Kammerl Beat-Repeat Effect for Clouds

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Post by pld » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:46 am

th0mas wrote:However the .hex file is only 465762 bytes so I'm pretty sure we're fine for space. When I went over size while building my sample player for Peaks DMC the build (or conversion to wav) failed due to being oversize.
If you haven't checked already, something to watch out for is whether the code ends up overlapping the flash sectors used for saving sample buffers (and/or settings, depending where they're located for Clouds). AFAIK that's not flagged during the build.

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Post by th0mas » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:50 pm

We good. It fits.

[video][/video]

Demo video. I walk through all the parasites modes including Kammerl.

Pull request is open now on parasites repository to start getting feedback, but it's not quite done. Reverb is still enabled and I think there's a few things missing from 0.31 still.

https://github.com/mqtthiqs/parasites/pull/1

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Post by jwise » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:24 pm

It's time to celebrate and do the :bananaguitar: :banana: :nana:

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Post by starmandeluxe » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:38 am

th0mas wrote:We good. It fits.

[video][/video]

Demo video. I walk through all the parasites modes including Kammerl.

Pull request is open now on parasites repository to start getting feedback, but it's not quite done. Reverb is still enabled and I think there's a few things missing from 0.31 still.

https://github.com/mqtthiqs/parasites/pull/1
Oh. My. God.


That was fast :eek:

AND you have reverb as part of the beat repeat mode?? That's even better
IMO :hihi: Any way we can get the .wav?

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Post by Emmanuel G. » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:23 am

not quite sure what's in there but it sounds cool :)

I'm confused, did you use the parasites granular, original granular or kammerl granular

I think some have said, and I would agree, that the parasites granular doesn't sound quite as well as the others. my personal favorite being the original one (not with the reverb at the end of the chain) and I'm using kammerl firmware (kammerl granular being close enough)

however, the reverse grain feature from parasites is really amazing

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Post by nectarios » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:41 am

th0mas wrote:We good. It fits.

[video][/video]

Demo video. I walk through all the parasites modes including Kammerl.

Pull request is open now on parasites repository to start getting feedback, but it's not quite done. Reverb is still enabled and I think there's a few things missing from 0.31 still.

https://github.com/mqtthiqs/parasites/pull/1
Brilliant. It would be cool to know if you added the Kammerl Granular (and Wavepicker) and they all fit like that :sb:

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Post by th0mas » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:55 am

It's exactly Parasites with Kammerl beat repeat added, so right now the granular mode is the parasites granular mode.

For merging Kammerl and Parasites I don't intend on making any (intentional :hihi:) creative changes, so I'm going to make beat repeat act exactly like it does in the Kammerl firmware, and not change anything else in the parasites firmware.

Changing the parasites granular mode could be a separate job done later. Same with introducing spectral clouds to Parasites.

Over the weekend I'll fix up the missing bits on that pull request and try to get some eyes on it.

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Post by dooj88 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:25 pm

wavepicker? smooshing parasites together? i thought people with 2 clouds were a bit nutty, since HP is the ultimate premium.. but damn, with all these incredible modes.. it's actually becoming something i'd consider.

had a blast with spectral clouds. earlier this morning just let it do it's thing for 20 minutes and sat back and listened. it's beautiful! here's a clip of just braids going into Spectral Clouds, and one channel going back out to FM itself. Light modulation on Clouds. nothing groundbreaking and i'm certainly not putting it through its paces, but it makes gorgeous sounds.



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Post by xorsister » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:49 pm

th0mas wrote: However the .hex file is only 465762 bytes so I'm pretty sure we're fine for space. When I went over size while building my sample player for Peaks DMC the build (or conversion to wav) failed due to being oversize.
WOW!
Thats really awesome! Even with a fast switching interface!
Any way we could get that .hex or a wav?

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Post by Emmanuel G. » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:12 am

th0mas wrote:It's exactly Parasites with Kammerl beat repeat added, so right now the granular mode is the parasites granular mode.

For merging Kammerl and Parasites I don't intend on making any (intentional :hihi:) creative changes, so I'm going to make beat repeat act exactly like it does in the Kammerl firmware, and not change anything else in the parasites firmware.

Changing the parasites granular mode could be a separate job done later. Same with introducing spectral clouds to Parasites.

Over the weekend I'll fix up the missing bits on that pull request and try to get some eyes on it.
I've read somewhere that the modification parasites made to granular mode somehow lower the polyphony (maybe to make room for something else) and push the texture range a little further.

I don't know anything about anything, but I'd say this may or may not be why it doesn't feel like it sounds as good as the others.
Vanilla granular is amazing, only thing it misses is the grain reverse feature in my opinion.
Where the reverb sits is obviously a matter of personal preference

I think my ideal cloud would have

- Vanilla granular with grain reverse feature
- Wavepicker
- Beat Repeat
- Resonnestor
- sync'd looping delay
- one of the spectral modes (really I like both equally) or even the oliverb would be nice


having extremely basic understanding if programming (close to none, really, but not exactly none either) how difficult/expensive would it be for me to learn how to do it and actually end up doing it? (I have no idea), does it require a complete code redesign or is it more of a "copy/paste" bits of code together? or something in between?

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Post by adh82 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:39 am

Emmanuel G wrote: I think my ideal cloud would have

- Vanilla granular with grain reverse feature
- Wavepicker
- Beat Repeat
- Resonnestor
- sync'd looping delay
- one of the spectral modes (really I like both equally) or even the oliverb would be nice
Plus one for this selection of awesome modes!

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Post by xorsister » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:37 pm

So i managed to compile it as a WAV - so if anyone interested - here's a link :)


Works perfect - and reverb on beat-repeat mode makes it even better!
:yay:

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Post by xorsister » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:41 pm

Also if anyone is able to shine some light on the ability of the regular granular mode to NOT have a pre-delay (seed grains in realtime with an input signal if position knob is in the leftmost position) - it will be very cool! May want to mess with code a bit..
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Post by starmandeluxe » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:52 am

xorsister wrote:So i managed to compile it as a WAV - so if anyone interested - here's a link :)


Works perfect - and reverb on beat-repeat mode makes it even better!
:yay:
THERE WE GO! Thanks for the special delivery! Gonna have a blast with this later. Reverb + beat repeat was what I was missing!

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Post by Roy72 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:07 am

I just installed 0.42 but it seems to have gone a but pear-shaped. Original Clouds and the BeatRepeat work fine (likin' beat repeat), but the spectral stuff and delay are really noisy (with no distortion). Have tried re-installing and have also re-downloaded and installed again, same problem,. Any tips?

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Post by jwise » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:05 pm

th0mas wrote:Over the weekend I'll fix up the missing bits on that pull request and try to get some eyes on it.
@th0mas any update on packing up a build for others to test?

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Post by th0mas » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:48 am

I pinged some people on the PR, hopefully they chime in with an overall +1 or -1 on the idea.

If it's a go I'll clean up the remaining bits and pieces.

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Post by jwise » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:32 am

th0mas wrote:I pinged some people on the PR, hopefully they chime in with an overall +1 or -1 on the idea.

If it's a go I'll clean up the remaining bits and pieces.
I just went over and added my wishes for these to be merged, to include Spectal Clouds too!

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Post by th0mas » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:28 am

Looks like Parasites is not maintained any more. I might play with taking the best bits of it (Resonator, Oliverb) and adding them to the Kammerl firmware.

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Post by jwise » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:33 am

It's always nice to get blessing first but as the hardware is Open Source and these firmware alternatives must touch into that foundation, it would make sense that others have the right to work with what has been put in to the world of Open Source and make derivatives, especially when trying first to tread with a soft touch. So please get these merging so we can have the most awesome all around features :)

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Post by th0mas » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:15 am

jwise wrote:It's always nice to get blessing first but as the hardware is Open Source and these firmware alternatives must touch into that foundation, it would make sense that others have the right to work with what has been put in to the world of Open Source and make derivatives, especially when trying first to tread with a soft touch. So please get these merging so we can have the most awesome all around features :)
sure, but 100 abandoned firmwares help nobody. If you're drastically in a rush use that build that was posted a page ago.

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Post by jwise » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:30 am

th0mas wrote: If you're drastically in a rush use that build that was posted a page ago.
No rush. I'm happy waiting for you to work through the process of bringing together the best elements of the disparate pieces.

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Post by donrock » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:27 am

th0mas wrote:I might play with taking the best bits of it (Resonator, Oliverb) and adding them to the Kammerl firmware.
Thank you so much for doing this! Of course, also big thanks to the devs behind parasites and kammerl firmwares, but to have both in one... That will make for the ultimate clouds firmware!

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Post by ignatius » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:32 am

just bumping this in hopes of news/updates etc..

i forget which version of the kammerl FW i have on my clouds.. but i dig it.. i don't think it's a version w/the wavepicker mode.. .

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Post by jwise » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:52 am

Adding to the bump as I too would like to see @th0mas bring an official release forward.

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