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tylerkenthill
Hi all!

So, I'm new to modular synthesis, and am hoping to buy a 104HP skiff soon. My goal is to basically build a version of the Make Noise System Concréte because I'm a radio journalist and the idea of making tape music is really interesting to me.

I'm hoping to build my system around a morphagene instead of a phonogene, and I'm on a budget, so I'll be building it module by module. I'm going to have a little bit of expendable cash soon, and could probably buy 2 smaller modules or 1 nicer one when I order my skiff.

I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to start with the morphagene, since it'll be the most expensive module in the system, it's the one that does the most, and it's the only one I won't be able to find used. What are your thoughts on this? Could I do some cool things with the morphagene on its own for a while before I have the money to buy some other modules?

Which ones in the system concréte should I try to buy next? I'm thinking maybe the wogglebug so I can have some CVs to patch to the morphagene.

Let me know your thoughts! Like I said, I'm new to this and I've done a lot of research but I still feel like I don't know what I'm doing. So any advice is appreciated. Thanks! smile
boboter
Years ago I built a small-ish case around the Phonogene and also started with said module. You definitely can have some fun with it on it's own but obviously you're missing out on what is possible.

Still, in my opinion it is a good first module. For second I would definitely go for some modulation. Either, like you already mentioned, a random source like the Wogglebug, or a function generator like Maths.

Nr. three would be a vca or low-pass-gate. You can't go wrong with an Optomix.
richc90
What boboter said: Wogglebug, Maths, Optomix/LxD. Alot of my PG patches involve alot of parallel filtering: one version of the loop through one low pass filter, another through another high pass filter, etc. Echophon and Erbe-Verb are also great for adding variety. So I'd probably get a couple of smallish filters rather than the MMG (which is admittedly great but I'd rather have multiple filters.

As for the MG vs PG, I'm intrigued by the MG but I don't think I could ever lose my PG: it's quirks and limitations are the source of its immense charm. In particular, I'm also of the impression that the MG is much more hifi than the PG, which is full of lofi grit and character. Can the MG sound like this?

[s]https://soundcloud.com/rich-c90/burning-bright[/s]
tylerkenthill
Thanks to both of you! That's super helpful.

Do you think it makes a difference which versions of Maths and/or Wogglebug I get? Some of the older versions are appealing to me because I can find them for so much cheaper, but I wonder if I'd miss out on the capabilities of the newer ones?

As far as phonogene vs morphagene, I agree that the lofi sound of the phonogene is pretty cool. What I like most about the morphagene is that it can play way longer samples, which is super useful if I wanted to use the system to mix radio stories/documentaries/podcasts. Before, I was thinking about doing a phonogene and a Music Thing Radio Music, but I like the sampling capabilities of the morphagene. smile
tylerkenthill
PS I love what you've done in that song!
richc90
Thanks. If you look on the Phonogene Compositions thread there are loads of fantastic examples of what you can do, many of which have super useful patch notes.

As for Maths and Wogglebug, I've only used the most recent versions but I suspect that it wouldn't matter a tremendous amount. Even the newer versions come up relatively often on the BST section, so you should be able to get a good deal if you are patient.

That being said, since you only have 84HP to play with (104 less then MG/PG), I'd be tempted to get the newer Wogglebug just because it saves you 4HP over the older version, which is invaluable in a small rig.
asteraster
Is there a particular reason you're looking at Maths and Wogglebug other than maintaining the aesthetic of MakeNoise? I'm not saying that's wrong but, seeing as this is Eurorack and you have the choice of using any modules in a case, I'd at least suggest looking at what other options are available.

There's much less expensive modules that perform similar or exactly the same functions as Maths or Wogglebug.

I use Mutable Instruments Tides for complex LFO's and, with Parasites, as a Random source.

Starting with Morphagene should be fun, though!
tylerkenthill
That's a good point about the space on the new Wogglebug. Definitely something to keep in mind.

And as far as sticking with Make Noise, I should probably look into some other brands too! I had planned to just do Make Noise because I'm essentially recreating a system they've already made, and being new to this, thought it would be simpler. But that's a really good point about exploring what other modules do the same things. Thanks for the advice!
boboter
There are of course many great choices for every purpose and you should check them all out. But there is a reason that e.g. Maths is in so many people's cases. Just sayin'.
tylerkenthill
boboter wrote:
there is a reason that e.g. Maths is in so many people's cases. Just sayin'.


That's a good point. Maths seems to be pretty universally-loved.
baleen
I think the Morphagene is a good module to build your setup around, but I agree w folks above that just a Morphagene might be limiting.

Yeah the MN module suggestions up there are good, and I agree w asteraster that Tides is great for modulation and many, many other things (I run Maths AND Tides fwiw). Modulation systems which influence and relate with each other are a big feature in even a small build.

Not sure I saw it upthread but an attenuator/attenuverter will be a handy tool.

what's yr budget? what are you trying to do musically? ("i don't know yet!" is a fine answer).
tylerkenthill
Right! I would hope to not be limited to just the Morphagene for too long. Basically my budget is that every couple months I'll have $200-$300 to spend so I'm hoping to just build it piece by piece, but was wondering if it makes sense to start with the Morphagene first.

I'm not entirely sure what I'd like to do musically. I don't have a lot of experience as a musician, and most of my experience is in producing audio stories for radio or podcasts. So basically what I'd like my little skiff to be able to do is make cool music/effects that would be helpful in scoring/sound designing audio documentaries.

My current plan I think is to go:
1. Skiff + Morphagene
2. Mult+2hp Mix+Blind panels (all the cheap stuff basically)
3. Wogglebug
4. Echophon
5. Maths
6. MMG

Does anybody have thoughts/advice on that order of buying things?
Bigsteak
richc90 wrote:
What boboter said: Wogglebug, Maths, Optomix/LxD. Alot of my PG patches involve alot of parallel filtering: one version of the loop through one low pass filter, another through another high pass filter, etc. Echophon and Erbe-Verb are also great for adding variety. So I'd probably get a couple of smallish filters rather than the MMG (which is admittedly great but I'd rather have multiple filters.

As for the MG vs PG, I'm intrigued by the MG but I don't think I could ever lose my PG: it's quirks and limitations are the source of its immense charm. In particular, I'm also of the impression that the MG is much more hifi than the PG, which is full of lofi grit and character. Can the MG sound like this?

[s]https://soundcloud.com/rich-c90/burning-bright[/s]


This is incredible. Now I need a phonogene. Do you remember what the source audio is? I've been looking to create similar tape loop, vaporwave esque sounds like this.
hinterlands303
tylerkenthill wrote:
Right! I would hope to not be limited to just the Morphagene for too long. Basically my budget is that every couple months I'll have $200-$300 to spend so I'm hoping to just build it piece by piece, but was wondering if it makes sense to start with the Morphagene first.

My current plan I think is to go:
1. Skiff + Morphagene
2. Mult+2hp Mix+Blind panels (all the cheap stuff basically)
3. Wogglebug
4. Echophon
5. Maths
6. MMG

Does anybody have thoughts/advice on that order of buying things?


I would get Maths second as envelopes are more immediately useful than a random source (which is still really useful!). After that I would get a some kind of VCA or LPG. Then the Wogglebug, and then whatever utilities you find you might need and whatever effects you think will be useful.
mlaszews
richc90 wrote:
As for the MG vs PG, I'm intrigued by the MG but I don't think I could ever lose my PG: it's quirks and limitations are the source of its immense charm. In particular, I'm also of the impression that the MG is much more hifi than the PG, which is full of lofi grit and character. Can the MG sound like this?

[s]https://soundcloud.com/rich-c90/burning-bright[/s]


This is great. Thanks, now I want to spend $500 on a PG/MG...
tylerkenthill
Awesome! I've changed my list. Thanks smile
richc90
Step 2 might be skipped. Because a) you can make your own blind panels (Poorness has an example early on in his eurorack diary thread that is really usefu) and b) you can get a couple of external splitters or stack cables (which also saves you space). You will probably need a mixer at some point, but you could get that with something like Optomix or Moddemix (which also have other uses like being VCAs, etc.)

My approach would be: be patient and get Maths (or the Wogglebug) at the same time as you can the skiff and MG. Then something kind of filter/mixer. The echophon is great, but it is alot of real estate for what it is. Warps with parasites would offer more. As before: I would also recommend against the MMG. For the size, you could get two other filters that offer multiple outputs (HP/LP/BP) rather than just one. There are lots of good small (I mean 6HP and under) options here: if you want coverage of the LPG angle, LxD would be a great option at 4HP.

Obviously there are many options, but here is a quick selection I knocked up in a few minutes on modulargrid. Rosie in in there because it offers mixing, an effects loop, and means you can plug you headphones in a wiggle on the sofa.

richc90
Bigsteak wrote:
This is incredible. Do you remember what the source audio is? I've been looking to create similar tape loop, vaporwave esque sounds like this.


Thanks. There are patch notes here and it was a snippet of Julee Cruise running in reverse. It's amazing what unexpected results you get with the PG: I've currently got a snippet of choral music in there running in reverse which sounds like orchestral strings...
R.U.Nuts
I started my modular with a phonogene. I assume my reccomendations will apply to a system based around a Morphagene as well:
Phonogene loves stepped modulation sources. A Wogglebug can deliver this but you probably could get away with a simple sample and hold module as well -of course you'll need something to feed the S&H. Noise would be an obvious choice and some S&H modules have a noise source built in. The Morphagene can deliver the triggers for the S&H. I built a Turing Machine for this purpose.
Maths is great for small systems. For example it ca work as a mixer with up to four channels or a comparator which can be fed with the envelope follower of the MG.
Lastly I'd skip the blind panels and would DIY something of wood or even cardboard. This will save you some money for patchcables. You'll need plenty of them and they're pricey.
Aiyn Zahev
richc90 wrote:
What boboter said: Wogglebug, Maths, Optomix/LxD. Alot of my PG patches involve alot of parallel filtering: one version of the loop through one low pass filter, another through another high pass filter, etc. Echophon and Erbe-Verb are also great for adding variety. So I'd probably get a couple of smallish filters rather than the MMG (which is admittedly great but I'd rather have multiple filters.

As for the MG vs PG, I'm intrigued by the MG but I don't think I could ever lose my PG: it's quirks and limitations are the source of its immense charm. In particular, I'm also of the impression that the MG is much more hifi than the PG, which is full of lofi grit and character. Can the MG sound like this?

[s]https://soundcloud.com/rich-c90/burning-bright[/s]


Good question, I like this a lot.
tylerkenthill
Wow! This is all so helpful! Thanks richc90 and everybody else! Definitely going to be coming back to this thread as I start to actually buy modules.
InnnerSight
Check out Pamela's New Workout as a potential modulation source for your Morphogene.
Jumbuktu
Other ideas for modulation sources:

- QuBit Nanorand. Like a Wogglebug in 4hp
- The new WMD/SSF ModBox. 5 modulation sources plus noise in 6hp. Can sync to the EOSG output and does clock division as well.
Sebastian Cain
Jumbuktu wrote:
Other ideas for modulation sources:

- QuBit Nanorand. Like a Wogglebug in 4hp
- The new WMD/SSF ModBox. 5 modulation sources plus noise in 6hp. Can sync to the EOSG output and does clock division as well.


ADE Octocontroller is a modulation powerhouse
baleen
on the more straightforward side, Ears would be fun n handy
He_lium
For that purpose, it could be interesting to integrate a module like Serge Random Source Resonant Equalizer. I often use mine with Phonogene.
tylerkenthill
Not sure anybody will see this here, but how does this look for making what we were talking about? Tape music, sampling, and some very simple ambient/drone-ish stuff?

baleen
yeah that looks fun. if you've got the space you don't need to cram in all those 2hps, or use that extra space for VCAs/LPGs or other abbreviations
richc90
Pressure Points is a great idea, lots of tactile fun and will pair well with the MG.

I can't see any VCA there. There are various mixing VCAs that are flexible (Optomix being a firm favourite with me).

Save space by getting stack cables or external splitters rather than the Mult.

The Lo-Fi junky is something of a one trick pony. It does that trick very well but I would recommend something that offered a wider range of sonic possibilities given the size of the module and your case. Have a look at Warps: the parasites firmware, it offers a staggering amount of functions (though can do only one at once).

Be careful with those 2HP modules: very tempting given the space constraints, but perhaps not very enjoyable to use.

Have fun!
Acquadar
Take a look on Www.fraptools.com their skiff is 42 hp. You can buy one, two, three, four and so on. they can be assembled in various configurations. This way you can buy as you grow up. Listen carefully to Richc90. His PG compositions are some of the best I've ever heard...
darcmorcel
The idea to go makenoise all the way could be a good one, in order to keep a homogenous workflow...

For example :


Sampling (Morphagene)
Sound sources (Morphagene, Wogglebug, Maths)
Modulation (Wogglebug, Maths, Morphagene)
Filtering (MMG, Optomix)
FX (Moddemix, Echophon)
Mixing (Moddemix, Optomix, Rosie)
Monitoring (Rosie)
Acquadar
Nice one...
tylerkenthill
Thanks everyone! I'm new to this so all your advice is super helpful. It's good to get the feeling that I'm finally getting somewhat close to knowing what I'm doing.

And thanks to richc90 for being 1. a phonogene genius and 2.super responsive on this thread!

Quote:
I can't see any VCA there. There are various mixing VCAs that are flexible (Optomix being a firm favourite with me).

Save space by getting stack cables or external splitters rather than the Mult.

The Lo-Fi junky is something of a one trick pony. It does that trick very well but I would recommend something that offered a wider range of sonic possibilities given the size of the module and your case. Have a look at Warps: the parasites firmware, it offers a staggering amount of functions (though can do only one at once).

Be careful with those 2HP modules: very tempting given the space constraints, but perhaps not very enjoyable to use.


I think you're right about the VCA's. That felt to me like the one thing that was really missing. Does an Optomix/Moddemix offer decent effects/filtering in addition to working as a VCA? The appeal to me with Lo-Fi junky was to try and get some more of that "tape" sound but I agree that it only does one thing and takes up quite a bit of space. Does the Warps have a way to get that kind of sound? And as far as switching out the 2HP modules, do you have suggestions for other cheap modules that do the same things? I have a 104HP MN powered skiff, which I believe has the ability to power 10 modules. And I really liked how inexpensive the 2hp ones are, even though they're pretty simplistic.
richc90
The Parasites firmware for Warps has a lovely mode called "Variable Rate Delay" that simulates classic tape loop effects (see this video) and you can further layer that kind of stuff by playing around with feedback loops and the like. Considering all the other things it can do, Warps is hard to resist in any rack, especially a small one. You can read the descriptions of the various options you get with parasites firmware here.

Optomix is a classic and definitely great value given it's extra functionality (three channel mixing, strike inputs, etc.) but a small multimode filter (uVCF e.g.) would also be a really useful addition.

Honestly though, don't overthink it too much at this stage. I would personally get something like the MG and maybe Maths, Wogglebug, and Warps, and then take it from there. You'd have your main sound source, a bunch of ways of modulating it, and a range of options for processing it. Once you've played around with those for a while, you'll get a sense of what you want next (probably a filter!).
tylerkenthill
Thanks again richc90![b] You've been so helpful. I was thinking I'd definitely start with the MG, Wogglebug, and Maths and go from there!
skunk_hour
I'd really recommend going for a 4hp mixer over the 2hp. Making quick mix adjustments is one of the easiest ways of live-tweaking a sound, and it's hard to do that on the 2hp. If you go for the something like the Manhattan Analog CP3 clone, then you can also use it as a nice mild overdrive.
JohnnyThorj
Wogglebug + Morph can give you a good result like a random phrase micro samples. But, if you fun of MakeNoise products, you must think about Function and MMG — this is not expensive, and can give you an interest results
PedrotheCommunist
what about the clouds from Mutable instruments there?
tomorrowstops
OP - I've been assembling a system based on the Make Noise System Concrete as well. So far, I have a Phonogene, Maths, Clouds, Wobblebug, and a mult. Definitely hangout on here in the for sale forum, theres tons of used stuff. I even got a good deal on the power components (I'm building my own case).

My sound sources are an 0Coast and an old MS20. I'll also be sampling my acoustic instruments (piano, guitar, vibes) as well as feeding the PG tracks from my DAW.

Just wanted to share in the excitement (I'm still waiting for a few items in the mail, so I haven't played with anything yet!
Jumbuktu
Here is my current 38hp Phonogene Lunchbox, followed by planned changes with Morphagene:



You can definitely build a very interesting and capable system around either the Phonogene or Morphagene.
tomorrowstops
Jumbuktu wrote:
Here is my current 38hp Phonogene Lunchbox, followed by planned changes with Morphagene:



You can definitely build a very interesting and capable system around either the Phonogene or Morphagene.


Wow, smallest system I've seen yet - looks like fun!
Jumbuktu
tomorrowstops wrote:

Wow, smallest system I've seen yet - looks like fun!


Couple of examples:

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/316977024" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

This one doesn't even use the Phonogene. The drums are tabla samples in the Tip Top One:

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/316977261" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Tumulishroomaroom
richc90 wrote:
What boboter said: Wogglebug, Maths, Optomix/LxD. Alot of my PG patches involve alot of parallel filtering: one version of the loop through one low pass filter, another through another high pass filter, etc. Echophon and Erbe-Verb are also great for adding variety. So I'd probably get a couple of smallish filters rather than the MMG (which is admittedly great but I'd rather have multiple filters.

As for the MG vs PG, I'm intrigued by the MG but I don't think I could ever lose my PG: it's quirks and limitations are the source of its immense charm. In particular, I'm also of the impression that the MG is much more hifi than the PG, which is full of lofi grit and character. Can the MG sound like this?

[s]https://soundcloud.com/rich-c90/burning-bright[/s]

Never considered the Phono/Morphagene up to know but damn ! Such a beaut ! I'm getting beautiful Basinski vibes here.
Baddcr
For tape emulation try the Synthesis Technology E580 - crumbs -that thing sounds sweet!!!

Also, I rather like the Strymon Deco - although of course that's not Euro This is fun!

Somehow, missed the Warps alternative tape emulation delay mode, thanks for the heads up on that thumbs up
theodorbang
So glad to see this thread!
I just ordered my first Eurorack module for my Synthrotek lunchbox - and it's the Morphagene!

I use the Dave Smith Pro 2 as my main synth and I'm hoping to build on this lunchbox over the next couple of months. In an ideal scenario the lunchbox will compliment the Pro 2 as much as possible. Add things the Pro 2 doesn't do. For example a reverb module?
But eventually also be its own little standalone monster.

My purpose or idea / work flow in general is to just mess around and make fun and nice musical sounds. And then record/capture it into my daw and produce and mix from there. I'm not looking to make full tracks basically or long parts of music that evolve for too long. More like shorter burts of fun and hopefully nice sounding chaos that I can later add bass notes and beats too etc.

If anyone has suggestions on what could be a 2nd module to add to my coming Morphagene (and Pro 2) what could this be?
I'm very limited in my knowledge regarding this format!

I've been looking at Maths but the space is my lunchbox is basically gone then.

Appreciate any ideas and thoughts!
villeRMD
Just got my Morphagene in the post, cannot wait to get that module fired up for a ride. Are there any other similar kind of modules that are worth taking a look?
moonscience
First post here, yet lurking for a while...

After a great demo at Perfect Circuit Audio I bought a morphagene and like tylerkenthill, this is my first module. I picked up a 0-coast last year and apparently caught the modular disease.

I've been using the 0-coast, sq-1 and a microbrute together (mainly with the MB as both controller and a final stage (filter + vca), thus assumed I wouldn't be buying a maths and woggle bug immediately since there are mini versions of these modules on the 0-coast. Had been thinking more about echophon and erbe verb as initial purchases, but as mentioned earlier in this thread, I think I'm being too singularly focused on Make Noise and would love other recommendations (I'm seeing all those mutable ideas from richc90.)

For what it's worth, the 0-Coast and Morphagene play together really well. I've really only had a couple days messing around with it, but was easily able to take a short clip of music and turn it into self-generating ambient music using the clock, random and slope functions from the 0-coast.
natureclubcassettes
i would get maths, morphagene, wogglebug and tempi. learn that and then expand
Karabekian
I've always bought the more expensive/complex pieces because while I'm waiting for the funds to come in for the more functional modules, I can spend the same time learning how to use it.
JonathanBedrava
You could do a lot worse than the Morphagene, and it's probably your best starting point if you're into musique concrete.
alexbarbed
Wait a minute - no reverb! Not everyone likes reverb, but I find it pretty indispensable. Erbeverb is lovely but a space-hog (as in HP, not cosmically) so I ended up losing mine and picking up a 2hp Verb. It's not as nice, but it is still perfectly usable and takes up almost no space.
Gyroscope
I've been following this thread closely. I'm new to modular too so ain't too sure what I'm doing but the idea of building a system around the Morphagene is appealing to me. I tried a couple of things on Modular grid and this is what I have for now. Is there something wrong with that setup (e.g. is the STO useful in such a setup?) and how could I fill the remaining space? Not sure how to post the modular grid link, lots to learn...

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/538492
intuitionnyc
I would personally skip an Echophon or Erbe Verbe initially. This is of course you not minding getting a delay pedal and/or reverb pedal. I personally think you should dedicate the small rack to creating your source material.

Don't get me wrong, the Echophon and Erbe Verb offer something in the delay and reverb departments which is very unique. They are superb for experimental music concrete kind of stuff. I just think they are hp hogs for a small system and you can get that type of functionality outside the rack (if you are looking for generic delays/reverbs that is).

Just my two cents. YMMV
tross
Morphagene is very creative tool, but you should think that it is capable of certain sounds, i mostly see it as a groove box that contributes a rhythm or some nice ambient or glitchy pieces. But it alwayys goes like a compliment.
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