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Baloran 'The River' - 8 voice analog synth
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Author Baloran 'The River' - 8 voice analog synth
The Disquiet
New polyphonic synth announced by Baloran "The River", based on the Moog Source

Specs:
• 8 voice polyphony,
• 2 VCOs/voice, based on the Moog Source, but more advanced
• Ladder VCF
• VCO mod via ENV, PWM, FM
• Discrete LFOs & ENVs (2x) + global digital LFO
• 8 x multi-timbral
• Arpeggiator & Sequencer/Voic
• 5 Oct Fatar TP/8S Keyboard
• Analog TriChorus
• Modulation matrix
• Velocity sensitive: attack velocity and release velocity
• aftertouch channel with a option for aftertouch affect all pressed keys or just last key, lowest key or highest key.

Price will be around 4200 ex VAT

More info here:
http://www.baloran.com/store/index.php?route=journal2/blog/post&journa l_blog_post_id=20

Demo's sound very promising love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ErAR8WuwVQ

There is also a thread on Gearslutz: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electroni c-music-production/1136256-baloran-rivera-synthesizer-mind-blown.html



CoreInside
8 x multi-timbral

beast!
paperCUT
Sounds fantastic!
The Disquiet
Pre-ordering has started, batch of 20 synths, restricted to France and neighbouring countries.

http://www.baloran.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_i d=277

I understand the first 15 are already sold...
SlayerBadger!
ludotex
Some sounds snippets here:

https://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-analogique/baloran/the-river/editor ial/tests/quand-l-analo-coule-a-flot.html

Sorry review in french...

Sounds great!
big job head
that sound!!!!! MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING
nuromantix
Since the whole "analogue" revival this is the first time I have heard a synth and just thought it sounds as good as the best vintage synths.
estin
applause sounds and looks great. Love the size and form factor.
bitflip
Sounds like an over $5k instrument should sad banana
anselmi
wow...this is really impressive! that sound! love love love
bkbirge
If preorders were available for US folks I'd be on the list. I'd love to compare booty size side by side with my memorymoog.
dougt
bkbirge wrote:
If preorders were available for US folks I'd be on the list. I'd love to compare booty size side by side with my memorymoog.


Lacking the third oscillator per voice is a big difference. :(
tobb
dougt wrote:
bkbirge wrote:
If preorders were available for US folks I'd be on the list. I'd love to compare booty size side by side with my memorymoog.


Lacking the third oscillator per voice is a big difference. :(


Yep,and he ignored the suggestion to add a third one!

Overpriced synth imo.
Kazremark
Sounds great, so who cares. I don't think poly synths need to have three oscillators per voice.
nadafarms
Sounds better than the Moog One
anselmi
nadafarms wrote:
Sounds better than the Moog One


yep...I think the same
cranleigh
nadafarms wrote:
Sounds better than the Moog One


Far better. I really think that there will be a lot of buyer's remorse on the part of people who have sold off a bunch of stuff to fund one of those. The Baloran demos have so much more weight to the sound, and a much more beautiful filter tone.
calaveras
for all your Balearic Beats.
Exhale
What I heard from demos I could find was superb.
Definately shall follow this project.
That sound is there... )
nadafarms
cranleigh wrote:
nadafarms wrote:
Sounds better than the Moog One


Far better. I really think that there will be a lot of buyer's remorse on the part of people who have sold off a bunch of stuff to fund one of those. The Baloran demos have so much more weight to the sound, and a much more beautiful filter tone.


I agree, for the last month you couldn’t find a deckards dream used anywhere, then the Moog One comes and 4 of them pop up cheap within 2 days and I just scored a DD for under 3k I’m so stoked and was about to buy one new.

Everything from Moog once they made the slim phatty has sounded the same and the One just sounds like a bunch of tricked out slim/sub phatty voices to me, pass....
Panason
The Moogone has got that juicy new SVF filter so it will sound more interesting. It sounds amazing in fact, but I would buy a campervan instead.
jabs
Lots of activity at GS about this one. I still don't get it. Very exclusive price for what amounts to just another 2VCO 8-voice poly with some better routing, a great chorus and multitimbrality.

Also, no real support stateside on such a complex instrument is daunting...
Sir Ruff
jabs wrote:
Lots of activity at GS about this one. I still don't get it. Very exclusive price for what amounts to just another 2VCO 8-voice poly with some better routing, a great chorus and multitimbrality.

Also, no real support stateside on such a complex instrument is daunting...


I don't think price should really be a consideration. Studio Electronics stuff is equally expensive but without a keyboard, and I never really hear complaints about the price.
Stereotactixxx
It may be
jabs wrote:
just another 2VCO 8-voice poly with some better routing, a great chorus and multitimbrality
but man do those demos sound astonishingly epic.

And compared to any dual VCO 8 voice poly that doesn't say DSI or Korg, the price seems pretty decent.
lisa
Moog One put this in a new light, methinks. It seemed so very expensive when it was announced and now it seems like a bit of a bargain. grin
calaveras
Minor quibble, but I hate the labeling on the ADSR.
showing the same wave with different sections highlighted is fine in a well lit showroom. But in a performance situation or even most rehearsal spaces, good luck discerning that.
tobb
If it would have the same balls and w/o the chorus or fx switched on all the time (!) at least,like the Schmidt, i would have bought one.

Now its too much a one 'Triko' pony synth.

I can't imagine the Moog one with one xtra vco and multimode filter sounds less interesting or less rich.

Moog one through his Triko would blow away instantly his synth..
Sir Ruff
tobb wrote:
If it would have the same balls and w/o the chorus or fx switched on all the time (!) at least,like the Schmidt, i would have bought one.

Now its too much a one 'Triko' pony synth.

I can't imagine the Moog one with one xtra vco and multimode filter sounds less interesting or less rich.

Moog one through his Triko would blow away instantly his synth..


I'm guessing you haven't played one? Calling it a one trick pony with its effects unit suggests that.

The River is easily as sonically good as any of the classics. Moreover, it has managed to carve out its own unique niche by using the Source as its basis. The basic oscillator interactions in terms of saturation and footages are really unique and organic. The effects unit is more like icing on the cake than any sort of "requirement" for it to sound good.

I haven't played a Moog One yet, but it seems clear these two synths reside at opposite ends of the analog spectrum: the One is meant to be the be-all, end-all MODERN analog synth, in every sense of the word; the River aims to be a modern incarnation of a vintage classic. Both have achieved their goals admirably, but the One certainly isn't going to replace the River as far as vintage tone, and vice versa.
tobb
Sir Ruff wrote:


The River is easily as sonically good as any of the classics. Moreover, it has managed to carve out its own unique niche by using the Source as its basis. The basic oscillator interactions in terms of saturation and footages are really unique and organic. The effects unit is more like icing on the cake than any sort of "requirement" for it to sound good.


Its sounds good as any classic 2 vco with lopass,that is what i want to point out,so can't do miracles,the Triko on top make its special but that's a heavy price just to have that lush sound,its a bit like the Elka Synthex although a Synthex sounds weak with the chorus off due to the digital oscillators.

I would rather buy a vintage and get the Triko chorus rack.

This synth is great sounding,the problem is the price VS sound possibilities,that is why i call it a one trick pony with its fx and chorus quasi if not always on ,on every demo!

If budget is no issue,then why not.

PS: For buyers outside of the EU read this fine print:


Quote:
la gestion des douanes, la procédure d’importation temporaire pour maintenance est quasiment impossible à mettre en oeuvre pour une petite structure comme Baloran SAS. Donc si vous ne résidez pas dans un pays de l’Union Européenne et dans le cas d’une maintenance nécessaire sur l’instrument dans et hors de la période de garantie, Baloran SAS ne prendra pas en charge les frais (transports/douanes/taxes) pour l’aller/retour à l’atelier de l’instrument.


It states that if the unit has to be shipped back to FR in and after (!) the period of the warranty they can not (i read his as don't want to) arrange the paperwork for customs for returns/repairs meaning if you send the unit full insured TO and FROM you will pay again full taxes (2x) on the amount of the declared insured value!!

SO servicing will have to be likely done local.
Sir Ruff
tobb wrote:
Sir Ruff wrote:


The River is easily as sonically good as any of the classics. Moreover, it has managed to carve out its own unique niche by using the Source as its basis. The basic oscillator interactions in terms of saturation and footages are really unique and organic. The effects unit is more like icing on the cake than any sort of "requirement" for it to sound good.


Its sounds good as any classic 2 vco with lopass,that is what i want to point out,so can't do miracles,the Triko on top make its special but that's a heavy price just to have that lush sound,its a bit like the Elka Synthex although a Synthex sounds weak with the chorus off due to the digital oscillators.

I would rather buy a vintage and get the Triko chorus rack.

This synth is great sounding,the problem is the price VS sound possibilities,that is why i call it a one trick pony with its fx and chorus quasi if not always on ,on every demo!

If budget is no issue,then why not.

PS: For buyers outside of the EU read this fine print:


Quote:
la gestion des douanes, la procédure d’importation temporaire pour maintenance est quasiment impossible à mettre en oeuvre pour une petite structure comme Baloran SAS. Donc si vous ne résidez pas dans un pays de l’Union Européenne et dans le cas d’une maintenance nécessaire sur l’instrument dans et hors de la période de garantie, Baloran SAS ne prendra pas en charge les frais (transports/douanes/taxes) pour l’aller/retour à l’atelier de l’instrument.


It states that if the unit has to be shipped back to FR in and after (!) the period of the warranty they can not (i read his as don't want to) arrange the paperwork for customs for returns/repairs meaning if you send the unit full insured TO and FROM you will pay again full taxes (2x) on the amount of the declared insured value!!

SO servicing will have to be likely done local.


Yes, I agree that it is not breaking any molds as far as architecture. And I also agree that it could be cheaper--but only if it was being made by a larger company. And no other company, aside from SE, are making comparable polysynths these days so it is what it is.

The servicing issue is no riskier than buying a vintage poly and having to ship it across the country. Also, for smaller fixes like individual voice cards, Laurent will just sent a replacement. No need to take or ship the whole machine anywhere. I actually can't foresee any issue being so major that it would require the whole synth to be shipped back to him.
tobb
Sir Ruff wrote:


The servicing issue is no riskier than buying a vintage poly and having to ship it across the country. Also, for smaller fixes like individual voice cards, Laurent will just sent a replacement. No need to take or ship the whole machine anywhere. I actually can't foresee any issue being so major that it would require the whole synth to be shipped back to him.


Yes but its not a vintage,note that this would also not cover any major damage during shipping --> you will be refunded by the insurance but when he send a new synth you will again pay taxes on the value of the synth/parcel...!!
Sir Ruff
tobb wrote:
Sir Ruff wrote:


The servicing issue is no riskier than buying a vintage poly and having to ship it across the country. Also, for smaller fixes like individual voice cards, Laurent will just sent a replacement. No need to take or ship the whole machine anywhere. I actually can't foresee any issue being so major that it would require the whole synth to be shipped back to him.


Yes but its not a vintage,note that this would also not cover any major damage during shipping --> you will be refunded by the insurance but when he send a new synth you will again pay taxes on the value of the synth/parcel...!!


Sure... so I guess this is just a risk you have to decide on!
h4ndcrafted
Nom.

Birth_Chord
Sounds excellent...
CosmicFlight
One of the best sounding poly synth
tobb
CosmicFlight wrote:
One of the best sounding poly synth


With th FX turned on or off?
UltraViolet
Beautiful sound! For what it is, the price is not really out of line, but it is still a lot of money for most folks.
maisonvague
Sir Ruff wrote:
The River is easily as sonically good as any of the classics. Moreover, it has managed to carve out its own unique niche by using the Source as its basis. The basic oscillator interactions in terms of saturation and footages are really unique and organic. The effects unit is more like icing on the cake than any sort of "requirement" for it to sound good.


Well said. Couldn't agree more.

The River sounds every bit as good as any vintage poly I've ever played with or without the Triko.

It's not a case where if you take away the FX, one is left with a thin, weak or ordinary tone. While the raw tone may not be "exceptional" like say that of an Oberheim 8-voice, it is certainly on par with most of the classics.

It's true, however, that it was designed with Triko integration in mind. So theoretically it supposed to sound its best when using it. But like most synths with onboard FX, personally I think it sounds best through dedicated outboard units.

Part of this has to do with easier control over parameters and levels when using outboard FX. It's easy to degrade the sound of The River through the Triko with inappropriate levels.

Complex FX integration with analog synths is a tricky business.

From the perspective of a modular enthusiast, The River is a dream tool. The integrated River Key 8-voice polyphonic CV/GATE controller allows it to serve as central command for a modular setup.

With individual outputs for each of the 8-voices, and easy front panel voice assignments, one can send out oscillators on "missions" to the modular to "gather information" and either return it to central command via the Triko audio input or onward to an external mixer for further processing. Independent control of up to four layers of sounds or synth voices is possible from The River Key.

It's also MPE compatible, which opens up another world of possibilities.

In a nutshell, The River rocks. nanners

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