Buchla-compatible adaptations of Mutable modules

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Post by Opus110 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:55 am

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Post by Soundoferror » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:19 pm

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Post by Cobramatic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:29 pm

Really like these. :sb:
Ive been using Euroack with Buchla for sometime now and have an 'audio processor' rack for Clouds, Erbe Verbe and Phonogene and was planning to add Rings and / or Rainmaker.
Of course having them as Buchla compatable panels with nana cv's would be wonderful.
Open source modules like the MI stuff is a great option for porting across. I guess it is a lot less likely with the Make Noise stuff - even though ironically many of their models are based on Buchla anyway.

Looking forward to see how these modules develop :yay:

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Post by dopefiend » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:01 am

BEAUTIFUL!!!

The Rings, oh the Rings.....My precious, gives it to me!

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My point is, maybe adding some feature(s) that could otherwise not be had with the already-existent euro iteration, to make them more appealing...

I personally love the idea. :hyper: :w00t:
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Post by askthedust » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:10 am

Rings is the only module I miss of my long gone huge euro system. Color me super mega interested :)

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Post by erstlaub » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:47 am

OT but a while back I was considering getting some alt panels for eurorack versions done as I had some spare skirted Davies sitting around (yes I know the logic is a bit flawed there), here's where I got to before common sense prevailed.

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Post by eyetomymoon » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:25 am

erstlaub wrote:These look so damn good I'd be tempted by euro versions of the buchla versions of the euro versions.

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erstlaub wrote:OT but a while back I was considering getting some alt panels for eurorack versions done as I had some spare skirted Davies sitting around (yes I know the logic is a bit flawed there), here's where I got to before common sense prevailed.

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Re: Buchla-compatible adaptations of Mutable modules

Post by J3RK » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:59 pm

sempervirent wrote:I've been working on some Buchla-compatible versions of several Mutable Instruments modules and I wanted to share the first two for feedback. Each module is getting a new PCB design with all the necessary changes to accommodate Buchla CV/audio levels, power requirements, etc.

Dual Algorithmic Oscillator is essentially two Braids in one panel (taking a slight cue from the 258). Digital Resonator is based on Rings, with some changes to allow the internal normalizations to work with banana jacks. Both of these are in development now, with others to follow.

Olivier has given his permission for this project and I'm very grateful to him for publishing his design files under an open-source license. Source files for these modules will be published under the same license (CC-BY-SA-3.0) as required.

Please comment if you're interested or have feedback... I'll be sharing more details as things take shape.

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Those look good! I agree with the poster that suggested using the lower case font for parts of the panels. I didn't really notice that at first, but after looking at some other B&A panels, it looks like that would make it a little more consistent. Otherwise they look perfect. :tu:
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Post by sempervirent » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:10 pm

Ginko wrote:Interested - but will they carry a Buchla price tag?
Good question... the most important variable is demand (currently unknown, although the responses in this thread are encouraging). They will certainly cost less than a typical 200e module.
erstlaub wrote:These look so damn good I'd be tempted by euro versions of the buchla versions of the euro versions.
Thanks, that's quite a compliment! Nice work on your EuroBuchla alt panels too.
Cobramatic wrote:I guess it is a lot less likely with the Make Noise stuff - even though ironically many of their models are based on Buchla anyway.
Ha, yes that is ironic. The 200 series has most analog functions covered, so the digital modules in Eurorack are some of the most interesting "gaps" in the Buchla world. That's one reason why I wanted to try some Mutable conversions.
dopefiend wrote:My point is, maybe adding some feature(s) that could otherwise not be had with the already-existent euro iteration, to make them more appealing...
That could be possible on certain modules, although maintaining feature parity with the originals will ensure that any future firmware updates (or alternate firmware such as Bees-in-the-Trees or Parasites) can be easily installed. Adding extra attenuators, switches, trigger inputs, etc – anything that stays "analog" – is more feasible due to the larger format.
J3RK wrote:I agree with the poster that suggested using the lower case font for parts of the panels. I didn't really notice that at first, but after looking at some other B&A panels, it looks like that would make it a little more consistent.
In general, Don's application of lowercase type was dependent on whether or not there was an all-caps section label within a functional block. He used lowercase as a form of secondary labeling, like you'd use an H2 tag in HTML code. My layouts don't have section labels so it's actually consistent with the original treatment (although it's arguable that not using section labels is inconsistent). 200 and 200e don't use the same typeface either, so there's already a divergence there... and I'm using a slightly different typeface than either. I'm OK with "Buchla-esque" versus identical.

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Post by Hiflygunther » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:19 am

Really interested too!!!

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Post by J3RK » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:53 am

sempervirent wrote:
J3RK wrote:I agree with the poster that suggested using the lower case font for parts of the panels. I didn't really notice that at first, but after looking at some other B&A panels, it looks like that would make it a little more consistent.
In general, Don's application of lowercase type was dependent on whether or not there was an all-caps section label within a functional block. He used lowercase as a form of secondary labeling, like you'd use an H2 tag in HTML code. My layouts don't have section labels so it's actually consistent with the original treatment (although it's arguable that not using section labels is inconsistent). 200 and 200e don't use the same typeface either, so there's already a divergence there... and I'm using a slightly different typeface than either. I'm OK with "Buchla-esque" versus identical.
Makes sense, and they do look good. I actually didn't think about the functional sections that way. :party:
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Post by Peake » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:14 pm

I don't know of it's applicable here but Don used different spacing between letters in different words. "Frequency" and "Modulation" on some modules had different spacing, etc. Can't wait for these modules!
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Post by sempervirent » Thu May 04, 2017 11:40 pm

Here are the layouts for my Clouds and Elements adaptations...

Stereo Microsound Processor is an expanded Clouds, with dedicated controls for the four Blend functions. The LED displays are being split up so that they don't rely on color alone to indicate status. This also makes the switch/button operations more simple, compared to the original. Along with the input gain knob there's an output gain control scaled from ~silent to ~+6dB (the dot near the knob indicates unity gain). And all the CV inputs have inverting attenuators. Yes, it's big, but a single-panel version would have the same UI compromises as the original, and Buchla format provides the opportunity to do a "proper" version of the module.

Modal Synthesis Voice is more straightforward... apart from reorganizing the layout a bit, it's more similar to Elements, no functional changes.

More coming later, these four are keeping me busy for now...

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Post by Synesthesia » Fri May 05, 2017 2:54 am

any idea of timeline for release of these modules ?

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Post by APETECHNOLOGY » Fri May 05, 2017 3:27 am

sempervirent,
such nice designs.
please make them a reality!
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Post by Vortico » Sat May 06, 2017 12:37 pm

These look amazing! I wish I had the money for a Buchla 200-style now.
Elements is so sophisticated with everything CV controllable, I can't think of anything else I'd want to add to Modal Synthesis Voice.
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Does this mean that once someone makes Euro-adaptations of the Grayscale Buchla-format Mutable modules, we can install them in our Buchla 200 racks?

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Post by Synesthesia » Mon May 08, 2017 2:52 am

Elements is so sophisticated with everything CV controllable, I can't think of anything else I'd want to add to Modal Synthesis Voice.
Hold my beer ;p our version is widely different. I don't like to brag before our prototype is up and running, but there is a lot of thing which can be added to an Elements ;)

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Post by Goldenage2012 » Tue May 09, 2017 6:44 am

Really gorgeous :love:

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Post by phonkmeister » Tue May 09, 2017 7:56 am

Esthetics are cool but:

Clouds: while I like the splitting of the blend knob into discrete knobs I really hate it to be 2 units wide (I sold clouds twice because of that damned blend knob).

For both modules: I can't understand the point of having audio I/O in the center. That's bad design.

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Post by sempervirent » Tue May 09, 2017 7:11 pm

Thanks for the comments guys...

@phonkmeister I feel the same way about the Blend knob on the original Clouds module. The layout has to grow to accommodate the extra I/O and controls. Re: the audio I/O being in the center, I guess that depends on where the module is installed in a system and how things are patched.

In other news, the Digital Resonator panel and PCB fit together nicely (final panel will be brushed). Moving on...

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Post by meatcliff » Tue May 09, 2017 8:53 pm

yes! please.

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Post by phonkmeister » Tue May 09, 2017 10:42 pm

It really looks gorgeous!

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Post by phonkmeister » Tue May 09, 2017 11:12 pm

What I meant in my previous comment (didn't mean to be so nasty as it looks, I'm sorry, I should have reread it before posting) is that in my experience audio outs are always on top of the module while inputs are usually at the bottom. Putting them in the middle looks weird to me.

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Post by Synesthesia » Wed May 10, 2017 2:18 am

I'm sorry, I should have reread it before posting) is that in my experience audio outs are always on top of the module while inputs are usually at the bottom. Putting them in the middle looks weird to me.
it does look a bit out of place on elements - i could see the cables being in the way of the hands.

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