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Using Compression in live modular settings

Post by RGB » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:39 pm

Is anyone using compression in live eurorack settings? I was side chaining the bass drum in my set up for a while and then moved over to a more stereo oriented work flow and was wondering if anyone thinks it is worthwhile and HP to use stereo mix bus compression or any other suggestions someone might have in getting the drums to punch through the mix

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Post by ersatzplanet » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:52 pm

For me, and for the type of music I typically make, the main use of compression is with very high ratios settings, used as a hard limiter. This is mainly to act as a "speaker saver" for the PA I will be using.
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Post by notmiserlouagain » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:42 pm

ersatzplanet wrote:For me, and for the type of music I typically make, the main use of compression is with very high ratios settings, used as a hard limiter. This is mainly to act as a "speaker saver" for the PA I will be using.
Yes, I have used simple RNLA for that with good results.

Much more important to get the sound ok via PA and speakers.

If you play stuff like this, a compressor might come in handy too:
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Post by felixer » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:30 pm

ersatzplanet wrote:For me, and for the type of music I typically make, the main use of compression is with very high ratios settings, used as a hard limiter. This is mainly to act as a "speaker saver" for the PA I will be using.
this is a good reason ... getting a pa with mucho reserve is even better.
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Post by ster » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:55 am

Instead of compression, I've always tended to use just a slight bit of saturation on the amplitude peaks, also functioning as a "speaker saver" to tame the transients. I feel that compressors on certain synthesizer signal types make it a bit too "grabby".

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Post by snakejaw » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:37 pm

I often use a compressor before and after my Sherman Filterbank. Before to even out the incoming signal when I want the FB to be more "controlled". After to save my ears, headphones, speakers when I inadvertently turn a knob and it creates and explosion (!)

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Post by Hainbach » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:57 pm

I use the Bugbrand Stereo compress to both save speakers and shape the sound. For the powwow live streams I organize in Berlin we have one on the mixer to protect from clipping. I found the Bugbrand so essential that I won't play without it.

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Post by mt3 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:21 pm

Two compressors: fast for transients and slow opticalesque for smoothing.
Mindset to have is you're in a pseudo-mastering environment while working on a mix live in real-time.

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Post by durwin » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:05 am

I like two styles: one for hard popping drums (alla Idioteque) and one to just gently squeeze the whole mix in to place.

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Post by The Grump » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:36 pm

I slap a dbx 166 into the master insert as a speaker saver. Makes the house engineers breathe easier.

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Post by slumberjack » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:42 pm

i take a alesis nanocomp used for 40$ with me to the gigs and use it as a limiter, so that i don't have to worry about going wild on the cutoff. actually i like to take the fmr rnc with me too to gompress the master out befor the limiter, it's nice on high transients i think, but try to keep my live setup as small as possible.

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Post by noisejockey » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:03 am

For playing live in a venue, yes, every time. RNLA or the Kompressor Eurorack module. I use a MSCL in my drum rack but that's for tone and dynamics, not protecting the audience.

For playing live in the studio, never. If you overcompress, it's unrecoverable. For studio work just record at 24 bit and give yourself oodles of headroom. No need to record hot. If you are tracking to tape, it's a little different; then you really need to rehearse to test your levels, set bias carefully, and decide how hard to hit the tape.

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Post by mousegarden » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:02 am

I use one of these, across the modular mix buss, it's there all the time, not for any creative reasons, I don't know why this compressor is revered in some circles, it just sounds like what goes through it on "sensible" settings, I just inherited the thing.
I use it on 2.5 ratio, medium/low threshold, medium attack and release, no limiting. Just stops my modular from peaking out.

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Post by The Grump » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:25 am

Lucky bastard. That IS a nice compressor.

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Post by mousegarden » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:12 am

The Grump wrote:Lucky bastard. That IS a nice compressor.
Ha Ha! Well, it looks nice! It's quite smooth, sort of effortless if that makes sense. I have a few other cheap comps and they sound a bit pinched in comparison, they aern't that expensive here in the UK you can get them for £150/£200.

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Post by noisejockey » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:21 pm

Now's a great time to remind the world that Tom's got more Bugbrand Stereo Compressors available in his shop! Hainbach is a huge fan, they're intense little beasts!

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Post by mousegarden » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:10 am

noisejockey wrote:Now's a great time to remind the world that Tom's got more Bugbrand Stereo Compressors available in his shop! Hainbach is a huge fan, they're intense little beasts!
Very tempting!

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Post by cptnal » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:35 pm

:bump:

Just scored me a BugBrand and it sounds fantastic! It's taking everything I throw at it, and it's simple and intuitive and playable. No more clipping. :party:

Oh, and it looks gorgeous too. :loves:

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Post by cheapmachines » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:05 pm

Does anyone have any experience of both the FMR RNLA and the Bugbrand Compressor?

Tom's work is always very high quality, just wondered how they stack up in terms of sound?

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Post by Chevron87 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:43 am

Interesting to hear that people are using compressors as speaker savers. Good idea!

I wonder if anyone is also using a compressor to even out the dynamics when live too? As in make the quieter parts louder and control the loudness?

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Post by Hainbach » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:21 am

cheapmachines wrote:Does anyone have any experience of both the FMR RNLA and the Bugbrand Compressor?

Tom's work is always very high quality, just wondered how they stack up in terms of sound?
I have both. The RNLA puts hairs on the chest of every signal with some lower midrange boost. Nice for Elektron boxes. Its not transparent though and fiddly to dial in correctly on stage. The Bugbrand sounds more open, is very easy to adjust and has a filter on the sidechain, which makes it much more useful standalone already. RNLA is smaller and much cheaper of course.

I use the Bugbrand now exclusively on my studio main buss and the Oto Machines Boum live, since it can do so much more than compress and still fits in my carry on. Its not the better compressor though, it just works better for me live.

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Post by BenA718 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:59 am

ster wrote:Instead of compression, I've always tended to use just a slight bit of saturation on the amplitude peaks, also functioning as a "speaker saver" to tame the transients. I feel that compressors on certain synthesizer signal types make it a bit too "grabby".
This is a great way to compress without compression! If you don’t have a desk that’s forgiving with audio signals saturating (some clip rather nastily), you can achieve the same effect with a saturation or overdrive pedal such as the strymon DECO. I submix my synths then pass the 2 bus from my sub mixer into the DECO then to FoH. Even a decent overdrive will do th same thing but it will also limit your bandwidth a bit, which you may not want..

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Post by BugBrand » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:34 pm

I've now stopped the SComp due to slow sales - I think there's one left at Elevator Sound and maybe one or two at PatchPoint. That's it then. Something of a shame - guess Compressors can be a hard sell at that price, but I'm very happy to have got the design out and have a couple for personal use (always!).

PS - wouldn't mind trying an OTO BOUM as the BAM I have is very nice.

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