will fix this soon.


Thanks Bitmund. Not sure that is going to work for me as my audio interface (Roland MX-1). It does have an out you can configure, but my attempts to use that with modular have failed miserably (I tried this trick when I was having other timing issues and couldn't get it to work cuz I don't think I can get the signal hot enough as it comes through the 1/8" out that can either be an input or output).

This really sucks if I can't address this as it almost makes the device useless in my setup. Love the sequencer itself, but this issue is definitely a huge road block for me. I may hit you up via PM to ask you some questions if you don't mind.

Cheers.


Hmm, maybe there is an other way with your MIDI2CV module.
You need your unipolar trigger signal (from your Doepfer) and a negative DC voltage to add.
Like the channel 2 on the Math for the trigger signal + channel 3 with full CCW for the negative voltage. Mix both together (SUM out) and now you have an bipolar clock signal.
Send this to the clock input of the ELO.
Ypsi Kid
Bitmud wrote:

Hmm, maybe there is an other way with your MIDI2CV module.
You need your unipolar trigger signal (from your Doepfer) and a negative DC voltage to add.
Like the channel 2 on the Math for the trigger signal + channel 3 with full CCW for the negative voltage. Mix both together (SUM out) and now you have an bipolar clock signal.
Send this to the clock input of the ELO.


Thanks again Bitmund, will give this a go tonight - cheers!
_lex
curious. would power starvation cause sequence timing hiccups? i was playing last night and had some interesting fluctuations etc. running from internal clock..
restlessboy
Slightly wonky / rough video of a first day wiggle with the Eloquencer. Big fan.



This is my first modular upload video, so please be gentle / constructive with any feedback.
_lex
just got the elo and its way rad! the interface is quite intuitive once you get used to button press duration accessing other levels of function.

of course i am excited to see the lfo/mod functions when they are released and have a few feature suggestions (some may be repeats of others requests):

basic:
-glide (take that acid to the next level!)
-track direction independent of div/rep.
-gate voltage amount (my yocto triggers accent depending on signal strength)
-pattern reset at the track level using aux input (can it already do this? get some cool stutter)

intermediate:
-303 style note entry (or any note entry with the onboard keyboard)
-CV independent of gate option (gate does not have to be active to send voltage)
-CV probability custom scale (possibly per step) to select notes to alternate on (range sets the full range/octaves and the keyboard chooses the notes in the scale. for example i may only want the choices for a step to be a C/E/A while the whole track may have a scale of minor)
-Gate probability range select (like above. use it to limit to ties and 1/32 as probability choices for example)

advanced/unlikely:
-CV and Gate on one track have independent patterns/tracks directions/divisions (CV might have 16 active steps doing PEND while gate has 4 active steps on RAND.

i guess i am trying to duplicate numerology with my suggestions, ha!
wingcommander
Something seems to be wrong with clock/sync on the ELO.
I’m running a clock in from Ableton Live into an Intellijel uMidi. It is then piped into a Doepfer 152-1 switched multiple and then onto an Abstract Data Octocontroller, Metropolis and 4ms RCD and anything else I might want to clock.
Metropolis is reset from the uMidi.Everything works, bang on the beat.
I then plug the ELO into the 152-1 and it’s playing a beat late. The same if I take a clock from the RCD. But a pulse from the Octocontroller does the trick. What gives? At the moment I’m feeling a bit miffed - miffwigglered even.
amop
restlessboy wrote:
Slightly wonky / rough video of a first day wiggle with the Eloquencer. Big fan.



This is my first modular upload video, so please be gentle / constructive with any feedback.


Nice! You’ve got some interesting sounds going on there.
akairipper
Bitmud wrote:
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Bitmud wrote:
Ypsi Kid wrote:
Hey guys,

new Eloquencer user here as well, hooked it up last night and ran into timing issues as well synching from an external clock (Ableton DAW). All my other gear runs fun in terms of synch:

Ableton > Doepfer Dark Time MIDI > Clock Out

I've tried also using a reset trigger from the dark time, tried running the the 4ms PEG (clocked by the Dark Time) and it seems Eloquencer is 2 steps behind (so it's hitting where a HH should hit as opposed to the Kick in a 4x4 pattern). I don't have access to run workaround from Reaktor as I don't use expert sleepers stuff, wondering if there is anything else I can check?

I absolutely HATE timing issues (I just fixed a bad timing issue with my BSP a few months ago).

Cheers.


You can record the clock out from the ELO into Ableton and send it via audio interface back to the ELO clock input.
It is the best way to clock the ELO as a slave atm.
For the "reset at the end of the clock" you need a second audio out with one pulse and a logic in Ableton or you reset manually with start/stop on the ELO.

I hope they will fix this soon.


Thanks Bitmund. Not sure that is going to work for me as my audio interface (Roland MX-1). It does have an out you can configure, but my attempts to use that with modular have failed miserably (I tried this trick when I was having other timing issues and couldn't get it to work cuz I don't think I can get the signal hot enough as it comes through the 1/8" out that can either be an input or output).

This really sucks if I can't address this as it almost makes the device useless in my setup. Love the sequencer itself, but this issue is definitely a huge road block for me. I may hit you up via PM to ask you some questions if you don't mind.

Cheers.


Hmm, maybe there is an other way with your MIDI2CV module.
You need your unipolar trigger signal (from your Doepfer) and a negative DC voltage to add.
Like the channel 2 on the Math for the trigger signal + channel 3 with full CCW for the negative voltage. Mix both together (SUM out) and now you have an bipolar clock signal.
Send this to the clock input of the ELO.


i have the erica midi to cv taking midi clock from MX1 to euro, straight into eloquencer from clock out and division to reset. works great.
restlessboy
amop wrote:
restlessboy wrote:
Slightly wonky / rough video of a first day wiggle with the Eloquencer. Big fan.



This is my first modular upload video, so please be gentle / constructive with any feedback.


Nice! You’ve got some interesting sounds going on there.


Thanks! Just a quick jammy video really. Not high art.
Southfork
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome? Just trying to stitch a few 16 step parts together and get them to play back and edit them at the same time is almost impossible.

Maybe it's just me but you have that lovely OLED screen, something more visual and easy could be done instead of the text heavy song menu at the moment.
1n
Southfork wrote:
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome?


Cumbersome or near impossible? razz

This is a big consideration for me in choosing a sequencer, and one reason why I'm leaning towards this one.

From demos I've watched it seems fairly simple to cue parts up for playing, but I've not had a go on one yet.

Is editing on the fly for this function not possible at all, or is it a feature you want to be added?
Southfork
1n wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome?


Cumbersome or near impossible? razz

This is a big consideration for me in choosing a sequencer, and one reason why I'm leaning towards this one.

From demos I've watched it seems fairly simple to cue parts up for playing, but I've not had a go on one yet.

Is editing on the fly for this function not possible at all, or is it a feature you want to be added?



Maybe I'm doing something wrong but it doesn't seem to let you edit parts on the fly. You have to focus on a part for editing which is slow when you've strung say 4 parts together, focus edit, then focus again edit. Its ok but would be great I feel you could edit along with the cursor with parts you've looped. I will have another play tonight and go through more tutorials, maybe I've misunderstood how it works.
Daisuk
1n wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome?


Cumbersome or near impossible? razz

This is a big consideration for me in choosing a sequencer, and one reason why I'm leaning towards this one.

From demos I've watched it seems fairly simple to cue parts up for playing, but I've not had a go on one yet.

Is editing on the fly for this function not possible at all, or is it a feature you want to be added?


Quoting Patate le mage from a few pages back:

Patate le mage wrote:
To BrandonLogic

Yes you are missing something :
Let say your pattern are A1 and A2.
Song is playing.
Func+Pattern
You can change the pattern to edit here, clicking on it.
Then press gate for example, and you are editing the pattern you want to..
Southfork
Daisuk wrote:
1n wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome?


Cumbersome or near impossible? razz

This is a big consideration for me in choosing a sequencer, and one reason why I'm leaning towards this one.

From demos I've watched it seems fairly simple to cue parts up for playing, but I've not had a go on one yet.

Is editing on the fly for this function not possible at all, or is it a feature you want to be added?


Quoting Patate le mage from a few pages back:

Patate le mage wrote:
To BrandonLogic

Yes you are missing something :
Let say your pattern are A1 and A2.
Song is playing.
Func+Pattern
You can change the pattern to edit here, clicking on it.
Then press gate for example, and you are editing the pattern you want to..


Ok great I've had another go and re-watched the demo video. I've found a workflow that works for me using the duplicate, doing edits that way to create parts is super quick.

I do like the add patterns to make parts and songs approach but wouldn't it be good to offer a more visual approach down the way? You can only see one pattern at a time and you have a detailed oled display and led matrix that's pretty underused for part/song creation. Not saying have a complete daw or anything of that nature but surely a song mode that uses these a bit more cleverly would be a good idea thumbs up
Halfgeleider
Is there a posibility to adjust the velocity of each step using cv out? Trying eloquencer a few days know but dont know how this can be done... im using bitbox for beats
Daisuk
Halfgeleider wrote:
Is there a posibility to adjust the velocity of each step using cv out? Trying eloquencer a few days know but dont know how this can be done... im using bitbox for beats


Yes. You basically described how to do it yourself. Use the cv out for velocity. Patch the cv out into a modulation cell on Bitbox, set the modulation cell to modulate volume of whatever cell you're triggering. Adjust the notes on Eloquencer to taste. smile
Bitmud
I just do some more tests with the ELO and my uMIDI and ES-3 and I found the issue with the clock behaviour.
I recorded all my clock sources and checked the wave files and delay / latency.
It looks like the uMIDI has some delay of 40 ms and the ELO (with external clock from the ES-3 with reset fix in Reaktor) has 3 ms.

I thing now the problem was the CV output latency of the uMIDI and not the ELO. very frustrating
guestt
Had mine for a few days, as others have said transitioning from using an Octatrack makes it easy. Really enjoying the ease of use and fluidity of it all. most impressive - I like it!

Also agree that it's still lacking in some features, most notably for me larger (/32 /64 /128 even /256) and separately configurable clock divisions and micro-timing or individual step delay would do! Without that I am having to compensate elsewhere in my system to get the feel I want. Unless anyone can guide me to a solution for this?

Otherwise, loving the probability side of it, it feels really strong in this regard.

Maybe I am missing some things, but excited to see what the next firmware update brings. I think this has very real potential to be a fantastic module. If it can be made feature complete it would be a keeper for sure... hanging onto it for now smile

Good luck and best wishes to the WM crew - keep going!!!
trax
2 rtfm questions - (looks like the posted manual is wrong in some parts?

I guess the RANDOM has been changed in the latest revision? from 4 modes to 2? But you can choose octave range now?

How to you get out of a function (orange text) mode? FUNCTION + REVERT? is this the correct way?

The manual is very big and makes me sleepy. thumbs up

This thing is fun.
guestt
Some music to encourage the WM guys and inspire others to buy? hmmm.....

Eloquencer music; all sounds are ER-301, also featuring Argos Bleak!

[s]http://soundcloud.com/kel/tentative-bloom[/s]

Apologies for cross posting, but going to put this in a couple of places here on MW where it's relevant!
s.l.o.w
Southfork wrote:
Am I the only one that finds the part/song mode cumbersome?


You're not the only one. When I want to set up, say a simple four bar part, I need to make one pattern, duplicate it 3 more times, go to song mode, create a part, add the one bar patterns to that part, end creating the part, play the part, and only then can I think about editing the one bar snippets. It would be much easier to have a function to set up a 4 or 8 or whatever bar part, blank or not, and work from there.

With that said, I'm finding other features of the Elo to be great enough to wait, patiently and hopefully, for evolving firmware that facilitates usability. In the meantime, I'm enjoying playing with probabilities and other cool features in this 8 x CV and 8 x Gate sequencer that seems to pack an incredible amount of functionality in its HP.
SonicVoltage
trax wrote:
2 rtfm questions - (looks like the posted manual is wrong in some parts?

I guess the RANDOM has been changed in the latest revision? from 4 modes to 2? But you can choose octave range now?

How to you get out of a function (orange text) mode? FUNCTION + REVERT? is this the correct way?

The manual is very big and makes me sleepy. thumbs up

This thing is fun.


The new version of Random gives you more control. In the old version you had
1 Layer Narrow (would randomise within narrow range of values)
1 Layer Wide (would randomise within larger range of values)
3 Layers Narrow
3 Layers Wide

Now you have the same but more control
1 Layer
3 Layers
You choose the RANGE of random variation, by semitones or octaves


No, REVERT is only to Revert back to a previously FROZEN pattern...
See here, it shows Freeze and Revert


Under the video if you click on SHOW MORE you will find a clickable index so you can jump to any feature-section in the video

Video refers to initial Firmware.
New video and Cheatsheet will be up when new Firmware is released
Southfork
Does anyone know if note slew is a planned feature in the future?
Bitmud
Just another test run with the Eloquencer and my clock sources.

I'm happy with the results now.

This is the sync with µMIDI and -44 ms clock out delay.
Only the first step is not compensated.


Reset function works also fine with the µMIDI. thumbs up

This is the sync with the ES-3 and Reaktor.
echox
Did anyone solve the clocking problem with Pam as external clock?

It still just recognises 30 Bpm if the output is 120 Bpm confused
I experimented with the waveforme, the width and PPQN but without any luck.
atte
I clock the eloquencer from pnw all the time. A multiplier of 4x works well here...
jwise
atte wrote:
I clock the eloquencer from pnw all the time. A multiplier of 4x works well here...


I too clock correctly using PNW at 120bpm w/ 4x multiplier. My only issue and I know it's just an aesthetic one is that the Eloquencer displays the bpm as 121 instead of 120.
reodjectz
jwise wrote:
atte wrote:
I clock the eloquencer from pnw all the time. A multiplier of 4x works well here...


I too clock correctly using PNW at 120bpm w/ 4x multiplier. My only issue and I know it's just an aesthetic one is that the Eloquencer displays the bpm as 121 instead of 120.


I think that is a Pam's issue. PNW is always shows 1 BPM off from my daw... (but is in sync).
s.l.o.w
Does anybody else have an issue with their Elo that a Div/4 step mode on any track is out of sync or shifted with other, "normal" tracks? i.e. if I enable Div/4 on a track, the CV/Gate on its step 1 comes 1 beat after the normal tracks have their step 1. If I track shift the div/4 track, so that its step 16 is actually what I want on step 1, everything works out ok, but that seems like a strange workaround.
enoughframes
A new Eloquencer OS update is available here:
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER
This is version 1.0.4 and it's the same version that comes pre-installed with the 2nd batch eloquencers (september 2017).
You only need to update if you have an eloquencer with version 1.0.1
Make sure to read the update procedure carefully before updating.
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:
A new Eloquencer OS update is available here:
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER
This is version 1.0.4 and it's the same version that comes pre-installed with the 2nd batch eloquencers (september 2017).
You only need to update if you have an eloquencer with version 1.0.1
Make sure to read the update procedure carefully before updating.


Yes, yes, yes! Awesome. Thanks a lot, eloi. Looking much forward to trying it out. Rockin' Banana!
enoughframes
Some of the things of version 1.0.4 are being reviewed right now, and there will be fixed in the next update.
Southfork
Not a massive update, more of a bug fix but still greatly appreciated we're not worthy
Multi Grooves
enoughframes wrote:
A new Eloquencer OS update is available here:
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER
This is version 1.0.4 and it's the same version that comes pre-installed with the 2nd batch eloquencers (september 2017).
You only need to update if you have an eloquencer with version 1.0.1
Make sure to read the update procedure carefully before updating.


Hey. How does it relate to the youtube demo videos? I'm guessing they were recorded using this new OS?
enoughframes
Multi Grooves wrote:


Hey. How does it relate to the youtube demo videos? I'm guessing they were recorded using this new OS?


Sonic Voltage will publish a video soon, with all the new features.
SonicVoltage
Hi,
this is the video covering the New Features and Bug Fixes for this new version...

It may say 1.03 in my video but it is the 1.04 that has just been released

As usual, clickable index under the video (SHOW MORE in the Video Description)




I have an updated CheatSheet... will be up for download soon, will post link here when ready in a few moments
wanne
enoughframes wrote:
A new Eloquencer OS update is available here:
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER
This is version 1.0.4 and it's the same version that comes pre-installed with the 2nd batch eloquencers (september 2017).
You only need to update if you have an eloquencer with version 1.0.1
Make sure to read the update procedure carefully before updating.


wheres the 1.04 update file to download ?
or is it in the updater.exe ??
TIA
miguel_eedl
wanne wrote:
wheres the 1.04 update file to download ?
or is it in the updater.exe ??
TIA


The updater.exe contains just the windows updater. I would recommend to just use the green button labeled "clone or download" and then "download ZIP", especially if you are on OSX.
SonicVoltage
The new version of the CheatSheet for Firmware 1.04 is up.
Download link in the video description



This time the PDF has two pages.
1 - Updated CheatSheet with new features marked by a Gold Star
2 - This second page shows a list of new features only for a quick look.
wanne
miguel_eedl wrote:
wanne wrote:
wheres the 1.04 update file to download ?
or is it in the updater.exe ??
TIA


The updater.exe contains just the windows updater. I would recommend to just use the green button labeled "clone or download" and then "download ZIP", especially if you are on OSX.


yeahhh...but where ist the fw file ??
Multi Grooves
I haven't watched any of the vids yet but wouldn't it make things much easier if the titles have the exact firmware versions labelled on videos/cheat sheets? Otherwise It starting look a bit messy.
SonicVoltage
Multi Grooves wrote:
I haven't watched any of the vids yet but wouldn't it make things much easier if the titles have the exact firmware versions labelled on videos/cheat sheets? Otherwise It starting look a bit messy.


Yes, thank you, I have fixed the titles for the PDF and the New Firmware Video by including 1.04 in both Title and Thumbnail-Image.

Didn't have a version number in the title before because I created the video and PDF on a pre-release version, therefore, I did not know the exact number of the official release when I uploaded the video. I should have added the version number before switching the videos to Public, sorry smile
Multi Grooves
How do you tell which firmware is being run?
atte
It shows briefly in the oled on startup. In 1.0.4 there's a bug where the version number is super quick...
s.l.o.w
enoughframes wrote:
Some of the things of version 1.0.4 are being reviewed right now, and there will be fixed in the next update.


I don't know if this is the right place to log feature requests (please point me to a better place if one exists), but please _please_ add the ability to select parts and patterns via CV. That would be tremendously useful.
Daisuk
Ah, the way transposing is implemented is bliss! Awesome. applause I also really dig multi-step edit, makes the making of patterns a lot more flexible. smile
Jaypee
It's getting better and better! Big up Eloi! w00t
wanne
plz can somebody tell me where the fw file is to download ?`
the githup link shows me only the updater and some pdfs seriously, i just don't get it
jwise
wanne wrote:
plz can somebody tell me where the fw file is to download ?`
the githup link shows me only the updater and some pdfs seriously, i just don't get it


Download the .zip file that contains the updaters for all OS's and choose the one that's right for you. Within the updater is your firmware.
wanne
jwise wrote:
wanne wrote:
plz can somebody tell me where the fw file is to download ?`
the githup link shows me only the updater and some pdfs seriously, i just don't get it


Download the .zip file that contains the updaters for all OS's and choose the one that's right for you. Within the updater is your firmware.


THX !!!
Daisuk
wanne wrote:
plz can somebody tell me where the fw file is to download ?`
the githup link shows me only the updater and some pdfs seriously, i just don't get it


Yeah, the install instructions are a bit misleading, refering to a file on Github that doesn't exist. But just hook up your Elo and run the exe file and install. smile
wanne
Daisuk wrote:
wanne wrote:
plz can somebody tell me where the fw file is to download ?`
the githup link shows me only the updater and some pdfs seriously, i just don't get it


Yeah, the install instructions are a bit misleading, refering to a file on Github that doesn't exist. But just hook up your Elo and run the exe file and install. smile


i did not want to do this before i was shure to have to fw file in place :-)
now all is done and fine applause
dhoinjo
The new firmware is fantastic! Just a short question though: I saw that you can adjust the gate lenght on the clock output. Could that also be made possible for the track gates? Even on the shortest gate lenght, my braids perceives the gates as two triggers. If I shorten them through maths it works fine. But it would be nice to have the option to turn gates into trigs if you use a track as a drum track.
And now that I'm at it: could random be programmed as a cv destination in the next firmware? Would be nice to trigger randomness with cv.
Loving this module!!!
guestt
Baddcr wrote:
...
Also agree that it's still lacking in some features, most notably for me larger (/32 /64 /128 even /256) and separately configurable clock divisions and micro-timing or individual step delay would do! Without that I am having to compensate elsewhere in my system to get the feel I want. Unless anyone can guide me to a solution for this?


To answer my own question, I am finding a combination of the shuffle and ratcheting is getting me what I want here quite a lot of the time, it's not quite as explicit as I would perhaps like, but i am coming round to this way of thinking - it's very good!

I particularly like that there are missing steps in the ratchets - very smart, something I remember liking from the OP-1 sequencer widget thingy!
Ypsi Kid
Bitmud wrote:

Hmm, maybe there is an other way with your MIDI2CV module.
You need your unipolar trigger signal (from your Doepfer) and a negative DC voltage to add.
Like the channel 2 on the Math for the trigger signal + channel 3 with full CCW for the negative voltage. Mix both together (SUM out) and now you have an bipolar clock signal.
Send this to the clock input of the ELO.


This did the trick - locked now with the clock. Thanks Bitmund, you saved me a lot of frustration, appreciate it!
Jordan77
how does this compare to the Stillson Hammer Mk2?
wanne
Jordan77 wrote:
how does this compare to the Stillson Hammer Mk2?


quick answer with no details :-)
Elo is alot better !!
guestt
Better isn't really very helpful because it is so subjective, they are different, and depending on what you want you might prefer the Stillson Hammer, I have both and my SH aint going anywhere... no way!

Immediately obvious things SH 4 tracks instead of 8, but it has glide and delay per step, it's faster to program because of the sliders, the ratcheting is different in that it is a more conventional (am I really using the word conventional with the Harvestman stuff? hmmm.....) implementation and doesn't have the breaks like on the Eloquencer. For polyrhythms the SH is more capable because you can set the track length and clock division per track, this is not possible on the Eloquencer - unless someone can enlighten me? There are a lot more clock division options per track than on the Eloquencer.

Finally almost everyone struggles with the CV ins on the SH to start with, I am aware some folk sold it because they couldn't get it working, but it definitely does work and is very powerful, once you fully understand what is happening with the voltages. Like a lot of the Harvestman stuff, a gentle hand is required to get the most out of it.

Don't want to put either of them down, they are both very capable sequencers!

There's probably more differences, but hope this helps!
restlessboy
Baddcr wrote:
For polyrhythms the SH is more capable because you can set the track length and clock division per track, this is not possible on the Eloquencer - unless someone can enlighten me? There are a lot more clock division options per track than on the Eloquencer.


Different track lengths is possible on the Eloquencer. Not sure about clock divisions- think maybe that’s a planned feature?

I really didn’t like the ratcheting behaviour on SH2. I also didn’t like that when you’d adjusted settings there really wasn’t a way to ‘see’ them once sliders were moved. For that reason I really prefer Eloquencer. It’s quite similar to an Elektron sequencer paradigm which means it works well for me.
Jaypee
restlessboy wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
For polyrhythms the SH is more capable because you can set the track length and clock division per track, this is not possible on the Eloquencer - unless someone can enlighten me? There are a lot more clock division options per track than on the Eloquencer.


Different track lengths is possible on the Eloquencer. Not sure about clock divisions- think maybe that’s a planned feature?

I really didn’t like the ratcheting behaviour on SH2. I also didn’t like that when you’d adjusted settings there really wasn’t a way to ‘see’ them once sliders were moved. For that reason I really prefer Eloquencer. It’s quite similar to an Elektron sequencer paradigm which means it works well for me.


Do you have a Cirklon?
guestt
Ahh, yes, you're right restlessboy,

...it needs further qualification, the master track length on the Eloquencer that controls the reset for the rest of the tracks, by default this is 16, and can be set anywhere between 1 and 64. You can also assign another track to control this but whichever option you use it always jumps everything back to 1. You may want this and it's certainly useful, but I've been struggling to get say a 7 step sequence on on channel to play continuously regardless of the master track setting, is there a way to do this?

Edit: to put it another way, is there a way on the Eloquencer to set the internal reset to be infinite like you can on the Elektrons?

I know what you mean about the ratchets, but the latest firmware sorts the problem out with a slight delay on the display so selecting precise values is much easier.

Agree the Eloquencer is very similar to the Elektrons, but then so is the SH, they are just different.
restlessboy
Baddcr wrote:
I've been struggling to get say a 7 step sequence on on channel to play continuously regardless of the master track setting, is there a way to do this?


Pretty sure there is. I think there’s a way to set an individual track to ignore the master track. Don’t ask me how!
guestt
Cool!!

That would make me very happy if true as it's a technique I use all the time, but I certainly couldn't find it hehe...

Anyone got a clue?
Dark Barn
Baddcr: Function + Options > Reset Track Config w00t
guestt
Oh wow - thank you Dark Barn

Not sure how I missed that but this changes things quite a lot - more fun to be had Mr. Green
SonicVoltage
Baddcr wrote:
Oh wow - thank you Dark Barn

Not sure how I missed that but this changes things quite a lot - more fun to be had Mr. Green


It's in the CheatSheet smile top right of the PDF, download from here if you want (it could save days of stress or simply avoid missing out on features that are actually there already implemented) smile:


Don't forget on my channel I also have a video of all the features (Full Review Video) and one new video going through the new 1.04 Firmware update
Multi Grooves
@sonic voltage (or anyone else) this means you need to watch the original 1.23hr video then watchcthe new one? Or is there some something to read/watch that- like me- starts with the Elo from v.1.04?
Daisuk
Multi Grooves wrote:
@sonic voltage (or anyone else) this means you need to watch the original 1.23hr video then watchcthe new one? Or is there some something to read/watch that- like me- starts with the Elo from v.1.04?


It's pretty intuitive. Have the pdf manual next to you when you play with it and most things will be pretty straight forward. smile
SonicVoltage
Multi Grooves wrote:
@sonic voltage (or anyone else) this means you need to watch the original 1.23hr video then watchcthe new one? Or is there some something to read/watch that- like me- starts with the Elo from v.1.04?


There is the PDF manual from Winter Modular of course.
I did not look to see if there is new documentation with the 1.04, probably there is, I guess.

The video itself has a clickable index in the description, so you could simply jump to whichever section you may be curious about, in case somethings are easier to understand watching a video instead reading.

Actually, if I remember well, there is possibly no duplication between my First and 1.04-Video. That's because, of course, 1.04 video only focusses on new features that were not there before.


The 1.04 video covers new features so mostly is in addition to the first video. Or, if you see something on the Eloquencer that looks different from the manual, chances are you can see the new version in the 1.04 video.

Or... download the PDF cheatsheet, the second page of the cheatsheet only lists new features (while page 1 lists all current features updated to 1.04). From page 2 you will know which new features/menu has been changed...
Multi Grooves
::fist pump:: gents.

I've had it for a week but my Masters means its been on for 5mins max :(
lihp
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.
guestt
SonicVoltage wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
Oh wow - thank you Dark Barn

Not sure how I missed that but this changes things quite a lot - more fun to be had Mr. Green


It's in the CheatSheet smile top right of the PDF, download from here if you want (it could save days of stress or simply avoid missing out on features that are actually there already implemented) smile:


Don't forget on my channel I also have a video of all the features (Full Review Video) and one new video going through the new 1.04 Firmware update


Thanks SonicVoltage, no stress, enjoy working things out and chatting t folk here about it a lot smile

I already tried your video and pdf, but struggled a little bit with them to be honest; I can provide feedback as to why either here or in PM if you are interested?
SonicVoltage
Baddcr wrote:


Thanks SonicVoltage, no stress, enjoy working things out and chatting t folk here about it a lot smile

I already tried your video and pdf, but struggled a little bit with them to be honest; I can provide feedback as to why either here or in PM if you are interested?


That would be great, yes please, PM me when you have time. PM better, so this thread can keep the focus on the actual module. THANKS!
savethisrocketship
lihp wrote:
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.


I just started exploring this feature yesterday and noticed that I was not getting results from CV2 like I was with CV1, I did not have time to investigate but I remember reading that there are switches to set the incoming CV values on the back (0-10v vs +-5v) and they must correspond to the menu setting. I wonder if factory default is +-5v on CV1 and 0-10v on CV2? I won't have time to check until later but this might be something to look into. hmmm.....
Daisuk
savethisrocketship wrote:
lihp wrote:
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.


I just started exploring this feature yesterday and noticed that I was not getting results from CV2 like I was with CV1, I did not have time to investigate but I remember reading that there are switches to set the incoming CV values on the back (0-10v vs +-5v) and they must correspond to the menu setting. I wonder if factory default is +-5v on CV1 and 0-10v on CV2? I won't have time to check until later but this might be something to look into. hmmm.....


Mine were both set to 0-10v by default. But mine's from the first batch, so might differ.
guestt
Enhanced version of PDF which includes the pages without the red background is now available - super fast response to feedback from SonicVoltage

I find this much easier to read thumbs up

It's peanut butter jelly time!
Dark Barn
Yeah I find red is good for getting my attention and horrible for keeping it. lol
lihp
Daisuk wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
lihp wrote:
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.


I just started exploring this feature yesterday and noticed that I was not getting results from CV2 like I was with CV1, I did not have time to investigate but I remember reading that there are switches to set the incoming CV values on the back (0-10v vs +-5v) and they must correspond to the menu setting. I wonder if factory default is +-5v on CV1 and 0-10v on CV2? I won't have time to check until later but this might be something to look into. hmmm.....


Mine were both set to 0-10v by default. But mine's from the first batch, so might differ.


Thanks all to check this smile

@savethisrocketship : i've already check that switches on back correspond to the menu settings for CV1 in and CV2 in, it's ok. If i remenber correctly, factory defaults were -5/+5v for both on mine.

@daisuk : yes you're right, mine is the second batch and comes with firmware 1.0.4. So it may be different... i don't know if this bug is hardware or software

But as i can see i'm not alone with this strange behavior on CV2 in... confused

Keep in touch
savethisrocketship
savethisrocketship wrote:
lihp wrote:
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.


I just started exploring this feature yesterday and noticed that I was not getting results from CV2 like I was with CV1, I did not have time to investigate but I remember reading that there are switches to set the incoming CV values on the back (0-10v vs +-5v) and they must correspond to the menu setting. I wonder if factory default is +-5v on CV1 and 0-10v on CV2? I won't have time to check until later but this might be something to look into. hmmm.....


Just to follow up on this:
My CV ins were both set to 0-10v, which may have been my problem but I think the real issue was not grasping how the interface handles changes to the 'Assign' parameter. For example: if you set it for CV Add (transpose), select the tracks that you wish to apply it to, but then go back and change it to "Fill", the previously selected tracks do not automatically have 'Fill' applied, you have to go back and reselect the tracks. Something pretty simple to overlook when you're first getting your bearings with a new interface. I'm hoping your CV2 troubles are something easy like this and not an actual hardware issue! w00t
lihp
savethisrocketship wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
lihp wrote:
Hi everyone !

My CV 2 assign seems to have a strange behavior, the assign type CV ADD doesn't work at all when using an LFO in input for example.
All is fine with CV 1 assign when i do the same.
I made a calibration procedure to be sure by following Winter Modular's instructions (Cv In 0 volt calibration and tuning the CV inputs) but nothing changed for CV 2 input. CV 1 input working very well.
Any idea ? Perhaps i missed something...

Thanks for help.


I just started exploring this feature yesterday and noticed that I was not getting results from CV2 like I was with CV1, I did not have time to investigate but I remember reading that there are switches to set the incoming CV values on the back (0-10v vs +-5v) and they must correspond to the menu setting. I wonder if factory default is +-5v on CV1 and 0-10v on CV2? I won't have time to check until later but this might be something to look into. hmmm.....


Just to follow up on this:
My CV ins were both set to 0-10v, which may have been my problem but I think the real issue was not grasping how the interface handles changes to the 'Assign' parameter. For example: if you set it for CV Add (transpose), select the tracks that you wish to apply it to, but then go back and change it to "Fill", the previously selected tracks do not automatically have 'Fill' applied, you have to go back and reselect the tracks. Something pretty simple to overlook when you're first getting your bearings with a new interface. I'm hoping your CV2 troubles are something easy like this and not an actual hardware issue! w00t


Thanks savethisrocketship, i noticed that i must reselect tracks when i changed CV in parameter/destination. I've already do that but it change nothing for me, CV ADD for CV2 in remains buggy. For example, an LFO to CV ADD seems to have no effect on selected tracks. On the contrary, everything works well when i do the same with CV1 in. Very strange... hmmm.....

Could be a calibration problem... i made few calibrations to be sure but the problem persists seriously, i just don't get it


Hi everyone,
To follow this, i checked this with my local reseller (Modularsquare in Paris, France) and we noticed the same problem with CV in with others Eloquencer in stock. So we can think that the actual firmware is buggy to manage the CV in 1 and 2. Hope this problem will be address by Winter Modular and corrected...
Multi Grooves
Forced more time than I have ATM last night... I'm not yet 100 on this...I dunno something about the workflow seems off but I haven't spent nearly enough time to really make a solid assessment yet. I desperately wish I had the time to flesh this out but that's life...

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user657505/wintermodseqfirstplay[/s]
jwise
Daisuk wrote:

Mine were both set to 0-10v by default. But mine's from the first batch, so might differ.


I was in the very first batch and these boards were mislabeled as where 5V/10V was. On subsequent shipments Elos put a sticker on the boards to identify which was which regarding voltage. If you have any doubt and you have a unit from the first shipping, I'd talk to Elos on Facebook.
interpolate
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.
bgcriswell
interpolate wrote:
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.


I'd like to know if there's a quicker way to do this too. Right now I go to a different mode and then press cv, gate, etc. Seems like there could be, and likely is, a better way.
RGB
bgcriswell wrote:
interpolate wrote:
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.


I'd like to know if there's a quicker way to do this too. Right now I go to a different mode and then press cv, gate, etc. Seems like there could be, and likely is, a better way.


I do the same thing. Would be wonderful if this was quicker and more straightforward.
Datachrome
First patch with the Eloquencer. Great sequencer, I wish it was possible to edit a CV and hear it live without playing the pattern though.
Daisuk
interpolate wrote:
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.


Can't you just press the "CV" button? That's what I always do when I want to exit a mode. Thought that worked fine for random mode as well, but haven't tried random mode with the newest OS.
bgcriswell
Daisuk wrote:
interpolate wrote:
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.


Can't you just press the "CV" button? That's what I always do when I want to exit a mode. Thought that worked fine for random mode as well, but haven't tried random mode with the newest OS.


No, that will just select whether or not cv is randomized.
jwise
bgcriswell wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
interpolate wrote:
Silly question but how do you get out of random mode?

Step buttons correspond with randomization layers instead of the usual method of exiting out of a function menu.


Can't you just press the "CV" button? That's what I always do when I want to exit a mode. Thought that worked fine for random mode as well, but haven't tried random mode with the newest OS.


No, that will just select whether or not cv is randomized.


The only thing that's worked for me is to enter another function mode, such as Func + Tempo and then press CV. I was hoping this would have been resolved during the beta as it feels clunky.
interpolate
I feel like function+random again should exit out to gate mode
Multi Grooves
EDIT a daft question actually.
djthopa
Anyway way of recording cv / gate into a track via cv1 and cv2?

Would love to record sequences and then modify / save inside the elo!
Multi Grooves
Has anyone noticed the behaviour when you switch from internal clock (with swing) to external clock (w/out swing)?
Does it attempt to keep swing whilst using the straight external clock? Or would you need to swing the external clock to get it to swing?

I cannot make out quite what is going on when I try the above. It kinda sound sounds right but elements don't sound right, the high hat on say ChB doesn't sound the same at all- not in a bad way but I'm just trying to understand what is going on.

Also when the external clock was swung the bpm reading seemed to go haywire- into the 10s of thousands but then corrects itself when the external clock is straightened.
tarmoog
As a future feature request could it be possible to have Probability functions on pattern/part chaining, like after playing Pattern 1 having probability to continue playing same pattern or to move to another?
djthopa
djthopa wrote:
Anyway way of recording cv / gate into a track via cv1 and cv2?

Would love to record sequences and then modify / save inside the elo!


Guess not Dead Banana
wiggle
Datachrome wrote:
...I wish it was possible to edit a CV and hear it live without playing the pattern though.


+1
damase
I've had mine a minute now-- finally got a chance to dive in deep
The interface is incredible, so easy to get a hold of and have it make sense in your brain which is a huge thing ive never experienced on a sequencer.

But...

the thing has NO GROOVE. No microtiming, no step delay, shuffle only works on internal clock and there is only 1 type of shuffle, gate lengths are only 4 options which are also hard set as perfect divisions as well. Even the 'Live Recording' mode just assigns whatever you tap in to the nearest grid point (whats the point in live recording if this is the case???). It feels very robotic everything I make on it being hard-strapped to a rigid clock grid with no way out of it.

There is so many good features going for this sequencer, that to be held back by the lack of groove is a huge shame.... but its a fundamental element that has a huge effect on the music made. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but i'm quite disappointed by this in practice.

Im holding on to it for the time being because I know there is a lot planned for future firmware updates that I need to hear info about first.... but I have got to stress that this is easily the most important feature update needed and to me its almost useless without it as I don't want to start building up an arsenal of cool patterns when none of them have the groove I need.

EDIT: my post seems quite negative i realize... so i'll add that this sequencer is otherwise amazing and so easy to access cool features I've never been able to do before. Very well thought out and seems pretty playable
savethisrocketship
I really haven't had enough time with this -so not refuting the 'No Groove' assertion (not having shuffle when slaved is a huge bummer), but can't you get step delays, albeit by non-traditional means, by using the ratcheting options that have rests (XXO)? I haven't tested this, so maybe I'm way off, but that's what I was thinking those were included for.
damase
savethisrocketship wrote:
I really haven't had enough time with this -so not refuting the 'No Groove' assertion (not having shuffle when slaved is a huge bummer), but can't you get step delays, albeit by non-traditional means, by using the ratcheting options that have rests (XXO)? I haven't tested this, so maybe I'm way off, but that's what I was thinking those were included for.


Yes I believe you are correct, I did forget to add that ratcheting is alright for it, but in my opinion is not enough as the options are very limited. And when the thing is so powerful otherwise it seems like a weird feature to be missing.
Jaypee
I've been talking about that swing thing for some weeks and weeks.
Hope the new update will cover all these features. help we're not worthy
damase
Jaypee wrote:
I've been talking about that swing thing for some weeks and weeks.
Hope the new update will cover all these features. help we're not worthy


There is so many feature requests people have listed its hard to wade through all the others how important this one is! Even just Micro-Timing would be enough for me, (ill do the swing on my own!)
Jaypee
damase wrote:
Jaypee wrote:
I've been talking about that swing thing for some weeks and weeks.
Hope the new update will cover all these features. help we're not worthy


There is so many feature requests people have listed its hard to wade through all the others how important this one is! Even just Micro-Timing would be enough for me, (ill do the swing on my own!)


Groove is the most important thing in music cool It's peanut butter jelly time!
Dusty Patches
Just wrapped up this track, first real patch with the Eloquencer. Controlled random is awesome.

Daisuk
Dusty Patches wrote:
Just wrapped up this track, first real patch with the Eloquencer. Controlled random is awesome.



Hah, nice track! Some sludgy sounds in there. Nice work. applause

I just made a short halloween track on the Eloquencer. It always sounds better when you're actually doing it, but oh well, maybe someone will like it.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/happyleaguecactus/monoxide[/s]
skylab001
damase wrote:
I've had mine a minute now-- finally got a chance to dive in deep
The interface is incredible, so easy to get a hold of and have it make sense in your brain which is a huge thing ive never experienced on a sequencer.

But...

the thing has NO GROOVE. No microtiming, no step delay, shuffle only works on internal clock and there is only 1 type of shuffle, gate lengths are only 4 options which are also hard set as perfect divisions as well. Even the 'Live Recording' mode just assigns whatever you tap in to the nearest grid point (whats the point in live recording if this is the case???). It feels very robotic everything I make on it being hard-strapped to a rigid clock grid with no way out of it.

There is so many good features going for this sequencer, that to be held back by the lack of groove is a huge shame.... but its a fundamental element that has a huge effect on the music made. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but i'm quite disappointed by this in practice.

Im holding on to it for the time being because I know there is a lot planned for future firmware updates that I need to hear info about first.... but I have got to stress that this is easily the most important feature update needed and to me its almost useless without it as I don't want to start building up an arsenal of cool patterns when none of them have the groove I need.

EDIT: my post seems quite negative i realize... so i'll add that this sequencer is otherwise amazing and so easy to access cool features I've never been able to do before. Very well thought out and seems pretty playable


I completely agree with this. It is a cool sequencer, It ticks a lot of boxes, but I'm hoping above all else the developer will unlock the parameters like gate length and CV to be continuous i.e. 0-127 value, and break the rigid timing giving us micro timing in a similar continuous fashion(the trigger riot has great micro timing). I would hope with a sequencer of this caliber that these would be the top priorities. As of now I have to hold onto other sequencers I was hoping the Elo would replace. Hopefully soon we'll see these improvements.
Multi Grooves
It feels like this page has summed up this box really well. sacrificing swing because you're running something else as master isn't good enough at this moment in time.

Off the top of my head, the next best thing would be use a delay and a divider, with a divide by 2 setting and increase gate length on every other trigger. Something like the SSF propagate could do it.


Does anyone from Winter frequent this thread? Because the outstanding issues have been crystallised well. Is it something they plan on implementing?
BrokenBo
damase wrote:
I've had mine a minute now-- finally got a chance to dive in deep
The interface is incredible, so easy to get a hold of and have it make sense in your brain which is a huge thing ive never experienced on a sequencer.

But...

the thing has NO GROOVE. No microtiming, no step delay, shuffle only works on internal clock and there is only 1 type of shuffle, gate lengths are only 4 options which are also hard set as perfect divisions as well. Even the 'Live Recording' mode just assigns whatever you tap in to the nearest grid point (whats the point in live recording if this is the case???). It feels very robotic everything I make on it being hard-strapped to a rigid clock grid with no way out of it.

There is so many good features going for this sequencer, that to be held back by the lack of groove is a huge shame.... but its a fundamental element that has a huge effect on the music made. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but i'm quite disappointed by this in practice.

Im holding on to it for the time being because I know there is a lot planned for future firmware updates that I need to hear info about first.... but I have got to stress that this is easily the most important feature update needed and to me its almost useless without it as I don't want to start building up an arsenal of cool patterns when none of them have the groove I need.

EDIT: my post seems quite negative i realize... so i'll add that this sequencer is otherwise amazing and so easy to access cool features I've never been able to do before. Very well thought out and seems pretty playable


wow...i was highly considering this module. but now i am not so sure. also the example videos kind of confirm this as they all sound interesting sound wise but also very robotic. confused
Daisuk
I'm clocking my elo from Ableton live using silent way and an es-3. I just swing the clock from silent way, and elo swings happily along with it. So just swing the incoming clock? Not really a big issue, in my opinion. smile
Jaypee
Some eloquencers on modular grid.

Got to admit it's a super sequencer but really hoping they will do something about this groove thing.
Regretting my ER 101 right now confused
Multi Grooves
It's the radio silence that is problematic...

seriously, i just don't get it
Jaypee
Eloi always answers on fb. Super nice guy. Always here to help customers.
Will drop him a message soon about it.
atte
I contact Eloi on a regular basis through Facebook, and find he's quite responsive.

However (as I also pointed out to him) I wish the development stategy for the eloquencer was different:

1) Speak, discuss, get involved with your customers (ER101 could serve as good example), basically noone has any idea what (if anything) is being worked on, or where the eloquencer is heading.

2) Open the code as promised. This could potentionally speed up and spread out the development of functions and bugfixex + open the whole process

3) Micro-release, better to publish small fixes and new features every week than a huge update every half a year, you catch bugs very early, people get to try out the new features and give feedback if the implementation could be done differently + you feed the dog a bone

I really like many aspects of the eloquencer, but there are so many things that need to improve, and currently there's no sign they will.

Jaypee, maybe we should switch: my elo for your er101? EDIT: or did you say you regret selling the ER?
Jaypee
atte wrote:

Jaypee, maybe we should switch: my elo for your er101? EDIT: or did you say you regret selling the ER?


I sold it.
Mainly for the lack of visual feedbacks. But damn. I could do anything I wanted with ER 101. From shuffling clock to trigger and modulating. Everything with sooo much precision!
guestt
Oh come on!

How any eurorack sequencers over the years have had micro timing?

Folk managed just fine because there are a million ways to process your signals and they had the imagination, knowledge and skills to achieve the groove they were looking for.

There is nothing wrong with the Eloquencer, it just doesn't have a feature you are looking for built in, but it is perfectly possible to use however you like with additional modules, kinda like you are supposed to in a modular system, and like folk have been doing for all modular time.

I would love to see some micro timing added to it and yes, the code should be released as promised...

...but for the time being can we stop this turning into a module destruction fest because I would actually like to see this succeed and posts like the one above can be so damaging and as far as I can see... for no real good reason at all.
mdoudoroff
I also sold my ER-101/102, but I’ve never missed it. Yes, it’s an excellent tool, but it was not a good fit for me.

I’ve got the Eloquencer, but the jury is still out whether it will work for me, either.

Jaypee, have you tried clocking the Eloquencer with a swung clock, rather than relying on the internal clock, as per Daisuk’s remarks? It that works well, then it should be much like the ER-101 in that respect, no?

Baddcr thumbs up
atte
Baddcr Agreed!

I came out more grumpy than I should, apologize for that! I basically love the eloquencer. Period.

Would it make sense to help Eloi by structuring the wishes? A ticket system on say github where the users could discuss wishes and make it clear which wishes and bugs are most important?

Just trying to be constructive...
guestt
Hehe it's ok atte we all have those moments, I know I do sometimes grin

It's easy to get carried away when something promises so much but is effectively still in development. We should raise these issues, of course we should, but I think it's important and good to keep some perspective and remember the truth is while the ideas may seem simple making these things work well from a technical perspective can sometimes be very challenging and do take time.

I agree that it would be great if there was some kind of structured feedback mechanism. In the mean time it seems like Eloi is very responsive, and perhaps the best way to make our wishes known is to email directly. I have done this and got quick responses.

Other than that, just need to have some patience and use it for what it is good for. I find I only need to process a couple of signals to get the groove going, everything else being on grid is fine and actually what you probably want.

Here's to some kind of delay, micro timing, shuffle thing in the not too distant future thumbs up
damase
Baddcr wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the Eloquencer, it just doesn't have a feature you are looking for built in, but it is perfectly possible to use however you like with additional modules, kinda like you are supposed to in a modular system, and like folk have been doing for all modular time..


Honestly my post isnt 'module destruction fest'. If anything, your post twists my honest feedback into something worse sounding like a witch hunt. Please be careful if your attempt to be positive is inadvertently putting others in a negative viewpoint.

I know that i can patch my triggers into another module and modulate the attack time and achieve swing ect... i dont need reminders about this. The issue is that many people like myself purchase a sequencer of this caliber HP and price because we dont like to complicate things. Ex.. If im patching for a performance im not going to have extra clock shuffling modules around to compliment the 36hp monster sequencer because thats exactly why i bought the sequencer to avoid having to over complicate a patch just to achieve basic rhythm. If you did go that route, you cant save your externally patched swing into your Eloquencer pattern so really external patching is not a viable option. Its not some rare new feature that we want to achieve in a product, groove has been around for decades on x0x sequencers.

I hope this succeeds too, thats why i bought it... but if we dont provide honest feedback then how can we expect for it to be done? I think anyone who is on the fence about buying deserves to know if a sequencer grooves or not.
radiokoala
I quite dislike the turn this discussion has taken, some statements are over the top.
Lack of swing as the outstanding issue [sic MY ASS IS BLEEDING], problematic radio silence after WM have just released their new firmware a couple of days ago and we all know are SWAMPED with shipping orders, and very encouraging prediction of NO SIGN OF THINGS IMPROVING IN THE FUTURE. Hug

Oh, okay, guys, keep it up!

Think for a second you were a head of the project who's just released their first module and is now bashed for not delivering the swing which had NEVER been advertised as part of a feature set, to begin with, – and you listen to your customers and strive to make your product better working from dusk till dawn, and then you come to this topic to maybe read some words of encourangement or ideas, or at least SENSIBLE feedback, and you encounter that grim prophecy that things will never get better and your product will never live to the expectations.... Very encouraging.

sad banana
damase
Editted: unecessary comment omitted
Jaypee
We criticize to make it even better. Ton of pages are there to tell how much it's one of the best (euroack) sequencer.
It's that good we want more and specially what it has been "promised" razz
guestt
Sure, sorry for any misunderstanding damase

I perhaps won't clear enough when I said 'can we stop this turning into' meaning that it wasn't at the moment but given how these things can go, it could.

Of course issues should be raised, that's super important, but lets keep it positive, respectful and make our requests known with decorum and without resorting to hyperbole and drama.

Not pointing any fingers, not interested in singling anyone out - that's pointless; my post was just a general request and I am very sorry if it came across as anything other than a desire to keep things real and on a positive vibe.
radiokoala
It's okay, it's just that some of the phrasing struck me as counter constructive &/or exaggerated. Baddcr's posts kinda mirror my own outlook here: let's not resort to hyperbole and drama, indeed.

I'd also suggest contacting WM on facebook with any ideas and suggestions, because it seem to me some people mistake muff's for a kind of official product support forum – which it isn't – and then feel offended that their concerns have not been addressed.

Send all your thoughts directly to Eloi, if you want to be heard; that is the path of least resistance.

Cheers.

Boat
mdoudoroff
Part of the problem is that this forum can create the illusion that it represents the Eurorack world, when it does not. It’s probably the largest Eurorack forum, but probably represents only a small minority of the marketplace. A lot of module producers simply don’t have time to keep up with everything here, and some have even been driven away by its demands.
It’s pretty clear that Eloi cannot do everything he needs to and also keep up with this thread, and he has chosen to rely more on Facebook. Some others have too. I can understand how Facebook offers certain conveniences this does not, but I’m not happy about it. Facebook is not really the Internet—it’s a private alternative with some strengths but some seriously problematic aspects. :(
damase
Baddcr
Thank you, i understand you and i just wanted to point out that words on a forum can easily be misunderstood especially when it comes to criticism.... which is really all this is which is healthy criticism of a product that we all know has potential to be as amazing as we imagine.

radiokoala
Good point, sending thoughts i WM is essential. I still feel others on this forum have the right to know my honest review of the product in its current state (which i have mostly extremely positive things to say about!)
Multi Grooves
A little acknowledgement goes a huge distance to all the bed wetting you dislike so much. I'm not sure why FB should be a pre-requisite to comms ( they weren't super quick getting back to me on there in the past anyway). Also I've noticed several being sold on the Grid before the 'mood hoover' posts started. I do not see the sense in everyone individually sending messages potentially asking for the same thing over and over to busy people. This thread is a message board where we the users can compare notes and sharpen our ideas. WM just need to say, "yeah, we've seen your requests this is what we planning to do." That is all.

It has the potential to be so badass....assuming it can overcome its current shortcomings. We post because we want it to be better, not slide it to the grid.

radiokoala wrote:
I quite dislike the turn this discussion has taken, some statements are over the top.[...]

sad banana
Jaypee
Let's do a google doc then we send to Eloi?
atte
Good idea!
skylab001
I don't see any of these comments as bashing the eloquencer. I think there have been good suggestions made. It's good, but why shouldn't it be better? Receiving customer criticism on a product is the best way to improve it. I also agree that small incremental firmware releases would probably keep the wolves at bay.
Southfork
ANyone have any experience of the step sequencer lock up and be slow to update? The outputs are still working but the sequence seems to stop in its tracks hmmm.....
sendepause
I have one and i love it.
It's a breeze to program, it can do a lot of things in a relatively small package, 8 tracks - i repeat 8 TRACKS... If you put some time in it to dive in to, programming longer sequences is super easy.

Sure, it lacks a few things like micro timing and it might not be perfect considering swing, but he, thank god there are also other flavors of sequencers in eurorack. This surely isn't the module that rules all other sequencers. Thank god no...

And i think swing is an overrated concept. If you had a drummer in your band that had swing you would have kicked him out because his timing would be all over the place... nanners (yeah i get the concept of swing and/or funk but it is not necessarily done with a sequencer i think)
guestt
This was done with the Eloquencer, PNW, ER-301, Natural Gate and Wogglebug, that's it:

[s]https://soundcloud.com/kel/au-naturale[/s]
rutabaga40
edited...took a while for the mac to recognize the Eloquencer...but they finally connected. As you were...
nrg242
how long is a while? my PC has been connected to the eloquencer for 15 min now and still doesn't show up in the updater program.

update: tried my mac laptop. recognized it immediately (called cu.usbmodem1421).
atte
I'm on linux, instant recognition of the eloquencer hmmm.....
Jaypee
make sure it's a data cable!

(i used my phone charger cable the first time d'oh! hihi )
wingcommander
Probably been mentioned before and I’m the last to realise that you can take cv out of say, track 1, send it to an aux set up for cvplus and transpose track 2 or whatever. I guess with some mults as well you could take track 2 and transpose track 3... and so on.
savethisrocketship
^ive been enjoying this (using a single track to transpose all melodic tracks), but it leaves me wishing you could divide down the clock of tracks independently - otherwise it gets a bit tedious. Swing when slaved would be my first and main feature request, this would be my second... everything after that would be icing on the cake.
atimbral
I've noticed a problem with my Eloquencer when looping a sequence. There's always this little "blip" from the last CV to the first step if they're different pitches. I looked at the scope, and what's happening is that the step 1 CV is changing about 10 milliseconds after the gate's rising edge, rather than concurrently as it does on every other step.

Here's a pic of a 2-step sequence; step 1 is C1, step 2 is C2.

The scope is triggering on the rising edge of step 1s gate (blue) and shows clearly that the CV change lags behind, accounting for the audible "blip".

Some additional details/conditions:
- the last CV sounded needs to be different than the one in step 1
- it's not track specific
- it occurs with ext & int clock
- it occurs with sequences of any length, but always only on the 1st step
- Master track can be int or A-H

Maybe I'll have to sign up for Facebook to contact Winter Modular, but thought I'd check here first to see if anyone else has encountered or can duplicate this.
aeonblack
Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, but I've just had time to finally start diving into this module and haven't been keeping up with this thread...

Is the Eloquencer polymetric (meaning, can each track have a different length?)? I picked most of the functions up pretty intuitively (and with some manual reading), but I couldn't find an answer to that one.
sendepause
atimbral wrote:
I've noticed a problem with my Eloquencer when looping a sequence. There's always this little "blip" from the last CV to the first step if they're different pitches. I looked at the scope, and what's happening is that the step 1 CV is changing about 10 milliseconds after the gate's rising edge, rather than concurrently as it does on every other step.


Which firmware are you using?
Southfork
savethisrocketship wrote:
^ive been enjoying this (using a single track to transpose all melodic tracks), but it leaves me wishing you could divide down the clock of tracks independently - otherwise it gets a bit tedious. Swing when slaved would be my first and main feature request, this would be my second... everything after that would be icing on the cake.


You can divide the clock on tracks independently unless im misunderstanding you. You can't multiply per track yet though.
mdoudoroff
aeonblack wrote:
Is the Eloquencer polymetric (meaning, can each track have a different length?)? I picked most of the functions up pretty intuitively (and with some manual reading), but I couldn't find an answer to that one.


Yes, but only within the overall 16-step pattern. Note the whole track reset scheme (which you can disable on a per-track basis) and playback direction options (which interact with the reset scheme).
savethisrocketship
Edit: I have also noticed the behavior that atimbral is mentioning.

Southfork wrote:
savethisrocketship wrote:
^ive been enjoying this (using a single track to transpose all melodic tracks), but it leaves me wishing you could divide down the clock of tracks independently - otherwise it gets a bit tedious. Swing when slaved would be my first and main feature request, this would be my second... everything after that would be icing on the cake.


You can divide the clock on tracks independently unless im misunderstanding you. You can't multiply per track yet though.


It's totally possible that I'm wrong, but I thought I had read elsewhere in the thread that you cannot have, for example: Track 1 triggering 16th notes and Track 2 triggering 1/4th notes. I would love to be wrong about this!

Additionally, I've been trying to use a 'swung' clock from my Analog Rytm to drive the ELO, I've loaded pulse samples from TTA and Make Noise that have been recommended for similar applications, also tried to use the Rytms onboard engine to generate one. I can drive the ELO this way, and it swings, but it's super irregular, skipping steps or dropping beats or whatnot. Anyone have any tips for tighter sync? I've had no problems with a regular clock. Thanks for any advice!
bgcriswell
You can divide a track in the step mode settings. Go to step mode "div /4" and if you click on the encoder you can change the divisions. The same thing works with the repeat mode. The only thing I don't like about the way this is setup is you can only divide or repeat with the sequence moving forward. It would be nice if divide and repeat had their own page separate from the step mode. Can't have it all though and it works great how it is.
atimbral
sendepause wrote:
atimbral wrote:
I've noticed a problem with my Eloquencer when looping a sequence. There's always this little "blip" from the last CV to the first step if they're different pitches. I looked at the scope, and what's happening is that the step 1 CV is changing about 10 milliseconds after the gate's rising edge, rather than concurrently as it does on every other step.


Which firmware are you using?

I've upgraded to 1.04
brotherbeard
Atimbral - you upgraded your firmware. Did that fix the problem? Curious as I'm starting to get used to my Eloquencer and this is a thing I'd worry about with my planned use-case.

Cheers!
-Bro B
atimbral
brotherbeard wrote:
Atimbral - you upgraded your firmware. Did that fix the problem? Curious as I'm starting to get used to my Eloquencer and this is a thing I'd worry about with my planned use-case.

Cheers!
-Bro B

No. I've been on 1.04 since it was released. This problem was present before and after the upgrade.
sendepause
atimbral wrote:
brotherbeard wrote:
Atimbral - you upgraded your firmware. Did that fix the problem? Curious as I'm starting to get used to my Eloquencer and this is a thing I'd worry about with my planned use-case.

Cheers!
-Bro B

No. I've been on 1.04 since it was released. This problem was present before and after the upgrade.


Strange, i thought this problem was tackled in the new firmware...
savethisrocketship
bgcriswell wrote:
You can divide a track in the step mode settings. Go to step mode "div /4" and if you click on the encoder you can change the divisions. The same thing works with the repeat mode. The only thing I don't like about the way this is setup is you can only divide or repeat with the sequence moving forward. It would be nice if divide and repeat had their own page separate from the step mode. Can't have it all though and it works great how it is.


we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy Thank you for pointing this out!!!
enoughframes
Hi guys !!

Sorry that we haven't been active around here lately, but we’ve been immersed in the building and shipping of the second batch.

Some of you have let me know through facebook that there's been some discussion going on here lately, but I haven’t found time to properly answer.

Most of you know that we are a very small company and that we are putting a lot of effort on our module, improving the code, answering people doubts, including feature wishes, etc... I think most of you understand that we don’t have enough resources to be as responsive in the forums as we would like. As some of you have commented, right now we have decided to focus mainly on the e-mail and the facebook page.

We plan to set up a forum where we all can share ideas, wishes, bugs and whatever around the module. We will open the code too, but there’s still work to be done before it can be public ready and properly documented. But we will, I promise so.

We totally agree that is better to do micro releases with small bug fixing, this has been the idea from the beginning. We are doing some changes in the way we create the executables so we can quickly deliver more frequent "micro updates”.

Some of the issues and bugs that you comment are already fixed for the next release. For example, the repeated and missing ratcheting modes in the step edition have been fixed. Regarding the Reset input, we have added a new reset input mode that works with start-stop signals from other modules. Alongside other small details.

We are also working on the two remaining modes (LFO and MOD) and on a quick way to chain patterns in pattern mode, we think you will like it.

Please keep asking for new features, reporting bugs, because we might not have the time to participate in the discussion, we are definitely reading your posts. And the most important! keep doing fucking good music!!

Thanks to all of you for your enthusiasm.

Eloi
Jaypee
Get that swing !!! we're not worthy w00t
Multi Grooves
savethisrocketship
Jaypee wrote:
Get that swing !!! we're not worthy w00t
applause Amen.

I'm very pleased to hear about a start/stop option, though. Easier pattern chaining also would be a plus. All in all that's excellent news w00t
dykehouse
I bought the Eloquncer a few weeks back and I love it:) I am wondering though if in the real time pattern recording mode if ties might be able to be recorded by just playing the phrase and holding down the note, similar to say the real time on an Avalon Bassline for example. Basically if you could play the phrase on the keyboard and all of the held notes would be 'held' when played back. Look forward to the update.
ssirKriss
cv over pattern change please we're not worthy
reodjectz
ssirKriss wrote:
cv over pattern change please we're not worthy


I love the arms race this new batch of sequencers has started. the 2.0 SHmk2 added CV over pattern selection and I bet winter modular will follow suite.
SlyFrank
This sequencer looks awesome - ticks all the boxes for what I'm looking for right now - could replace two of my current sequencers and be more powerful and immediate to boot.

This might have been asked somewhere in this large thread, but I've watched 3 videos on YouTube and still haven't found the answer to this question:

Can the CV OUTs be unquantized? Please say yes...I almost never want quantized outputs, whether for note values (I use an external quantizer for custom - non equal temperament - tunings and quantized inputs can cause problems, although they can work with the occasional hiccup) or for use as a sequenced CV modulation source.

Is the upcoming MOD mode to address this? Does that allow unquantized CV OUTs. I hope so because this sequencer looks amazing and I'm about to pull the trigger on a pre-order, but if I'm stuck with only quantized CVs, I dunno.... Is there a setting currently where the quantizer can simply be turned off? If not, does the upcoming firmware update address this?
franman69
only quantized as of now.. sorry.
SlyFrank
franman69 wrote:
only quantized as of now.. sorry.


Thanks for the reply. Are there plans to offer unquantized CVs in the future? What is the upcoming MOD update? Sounds like maybe it would make it usable as a modulation source, i.e. unquantized CVs? I think there is a LFO update coming soon too, although I think I can figure that one out - synced LFOs, which would be very nice w00t

Disregarding my rare requirement for microtonal scales, I'm surprised that people don't want to use this for sequenced source(s) of modulation, which need to be unquantized. I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority...wouldn't be the first time hihi

Edit: On one of the videos on this sequencer it was mentioned that there was an option to make a user scale, not just of a subset of semitone notes, but of individually tuned notes enabling non-western scales, so long as one has an accurate multimeter, which I have - I use it to calibrate Ornament & Crime for just this purpose. Is this possible? Can I make a custom, microtonal scale and place it in the user scale slot? Even if it's limited to only one microtonal scale, at least that's better than nothing, and I'm not even really asking for that feature - simply having unquantized CVs would be the ultimate, and seemingly pretty easy to implement - just have an option to disable the quantizer and dial in voltage values - those voltage values would work great for modulating anything with a CV in...or for going into an external quantizer.
BrokenBo
do you have CV over play mode and CV over step repeat? couldn´t quite find out after fyling through the manual.
ssirKriss
BrokenBo wrote:
do you have CV over play mode and CV over step repeat? couldn´t quite find out after fyling through the manual.


closest thing to a step repeat:

"
R:
The​ ​voltage​ ​of​ ​the​ ​CV​ ​INPUT​ ​will​ ​define​ ​the​ ​Ratcheting​ ​value​ ​in​ ​the​ ​current​ ​Step​ ​for​ ​the​ ​assigned​ ​tracks.

RP:
The​ ​voltage​ ​of​ ​the​ ​CV​ ​INPUT​ ​will​ ​be​ ​the​ ​RATCHETING​ ​Probability​ ​value​ ​in​ ​the​ ​current​ ​Step​ ​for​ ​the​ ​assigned tracks.
"

play mode: i don't think so ..but you can cv so many other parameters to give it variety like gate probability, pattern shift, mute, fill
guestt
I damaged my faceplate on my Eloquencer... no idea how it happened but a tiny scratch right in the middle sad banana

This is the first module I have ever damaged, the only things that have been anywhere near it are cables, other modules and I think I may have done it with the corner of another module - it's the only thing I can possibly think of that could have done it. It's practically brand new, there's not even the faintest sign of rack rash - I use washers and clean my gear regularly. I really look after it all very well so pretty gutted.

Eloi being very cool and will help me out, but basically I'll be buying a new panel.

Or should I just live with it and think of it like buckle rash on a rock and roll guitar?

(That's just not me - I always looked after my guitars very very well too! This shit is too expensive to not look after!)
Multi Grooves
Baddcr wrote:
I damaged my faceplate on my Eloquencer... no idea how it happened but a tiny scratch right in the middle sad banana

This is the first module I have ever damaged, the only things that have been anywhere near it are cables, other modules and I think I may have done it with the corner of another module - it's the only thing I can possibly think of that could have done it. It's practically brand new, there's not even the faintest sign of rack rash - I use washers and clean my gear regularly. I really look after it all very well so pretty gutted.

Eloi being very cool and will help me out, but basically I'll be buying a new panel.

Or should I just live with it and think of it like buckle rash on a rock and roll guitar?

(That's just not me - I always looked after my guitars very very well too! This shit is too expensive to not look after!)


Be the first to customise it!
guestt
That is an excellent idea Multi Grooves - proper cheered me up - thank you!!

nanners
mdoudoroff
I would be interested in a high contrast faceplate for the Eloquencer. I simply can’t read the orange text on black. It’s a problem.
exper
mdoudoroff wrote:
I would be interested in a high contrast faceplate for the Eloquencer. I simply can’t read the orange text on black. It’s a problem.


Ditto. Unless you have a lot of light, the legend is extremely hard to read. I’d kill for a high contrast aluminum panel or a grayscale version.
Muse FTW
mdoudoroff wrote:
I would be interested in a high contrast faceplate for the Eloquencer. I simply can’t read the orange text on black. It’s a problem.


It's bloody impossible at times. I have to move my face an inch away the faceplate to see anything. Terrific module but it's so annoying to use it sometimes because you just can't see shit for the shortcuts.
wingcommander
I think, in the end, you just have to remember what everything does. I have an Octocontroller and the text is clear and contrasty but so damn small. Eventually however, all the output types, divisions etc seeped into the old grey matter and I threw away the A4 print out of the panel. Which maybe would be a good idea for the Elo to kick start the process.
Jaypee
nothing will be done before adding that swing from ext clock hihi hihi hihi
BrokenBo
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?
SunSpots
So this looks like totally amazing. I want two.
Is it worth it right now or does it have killer bugs or anything terribly wrong?
monads
It's worth getting and will only improve with firmware updates. Yes it can do melodic sequences with ease and there are some comparisons to Stillson Mk2 however I think they're both different and compliment each other. You can't go wrong with either sequencer.
ssirKriss
BrokenBo wrote:
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?


melodies are more immediate on the hammer, since you have a bunch of sliders.

Elo can do melodies, but you have to dial it in using one knob.

I use the Elo for drums/percussive stuff.
Keltie
ssirKriss wrote:
BrokenBo wrote:
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?


melodies are more immediate on the hammer, since you have a bunch of sliders.

Elo can do melodies, but you have to dial it in using one knob.

I use the Elo for drums/percussive stuff.


No argument against the immediacy of sliders as on SH2, Metropolis etc, but to be clear, you can record melodies on elo using the step keys as a mini keyboard in live rec mode....theres talk of direct recording in real time via the cv ins in future, which tbh I was disappointed isnt already there....

I dont have wide experience with a variety of sequencers, but elo is working for me so far, for both drums and melody.....
SunSpots
Oh man I just saw they are sold out... any word from Eloi when they will Be back in stock? Guess if they r limited I’ll have to buy two Rockin' Banana! sad banana Dead Banana Rockin' Banana! Rockin' Banana!
Skumrask
About polmetric tracks: no matter how long you make the track or the clock division (that was new to me), you can always choose a section of any length to repeat. It's great for cramming simple patterns into a 16 step track which only plays say 4 - 8 notes. It adds to the immediacy that all the notes are available and you just hop around making fills with two finger.

I'll edit and give the details after work.
Daisuk
Am I the only one that wants mutes to save with patterns? Would make the building of tracks a whole lot easier. When you want to make a breakdown for instance, copy pattern, but then just mute a few channels and add a little variation to the ones playing. Muting the channels would be a lot easier than having to "grey out" all the active notes in all the tracks, and would also make duplicating that pattern to the next pattern more useful.
Hape
Hello!

I have the eloquencer as my master clock and want to sync it with Pamela's New Workout. But when I patch clock out of the eloquencer in clock input of PNW, Pam's Display shows a wrong clock (e.g. 110 bpm eloquencer -> 18 bpm Pam). When I enter edit mode in Pam it shows "clock not present" or "unstable clock". I can only multiply the clock output of the eloquencer by 2. I think it's a problem of the eloquencer, because with other clocks pam works fine. On both devices latest firmware is installed. I also tried different ppqn settings. Can someone help me? I
franman69
Try going the other way?? PNW controlling Elo... That's what I've been trying to get to work. Even with the new firmware, the reset is temperamental.
Hape
franman69 wrote:
Try going the other way?? PNW controlling Elo... That's what I've been trying to get to work. Even with the new firmware, the reset is temperamental.

Yes, the other way works fine. I have to multiply Pam's clock by 4 but ok...
It is a bit awkward and I lose one of Pam's output.
davidjames
Daisuk wrote:
Am I the only one that wants mutes to save with patterns? Would make the building of tracks a whole lot easier. When you want to make a breakdown for instance, copy pattern, but then just mute a few channels and add a little variation to the ones playing. Muting the channels would be a lot easier than having to "grey out" all the active notes in all the tracks, and would also make duplicating that pattern to the next pattern more useful.


+1 for mute saving!
davidjames
Would it be possible to extend the AUX reset behavior to send a pulse when the master track resets, in addition to when the sequencer is stopped? I guess that would need to be a separate option since I wouldn't always want it to work that way.
SunSpots
davidjames wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
Am I the only one that wants mutes to save with patterns? Would make the building of tracks a whole lot easier. When you want to make a breakdown for instance, copy pattern, but then just mute a few channels and add a little variation to the ones playing. Muting the channels would be a lot easier than having to "grey out" all the active notes in all the tracks, and would also make duplicating that pattern to the next pattern more useful.


+1 for mute saving!


mute saving and glide not being used at all are 2 very big oversights imo. There's other issues, but overall this sequencer rocks. I love it.

but I would totally totally love it way more if just mute saving and glide were introduced.
importjingles
I would like to see note step programming using the keyboard (303 style) without having to live record. Fixing up missed timed notes is basically impossible and programming notes using the encoder is a complete chore.

I can see this working well as a firmware update.
Jaypee
For those who like me wanted the shuffle/swing when clocking the Eloquencer with an ext clock...you can clock eloquencer with a shuffled/swung clock!
So the amount of shuffling is determined by the incoming clock. Not from the eloquencer.

Hope to be able to do it directly from the eloquencer in the next updates but meanwhile it's a solution, and I don't know why I haven't tried it earlier... very frustrating
SunSpots
I just wanted to mention how amazing this sequencer is. I finally got to sit down and go through all its functions. It's truly freaking awesome. I didn't think I would like the purely random button but actually I get in that mood sometimes. I enjoy seeing what happens when I press that button a bunch and then maybe cut some stuff out and see what I can work with. It's like I get to work backwards on a sequence from chaos to order. Then I get to save it and play it over and over so it's really cool. I have to get into the longer melodies which appears to be a little bit out of the way but it doesn't seem too difficult I'll play with it tonight. As far as being a pain in the ass to edit long melodies, I can see that possibly but I actually like the workflow so far it's been great. I have no problems with changing one note at a time because that's kind of how I think anyways. Anybody else really want Glide? I can't wait till see what their new updates are. I looked at their recent firmware update video and they did a really great job updating
Daisuk
Just had a quick chat with Eloi on Facebook. He said he'd look into mutes saving with patterns, but it might be an issue with backwards-compatibility with projects/patterns. Also regarding external clock swing, as has been said a few times already in this thread - just swing the clock coming into Eloquencer, and it will swing along happily (if you don't have a clock source that can swing, why not use Elo as clock source, and clock your clocking device from the "clock out" of Elo?).

SunSpots - I agree, it's a brilliant sequencer. Soooo many possibilites. Mr. Green
SunSpots
Daisuk wrote:
Just had a quick chat with Eloi on Facebook. He said he'd look into mutes saving with patterns, but it might be an issue with backwards-compatibility with projects/patterns. Also regarding external clock swing, as has been said a few times already in this thread - just swing the clock coming into Eloquencer, and it will swing along happily (if you don't have a clock source that can swing, why not use Elo as clock source, and clock your clocking device from the "clock out" of Elo?).

SunSpots - I agree, it's a brilliant sequencer. Soooo many possibilites. Mr. Green


Yes he is talking to me on Facebook too. I'm such a fanboy right now lol. They are considering some really great features. But I gotta say even if they do almost nothing I would be totally happy with this sequencer right now. I finally got around to making longer patterns by chaining patterns together inside the song mode and then live recording the drums and live recording The Melodies and it was actually super simple and I got exactly the results that I wanted. I was totally happy I do not remember ever being this happy with a sequencer at all in Euro Rack or frankly even with the electribe sequencers.

I just have to tell someone you guys who are kind of on the fence when the next batch comes out you definitely need to make this a primary purchase. It also has a live performance options which I was playing with last night as well which are just as easy as they seem on any of the videos
VanEck
Definitely looking forward to getting one.

Do we have any ETA when the next batch will be available?
glassofwater
what does the CV/AC mean on this? AC = accent?

can I use a channel to sequence for example a tiptop 808 kick drum both with gate and accents? is it fast and fluent to program that?
Daisuk
glassofwater wrote:
what does the CV/AC mean on this? AC = accent?

can I use a channel to sequence for example a tiptop 808 kick drum both with gate and accents? is it fast and fluent to program that?


Yes, yes, yes and yes. smile
SunSpots
VanEck wrote:
Definitely looking forward to getting one.

Do we have any ETA when the next batch will be available?


I just asked in FB if he has ANY idea. i'll reply if he gives any kind of response he's cool with everyone knowing. I did ask Analoguehaven about 2 weeks ago and he said he was expecting a shipment, but I don't see anything in their store so maybe he wasn't?
djthopa
Keltie wrote:
ssirKriss wrote:
BrokenBo wrote:
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?


melodies are more immediate on the hammer, since you have a bunch of sliders.

Elo can do melodies, but you have to dial it in using one knob.

I use the Elo for drums/percussive stuff.


No argument against the immediacy of sliders as on SH2, Metropolis etc, but to be clear, you can record melodies on elo using the step keys as a mini keyboard in live rec mode....theres talk of direct recording in real time via the cv ins in future, which tbh I was disappointed isnt already there....

I dont have wide experience with a variety of sequencers, but elo is working for me so far, for both drums and melody.....


That is the key feature missing in this sequencer for me, record cv / gates into tracks from the cv ins
SunSpots
djthopa wrote:
Keltie wrote:
ssirKriss wrote:
BrokenBo wrote:
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?


melodies are more immediate on the hammer, since you have a bunch of sliders.

Elo can do melodies, but you have to dial it in using one knob.

I use the Elo for drums/percussive stuff.


No argument against the immediacy of sliders as on SH2, Metropolis etc, but to be clear, you can record melodies on elo using the step keys as a mini keyboard in live rec mode....theres talk of direct recording in real time via the cv ins in future, which tbh I was disappointed isnt already there....

I dont have wide experience with a variety of sequencers, but elo is working for me so far, for both drums and melody.....


That is the key feature missing in this sequencer for me, record cv / gates into tracks from the cv ins


I don't hear a lot of people wanting to record CV or gate ins but everybody who wants it seems to think it's fundamental. I guess I've just never done it so I don't know. Can you enlighten me why this is so crucial and how you would use it? Maybe tell me some of the modules you would use?
djthopa
In my case, i would like to come up with sequences that i like of pitch and gate, be able to record them and then either transform them, move forward, backward, pendulum, and be able to storage them on a sd card.
I think from a performance point of view, or just as a sketch you could save cv sequences to re use later on.
wanne
maybe i have overseen something..
i can sync and reset the elo without problems....

but,start and stop is only possible by pressing the button (at the moment)??
hmmm..... hmmm.....
Multi Grooves
I'm finally getting into thiis sequencer. I'm just seeing how well thought out it is and it's starting on feel easy and pleasurable to use... I also see the Elektron influences. Bravo!
Multi Grooves
I may have run into an issue: is it possible to have different clock divisions per channel/track?
Daisuk
Multi Grooves wrote:
I may have run into an issue: is it possible to have different clock divisions per channel/track?


Have you read the manual? wink
If not, check out the section "step modes" in it. And make sure you set the master track to the longest track (the most divided one).
Multi Grooves
Daisuk wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
I may have run into an issue: is it possible to have different clock divisions per channel/track?


Have you read the manual? wink
If not, check out the section "step modes" in it. And make sure you set the master track to the longest track (the most divided one).


I scanned it looking for chapter titles I thought were 'it'.... But yeah I have read been reading through it. Thanks for the heads up...

I see it!...That seems to be the only section I hadn't really looked into: not this shit again
I still find it a little tricky navigating between programming gates/CV and the Free play, live edit mode; there are times when there are no sounds coming out yet I'm seeing programmed notes on screen or am tapping in notes but getting silence. But overall really digging this box.
buzzbuzz
Just picked one up second hand and this morning it has decided to stop sending pitch cv on all channels.

Anyone have contact info for WM? There doesn't seem to be anything on the site.
Jaypee
buzzbuzz wrote:
Just picked one up second hand and this morning it has decided to stop sending pitch cv on all channels.

Anyone have contact info for WM? There doesn't seem to be anything on the site.


try fb or winter.modular AT gmail dot com
thumbs up
buzzbuzz
Jaypee wrote:
buzzbuzz wrote:
Just picked one up second hand and this morning it has decided to stop sending pitch cv on all channels.

Anyone have contact info for WM? There doesn't seem to be anything on the site.


try fb or winter.modular AT gmail dot com
thumbs up


Thank you!
Daveyp
This one is next on my list if I ever get the money together. What to sell...?
hihi
dhoinjo
In the manual I read:

Clock Output:
Used to send the internal clock signal. It can be configured to send multiplications and divisions of the
internal clock

Does that mean it doesn't output a clock signal when there is an external clock reveived?

Would it be possible to "forward" the incoming clock? Or even better: divide it?
nullpunkt
Don´t know if this has already been asked:

I changed the length of track A and B to 12 steps and entered some notes into both of them. Now I tried to shift the notes in Track B one step forward time after time. The problem is that a note, which passes step 12 is not set to step 1 (what I think is logical) but instead to step 13 which is not in the played length of the sequence.

Is there an option to set the Eloquencer to do like I wanted it to do?
dhoinjo
just for the sake of documentation or anyone having the same question: Eli replied on Fb:

Quote:
it repeats the internal or external clock, after divide it or multiply it
dhoinjo
atimbral wrote:
brotherbeard wrote:
Atimbral - you upgraded your firmware. Did that fix the problem? Curious as I'm starting to get used to my Eloquencer and this is a thing I'd worry about with my planned use-case.

Cheers!
-Bro B

No. I've been on 1.04 since it was released. This problem was present before and after the upgrade.


did you ever solve this problem? I'm having the same issue here. Also on 1.04. Bought it with the new firmware already on it.
Daisuk
One other little thing I haven't mentioned yet - how responsive are the buttons on your modules? It's one of the little annoying things with it, if I slide my finger across all the buttons, a lot of buttons won't light up. Sometimes I have to press an unresponsive button quite hard to activate it. Kind of a pain in the butt, but a minor niggle obviously.

Anyone experienced this? Is there anything that can be done about it?
Jaypee
nullpunkt wrote:
Don´t know if this has already been asked:

I changed the length of track A and B to 12 steps and entered some notes into both of them. Now I tried to shift the notes in Track B one step forward time after time. The problem is that a note, which passes step 12 is not set to step 1 (what I think is logical) but instead to step 13 which is not in the played length of the sequence.

Is there an option to set the Eloquencer to do like I wanted it to do?


I wrote Eloi about it exactly.
No you/we can't do it. meh
But try to tell him too so he might add it in the next FW smile
nullpunkt
Jaypee wrote:
I wrote Eloi about it exactly.
No you/we can't do it. meh
But try to tell him too so he might add it in the next FW smile



I will. Good to know that there are others with the same problem. I came across it when I tried to reproduce Steve Reich's "Clapping Music".
Multi Grooves
Super basic but when I go into random mode, there are 3 buttons [3,5 & 6] lit up from the row of 16, what do they signify? Do I need to freeze before initialising this mode i.e. Does this overwrite a saved pattern or should I be able to recall the original saved version to erase the newly randomised pattern?
I also struggled editing this mode. (I've been away so had proponents accessing this info)
restlessboy
Another Eloquencer track:

SunSpots
Okay so I wanted to put this here just in case it helps somebody. Regarding making longer sequences and then easily going back and editing the little parts that you like and don't like. Basically I end up always making longer sequences. So this is how I work every time I go to the module. I go into song mode and I set up a chain of patterns that is usually 4 to 8 patterns long. First though you have to make sure those patterns have something in them. Because you cannot change blank pattern to blank pattern you have to have at least something in there. That's easy enough to do and a small little pain in the ass but after you do it you can chain all those patterns together and song mode. Then you can go back and play the song. You can live record into the song. As live recording goes you sometimes make mistakes, or if you're like me you basically make a mistake every single time you live record. You can easily go back to the individual part of the song or pattern by simply going into pattern mode while the song is still playing. This is what I did not know as of yesterday. Your Live recorded song will continue to play even if you go into pattern mode and go into an individual pattern that you messed up and move the notes around and modify the gates and add a little bit of random here and there. You will actually see the little bleepy light go past you as it plays that pattern in the song. That made editing my mistakes super easy whereas before I would just delete the whole thing as the song played and then try to redo it again costing me tons of time and lots of annoyance. Now I can just go change that one little note I messed up and also do a bunch of micro editing of little random or shifting of notes around. Hope this helps if you have questions obviously let me know
radiokoala
Multi Grooves wrote:
Super basic but when I go into random mode, there are 3 buttons [3,5 & 6] lit up from the row of 16, what do they signify? Do I need to freeze before initialising this mode i.e. Does this overwrite a saved pattern or should I be able to recall the original saved version to erase the newly randomised pattern?
I also struggled editing this mode. (I've been away so had proponents accessing this info)

While reading / translating (yes! to Russian! on page 20 atm: expect it soon!! w00t) the manual just a couple mins ago I stumbled on this line, which said “...Deactivate the things you don't want to randomize (CV, Gate... !!! Track length, step mode, scale !!!) – so this is super rad you can randomize these things too. screaming goo yo MY ASS IS BLEEDING SlayerBadger!

And Re: SunSpots

I'm sorry to say this (excuse me other guys Hug), but this must be THE most useful tip / post in the thread. Kudos! Keep it up.

Bananallama!
dhoinjo
SunSpots wrote:
You can easily go back to the individual part of the song or pattern by simply going into pattern mode while the song is still playing. This is what I did not know as of yesterday. Your Live recorded song will continue to play even if you go into pattern mode and go into an individual pattern that you messed up and move the notes around and modify the gates and add a little bit of random here and there. You will actually see the little bleepy light go past you as it plays that pattern in the song.


thanks for pointing this out. Hadn't tried that yet. Guess I know what I'm goint to be doing the rest of the weekend screaming goo yo
sendepause
Encountered some weirdness:
My clock output isn't working out of a sudden, but i do get a clock out of the aux output, which is possibly normal when set to Gate....
Keltie
SunSpots wrote:
djthopa wrote:
Keltie wrote:
ssirKriss wrote:
BrokenBo wrote:
have another question here:

how does the eloquencer perform with melodic sequences. is it comparable to the stillson hammer mkII?


melodies are more immediate on the hammer, since you have a bunch of sliders.

Elo can do melodies, but you have to dial it in using one knob.

I use the Elo for drums/percussive stuff.


No argument against the immediacy of sliders as on SH2, Metropolis etc, but to be clear, you can record melodies on elo using the step keys as a mini keyboard in live rec mode....theres talk of direct recording in real time via the cv ins in future, which tbh I was disappointed isnt already there....

I dont have wide experience with a variety of sequencers, but elo is working for me so far, for both drums and melody.....


That is the key feature missing in this sequencer for me, record cv / gates into tracks from the cv ins


I don't hear a lot of people wanting to record CV or gate ins but everybody who wants it seems to think it's fundamental. I guess I've just never done it so I don't know. Can you enlighten me why this is so crucial and how you would use it? Maybe tell me some of the modules you would use?


coming back to this thread after not having looked at it for a while....

direct cv recording would be useful for all sorts of reasons and contexts. For me, I'd use this to record outputs from a locked turing machine coming into elo via a quantiser, once it randomly finds something I like, and, quite obviously, I think, to provide a standard midi sequencer like workflow when attached to a keyboard such as a keystep, or anything via midi-cv converter.... also recording mods from just about anything, such as an lfo, or random source.
dhoinjo
Quote:
direct cv recording would be useful for all sorts of reasons and contexts. For me, I'd use this to record outputs from a locked turing machine coming into elo via a quantiser, once it randomly finds something I like, and, quite obviously, I think, to provide a standard midi sequencer like workflow when attached to a keyboard such as a keystep, or anything via midi-cv converter.... also recording mods from just about anything, such as an lfo, or random source.


exactly!
couldn't agree more.
solaris
hej gang,
a question about pattern length:

- if I set pattern length on the CLOCK menu, that will affect every single pattern and besides the fact that I don't get it why someone would do that, it's certainly not what I want to do.

- if I modify TRACK LENGTH for all 8 tracks in my pattern, it will play twice the first step. why?
Daisuk
solaris wrote:
hej gang,
a question about pattern length:

- if I set pattern length on the CLOCK menu, that will affect every single pattern and besides the fact that I don't get it why someone would do that, it's certainly not what I want to do.

- if I modify TRACK LENGTH for all 8 tracks in my pattern, it will play twice the first step. why?


So, what do you want to achieve exactly? Will probably be easier to help you if you clarify that. smile
solaris
Daisuk wrote:
solaris wrote:
hej gang,
a question about pattern length:

- if I set pattern length on the CLOCK menu, that will affect every single pattern and besides the fact that I don't get it why someone would do that, it's certainly not what I want to do.

- if I modify TRACK LENGTH for all 8 tracks in my pattern, it will play twice the first step. why?


So, what do you want to achieve exactly? Will probably be easier to help you if you clarify that. :)


well, I want to create some patterns with less than 16 steps.
I press FUNC + TRK LEN, I change the length for each track let's say 15 steps, and the kick I have on track 1, step 1, plays twice.
dhoinjo
Quote:
the kick I have on track 1, step 1, plays twice


are you sure the ratchet is set to one?
dhoinjo
and does it do that every cycle? I have noticed that my eloquencer tends to play the first step twice when I push start. But only for the first cycle.
solaris
@dhoinjo:
ratcheting is off.
double trig at every cycle.
thx.
solaris
additional question, unrelated to the above issue:
is it possible to PAUSE the sequence instead to stop+restart from pattern1 step1?
dhoinjo
Ah think I understand now. Your master track length is probably set to 16. So It plays 15 steps, starts the next 15 steps but gets a reset immediately. Not sure if I'm making myself clear but I think you need to adjust the master track length.
solaris
dhoinjo wrote:
Ah think I understand now. Your master track length is probably set to 16. So It plays 15 steps, starts the next 15 steps but gets a reset immediately. Not sure if I'm making myself clear but I think you need to adjust the master track length.


but if I change the master track length, it will affect every other pattern, right?
now, I don't want to play everything in 15/16, just a few specific patterns.
dhoinjo
You are right. Not at my rack right now. I'll check it out later and let you know. But I'm pretty sure I have done already what you want to do.
solaris
dhoinjo wrote:
You are right. Not at my rack right now. I'll check it out later and let you know. But I'm pretty sure I have done already what you want to do.


ok thank you!
radiokoala
solaris wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Ah think I understand now. Your master track length is probably set to 16. So It plays 15 steps, starts the next 15 steps but gets a reset immediately. Not sure if I'm making myself clear but I think you need to adjust the master track length.


but if I change the master track length, it will affect every other pattern, right?
now, I don't want to play everything in 15/16, just a few specific patterns.

Instead of changing master track length, set master track to be a specific track (A-H), that will help solve ALL of the problems you have including:

A. You will be able to set different length for ALL patterns.
B. Double-trigger on step 1 will NEVER happen.
C. Major UX/workflow improvements.*

* As you were describing the steps to set the track length at 15, you mentioned changing it simultaneously for all tracks: you need to make sure all tracks are selected in the menu – say, you changed some in the process – and do it every time. Here you will change length of just one track, and that will affect all tracks at a time (but you still can make some of them shorter if you feel like).

ALSO, to ensure no double-trig on first step / occuring at all, we can use some clever maths and calculate the integers. Say, you set your master track A to 15 and don't want to mess with your kick drum pattern on track B, which would be offset on every even cycle and will likely ruin the groove (downbeat/upbeat shift occuring). At that, you want to be able to change the length of B without being ever visiting the double-trigger land again.

So what you do is this. You remember that maths is the Queen of All Sciences and think of the numbers, which, when you divide your master track value by, would leave you with whole numbers on completion of the whole operation. In case of 15 these numbers will be: 1, 3, 5, 10. If you set it to 12, you can choose between 1, 2, 3, 4, & 6 – all without shifting pattern when you go back to the previous value.

Hope that's helpful.

Cheers!

Dancing Star
solaris
hi mr. koala,
thanks for your reply.
not in front of modular now but I will follow your instruction later.

so if I understand correctly, the trick is to change the master track settings, set it to follow any of the tracks and leave it like that permanently.
then I'll be able to define arbitrary track lengths by pressing+holding the step I want to be the 1st and the step I want to be the last.
will try this later.

thank you.
dhoinjo
Quote:
Instead of changing master track length, set master track to be a specific track


radiokoala is right! The solution is indeed to set the master track to a specific track. I do that in every project so I never run into the double trig issue but had to dig a while before I found it. My mistake!
Jericho
One feature I'm missing on the eloquencer which I'm using all the time on the stillson hammer mk2:

You can't assign the CV inputs to certain steps of a track, or do I miss s.th. here? I love just to transpose some of the notes with a pressure points live. Currently the CV-ins seem to have an impact on every step of the assigned track. Would be ace if the CV assignment is part as a fourth option of the main functions of each track/step (CV, Gate, Gate length, ratchet) and not only part global options menu.

Apart from that I really enjoy the eloquencer so far. Live mode is fantastic.
Shuffle per track and glide would be an awesome update.
Muse FTW
Jericho wrote:
One feature I'm missing on the eloquencer which I'm using all the time on the stillson hammer mk2:

You can't assign the CV inputs to certain steps of a track, or do I miss s.th. here? I love just to transpose some of the notes with a pressure points live. Currently the CV-ins seem to have an impact on the every step of the assigned track. Would be ace if the CV assignment is part as a fourth option of the main functions of eacht track/step (CV, Gate, Gate length, ratchet) and not only part global options menu.

Apart from that I really enjoy the eloquencer so far. Live mode is fantastic.
Shuffle per track and glide would be an awesome update.


Oh yeah that would be a cool option to have.
dhoinjo
Quote:
Currently the CV-ins seem to have an impact on the every step of the assigned track.


it says so in the manual but there are still a few bugs in the transpose via cv. The sequens doesn't respond to the first two notes (C0 and C#0 if I'm not mistaken, not at my modular now). It transposes to the next notes but a quarter or a fifth higher than you'd expect them to transpose. Don't recall how it was exactly but not working properly at the moment. (at least not on my module). Eli said he would look at this for the next update.
radiokoala
Jericho wrote:
One feature I'm missing on the eloquencer which I'm using all the time on the stillson hammer mk2:

You can't assign the CV inputs to certain steps of a track, or do I miss s.th. here? I love just to transpose some of the notes with a pressure points live. Currently the CV-ins seem to have an impact on every step of the assigned track. Would be ace if the CV assignment is part as a fourth option of the main functions of each track/step (CV, Gate, Gate length, ratchet) and not only part global options menu.

Don't know how many modules you've got BUT:

Workaround would be using two tracks for what you want to do (one for the main melody, another for transposition) AND use a precision mixer to combine the two.

Likewise you'd be able to live-improvise with assigning certain steps of a track by enabling cv & gate linking of that track in options (i.e CV will be output only when there is a gate on a track) = when you use that track for CV transpose, you will be able to transpose some of the notes with a pressure points by disabling all the other — HOPEFULLY if CV voltage isn't always summed with a cv value on a step, even if gates are off. I hope it doesn't do that — at least with cv & gate linking, — and you'd be able to accomplish what you are wanting to do.

Hope it's clear?

Thx!
dhoinjo
Has anyone actually succeeded in trasposing accurately via cv? Does't seem to work as it should. Or I'm doing someting wrong...
radiokoala
dhoinjo wrote:
Has anyone actually succeeded in trasposing accurately via cv? Does't seem to work as it should. Or I'm doing someting wrong...

Make sure you are in chromatic mode first of all, or else your cv voltage + step value could jump in whole tones when you want to offset by semitone, depending on the note. (I.e if all your pattern contains is B's & E's and you are in C major, you'd probably be able to transpose by semitone to C's & F's which are part of the scale and simultaneously adjacent notes: i.e a semitone away. But your D's on the other hand won't jump to D#'s because there is no D# in a selected scale).

Again, HOPEFULLY this will be of help: at least I'd suggest to ensure you are in chromatic first, because I think quantization occurs post CV+step summing. I may be wrong, but just throwing it in in hope I'm not. smokin'

Thx.
dhoinjo
Quote:
Make sure you are in chromatic mode

I am
spend some time at it again (it was a while since I tried it and thought that I maybe had done something wrong because I just had the module 3 days the first time I tried). Cv add does all kinds of crazy. If you plug nothing into cv1 and set a track to "add cv", nothing happens. The moment you send cv in the lower registers (say C0 to C1) the eloquencer transposes but not accurately. I programmed c's on every step, no cv variation probability and range to 0 just to be sure and it transposes some steps sometimes by really small amounts almost semitones. If you go into the higher octaves, it becomes more accurately but in the lower registers it misses some notes. (G2 and G#2 are recognised as the same note for example, as if it quantises, but again: quantise is on chromatic). From C3 upwards, it trasposes by semitones. But here comes the strange part: If I unplug the cable from cv1, it still transposes up to an A. Have to turn off my rack to reset. Pretty sure this is a bug. Hope this will be fixed!
dhoinjo
Now that I am it: when I press start, the first step always gets repeated. Anyone else with the same problem? The next cycle it's gone. Always thought it was a bug inherent to this firmware but since I hear no one complaining, I thought I should check.
bitbin
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
direct cv recording would be useful for all sorts of reasons and contexts. For me, I'd use this to record outputs from a locked turing machine coming into elo via a quantiser, once it randomly finds something I like, and, quite obviously, I think, to provide a standard midi sequencer like workflow when attached to a keyboard such as a keystep, or anything via midi-cv converter.... also recording mods from just about anything, such as an lfo, or random source.


exactly!
couldn't agree more.


Absolutely - this is something I have requested directly to Winter Modular. For me, being able to capture the more erratic and interesting sequences from a Rene into the Eloquencer would be great
Brennanib
Just turned on my case today and the Eloquencer is frozen?

Anyone experience with this?

Possibly an update would fix? I've attached the photo of the screen help
Brennanib
Got it all worked out thanks to Elio for the help just needed to delete a few files on the sd card and I was good for the gig!!

Pictures and links
guestt
Any word on updates please?

It's been a while It's peanut butter jelly time!
enoughframes
Baddcr wrote:
Any word on updates please?

It's been a while It's peanut butter jelly time!


YES ! It took a while but we are betatesting the "Stepped LFO mode" and the "Quick Pattern Chain" mode. We love both modes It's peanut butter jelly time!

Before the end of the month! I promise !
Eloi
dhoinjo
SlayerBadger! we're not worthy applause It's peanut butter jelly time!
Muse FTW
enoughframes wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
Any word on updates please?

It's been a while It's peanut butter jelly time!


YES ! It took a while but we are betatesting the "Stepped LFO mode" and the "Quick Pattern Chain" mode. We love both modes It's peanut butter jelly time!

Before the end of the month! I promise !
Eloi


thumbs up thumbs up
dykehouse
Do you need any more beta testers?
Daisuk
enoughframes wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
Any word on updates please?

It's been a while It's peanut butter jelly time!


YES ! It took a while but we are betatesting the "Stepped LFO mode" and the "Quick Pattern Chain" mode. We love both modes It's peanut butter jelly time!

Before the end of the month! I promise !
Eloi


Any update on mutes saving with patterns? Mr. Green
tauburn
I'm interested in this sequencer but im nervous about the single encoder to dial everything in. i'm currently using yarns with a digitakt and that's the main issue with that setup i have besides the lack of ratcheting. Can anyone comment on that? I'm basically torn between the ease of sliders on the SHMK2 and the sheer amount of channels this thing has. I considered the Varigate8+VB combo, but those two seem pointless compared to this especially when considering the price and HP difference.
Muse FTW
tauburn wrote:
I'm interested in this sequencer but im nervous about the single encoder to dial everything in. i'm currently using yarns with a digitakt and that's the main issue with that setup i have besides the lack of ratcheting. Can anyone comment on that? I'm basically torn between the ease of sliders on the SHMK2 and the sheer amount of channels this thing has. I considered the Varigate8+VB combo, but those two seem pointless compared to this especially when considering the price and HP difference.


It's not the fastest thing to program but the one-knob system works pretty well for this module. Immediacy is not the Eloquencer's strongsuit, but the depth of the sequencing and sheer number of options/outputs are hard to beat (even for the large footprint).

For my current setup, immediacy is a little more important. Ansible does most of the heavy lifting for me when I'm not using the Eloquencer and don't need those 8 channels, but the V8+VB combo is excellent too (I tend to use the VB more for modulating other modules than providing pitch CV).
Audiodog
tauburn wrote:
I'm interested in this sequencer but im nervous about the single encoder to dial everything in. i'm currently using yarns with a digitakt and that's the main issue with that setup i have besides the lack of ratcheting. Can anyone comment on that? I'm basically torn between the ease of sliders on the SHMK2 and the sheer amount of channels this thing has. I considered the Varigate8+VB combo, but those two seem pointless compared to this especially when considering the price and HP difference.


Well put. I am in exactly the same position. I love the idea of this sequencer but it feels a little like stepping back to the old synth days where sequencing was not much fun because it was mainly menu diving.

Would love to hear from real users and what your experience has been?
amop
It’s not as fun as René (which is my favorite sequencer) but I use it with my portable case because it packs so much in its space. Not really a power user here, still learning to fully exploit probabilities, shifting, etc, but glad I’ve got it. No regrets
dhoinjo
Quote:
It’s not as fun as René


I sold my Rene after I bought the Eloquencer to make room hihi

It is not the most direct sequencer you will meet but it's packed with possibilities. And the probability and random modes make it a killer sequencer imho.

The menu diving is not such a big issue I think. Half of it is hands on and there is a second layer which is easy accessible. It's not as versatile for live use as a rene or a metropolis but it has 8 tracks instead of one.
Multi Grooves
Audiodog wrote:
tauburn wrote:
I'm interested in this sequencer but im nervous about the single encoder to dial everything in. i'm currently using yarns with a digitakt and that's the main issue with that setup i have besides the lack of ratcheting. Can anyone comment on that? I'm basically torn between the ease of sliders on the SHMK2 and the sheer amount of channels this thing has. I considered the Varigate8+VB combo, but those two seem pointless compared to this especially when considering the price and HP difference.


Well put. I am in exactly the same position. I love the idea of this sequencer but it feels a little like stepping back to the old synth days where sequencing was not much fun because it was mainly menu diving.

Would love to hear from real users and what your experience has been?



Maybe I need to go through the manual again ( it has been a long while I used it) but I wished the live Rec modes were easier to use for creating patterns to be chained...Especially when it comes to editing the live recorded bits captured. It just feels clunky atm
mark_snipz
I'm thinking of moving on my beloved Touch Sequencer for one of these, however I'd just like confirmation on the following: can indivdual stage gate length be changed whilst using an external clock?
Audiodog
amop wrote:
It’s not as fun as René (which is my favorite sequencer) but I use it with my portable case because it packs so much in its space. Not really a power user here, still learning to fully exploit probabilities, shifting, etc, but glad I’ve got it. No regrets


Good to hear - i think i'll probably give it a go.

I know there has been a lot of discussion on Eloquencer Vs Stillson Mkii. Anyone actually had direct experience of the pair? What would be your judgement/observations?

thx all
Pdm1138
Any updates on availability of the 3rd run in the U.S.? One retailer lists "late Feb/Early March." Wonder if this is still accurate?
Audiodog
Agreed - would love to get an update on the next deliveries pls
dhoinjo
You can always ask Eloi himself on Facebook on the Wintermodular page. He's very responsive.
dhoinjo
update coming soon according to the FB page...

https://www.facebook.com/miguel.eedl/posts/10156234921348734

It's peanut butter jelly time!
Skumrask
mark_snipz wrote:
I'm thinking of moving on my beloved Touch Sequencer for one of these, however I'd just like confirmation on the following: can indivdual stage gate length be changed whilst using an external clock?

Yes, I do it all the time. Being able to set both start and end point really opens up possibilities. Keep two rests next to each other and you can always cycle between them for a moment of silence. A 16 step sequence with a few different parts and probabilities can provide loads of variation if you play a few notes at a time.
SonicVoltage
LFO Tracks, a new feature in the upcoming Eloquencer Firmware

here I am simply using one Square LFO to change the Release paramter on an Erica Synths Pico Voice - The LFO set to Cycle on 1 Pattern Length



Here, next video, I use 4 LFO Tracks
Winter Modular Eloquencer Tracks A, B, C, D ‘CV Outs’ as LFO Tracks to modulate 3 parameters on the AJH Synth Mega-Phase 12 (Emphasis, Depth and FCV 2)
and modulate 1 parameter on the Erica Synths Pico DSP Reverb (Snare Reverb Tone)

Note when you use a Track for LFO, you still have the Gate out on that same track available as independent Gate... so I used Track A and B Gate Outs for kick and Snare on Mutable Instruments Peaks.
dhoinjo
It's peanut butter jelly time! SlayerBadger! Rockin' Banana!

can't wait!!!
Southfork
Amazing! Funny this appeared here before the FB winter modular page Rockin' Banana!
vibralux
Soooo - where is it??? I was actually dreaming about it few hours ago.
Southfork
Please delete
dhoinjo
Quote:
My Eloquencer has suddenly started booting up saying 'NO SD CARD' and i can't load or save presets and none of the scales are loading. Has anyone experienced this / have a solution? I didn't remove or edit the SD card.


Have you tried asking Eloi at the Wintermodular FB page? He's usually very quick to respond.
Southfork
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
My Eloquencer has suddenly started booting up saying 'NO SD CARD' and i can't load or save presets and none of the scales are loading. Has anyone experienced this / have a solution? I didn't remove or edit the SD card.


Have you tried asking Eloi at the Wintermodular FB page? He's usually very quick to respond.


It started working again. Somehow it got blitzed and i got worried because the tuning wasn't working. I reloaded the default tuning and now its ok It's peanut butter jelly time!
dhoinjo
Good to hear. Haven't experienced this glitch but there are definitely still some bugs creeping around in that firmware. Hope the new one gets here soon...
enoughframes
Hi !! Sorry for the delay! The new 1.2.0 eloquencer sofware is here!! Stepped LFO, quick pattern chain, some other new stuff and many fixes!
No manual yet, but info can be found in the release notes.
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER
Audiodog
Good news on the firmware!
Any news on when new units are being sent to retailers? mine is on order in US but no ETA yet...
dhoinjo
It's peanut butter jelly time! applause applause applause
enoughframes
Audiodog wrote:
Good news on the firmware!
Any news on when new units are being sent to retailers? mine is on order in US but no ETA yet...


We will start sending next week in PO order!
Wick
enoughframes wrote:
Audiodog wrote:
Good news on the firmware!
Any news on when new units are being sent to retailers? mine is on order in US but no ETA yet...


We will start sending next week in PO order!


nice cant wait
enoughframes
Hi everybody,
We have opened our webshop, so there are some eloquencers available that will be sent at the end of the week.
Cheers !
Eloi
dhoinjo
w00t
solaris
I can't perform the update, the app gives me an error mesage.
btw what port am I supposed to use / what's its name?
the available ports that I see are as follows:
- cu.T700-SerialPort1
- cu.SerialPort
- cu.Bluetooth-incoming
- some iphone
- some usb modem

using macos.

any help is appreciated.

EDIT: updated successfully using the MODEM port.
wingcommander
I used the USB modem option. Alos, some cables seem to work better than others.
monads
solaris wrote:
I can't perform the update, the app gives me an error mesage.
btw what port am I supposed to use / what's its name?
the available ports that I see are as follows:
- cu.T700-SerialPort1
- cu.SerialPort
- cu.Bluetooth-incoming
- some iphone
- some usb modem

using macos.

any help is appreciated.


Unplugging all USB devices helps eliminate options. On my MAC OS it came up as FTDI Serial or something if I remember and the update went off smoothly!!! From the list above it's definitely not the Bluetooth, iphone options!
Torn n Frayed
They currently have some available @ the WM shop!!! sad banana
monads
wingcommander wrote:
I used the USB modem option. Alos, some cables seem to work better than others.


This worked? hmmm..... Seems like a strange selection option, it wasn't an option when I performed the update on my Elo.
wingcommander
Yes, it worked. I only had two options, the Bluetooth one and the modem. When I started the upgrade app the only option was Bluetooth. I changed cables and a different port and the modem option popped and bingo. On a Mac as well and using a powere hub.
solaris
hej @monads & @wingcommander,
thx for the hints.
fwiw I have nothing else plugged into the usb ports besides the cable going to the eloquencer.
will retry in a moment using the modem option.
enoughframes
in macOS it is recognized as a USBmodem as monads and wingcommander say.
Many people had problems with the cable. try to change it
enoughframes
in windows it is COMX, where X is a number
solaris
ok, I succeeded by using the modem option - I wouldn't had thought it was that one.
thx for your help.

additional unrelated question:

is it possible to PAUSE+RESUME play instead of STOP + RESTART from beginning of the pattern?
dhoinjo
Mine also worked with the USBmodem port. One question: the screen now says:

Eloquencer status
FW: v_1_2_0
SD card: ok
CV out: def. tune ok
cv tune in: ok
zero gap: not found

what does that "zero gap" mean?
sendepause
Aaaaaah...this is such a great update!

Love the quick pattern chain mode.
Thanx Richard for this input, thanx Eloi for picking this up!
dhoinjo
Quote:
zero gap: not found

what does that "zero gap" mean?


got a response from Eloi on FB. For the sake of documentation:

Go to tune
Options > tune
Zero gap tune
Put physical rear switch at -5 +5 position
Disconnect cables in cv in 1 & 2
And press encoder
monads
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
zero gap: not found

what does that "zero gap" mean?


got a response from Eloi on FB. For the sake of documentation:

Go to tune
Options > tune
Zero gap tune
Put physical rear switch at -5 +5 position
Disconnect cables in cv in 1 & 2
And press encoder


This is the calibration procedure for those with units from batch 1 (batch is identified by the first digit of the serial# beside the power connector on back of the module). Batch 2 users (and forward) do not need to perform this, and the "Zero Gap" should display "Ok" after the update.
dhoinjo
Quote:
Batch 2 users (and forward) do not need to perform this, and the "Zero Gap" should display "Ok" after the update.


Mine was batch 2. The zero gap displayed "not found"

edit: I bought it as second batch but it says version 1.1 on the back so I guess it was a batch one with the second edition of the firmware on it. Do I need to do other calibration as well?
dhoinjo
So I corrected the zero gap setting. It now says "zero gap ok" when I power up. But the other part of the calibration won't work. From the manual:

Quote:
To test the tuning :
1. Go to MUTE and make sure that all channels are unmuted.
2. Go to OPTIONS > CV 1 assign > MUTE BIN
3. Go to. “tracks” assign and choose all the tracks.


I can't assign tracks in the tracks menu. When I select tracks and turn the encoder, nothing changes (all underscores)

tips?
dhoinjo
just checked: can't choose any tracks in any of the cv menus
switches on the back both at -/+5v

Edit: turns out you have to push the track buttons and not select by the encoder. Fixed!
Jericho
Just a quick note on the firmware update. I ran into a problem during the update process. The eloquencer failed to update and didn't boot up any more. Changing the microusb cable did the trick.
Big thanks to wintermodular. The guy responded immediately and helped to track down the problem.
enoughframes
I thought all USB cables were the same, but some users are experiencing problems with the update that are solved changing the cable. So if the updater doesn't recognize your eloquencer try to change the cable.
radiokoala
Here's a couple of expert tips / patch ideas for 1.2.0 FIRMWARE:

1. Random Transpose every n bars. There is a very cool random setting, TIME, which determines how often the random value is changed. Patch the LFO track to CV in, using ‘CV key add’ setting, and now you are able to transpose your track(s) every n bars without having to touch anything! (Wow magic). Change amplitude to taste to set range of transposition.

2. Get funky with your LFO’s. There is a new CV input destination, RST LFO. Likewise, you can get all sorts of crazy with cross-modulating several LFO’s that reset each other or (I like this one) randomly reset your LFO(s) by setting the controller track to TYPE: RANDOM; TIME: 1/2 STEP. (You can use other cycle times as well, but this yields most immediate results!)

3. Transpose your sequences controllably. If the first patch is a little bit too generative music-suited for your taste, being less-than-predictable and all, there is a way to put transpose under control and set desired intervals. (This will also work in firmwares earlier than 1.2.0). For this, you have to set STEP MODE of a controller track to DIV /8 — like this, every two steps would be equal in length to a bar / pattern (16). Hold, for example, steps 5-8 and rotate the encoder to set the desired interval — given that your track length here is 8, you would transpose your lead line every two bars to n semitones above. And, with track length = 16, after programming steps 9-16 to be anything but 0V, you would have the same result, but with your ‘Key’ changing every four bars instead of two. I think it could be quite nice for composing music with modular, to fight repetitiveness.

4. Quick triplets. One of my favorite things: select & hold a track in ratchet mode and turn encoder down — this will quickly change the ratcheting type from ‘no ratchet’ on all steps to triplet. Turning down & up again would result in quick Fill / drum roll sort of thing.

5. Approach random differently. If you ever felt that programming random pitch/cv sequences was tiresome, to the rescue comes random LFO waveform (again). At one hand it seems this is a simpler — and less controllable — random than you'd get with being able to set variation and probability ranges in cv mode, but the good thing is, it takes less steps to get a quick s&h type sequence up and running, if this is what you are after. It is also more straightforward in sense: when you see you have a random LFO active, it takes less time to see what's going on than finding out which track is which by looking up their random probability pages on a screen.

On the other hand, random LFO mode even has its advantages over CV random:

- a) you can transpose your whole track down by using offset. impossible with pitch CV’s that start from 0V up. useful for tuning down oscillators (and always being able to go back to the original pitch; if you've ever regretted moving the coarse control, you know it's a bonus!)
- b) you can set the speed of your track at crazy slow: whereas the max divisor can be set to /8 for pitch sequences in step mode edit, here you can have it as long as 32 bars = DIV /480 !!! BOOM!
- c) twice the speed as well: set time to 1/2 step.
- d) while you have no per-step variation range, it is very easy to set overall variation range by changing the amplitude control. unlike CV random, you can tell what the number is in volts, which is useful.

6. Mix Your LFO’s With Pitch Sequences!! Yeah right, if you don’t care what the elders have to say, you can put on your madness suit and use sequencer as a mixer... just because you can, right?!

How you approach it is this: activate LFO on a track, send the CV out to CV in (‘CV add’ in Options is your friend, and choose the destination tracks). Up next, turn on another LFO at a different rate, send it to CV2, and... why don't we sum it with the same track(s) now?.. See, it's how we send three various signals to the same V/Oct input of our ultra-budget oscillator that doesn't even have FM in! This is fun!

7/ Improve your workflow. How would you go about activating four LFO’s on tracks E-H, normally? Select track - press encoder - rotate - press encoder again - select track? Yeah, me too. (Until yesterday).

The thing is, when you have selected the option (entered the menu), you can change the track and stay in the same menu, meaning you can control parameters of your sequencer like a bo$$. (Warning: your classmates may get envious at your effortless manipulations with a modular system that add to your popularity among ripe women! Lisa Simpson) Like this, the whole algorithm becomes: Select - press - turn - select - turn - select - turn - select - turn - press = UNBELIEVABLE 10 steps to achieve what others were able to in at least sixteen! Much wow. Like, you're REALLY good.

D i s c l a i m e r : I can't give 100% guarantee the following is held true for all other menus, but everything is possible. Might work for changing the scale GRP in Pattern mode for multiple patterns: by all means, TRY THIS AT HOME.

Cheers!

The Agonizer!
beliefsystemrecords
I don't understand how shuffle works. If i add shuffle it also shuffles the clock out.. it makes the eloquencer completely unusable as a master clock. if i run the eloquencer as a slave shuffle doesnt work. is there a way to use shuffle and still have a straight clock output at the clock patch point?

can i apply shuffle to lets say only track 2 or is shuffle always global?
dhoinjo
thanks radiokoala!
will try these later for sure... thumbs up
dhoinjo
A lot has been said on this issue but I'm still trying to figure out how to sync the EQ steady to Ableton. very frustrating

If I press play in Ableton, the EQ starts from the point it stopped, not from the beginning.
If I try to solve this and pres stop I'm back at the beginning of the pattern. But in order to run the EQ when I press play on Ableton, it needs to be in play mode first. So I press play (the EQ wont move forward before I press play in Ableton.) BUT. When I press play on the EQ to have it in play mode before I press play in Ableton, it already plays the first step, and when I press play in Ableton, the pattern moves to the second step and the EQ is one step before Ableton's clock.

Anybody has got a solution for this?

Or would it be possible to implement start/stop as cv signal? Or an option always start from beginning or resume where stopped (when I push start manually, it always starts from the beginning, there is no pause, which can also be annoying)
Audiodog
Any updates on when Eloquencer is shipping to US retailers?
Daisuk
dhoinjo wrote:
A lot has been said on this issue but I'm still trying to figure out how to sync the EQ steady to Ableton. very frustrating

If I press play in Ableton, the EQ starts from the point it stopped, not from the beginning.
If I try to solve this and pres stop I'm back at the beginning of the pattern. But in order to run the EQ when I press play on Ableton, it needs to be in play mode first. So I press play (the EQ wont move forward before I press play in Ableton.) BUT. When I press play on the EQ to have it in play mode before I press play in Ableton, it already plays the first step, and when I press play in Ableton, the pattern moves to the second step and the EQ is one step before Ableton's clock.

Anybody has got a solution for this?

Or would it be possible to implement start/stop as cv signal? Or an option always start from beginning or resume where stopped (when I push start manually, it always starts from the beginning, there is no pause, which can also be annoying)


How do you sync Eloquencer to Live? You need to send a reset signal somehow from Ableton Live to Eloquencer's reset input. I'm syncing Live with Eloquencer through an Expert Sleepers ES-3 with no issues (one output from ES-3 is a clock output, a second is a reset output).
dhoinjo
Quote:
How do you sync Eloquencer to Live? You need to send a reset signal somehow from Ableton Live to Eloquencer's reset input. I'm syncing Live with Eloquencer through an Expert Sleepers ES-3 with no issues (one output from ES-3 is a clock output, a second is a reset output).


currently I'm using a yarns. Have an ES8 as well but use a yarns so that I'd have the opportunity to clock it from my rytm as well. Yarns can send start signals as well. Will try that later today. Thanks!
sendepause
radiokoala wrote:
Here's a couple of expert tips / patch ideas for 1.2.0 FIRMWARE:



...dude....

we're not worthy SlayerBadger!
Jaypee
beliefsystemrecords wrote:
I don't understand how shuffle works. If i add shuffle it also shuffles the clock out.. it makes the eloquencer completely unusable as a master clock. if i run the eloquencer as a slave shuffle doesnt work. is there a way to use shuffle and still have a straight clock output at the clock patch point?

can i apply shuffle to lets say only track 2 or is shuffle always global?



See my posts in this thread mate.
glassofwater
Yo, two questions:

1) If I wanna use track 1 for example to trigger my Tiptop 909 bass drum, how do I use gate out and accent out instead of cv and gate out?

2) To update the firmware, do I have to connect the Eloquencer to my comp via USB, or can I somehow upgrade by putting the new firmware on the SD-card?

Thanks! smile
Daisuk
glassofwater wrote:
Yo, two questions:

1) If I wanna use track 1 for example to trigger my Tiptop 909 bass drum, how do I use gate out and accent out instead of cv and gate out?

2) To update the firmware, do I have to connect the Eloquencer to my comp via USB, or can I somehow upgrade by putting the new firmware on the SD-card?

Thanks! smile


Cv out just sets a CV level, you know? So just plug it into a vca or a accent in or whatever and adjust the level per step as you wish. You don't need to enter a special mode or anything to do that.

You need to plug it into a computer through USB. smile
dhoinjo
Quote:

glassofwater wrote:
Yo, two questions:

1) If I wanna use track 1 for example to trigger my Tiptop 909 bass drum, how do I use gate out and accent out instead of cv and gate out?

2) To update the firmware, do I have to connect the Eloquencer to my comp via USB, or can I somehow upgrade by putting the new firmware on the SD-card?

Thanks! smile


Cv out just sets a CV level, you know? So just plug it into a vca or a accent in or whatever and adjust the level per step as you wish. You don't need to enter a special mode or anything to do that.

You need to plug it into a computer through USB. smile



Or you could use the auxiliary output for the accents. From the manual:
Quote:

Aux
An auxiliary trigger/gate output that can be configured with different functionalities, e.g. accent out, end of cycle (EOC) or reset external sequencers...
Gate: You can output gates using a 16 step sequencer (works like an auxiliary track independent from the other 8 tracks). Can be used for e.g. for accent out, end of cycle (EOC), alternative clock...

fylthymcnasty
A question solely on the subject of aesthetics... is a silver face on the horizon?

Modular Grid - Silver Eloquencer

Instagram - Silver Eloquencer
racooniac
since yesterday i am now a proud family member of the eloquencer userbase and have to say: nice piece of equipment you've made there sir!

if i miss one single thing on this machine it is a few more probability options to enable us to program much more complex sounding patterns in a controlled way in addition to the percent-chances we have.

as an further explanation what i mean with this i quote a passage out of the manual of my favorite sequencer that can already do this here:

Quote:
1ST is true the first time the pattern plays (when looped).
___
1ST
is true when 1ST is false.
A trig with this trig condition is always active apart from the first time the pattern plays (when looped).

X% is a probability condition.
There is an x% chance that the trig will be active.

A:B
A sets how many times the pattern plays.
B sets how many times the pattern plays before the count is reset and starts over again.
This cycle then repeats indefinitely.

For example:
With the setting 1:2, the trig condition is true the first time the pattern plays and then the third, the fifth, and so on.
With the setting 2:2, the trig condition is true the second time the pattern plays and then the fourth, the sixth, and so on.
With the setting 2:4, the trig condition is true the second time the pattern plays and then the sixth, the tenth, and so on.
With the setting 4:7 the trig condition is true the fourth time the pattern plays and then the eleventh, the eighteenth, and so on.


this way the existing 16 steps could be programmed to function as a 32 or 64 step pattern and it would imho greatly expand the possible complexity of patterns one could program into it.

this feature seems not so hard to implement given that the X% feature is alread in there.

and i am sure a lot of people would love the added possibilities in pattern complexity wink
StateAzure
I'm really considering the Eloquencer for a future rack.

Anyone here used Elektron gear that can chime in on workflow comparison between them? I currently use the Digitakt to sequence some of my euro voices, and wondering if I would transition well to the Eloquencer..is the speed of programming sequences as fast?
Skumrask
Quote:
"this way the existing 16 steps could be programmed to function as a 32 or 64 step pattern and it would imho greatly expand the possible complexity of patterns one could program into it.


How would this change the user interface and part/pattern structure?[/quote]

Quote:
yone here used Elektron gear that can chime in on workflow comparison between them? I currently use the Digitakt to sequence some of my euro voices, and wondering if I would transition well to the Eloquencer..is the speed of programming sequences as fast?


Please write something about how much alike you find them. I don't know much about the Elektron family but it would be interesting to know if the Eloquencer helps ease[/quote] the learning curve.
racooniac
Skumrask wrote:
How would this change the user interface and part/pattern structure?


the part/pattern structure would be left untouched, it think the best option would be to just add it as more options into the gate probability menue past 100% like it has been done in the digitakt (from which manual i copied the description i quoted, page 38 xD)
dhoinjo
Quote:
Anyone here used Elektron gear that can chime in on workflow comparison between them? I currently use the Digitakt to sequence some of my euro voices, and wondering if I would transition well to the Eloquencer..is the speed of programming sequences as fast?


I own an OT and a Rytm. The speed of programming can be as fast as any Elektron device if you get used to is, certainly with the new pattern chaining shortcut. There aren't as many parameters on the EQ compared to Elektron devices which you can modify so I guess it's faster.

Quote:

Please write something about how much alike you find them. I don't know much about the Elektron family but it would be interesting to know if the Eloquencer helps ease the learning curve.


as racooniac pointed out: there are some probability possibilities (try saying that fast for 10 times) but not as deep as with Elektron sequencers. I doubt if it would ease the learning curve as Elektron devices really have a logic and structure of their own. But once you know one, the next one goes really much faster.
radiokoala
It is already possible to “program existing 16 steps to function as a 32 or 64 step pattern”.

1. Create a pattern.
2. Press Func+Duplicate (long press) three times. Make sure, while in Pattern menu, that three adjacent pattern slots are empty. Your pattern will be copied there.
3. In Pattern menu press & hold step buttons that correspond to that group of patterns. While holding, rotate the encoder to change the order these will cycle. Apart from Forward, Backward etc, there are Random, Coin Toss, and Drunken modes, so effectively you can program chains that go beyond 64 steps as in this example, to something like ∞ and above.
4. To emulate 1ST behavior add some gate events while editing first pattern. For -1ST – deactivate some. For A:B kind of action use maths (™) and edit patterns manually to achieve nearly identical or similar (depending on integer) results. To create the condition under which there will be probabilistic events only on each second time the pattern plays (like 1:2 in a provided example), edit the second pattern to program these and then Fn+copy/paste it into the fourth slot. And now, for another example, 2:4 – if you want to enable probability each second, sixth, and tenth time the pattern plays, you have to duplicate your pattern eleven times (which can be done in just about 10 seconds, by the way) and then edit patterns A2, A6, A10 accordingly – or copy/paste. Then activate quick pattern chain again for this group of (12) patterns.

In this manner, it is easy to quickly program up to 256-step long sequence, where each of its steps and probability events for that step can be programmed i n d i v i d u a l l y . Up next, since racooniac did mention some people would appreciate “the added possibilities in pattern complexity”, I’ll take us back to the step 3 of the algorithm – and, – for the sake of everyone who thinks plain 256-step sequences are too vanilla.. smile – will point out the fact there is a setting to change the cycling order. In case one’s lucky enough with their random, 1,000,000-step loops may be well within their reach!.. w00t

TL;DR – if you want to spice up your patterns and go beyond basic 16 or 32-step sequences, experiment with Cycle Order setting in Quick Pattern Chain.

Thx.

Enjoy the show!
nmveld
Hi Eloi,

I am thinking of getting a Eloquencer but I have a couple of questions:

1. I can't seem to find anything about a glide (per step) function in the manual. Is there a glide function? And if not will it be possible in a future update?

2. Does the unlinking of the CV and Gate mean that you can create two separate patterns per channel? One for gate and one for CV? I guess the CV is outputting per step even without a gate present on that step?

3. Is there a way to preview notes when creating a pattern? I have a Malekko voltage block now that does this by holding down the step and moving the slider. The shitty thing is with the VB is that all the sequences of the VB jump to that step instead of just the sequence you want to edit. This is basically why I want to get an Eloquencer and sell my V8+ and VB. The Eloquencer seems to be much nicer in a live situation.

Thanks!
dhoinjo
If you want to talk to Eloi directly, you better try to chat with him on the wintermodular FB-page. He's very responsive. To answer your questions:

Quote:
Is there a glide function? And if not will it be possible in a future update?


I've asked him the same thing. He said implementing glide would be very heavy on cpu and that it probably wouldn't be implemented for that reason. You can always use a slew limiter of course.

Quote:
2. Does the unlinking of the CV and Gate mean that you can create two separate patterns per channel? One for gate and one for CV?


No not really. If you assign an lfo to a track however, you can still use the gates separately on that track.

Quote:
Is there a way to preview notes when creating a pattern?


yes you can. Just go to the pattern you want to edit, press the note and you can see the value on the screen.

There is plenty more info in the manual...
StateAzure
dhoinjo wrote:


Quote:
Is there a way to preview notes when creating a pattern?


yes you can. Just go to the pattern you want to edit, press the note and you can see the value on the screen.

There is plenty more info in the manual...


I may be wrong, but I think he may be asking if there's an audio preview rather than visual? I'm curious about that too, it's really nice to hear the immediate feedback from the VB when setting notes.
dhoinjo
StateAzure wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:


Quote:
Is there a way to preview notes when creating a pattern?


yes you can. Just go to the pattern you want to edit, press the note and you can see the value on the screen.

There is plenty more info in the manual...


I may be wrong, but I think he may be asking if there's an audio preview rather than visual? I'm curious about that too, it's really nice to hear the immediate feedback from the VB when setting notes.


there is no audio preview. At least not in this firmware. There is however a live play mode which you can use to hear what the note sounds like. You can play the vco you are sending cv and gates to with a little keyboard in live mode. Don't know if that would help?
nmveld
dhoinjo wrote:
If you want to talk to Eloi directly, you better try to chat with him on the wintermodular FB-page. He's very responsive. To answer your questions:

Quote:
Is there a glide function? And if not will it be possible in a future update?


I've asked him the same thing. He said implementing glide would be very heavy on cpu and that it probably wouldn't be implemented for that reason. You can always use a slew limiter of course.

Quote:
2. Does the unlinking of the CV and Gate mean that you can create two separate patterns per channel? One for gate and one for CV?


No not really. If you assign an lfo to a track however, you can still use the gates separately on that track.

Quote:
Is there a way to preview notes when creating a pattern?


yes you can. Just go to the pattern you want to edit, press the note and you can see the value on the screen.

There is plenty more info in the manual...


Thanks! I got rid of FB otherwise I would’ve contactes Eloi there. The thing I meant with the note preview is not only a visual one but also an audible one. Instead of waiting for the sequence to come around, holding the step so you output a constant voltage (corresponding to the note).
dhoinjo
I think our posts crossed. I answered it about the same time I think hihi
StateAzure
dhoinjo wrote:
I own an OT and a Rytm. The speed of programming can be as fast as any Elektron device if you get used to is, certainly with the new pattern chaining shortcut. There aren't as many parameters on the EQ compared to Elektron devices which you can modify so I guess it's faster.


That's good to hear, thanks!

I'm seriously thinking of losing my Ansible + Grid 128 for this, sure Grid looks sexy and is really fun to program, but I don't think I would lose much in terms of features..seems I would gain a whole lot more.
StateAzure
dhoinjo wrote:

there is no audio preview. At least not in this firmware. There is however a live play mode which you can use to hear what the note sounds like. You can play the vco you are sending cv and gates to with a little keyboard in live mode. Don't know if that would help?


Ok, that's pretty neat as that's how I prefer to program sequences on my Digitakt a lot of the time, in live mode! Very cool!
nmveld
dhoinjo wrote:
I think our posts crossed. I answered it about the same time I think hihi


Haha I see, thanks!
neubauer
Hi, I have just bought an eloquencer but I don't achieve to play with the start button. I have filled cv's and gates but when i push start nothing happens.
Skumrask
Quote:
Hi, I have just bought an eloquencer but I don't achieve to play with the start button. I have filled cv's and gates but when i push start nothing happens.

Check the tempo menu and enable internal tempo.
neubauer
Thanks, that was the problem. Now the gates are working but not CV pitch.

I have changed the pitches for each step gated but the pitch is always the same.
dhoinjo
Quote:
I have changed the pitches for each step gated but the pitch is always the same.


what scale are you in?
neubauer
scale C1

I have also loaded the default tune following the manufacturer instructions

No changes in CV pitch :(
neubauer
In free mode whatever key pushed the same pitch
dhoinjo
have you tried contacting Wintermodular on FB or by mail? They are usually very quick to help.
neubauer
I contacted him by FB and he told me to load the default tune but it didn't work. He answered immediately and tried to help me.

I decided to update the firmware that was 1.0.10 and updated to 1.2 and now it works.
denuir
Have the Perfect Circuit Audio March orders already gone out?
thewizmusic
No March orders have not gone out its looking like end of March from what they were telling me. Last week of March. It keeps being push back.
Diabolik!
i know its apples and oranges, but i've been getting really bored with my Rene and have been looking at replacing it with this. any thoughts?
denuir
Thanks, wiz. I’m not even sure my order will be fulfilled by the March shipment. We’ll see.
thewizmusic
Same here man! I know how you feel! It is looking a bit better because ctrl-mod just send out an update of stock and they were advertising Eloquencer so maybe the shops are getting stock finally.
BlackMarbleFelix
I indeed just got one from control. It arrived at the shop yesterday
dhoinjo
Quote:
i've been getting really bored with my Rene and have been looking at replacing it with this. any thoughts?


In terms of versatility, the EQ wins without a doubt. So much more possibilities. In terms of hands on manipulating a set sequence, the rene is better. But it has only one sequence. (not counting the 4 slots for storing cv values).
The EQ has 8 tracks, pattern chaining, ratcheting, variable gate length, probability trigs, quantized cv, 128 slots pattern memory, song mode etc. You are right, apples and oranges. But I sold my rene to make room for the EQ and didn't regret it for a minute.
revoltcrews
hi,
my eloquencer, latest firmware, sd card is saying :
-Failed,
-No deflt tune
etc..
CV outputs NOT working

Gates are workinig fine

what files to delete or restore to get it back to normal ?
cheers
revoltcrews
revoltcrews wrote:
hi,
my eloquencer, latest firmware, sd card is saying :
-Failed,
-No deflt tune
etc..
CV outputs NOT working

Gates are workinig fine

what files to delete or restore to get it back to normal ?
cheers


fixed. I just deleted all the files *except what it says to back up in the manual.
CV outs working fine.
phinland
I *love* my EQ but I love my René too - as above, apples and oranges, but they do make a great fruit salad *together*. Think AND not OR.

I am holding out for the next EQ Firmware though: per track clock div/mult is surely a must? Eloi said this was in the pipeline, so I'm just being impatient! :-)
Southfork
phinland wrote:
I *love* my EQ but I love my René too - as above, apples and oranges, but they do make a great fruit salad *together*. Think AND not OR.

I am holding out for the next EQ Firmware though: per track clock div/mult is surely a must? Eloi said this was in the pipeline, so I'm just being impatient! :-)


Per track divide is possible already.
dhoinjo
phinland wrote:
I am holding out for the next EQ Firmware though: per track clock div/mult is surely a must? Eloi said this was in the pipeline, so I'm just being impatient! :-)


per track clock/div was already implemented in the previous firmware.
Just go to Step Mode, (de)select the track you want to change and go to clock div.
dhoinjo
oops. Didn't see you already replied Southfork! very frustrating
revoltcrews
Is there something that needs to happen before power down, like, saving a project or not saving anything, that would cause the sd card to randomly fail on power up after the sd card has already powered up successfully?

had to delete files again for the sd card to boot up properly again. it randomly "failed" again.

or is this a faulty sd card that came with this module ?

** and/or is there a downloadable file set to get an SD CARD back to default?
denuir
For current Eloquencer owners, what's a really good 4hp module to use in conjunction? My Eloquencer is on the way and I've got a 42hp skiff it's going into. Any recommendations?
Sleeepwalk
I’ve seen this mentioned a few times as a suggested addition but have they or will they add unquantized recording?

This is a big part of how I record and would like to get rid of my Digitakt and purchase one of these if it’s possible or will be possible
dhoinjo
Quote:
is this a faulty sd card that came with this module ?

Sounds like it is to me.
dhoinjo
Quote:

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times as a suggested addition but have they or will they add unquantized recording?

Don't think this is going to happen. I asked Eloi about possible slide impementation and he said that would use too much cpu. I imagine unquantized rec/ cv out is in the same category. But I could be wrong.
mecanikill
Has anything else been mentioned about the expander they were taking about putting out?
achida
do you think that live recording from cv input will never happen?
dhoinjo
Quote:
Has anything else been mentioned about the expander they were taking about putting out?

first thing I hear of it. An expander could be great. Do yo have a link to an article where they mention one?

Quote:
do you think that live recording from cv input will never happen?

I hope it will happen. But nothing so far...
phinland
dhoinjo wrote:
phinland wrote:
I am holding out for the next EQ Firmware though: per track clock div/mult is surely a must? Eloi said this was in the pipeline, so I'm just being impatient! :-)


per track clock/div was already implemented in the previous firmware.
Just go to Step Mode, (de)select the track you want to change and go to clock div.


Haha, I'm an *idiot*! Thanks for the tip (and Southfork)! :-)
achida
from the manul:

CV IN assigns 1 & 2:
(CV Quantized). The voltage of the CV INPUT will be quantized and sent to the chosen tracks CV
OUTPUTS. Regardless of what the current CV value of that step is, the CV INPUT will be expressed.

Anyone have tried this?
what that means?
S&H cv input to quantized pitch note on the trigger?
tnx
A
fjoesz
so you can transpose in same key? would be awesome
mine is coming tomorrow
mecanikill
[quote="dhoinjo"]
Quote:
Has anything else been mentioned about the expander they were taking about putting out?

first thing I hear of it. An expander could be great. Do yo have a link to an article where they mention one?

I could have sworn I read in a thread somewhere Eloi said they were thinking about making a expander for it.
Audiodog
Audiodog wrote:
Any updates on when Eloquencer is shipping to US retailers?


Received mine yesterday, let the learning commence...
jfb
Audiodog wrote:
Audiodog wrote:
Any updates on when Eloquencer is shipping to US retailers?


Received mine yesterday, let the learning commence...


Mine was also delivered yesterday. It's going to be a busy weekend. Have fun!
StateAzure
jfb wrote:
Audiodog wrote:
Audiodog wrote:
Any updates on when Eloquencer is shipping to US retailers?


Received mine yesterday, let the learning commence...


Mine was also delivered yesterday. It's going to be a busy weekend. Have fun!


Got mine yesterday too! So far I've found it surprisingly easy to program, it looked quite intimidating at first.
fjoesz
only thing is, probably mentioned before, that when you feed it clock the shuffle doesn't work anymore AAAH
maybe possible in future update?
dhoinjo
fjoesz wrote:
only thing is, probably mentioned before, that when you feed it clock the shuffle doesn't work anymore AAAH
maybe possible in future update?


as Jaypee mentioned in this thread already: you can feed the EQ a shuffled clock.
revoltcrews
quick update. Rad tech support from Winter Modular

new sd card (switched it out, had some in the desk)
and a few files and easy calibrations later. EQ is up and running like a sequencing champ.
jumped right in. super intuitive. complex. adaptable.
also, sequences my OB6 smooth as well (via addac222 CVtoMidi)

SlayerBadger! w00t screaming goo yo
dhoinjo
Quote:
Rad tech support from Winter Modular


yes Eloi is the man applause
Jericho
delete.
vibralux
Am I missing something or the "Freeze" function is not working properly under the new OS? I am doing the usual Function + Freeze combo for 1/2 sec and I am getting the "Not available" message

Any ideas?
vibralux
Please delete - all works now. Must be my butter fingers Dead Banana
revoltcrews
quick question.
so, i create 3 patterns.
I enter Pattern mode and Press 1 and then 3 to create a pattern chain.
Now, the Led is stepping through the patterns on the buttons
but the display is not changing to each pattern.
It's staying on the 1st pattern whilst pattern 2 & 3 play "behind the scenes"
How do i get the display to show each pattern in the chain again ?
fjoesz
when you connect cv and gate together the cv is too late if you want to mod the basimilus iteritas for instance
I actually have to delay the trigger to let the modulation be on time
when you deconnect cv and gate it works better, but anyway the whole modulation changes if you feed it a clock with 53% or more shuffle
do others experience the same?
radiokoala
revoltcrews
It doesn't do that.
You can long-press a pattern to select one to edit (or via Func + encoder turn).
Patterns change on display only when Song Mode is active afair.
dhoinjo
It would be rather inconvenient if you are editing a pattern and it keeps jumping to the cursor mark. The function+encoder is an elegant solution imho.
dhoinjo
Quote:
when you connect cv and gate together the cv is too late if you want to mod the basimilus iteritas for instance
indeed. Sometimes the gate is miliseconds earlier than the cv change. Can be a bit annoying. But I only have this problem with my BIA for some reason. With Plonk it works like a charm. Bit of a mystery to me.

Quote:
when you deconnect cv and gate it works better

what do you mean by this?
Audiodog
revoltcrews wrote:
quick update. Rad tech support from Winter Modular

new sd card (switched it out, had some in the desk)
and a few files and easy calibrations later. EQ is up and running like a sequencing champ.
jumped right in. super intuitive. complex. adaptable.
also, sequences my OB6 smooth as well (via addac222 CVtoMidi)

SlayerBadger! w00t screaming goo yo


Yes, i had similar problem. Eloi has confirmed that there may be an issue with SD cards for most recent batch (got mine last week). My EQ would not boot up, was totally unresponsive. Fortunately i had backed up the files and so i copied them to a new card and all now seems fine.

Recommend all to back up their SD card files

Question - had i not backed up the files, where would i have found the files? Are they generic in that the files could be posted on the Winter Module website or are they hardware specific and have to be generated somehow by the EQ?

Thx
glassofwater
fjoesz wrote:
when you connect cv and gate together the cv is too late if you want to mod the basimilus iteritas for instance
I actually have to delay the trigger to let the modulation be on time
when you deconnect cv and gate it works better, but anyway the whole modulation changes if you feed it a clock with 53% or more shuffle
do others experience the same?


Yeah, this also happens when I try to use the Tiptop 808 modules with accent.
revoltcrews
dhoinjo wrote:
It would be rather inconvenient if you are editing a pattern and it keeps jumping to the cursor mark. The function+encoder is an elegant solution imho.


hmm. i recall in previous sessions that the display would change with the current playing pattern. and then it stopped doing it.
i could swear this was happening. maybe i was imagining it
dhoinjo
Quote:
hmm. i recall in previous sessions that the display would change with the current playing pattern. and then it stopped doing it.
i could swear this was happening. maybe i was imagining it


Would be great to have that option for live use but as far as I know mine never did.
revoltcrews
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
hmm. i recall in previous sessions that the display would change with the current playing pattern. and then it stopped doing it.
i could swear this was happening. maybe i was imagining it


Would be great to have that option for live use but as far as I know mine never did.


indeed. just double checked. reckon it was never doing it. i totally imagined it i guess. i think i was confusing Track Shifting (my fav!) with display changing.
d'oh!
Audiodog
Probably a dumb question but I can’t figure it out and couldn’t see in the Manual.
How do I sync run / stop with a trigger from an external sequencer like a DAW. Is it possible?
Thx
Daisuk
Audiodog wrote:
Probably a dumb question but I can’t figure it out and couldn’t see in the Manual.
How do I sync run / stop with a trigger from an external sequencer like a DAW. Is it possible?
Thx


You need to set the Elo to "external clock" either in tempo or options, I can't remember which. Also, make sure that whatever you're using to clock the Elo can send a reset signal, and plug this into the reset in of the Elo. I clock from Ableton Live through an ES-3 module for instance, and I have one signal going into Elo's clock in, and one going into reset in.
Adore
nvm: solved it! (select pattern before copying. I thought it would assume to take the current pattern by default)
Daisuk
Adore wrote:
nvm: solved it! (select pattern before copying. I thought it would assume to take the current pattern by default)


You can use "duplicate" for that.
Adore
Jep, thanks figured that out right after.

The Cheat Sheet should come with the module - would save a lot of time for Winter Modular. Awesome beast though cool
Adore
Is it possible to live record a pattern larger than 16 steps?
dhoinjo
Adore wrote:
Is it possible to live record a pattern larger than 16 steps?


You can link up to 16 patterns of 16 steps and record live into that series of patterns.
technotourist
Hi,

Maybe someone can help me here, i have my EQ connected with an ES-8. I have the clock and reset in from the EQ connected to the ES-8. I have a click running from Ableton and a sequenced rimshot from the EQ running on the 1/4. When running a clock + reset from Reaktor i get a horrible 300ms (or so) delay as soon as a reset kicks in (the clock itself is extremely tight).
When i disconnect the reset cable and manually reset the EQ by pressing the play/stop button on the EQ the click and rimshot are perfectly playing together.
I am sure that it is not the ES-8, when i record something directly from an out to an in i see no delay at all. The delay is most definitely coming from the EQ.

Anyone here any tips on how to solve this? I can work with the manual reset but it would be nice if i could just do it properly from Reaktor.
dhoinjo
Have you tried running the reset and sync from Ablteton? Or don't you have Silent Way?
No experience with reaktor but ableton+sw+es8 syncs the EQ like a charm here. Having some latency issues with the ES8 running the audio back into Ableton but that is another problem...
JoeFuture
So my Eloquencer just did the locking up thing. I took the SD card out for the first time to back it up, stuck it in my Mac, copied the files off, ejected it properly, and put it back in the Elo. When I power on the Elo, it seems to go through bootup & says the card is OK, but now none of the buttons respond.

I've also tried copying the files onto a brand new SD card using a Windows machine to make sure there were no hidden spotlight or trash files. No luck.

I looked on the Winter Modular website and couldn't find any way to contact them for help. Anyone have a support email address?

Edit: I've reached out to them via their Facebook page and I'll post back here when we figure out a solution.
technotourist
dhoinjo wrote:
Have you tried running the reset and sync from Ablteton? Or don't you have Silent Way?


I don’t have Silent Way but I will give it a try, thanks.

edit: Yes, thanks! Silent Way is tight as hell. Problem solved!
JoeFuture
Here are the instructions I got from WM, in case this helps others:

"It seems that one of the configuration files gets corrupted. First thing you can do is put a blank SD card. If it works we will know that the problem is a corrupted file. Then the best way is to add the most important file the "def_tune.elo" (default CV out tuning) from the existing SD card. Then all the other files are automatically generated. You will only have to tune two parameters, "CV in tune" and "zero gap". It can be found in OPTIONS > TUNE then you have to follow the instructions ( more detailed information on how to tune this parameters can be found in the updater github page ( https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER ) If that works you can then copy the Projects that you have already create (called project_001.elo) and you will have your eloquencer as before."

I tried the first 2 steps, which have worked so far. I have buttons working again with both a blank SD card and with just the def_tune.elo file on it. I'll have to try the full calibration later, but this is a good sign!
dhoinjo
technotourist wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Have you tried running the reset and sync from Ablteton? Or don't you have Silent Way?


I don’t have Silent Way but I will give it a try, thanks.

edit: Yes, thanks! Silent Way is tight as hell. Problem solved!


No problem. Glad it wasn't your Eloquencer.

SW is indeed the perfect software to send cv via the ES8. Audulus also looks nice but haven't tried so far.
dhoinjo
JoeFuture wrote:
I'll have to try the full calibration later, but this is a good sign!


I did the calibration too after my firmware update. It was a pretty easy process. Good luck!
M4R71N
I just suggested a function to WM that could greatly enhance the RAND playability in live situation without workflow perturbations :

When in RAND MODE, possibility to Randomize the actual step by pressing the FILL button (for example but that one seem well indicated). The scrolling steps would be randomized till the button is released. 

It would allow to gradually making evolve the patterns by randomizing little sections of em. 
solaris
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Robota
Hi there,

for those who know, I would like to understand how the Eloquencer compare to the ER-101 / ER-102 in terme of control power.
I know after watching some videos that the ER-101 /ER-102 can be very precise about step/pattern length, also it seams possible to add probabilities on the gate.
In the end, is the Eloquencer more handy thanks to its great UI but less powerfull that the ERs ?
thebrotherspus
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times as a suggested addition but have they or will they add unquantized recording?

Don't think this is going to happen. I asked Eloi about possible slide impementation and he said that would use too much cpu. I imagine unquantized rec/ cv out is in the same category. But I could be wrong.



I hope they're able to do unquantized cv. It would be nice to be able to use the eloquencer for things other than melody- like triggering specific samples from a sampler module or things like that. With the CV quantized, you often can't get precise enough voltages for things other than VCO pitch stuff.
sendepause
Got something strange happening....
I clock my Eloquence via clock-out from my BSP.
I run 4 patterns on track A: A1 16 steps, A2 4 steps, A3 16 steps, A4 4 steps. Equal to my BSP.
Pattern chain mode is forward.
I made track A the master track.
When i stop the sequence on my eloquencer it says next pattern to play A1. The BSP is stopped also. I arm my eloquencer to start running when i run my BSP.
Eloquencer skips A1 and starts playing with A2... Bug? What am i doing wrong? It's driving me nuts.
SynthEnergy
Running into an issue with the Eloquencer and hope its just me fumbling around.

Plan: Have the CV channel play random notes in a given scale

Execution:
- Change scale grouping #2 to be F# Minor Pentatonic
- Go into pattern mode and assign the pattern for editing to scale grouping #2
- Select CV and put in a few triggers on the grid with different notes (why does this still make you choose chromatic instead of the assigned scale grouping.. but whatever, lets move on to the next step)
- Go into CV Var Prob page and adjust those triggers to have 100% probability random change
- Go into CV Range for each trig and choose +/-8 (or +/-5, etc)

Hit play... aaaaannnd.. the random notes chosen are chromatic.... Umm what? Scale chosen was Minor pentatonic. What gives?
radiokoala
SynthEnergy
bug report maybe? sounds like it.

Quote:
Select CV and put in a few triggers on the grid with different notes (why does this still make you choose chromatic instead of the assigned scale grouping..

Because you can possibly select any note as opposed to being limited to just a few. Likewise, you can change the scale setting and it will change your intervals. Imagine that you are only able to pick C's with C Octaves selected — will it lead to interesting results after having changed your scale to, say, harmonic minor? The sequence will remain the same in all modes.
SynthEnergy
It’s all good. I just don’t think this sequencer is for me based on my experience thus far. It seems more work than inspiration with my intended workflow.
dhoinjo
SynthEnergy wrote:
It’s all good. I just don’t think this sequencer is for me based on my experience thus far. It seems more work than inspiration with my intended workflow.


how long have you been trying? And what are you trying to do?
SynthEnergy
dhoinjo wrote:
SynthEnergy wrote:
It’s all good. I just don’t think this sequencer is for me based on my experience thus far. It seems more work than inspiration with my intended workflow.


how long have you been trying? And what are you trying to do?


Below is from a few posts up in the thread. Essentially this:

SynthEnergy wrote:


Plan: Have the CV channel play random notes in a given scale

Execution:
- Change scale grouping #2 to be F# Minor Pentatonic
- Go into pattern mode and assign the pattern for editing to scale grouping #2
- Select CV and put in a few triggers on the grid with different notes (why does this still make you choose chromatic instead of the assigned scale grouping.. but whatever, lets move on to the next step)
- Go into CV Var Prob page and adjust those triggers to have 100% probability random change
- Go into CV Range for each trig and choose +/-8 (or +/-5, etc)

Hit play... aaaaannnd.. the random notes chosen are chromatic.... Umm what? Scale chosen was Minor pentatonic. What gives?


I brought back my Varigate 4+ and Voltage Block and was up and running doing exactly what I wanted to do within 10 minutes. I suspect I'm just swimming upstream with this module. I'm looking for more happy accidents and less sequencer carving at the minute.
dhoinjo
Sidenote: am I the only one who thinks that the graphic presentation of the ratchet values is upside down? Or is it me? beer!
Jericho
SynthEnergy wrote:
Running into an issue with the Eloquencer and hope its just me fumbling around.

Plan: Have the CV channel play random notes in a given scale

Execution:
- Change scale grouping #2 to be F# Minor Pentatonic
- Go into pattern mode and assign the pattern for editing to scale grouping #2
- Select CV and put in a few triggers on the grid with different notes (why does this still make you choose chromatic instead of the assigned scale grouping.. but whatever, lets move on to the next step)
- Go into CV Var Prob page and adjust those triggers to have 100% probability random change
- Go into CV Range for each trig and choose +/-8 (or +/-5, etc)

Hit play... aaaaannnd.. the random notes chosen are chromatic.... Umm what? Scale chosen was Minor pentatonic. What gives?


This behavior annoys me too. Why choosing a scale if it gets ignored when injecting cv probability? If I want chromatic random CVs, a chromatic scale can be chosen. Looking forward to see this addressed in a firmware update.
NANO-Jorge
I'm going to get one Eloquencer soon... Can't wait for it.
Sweetfiltersweep
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
when you connect cv and gate together the cv is too late if you want to mod the basimilus iteritas for instance
indeed. Sometimes the gate is miliseconds earlier than the cv change. Can be a bit annoying. But I only have this problem with my BIA for some reason. With Plonk it works like a charm. Bit of a mystery to me.

Quote:
when you deconnect cv and gate it works better

what do you mean by this?


Is this "delay" thing alreday fixed/solved/answered? It sounds like it could be a serious problem for some uses.
dhoinjo
Sweetfiltersweep wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Quote:
when you connect cv and gate together the cv is too late if you want to mod the basimilus iteritas for instance
indeed. Sometimes the gate is miliseconds earlier than the cv change. Can be a bit annoying. But I only have this problem with my BIA for some reason. With Plonk it works like a charm. Bit of a mystery to me.

Quote:
when you deconnect cv and gate it works better

what do you mean by this?


Is this "delay" thing alreday fixed/solved/answered? It sounds like it could be a serious problem for some uses.


As it turns out, the BIA seems very picky regarding what you send too it. (had the same thing with other sequencers). Not a real issue of the Eloquencer I think.
fjoesz
didn't have the problem with varigate/voltage block.
but digitakt through shuttle control doesn't work either
pretty annoying
I've sent a message about it.
Reaction was it's on the list, but not busy with it yet
dhoinjo
fjoesz wrote:
didn't have the problem with varigate/voltage block

Thought I heard someone mention problems with triggering BIA from VB/VG as well in another thread. I could be mistaken however. Anyway, I will know soon as I ordered a Voltage Block as well.
Daisuk
I recently got the Nerdseq, and haven't really used the Eloquencer for the past few weeks, but the last couple of days I've been using the Eloquencer more, as it's sort of in my fingers/muscles more than the Nerdseq at this point. It's a breeze to use, in my opinion, but it does lack some of the things that really makes the Nerdseq shine, in my opinion, namely: an easy way to structure patterns. I have to say, song mode in Eloquencer is as far from intuitive and fun to use as it gets, it could definitely use an overhaul, in my opinion. It would be interesting to hear other user's opinion on this though - do you use song mode much at all? How do you like it?

If there was a way to make song mode more like clip view in Ableton Live (kind of like Nerdseq's sequencer view is), it would make making full tracks on this thing so much more intuitive and fun. Not sure if that is viable at all, but at least the screen and the matrix could be used for something, I reckon. Just a way to play around with patterns more, make them a bit more flexible, as well as a simple way to introduce mutes of tracks in a structured way (instead of manually having to press buttons to do so).
dhoinjo
I have my Eloquencer here for a year now and I've never used song mode. Never missed it either. I understand what you are saying but I just don't use the EQ in this way. I like to manipulate it live and play with different patterns and pattern modes. What I would very much like in this regard is cv pattern select.
If pattern cv select would be possible it would also be really easy to build structures if you want to.
Southfork
Daisuk wrote:
I recently got the Nerdseq, and haven't really used the Eloquencer for the past few weeks, but the last couple of days I've been using the Eloquencer more, as it's sort of in my fingers/muscles more than the Nerdseq at this point. It's a breeze to use, in my opinion, but it does lack some of the things that really makes the Nerdseq shine, in my opinion, namely: an easy way to structure patterns. I have to say, song mode in Eloquencer is as far from intuitive and fun to use as it gets, it could definitely use an overhaul, in my opinion. It would be interesting to hear other user's opinion on this though - do you use song mode much at all? How do you like it?

If there was a way to make song mode more like clip view in Ableton Live (kind of like Nerdseq's sequencer view is), it would make making full tracks on this thing so much more intuitive and fun. Not sure if that is viable at all, but at least the screen and the matrix could be used for something, I reckon. Just a way to play around with patterns more, make them a bit more flexible, as well as a simple way to introduce mutes of tracks in a structured way (instead of manually having to press buttons to do so).


I feel the same way. You have an oled screen and a led matrix. Surely you’d be thinking let’s utilise these for composition in song mode hmmm.....
mecanikill
More ratchets per step please...
dhoinjo
mecanikill wrote:
More ratchets per step please...


THIS I agree!
dhoinjo
SynthEnergy wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
SynthEnergy wrote:
It’s all good. I just don’t think this sequencer is for me based on my experience thus far. It seems more work than inspiration with my intended workflow.


how long have you been trying? And what are you trying to do?


Below is from a few posts up in the thread. Essentially this:

SynthEnergy wrote:


Plan: Have the CV channel play random notes in a given scale

Execution:
- Change scale grouping #2 to be F# Minor Pentatonic
- Go into pattern mode and assign the pattern for editing to scale grouping #2
- Select CV and put in a few triggers on the grid with different notes (why does this still make you choose chromatic instead of the assigned scale grouping.. but whatever, lets move on to the next step)
- Go into CV Var Prob page and adjust those triggers to have 100% probability random change
- Go into CV Range for each trig and choose +/-8 (or +/-5, etc)

Hit play... aaaaannnd.. the random notes chosen are chromatic.... Umm what? Scale chosen was Minor pentatonic. What gives?


I brought back my Varigate 4+ and Voltage Block and was up and running doing exactly what I wanted to do within 10 minutes. I suspect I'm just swimming upstream with this module. I'm looking for more happy accidents and less sequencer carving at the minute.


to get back to this, I tried this today. Did exactly what you did. Works like a charm. In far less than 10 minutes...
Multi Grooves
Southfork wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I recently got the Nerdseq, and haven't really used the Eloquencer for the past few weeks, but the last couple of days I've been using the Eloquencer more, as it's sort of in my fingers/muscles more than the Nerdseq at this point. It's a breeze to use, in my opinion, but it does lack some of the things that really makes the Nerdseq shine, in my opinion, namely: an easy way to structure patterns. I have to say, song mode in Eloquencer is as far from intuitive and fun to use as it gets, it could definitely use an overhaul, in my opinion. It would be interesting to hear other user's opinion on this though - do you use song mode much at all? How do you like it?

If there was a way to make song mode more like clip view in Ableton Live (kind of like Nerdseq's sequencer view is), it would make making full tracks on this thing so much more intuitive and fun. Not sure if that is viable at all, but at least the screen and the matrix could be used for something, I reckon. Just a way to play around with patterns more, make them a bit more flexible, as well as a simple way to introduce mutes of tracks in a structured way (instead of manually having to press buttons to do so).


I feel the same way. You have an oled screen and a led matrix. Surely you’d be thinking let’s utilise these for composition in song mode hmmm.....


Another in agreement here. Never really gotten to grip with it. Haven't had the chance to touch it recently but hoped the new update would addressed this? seriously, i just don't get it confused
dhoinjo
found a little bug in quick pattern chain mode, had 6 patterns, last pattern was half as short as the other ones (5 patterns of 64 steps and 1 of 32 steps)
tried to find a way to have pattern 1 play from the beginning on repeat. It kept jumping to the second part of pattern 1 because the master track was half the length of the other parts. When I adjusted the play mode of the mastertrack last pattern, it played pattern one for only 1 step upon looping and then jumped to pattern 2 and the whole sequence was out of sync.

workaround: set pattern length for the last pattern to 8, but not from steps 1 to 8 but 9 to 16. If you set it from 1 to 8, pattern one would play from step 9 upon repeating. Dead Banana FUUUCCKKKK!!! eyes...
pascalm
does anyone has info about the white panel version?
where and when should it be available?
amop
pascalm wrote:
does anyone has info about the white panel version?
where and when should it be available?


I don’t, but when I saw it at SB it had three mounting screws in it that did not appear in the black panel version...so I wondered if it was a prototype of something. Unfortunately when I saw it no one was available to explain.

It did look very nice though. Hope they make it available.
pascalm
richard devines photo shows it well, no prototype:)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcUIWc9XUAAisXU.jpg
JC14
Multi Grooves wrote:
Southfork wrote:
Daisuk wrote:
I recently got the Nerdseq, and haven't really used the Eloquencer for the past few weeks, but the last couple of days I've been using the Eloquencer more, as it's sort of in my fingers/muscles more than the Nerdseq at this point. It's a breeze to use, in my opinion, but it does lack some of the things that really makes the Nerdseq shine, in my opinion, namely: an easy way to structure patterns. I have to say, song mode in Eloquencer is as far from intuitive and fun to use as it gets, it could definitely use an overhaul, in my opinion. It would be interesting to hear other user's opinion on this though - do you use song mode much at all? How do you like it?

If there was a way to make song mode more like clip view in Ableton Live (kind of like Nerdseq's sequencer view is), it would make making full tracks on this thing so much more intuitive and fun. Not sure if that is viable at all, but at least the screen and the matrix could be used for something, I reckon. Just a way to play around with patterns more, make them a bit more flexible, as well as a simple way to introduce mutes of tracks in a structured way (instead of manually having to press buttons to do so).


I feel the same way. You have an oled screen and a led matrix. Surely you’d be thinking let’s utilise these for composition in song mode hmmm.....


Another in agreement here. Never really gotten to grip with it. Haven't had the chance to touch it recently but hoped the new update would addressed this? seriously, i just don't get it confused


I agree!
sendepause
pascalm wrote:
richard devines photo shows it well, no prototype:)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcUIWc9XUAAisXU.jpg


He wanted to do something new for Superbooth so he made a white panel. #true
Jaypee
To Eloi: any chance to have a "zoom" function to deal with micro timing?

It's the only feature I missed and the reason I sold mine :(
But I'm hoping so much from Winter Modular! thumbs up
jmelland
Pardon me if this has been addressed, (this thread is MASSIVE)

In v 1.2 when i go to clear a track, the track clears, but the data on the display remains until I hit play, and then it deletes the track's data display, 1 unit at a time (not unlike PacMan). Is this intentional? I just got this so I'm getting up to speed as we speak...
dhoinjo
jmelland wrote:
Pardon me if this has been addressed, (this thread is MASSIVE)

In v 1.2 when i go to clear a track, the track clears, but the data on the display remains until I hit play, and then it deletes the track's data display, 1 unit at a time (not unlike PacMan). Is this intentional? I just got this so I'm getting up to speed as we speak...


Think it is a bug. Mine behaves the same way.
jmelland
dhoinjo wrote:
jmelland wrote:
Pardon me if this has been addressed, (this thread is MASSIVE)

In v 1.2 when i go to clear a track, the track clears, but the data on the display remains until I hit play, and then it deletes the track's data display, 1 unit at a time (not unlike PacMan). Is this intentional? I just got this so I'm getting up to speed as we speak...


Think it is a bug. Mine behaves the same way.


Thanks for telling me. That's funny because I'm watching Sonic Voltage's video of v 1.04 and when he clears a track, it goes away.

Hey Eloi! There is a new bug smile
jmelland
Is the "Pattern Save" function gone from the Pattern menu? I wonder if perhaps I should reinstall the firmware?
OrpHologram
Is it possible or will it be possible with future updates to add delays for individual gates? Similar to the delay function on the V8+. Also, please add glide!
dhoinjo
Glide is probably never going to happen. Too much cpu. Eloi told me to use a slew limiter for glide.
OrpHologram
dhoinjo wrote:
Glide is probably never going to happen.

Well that’s a real bummer. Seems like glide is a basic common feature for all sequencers to have. Especially for one this advanced.
Oasis_Pyramid
OrpHologram wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Glide is probably never going to happen.

Well that’s a real bummer. Seems like glide is a basic common feature for all sequencers to have. Especially for one this advanced.


Agree’d this is the only thing that I’m really missing from the eloquencer , that the er-101 has.
OrpHologram
Quote:
Agree’d this is the only thing that I’m really missing from the eloquencer , that the er-101 has.


I've never had a 101. I moved from a v8+ to the Eleoq. I miss the ability to delay each step and and set a glide amount. I'm hoping this will be implemented in the future. I love the Eloquencer so far though. The part selection is pretty much spot on with Ableton clip launching.
dhoinjo
Quote:
I miss the ability to delay each step


you can always set the ratchet to the second half or third triplet of the beat in ratchet. That gives you some delay. Not step delay but close.
OrpHologram
dhoinjo wrote:
you can always set the ratchet to the second half or third triplet of the beat in ratchet. That gives you some delay. Not step delay but close.


I’ve done that before actually. I can never set the ratchet on the third triplet to just one. It’s usually 1 and 3
dhoinjo
Have you tried the mode where it seems that there is only one on the first of the triplets? Because that's the one you want. All ratchet symbols are upside down. At least the other way around from what you expect them to be...
OrpHologram
dhoinjo wrote:
All ratchet symbols are upside down. At least the other way around from wha