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The Roots of Trance
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Babaluma

Whilst perusing the forum over at

http://www.psymusic.co.uk/

I came across a few interesting links on the Goa scene in the 80's.

Here is a report by Erik Davis, author of Techgnosis:

http://www.techgnosis.com/paradise.html

And here is an excellent article written by a dude who was actually there:

http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2010/4/14/unveiling-the-secret-the-root s-of-trance.html

And a podcast link to a wonderful two hour set in .mp3 featuring 80's Goa classics to accompany the article above:

http://www.bleep43.com/podcast/2010/4/14/podcast-165-the-roots-of-tran ce.html

It's really interesting to hear the influences and then compare them with what (some might say sadly) became the Psy Trance we know today.

Anyway, I just thought some of you might be interested!


a100user

That is a great Bam, nice tunes too.


slow_riot

really fascinating stuff. socially, musically etc etc.

Interesting counterpoint to 60s psychadelic culture. In some ways paralleled.

Always nice to hear 'trance' music that is interesting, rather than just soulless/cheesy commercial stuff.


suitandtieguy

thanks for posting this.


Babaluma

no worries!

i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)

however, before and since this period my music tastes have been wide and varied. unfortunately, what i and my friends experienced of the "scene" in those years was that it was extremely closed and insular. trance for breakfast, trance for lunch, and trance for dinner. we used to refer to it as the "trance vacuum", and it got so bad we all became very disenamoured and left the scene and the music behind.

i remember repeatedly trying to get other trance heads to appreciate things such as throbbing gristle, death in june, current 93 and nurse with wound, and absolutely none of them getting it. they thought i was "weird". well, that's true, but...

i'll occasionally spin some older tunes for nostalgia, but i hadn't heard anything new that really moved me in that genre for many many years, until late last year, when i heard the free download of a live show from "son kite" in tokyo, december 2003, which is available on their website here:

http://www.sonkite.com/music1.htm

and it really blew me away. very minimal, but very good, and would you believe it, extremely nice use of dynamic range. i haven't had a chance to see them live myself yet, but will do if they ever make it over to japan again!

anyway...


Knobtwister

Thanks Baba, really interesting stuff smile


skweeegor

I think the cheesy full-on stuff that's so popular is total tripe, but what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.

Thanks for those links, should be an interesting read.


neandrewthal

Eeeenteresting!

I don't know the first thing about trance so this was all new to me. I have a few psy trance CD's from the 90's but the kida suck lol

If I read the author of that second articel correctly he seems to think the only good trance music was made by screwing around with other popular electronic music and none of the stuff actually made as trance? Fascinating. I'd love to hear some of these old mixes.

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.


Time Machines

Thanks for posting this, Babaluma!
neandrewthal wrote:

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.
You can listen to the whole song here.


neandrewthal

Time Machines wrote:
Thanks for posting this, Babaluma!
neandrewthal wrote:

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.
You can listen to the whole song here.


awesome, thanks we're not worthy


Spanningtree

Thanks Babaluma, really interesting. Excellent read. Mr. Green


bonusplays

People may hate me for it, but you should check out this Drankenstein Mix, which is a hybrid of ridiculous trance breakdowns (you will recognize some if you were even only peripherally into trance) and Southern rap.

I find it pretty compelling and after a half an hour it starts to have its own logic to it. Funny to bring up in the context of reevaluating trance, I saw that mix of "early" goa and enjoyed it because it sounds so "proto". Its kind of more on the industrial/ebm/new wave side, even, but you can see where the sound is going.


Reality Checkpoint

Listening to the podcast now. Brings back some very happy memories!

Thanks for the link Babaluma. thumbs up


Babaluma

skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


Babaluma

my favourite early trance track is the b side of the original "pure trance" mix of the klf's "what time is love", which i believe has never been released elsewhere. the a-side is stunning too and widely available:




slow_riot

random musings.

i'm absolutely fascinated by that trance state acheived from repeated rhythms, and also i guess from dancing. from allowing people to use biologically gifted tools to explore the music. Quite democratic.

i've gotten my kicks in this vein a lot from some minimal techno. i think in a pure/core sense there can be a lot of crossover with these more interesting trance musics. (though Minimal seems often more suited to an indoors experience)

these styles have many pitfalls... it's easy for scenes to go stale/dark quickly, musically, as well as culturally, and often what spills over into mainstream culture is all to often the formulaic music, and dark side culturally. Maybe that's a consistant pattern across time.


Babaluma

yeah it's very interesting, the whole history of music and rhythm for consciousness expansion and cultural homogenisation, going back to african polyrhythmic drumming and indian drone instruments etc. and coming full circle to brain entrainment and binaural beat frequencies.

i agree that minimal techno is often great for this, without being "trance" music per se (as in the genre).

the notion of scenes going stale and the stratification of electronic music is a whole other kettle of fish, but i will say that i preferred it when dj's for the most part were not constrained by a single style or genre. i know some great dj's here who still really like to mix it up a lot (detroit techno with donna summer etc.), which is very refreshing to see.


Babaluma

here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Entrainer

Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.


skweeegor

Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo


rezzn8r

thanks for the links. some very well written stuff there.
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana 8_)


bonusplays

I'm currently reading Deep Listeners: Music, Emotion, and Trancing by Judith Becker, which is a fantastic book on cognition, listening, music, and trance states (trancing), if you guys are interested in that sort of thing. Doesn't cover US-Euro electronic trance music per se, but gets to some of the ideas that Babaluma was talking about in his earlier post.

My friend Matt did a review of it here with a bunch of other cool recommendations of books on sound.

The Becker book is great and extremely thorough, but very readable and academic without being super dry or highly abstracted. I'd describe it further but I'm only on page 70 and it hasn't quite gotten going yet.


suitandtieguy

the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.


Babaluma

Entrainer wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.


i remember 1987, but i was only 13 at the time, so not really aware of the whole underground dance thing kicking off at that time. i really like that goa mix (the first one i posted the link to), but i have no real idea as to how i would classify that music. you can definitely hear roots in their though! i've no idea what Belgium New Beat is.


Babaluma

skweeegor wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo


very clever programming but it doesn't really move me and it's WAY too fast for me wink

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