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Post by aroom » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:27 pm

yeah it would be great

too bad pam is already full full full

but one can dream :cloud:

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Post by ALM » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:58 pm

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JakoGreyshire wrote:Why don't you just tap a tempo into the clock input?
I'm already using the clock input but I was wondering if it was possible to use the other CV inputs to sync some output to another clock / or a tap tempo.
Tap tempo the master your syncing Pam too then ?

Dont understand how/why you would want to sync Pam to two entirely different clocks at the same time..

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Post by michaeljohnson » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:09 pm

Just a quick check before I make sure to get a Pam, but is the pexp-2 able to sync an Abstract Data ADE-32 Octocontroller? It would offload outputs otherwise taken up from Pam's 8 outs (clock and run/reset signal).

I've been digging through both manuals and searching the forum but just wanted to check and make sure 8-)
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Post by aroom » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:17 pm

ALM wrote:
aroom wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:Why don't you just tap a tempo into the clock input?
I'm already using the clock input but I was wondering if it was possible to use the other CV inputs to sync some output to another clock / or a tap tempo.
Tap tempo the master your syncing Pam too then ?

Dont understand how/why you would want to sync Pam to two entirely different clocks at the same time..

:despair:
in my case I have a crowded patch with PNW already being clocked by a sequencer, but I need an individual clock with a tap tempo to be able to sync another module in rhythm with an audio sample who's not at all in sync with the main sequence and don't have to be in sync with the main sequence.

sometimes it would be nice to be able to sync PNW to two different clocks and still use all the features like div, mult, waveform/shape, etc

such a powerful module

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Post by michaeljohnson » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:02 pm

michaeljohnson wrote:Just a quick check before I make sure to get a Pam, but is the pexp-2 able to sync an Abstract Data ADE-32 Octocontroller? It would offload outputs otherwise taken up from Pam's 8 outs (clock and run/reset signal).

I've been digging through both manuals and searching the forum but just wanted to check and make sure 8-)
After having hit up the helpful people at both ALM and Abstract Biz I will for posterity's sake answer my own highly specific question.

The ALM Pexp-2 expander for Pamela has a x24 output that is configured for a 24 PPQN syncing signal. The run output on the expander puts out a high signal whenever the x24 is also outputting the clock sync signal (I specifically asked this because I thought I needed this for the Ext. Reset input on the ADE-32 Octocontroller).

The Octocontroller itself can be configured on the Ext. Clock Input to respond to either 1, 4 or 24 PPQ clock signals.
You would not need the Pexp-2 expander for Pamela, because one of the eight standard outputs can be used for this, but it would also run from the x24 output of the expander.

For the next part I am quoting directly from Justin's (Abstract Data) response to me because it explained clearly.
Under normal use, when the ADE-32 is running under external clock, any time it is stopped - it always returns to Bar 1, Beat 1 of the 16 Bar/64 Beat cycle so you don’t need to use the External Reset - that is essentially there for resetting cycles other than 16 Bars/64 Beats.
So when you run bars/beats cycles that are different than 16 Bars/64 Beats, then you need to send a signal to the Octocontroller's External Reset for it's cycles to keep in sync with the clock cycles.

In the end, for my original 'problem', how to sync Pamela with Octo, there are two answers:
1) by one of the standard outputs of Pamela, if configured as clock signal outputting 1, 4 or 24 PPQN clock signals, it can slave the Octo
2) by the x24 output of the Pexp-2 expander of Pamela's, if Octo is configured to slave at 24 PPQN

You only need to use the Octo's external reset input if you need to reset cycles other than 16 bars/64 beats.

Yay, posterity. Hopefully someone will use the search function and find this if they do have such highly specific newbie questions like mine.
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Post by Spiff » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:57 am

michaeljohnson wrote:
Yay, posterity. Hopefully someone will use the search function and find this if they do have such highly specific newbie questions like mine.
Thanks for posting! I have been thinking about adding the octocontroller to my setup.

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Post by soon_come » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:11 pm

soon_come wrote:Add me to the list of people who has an encoder that got steadily worse and is now skipping values or going backwards while I scroll forward. Thankfully ALM is going to take a look at it. :hmm:
Killer service. We all hate to send stuff out for repair and wait, but they took a look (just outside of warranty expiry!) and determined the encoder was indeed faulty. It went out to the UK from NYC and I had a replacement within a few weeks. Thanks team, I'm back to abusing PNW! :hail:

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Post by guigui » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:29 am

Can I rotate/remap clock divisions on PNW with a external or internal trigger like Tempi or 4ms RCD does?

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Post by depaffect » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:45 am

yeah but it’s not as versatile as tempi

you can rotate either all outputs, or just the top row.

would be great if you could choose with outputs are included in the rotation

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Post by guigui » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:00 am

depaffect wrote:would be great if you could choose with outputs are included in the rotation
Is that possible in Tempi? I didn't know.

I think being able to rotate them all is nice already but being able to keep some outputs in a constant pace would be really good.

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Post by plainjanefrancis » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:07 am

guigui wrote:
depaffect wrote:would be great if you could choose with outputs are included in the rotation
Is that possible in Tempi? I didn't know.

I think being able to rotate them all is nice already but being able to keep some outputs in a constant pace would be really good.
Yes you can choose which outputs rotate in tempi. Super easy to do to!

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Post by guigui » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:41 am

plainjanefrancis wrote:
guigui wrote:
depaffect wrote:would be great if you could choose with outputs are included in the rotation
Is that possible in Tempi? I didn't know.

I think being able to rotate them all is nice already but being able to keep some outputs in a constant pace would be really good.
Yes you can choose which outputs rotate in tempi. Super easy to do to!
I think that's the only area where I'd say Tempi has an edge on PNW. How easy it is to control it with a button for each output and easy button combinations.

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Post by uebl » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:14 am

soon_come wrote:
soon_come wrote:Add me to the list of people who has an encoder that got steadily worse and is now skipping values or going backwards while I scroll forward. Thankfully ALM is going to take a look at it. :hmm:
Killer service. We all hate to send stuff out for repair and wait, but they took a look (just outside of warranty expiry!) and determined the encoder was indeed faulty. It went out to the UK from NYC and I had a replacement within a few weeks. Thanks team, I'm back to abusing PNW! :hail:
Thanks for posting this, I'm having the same issue with one of my 2 PNWs.

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Post by Rafi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:19 am

Fantastic thread! A limited grey panel Pam available only in the ALM shop is on it’s way! :yay:

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Post by aphex2000 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:42 pm

Is there a way to have Pamela NOT reload the last known state on boot up?

I like to start fresh on every power up so this convenience feature is a bit of a hassle.

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Post by lisa » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:21 pm

It takes about five seconds to clear all settings in the main menu. :party:
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Post by yellowecho » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:12 pm

guigui wrote:I think that's the only area where I'd say Tempi has an edge on PNW. How easy it is to control it with a button for each output and easy button combinations.
Superior mutes on Tempi too. I still much prefer Pam though.

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Post by depaffect » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Yeah. The simple button combos on Tempi are great! I hated having to remember all the colours and button positions for the more advanced functions/options though.

So much happier with PNW overall!

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Post by yellowecho » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:54 pm

depaffect wrote:Yeah. The simple button combos on Tempi are great! I hated having to remember all the colours and button positions for the more advanced functions/options though.

So much happier with PNW overall!
Agreed. I'll eventually sell the Tempi. I like the immediacy but can't stand the multi-button advanced functions. I got more use out of a RCD just because I didn't like the fuss.

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Post by aphex2000 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:24 am

lisa wrote:It takes about five seconds to clear all settings in the main menu. :party:
yes, and its also rather easy to provide a setting to save me this button combo / 5 sec every time i use my modular.

only in the hardware synth world are ux improvements something to be earned, sigh

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Post by MossGarden » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:39 am

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lisa wrote:It takes about five seconds to clear all settings in the main menu. :party:
yes, and its also rather easy to provide a setting to save me this button combo / 5 sec every time i use my modular.

only in the hardware synth world are ux improvements something to be earned, sigh
This is the nature of the beast, the flexibility of modular gives you insane creative possibilities, but due to the heavily varied and complex way people use their systems, it's not always easy for designers to tick every box that every person should need ticked. I personally think that having a master reset hidden one layer down is a wise choice, I would not want to accidentally hit that in during a show, the practicalities of correcting that mistake is a panic attack waiting to happen (for me at least). If your issue is wanting Pam's reset on every boot up of your system, maybe get into the habit of reseting it before you power down, then you'd have a clean slate every time.

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Post by lisa » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 am

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lisa wrote:It takes about five seconds to clear all settings in the main menu. :party:
yes, and its also rather easy to provide a setting to save me this button combo / 5 sec every time i use my modular.
It isn’t easy since PNW is full. No more functions can be added.
only in the hardware synth world are ux improvements something to be earned, sigh
The synth user feature wish list tend to be very long and partly rather dumb so I do understand why most makers ignore them.
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Post by sutekina bipu-on » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am

has anyone moved from temps utile to pnw and been glad they did?

im not unhappy with temps by any means.... seems like pnw might offer more functionality though, not including midi support which i would not be using.

after reading the pnw manual twice i'd be worried about missing a lot of temps features i am used to & love (LFSR, logic, configurable offsets for anything, configurable pulsewidth, & possibly most importantly the trigger sequencer)

but it does look so nice & simple to use pnw... & i feel like it could do some fun rhymic stuff so i dunno :despair:

it seems like i can achieve pretty much everything but logic, LFSR and trigger sequencer via Extended Per Trigger Adjustment - could anyone comment on that?

since i have logic and trigger sequencers separately from the temps, it seems like i can have more rhythmic possibilities with pnw seeing as the divisor/multiplier ranges are wider and you get a choice of waveform outputs as opposed to straight up gate/trigs only like temps.

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Post by aphex2000 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:17 pm

lisa wrote:
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lisa wrote:It takes about five seconds to clear all settings in the main menu. :party:
yes, and its also rather easy to provide a setting to save me this button combo / 5 sec every time i use my modular.
It isn’t easy since PNW is full. No more functions can be added.
only in the hardware synth world are ux improvements something to be earned, sigh
The synth user feature wish list tend to be very long and partly rather dumb so I do understand why most makers ignore them.
i've asked a question, was that snarky comment really necessary in the first place?

but i gather from your reply that you are also not aware of such a function so i will submit it the long list of other suggestions by idiots that ALM is tracking because i would really appreciate it.

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Post by lohacker » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:02 pm

sutekina bipu-on wrote:has anyone moved from temps utile to pnw and been glad they did?

im not unhappy with temps by any means.... seems like pnw might offer more functionality though, not including midi support which i would not be using.

after reading the pnw manual twice i'd be worried about missing a lot of temps features i am used to & love (LFSR, logic, configurable offsets for anything, configurable pulsewidth, & possibly most importantly the trigger sequencer)

but it does look so nice & simple to use pnw... & i feel like it could do some fun rhymic stuff so i dunno :despair:

it seems like i can achieve pretty much everything but logic, LFSR and trigger sequencer via Extended Per Trigger Adjustment - could anyone comment on that?

since i have logic and trigger sequencers separately from the temps, it seems like i can have more rhythmic possibilities with pnw seeing as the divisor/multiplier ranges are wider and you get a choice of waveform outputs as opposed to straight up gate/trigs only like temps.
I've sold TU and kept PNW just for space reasons but I agree that LFSR and trigger sequencer are missing the most, also iirc TU has stronger voltages outs than Pams

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