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Qu-Bit Nebulae v2
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Author Qu-Bit Nebulae v2
richc90
Teaser from social media. Really interested to see how this ends up comparing to other recent granular offerings.

pitri
yea saw this too, i m interested if the alt firmware (which became Chords) will be still available help
also how it will compare to morphagene will be interesting
windspirit
Yeah I for one really wanted the nebulae for uploading pd patches so Im curious if this will still be possible.
Southfork
windspirit wrote:
Yeah I for one really wanted the nebulae for uploading pd patches so Im curious if this will still be possible.


Depends what platform they build it on. If you're interested in pd in Euro build a Terminal Tedium applause
ersatzplanet
Southfork wrote:
windspirit wrote:
Yeah I for one really wanted the nebulae for uploading pd patches so Im curious if this will still be possible.


Depends what platform they build it on. If you're interested in pd in Euro build a Terminal Tedium applause


Yes it will be interesting to see if the stay with the same processor family or change entirely. They had to change because the model of Pi they were using was end of life and they couldn't get more. That may have made them shy of using OEM computers entirely. As an owner of two Nebulae now, I'm interested in how the new processor chosen will impact the feature set. (the closer they can get to a OD ER-301 the better)
Southfork
ersatzplanet wrote:
Southfork wrote:
windspirit wrote:
Yeah I for one really wanted the nebulae for uploading pd patches so Im curious if this will still be possible.


Depends what platform they build it on. If you're interested in pd in Euro build a Terminal Tedium applause


Yes it will be interesting to see if the stay with the same processor family or change entirely. They had to change because the model of Pi they were using was end of life and they couldn't get more. That may have made them shy of using OEM computers entirely. As an owner of two Nebulae now, I'm interested in how the new processor chosen will impact the feature set. (the closer they can get to a OD ER-301 the better)


If they decide to stick with pi, putting in one of the new gen ones it will make it a powerful beast indeed!
strangegravity
I loved my Nebulae, I don't know why I sold it. I'm very interested in this.
Coemgen
Glad I've held off on getting one until now.
Qu-Bit Electronix
v2 will be able to do everything the original did, along with many new features.
More details coming soon!
Nolan Dialta
Any chance of a firmware upgrade for those OG supporters??? wink
ersatzplanet
I find this out after I just got my second Nebulae. I have too many sample players already (two ADDAC101's and two custom WaveTrigger modules).

In a way I hope it is not TOO much more advanced though I bet it is.
digidandy
Hope the v2 is able to play samples as raw samples, and not just resynthesized samples ... the main reason, and perhaps only reason, I sold the v1.
Zvark
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
v2 will be able to do everything the original did, along with many new features.
More details coming soon!


Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet! I'm just now able to afford modular and was upset because I thought this was a dead module. It seemed so awesome. Good to know it's not going away.
mapmap
Super excited about this one.
pitri
whats the status here, release date?
bobdylan
The suspense!! Live audio input would be stelllaarrrrrr...
blacklight
Qu-Bit delivered!

thanks to Analogue Zone and their super fast uploads at namm we got this awesome walktthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLGTOwPDJEE

The new encoders and the interface look super ergonomic
akrylik
blacklight wrote:
Qu-Bit delivered!

thanks to sonicstate and their super fast uploads at namm we got this awesome walktthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLGTOwPDJEE

The new encoders and the interface look super ergonomic


I thought it was analoguezone's video... hmmm.....
blacklight
akrylik wrote:
blacklight wrote:
Qu-Bit delivered!

thanks to sonicstate and their super fast uploads at namm we got this awesome walktthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLGTOwPDJEE

The new encoders and the interface look super ergonomic


I thought it was analoguezone's video... hmmm.....


OOPS!

My fault!

I had some other sonicstate ones on my other tabs so I just got confused ill edit my comment
R.U.Nuts
Does it do sound on sound recording/overdubs with the input audio?
ersatzplanet
They addressed many of the features I really wanted that were not in the two Nebulae I currently have. The end of loop pulse being a great addition for syncing. The return to normal push encoder function is very nice too.

No I have to decide on what to sell and if I still go for (and wait for) a ER-301 or a couple of these.
ignatius
if you get rid of the s in the https in the link then the video will embed

Southfork
Not sure why but i love the look of this. Has that qu-bit simplicity to the control scheme, I'm in!!!
ignatius
sounds nice. i like the features and functionality and layout. looks great for all kinds of processing/mangling etc..
bobdylan
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn this gets me hot. Guess my Clouds is moving on out in favor of this! Amazing!

we're not worthy

Any chance it'll be available in silver????
Tristana
Also a vid from sonicstate:



Seems like Morphagene for $100 cheaper, which was the next thing on my wishlist.

The question now is if I can hold off til March...
MARK27
@bobdylan - Qu-Bit offers both black and silver panel options for all their products now, I believe.
hippasus
ersatzplanet wrote:

Yes it will be interesting to see if the stay with the same processor family or change entirely. They had to change because the model of Pi they were using was end of life and they couldn't get more. That may have made them shy of using OEM computers entirely. As an owner of two Nebulae now, I'm interested in how the new processor chosen will impact the feature set. (the closer they can get to a OD ER-301 the better)

In the video he mention supercollider, puredata support, so it has to be a linux computer in there. Now which one, difficult to guess, the power consumption must be a clue.
I will be interested to know what is the speed of sampling at the cv inputs. That took me off from the tt development. Audio rate modulation is really good for experimental approaches.
g0lem
Does anyone know the actual HP/size of the v2 module?

I'm figuring out how much room to make in my box.
nihilist
Anyone catch the sampling rate on this new version?
ym2612
[quote="hippasus"]
ersatzplanet wrote:

In the video he mention supercollider, puredata support, so it has to be a linux computer in there. Now which one, difficult to guess, the power consumption must be a clue.
I will be interested to know what is the speed of sampling at the cv inputs. That took me off from the tt development. Audio rate modulation is really good for experimental approaches.


You can see that there's a backpack that has the same port layout as a Pi B+/2/3:



It's longer than a Pi A+ and it has the wrong layout to be a Pi Zero.

g0lem
g0lem wrote:
Does anyone know the actual HP/size of the v2 module?

I'm figuring out how much room to make in my box.


Figured it out. 20hp as per their twitter acct.
ywwg
given how long it takes to boot a raspi, they must be doing something tricky
Funky40
are they UK or US based ?


i´m sooo Dead Banana on this one


edit: there is btw. no info on their webpage
which seems......well, i´d like to order things in a more environment friendly way vs. shipping several times across the world.......
ersatzplanet
nihilist wrote:
Anyone catch the sampling rate on this new version?


In the SonicState video above (around the 3:20 mark) he says the one he is demoing is 48K stereo and they will try and bump it to 96K Stereo by production time. Apparently they want to add more features than demoed and that affects the sample rate. Having a 5Min sample time makes for a bunch of RAM to work with for sure.
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:
are they UK or US based ?


i´m sooo Dead Banana on this one


edit: there is btw. no info on their webpage
which seems......well, i´d like to order things in a more environment friendly way vs. shipping several times across the world.......


They are in Portland Oregon (or near Portland) last I heard.
ersatzplanet
Anyone interested on a good deal on a Nebulae v1? I have a black and silver one to sell...
matttech
ersatzplanet wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
are they UK or US based ?


i´m sooo Dead Banana on this one


edit: there is btw. no info on their webpage
which seems......well, i´d like to order things in a more environment friendly way vs. shipping several times across the world.......


They are in Portland Oregon (or near Portland) last I heard.


they're based 30mins away from NAMM now
Funky40
ahh ok, everybody Portland wink

Thanks



and : Euro samplers for shure hihi
rklem
The Mungo g0 was on my buying list to accompany Morphagene, but this looks almost like a more up-to-date version of the g0. I'd love to hear some opinions from g0 owners: Is there anything the g0 can do, which the Nebulae V2 can't? (Leaving sound quality comparisons aside, which will only make sense once the Nebulae V2 will be released.)
R.U.Nuts
Bump: is sound on sound/overdubs possible with this?
tbecker
rklem wrote:
The Mungo g0 was on my buying list to accompany Morphagene, but this looks almost like a more up-to-date version of the g0. I'd love to hear some opinions from g0 owners: Is there anything the g0 can do, which the Nebulae V2 can't? (Leaving sound quality comparisons aside, which will only make sense once the Nebulae V2 will be released.)


(1) Fit into a 12hp opening
(2) Record CV or Audio and play the result as Audio or CV (original version has a pitch CV out)
(3) Play arbitrary sample rate files
(4) Output is DC avaible

So I would say in summary the N2 looks to be closer to a Morphagene than a G0 both in size and in functionality. I like my Morphagene quite a lot and so I will need to see the N2 be able to do something new to consider it.

One question I have that would lead me to purchase the N2 is: csound or PD ect will be user loadable like in N1? And then of course I would like to know based on that answer what the CPU specs are on that backpack?

EDIT: yes for csound and PD is really nice on this unit!
rklem
Quote:
So I would say in summary the N2 looks to be closer to a Morphagene than a G0 both in size and in functionality. I like my Morphagene quite a lot and so I will need to see the N2 be able to do something new to consider it.


The biggest difference is probably that pitch/speed are always coupled in the Morphagene, while the Nebulae V2 has separate parameters for both.

Quote:
One question I have that would lead me to purchase the N2 is: csound or PD ect will be user loadable like in N1?


Yes, it's announced at about 07:00 in the linked video.



cliffemu
bobdylan wrote:
Guess my Clouds is moving on out in favor of this!


It seems like Clouds still differentiates by having a continuously updating buffer; no need to press record. Edit: I think the Nebulae can do this based on a reply from Qubit...

I wonder: can this sync loops to clock like the Disting?
tbecker
rklem wrote:
Quote:
So I would say in summary the N2 looks to be closer to a Morphagene than a G0 both in size and in functionality. I like my Morphagene quite a lot and so I will need to see the N2 be able to do something new to consider it.


The biggest difference is probably that pitch/speed are always coupled in the Morphagene, while the Nebulae V2 has separate parameters for both.

Quote:
One question I have that would lead me to purchase the N2 is: csound or PD ect will be user loadable like in N1?


Yes, it's announced at about 07:00 the linked video.




Thanks! Decoupled pitch and speed are closer to what can be done with Clouds and G0 via a tempo synced position ramp. But using a clock on Morphagene can achieve time stretching with independant pitch. Seems this workflow is more focused on N2, which might be nice for folks not well versed with tempo synced position CV. For example, a tempo synced PEG into the position inout on a Mungo G0 can do forwards or backwards playback with seperate pitch control.
Southfork
[quote="ym2612"]
hippasus wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:

In the video he mention supercollider, puredata support, so it has to be a linux computer in there. Now which one, difficult to guess, the power consumption must be a clue.
I will be interested to know what is the speed of sampling at the cv inputs. That took me off from the tt development. Audio rate modulation is really good for experimental approaches.


You can see that there's a backpack that has the same port layout as a Pi B+/2/3:



It's longer than a Pi A+ and it has the wrong layout to be a Pi



Pi 2/3 etc might make it a bit of power hungry beast. I think the TT with pi 2 was running at around 200ma so if this has another pcb of stuff could be more.

Saying that it also makes it a powerful module. Even from the demo I’m liking the tone and features of the granular processing much more than the morphagene.

The G0 was ok but After delving into pure data it became clear it was only doing something very simple. Really Looking forward to the N2.
ersatzplanet
tbecker wrote:
One question I have that would lead me to purchase the N2 is: csound or PD ect will be user loadable like in N1? And then of course I would like to know based on that answer what the CPU specs are on that backpack?

EDIT: yes for csound and PD is really nice on this unit!


He talks about it on the Sonic State video above, around the 5:30 mark. They will make it easier than it was on the v1 Nebulae and will have more tools and tutorials on the v2.
maaaks
R.U.Nuts wrote:
Bump: is sound on sound/overdubs possible with this?


I'd like to know this too!

This is the first Qu-Bit module I've actually interested in, though I'm somewhat torn about the cound/supercollider/pd stuff. Feels like that's my computers job hihi
Tristana
'nother NAMM vid:

rklem
Quote:
But using a clock on Morphagene can achieve time stretching with independant pitch.


I don't want to correct you, but that might be misleading for potential Morphagene buyers. This is a special mode, which requires specific Clock/Morph rates. It has a limited range and sounds quite rough/chopped, even with minimal Gene Size settings, so it's far from smooth time stretching.
Qu-Bit Electronix
R.U.Nuts wrote:
Does it do sound on sound recording/overdubs with the input audio?

Yes. It will be able to do sound on sound, or destructive overdub recording.
More videos and feature overviews will be coming soon as we near release. Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!
R.U.Nuts
Thanks for the info!
ersatzplanet
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!


Is the unit AC coupled? I use stereo WAV players now and sometimes use one channel for the loop and the other channel for a "beep" track to derive synchronized gates from, that stay in time with the loop. I have to use "beep" tracks and a Envelope follower with gate extraction to get the gates because they are AC coupled, and it would be nice if I could just record gates directly. I know this is a quite obscure use case, but thought I would ask anyway.
Funky40
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!

how´s the capabilitys to mangle live audio stream with the new Nebulae ?
not seen anything in any Demo in this regard......or i missed it.

VERY excited for this Module !
in fact my personal hiliight of this Namm, and more so, from all samplers in euro i saw, exactly what i allways wanted to get my hands on.



ersatzplanet wrote:
I know this is a quite obscure use case, but thought I would ask anyway.

no obscure usecase.
totally pro. thats how euro is ticking, and where yer DAW has to bail out ? and any MPC , etc., not ?
Cobramatic
ersatzplanet wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!


Is the unit AC coupled? I use stereo WAV players now and sometimes use one channel for the loop and the other channel for a "beep" track to derive synchronized gates from, that stay in time with the loop. I have to use "beep" tracks and a Envelope follower with gate extraction to get the gates because they are AC coupled, and it would be nice if I could just record gates directly. I know this is a quite obscure use case, but thought I would ask anyway.


This is a genius idea James!
Thanks for sharing.
It is obvious when you think about it but that's such a great way to get specific syncing with events in your loop, particularly when mangling the loop in various ways.
I use a Phonogene which obviously is only mono and could not do that trick - but I'm watching the Nebulae 2 closely to possibly upgrade.
This feature would be awesome for me.
g0lem
ersatzplanet wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!


Is the unit AC coupled? I use stereo WAV players now and sometimes use one channel for the loop and the other channel for a "beep" track to derive synchronized gates from, that stay in time with the loop. I have to use "beep" tracks and a Envelope follower with gate extraction to get the gates because they are AC coupled, and it would be nice if I could just record gates directly. I know this is a quite obscure use case, but thought I would ask anyway.


Not really that obscure. I'd like to know if any outs other than the EOS pulse out are DC-Coupled.

One could do some interesting PD sequencing if that were the case.
bobdylan
Funky40 wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Let us know any questions or feature requests and we'll respond!

how´s the capabilitys to mangle live audio stream with the new Nebulae ?
not seen anything in any Demo in this regard......or i missed it.


This is something I'm wondering about too! Can it do things like live pitched echo or reversed echo without recording something into the buffer? Similar to how Clouds handles incoming audio? It'll be a no brainer for me if it has good live input capabilities. love love love
tom moody
Comparing it V.1, I see the midi port is missing. Also, in the video I watched he didn't mention One Shot Mode. I wonder if it's still available.
Latency is an issue for me with V.1. There was some discussion back then regarding "streaming from the USB" vs "loading it all into RAM" having an impact on latency. I wonder how V.2 handles it...
ersatzplanet
tom moody wrote:
Comparing it V.1, I see the midi port is missing. Also, in the video I watched he didn't mention One Shot Mode. I wonder if it's still available.
Latency is an issue for me with V.1. There was some discussion back then regarding "streaming from the USB" vs "loading it all into RAM" having an impact on latency. I wonder how V.2 handles it...


The original Nebulae never streamed from the USB, it has always been from memory. Streaming from memory will always be faster than from the media.
That is why there was a maximum wave length and you had a load time fore the stick when you booted up. This new version has a newer Processor board than the first version so the latency may be less too.
Funky40
???
answers from the HQ
???
Qu-Bit Electronix
Quote:
Is the unit AC coupled?

Yes, it is AC coupled. The reason for this is that the codec we're using specifies DC blocking caps in the data sheet and in our experience has improved the audio quality.


Quote:
Can it do things like live pitched echo or reversed echo without recording something into the buffer? Similar to how Clouds handles incoming audio? It'll be a no brainer for me if it has good live input capabilities.

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.
Also, we will be developing and supporting alternate firmware files. This will allow for any unique instrument design via Pure Data, SuperCollider, and Csound. (Or even a bare bones C program)!


Quote:

Also, in the video I watched he didn't mention One Shot Mode. I wonder if it's still available.
Latency is an issue for me with V.1. There was some discussion back then regarding "streaming from the USB" vs "loading it all into RAM" having an impact on latency. I wonder how V.2 handles it...

One shot mode is still present and has been re designed for the new interface. Latency has been substantially improved and can now function as a drum machine in time with the rest of your system. V2 loads all files into memory.
ersatzplanet
I just saw a posting where someone has made a program that converts Nord Modular G2 patches into CSound patches. I doubt that they would run on this, but it will be one thing to try out for sure.
Mirrorad
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Quote:
Is the unit AC coupled?

Yes, it is AC coupled. The reason for this is that the codec we're using specifies DC blocking caps in the data sheet and in our experience has improved the audio quality.


Quote:
Can it do things like live pitched echo or reversed echo without recording something into the buffer? Similar to how Clouds handles incoming audio? It'll be a no brainer for me if it has good live input capabilities.

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.
Also, we will be developing and supporting alternate firmware files. This will allow for any unique instrument design via Pure Data, SuperCollider, and Csound. (Or even a bare bones C program)!


Quote:

Also, in the video I watched he didn't mention One Shot Mode. I wonder if it's still available.
Latency is an issue for me with V.1. There was some discussion back then regarding "streaming from the USB" vs "loading it all into RAM" having an impact on latency. I wonder how V.2 handles it...

One shot mode is still present and has been re designed for the new interface. Latency has been substantially improved and can now function as a drum machine in time with the rest of your system. V2 loads all files into memory.


I'm ready to pre-order now. Please, take my money we're not worthy
bobdylan
Yep, I'm sold. Hand me the link. applause
Funky40
thanks for the feedback @ qu´bit.
very excited for this module.
hope you ship fast to switzerland, and not months later


edit: nevertheless, i totally would like to see some footage with the Nebulae-II doing some livesignal mangling
bobdylan
oops [delete this]

d'oh!
strangegravity
...... take my money
Mashmore
I too would like to give you funds!
g0lem
Mashmore wrote:
I too would like to give you funds!


Perfect Circuit is doing pre-orders!
Mashmore
g0lem wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
I too would like to give you funds!


Perfect Circuit is doing pre-orders!


Good to know... but i will say this about perfect circuit preorders... they take preorders even if they aren't allocated any modules. I learned this the hard way with the folktek alters. preordered months in advance of the release and they got zero modules.

Let the record show: at the end of the day perfect circuit has been great to me in terms of service. This is just a word of warning in regards to preorders.
dooj88
Mashmore wrote:
g0lem wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
I too would like to give you funds!


Perfect Circuit is doing pre-orders!


Good to know... but i will say this about perfect circuit preorders... they take preorders even if they aren't allocated any modules. I learned this the hard way with the folktek alters. preordered months in advance of the release and they got zero modules.

Let the record show: at the end of the day perfect circuit has been great to me in terms of service. This is just a word of warning in regards to preorders.


that's good to know, but delivery is ultimately is in the hands of the supplier, not the retailer. per-orders are a sign of good faith between the vendor and the company to deliver in a timely manner.

qu-bit is a bit larger and have been around longer, and therefore i would think more reliable in terms of delivering product.
Mashmore
dooj88 wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
g0lem wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
I too would like to give you funds!


Perfect Circuit is doing pre-orders!


Good to know... but i will say this about perfect circuit preorders... they take preorders even if they aren't allocated any modules. I learned this the hard way with the folktek alters. preordered months in advance of the release and they got zero modules.

Let the record show: at the end of the day perfect circuit has been great to me in terms of service. This is just a word of warning in regards to preorders.


that's good to know, but delivery is ultimately is in the hands of the supplier, not the retailer. per-orders are a sign of good faith between the vendor and the company to deliver in a timely manner.

qu-bit is a bit larger and have been around longer, and therefore i would think more reliable in terms of delivering product.


I totally agree. Most of the time this is THE case no doubt. But for me it’s a poor decision to just collect money. They don’t even know if they are getting any of the first run of modules, second,they seem to not know.but according to them and their site it will arrive “soon”.

They are just selling tickets to wait in line. All I guess I’m saying is be careful. You could save yourself a lot of wait time buying direct or at time of release from whomever has an allocated amount or has them in stock.

Either way!!! The new nebulae looks fooking ace!!!!
phobik
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Quote:
Is the unit AC coupled?

Yes, it is AC coupled. The reason for this is that the codec we're using specifies DC blocking caps in the data sheet and in our experience has improved the audio quality.


Quote:
Can it do things like live pitched echo or reversed echo without recording something into the buffer? Similar to how Clouds handles incoming audio? It'll be a no brainer for me if it has good live input capabilities.

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.
Also, we will be developing and supporting alternate firmware files. This will allow for any unique instrument design via Pure Data, SuperCollider, and Csound. (Or even a bare bones C program)!


Quote:

Also, in the video I watched he didn't mention One Shot Mode. I wonder if it's still available.
Latency is an issue for me with V.1. There was some discussion back then regarding "streaming from the USB" vs "loading it all into RAM" having an impact on latency. I wonder how V.2 handles it...

One shot mode is still present and has been re designed for the new interface. Latency has been substantially improved and can now function as a drum machine in time with the rest of your system. V2 loads all files into memory.


Is the unit running a pd patch/is the patch editable or will it only take pd patches with the new bootloader being developed?
22tape
love
Tonefloat01
thumbs up I’m excited to see that the Nebulae 2 is finally about to ship but I’d like to see the mentioned promise of a robust library of Csound and Pd that a user can download to the unit appear before ponying up for a pre-order.
Satanoid
Can you go from sample to sample, like individual drum sound files and trigger each sample or slice with specific voltage?
ersatzplanet
dooj88 wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
g0lem wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
I too would like to give you funds!


Perfect Circuit is doing pre-orders!


Good to know... but i will say this about perfect circuit preorders... they take preorders even if they aren't allocated any modules. I learned this the hard way with the folktek alters. preordered months in advance of the release and they got zero modules.

Let the record show: at the end of the day perfect circuit has been great to me in terms of service. This is just a word of warning in regards to preorders.


that's good to know, but delivery is ultimately is in the hands of the supplier, not the retailer. per-orders are a sign of good faith between the vendor and the company to deliver in a timely manner.

qu-bit is a bit larger and have been around longer, and therefore i would think more reliable in terms of delivering product.


I always buy direct from the manufacturer when possible. That way they get more money (the difference between dealer and retail cost) and that helps them more. Wait till it is on the Qu-Bit site and buy direct. That way you also have a direct line to the makers in case you have problems.
Mirrorad
Qu-Bit have been super-helpful to me in the past regardless of where I purchased. One of my favorite companies. The original Nebulae is still amazing.
Mirrorad
Any updates on V2 availability?
bobdylan
Mirrorad wrote:
Any updates on V2 availability?


I second this...? hyper
strangegravity
bobdylan wrote:
Mirrorad wrote:
Any updates on V2 availability?


I second this...? hyper


I 3rd this
jwm
'early march' has come and gone...no new word?
Funky40
Mirrorad wrote:
Any updates on V2 availability?

#4



i´m sooo ready, i´m soooo ready......... hihi
cptnal
Stoked too. I'm hoping for great things when I get this together with W/ hyper
namon
Late March has come and gone as well :(
blacklight
namon wrote:
Late March has come and gone as well :(


I refresh the schneiders page every day waah
cptnal
Just got mine. Freakin' amazeballs! w00t
Aaronautical001
cptnal wrote:
Just got mine. Freakin' amazeballs! w00t


Where from cptnal? I wasn't aware it had been released yet.

More insight into your first thoughts would be interesting.
Aaronautical001
Ah! Just noticed the date. Fool me....
cptnal
Bah! You guys are too quick for me. hihi
Mashmore
cptnal wrote:
Bah! You guys are too quick for me. hihi


applause

Got Me! Just put a special 24 HOUR SALE on a module I'm selling. SlayerBadger!
g0lem
At this point, I think Qu-Bit should be posting something about when we can really expect the module to be made available.
Danielblomquist
I just emailed them, new release target is mid april.
Funkydroid
So far, videos sounds very good. Not gonna be early adopters, but the trigger is ready to be pulled as soon as some user soundclips gives my finger the green flag hihi
behndy
yeahhhhhhh i have had a space set aside in my case for this foreverrrrr. SO impatient.

like. glad they're waiting till everything is ironed out and they're satisfied with their product. YES PLEASE.

but. you know.

WANT.
chupanebre
Another day. Another refresh of the Qu-Bit coming soon page...
behndy
lol. right?
g0lem
5 days to mid april.

*crickets*
Mirrorad
This is definitely the most anticipated module I've ever waited on. I reckon that this means that Qu-Bit are taking great care to be sure that this module lives up to all of the excitement around it.

chupanebre
Look! Instagram! Instagram! hyper
bobdylan
chupanebre wrote:
Look! Instagram! Instagram! hyper


Of course I've been itching for any kind of update but damn this has been "coming soon" for aaaaages

still though hyper hyper hyper
Funky40
any news ..........or problems ?
namon
It's been pretty silent in the update front confused
Funky40
personally i´d much appreciate to know about when it comes,
cause i might have to change my preorder and order from the US in case i want some other modules that won´t be here locally in stores anyway.......
handling such overseas orders is an art in itself wink ( to get all into one shipping )
ersatzplanet
Well I will be keeping my v1 Nebulae a bit longer. I got a 4ms STS and that is doing a lot of the load bearing now (able to offload the DIY WaveTrigger modules). Might change my mind when they finally come out, but my first lust for them is slowly fading. I will not let go of the two Nebulae I have though without getting new ones, such a nice piece of kit.
Mirrorad
ersatzplanet wrote:
I will not let go of the two Nebulae I have though without getting new ones, such a nice piece of kit.


Yes. I love the original so much that I have 4. They are the sound-source center-piece of my rack. So incredibly versatile, and infinite in possibilities. I will purchase the Mk2 as soon as possible, but I won't let go of the 4 originals. I'm just hoping that I am able to record 16bit mono tracks to the USB drive on the Mk2, then bounce the drive over to the originals and play the files back. Fingers crossed.

While on the topic, I made a little Mk1 Quick Guide for myself because I'm always forgetting the non-obvious functions. Not sure if this is useful to anyone but me, but here it is anyways :
Tonefloat01
Maybe they are just in ‘deep dive’ or ‘crunch mode’ before Superbooth18?
Maybe working on that extensive library of PD modules to download on day one....
dooj88
Mirrorad wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
I will not let go of the two Nebulae I have though without getting new ones, such a nice piece of kit.


Yes. I love the original so much that I have 4. They are the sound-source center-piece of my rack. So incredibly versatile, and infinite in possibilities. I will purchase the Mk2 as soon as possible, but I won't let go of the 4 originals. I'm just hoping that I am able to record 16bit mono tracks to the USB drive on the Mk2, then bounce the drive over to the originals and play the files back. Fingers crossed.

While on the topic, I made a little Mk1 Quick Guide for myself because I'm always forgetting the non-obvious functions. Not sure if this is useful to anyone but me, but here it is anyways :


do you do sample heavy work? or program them with alternate functionality? super curious how you are using 4 of them simultaneously.
Mirrorad
dooj88 wrote:
do you do sample heavy work? or program them with alternate functionality? super curious how you are using 4 of them simultaneously.


Yes, sample-heavy indeed. I got into Eurorack because I wanted to be able to make use of decades of original and old cassette and wav archives I'd recorded that either went nowhere or I'd grown bored of. It's been liberating. The Nebulaes allow me to mashup, mix, and sync files that originally were never intended to be combined. Using random gates, CV triggers, and LFOs, I can also create generative combinations that are spontaneous and full of suprises while also tapping into nostalgia and a wealth of memory context.

Also, having 4 units is actually a practical decision:

-provides a 4 track playback machine
-functions as 4 separate banks of files without having to swap out USB drives
-I can keep one or more units dedicated to the CSD or PD files giving me access to oscillators
-I can keep one unit dedicated to One-Shot mode for obvious stuff like drums and percussion, or one note samples for simple melodic lines, like piano samples
-currently I have a Gemini iKey Plus recorder that records 16bit wav files directly to the root folder of a USB drive. So, I can record a session, then immediately bounce the USB drive over to one of the Nebulae units and play back the mono recorded session and continue to manipulate it, or layer with it. I'm hoping the iKey Plus can be replaced by the Nebulae Mk2.

thumbs up
dooj88
Mirrorad wow, that's badass. reworking old stuff like that would be incredibly satisfying!
ersatzplanet
dooj88 wrote:
do you do sample heavy work? or program them with alternate functionality? super curious how you are using 4 of them simultaneously.


Though this was directed at Mirrorad, I will chime in as another person with a sample heavy rig. I currently have two Nebulae, a 4ms STS, two ADDAC 101 (on the chopping block soon), two DIY polyphonic stereo wave players based on the WaveTrigger PCB and am building up the 8-channel polyphonic wave play based on the Tsunami board.

I tend to use the rest of my rig, my Nord G2, or one of a bunch of software synths/modulars to make a fairly complex tone or sequence, burn it into media, and then play it on the modular while processing and modifying it in realtime. I have a LOT of filters and modifiers in my modular and actually only currently have 3 VCOs. I do ambient and "soundtrack" type of music so it works really well in what I do. I also don't really record anything (other than the wave files) and play exclusively in a live context so it is an easier way to get a complex, dense sound without a ton of VCOs and their associated tuning problems etc. When I want to do tonal stuff, I have plenty of MIDI boxes for that.

The different wav players offer different playing styles and things to the table so a variety really helps a lot. The 4ms STS has one feature missing on the Nebulae v1 that will be on the v2 and is a GREAT addition - the end of file trigger. I use this a lot on the STS. If you are playing a drum, bass, or sequencer loop, you can send the trigger to a clock multiplier (I use a 4ms QCD) and get a clock train that matches the beat of the loop. Very handy. The v2 Nebulae will add this and it will be much more useful on it than on the STS because it will also follow when you time-stretch the loops on the Nebulae, something you can't do on the STS.

The time-stretch without changing pitch and the pitch changing without changing time are the two reasons alone for keeping the Nebulae around. None of the other units I have will do this. The only competition I see for the Nebulae would be the ER-301 at twice the price. I have to say I have quite a lust for one of those too. The WaveTrigger and Tsunami are straight players. I use them for background ambience. They are high CD quality and can play a dozen files at once and the file lengths are only restricted by the card size. I could fake a whole performance with one of those alone. Basically use it like Abelton in a module. Haven't gone there yet though, it would be cheating.
spinalbeatz
Pre-orders up now!
Qu-Bit Electronix
Pre-Order your Nebulae today, shipping the second week of May!

We've been putting in tons of work over here and are stoked to share it with you all soon. More details and videos coming soon!

www.qubitelectronix.com/modules/nebulae
danishchairs
Ordered! This is fun!

Looking forward more details, videos and especially the new manual.

Thank you, Qu-Bit!
Funky40
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Pre-Order your Nebulae today, shipping the second week of May!



shipping:
US: 12$
Swiss: 35 $ ( which is finally on the lower side of things , imho )


just to get an idea for europeans
and to save you the time to check........wink


when will you send out to shops ? (House of Sound Basel )
i might have to wait cause shipping and import adds to it.........
and: Thanks !
exportexport
Maybe one of those stupid questions.. So please be gentle with me but what’s the main difference between the Nebulae and the Morphagene? I guess there is a significant one since there’s no “Nebulae vs. Morphagene” Thread afaik.
chupanebre
SlayerBadger!
jwm
exportexport wrote:
Maybe one of those stupid questions.. So please be gentle with me but what’s the main difference between the Nebulae and the Morphagene? I guess there is a significant one since there’s no “Nebulae vs. Morphagene” Thread afaik.


i'm sure some of this is TBD since we don't have a proper manual yet, but one of, if not the main difference is the nebulae's support of alt firmwares, should one rather use it as something that generates sound vs. just capturing it, that could be done with an alt firmware, whereas the morphagene just does its thing (and does it well, imo)

other functional things of note: neb has speed control independent of its pitch control (which one could argue with some creative patching MG can do this too) neb reads from a usb drive, morph an sd card, neb will do instant reverse without patching (again, MG can do this with creative patching) neb seems to have a bit longer of a buffer time (5 min vs 2.9 min?) the splice feature on the MG pretty much lives on planet make noise. think both support 'sound on sound' (someone correct me if i'm wrong there, thought i read something from QB confirming that somewhere) looks like neb seems (to me, anyway) to handle 'grains' differently from MG...seems more similar to clouds in that way.

so psyched for this thing. mine wlll live right next to a MG and clouds.
will be interesting to see more details in the manual, even simple stuff like, how to clear the buffer (please let it just be like, hold down the record button or something simple)
behndy
yurp. been SO impatiently waiting for this. orderrrrrrred
exportexport
Thanks jwm, that was helpful!
Riggar
Mirrorad - thanks for quick ref guide.

I do these for all my more intense modules and produce a series of 'cards' using much thicker paper and have them to hand. I'm adding yours to my set!
matttech
looks like these will be released mid-may SlayerBadger!

Just put a preorder up on my site if anyone wants in on the first batch? thumbs up
Mirrorad
Riggar wrote:
Mirrorad - thanks for quick ref guide.

I do these for all my more intense modules and produce a series of 'cards' using much thicker paper and have them to hand. I'm adding yours to my set!


cool thumbs up
Tonefloat01
Great news, but also Urgh....
My bank account hasn’t recovered yet from PH MK3.
Looks like deficit spending experiment #64665 is now in effect.
Dead Banana
tom moody
Yes, thanks for the Quick Guide. Paging back and forth in the manual was getting old!
sendhelp
It is currently the 2nd week of May. (will edit later)
digable-me
So I think I understand what all the controls do when working with recorded audio, whether samples from the USB stick or from the recorder buffer. But I'm not sure what some of the controls do when Blend is fully CW and Nebulae is processing live audio. What do Speed, Start, and Size do in this context?
atrostor
digable-me wrote:
So I think I understand what all the controls do when working with recorded audio, whether samples from the USB stick or from the recorder buffer. But I'm not sure what some of the controls do when Blend is fully CW and Nebulae is processing live audio. What do Speed, Start, and Size do in this context?


If you think in terms of general granular synthesis concepts, speed would be grain rate (i.e. how fast you are sawing grains, or how close consecutive grains are), start would refer to the position in your buffer you start to pick grains from (keep in mind that even in live processing, you're buffering your input), and size would be your grain size. Not sure if these are how they are implemented in Nebulae though.
digable-me
atrostor wrote:
digable-me wrote:
So I think I understand what all the controls do when working with recorded audio, whether samples from the USB stick or from the recorder buffer. But I'm not sure what some of the controls do when Blend is fully CW and Nebulae is processing live audio. What do Speed, Start, and Size do in this context?


If you think in terms of general granular synthesis concepts, speed would be grain rate (i.e. how fast you are sawing grains, or how close consecutive grains are), start would refer to the position in your buffer you start to pick grains from (keep in mind that even in live processing, you're buffering your input), and size would be your grain size. Not sure if these are how they are implemented in Nebulae though.


Yeah, that would make sense, but then I get confused about the relationship between Size, Density, and Overlap. Two of those parameters should determine the other. You could say that Overlap = Density x Size. So, on Clouds, you have Size and Density, and those two settings determine the amount of overlap. The Morph setting on Morphagene is basically Overlap, so there is no equivalent of Density because it isn't needed.
Gyroscope
Was I naive thinking that they would really ship the module the 2nd week of May?
behndy
they have posted on their IG a couple times that they're heading out this week. so..... don't see any reason to doubt their word?

i, for one, mad appreciate the communication and not committing to and missing date after date, instead waiting until they're ready to go.
Funky40
damn, nearly had a heartattack seeing this thread coming up



thats how young Boys turn old Man ............... lol



damn........
Gyroscope
Funky40 wrote:
damn, nearly had a heartattack seeing this thread coming up



thats how young Boys turn old Man ............... lol



damn........


Sorry man!
Qu-Bit Electronix
Shipping today!

http://www.instagram.com/p/BipJa_2FSAs/?taken-by=qubitelectronix
chupanebre
It's peanut butter jelly time! applause hyper BEST NEWS EVER!!!!!! Rockin' Banana! SlayerBadger!
behndy
moissssssst. so MOIST.
Parhelic
https://www.instagram.com/p/BipPhlEnYvL/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipdEw5glgn/
Mashmore
Anyone who purchased already get shipping info yet? So pumped for this!


EDIT: Tracking info received!!! w00t screaming goo yo SlayerBadger!
behndy
yeppers! just got my tracking deets.

SEXY TIMES.
chupanebre
Me too. Now I can stop checking my inbox every 5 minutes. thumbs up
Kingnimrod
a few examples of the Nebulae 2 in action:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiGStIvHrZT

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bie3G94Hr9A

https://www.instagram.com/p/BimbWssnJPf/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipOhgKnjzK/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipTRItHxLf/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipZmQ6nW5r/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipfrAmHiTD

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipiEPfHS57/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipkNHfHSD0
Funky40
Kingnimrod wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipTRItHxLf/

#5 , was this (VCO sound) sampled or is this a in realtime manipulated sound from the audio in ?


and THANKS !
Nice !
Kingnimrod
Funky40 wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BipTRItHxLf/

#5 , was this (VCO sound) sampled or is this a in realtime manipulated sound from the audio in ?


and THANKS !
Nice !


This particular example is a few seconds of a recorded sequence being manipulated. I have not tried “circular” recording yet, which continuously feeds the live source.
tom moody
When Qu-Bit Electronics launched Nebulae Version 2 they updated their website, and the new site no longer includes links to the "alt instruments" (C-Sound, Pure Data) and sample libraries pages (at least that I can find). Shouldn't those still be useful with Version 2?

Google is still cache-ing those pages if you search "qu-bit sample libraries" and "qu-bit alt instruments"
behndy
chupanebre wrote:
Me too. Now I can stop checking my inbox every 5 minutes. thumbs up


lol. now i'm just refreshing the USPS page every few minutes. mine's has been listed as in Pre-Shipment, but Cali is odd and slow to updare sometimes.
Mashmore
behndy wrote:
chupanebre wrote:
Me too. Now I can stop checking my inbox every 5 minutes. thumbs up


lol. now i'm just refreshing the USPS page every few minutes. mine's has been listed as in Pre-Shipment, but Cali is odd and slow to updare sometimes.

Hahahahaha! Same here! Still in preshipment too.
chriscarter
hey... anyone in the UK got a Qu-Bit Nebulae v2 yet?
cptnal
Don't think they've arrived on our shores yet. I'm signed up for an email when Jason has them in stock:

https://www.signalsounds.com/qu-bit-electronix-nebulae-mk2-eurorack-sa mpler-module
chriscarter
cptnal wrote:
Don't think they've arrived on our shores yet. I'm signed up for an email when Jason has them in stock:
https://www.signalsounds.com/qu-bit-electronix-nebulae-mk2-eurorack-sa mpler-module


Yes I am too...
preordered a couple of weeks ago.
Hopefully get an update from him soon.
behndy
yesssss now my tracking says TODAY WOOOOOT!
tomhall
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
namon
tom moody wrote:
When Qu-Bit Electronics launched Nebulae Version 2 they updated their website, and the new site no longer includes links to the "alt instruments" (C-Sound, Pure Data) and sample libraries pages (at least that I can find). Shouldn't those still be useful with Version 2?

Google is still cache-ing those pages if you search "qu-bit sample libraries" and "qu-bit alt instruments"


I noticed that, kind of freaked out for a minute. Thankfully found a thumb drive that had em all stored on em. Didn't save the interface guide manual thingies though confused
FrogStar
They stated they are modernizing the instruments/upload process for the V2. I bet the new controls map differently making the old code sub-optimal. Per the manual there are several alternative instruments pre loaded on the usb that comes with the V2.
It includes a delay/reverb and an audio pass through template. It’s very exciting.
Silentnotes
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics

Wow, that controller with sliders looks amazing. Does something like that exists in euro format? If I understand it right, every slider is sending a continous voltage? Is it bipolar or unipolar? I would love something like that. Thanks!
infovore
Silentnotes wrote:
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics

Wow, that controller with sliders looks amazing. Does something like that exists in euro format? If I understand it right, every slider is sending a continous voltage? Is it bipolar or unipolar? I would love something like that. Thanks!


https://16n-faderbank.github.io/

Work in progress. tomhall has a prototype. Each channel is spitting out unipolar 0-5V CV in Tom's example. (The thing also spits out data over other protocols simultaneously, more on that page).

It won't ever exist "in Euro Format" because it's massive - about 50HP wide, and far too long (60mm faders) to fit into a rack. But it spits out nice analogue voltages your synthesizers will enjoy.
FrogStar
Silentnotes wrote:
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics

Wow, that controller with sliders looks amazing. Does something like that exists in euro format? If I understand it right, every slider is sending a continous voltage? Is it bipolar or unipolar? I would love something like that. Thanks!


Regarding the controller, Voltage Block does this. Set the sequence length to 1 and the steps to “smooth” and it will output 8 channels of fader cv w/ instant response
Silentnotes
infovore wrote:
Silentnotes wrote:
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics

Wow, that controller with sliders looks amazing. Does something like that exists in euro format? If I understand it right, every slider is sending a continous voltage? Is it bipolar or unipolar? I would love something like that. Thanks!


https://16n-faderbank.github.io/

Work in progress. tomhall has a prototype. Each channel is spitting out unipolar 0-5V CV in Tom's example. (The thing also spits out data over other protocols simultaneously, more on that page).

It won't ever exist "in Euro Format" because it's massive - about 50HP wide, and far too long (60mm faders) to fit into a rack. But it spits out nice analogue voltages your synthesizers will enjoy.

Thank you. Something like this with 8 Batumi faders would be amazing.
Silentnotes
FrogStar wrote:
Silentnotes wrote:
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics

Wow, that controller with sliders looks amazing. Does something like that exists in euro format? If I understand it right, every slider is sending a continous voltage? Is it bipolar or unipolar? I would love something like that. Thanks!


Regarding the controller, Voltage Block does this. Set the sequence length to 1 and the steps to “smooth” and it will output 8 channels of fader cv w/ instant response

I did not know that. Thanks! VB here I come Rockin' Banana!
FrogStar
I struggle w/ VB in many ways but do really like this function. When set to 1 step the step buttons act as CV presets until you move a slider and wiggle them live. Also when set to 1 step you don’t even need to clock it which is also handy.

Now back to Nebule V2 (which should arrive tomorrow).
It’s to be the heart of my new “dream instrument”. It will sit in a 7U travel case, powered by a battery and will draw input from 2x DPA4060 microphones through a Sound Devices preamps. The idea is to wiggle in the wild incorporating soundscape sounds in real time. We’ll see.
behndy
yesssssssSSSSS. got mines in today. so PRETTY.

akrylik
It amazes me how nonchalant people are about where they put their modules when out of the case eek!

Static electricity is a real risk for bare electronics, people. Just take note of all of the mysterious module failures that get reported here on the forum.
behndy
lol. seriously? have you ever had a module fail from putting it on a t-shirt? there's being careful (discharging any static buildup before handing exposed bits is always smart), and being paranoid.
akrylik
behndy wrote:
lol. seriously? have you ever had a module fail from putting it on a t-shirt? there's being careful (discharging any static buildup before handing exposed bits is always smart), and being paranoid.


Thanks for laughing at me for trying to help. Really kind of you.

When it comes to failure due to ESD, it is really really hard to identify exactly when the event happened because it could be gradual failure or a number of ESD events that eventually led to something failing. Deducing from "I put it on a T-shirt and it still works" to placing bare electronics on any old surface is OK is not an airtight line of reasoning to me.

Hey, but don't take my word for it. I'm just a random voice on the internet. Do yourself a favor and ask someone who's opinion you respect on such matters.
behndy
personally i think it's a bit much to be worried about gently placing a module on a piece of fabric after discharging all of one's static electricity, but i get your point and thanks for the advice.

wasn't trying to be a dick, just seemed an odd reaction.
cptnal
chriscarter wrote:
cptnal wrote:
Don't think they've arrived on our shores yet. I'm signed up for an email when Jason has them in stock:
https://www.signalsounds.com/qu-bit-electronix-nebulae-mk2-eurorack-sa mpler-module


Yes I am too...
preordered a couple of weeks ago.
Hopefully get an update from him soon.


Showing in stock at Signal Sounds today. Didn't get an email though. Maybe just in this minute. hmmm.....
chriscarter
cptnal wrote:
chriscarter wrote:
cptnal wrote:
Don't think they've arrived on our shores yet. I'm signed up for an email when Jason has them in stock:
https://www.signalsounds.com/qu-bit-electronix-nebulae-mk2-eurorack-sa mpler-module

Yes I am too...
preordered a couple of weeks ago.
Hopefully get an update from him soon.

Showing in stock at Signal Sounds today. Didn't get an email though. Maybe just in this minute. hmmm.....

Yes Signal Sounds have them in stock... mine was just delivered from them. Trying it now - it's fabulous! I'll be using it in my London solo show next week.
Parhelic
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics


Thanks for the examples, really impressive!
behndy
jia. I WANT TO BE A TOM HALL WHEN I GROW UP.

... i have an Instagram Crush on his kitty too. Zelda no?
ersatzplanet
tomhall wrote:
Here's some Nebulae 2 examples (100% Neb)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh8KoKDgryZ/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BivF5MWA58i/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuuKk_gh4f/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BistUqrg5fe/?taken-by=tomhallsonics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiAXRSDAvoU/?taken-by=tomhallsonics


I run my v1 Nebule with my Synthwerks controllers much the way you show in a couple of these videos. The Nebulae series is almost designed to be played via a programmer (I dedicate a whole PGM-4X4 for each of mine) and feed them gates from FSE-4's that send the CV to filters downstream. A fader bank like you show is also great, I use a SP-4DP for that. It is nice to sometimes control two parameters oppositely at once with one fader for some wild effects, like changing the pitch up while slowing the time all with one slider.

The Nebulae have always been my favorite wav players because they are so playable. Lots of tweak able controls. It is great with a programmer - I usually have a "live" program where I move the programmers knobs in realtime, but then with a push of a button or gate in, I'm back to a "preset" space to finish the piece. Can't wait to get a new V2, gotta sell some stuff first!
Funky40
behndy wrote:
yesssssssSSSSS. ..........


......bahh




hihi




edit:
hyper hyper hyper help hyper hyper hyper
behndy
Funky40 wrote:
behndy wrote:
yesssssssSSSSS. ..........


......bahh




hihi




edit:
hyper hyper hyper help hyper hyper hyper


lol. EXACTLY.

also, how large a USB stick can the Nebs 2 take? anyone know before i bug QuBit Central?
tom moody
Thanks to FrogStar for the comment regarding the missing alt instrument pages. I had not seen anything from Qu-Bit re: "modernizing the instruments/upload process for the V2." I look forward to seeing the revised alternate instruments (or new ones). I'm still not sure why they would ditch the original sample libraries. Glad I had copies of everything!
tom moody
Since the original Nebulae is in 1382 racks (according to modulargrid.net), it seems premature to retire the legacy alt instruments and samples pages. Why take those pages down? Hosting is cheap. Again, possibly they are still up somewhere on the Qu-Bit website and I just can't find them.
Yloopz
man... this makes a choice of a sampler in my rack pretty difficult. I thought I had it sorted and I was a bout to order something else (Bitbox) but the Nebulae v2 looks and sounds nice as well, very hands-on ... hmmm.....

I am gonna wait till it hit the stores here and try it out first. Definatly on my radar...
Trebbers
Told myself I'd hold out till the new Mordax and MI granular stuff came out. Nope! lol
Southfork
Any idea what the power consumption is or platform it’s on now it’s out in the Wild? Raspberry pi? Zero? 2? 3 even?
Trebbers
No idea about the platform, but from the manual
Quote:

Current Consumption
Powered by +12V
• +12V: 318mA • -12V: 7mA
Powered by +5V
• +12V: 47mA • -12V: 7mA
• +5V: 271mA
tdball
Southfork wrote:
Any idea what the power consumption is or platform it’s on now it’s out in the Wild? Raspberry pi? Zero? 2? 3 even?


I think it's a 3, although I'm going of the micro SD card reader alone here, it doesn't have the spring that the 1/2 did, and it's definitely not a zero.
tdball
Just got mine in the mail yesterday. Spent some time last night messing around with it and a chronoblob + spring reverb. It sounds fantastic. I need to find more sound clips to mess with now.

Here's a recording from that session:

[s]https://soundcloud.com/trevo/ive-heard-it-both-ways[/s]
danishchairs
I’m looking for a little help on how to save something I record into the module.

The instructions are clear on how to switch into Live mode. I got there, then recorded about a minute of the output from Rings. Worked well. I could loop it, mangle it, switch to other files, then back to what I recorded.

I powered off the whole case for the night. When I powered it on today, my recording is gone from the Nebulae v2 (or if it’s still there, I can’t find it).

How do you record something to the USB stick? hmmm.....

Thanks!
Kingnimrod
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.
Mirrorad
Kingnimrod wrote:
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.


Well I guess that just crushed my dream of replacing my iKey Plus to record wav files to a USB drive. Damn!
danishchairs
Kingnimrod wrote:
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.

Thanks.

So, any file I want to use more than once has to be recorded onto the USB drive via another device (like a computer)? Or setup the patch again and record it back into the live buffer?

This will take a little more thinking. hmmm.....
Cortega
what?? there is no way to store a recorded File ?
Cortega
Doublepost
zanscath
I'm sure this could be fixed in a future update.
cityz3n
Cortega wrote:
what?? there is no way to store a recorded File ?


That is really a putoff, for a perfect module otherwise.
Would this be solvable with firmware updates?
sendhelp
The upgrade in sound quality from the MK1 Nebulae is extremely noticeable.
FrogStar
For those who are interested, the V2 is build on a pi 3 B board. This board has A lot of cool features. I wonder if we’ll be able to access those things through the alt instrument uploader.
Mirrorad
cityz3n wrote:
Cortega wrote:
what?? there is no way to store a recorded File ?


That is really a putoff, for a perfect module otherwise.
Would this be solvable with firmware updates?


I'm truly perplexed. Surely a recording can be saved to the USB. It's hard to imagine the Beta-Testers saying, "Meh, no one will care about that."
danishchairs
I’ve written to Andrew Ikenberry at Qu-Bit about whether it’s possible to save recordings from the buffer onto the USB drive. I’ll report back if/when I hear anything (unless he writes something here first).
bodydouble
I know it's still (very) early days...but anyone with experiences with Neb v2 and Morphagene care to compare the two in hands on use?
exportexport
^^ Second that!
exper
Would love to hear/see some examples of its live processing capabilities.
tom moody
The V2 manual doesn't mention recording to USB stick (that I can see). Users could park a 4MS wav recorder in the case next to the Qu-Bit Nebulae V2. And then use a PC to transfer wavs from SD to USB.
ersatzplanet
tom moody wrote:
The V2 manual doesn't mention recording to USB stick (that I can see). Users could park a 4MS wav recorder in the case next to the Qu-Bit Nebulae V2. And then use a PC to transfer wavs from SD to USB.


I have a STS and you can mangle in one channel and have it record in the other right to the microSD card. You have to have a fast card and I doubt you could do a direct record to a USB stick but I see no reason that a dump of what is in the buffer could not be done. Basically a "record what is in RAM onto the USB stick" command.
Mirrorad
tom moody wrote:
then use a PC to transfer wavs from SD to USB


very frustrating
Azarius
ersatzplanet wrote:
You have to have a fast card and I doubt you could do a direct record to a USB stick but I see no reason that a dump of what is in the buffer could not be done. Basically a "record what is in RAM onto the USB stick" command.

+1 for this... it’s already an amazing module which would only be made that much greater if you could record the active buffer to the usb stick.
danishchairs
Kingnimrod wrote:
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.

Confirmed. Here’s a note from Andrew at Qu-Bit:
Quote:
The Nebulae is not currently capable of writing the buffer to an audio file on the USB drive. However, we are planning on implementing this in a firmware update in the not too distant future.

Once this is released, all you will need to do to update the firmware is include the firmware file on your USB drive and it will update for you.

So, other solutions for now, and looking forward to being able to record the buffer in the not-too-distant future.
dc_Sux
Thanks for the update.
Very glad that it will be getting this functionality in the future.

Mine arrives tomorrow It's peanut butter jelly time!
Mirrorad
danishchairs wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.

Confirmed. Here’s a note from Andrew at Qu-Bit:
Quote:
The Nebulae is not currently capable of writing the buffer to an audio file on the USB drive. However, we are planning on implementing this in a firmware update in the not too distant future.

Once this is released, all you will need to do to update the firmware is include the firmware file on your USB drive and it will update for you.

So, other solutions for now, and looking forward to being able to record the buffer in the not-too-distant future.


SlayerBadger! Guinness ftw! applause It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners Rockin' Banana!

I haven't received my unit yet (hopefully arriving today), so I feel unreasonable making requests for firmware updates already. But if the USB file dump is already on the horizon, it would make a lot of sense for Qu Bit to allow the option to save the file in a format and location that is compatible with the Nebulae MK1 so that a recording can be fed back into a MK1 without the need for a laptop conversion.
tom moody
I'll consider purchasing when the unit is fully functional (saving-to-media-wise) and V2 versions of all the original alt-instruments are put up on the web. (Losing MIDI seems like a real step down from V1, though.)
exportexport
I want it so much!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIPbL_P4Es
REVIVER
Anyone have a real life image of the silver panel version?
jwm
REVIVER wrote:
Anyone have a real life image of the silver panel version?


REVIVER
Looks nice! Thank you!
zanscath
FIY, the old sample and instruments libraries for Nebulae V1 are still accessible on the website by going to the Legacy Modules page. They will be listed on the Nebulae page:

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/sample-library
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments
piearesquared
bodydouble wrote:
I know it's still (very) early days...but anyone with experiences with Neb v2 and Morphagene care to compare the two in hands on use?


+1
zanscath
Could anybody share the files on the USB stick that came with their Nebulae V2? Managed to lose mine.
nnamesor
Just received my Nebulae v2 yesterday - so far, so good (reminded me of how much I’ve missed it since selling my v1 upon first word of an update over 2 yrs ago). Such a vast upgrade in every way (esp the granular functionality) however:

Wondering if it’s possible to have the File select be CV addressable (as opposed to simply using a gate to step forwards, backwards, and randomly through the available samples)?

Unless I’m missing something, doesn’t seem currently possible . . .

If not, any potential to integrate this in a future firmware update?
rhodopsinist
zanscath wrote:
FIY, the old sample and instruments libraries for Nebulae V1 are still accessible on the website by going to the Legacy Modules page. They will be listed on the Nebulae page:

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/sample-library
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments


Wondering if the alt csound instruments files of v1 are compatible with v2? if there will be updated version coming out... love
chriscarter
nnamesor wrote:
Wondering if it’s possible to have the File select be CV addressable (as opposed to simply using a gate to step forwards, backwards, and randomly through the available samples)?
Unless I’m missing something, doesn’t seem currently possible . . .
If not, any potential to integrate this in a future firmware update?


YES PLEASE!!
mortal3
Just took delivery of this today and wow... Right up my alley. Super hands on and playable. Only just scratching the surface on it really brief play around with the pre loaded samples ( really nice!) and a quick line through my a119 with the phone on YouTube to twist up some spoken word stuff. Agree with a few of he requests here for added functionality re saves and cv addressable sample selection, but.. I am very happy!... Stereo outs hard panned sound sick!..
mortal3
piearesquared wrote:
bodydouble wrote:
I know it's still (very) early days...but anyone with experiences with Neb v2 and Morphagene care to compare the two in hands on use?


+1


Yes especially interested in this also, I chose this over the morphagene having never played either, but it was the interface and accessibility of this unit that appealed. Interested in people's comments. I also own a reflex liveloop, crazy deep module.. Crazy deep. Don't entirely gel with it I must say.....
Tumulishroomaroom
The interface on this one seems so very immediate and playable.
tom moody
Am glad Qu-Bit added the links to the old alt-instruments and sample libraries pages in the Legacy section. Those weren't there last time I looked and I was relying on the Google cache to find those pages. I would assume the V1 alt instruments won't work with V2 because of the reconfigured interface.
mortal3
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
The interface on this one seems so very immediate and playable.


Totally!..., as a fan of your work and player of the manis/tg one/ loquelic myself etc etc I reckon you would like it, easy immediate buttons, 'return to zero' push infinite encoders (nice light feel to those too.. Heavier for the others. I like), fairly easy to understand... And understand what is happening ( great led visual feedback as to certain happenings), easy to jam on really..., it's just thi thing I have wanted to truly twist shit up, and all time synced etc to blast with my beats.. ( well that's my vision anyways...) SlayerBadger!
zanscath
Still, sorry to repeat myself, but could a fellow Nebulae V2 owner please share the files that came with their USB stick with me. Mine got erased after what I believe was a power failure in one of my cases. I've contacted Qu-Bit yesterday but I assume their busy and I'd really like to have a backup in case of anything and also stuff to experiment with over the weekend. Please guys. help
Trooper
I would like to see a vid where more "musicaly" or better recognizable mangling voice sounds are used, if you know what i mean.

Would be very appreciated
XponentOne
Trooper wrote:
I would like to see a vid where more "musicaly" or better recognizable mangling voice sounds are used, if you know what i mean.

Would be very appreciated

Can you elaborate what you would like to hear, like a singing voice or something?
Trebbers
zanscath wrote:
Still, sorry to repeat myself, but could a fellow Nebulae V2 owner please share the files that came with their USB stick with me. Mine got erased after what I believe was a power failure in one of my cases. I've contacted Qu-Bit yesterday but I assume their busy and I'd really like to have a backup in case of anything and also stuff to experiment with over the weekend. Please guys. help


I’ll send you a link when I’m home in a few hours. The legacy Nebulae page gas a set of samples available as well.
Tumulishroomaroom
mortal3 wrote:
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
The interface on this one seems so very immediate and playable.


Totally!..., as a fan of your work and player of the manis/tg one/ loquelic myself etc etc I reckon you would like it, easy immediate buttons, 'return to zero' push infinite encoders (nice light feel to those too.. Heavier for the others. I like), fairly easy to understand... And understand what is happening ( great led visual feedback as to certain happenings), easy to jam on really..., it's just thi thing I have wanted to truly twist shit up, and all time synced etc to blast with my beats.. ( well that's my vision anyways...) SlayerBadger!


A fan ! That's high praise, thank you. This one is so very tempting but I just got a Rainmaker to create some strange sound(scapes) and I plan on getting a ER-301 when they become available again and they both are in a similar territory despite the completely opposite sides of the UI world they sit on. We'll see down the line.
Trooper
XponentOne wrote:
Trooper wrote:
I would like to see a vid where more "musicaly" or better recognizable mangling voice sounds are used, if you know what i mean.

Would be very appreciated

Can you elaborate what you would like to hear, like a singing voice or something?


Yes something like that, that you are then mangling slowly (perhaps until it's crap) thumbs up
zanscath
Trebbers wrote:
zanscath wrote:
Still, sorry to repeat myself, but could a fellow Nebulae V2 owner please share the files that came with their USB stick with me. Mine got erased after what I believe was a power failure in one of my cases. I've contacted Qu-Bit yesterday but I assume their busy and I'd really like to have a backup in case of anything and also stuff to experiment with over the weekend. Please guys. help


I’ll send you a link when I’m home in a few hours. The legacy Nebulae page gas a set of samples available as well.


Thanks a lot fellow raccoon! I'm mostly interested in the instrument files though, just in case they get wiped somehow from the internal memory. I'm gigging with it this Sunday and it might be scary if this happens.
Funky40
what do i have to do that this "sampler" won´t play "this automaticly loaded file" by itself just after powering the unit on ?
please help me !
.......i´m on my way thru the manual, but if you´re quicker.......
edit: ok, since i´ve loaded now some own files to the USB drive is it at least playing one of those.
XponentOne
Trooper wrote:
XponentOne wrote:
Trooper wrote:
I would like to see a vid where more "musicaly" or better recognizable mangling voice sounds are used, if you know what i mean.

Would be very appreciated

Can you elaborate what you would like to hear, like a singing voice or something?


Yes something like that, that you are then mangling slowly (perhaps until it's crap) thumbs up

Cool will do a little vid when I'm home thumbs up
Trooper
very nice thumbs up
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:
what do i have to do that this "sampler" won´t play "this automaticly loaded file" by itself just after powering the unit on ?
please help me !
.......i´m on my way thru the manual, but if you´re quicker.......
edit: ok, since i´ve loaded now some own files to the USB drive is it at least playing one of those.


The Nebulae has Looping and One-shot modes along with the instrument modes in the v2 one. You may be in one-shot mode if you don't hear the file continuously playing over and over.
Trebbers
zanscath wrote:
Trebbers wrote:
zanscath wrote:
Still, sorry to repeat myself, but could a fellow Nebulae V2 owner please share the files that came with their USB stick with me. Mine got erased after what I believe was a power failure in one of my cases. I've contacted Qu-Bit yesterday but I assume their busy and I'd really like to have a backup in case of anything and also stuff to experiment with over the weekend. Please guys. help


I’ll send you a link when I’m home in a few hours. The legacy Nebulae page gas a set of samples available as well.


Thanks a lot fellow raccoon! I'm mostly interested in the instrument files though, just in case they get wiped somehow from the internal memory. I'm gigging with it this Sunday and it might be scary if this happens.


Have PM'd you the link, but the instrument files are not included on the USB drive. Also, it's a bit concerning that a power failure could wipe the drive, considering the module suffers a sudden power failure every time it's cut off.
ersatzplanet
Trebbers wrote:
Also, it's a bit concerning that a power failure could wipe the drive, considering the module suffers a sudden power failure every time it's cut off.


I doubt seriously that a power failure would wipe the stick to because as you say, since the Nebulae itself doesn't have a on/off switch of its own, and there are no power down commands, basically turning off your cabinet appears exactly the same to the Nebulae as a power failure would. The only thing you would lose, is the sound in it's buffer, not what it read from the stick at boot up. The original Nebulae read the files off the stick into onboard memory and then didn't really access it after that. I assume the new one does also since USB sticks are typically not fast enough to be read in real time. You can tell if the new one does or doesn't (I haven't gotten mine yet) by seeing if the access light on your USB stick (if it has one) lights on and off during use.
Trebbers
Yeah, there's no light on the drive, but the only reference to the module writing to it in the manual is that it produces a log file.
Mashmore
Funky40 wrote:
what do i have to do that this "sampler" won´t play "this automaticly loaded file" by itself just after powering the unit on ?
please help me !
.......i´m on my way thru the manual, but if you´re quicker.......
edit: ok, since i´ve loaded now some own files to the USB drive is it at least playing one of those.


Press the file button to go to next sound file.
zanscath
Trebbers wrote:
Yeah, there's no light on the drive, but the only reference to the module writing to it in the manual is that it produces a log file.


Thanks a lot! This is much appreciated!

Also, to be honest I never checked the USB stick to see if the files were there in the first place - could I have gotten a blank USB but the files still be loaded into memory? Who knows.

I know for a fact that one of my cases started failing to supply the required 5V for the raspberry pi to run (saw the red light on the PI blinking and read some forum posts suggesting the voltage was probably getting lower). I think it restarted and restarted again while booting and that might have wiped the drive in case it was even wiper at all.

I can also confirm the problem was related to my commercially available case's power as I've tested it a few times to be certain (I won't name the maker but it has been suggested before they make weak PSUs). Nebulae works great in 12V in that case and also both in 5V/12V in MN and Intellijel cases.

I since been contacted back by Qu-Bit. Apparently there are no instr. files supposed to be on the USB stick, the "factory" bank of instruments are included in the firmware.
Trebbers
Mini review: Happy w/the module in the little time I've had w/it so far. No profound thoughts, but it sounds very good/uncolored and being able to manuplate pitch and speed independently is :galaxybrain:
Funky40
Mashmore wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
what do i have to do that this "sampler" won´t play "this automaticly loaded file" by itself just after powering the unit on ?
please help me !
.......i´m on my way thru the manual, but if you´re quicker.......
edit: ok, since i´ve loaded now some own files to the USB drive is it at least playing one of those.


Press the file button to go to next sound file.

yes, thanks.
I had no own files loaded at that time ......so all i got were the factory samples which i wanted to get rid of having them sounding.............

ersatzplanet wrote:
You may be in one-shot mode if you don't hear the file continuously playing over and over.

it was/is the other way around unfortunately:
i don´t want a sampler to spit out noises ALL THE TIME without any doing from my side. I was in loop mode wink
that this thing loaded up directly some ( for my ears unpleasant) factory content and played it straight after powering up has set me directly in a very ungood mood in the fisrt seconds honestly, ........vs. the nebulae V2.

there should be a warning for grumpy old man that this thing was built to also please your 7 year old doughter directly if she got a Nebulae2 under the christmas tree wink
Funky40
next one:
i want to wipe out my loaded audio files .
so i deleted all files on the USB stick.
load new audio files to the susb stick, insert the usb stick back to nebulae.

i press "file" and "source" ( according to the manual) , to load the new audio files into the the N-v2 , but my old .wav file is still present.
Has any user here some insight how to wipe out my old audio files from the N-V2 ? ......i just want to have the new .wavs loaded seriously, i just don't get it


also do i have no feedback how long i have to press the file + source button.
the manual is not clear enough for me on that part.
mwvm
Funky40 wrote:
next one:
i want to wipe out my loaded audio files .
so i deleted all files on the USB stick.
load new audio files to the susb stick, insert the usb stick back to nebulae.

i press "file" and "source" ( according to the manual) , to load the new audio files into the the N-v2 , but my old .wav file is still present.
Has any user here some insight how to wipe out my old audio files from the N-V2 ? ......i just want to have the new .wavs loaded seriously, i just don't get it


also do i have no feedback how long i have to press the file + source button.
the manual is not clear enough for me on that part.


This
Mashmore
mwvm wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
next one:
i want to wipe out my loaded audio files .
so i deleted all files on the USB stick.
load new audio files to the susb stick, insert the usb stick back to nebulae.

i press "file" and "source" ( according to the manual) , to load the new audio files into the the N-v2 , but my old .wav file is still present.
Has any user here some insight how to wipe out my old audio files from the N-V2 ? ......i just want to have the new .wavs loaded seriously, i just don't get it


also do i have no feedback how long i have to press the file + source button.
the manual is not clear enough for me on that part.


This


Do you have the new .wav files in a folder on the usb stick? maybe try removing them from the folder and throw the files on the usb. I have only loaded files a couple times, but they load just fine when i insert usb and power up the nebulae.
mwvm
Mashmore wrote:
mwvm wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
next one:
i want to wipe out my loaded audio files .
so i deleted all files on the USB stick.
load new audio files to the susb stick, insert the usb stick back to nebulae.

i press "file" and "source" ( according to the manual) , to load the new audio files into the the N-v2 , but my old .wav file is still present.
Has any user here some insight how to wipe out my old audio files from the N-V2 ? ......i just want to have the new .wavs loaded seriously, i just don't get it


also do i have no feedback how long i have to press the file + source button.
the manual is not clear enough for me on that part.


This


Do you have the new .wav files in a folder on the usb stick? maybe try removing them from the folder and throw the files on the usb. I have only loaded files a couple times, but they load just fine when i insert usb and power up the nebulae.


I assumed files only play in the USB nebulae dir. So I took Tom hall's wav from the folder and copy pasted them to the top directory. Still playing the factory defaults regardless
Funky40
Mashmore wrote:

Do you have the new .wav files in a folder on the usb stick? maybe try removing them from the folder and throw the files on the usb. I have only loaded files a couple times, but they load just fine when i insert usb and power up the nebulae.

the files do load ! this is NOT the problem.
My problem is that my old previously loaded .wav is still present but i want to have a entirely new .wav set loaded.
To make it clear, i wiped out all .wavs on the USB drive and just loaded the new files. NO subfolders so far ! ( is it even possible to have subfolders ? )
right now i have to reboot the module to wipe out my old .wavs !
..........the reload process, as described in the manual, is not doing it when i operate the module seriously, i just don't get it


mwvm wrote:
Still playing the factory defaults regardless

ou, you´re still there.
i even could not tell you what i made to get rid of the factory files.
i think the usb drive had no files on it.......or i deleted them and forgot to backup.
on the uCF card ( which also exists on the back ! ) were no audio files recognisable for me
Funky40
forget it.sorry
...i struggle
mwvm
Funky40 wrote:

...i struggle


I've tried most things.

Nothing but the same loops very frustrating
FrogStar
The snip below is from the manual. Should I understand that the only way to remove the factory sounds would be to “displace” them by loading more than 75 mb of sound files?


Persistence of Memory
When files have been loaded into the module, they will remain there after the USB flash drive has been removed as well as between power cycles.
They will only be replaced when new files are present on the flash drive when files are loaded. (It should be noted that loading new audio files does not replace .instr files and vice versa).
For example, if the user loads foo.wav from a USB drive, removes the USB drive, and power cycles the Nebulae. foo.wav will remain on the Nebulae. If you reload the USB drive with foo_2.wav, foo.wav will be removed from the Nebulae, and foo_2.wav will be added.
This behavior is based on the file type. So you could load a Pure Data instrument once, and never put another Pure Data instrument on a USB drive, and the original instrument will remain on the Nebulae indefinitely.
Addditional Considerations
While as many files as will fit on the Raspberry Pi will be copied, only the first 75MB of audio files (alphabetically) will be loaded into the currently playing instrument.
Funky40
my Vote goes TOTALLY to some updating on the manual !
i understand that it is a hard thing for somebody understanding a device to see where the struggling points for a beginner are.
The points that can cause confusion.


so i try to list where my problems were so far ( spent 5hrs+ yesterday, doing music with the Nebulae V2, reading the manual, struggling with some functions, ...learning some others.....JFYI @Qu-Bit HQ .......it was not just a 10 min party wink )

1. how to load your own files AND mainly: how to get rid of the factory content ?......which is automatically loaded, and further: automatically starts to play ...............its a nerve killing "feature", at least was for me.


2. much related to point 1. How to wipe all audio files in the memory while loading all new ones at the same time from the usb drive ?
( lets say:) based on the situation that all old audio files on the USB drive were deleted and only "the new audiofiles" are present on the USB drive.
( whats written in the manual has not worked out for me ( see posts above) )


3. How do i record a file from the input ?
i read the manual, i was aware that i have to press "source" so that the "source" led lits.......
nevertheless, while giving the imprsssion that all is totally clear when looking at the manual, there is some major struggling point given.

4. much related to point 3, and probably a struggling point in regards to a new recording:
how do i wipe out/clear a recording ?
i was totally under the impression when my first recording happened that i had recorded some audio into the middle of a longer "tapeloop", which might have been the result of previous trys to record something.
( i was in all those trys aware of the "blend" setting and its impact when listening to a recorded file )


those were my major gripes i remember so far,
and the points i think a updated manual could save some other dumb asses as i am some VERY IMPORTANT Time and more so: Nerves needed for more important things !



the music i had running was allways top top notch ! just to say.
thank you for the module Qu-Bit ! from its musical potential is it a superb addition to the eurorack market.
Mashmore
Funky40 wrote:
my Vote goes TOTALLY to some updating on the manual !
i understand that it is a hard thing for somebody understanding a device to see where the struggling points for a beginner are.
The points that can cause confusion.


so i try to list where my problems were so far ( spent 5hrs+ yesterday, doing music with the Nebulae V2, reading the manual, struggling with some functions, ...learning some others.....JFYI @Qu-Bit HQ .......it was not just a 10 min party wink )

1. how to load your own files AND mainly: how to get rid of the factory content ?......which is automatically loaded, and further: automatically starts to play ...............its a nerve killing "feature", at least was for me.


2. much related to point 1. How to wipe all audio files in the memory while loading all new ones at the same time from the usb drive ?
( lets say:) based on the situation that all old audio files on the USB drive were deleted and only "the new audiofiles" are present on the USB drive.
( whats written in the manual has not worked out for me ( see posts above) )


3. How do i record a file from the input ?
i read the manual, i was aware that i have to press "source" so that the "source" led lits.......
nevertheless, while giving the imprsssion that all is totally clear when looking at the manual, there is some major struggling point given.

4. much related to point 3, and probably a struggling point in regards to a new recording:
how do i wipe out/clear a recording ?
i was totally under the impression when my first recording happened that i had recorded some audio into the middle of a longer "tapeloop", which might have been the result of previous trys to record something.
( i was in all those trys aware of the "blend" setting and its impact when listening to a recorded file )


those were my major gripes i remember so far,
and the points i think a updated manual could save some other dumb asses as i am some VERY IMPORTANT Time and more so: Nerves needed for more important things !



the music i had running was allways top top notch ! just to say.
thank you for the module Qu-Bit ! from its musical potential is it a superb addition to the eurorack market.


I am confused by all of your problems. For me this module was super immediate and relatively plug and play. And sure maybe some tweaks are needed to the manual but IMO it is very thorough.

1. Load usb on your computer. Delete everything. Load new files. Plug back into nebulae THEN turn your case on. Old files are gone and new files are present. This is what i did and have no problems. The files will play automatically. Either plug into a vca or take a look at the size knob in secondary mode. Fully CCW turns all audio off.

2.this problem should be solved. I have not tried the exact way the manual mentions it. I will try later and report back. But Maybe it’s a bug.

3. Press source. Press record to start recording and press it again to end the recording. Now take note of the blend knob. I’m not in front of my module right now but I believe fully CW is 100% recorded audio.

You can not save a recording to USB at this time yet. Apparently they are working on adding this feature.

4. While the source button is lit. Hold file and press reset.

From the manual and pretty straight forward...
“To clear the buffer hold file and press reset.”
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
...

3. How do i record a file from the input ?
i read the manual, i was aware that i have to press "source" so that the "source" led lits.......
nevertheless, while giving the imprsssion that all is totally clear when looking at the manual, there is some major struggling point given.


I’ve found the following to work:
a) turn on the “Source” LED by hitting the “Source” button (touching and releasing it fairly quickly seems to help);
b) adjust the “Blend” knob to 12 o’clock;
c) plug the signal to be recorded into “L” (for mono) or both “L” and “R” (for stereo). Note: my signals need to be fairly hot (loud) to be recorded clearly. YMMV.
d) hit the “Record” button. It will light up to indicate it’s recording.
e) hit the “Record “ button again to stop recording;

To check how it all worked, remove the input signal(s). Then adjust the Blend knob away from 12 o’clock. If you want to do granular manipulations, turn the Blend knob clockwise. You should now be able to hear your recording.

Quote:
4. much related to point 3, and probably a struggling point in regards to a new recording:
how do i wipe out/clear a recording ?
i was totally under the impression when my first recording happened that i had recorded some audio into the middle of a longer "tapeloop", which might have been the result of previous trys to record something.
( i was in all those trys aware of the "blend" setting and its impact when listening to a recorded file )


To erase what’s in the buffer, hold the “File” button and hit the “Reset” button. The Reset LED wil flash, and the buffer will be erased.

my apologies if you know all this and have already tried it.
Funky40
danishchairs wrote:
my apologies if you know all this and have already tried it.

Your input is VERY welcome !
even if things work or worked, there´s often a certain amount of uncertainity left wink

Much thanks danishchairs !

danishchairs wrote:
(touching and releasing it fairly quickly seems to help); .

your phrasing suggests that you have yourself some uncertainity left wink
edit: @ HQ: which would also point to that a update on the manual would be helpful.....( whats the stumbling blocks?
but its probably by us to collect "those" questions where the uncertainity comes from )
so, the "source button press" seems to be one, .......was/is same for me.
is the guy picky ? is that button press sometimes working and sometimes not ?


the strange thing for me was:
i tryed several times to record something, *after* reading the manual and beeing aware of the main settings to do, but i didn´t arrived.
when i arrived was i not doing anything different than bevore to my believe. wink
now, i experienced very same thing allready with several units/gear...........its a myth, hehe.
Funky40
From the manual, page 27:
Quote:
Files are automatically loaded and sorted at boot up, but can also be reloaded at anytime by holding file, and pressing source from any instrument’s primary control page.
The LED animation has two different behaviors when loading files.
If there is a USB drive detected and files are being copied from it, the LEDs will be aqua.
If there is no USB drive detected and the existing files are being reloaded, the LEDs will cycle blue.

No, again: not loading files
( i just had one file in the buffer. i can´t get the other one to load )

i get green and violet LEDs, no aqua. the freeze button lits up when i press "file" + "source".
both audio files are ok ( the old one and the new one) and can be played from the usb drive in the computer


Quote:

11. Record
Pressing record for the first time creates a new buffer that ends when record is disabled or 5 minutes have passed (You can make this initial recording from a live input source or from a file). The input to the buffer is controlled by the blend control, and will be filled with the audio that is heard at the time of recording. This includes all knob turns and CV controls, excluding speed, start, and size.
Once the buffer is looping it’s possible to punch in at any moment and record the output back into the buffer, replacing the existing material (Record your loop backwards with no additional input to have it play backward when set to original speed).
Once an overdub has completed, original pitch and speed will reset, guaranteeing that you hear what you were just recording.
Recording will automatically disable itself at the end of a full overdub pass. To clear the buffer hold file and press reset.
To accurately calculate the anticipated size of a new buffer, the speed, start and size controls are locked during normal recording.

ok, i begin to understand.
how to clear that buffer is then clear also.
NO direct recording then it seems ?............ hmmm.....
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:

NO direct recording then it seems ?............ hmmm.....


No, you cannot record directly yo the USB stick. The USB stick is not fast enough for direct recording and even for direct playing in most cases. The files on the stick are loaded into RAM memory in the Nebulae and all the manipulations are done with them from there. There *may* be a future update that dumps the memory to the stick, but that is not even certain yet.

If you want to sample and play in realtime, you will need a modules like the 4ms Stereo Triggered Sampler which requires the faster type 3 MicroSD cards to even do that. You won;t be able to do the same stretching and some of the fancier stuff the Nebulae can do, but it is a dual unit that can play and record at the same time.
Funky40
Mashmore wrote:


I am confused by all of your problems. For me this module was super immediate and relatively plug and play.

sorry, i´ve not seen your post yesterday, Mashmore

no, not everything you describe, and is also described in the manual ( which i read in the meantime much likely to full extent) works here !
thats where i´m coming from.



quotet from your long Re to me:
Quote:
1. Load usb on your computer. Delete everything. Load new files. Plug back into nebulae THEN turn your case on. Old files are gone and new files are present.

no, its not only that simple. There is a stumbling block somewhere.
if worked once and i could throw out the factory content.
but i didn´t worked many times bevore and afterwards.......

Quote:
1. Fully CCW turns all audio off.

i know all this. And your answer is in this case also not precise enough.
it is valid if blend is CW......just to mention that its not that simple wink


Quote:
2.this problem should be solved.

there we go
one original problem within such device is allready enough to cause huge confusion if "user error" occours in that other occasion also......
and thats where i´m at.


Quote:
3. Press source. Press record to start recording and press it again to end the recording.

according to the manual is it working differently.
FIRST: create an empty buffer !
.....one of my main "uncertainitys" i´d like to solve here.
THEN, can we apply what you sayed, AND what i´m totally aware off.
nevertheless, the confusion remained ( not patched today so far)


Quote:
4. While the source button is lit. Hold file and press reset.

hmm, i thought i´ve donne this

i´ll try later when i have time to patch.....

Thanks for your help ( point 1.b, not meant to offend you, just to emphasize that its not that simple, and that i´m aware of these details ( what knob does what, and its relation ! )



could all be user error, absolutely. but then: based on what ?
AND i´m totally aware that i´m giving the Fool here with my series of posts......not good for me, ......anyway.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:
Funky40 wrote:

NO direct recording then it seems ?............ hmmm.....


No, you cannot record directly yo the USB stick.

yes, i´m aware !
I wanted to record to the buffer.......
mortal3
SlayerBadger!
Had the best jam with this bad boy last night... Basically, I brought this primarily to sample live on the fly, firstly.. Spoken work excerpts etc, straight from phone/tablet ( YouTube etc), records ( vinyl)... Record a section/ phrase then cut up with a varigate channel into the reset whilst manually tweaking the parameters, size and start are great for pinpoints on certain letters or words, bend knob for going full wet granular/ mixed live and granular /full live and vocoded... Fun!... Then punch in new excerpt to taste and repeat the tweaking, record capturing exactly what you are hearing at the time, fkn good times!...

Percussion being handled by the varigate, this combo and application gets bangin'!..

So yea, its literally my first play with it, in a musical sense.. Trying to achieve what I had envisioned using it for, and it has been very rewarding, and super fun.

Not messed with the stick aside from playing around with the included samples to get a bit of a handle on the manual controls, and not played with much manual cv aside from the reset, but having massive rewards already.. And considering I am not really even scratching the surface.
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
Funky40 wrote:

NO direct recording then it seems ?............ hmmm.....


No, you cannot record directly yo the USB stick.

yes, i´m aware !
I wanted to record to the buffer.......


If you are modifying the sound in any way, you are recording to the buffer. All the modifications that are made to the sound are made to the sound in memory. Sounds played into the audio inputs are put in the buffer automatically or you would not be able to do anything with them. The onboard Raspberry Pi acts on the buffer. It is basically impossible to do any of the things it does without the sound first being put in a buffer.
danishchairs
I just learned something, but I’d be happy if someone tells me different:

The buffer seems to be cleared (erased) when you change instruments.

For example: I had recorded something into the buffer and was modulating some of the granular synthesis parameters (speed, pitch, freeze). I wanted to try out some of the other “instruments” that come from Qu-Bit on the USB drive. After switching to a new instrument, what I had recorded into the buffer was gone.

Perhaps I could have known this would happen. The manual says that the files will be loaded/reloaded from the USB drive when switching instruments.

Looking closer, the manual says two things about what happens when you change instruments. To a newcomer, they (may) sound like different things, but they probably mean the same thing:

Quote:
Clicking the Speed encoder from this menu will load the selected instrument, and check for a USB drive/reload files.
(Emphasis mine)

Quote:
Selecting one of the five, and then pressing the speed encoder, will restart the Nebulae with the new instrument loaded.
(Emphasis mine)

Anyway, something to be aware of if you’re working with a recording that’s only in the buffer and not stored on the USB drive.
behndy
good stuff. nice to know that suh! dunno if i'll be changing instruments often, but yesssssss KNOWLEDGE.

finally sat down with mines, loving it. only odd thing is it mutes the live signal a fraction of a second when you hold File and hit Reset to clear the buffer, even if it's dead center so all live.

but playing around with Rings and Just Friends through Three Sisters, then a drumbeat from Deluge through Sonveskan and JF/3Sis -

mortal3
behndy wrote:
good stuff. nice to know that suh! dunno if i'll be changing instruments often, but yesssssss KNOWLEDGE.

finally sat down with mines, loving it. only odd thing is it mutes the live signal a fraction of a second when you hold File and hit Reset to clear the buffer, even if it's dead center so all live.

but playing around with Rings and Just Friends through Three Sisters, then a drumbeat from Deluge through Sonveskan and JF/3Sis -



Nice lil jam man!..., ahh... Yes indeed, I notice that slight mute, hmmm... That may need a look into...
erkahulle
Maybe this is obvious but is it possible to mangle live audio? Or do you have to record it first?

More videos please!
danishchairs
erkahulle wrote:
Maybe this is obvious but is it possible to mangle live audio? Or do you have to record it first?

Hmm, that’s a good question. I think it has to be recorded, but the module is new and everyone is still exploring/learning.
cptnal
danishchairs wrote:
erkahulle wrote:
Maybe this is obvious but is it possible to mangle live audio? Or do you have to record it first?

Hmm, that’s a good question. I think it has to be recorded, but the module is new and everyone is still exploring/learning.


Disclaimer: I don't own this module, so ignore everything that follows. oops

I'm pretty sure in the demo videos from Superbooth or whatever, they said processing live audio was one of the most requested features and that they'd added it to v2.
Mashmore
cptnal wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
erkahulle wrote:
Maybe this is obvious but is it possible to mangle live audio? Or do you have to record it first?

Hmm, that’s a good question. I think it has to be recorded, but the module is new and everyone is still exploring/learning.


Disclaimer: I don't own this module, so ignore everything that follows. oops

I'm pretty sure in the demo videos from Superbooth or whatever, they said processing live audio was one of the most requested features and that they'd added it to v2.


Look into the secondary function of the record button in the manual. Whatever the length of the original recording is; that is the buffer length for your sound on sound/live audio mangling. I messed with it a bit last night and got some great results.
erkahulle
Thanks, I now see that the question was answered earlier in the thread but apparently I missed it.
behndy
mortal3 wrote:
behndy wrote:
good stuff. nice to know that suh! dunno if i'll be changing instruments often, but yesssssss KNOWLEDGE.

finally sat down with mines, loving it. only odd thing is it mutes the live signal a fraction of a second when you hold File and hit Reset to clear the buffer, even if it's dead center so all live.

but playing around with Rings and Just Friends through Three Sisters, then a drumbeat from Deluge through Sonveskan and JF/3Sis -



Nice lil jam man!..., ahh... Yes indeed, I notice that slight mute, hmmm... That may need a look into...


thank you suh!

yeah. i'm going to email and ask if that's something they can address. it's not a deal breaker at all, but it's the most intuitive way to me to capture different chunks of live shtuff (i mostly plan to use this with modular noises) without relying on flash card loaded samples.

also, as cute as it is, i swapped the QuBit branded flash drive for a tiny tiny button Sandisk one.

less things poking out from modules GOOD.

also also, the button and knob layout is GOOD on this thing. was all the impatients for it to come out and nooooot disappointed.
ersatzplanet
behndy wrote:

finally sat down with mines, loving it. only odd thing is it mutes the live signal a fraction of a second when you hold File and hit Reset to clear the buffer, even if it's dead center so all live.


I imagine that there is no such thing as "Live" with this module, everything is going through the processor in some way. The way to test it is to Y-cord it before the signal goes into the Nebulae, and then listen to the "live" output of the nebulae ns the original signal. If there is any delay (try mixing them and seeing if there is any cancellation) then the live is being buffered even if it is a VERY small amount. In that case it will be cleared along with the buffer.

Time for Andrew to chime in on this...
Gyroscope
So is it possible to delete all the samples given by Qu-bit? Why would you want to use somebody else's samples? I want to clear all sounds that aren't mine and use this thing like the Morphagene. Is this even possible?
Kingnimrod
Gyroscope wrote:
So is it possible to delete all the samples given by Qu-bit? Why would you want to use somebody else's samples? I want to clear all sounds that aren't mine and use this thing like the Morphagene. Is this even possible?


of course. the samples are just on a USB stick. You can use your own. AFAIK there are no samples built in.
Gyroscope
Kingnimrod wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
So is it possible to delete all the samples given by Qu-bit? Why would you want to use somebody else's samples? I want to clear all sounds that aren't mine and use this thing like the Morphagene. Is this even possible?


of course. the samples are just on a USB stick. You can use your own. AFAIK there are no samples built in.


I deleted all the content of the USB stick and still only hear the factory samples. Again, why would you want to use somebody else's samples?
danishchairs
Gyroscope wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
So is it possible to delete all the samples given by Qu-bit? Why would you want to use somebody else's samples? I want to clear all sounds that aren't mine and use this thing like the Morphagene. Is this even possible?


of course. the samples are just on a USB stick. You can use your own. AFAIK there are no samples built in.


I deleted all the content of the USB stick and still only hear the factory samples. Again, why would you want to use somebody else's samples?


The process to remove the factory samples may be a little more involved. The manual states:
Quote:
Persistence of Memory

When files have been loaded into the module, they will remain there after the USB flash drive has been removed as well as between power cycles.
They will only be replaced when new files are present on the flash drive when files are loaded. (It should be noted that loading new audio files does not replace .instr files and vice versa).

For example, if the user loads foo.wav from a USB drive, removes the USB drive, and power cycles the Nebulae. foo.wav will remain on the Nebulae. If you reload the USB drive with foo_2.wav, foo.wav will be removed from the Nebulae, and foo_2.wav will be added.

This behavior is based on the file type. So you could load a Pure Data instrument once, and never put another Pure Data instrument on a USB drive, and the original instrument will remain on the Nebulae indefinitely.

Not sure if the following steps will work, but they’re not hard and worth a try:
    A) get the names of the default sound files (the ones you want to remove).
    B) create new, blank files with similar names and save them on the USB stick (use a computer or other device for this step).
    C) start up the Nebulae with the new files.

As to why you would want to use someone else’s samples? Only the maker can say for sure, but I can think of at least two reasons for installing them in first place. One is so that you can hear something when you first start up the module. Two is that you can start to (learn to) manipulate sounds right away, without having to record anything.
Gyroscope
Yeah it makes sense. But the process to erase those samples if you don't want them should not be this complex seriously, i just don't get it

I think I'm too dumb for this module. Should've gotten a second Morphagene. The use of a computer should be optional.
ersatzplanet
danishchairs wrote:

Not sure if the following steps will work, but they’re not hard and worth a try:
    A) get the names of the default sound files (the ones you want to remove).
    B) create new, blank files with similar names and save them on the USB stick (use a computer or other device for this step).
    C) start up the Nebulae with the new files.



Gyroscope wrote:
Yeah it makes sense. But the process to erase those samples if you don't want them should not be this complex seriously, i just don't get it

I think I'm too dumb for this module. Should've gotten a second Morphagene. The use of a computer should be optional.


You don't have to name them the same. Loading of any FILETYPE will remove previous files of the same type. If you load a new Instrument (a Pure Data instrument, a CSound instrument, etc), it will replace instruments in the Nebulae but NOT loops or waves. If you load/boot up new waves on the stick, they will replace ALL the waves on the Nebulae, but NOT the instruments. The FILETYPE is the key. The names don't have to match.
behndy
yah. there's actually some cool sounding stuff preloaded, but i did that right away. just load up a wav file and wipe what's in memory.
Hidden_Path
Any owners of this AND Morphagene have any advice on which one they'd go with if only one was an option? I'm a bit torn and the prices are in a similar ballpark...
Gyroscope
Why would you have to load files that you don't need to replace files that you don't want? I don't want preloaded files. And I don't want to load files. I'd like to just use the module to record live sounds and mangle live audio. So this is not possible?
ersatzplanet
Gyroscope wrote:
Why would you have to load files that you don't need to replace files that you don't want? I don't want preloaded files. And I don't want to load files. I'd like to just use the module to record live sounds and mangle live audio. So this is not possible?


Can't you just ignore all modes except the live mode? By pressing the Source button you go into Live mode and out of File mode. In that mode the Files should not be played.
Gyroscope
ersatzplanet wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
Why would you have to load files that you don't need to replace files that you don't want? I don't want preloaded files. And I don't want to load files. I'd like to just use the module to record live sounds and mangle live audio. So this is not possible?


Can't you just ignore all modes except the live mode? By pressing the Source button you go into Live mode and out of File mode. In that mode the Files should not be played.


I tried that last night and it didn't seem to work. I'll try again tonight after work. Thanks for your help!
Mashmore
Gyroscope wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
Why would you have to load files that you don't need to replace files that you don't want? I don't want preloaded files. And I don't want to load files. I'd like to just use the module to record live sounds and mangle live audio. So this is not possible?


Can't you just ignore all modes except the live mode? By pressing the Source button you go into Live mode and out of File mode. In that mode the Files should not be played.


I tried that last night and it didn't seem to work. I'll try again tonight after work. Thanks for your help!


Also try out the record button in secondary mode. It's the bees knees!
Mashmore
Hidden_Path wrote:
Any owners of this AND Morphagene have any advice on which one they'd go with if only one was an option? I'm a bit torn and the prices are in a similar ballpark...


I have owned a morphagene and I am digging the nebulae much more than my morhpo. Morphogenes splice ability is ace but sonically the nebulae is getting my vote. Separate speed and pitch on the Neb opens a lot of doors IMO.
scutch
Just got mine today, really liking it so far. Heres a video of my first few minutes with it



Start off with a dry vocal sample, do some wiggling, then add some CV modulation from ALM Pamelas New Workout.Then it goes through the 4MS DLD. I have it running through the Morphagene so I can record anything Im doing, the part under the vocal was recorded from the Nebulae a few minutes before hand. The Kick is from a Loquelic Iteritas running through the other channel of the DLD
Hidden_Path
Mashmore wrote:
Hidden_Path wrote:
Any owners of this AND Morphagene have any advice on which one they'd go with if only one was an option? I'm a bit torn and the prices are in a similar ballpark...


I have owned a morphagene and I am digging the nebulae much more than my morhpo. Morphogenes splice ability is ace but sonically the nebulae is getting my vote. Separate speed and pitch on the Neb opens a lot of doors IMO.


Thanks, this helps. I've been leaning a bit more towards Nebulae as it's controls seem more intuitive to me.
Hidden_Path
scutch wrote:
Just got mine today, really liking it so far. Heres a video of my first few minutes with it



Start off with a dry vocal sample, do some wiggling, then add some CV modulation from ALM Pamelas New Workout.Then it goes through the 4MS DLD. I have it running through the Morphagene so I can record anything Im doing, the part under the vocal was recorded from the Nebulae a few minutes before hand. The Kick is from a Loquelic Iteritas running through the other channel of the DLD


Very cool stuff!
ersatzplanet
I just placed an order for the v2. Now I got to sell one of the two Nebulae v1 I have and the ADDAC101's. If I don't that will be WAY too many Wav players (I have a 4ms STS and a couple of WaveTrigger modules too!).

Half price sale for those who still want v1 (or ADDAC101's).
Funky40
Mashmore wrote:

Also try out the record button in secondary mode. It's the bees knees!

how can i get into secondary recording mode ?


from the manual:
Quote:
Secondary
A secondary set of controls is accessible when holding down the source button.
Once the source button has been held for 250 ms, the LEDs will shift to display the state of the secondary settings. With source pressed down, pressing any of the other buttons or turning the knobs will affect the secondary controls.

Quote:
11. Record
This enables Circular Recording, continuously recording new content to the buffer. Creating a buffer and overdub recording work the same way that the normal behavior does. The key differences are that:


i don´t get it, since i have to have "source" activated anyway to get into recording mode.
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
Mashmore wrote:

Also try out the record button in secondary mode. It's the bees knees!

how can i get into secondary recording mode ?
...

i don´t get it, since i have to have "source" activated anyway to get into recording mode.


You may already know all this.

Press and then release the Source button to toggle between “File Source” and “Live Source”.

Press and hold the Source button to access the secondary modes or controls. (There are a number of secondary modes or controls. One of them is the secondary record mode.)

While continuing to hold the Source button, the state of the Record button light will tell you which record mode your module is in:
    If the Record button light is off, your module is in the primary record mode.
    If the Record button light is on, your module is in the secondary record mode.

Toggle between these two record modes by continuing to hold the Source button down, and pressing and releasing the Record button.

When you have chosen the record mode you want, then release the Source button.

Note: after you release the Source button, the state of the Source button light indicates whether your module is in the “File Source” mode (Source button light off) or the “Live Source” mode (Source button light on). If you want to record, the module needs to be in the Live Source mode. If necessary, switch into that mode by pressing and releasing the Source button.

Apologies for the overly explicit instructions.
thatguy
I mounted the stock usb stick on macos and it's empty beside the log file, and some hidden folders when I viewed via terminal. I figure the drive just ships empty with the sound and .instr files loaded on the hardware? Or am I missing something? I ask because I was hoping I would be able to grab the factory .instr files as examples for creating my own.
SinkWhole
Morphogene's always been one of the modules pulling me toward eurorack. About to finally take the plunge but Nebulae v2 looks like it'll take that slot. Looks killer and will be interesting to see what people do with the open source aspect.
Funky40
danishchairs wrote:
Apologies for the overly explicit instructions.

thats what i have hoped a fellow wiggler would do wink
Thank you very much danishchairs. Much appreciated !


danishchairs wrote:


While continuing to hold the Source button, the state of the Record button light will tell you which record mode your module is in:
    If the Record button light is off, your module is in the primary record mode.
    If the Record button light is on, your module is in the secondary record mode.

Toggle between these two record modes by continuing to hold the Source button down, and pressing and releasing the Record button.

cool, i understand this part now,


and further also understand where my confusions were coming from.
one thing: the source button is not allways "grabbing"......now since i understand its operation thats no longer a stumbling block.

the other thing and at same time also a question:
I have to set the "size" parameter to something smaller than 10 o´clock, or better around 9 o´clock, to get the mangling of the audio live stream to work,....to get out recognisable results.
The buffer size was allways two- or mostoften just one bar long. ( 100-120bpm) also tested some very small buffers

Guess thats a common thing ( that i have set "size" to small values ) ?
i could imagine some logic relation.......
So, my to big settings with the "size" parameter were the other main stumbling block for me


much thanks !
thumbs up
Funky40
as an interesting side note:
i read yesterday in the morphagene (audio demos) thread that many people use a Clouds behind the morpho.
thats exactly what i do with the Nebulae2.
awesome combo




......and a nice reverb or two behind them hihi
JoeFuture
I saw in the Superbooth videos that there would be an SDK for Nebulae that would make it easier for us to get access to things like the jacks and knobs. Is any of that documentation available yet?
Azarius
scutch wrote:
Just got mine today, really liking it so far. Heres a video of my first few minutes with it



Start off with a dry vocal sample, do some wiggling, then add some CV modulation from ALM Pamelas New Workout.Then it goes through the 4MS DLD. I have it running through the Morphagene so I can record anything Im doing, the part under the vocal was recorded from the Nebulae a few minutes before hand. The Kick is from a Loquelic Iteritas running through the other channel of the DLD


Very cool! Have to admit, at the 30 second mark or so it sounded like Alvin and the Chipmunks on crack! Haha! lol
Amchucker
JoeFuture wrote:
I saw in the Superbooth videos that there would be an SDK for Nebulae that would make it easier for us to get access to things like the jacks and knobs. Is any of that documentation available yet?


Still waiting on that I emailed them asking for nebulae v2 templates for pure data and examples for c
ersatzplanet
Just got the first of two new Nebulae v2 today. Haven't had time to swap out the v1 Nebulae they are replacing. Those will be up for sale at 50% off price unless I change my mind and want to have a REALLY obscene number of wave players in my rig. Selling a pair of ADDAC101's too at 50% off too.
Mashmore
Just going to plant a seed and hopefully watch it grow.

I would love to see the pulse output have a secondary function. Instead of just having it send a its normal pulse (which is a great feature) it would send either an LFO or even just the clock rate of the setting of the density knob. I feel like this would help integrate the NEB into a system and give some more options in relation to syncing with other voices in a rack.
ersatzplanet
Mashmore wrote:
Just going to plant a seed and hopefully watch it grow.

I would love to see the pulse output have a secondary function. Instead of just having it send a its normal pulse (which is a great feature) it would send either an LFO or even just the clock rate of the setting of the density knob. I feel like this would help integrate the NEB into a system and give some more options in relation to syncing with other voices in a rack.


The best use I have found for this end of loop pulse (I have a 4ms STS that has this feature too), is to plug it into a clock multiplier (I have a 4ms QCD for this) and pull out a gate train that is timed for the beats in the loop. Great for syncing a sequencer up to a drum loop or bass loop. This is especially useful on the Nebulae since the loop timing and pitch can be adjusted from the original and the end of loop pulse will keep everything together when you do that. With a multiplier/devider like the QCD you can chop loops with external VCAs in four different places in time at once and when routed to different destinations, things can get wild pretty quickly.
Mashmore
ersatzplanet wrote:
Mashmore wrote:
Just going to plant a seed and hopefully watch it grow.

I would love to see the pulse output have a secondary function. Instead of just having it send a its normal pulse (which is a great feature) it would send either an LFO or even just the clock rate of the setting of the density knob. I feel like this would help integrate the NEB into a system and give some more options in relation to syncing with other voices in a rack.


The best use I have found for this end of loop pulse (I have a 4ms STS that has this feature too), is to plug it into a clock multiplier (I have a 4ms QCD for this) and pull out a gate train that is timed for the beats in the loop. Great for syncing a sequencer up to a drum loop or bass loop. This is especially useful on the Nebulae since the loop timing and pitch can be adjusted from the original and the end of loop pulse will keep everything together when you do that. With a multiplier/devider like the QCD you can chop loops with external VCAs in four different places in time at once and when routed to different destinations, things can get wild pretty quickly.


Very solid advice. Much appreciated. I’m going to experiment by feeding the pulse to 1 of my ornament and crimes.(the quadraturia or piqued should get me fairly close)

The main reason I would like some more pulse out options is mainly for ease of use I guess. That and a couple times now I’ve wanted to focus my patching around the nebulae and the density settings . A divider Should definitely open things up though.
danishchairs
My Nebulae v2 just stopped outputting audio on both channels, after playing it for about 3 hours. A reboot brought it back.

I had recorded something into the Nebulae buffer, set the control knobs where I wanted them, and was modulating only the V/oct with CV. The left and right output channels were going to separate inputs of a 4ms DLD. I would periodically modulate the time, feedback and wet/dry mix on the DLD.

I had been listening to, and working on, the patch on and off for hours, tweaking bits now and then. I was out of the studio when the sound stopped, but could hear it from the other room. The system just went quiet.

Went to see what was happening (or not happening). Everything looked ok. I think the Pitch lights on the Nebulae were still modulating, but I’m not sure if I remember that accurately. No smoke smell. All the other modules looked fine.

I tested the output chain with another module - it worked fine. Then tried sending the output of the Nebulae directly to the amp - no sound. So powered off the case with the Nebulae and restarted it after a few seconds. It booted fine and started playing the built-in audio file.

I had recorded the output of the whole system an hour earlier, when it was something I kind of liked. But I lost what was in the buffer when the Nebulae stopped. Bummer.
Mashmore
danishchairs wrote:
My Nebulae v2 just stopped outputting audio on both channels, after playing it for about 3 hours. A reboot brought it back.

I had recorded something into the Nebulae buffer, set the control knobs where I wanted them, and was modulating only the V/oct with CV. The left and right output channels were going to separate inputs of a 4ms DLD. I would periodically modulate the time, feedback and wet/dry mix on the DLD.

I had been listening to, and working on, the patch on and off for hours, tweaking bits now and then. I was out of the studio when the sound stopped, but could hear it from the other room. The system just went quiet.

Went to see what was happening (or not happening). Everything looked ok. I think the Pitch lights on the Nebulae were still modulating, but I’m not sure if I remember that accurately. No smoke smell. All the other modules looked fine.

I tested the output chain with another module - it worked fine. Then tried sending the output of the Nebulae directly to the amp - no sound. So powered off the case with the Nebulae and restarted it after a few seconds. It booted fine and started playing the built-in audio file.

I had recorded the output of the whole system an hour earlier, when it was something I kind of liked. But I lost what was in the buffer when the Nebulae stopped. Bummer.


Damn total bummer!
Indeed a case as to why having the ability to save the buffer to the USB would be clutch.

Just out of curiosity. Did you have anything patched to the freeze input? And how long was the recording? Any functions in secondary mode? It’s probably a long shot; but seeing as it’s early days with the nebulae, any extra details might come in handy down the road.
ersatzplanet
danishchairs wrote:
My Nebulae v2 just stopped outputting audio on both channels, after playing it for about 3 hours. A reboot brought it back.


I wonder if a power spike or other glitch rebooted the Raspberry in the Nebulae. Curious how sensitive the Neb is to power fluctuations and power supplies that are at the current load borderlines. Hate to have that happen live because of a power line glitch.
danishchairs
Mashmore wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
My Nebulae v2 just stopped outputting audio on both channels, after playing it for about 3 hours. A reboot brought it back.

I had recorded something into the Nebulae buffer ...


Damn total bummer!
Indeed a case as to why having the ability to save the buffer to the USB would be clutch.

Just out of curiosity. Did you have anything patched to the freeze input? And how long was the recording? Any functions in secondary mode? It’s probably a long shot; but seeing as it’s early days with the nebulae, any extra details might come in handy down the road.


Thanks! You’re right, details are good.

Nothing was patched into the freeze input. Only input being used (when the crash happened) was the Pitch (or V/Oct), and it had been part of the patch since recording into the buffer.

The recording was about 5 minutes long (probably close to the limit), and had been playing for at least 2 hours after being recorded.

No functions were in secondary mode.

I sent a report to Qu-Bit, too.
danishchairs
ersatzplanet wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
My Nebulae v2 just stopped outputting audio on both channels, after playing it for about 3 hours. A reboot brought it back.


I wonder if a power spike or other glitch rebooted the Raspberry in the Nebulae. Curious how sensitive the Neb is to power fluctuations and power supplies that are at the current load borderlines. Hate to have that happen live because of a power line glitch.


Thanks - me too!

The case is a TipTop Audio Mantis, only about half full (about 104 hp out of 208), so it shouldn’t have been close to the current load capacity.

Thinking about the RPi rebooting because of a glitch - if that happened, I’d expect it to come back playing the default factory audio file (which is still on my USB stick on the Neb). In my situation, that didn’t happened. Instead, the Neb stopped all output. A few minutes later, though, when I power cycled the case, the Neb (re)booted fine and the default audio file did start playing. So, it definitely may have been a glitch or power spike or something, but it didn’t seem to reboot the RPi. (Unless my expectations about what would happen are wrong, which is entirely possible.)
danishchairs
A video about granular synthesis, by one of the people who made some of the audio clips that come preloaded on the Nebulae v2 USB stick. (The video is about granular synthesis, but the Neb is the featured module.)


http://youtu.be/ftDLRYnRYZQ
bago
Did you use the 5volts to power the nebulae (the Mantis can only deliver 300ma on 5 volts which is close to the demand of the nebulae)?
danishchairs
bago wrote:
Did you use the 5volts to power the nebulae (the Mantis can only deliver 300ma on 5 volts which is close to the demand of the nebulae)?

Hmm, good question. I used the default settings on the Nebulae when I installed it, but don't recall what those settings were. (I will check in a little while.)

Your question prompted another look at the manual. Here’s from page 6:
Quote:
Current Consumption

Powered by +12V

• +12V: 318mA
• -12V: 7mA


Powered by +5V

• +12V: 47mA
• -12V: 7mA
• +5V: 271mA

Installation

To install, locate 20 HP of space in your Eurorack case and confirm the positive 12 volts and negative 12 volts sides of the power distribution lines. Plug the connector into the power distribution board of your case, keeping in mind that the red band corresponds to negative 12 volts. In most systems, the negative 12 volt supply line is at the bottom. The power cable should be connected to the Nebulae with the red band facing the bottom of the module.

To power the the module from Eurorack +5V position the switch behind the Positive Speed LED to the +5V position.
danishchairs
bago wrote:
Did you use the 5volts to power the nebulae (the Mantis can only deliver 300ma on 5 volts which is close to the demand of the nebulae)?


Following up, the switch on my module is set to +12 volts, not +5 volts.
Amchucker
Templates for v2:

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/
Funky40
danishchairs wrote:

To power the the module from Eurorack +5V position the switch behind the Positive Speed LED to the +5V position.


no clue what this sentence means !
i would like to power my module from 5V.
How ?

i have right now my module in my hands ( not installed)...where is there a switch ?
( i understand what the positive speed led is btw. wink )
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
danishchairs wrote:

To power the the module from Eurorack +5V position the switch behind the Positive Speed LED to the +5V position.


no clue what this sentence means !
i would like to power my module from 5V.
How ?

i have right now my module in my hands ( not installed)...where is there a switch ?
( i understand what the positive speed led is btw. wink )


The switch is circled in the photo below.

In this photo, the module is set to use +12 Volts.

For +5 Volt operation, slide the switch towards the word “Nebulae” on the front panel.
uniquepersonno2
Just sharing my very brief experience here: I replaced my Clouds today with the Nebulae v2. I think it was definitely the right decision, and I'm enjoying the Nebulae exponentially more than I ever did Clouds. While I love Mutable Instruments and would never part with my Rings, and while Clouds is a wonderful module, it felt a bit cluttered and lost to me at times and its sampling and buffer capabilities seemed underwhelming. The Nebulae's USB stick makes it very accessible and easy to use, and the separate speed and pitch knobs are almost shocking to see in a eurorack module (but extremely inspirational). I'm also amazed by the sound quality. Outside of the standard granular mode, I really like the delay/reverb as well. Again comparing it to Clouds, having it in a separate mode makes much more sense to me.
I've spent the most time in the granular mode however, and the quality of the pitch and time shifting make it a joy to use. It also takes external processing very well. It's amazing how quickly things can be beautifully morphed into completely different sounds. I've been shifting percussion loops into dnb style basslines and it sounds super clean and great (how???). Never would have thought of trying anything like that with any other module.
Overall I'm very happy with my purchase. The price seems very fair as well. Can't wait to see what additional programs are developed for it.
Funky40
danishchairs wrote:

The switch is circled in the photo below.

wow,
even after seeing your photo was i thinking "there is no switch" lol
...shitty light conditions in my livingroom.
That switch IS tiny.
But thats a real nice construction detail !

Thank you very much danishchairs for that service !
Amchucker
patchstorage.com/folder/
My first pure data patch with the template is a two channel wave folder
Cinema Perdu
what are the pro's and con's of using the 5 volts vs 12 volts ?
is one better then the other?
mortal3
Cinema Perdu wrote:
what are the pro's and con's of using the 5 volts vs 12 volts ?
is one better then the other?


From my understanding it just eases the load on the 12 volt rail. Handy if you are nearing your 80% of total supply capacity. I run all my noise engineering voices on +5 for this reason alone.
ersatzplanet
mortal3 wrote:
Cinema Perdu wrote:
what are the pro's and con's of using the 5 volts vs 12 volts ?
is one better then the other?


From my understanding it just eases the load on the 12 volt rail. Handy if you are nearing your 80% of total supply capacity. I run all my noise engineering voices on +5 for this reason alone.


Basically that is the main reason. The only other reason I can think of is that digital circuitry is commonly run on +5V so by using that as the supply for the module, you are *somewhat* isolating some of the possible digital noise from the +12V line where most of your other analog modules live. Since the Nebulae is running off a Raspberry Pi computer, using the +5V poser *may* isolate some of the noise generated on the power lines by the Pi computer to being only on the +5v buss.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:
Since the Nebulae is running off a Raspberry Pi computer, using the +5V poser *may* isolate some of the noise generated on the power lines by the Pi computer to being only on the +5v buss.

hmm, thats a good point !
uniquepersonno2
ersatzplanet wrote:
mortal3 wrote:
Cinema Perdu wrote:
what are the pro's and con's of using the 5 volts vs 12 volts ?
is one better then the other?


From my understanding it just eases the load on the 12 volt rail. Handy if you are nearing your 80% of total supply capacity. I run all my noise engineering voices on +5 for this reason alone.


Basically that is the main reason. The only other reason I can think of is that digital circuitry is commonly run on +5V so by using that as the supply for the module, you are *somewhat* isolating some of the possible digital noise from the +12V line where most of your other analog modules live. Since the Nebulae is running off a Raspberry Pi computer, using the +5V poser *may* isolate some of the noise generated on the power lines by the Pi computer to being only on the +5v buss.


I know nothing about electronics, but on PSU’s where they +5v is derived directly from the +12v rail (Doepfer psu3, any psu while using a +5v adapter) I’m assuming this isolation wouldn’t occur? Trying to figure out if I might see any improvement on my system...
ersatzplanet
uniquepersonno2 wrote:

I know nothing about electronics, but on PSU’s where they +5v is derived directly from the +12v rail (Doepfer psu3, any psu while using a +5v adapter) I’m assuming this isolation wouldn’t occur? Trying to figure out if I might see any improvement on my system...


Like the onboard supply of the module itself, it all depends on how the +5 is derived from the +12. If there is sufficient filtering and isolation, it means less "noise" gets swapped back and forth. On the Doepfer PS# supply, the 5V and 12V both start off being switcher power supplies, but the 12v sides (both positive and negative) are then run through linear regulators and filtering caps and such the switching noise is reduced if not eliminated (I haven't got one to look at). One would also expect any noise coming back through the switching 5V supply would be filtered and reduced also (depending on ground paths too). The shared circuitry in the Doepfer supply is before the regulators and filters I would imagine. The same applies to an adaptor that sits on the 12v bus and makes the 5v.

The main thing is that it doesn't hurt anything to use the bus 5V supply if you have enough there to use (beware some supplies are surprising skimpy in the 5v side). Reducing the load on the 12v side is always a positive because then the regulators have to work less, and hence better.
uniquepersonno2
ersatzplanet wrote:
uniquepersonno2 wrote:

I know nothing about electronics, but on PSU’s where they +5v is derived directly from the +12v rail (Doepfer psu3, any psu while using a +5v adapter) I’m assuming this isolation wouldn’t occur? Trying to figure out if I might see any improvement on my system...


Like the onboard supply of the module itself, it all depends on how the +5 is derived from the +12. If there is sufficient filtering and isolation, it means less "noise" gets swapped back and forth. On the Doepfer PS# supply, the 5V and 12V both start off being switcher power supplies, but the 12v sides (both positive and negative) are then run through linear regulators and filtering caps and such the switching noise is reduced if not eliminated (I haven't got one to look at). One would also expect any noise coming back through the switching 5V supply would be filtered and reduced also (depending on ground paths too). The shared circuitry in the Doepfer supply is before the regulators and filters I would imagine. The same applies to an adaptor that sits on the 12v bus and makes the 5v.

The main thing is that it doesn't hurt anything to use the bus 5V supply if you have enough there to use (beware some supplies are surprising skimpy in the 5v side). Reducing the load on the 12v side is always a positive because then the regulators have to work less, and hence better.


Got it, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
rhodopsinist
Hi all,
I am very excited to receive my Nebulae recently but mine is not working properly...Anyone familiar with Raspberry Pi how to check and fix it??? I think there should be problem with the firmware or even the little computer itself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjZnkRBWK4

1. As booting the module as normal, it does load the file in the USB drive. However all the knobs and buttons are not responsive, and the playback of the file sounds strange. Even when I press "file" or "source" button it doesn't change anything. However when I input a slow sinewave LFO into file CV input, it responses. I didn't change anything inside the USB drive.
2. I checked the total power of the system, and remove some modules to make it down to 1200mA (+12V) including the Nebulae. It still doesn't help the situation no matter switching to use +12V or +5V, but with both powerup method the module can startup. (I use makenoise power busboard) I later tried using an empty tiptop studio bus to supply power solely to Nebulae, to eliminate the effect of power limit, however it doesn't help too.
3. I checked the USB drive, it is in FAT16 format. I tried to format it several times and reload the original sample files but it still doesn't help. I tried another larger USB drive (64GB) and formatted as FAT32, not helpful too.
4. I followed the instruction in the manual to "revert to factory firmware" (it doesn't need a filename extension right?), it does spend some time to reload the firmware when booting, but still doesn't work.
5. I tried to enable the instr selector, and loaded the instr to the USB drive root directory, but when I press and hold SPEED knob it is not responsive too.

Many many thanks!
uniquepersonno2
rhodopsinist wrote:
Hi all,
I am very excited to receive my Nebulae recently but mine is not working properly...Anyone familiar with Raspberry Pi how to check and fix it??? I think there should be problem with the firmware or even the little computer itself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjZnkRBWK4

1. As booting the module as normal, it does load the file in the USB drive. However all the knobs and buttons are not responsive, and the playback of the file sounds strange. Even when I press "file" or "source" button it doesn't change anything. However when I input a slow sinewave LFO into file CV input, it responses. I didn't change anything inside the USB drive.
2. I checked the total power of the system, and remove some modules to make it down to 1200mA (+12V) including the Nebulae. It still doesn't help the situation no matter switching to use +12V or +5V, but with both powerup method the module can startup. (I use makenoise power busboard) I later tried using an empty tiptop studio bus to supply power solely to Nebulae, to eliminate the effect of power limit, however it doesn't help too.
3. I checked the USB drive, it is in FAT16 format. I tried to format it several times and reload the original sample files but it still doesn't help. I tried another larger USB drive (64GB) and formatted as FAT32, not helpful too.
4. I followed the instruction in the manual to "revert to factory firmware" (it doesn't need a filename extension right?), it does spend some time to reload the firmware when booting, but still doesn't work.
5. I tried to enable the instr selector, and loaded the instr to the USB drive root directory, but when I press and hold SPEED knob it is not responsive too.

Many many thanks!


What power supply are you using? Getting your use down to 1200ma wouldn't matter if, say, your psu can only output 1000ma.
danishchairs
rhodopsinist wrote:
Hi all,
I am very excited to receive my Nebulae recently but mine is not working properly...Anyone familiar with Raspberry Pi how to check and fix it??? I think there should be problem with the firmware or even the little computer itself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjZnkRBWK4


Making the video was very helpful.

rhodopsinist wrote:
1. As booting the module as normal, it does load the file in the USB drive. However all the knobs and buttons are not responsive, and the playback of the file sounds strange. Even when I press "file" or "source" button it doesn't change anything. However when I input a slow sinewave LFO into file CV input, it responses. I didn't change anything inside the USB drive.

Try rotating the Blend knob fully clockwise.

rhodopsinist wrote:
2. I checked the total power of the system, and remove some modules to make it down to 1200mA (+12V) including the Nebulae. It still doesn't help the situation no matter switching to use +12V or +5V, but with both powerup method the module can startup. (I use makenoise power busboard) I later tried using an empty tiptop studio bus to supply power solely to Nebulae, to eliminate the effect of power limit, however it doesn't help too.

uniquepersonno2 has made a good point about power.

rhodopsinist wrote:
3. I checked the USB drive, it is in FAT16 format.

That seems unusual. The manual indicates that the USB stick is formatted FAT32.

rhodopsinist wrote:
I tried to format it several times and reload the original sample files but it still doesn't help. I tried another larger USB drive (64GB) and formatted as FAT32, not helpful too.

Sounds like you’re formatting the USB stick FAT32. Good.

rhodopsinist wrote:
4. I followed the instruction in the manual to "revert to factory firmware" (it doesn't need a filename extension right?), it does spend some time to reload the firmware when booting, but still doesn't work.

That’s what I would have done, too. (AFAIK, it doesn’t need an extension.) Did you also then reboot the module, as per the instructions?

rhodopsinist wrote:
5. I tried to enable the instr selector, and loaded the instr to the USB drive root directory, but when I press and hold SPEED knob it is not responsive too.

I would have assumed that, if you had successfully loaded the original factory firmware, you would also get the original factory audio files. (However, I don’t know if my assumption is correct.) If you did get the original audio files, then you shouldn’t need to change instruments in order to test your module.

In your video, the File button light is also blinking. I don’t know what that means, but the folks at Qu-Bit might recognize that behavior.

You may have changed a few settings in your attempts to test the module, so I might recommend you start again by reformatting a USB stick in FAT32 format, and then follow the procedure to revert to the factory firmware. (I know you’ve already done these steps, but from a distance, it’s impossible to tell if you did anything else, too.) once it finishes reloading the factory firmware, reboot the module (probably by power cycling the case).

When it comes back up, turn the Blend knob fully clockwise. If all is working, you should be in the granular instrument with the default audio file playing, and all the knobs will adjust their respective parameters.

If all is still not working, I would recommend reaching out to Qu-Bit. They have a contact form on their website.

rhodopsinist wrote:
Many many thanks!

Best wishes!
rhodopsinist
rhodopsinist wrote:
1. As booting the module as normal, it does load the file in the USB drive. However all the knobs and buttons are not responsive, and the playback of the file sounds strange. Even when I press "file" or "source" button it doesn't change anything. However when I input a slow sinewave LFO into file CV input, it responses. I didn't change anything inside the USB drive.

Try rotating the Blend knob fully clockwise.

Not successful too.

rhodopsinist wrote:
2. I checked the total power of the system, and remove some modules to make it down to 1200mA (+12V) including the Nebulae. It still doesn't help the situation no matter switching to use +12V or +5V, but with both powerup method the module can startup. (I use makenoise power busboard) I later tried using an empty tiptop studio bus to supply power solely to Nebulae, to eliminate the effect of power limit, however it doesn't help too.

uniquepersonno2 has made a good point about power.

I now use 2x tiptop studiobus, therefore it definitely supply enough current for +12V.


When it comes back up, turn the Blend knob fully clockwise. If all is working, you should be in the granular instrument with the default audio file playing, and all the knobs will adjust their respective parameters.

If all is still not working, I would recommend reaching out to Qu-Bit. They have a contact form on their website.


Yes I contacted Qubit and they replied it is getting stuck on the Edit Function page. Once Nebulae boots up, the right speed LED should be blue and both pitch LEDs should be blue.
I am arranging to return Nebulae, hope to get the new one soon!



Thank you you guys for the help!!
earlabs
Okay, I am totally overwhelmed by the sound qualities of the Nv2.

A question: when I push source in order to go to “live source” mode, should the button lighten up? I ask this because I can’t for the world get it to work. Thi only thing that works is that I use the cv input for source and set it to high voltage.
Trebbers
Yeah, the light should toggle on/off depending on the mode.
Cortega
earlabs wrote:
Okay, I am totally overwhelmed by the sound qualities of the Nv2.

A question: when I push source in order to go to “live source” mode, should the button lighten up? I ask this because I can’t for the world get it to work. Thi only thing that works is that I use the cv input for source and set it to high voltage.


i have to hit it fast and hard then it works, the buttons seem to have not a good quality, pretty unresponsive
Funky40
Cortega wrote:
the button seem to have not a good quality, pretty unresponsive

same here.
in my case it seems that i have to wait a bit after powering on, then the source button works.
since several people have "issues" with that button i wonder if they´d could do something by software ?
earlabs
Cortega wrote:
earlabs wrote:
Okay, I am totally overwhelmed by the sound qualities of the Nv2.

A question: when I push source in order to go to “live source” mode, should the button lighten up? I ask this because I can’t for the world get it to work. Thi only thing that works is that I use the cv input for source and set it to high voltage.


i have to hit it fast and hard then it works, the buttons seem to have not a good quality, pretty unresponsive


WORKED !! THNX

What a great tool it is.
ersatzplanet
Cortega wrote:
earlabs wrote:
Okay, I am totally overwhelmed by the sound qualities of the Nv2.

A question: when I push source in order to go to “live source” mode, should the button lighten up? I ask this because I can’t for the world get it to work. Thi only thing that works is that I use the cv input for source and set it to high voltage.


i have to hit it fast and hard then it works, the buttons seem to have not a good quality, pretty unresponsive


Remember this button has a dual function. If you hold it down, it switches to the Secondary Control Menu. THAT is why you have to hit it fast, not because it is a cheap button.

From the manual:

"A secondary set of controls is accessible when holding down the source button.
Once the source button has been held for 250 ms, the LEDs will shift to display the state of the secondary settings.
With source pressed down, pressing any of the other buttons or turning the knobs will affect the secondary controls.
Releasing the source button returns the controls back to their primary functions."
earlabs
ersatzplanet wrote:
Cortega wrote:
earlabs wrote:
Okay, I am totally overwhelmed by the sound qualities of the Nv2.

A question: when I push source in order to go to “live source” mode, should the button lighten up? I ask this because I can’t for the world get it to work. Thi only thing that works is that I use the cv input for source and set it to high voltage.


i have to hit it fast and hard then it works, the buttons seem to have not a good quality, pretty unresponsive


Remember this button has a dual function. If you hold it down, it switches to the Secondary Control Menu. THAT is why you have to hit it fast, not because it is a cheap button.

From the manual:

"A secondary set of controls is accessible when holding down the source button.
Once the source button has been held for 250 ms, the LEDs will shift to display the state of the secondary settings.
With source pressed down, pressing any of the other buttons or turning the knobs will affect the secondary controls.
Releasing the source button returns the controls back to their primary functions."


You just have to tap it, basically. Not even press your finger on it. Just a tap does the trick.
StateAzure
Am I right in that there's no way to re-trigger the loop in granular looping mode? According to the manual there doesn't seem to be a trigger input, only a reset. One shot obviously has trigger input, but that wont do what I want.

I was hoping to send gates to the Nebulae in this mode and do some crazy glitch in sync with some drums, but it's just very messy sounding (not in a good way)
mortal3
StateAzure wrote:
Am I right in that there's no way to re-trigger the loop in granular looping mode? According to the manual there doesn't seem to be a trigger input, only a reset. One shot obviously has trigger input, but that wont do what I want.

I was hoping to send gates to the Nebulae in this mode and do some crazy glitch in sync with some drums, but it's just very messy sounding (not in a good way)

This is how I use it, I too had the same aspirations, got a perc patch goin and sending reset gates from the varigate in certain intervals with vocal samples. Playing with size and start positions, tune to taste. Then layer more.... And repeat. Reset input works for me, sounds rad. Reset is basically the ' trigger' you speak of?
StateAzure
mortal3 wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
Am I right in that there's no way to re-trigger the loop in granular looping mode? According to the manual there doesn't seem to be a trigger input, only a reset. One shot obviously has trigger input, but that wont do what I want.

I was hoping to send gates to the Nebulae in this mode and do some crazy glitch in sync with some drums, but it's just very messy sounding (not in a good way)

This is how I use it, I too had the same aspirations, got a perc patch goin and sending reset gates from the varigate in certain intervals with vocal samples. Playing with size and start positions, tune to taste. Then layer more.... And repeat. Reset input works for me, sounds rad. Reset is basically the ' trigger' you speak of?


Yeah! I've just been testing this again it does work quite well, I'm using the voltage block to adjust the Start parameter, with Eloquencer sending gates to the reset. Getting good initial Start CV values for each step/reset seems to be the key here. Enjoying it much more now smile
earlabs
StateAzure wrote:
mortal3 wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
Am I right in that there's no way to re-trigger the loop in granular looping mode? According to the manual there doesn't seem to be a trigger input, only a reset. One shot obviously has trigger input, but that wont do what I want.

I was hoping to send gates to the Nebulae in this mode and do some crazy glitch in sync with some drums, but it's just very messy sounding (not in a good way)

This is how I use it, I too had the same aspirations, got a perc patch goin and sending reset gates from the varigate in certain intervals with vocal samples. Playing with size and start positions, tune to taste. Then layer more.... And repeat. Reset input works for me, sounds rad. Reset is basically the ' trigger' you speak of?


Yeah! I've just been testing this again it does work quite well, I'm using the voltage block to adjust the Start parameter, with Eloquencer sending gates to the reset. Getting good initial Start CV values for each step/reset seems to be the key here. Enjoying it much more now smile


And yet... What do I do when I want long intervals? Make files with a length of 30 seconds, 1 minute?
StateAzure
earlabs wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
mortal3 wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
Am I right in that there's no way to re-trigger the loop in granular looping mode? According to the manual there doesn't seem to be a trigger input, only a reset. One shot obviously has trigger input, but that wont do what I want.

I was hoping to send gates to the Nebulae in this mode and do some crazy glitch in sync with some drums, but it's just very messy sounding (not in a good way)

This is how I use it, I too had the same aspirations, got a perc patch goin and sending reset gates from the varigate in certain intervals with vocal samples. Playing with size and start positions, tune to taste. Then layer more.... And repeat. Reset input works for me, sounds rad. Reset is basically the ' trigger' you speak of?


Yeah! I've just been testing this again it does work quite well, I'm using the voltage block to adjust the Start parameter, with Eloquencer sending gates to the reset. Getting good initial Start CV values for each step/reset seems to be the key here. Enjoying it much more now smile


And yet... What do I do when I want long intervals? Make files with a length of 30 seconds, 1 minute?


Yeah I guess so. I was using one of the factory samples on the USB stick, it seemed fairly long.
danishchairs
earlabs wrote:

And yet... What do I do when I want long intervals? Make files with a length of 30 seconds, 1 minute?

Yes, I think your idea could work. You might also be able to make use of the Freeze capability on the Nebulae (Neb2), or use a switch of some kind to route the output of the Neb2 away during the interval, or cut off the output of the Neb2 with a VCA during the interval. Probably lots more options.
TwinAmCathedral
Plugged mine in last night, it's working fine but I feel like it's making a slight burning smell?

Anyone else experience this? Module is plugged in properly and I've got a few amps of headroom on my power supply as well. Something with the raspberry pi maybe?
Amchucker
Nebulae V2 Clouds Patch

https://patchstorage.com/quclouds/



TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2
pichenettes
Quote:
TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2


Good lord, the thought of cultural archeologists from 2090 trying to parse this.
Amchucker
pichenettes wrote:
Quote:
TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2


Good lord, the thought of cultural archeologists from 2090 trying to parse this.


Haha there is too much credit to give it’s more a tag lol
Oh shit it’s you lol dude thanks for the work I appreciate it idk how you found the correct classes and everything and I never messed with cmake before

Edit: sorry confused the GitHub names haha great coding!
danishchairs
pichenettes wrote:
Quote:
TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2


Good lord, the thought of cultural archeologists from 2090 trying to parse this.


Here’s something to help those cultural archeologists at their conference presentation in 2090: http://forum.critterandguitari.com/t/mutable-instrument-patches/1421
ersatzplanet
A fun trick to do with the Nebulae now that it is stereo. This can be don on most stereo WAV players (I have done in on a 4ms STS for instance) but the unique time change abilities of the Nebulae allow much more.

Please excuse the iPhone video sound (done off the onboard Mic)

ersatzplanet
Also I ran into the problem mention earlier in this thread. When making the video shown above, I loaded ONLY the one loop onto the stick and when I tried loading it into the Nebulae, it didn't load or erase the files in the Nebulae. I had to put more than ONE file on the stick before it erased the internal files in the Nebulae. I don't know if this is a file number limitation (need more than one file on the stick), or a file size limitation (need to load over XXXmb). I put three more files on the stick and it loaded all the first time. Looks like something to investigate.
earlabs
ersatzplanet wrote:
Also I ran into the problem mention earlier in this thread. When making the video shown above, I loaded ONLY the one loop onto the stick and when I tried loading it into the Nebulae, it didn't load or erase the files in the Nebulae. I had to put more than ONE file on the stick before it erased the internal files in the Nebulae. I don't know if this is a file number limitation (need more than one file on the stick), or a file size limitation (need to load over XXXmb). I put three more files on the stick and it loaded all the first time. Looks like something to investigate.


But doesn’t it erase only when there is not enough space anymore?
earlabs
TwinAmCathedral wrote:
Plugged mine in last night, it's working fine but I feel like it's making a slight burning smell?

Anyone else experience this? Module is plugged in properly and I've got a few amps of headroom on my power supply as well. Something with the raspberry pi maybe?


Smell: yes. I too found that a bit alarming (and checked all the connections in the back) but it goes away after a few hours of use.
TwinAmCathedral
earlabs wrote:
TwinAmCathedral wrote:
Plugged mine in last night, it's working fine but I feel like it's making a slight burning smell?

Anyone else experience this? Module is plugged in properly and I've got a few amps of headroom on my power supply as well. Something with the raspberry pi maybe?


Smell: yes. I too found that a bit alarming (and checked all the connections in the back) but it goes away after a few hours of use.


Glad I'm not the only one, is it the raspberry pi heating up and giving off flux smell or what? seriously, i just don't get it
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:
Also I ran into the problem mention earlier in this thread. ..............., it didn't load or erase the files in the Nebulae.
..............Looks like something to investigate.

Thanks for posting !
JoeFuture
Has the Nebulae development guide been taken down? I swear I saw it on Qu-Bit's website the other day, but now when I look at the module page, the "Downloads" section isn't there anymore.

Am I looking in the right place?
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/modules/nebulae
danishchairs
JoeFuture wrote:
Has the Nebulae development guide been taken down? I swear I saw it on Qu-Bit's website the other day, but now when I look at the module page, the "Downloads" section isn't there anymore.

Am I looking in the right place?
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/modules/nebulae

Hmm, I thought it was easier to find last week. Anyway, after some searching, here’s the link:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments
solaris
is it normal that the output level of the granular processor is louder than the phase-vocoder when the window shape is set to SQUARE?
StateAzure
Here my first proper play with the Nebulae V2 (and some Morphagene) using my own sample (piano improv.). Really loving the sound design potential of the Nebulae, it's awesome having separate speed and pitch. For most of this, the sample doesn't sound like the original sample at all. Wait until near the end and I unplug the modulation to hear it un-mangled.

Had a weird issue when first booting the Nebulae with the new sample on the USB stick. The lights would just stay aqua for 15 minutes +, so I just pulled the card out to make it load in the end..Not sure what it's doing the whole time, surely it doesn't take that long to load a 3min sample?

ersatzplanet
StateAzure wrote:
Had a weird issue when first booting the Nebulae with the new sample on the USB stick. The lights would just stay aqua for 15 minutes +, so I just pulled the card out to make it load in the end..Not sure what it's doing the whole time, surely it doesn't take that long to load a 3min sample?


The Nebulae converts samples that are in a different format than its native one so if the samples weren’t the same file format or sample rate, it will take time to convert. I assuming this though.
mortal3
ersatzplanet wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
Had a weird issue when first booting the Nebulae with the new sample on the USB stick. The lights would just stay aqua for 15 minutes +, so I just pulled the card out to make it load in the end..Not sure what it's doing the whole time, surely it doesn't take that long to load a 3min sample?


The Nebulae converts samples that are in a different format than its native one so if the samples weren’t the same file format or sample rate, it will take time to convert. I assuming this though.


I actually had this randomly happen to me, just with the factory files/ stick etc. It had basically frozen during boot up it seems. I just powered down, removed the stick, did the ol blow on it, then flicked her back on and was fine.
jonleebrown
I've been playing with a V2 for a week or so. Absolutely adore it, and plan to play it out for a show--there it would be ideal if the module remembered its previous settings on power up: selected file, primary and secondary knob positions...

It seems to me that this isnt the case--if it's not yet, could it be made so?
bago
That‘s exactly what I am missing too. A way of saving state.
It is nearly impossible now to develop a patch and record it the other day.

Maybe a button-combo to manually save to one single slot, that would automatically reload on power up would be sufficient.
solaris
solaris wrote:
is it normal that the output level of the granular processor is louder than the phase-vocoder when the window shape is set to SQUARE?


also, it froze/crashed a couple of times and I had to shut down the power.
this happened while sending to it CV almost in every input (= I wasn't just playing manually with the knobs).
I tried to reproduce the fault but couldn't - for now.
ersatzplanet
jonleebrown wrote:
I've been playing with a V2 for a week or so. Absolutely adore it, and plan to play it out for a show--there it would be ideal if the module remembered its previous settings on power up: selected file, primary and secondary knob positions...

It seems to me that this isnt the case--if it's not yet, could it be made so?


The Nebulae and almost every Wav player out there is SO much better when used with a programmer. I have a Synthwerks PGM-4X4 attached to every one of my players controlling the four main parameters, pitch, speed, size and start. The Nebulae covers remembering the file. I know it is not a cheap solution for many, but for live the Nebulae/PGM-4X4 combo is a match that is perfect. A Pressure Points would do well there too.

Basically you can make a single "preset" using a panel of simple attenuators running off the power bus. Just use its knobs instead of the ones on the Nebulae and it will always be the same when you boot up power (as long as the knobs haven't been moved). The use of a programmers like the PGM-4X4 or the PP gives you 4 or more choices though.
ersatzplanet
earlabs wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
Also I ran into the problem mention earlier in this thread. When making the video shown above, I loaded ONLY the one loop onto the stick and when I tried loading it into the Nebulae, it didn't load or erase the files in the Nebulae. I had to put more than ONE file on the stick before it erased the internal files in the Nebulae. I don't know if this is a file number limitation (need more than one file on the stick), or a file size limitation (need to load over XXXmb). I put three more files on the stick and it loaded all the first time. Looks like something to investigate.


But doesn’t it erase only when there is not enough space anymore?


No, I have loaded a stick with fewer sounds on it than what were in the Nebulae when they were loaded, and the Nebulae re-wrote them all with the new batch, erasing all of the older ones. These were WAV files though. If you have Instruments files already loaded, a new stick with only WAV files on it will NOT erase them, only the WAV files. The same visa vera, a new stick with only Instrument files on it will only re-write Instrument files and not touch the WAV files in the module.
araguet
Hi, is there any way to Access the Nebulae 2 by WiFi or Ethernet?

When I connect an ethernet cable into the rj45 Jack all the lights are on, so I think that can be posible.

What happen if I boot any other RPi 3 with the Nebula SD card?

Thank you.
araguet
Ok, I can connect to the Nebulae by ethernet and login with user:arlam pwd: alarm.

Arch Linux for ARM is the SO.

One of this days I Will try to enable the WiFi and I Will not use the pendrive anymore, just load the folders from my Raspberry using ssh.

¿anybody did this?
thatguy
araguet wrote:
Ok, I can connect to the Nebulae by ethernet and login with user:arlam pwd: alarm.

Arch Linux for ARM is the SO.

One of this days I Will try to enable the WiFi and I Will not use the pendrive anymore, just load the folders from my Raspberry using ssh.

¿anybody did this?


nice detective work. Thank you for sharing. I've already created some alternate csound files adding some features that fit my workflow better, but I was curious about the python code that runs between the HW and the instr files. If I have time this week I might start poking around via ssh.
JoeFuture
I just love the thought of a Linux box running in my rack. Also looking forward to having time to spelunk through it. Did you figure out WiFi yet?
behndy
retriggering the Record throught and rando CV'ing the Size to do Particles (pedal) style stutter trails on Rings here -

[s]https://soundcloud.com/behndy/from-midpoint[/s]

https://soundcloud.com/behndy/from-midpoint
Zymos
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?
danishchairs
Zymos wrote:
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?

I think that’s the built-in composite video + stereo audio output port on the RPi.
araguet
JoeFuture wrote:
I just love the thought of a Linux box running in my rack. Also looking forward to having time to spelunk through it. Did you figure out WiFi yet?



What I saw for now is that the WiFi is not cofigured in the Arch Linux, I think that with the right commands it can be enabled.
araguet
JoeFuture wrote:
I just love the thought of a Linux box running in my rack. Also looking forward to having time to spelunk through it. Did you figure out WiFi yet?



What I saw for now is that the WiFi is not cofigured in the Arch Linux, I think that with the right commands it can be enabled.
araguet
danishchairs wrote:
Zymos wrote:
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?

I think that’s the built-in composite video + stereo audio output port on the RPi.


Hi, it is not composite, it is just audio, you have the HDMI port between the micro USD and the 1/8 out.
danishchairs
araguet wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
Zymos wrote:
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?

I think that’s the built-in composite video + stereo audio output port on the RPi.


Hi, it is not composite, it is just audio, you have the HDMI port between the micro USD and the 1/8 out.

Unless I’m looking at the wrong information (which is certainly possible), the RPi site indicates it’s a combined port: Specs and ports for the RPi 3.
ersatzplanet
danishchairs wrote:
araguet wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
Zymos wrote:
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?

I think that’s the built-in composite video + stereo audio output port on the RPi.


Hi, it is not composite, it is just audio, you have the HDMI port between the micro USD and the 1/8 out.

Unless I’m looking at the wrong information (which is certainly possible), the RPi site indicates it’s a combined port: Specs and ports for the RPi 3.


It is for this kind of cable, a TRRS plug. it would be stereo audio and the composite video. If the topology is done correctly, you can use a stereo TRS plug and get just the audio, but sometimes the companies wire them differently.

araguet
danishchairs wrote:
araguet wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
Zymos wrote:
What's the connector on the side (where the other ports are) that looks like an 1/8" jack?

I think that’s the built-in composite video + stereo audio output port on the RPi.


Hi, it is not composite, it is just audio, you have the HDMI port between the micro USD and the 1/8 out.

Unless I’m looking at the wrong information (which is certainly possible), the RPi site indicates it’s a combined port: Specs and ports for the RPi 3.



Yes you are right, I was wrong, it is a composite audio/video TRRS Jack. Sorry for that
NJR Buffalo
On the website it says that live audio can be processed, could someone with the module please make a video demonstrating this feature? Thank you.
araguet
NJR Buffalo wrote:
On the website it says that live audio can be processed, could someone with the module please make a video demonstrating this feature? Thank you.



This is a demo of the Nebulae "World Of Echo" function.
The Disting provides the audio (a recording of russian news from YouTube)
The Wogglebug provides the random gate values for the RDMN (a piece of Buchla SOU made by a friend of mine)

Controls in the Nebulae:
Start: Delay time (2 secs max.)
Size: Delay feedback
Density: Reverb time
Overlap: Reverb filter
Blend: balance between dry and wet signal
Window: Sends post-delay signal to the reverb bus

At the beginning we have the audio dry from the Disting.
Then I manipulate controls.
And finally I plug random voltages to the Start (Delay time), Blend (balance between dry and wet signal) and Window (Sends post-delay signal to the reverb bus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuXTMUyFOmk

BTW: I did a kind of tape delay in Pure Data that process audio in real time and the audio input works very well for me, no noticiable latency detected.

I hope that this was where you wera asking for.
Zymos
But with the main granular function, audio must first be recorded into the buffer, yes?
araguet
Zymos wrote:
But with the main granular function, audio must first be recorded into the buffer, yes?


Yes, once in the buffer you can manipulate, you have 5 min max record time.

Or you can use the wavs in the flash drive.

The concept of granularity is alway over recorded audio.

If you want something simmilar but un real time you need a kind of tape delay with speed (+ and -), position, range and feedback controls, so you can have granularity using the position and range controls.


I used Pure Data to make one.
thatguy
Zymos wrote:
But with the main granular function, audio must first be recorded into the buffer, yes?


With the default granular instrument you can process live audio by enabling continuous record mode by holding source and pressing record. The manual isn't super clear but with my testing it seems that after you do this you set the buffer length by the time between successive record triggerings, but you also need to make sure the record button is still on. I've gotten it to work this way and you can manipulate what's in the buffer as the live audio is being continuously recorded and it seems to work well. I've gotten some shimmer type delay effect using this and setting pitch up an octave etc. or just general madness with modulating multiple knobs. it doesn't save settings after power cycles so you have to set this up and other secondary functions after reboot which is slightly annoying. If I find time I might make a quick vid as it was something I was also curious about before the unit arrived.
SavageMessiah
thatguy wrote:
Zymos wrote:
But with the main granular function, audio must first be recorded into the buffer, yes?


With the default granular instrument you can process live audio by enabling continuous record mode by holding source and pressing record. The manual isn't super clear but with my testing it seems that after you do this you set the buffer length by the time between successive record triggerings, but you also need to make sure the record button is still on. I've gotten it to work this way and you can manipulate what's in the buffer as the live audio is being continuously recorded and it seems to work well. I've gotten some shimmer type delay effect using this and setting pitch up an octave etc. or just general madness with modulating multiple knobs. it doesn't save settings after power cycles so you have to set this up and other secondary functions after reboot which is slightly annoying. If I find time I might make a quick vid as it was something I was also curious about before the unit arrived.


I'd definitely appreciate a video demonstrating that, I didn't have much luck getting useful results out of the continuous recording based on my flailings and what little is in the manual. This thing could definitely use a morphagene type manual with tons of info and pictures on how to use it.
Funky40
thatguy wrote:
Zymos wrote:
But with the main granular function, audio must first be recorded into the buffer, yes?


With the default granular instrument you can process live audio by enabling continuous record mode by holding source and pressing record. The manual isn't super clear but with my testing it seems that after you do this you set the buffer length by the time between successive record triggerings, but you also need to make sure the record button is still on. I've gotten it to work this way and you can manipulate what's in the buffer as the live audio is being continuously recorded and it seems to work well.

i gave that a try too......
personally i couldn´t get out any really interesting results this way, speaking about musicality.
While having clouds anyway patched directly behind the Neb2 i could do great things with the same audio material in Clouds.
Must have been me, definitly ! But the Neb2 is not a Clouds..........my opinion so far
taylor12k
does anyone know what "circular recording" is that was mentioned in the manual ?

edit:
wait, i see, it's a secondary function option.... i'll have to try that out.
Zymos
It's what is being talked about in the posts right above yours.
thatguy


I made a quick video showing how I get sound on sound working. I just have a 3 octave arpeggio going from rings into the nebulae you can hear it raw in the beginning. I then turn on continuous record (source + record) then I hit record 3 times. afaik you either need to do this or have a recorded buffer already created before you enter continuous mode. The first 2 presses set's the buffer length and the 3rd turns record on again... I might be wrong but this is how I get it working consistently. The blend knob controls the wet dry and the effect becomes more obvious after I turn the pitch up an octave and you can hear the audio being continuously pitched up and get crazy when blend is turned up and density and overlap are turned up. then I'm just wiggling randomly for a bit and at the end the input stops but you can hear the sound on sound still working as I experiment.

side note: I've read my way through the source code and am creating some alternate instrument versions. Not sure if there is a great place to post things so I'll probably post those up on github when I'm finished so others can use them and contribute.
SavageMessiah
That was helpful, thanks. I guess it's kinda like setting up Time Lag Accumulation on a Morphagene when you're starting with an empty reel. Once they've updated the firmware to retain settings on power off and allow saving to usb this thing could be pretty great.

I was initially kinda disappointed because in my head this was somehow a morphagene but with more control and some clouds-ish features. The lack of playback control was what bothered me the most but I think I need to clear my head of the misconceptions and tackle this on its own terms.
thatguy
Depending on how much access there is to the hardware from the software level there shouldn't be much preventing some sort of morphagene functionality in an alternate instrument file. I plan to spend some time this weekend digging in and am more focused on live manipulation than saved file playback. I feel like the biggest obstacle would be lack of access to the file system for saving things like splice points or your own recordings, but since this is just a computer in a module that could probably be fixed. Though I wish there was more info about future plans from qu-bit about what's happening through official update channels. The ability to edit the software was the selling point for me as I'm a developer but have no hardware DIY chops. I'm also excited for the euroshield1 coming from 1010 which is just a teensy on a module.
danishchairs
thatguy wrote:


I made a quick video showing how I get sound on sound working. I just have a 3 octave arpeggio going from rings into the nebulae you can hear it raw in the beginning. I then turn on continuous record (source + record) then I hit record 3 times. afaik you either need to do this or have a recorded buffer already created before you enter continuous mode. The first 2 presses set's the buffer length and the 3rd turns record on again... I might be wrong but this is how I get it working consistently. The blend knob controls the wet dry and the effect becomes more obvious after I turn the pitch up an octave and you can hear the audio being continuously pitched up and get crazy when blend is turned up and density and overlap are turned up. then I'm just wiggling randomly for a bit and at the end the input stops but you can hear the sound on sound still working as I experiment.

Very nice - thanks! I think you’ve just helped a lot of us get a start on live, circular recording/processing with the Neb2 using the granular instrument. applause
FrogStar
thatguy wrote:


I made a quick video showing how I get sound on sound working. I just have a 3 octave arpeggio going from rings into the nebulae you can hear it raw in the beginning. I then turn on continuous record (source + record) then I hit record 3 times. afaik you either need to do this or have a recorded buffer already created before you enter continuous mode. The first 2 presses set's the buffer length and the 3rd turns record on again... I might be wrong but this is how I get it working consistently. The blend knob controls the wet dry and the effect becomes more obvious after I turn the pitch up an octave and you can hear the audio being continuously pitched up and get crazy when blend is turned up and density and overlap are turned up. then I'm just wiggling randomly for a bit and at the end the input stops but you can hear the sound on sound still working as I experiment.

side note: I've read my way through the source code and am creating some alternate instrument versions. Not sure if there is a great place to post things so I'll probably post those up on github when I'm finished so others can use them and contribute.


Agreed! Thanks a lot. I was struggling to get my head around it.
Zymos
I'm confused! hmmm.....
Under what conditions would changing Pitch speed up and slow down audio? I captured some beats, Blend is fully CW.

Same thing happening when playing from USB. ???
Cinema Perdu
I read the question wrong sorry
danishchairs
Zymos wrote:
I'm confused! hmmm.....
Under what conditions would changing Pitch speed up and slow down audio? I captured some beats, Blend is fully CW.

Same thing happening when playing from USB. ???

Not sure, but one possibility is that your module is in the “One-Shot Polyphonic Sample Player” instrument. (This is one of the instruments that comes with the original firmware.) According to the manual pages for that instrument, Pitch controls the “Global Varispeed offset.”
Zymos
Supposedly, the regular granular mode was still loaded (first light was brightest). I rebooted a couple of times, and then loaded a different instrument, then reloaded the granular one, and things were back to normal.
Artsy Moods
Hey guys, really need help as my Nebula V2 is stuck exactly like on this video at the end of my post.

I've put out the sd card on the back and when doing this it just ligths up white on the 4 leds and some buttons, but at least it's doing something different than booting and getting stuck with green and violet leds like on the video. So I thought maybe the files on the sd were corrupted; my friend in town order a V2 at the same time and he has the same problem...

QuBits offered me to send it back to fix, which I'll probably endup doing soon if nothing works, but I'm living in France and it'll mean a month or so without it while I was already waiting for weeks to get it to finish an EP I'm working on, missing only fx from it...

So if some of you guys are reading this, can you help me to try to get it work as intended by sending the files on your sd card so I can reload mine with uncorrupted files please???

Thanks you very very much Nebulae V2 Problem
solaris
Artsy Moods wrote:
Hey guys, really need help as my Nebula V2 is stuck exactly like on this video at the end of my post.


I have a very similar issue: the module works fine for about 10 to 30 minutes, then it freezes and outputs a very short slice of audio, and neither the pots nor the buttons nor the CV inputs respond anymore, as in your video – the only way out is to power off + on again the case, but the problem manifests again after a while, so that's not really a solution...

I got it via a reseller, and they told me to send it back for a replacement. I suppose you should do the same.
Artsy Moods
solaris wrote:

I have a very similar issue: the module works fine for about 10 to 30 minutes, then it freezes and outputs a very short slice of audio, and neither the pots nor the buttons nor the CV inputs respond anymore, as in your video – the only way out is to power off + on again the case, but the problem manifests again after a while, so that's not really a solution...

I got it via a reseller, and they told me to send it back for a replacement. I suppose you should do the same.


Yep, definitely something wrong in some units... that's kinda understandable as we're in the first months of this new module, hope they get it more stable very quickly.

Sorry to ask again, but If there's anyone who has a tiny little time to send me the sd card's files I would be eternally grateful!! smile Thanks!
Artsy Moods
Just to report on this issue; a gent sent me the fat32 files from his sd card, I copy/paste them on mine and discovered there was a missing file named "System Volume Information".
.. still nothing happen when booting very frustrating so close lol.

Anyway, from my mac I've seen there's a big Linux partition on there too, but those weren't sent to me; anyone here to help please? That may help other guys running into the same problem btw, as it seems I'm not alone with this...

Thanks guys!
rhodopsinist
Artsy Moods wrote:
Hey guys, really need help as my Nebula V2 is stuck exactly like on this video at the end of my post.

I've put out the sd card on the back and when doing this it just ligths up white on the 4 leds and some buttons, but at least it's doing something different than booting and getting stuck with green and violet leds like on the video. So I thought maybe the files on the sd were corrupted; my friend in town order a V2 at the same time and he has the same problem...

QuBits offered me to send it back to fix, which I'll probably endup doing soon if nothing works, but I'm living in France and it'll mean a month or so without it while I was already waiting for weeks to get it to finish an EP I'm working on, missing only fx from it...

So if some of you guys are reading this, can you help me to try to get it work as intended by sending the files on your sd card so I can reload mine with uncorrupted files please???

Thanks you very very much Nebulae V2 Problem




same here...sent mine to them for replacement. I live in Macau so it means I have to wait longer than you guys for the return, thanks to their notorious USPS...


I captured the files of both the USB drive and the SD card from the Rasberry Pi of the Nebulae module before, not sure if it is the origin of the problem but perhaps can give a try, hope this help...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/acloe21f4ehhrbn/Nebulae%20library.zip?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wov9efw3x3nanl9/nebulae%20firmware.zip?dl=0
JoeFuture
Well, this is certainly a concerning trend. Crossing my fingers that mine doesn't fail before they can figure out the problem and (hopefully) patch it in software. I just went through the corruption issue with my new Eloquencer too. I guess this is the price of being an early adopter.
Zymos
My laptop wouldn't read the USB stick for whatever reason, anyway, just got around to trying it on another computer, and discovered there are a bunch of folders of other samples.

Guess it only reads the ones on the root, anyway, if anyone is looking for some more samples to play with, there ya go....
ersatzplanet
Zymos wrote:
My laptop wouldn't read the USB stick for whatever reason, anyway, just got around to trying it on another computer, and discovered there are a bunch of folders of other samples.

Guess it only reads the ones on the root, anyway, if anyone is looking for some more samples to play with, there ya go....


Yes it reads only files in the root. There are some good samples in that "z_SampleLibraies" folder. The ones in the root are examples from these folders. If you like a certain one in the root, you will find more from the same person in the "z_SampleLibraies" folder.
jii75
I bought Nebulae V2 couple of weeks ago and it has been just great. Fun and easy to use. But. Since yesterday I have not been able to load any new sounds in it. I did copy new samples to USB stick, put it to back Nebulae but it's still playing those old samples. I have tried different USB stick, format those again etc. Used also just few samples, but no luck. Can't change samples any more.

I have contacted Qu-Bit support, and seems that they have good support, friendly and fast responds.

But has someone else faced same kind of issues with USB?
StateAzure
jii75 wrote:
I bought Nebulae V2 couple of weeks ago and it has been just great. Fun and easy to use. But. Since yesterday I have not been able to load any new sounds in it. I did copy new samples to USB stick, put it to back Nebulae but it's still playing those old samples. I have tried different USB stick, format those again etc. Used also just few samples, but no luck. Can't change samples any more.

I have contacted Qu-Bit support, and seems that they have good support, friendly and fast responds.

But has someone else faced same kind of issues with USB?


I'm not sure if it's the same issue, but several times mine has become stuck in the loading sequence (aqua lights) and will not finish loading unless I pull the USB stick out during the loading (which I assume is not recommended). Hopefully an update is coming soon.
ersatzplanet
StateAzure wrote:
jii75 wrote:
I bought Nebulae V2 couple of weeks ago and it has been just great. Fun and easy to use. But. Since yesterday I have not been able to load any new sounds in it. I did copy new samples to USB stick, put it to back Nebulae but it's still playing those old samples. I have tried different USB stick, format those again etc. Used also just few samples, but no luck. Can't change samples any more.

I have contacted Qu-Bit support, and seems that they have good support, friendly and fast responds.

But has someone else faced same kind of issues with USB?


I'm not sure if it's the same issue, but several times mine has become stuck in the loading sequence (aqua lights) and will not finish loading unless I pull the USB stick out during the loading (which I assume is not recommended). Hopefully an update is coming soon.


I found that there seems to be a "threshold" of the number of new files on the stick before old files are overwritten. I tried loading a stick with a few files and nothing happened. I added a few more files to the stick and it worked fine. I don't know if it is a file number thing or file size thing, and never got around to doing any testing with it.

Try adding some more files to the stick or adding one large file and see what happens.
jii75
ersatzplanet wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
jii75 wrote:
I bought Nebulae V2 couple of weeks ago and it has been just great. Fun and easy to use. But. Since yesterday I have not been able to load any new sounds in it. I did copy new samples to USB stick, put it to back Nebulae but it's still playing those old samples. I have tried different USB stick, format those again etc. Used also just few samples, but no luck. Can't change samples any more.

I have contacted Qu-Bit support, and seems that they have good support, friendly and fast responds.

But has someone else faced same kind of issues with USB?


I'm not sure if it's the same issue, but several times mine has become stuck in the loading sequence (aqua lights) and will not finish loading unless I pull the USB stick out during the loading (which I assume is not recommended). Hopefully an update is coming soon.


I found that there seems to be a "threshold" of the number of new files on the stick before old files are overwritten. I tried loading a stick with a few files and nothing happened. I added a few more files to the stick and it worked fine. I don't know if it is a file number thing or file size thing, and never got around to doing any testing with it.

Try adding some more files to the stick or adding one large file and see what happens.


Thanks for tips. But I think, in my case there might be hardware problem. Because I noticed that in boot phase there was no reading from USB at all. I did try several USB sticks, and did try everything. So finally today I took Nebulae out from rack, and took connector away between from board and rasberry. I did put USB stick one of four rasberry's USB ports. And yes, now I was able to load new samples to Nebulae. Then I change everything like before. Situation was again same, can't load new samples from USB port from panel. Here is picture:

danishchairs
jii75 wrote:
... Thanks for tips. But I think, in my case there might be hardware problem. Because I noticed that in boot phase there was no reading from USB at all. I did try several USB sticks, and did try everything. So finally today I took Nebulae out from rack, and took connector away between from board and rasberry. I did put USB stick one of four rasberry's USB ports. And yes, now I was able to load new samples to Nebulae. Then I change everything like before. Situation was again same, can't load new samples from USB port from panel. Here is picture:


Good sleuthing! So could the problem be a bad connecting cable between the RPi and the Nebulae? (The cable looks crimped in the photo, but perhaps that’s because of the angle the picture was taken.)
jii75
danishchairs wrote:
jii75 wrote:
... Thanks for tips. But I think, in my case there might be hardware problem. Because I noticed that in boot phase there was no reading from USB at all. I did try several USB sticks, and did try everything. So finally today I took Nebulae out from rack, and took connector away between from board and rasberry. I did put USB stick one of four rasberry's USB ports. And yes, now I was able to load new samples to Nebulae. Then I change everything like before. Situation was again same, can't load new samples from USB port from panel. Here is picture:


Good sleuthing! So could the problem be a bad connecting cable between the RPi and the Nebulae? (The cable looks crimped in the photo, but perhaps that’s because of the angle the picture was taken.)

Yep, saturday is just right day for problem solving smile Cable looks better in real life, quite bad angle in photo. But you never know, might be also that. Shame that I don't have other cable which I could test. But I wait reply from Qu-Bit.
danishchairs
jii75 wrote:
Yep, saturday is just right day for problem solving smile Cable looks better in real life, quite bad angle in photo. But you never know, might be also that. Shame that I don't have other cable which I could test. ...

If you have a multimeter (or just an ohmmeter or continuity checker), you could test your cable for continuity. That would narrow things down a bit.
ersatzplanet
danishchairs wrote:
jii75 wrote:
Yep, saturday is just right day for problem solving smile Cable looks better in real life, quite bad angle in photo. But you never know, might be also that. Shame that I don't have other cable which I could test. ...

If you have a multimeter (or just an ohmmeter or continuity checker), you could test your cable for continuity. That would narrow things down a bit.


Unless there is some more circuitry in the way, that looks like all its does is connect the USB port on the Pi to the front panel counted one. If you pull out the little PCB you should be able to continuity check from it to the pads the front Panel mounted USB connector pretty easily. Maybe the connector on the front panel is damaged, bent internal leads or flex crack in the solder pages. I notice own one of mine the USB connector was at a slight angle and didn't align with the front panel hole exactly right. A little shove and all is fine now.
jii75
ersatzplanet wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
jii75 wrote:
Yep, saturday is just right day for problem solving smile Cable looks better in real life, quite bad angle in photo. But you never know, might be also that. Shame that I don't have other cable which I could test. ...

If you have a multimeter (or just an ohmmeter or continuity checker), you could test your cable for continuity. That would narrow things down a bit.


Unless there is some more circuitry in the way, that looks like all its does is connect the USB port on the Pi to the front panel counted one. If you pull out the little PCB you should be able to continuity check from it to the pads the front Panel mounted USB connector pretty easily. Maybe the connector on the front panel is damaged, bent internal leads or flex crack in the solder pages. I notice own one of mine the USB connector was at a slight angle and didn't align with the front panel hole exactly right. A little shove and all is fine now.


I started sunday to removing again USB connector cable and also that small board which goes PI's usb port. Then I did put everything in place and YES! now it did work. When Nebulae booted, I saw white, and now also aqua leds turning on. So it did read from USB, and yes there was new samples in Nebulae. But (there is always but). Of course I was happy that now it worked, I did add one new sample which I missed, and NO! Nebulae didn't read USB in boot phase. Just white and blue leds on, no aqua this time. So close smile I think that I will wait Qu-Bit's answer. And play other modules which I have while waiting.
ersatzplanet
jii75 wrote:
I started sunday to removing again USB connector cable and also that small board which goes PI's usb port. Then I did put everything in place and YES! now it did work. When Nebulae booted, I saw white, and now also aqua leds turning on. So it did read from USB, and yes there was new samples in Nebulae. But (there is always but). Of course I was happy that now it worked, I did add one new sample which I missed, and NO! Nebulae didn't read USB in boot phase. Just white and blue leds on, no aqua this time. So close smile I think that I will wait Qu-Bit's answer. And play other modules which I have while waiting.


I haven't had time to test it with mine (I will today) but I know you can't ADD to the wave files already in the Nebulae buffer, all you can do is REPLACE them. But I think, as I said before, you need to have more than one file on the stick (or a file over a threshold file size - don't know which) before it writes over files in the Nebulae. To add a file, you have to add it to a stick that already contains the files that are already in the Nebulae. It will then load all of them in, overwriting the files in the buffer.

I base this assumption on this happening to me ONCE so I will have to test it to be sure. I had a Nebulae with the factory samples in buffer. I loaded a stick with one test file on it (one file because I had all my files in the format of the old Nebulae - mono). It did not load the file, it just played the factory ones. I added files to the stick and the next time I booted, it loaded them all fine. This made me believe that more than one file needs to be on the stick. The other option is that the combined files on the stick have to be over a certain size file wise but I find this less likely.

In any case, I will test this out this afternoon and post my results.
Zymos
I can load a single, fairly small (425 kb) file. But the only way I can load (replace) ANY files, is to reboot the module. The File/Source combo doesn't seem to do anything for me.
ersatzplanet
Zymos wrote:
I can load a single, fairly small (425 kb) file. But the only way I can load (replace) ANY files, is to reboot the module. The File/Source combo doesn't seem to do anything for me.


Remember that the Source Button is ALSO used to call up the secondary edit menus. When used for other functions, it MUST be tapped quickly (less than 250ms), If you want to reload or replace files in the Nebulae with new files off the stick - Press the File button and HOLD it down, then QUICKLY tap the Source Button and it will reload the files. Anything more than a TAP will not work.

Also I found that if there is a file that, for some reason, the Nebulae just doesn't like, it seems to ignore the stick entirely and doesn't overwrite anything. I have made my own sticks and loaded them no problem with a power down/up, but the File/Source button trick ACTS like it is loading but the blue LED flashing section is too short and nothing changes. I put the factory stick in and do the File/Source button press and it works perfectly. I have loaded the instrument files on the sticks that didn't have them, to see if that matters. It doesn't. I have loaded files of the factory disc "z_SampleLibraries" onto other sticks and tried that just in case I have faulty files and it seems to sometimes work. The factory sticks seem to ALWAYS work with the File/Source button press.

The irritating thing is it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. If they don't work with the File/Source button press, they almost always work with a power cycle.

I will have to do more exhaustive test.
not.bot
Not much better news here mine seems DOA. every LED is on bar the reset one, and there's no bootup animation as mentioned in the manual... I've tried deleting the boot file on the USB key and it doesn't seem to regenerate as stated. So at this stage, the unit looks dead to me.

I was looking forward to it, and maybe the shop can swap for a working unit otherwise i think i'm going to ask for a refund.

cry [/img]
Nielsen
My unit has issues with loading the usb stick in the booting sequence, too. But more frustrating are occasional reboots. They occur rarely, but it's still a problem. My rack is powered often for more than 8 hours and my Nebulae reboots from time to time. That's really annoying.
AnalogAssailant
ugh all these reports of faulty units.

I really want this module, hopefully qu-bit get this sorted quickly.
Gyroscope
AnalogAssailant wrote:
ugh all these reports of faulty units.

I really want this module, hopefully qu-bit get this sorted quickly.


Imagine if Qu-Bit would come in this thread and answer the questions early adopters have woah
JoeFuture
Has anyone on this thread reached out to them to tell them about all the people having similar problems? So far, mine's working great, but I haven't really done much with it yet. I'm scared to even take the USB card out at this point!
AnalogAssailant
JoeFuture wrote:
Has anyone on this thread reached out to them to tell them about all the people having similar problems?


I did saturday. No response....yet.
sendhelp
Edit - I'm a moron.
Bbman
My Nebulae would lock up after some use. I contacted Qu-Bit, told them the problem, and eventually sent it to them to investigate. They were able to recreate the problem I experienced, and they sent me a replacement module. No problem at all with my new one.

The company was quick and responsive.
Qu-Bit Electronix
Hey Guys!

Just wanted to chime in here and clarify/help out with some of the things being mentioned.

Note
Please direct all tech support inquires to support@qubitelectronix.com
This email is monitored constantly Mon-Fri and will ensure the fastest response time to answering your question.

1. File Retention
The Nebulae retains any files that are loaded into memory in between power cycles. If you have files loaded in memory that you are happy with, I would recommend removing the flash drive until you want to load new files. This will improve your boot times.

2. Reloading Files
When reloading new files, make sure to press and release the "Source" button quickly. This button has secondary functionality and as such, it is a falling-edge sensitive control. If you hold it down for too long, you will enter the secondary function menu and it will not reload files.

3. If you are having trouble loading files from a flash drive, it is most likely due to the flash drive, or audio files themselves. Here are a couple notes regarding flash drives: Drives over 16gb are not recommended and can cause issues. Drives must be formatted FAT32. If you're using the "Qu-Bit" drive and experiencing issues, let us know. It can most likely be fixed with a new drive, and is not a problem with the module itself.

4. If your unit is locking up or rebooting, you are probably over powering your case. The Nebulae consumes 318mA on the +12V rail and if you do not have ample headroom on your PSU, you will experience undefined behavior from your module. Related to this, if you have room on your +5V rail, you can flip the switch on the PCB that sets the Nebulae to power from the case +5V, instead of the internal regulator. This can ease the load from your +12V rails, and save you from having to rearrange modules to adjust power consumption. If you are sure that you are not overpowering your case, get in touch with us and we will get everything resolved immediately.

5. Alternate Firmware
We would love to promote, and share any alternate firmware that is developed for the Nebulae. If you have developed alternate instruments, please let us know and we will host them on our website so that others can download them. There will also be a Github repo very soon.

Hope this helps, and let us know if there's anything else we can answer!
Artsy Moods
Hey Qu-Bit, thanks for for your help resuming all the issues and their solution smile

I've tried anything I can, including only powering it alone, reformat and rewrtie files on both SD and USB from another user who had a working unit, but mine still failed and blocked in "edit mode"....

So I finally sent the module back to you yesterday as you told me on your email... I hope it'll be fixed and reshipped fast, I so need it!!
Nielsen
Nielsen wrote:
My unit has issues with loading the usb stick in the booting sequence, too. But more frustrating are occasional reboots. They occur rarely, but it's still a problem. My rack is powered often for more than 8 hours and my Nebulae reboots from time to time. That's really annoying.


Switching to 5V powering solved my reboot issues. Although my busboard should have enough headroom for 12V (without the Nebulae only 500 mA load, 700mA left).
Funky40
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
If you're using the "Qu-Bit" drive and experiencing issues, let us know.

thats what we have donne. Here in this thread.
my problems are with the original flash........and no, i won´t go facebook etc.

so you say me its the flash, ....and i get a new one ? ok, i take one, and i´ll check again.
But i don´t belive it.
i believe the observations of ersatzplanet.......
can you excloude his point as an option causing the "file load problems" ? ( file count / file size ? )
Zymos
Funky40 wrote:

can you excloude his point as an option causing the "file load problems" ? ( file count / file size ? )


I'm not QuBit, but as I wrote above, I have no problem loading a single, small file.
Funky40
ok, thats then a point.
thanks for chimming in Zymos
so i might have to check with another USB drive
a_b_d
Question about recording:

Blend controls both the input (when record is on) and the output. Any way to bypass the blend control on record, or rather always sample from the dry signal?

I'm using random gates to trigger 'record' and don't want to manage the blend control or disrupt the output; ideally the buffer would always refresh from the completely dry signal.
ersatzplanet
I started to drive myself crazy trying to load sounds off a USB stick and they just wouldn't load at all. Always the last sounds were in the modules (I have 2 Nebulae and tried it in both). I copied files from working sticks to this one stick and still wouldn't work. Files read perfectly on the computer from stick, played perfectly from stick on computer. Was driving me crazy and then it dawned on me - "What was the stick formatted as?". Turns out is WAS NOT FAT32. Re-formated the stick and re-loaded the files and worked the first time I tried.

The lesson learned? - If you are on a Mac system - Remember to format the sticks in FAT32.
Zymos
Had fun making this. Kinda shambling, deets in the SC description.
[S]http://soundcloud.com/zymos/yetistomp[/s]
Artsy Moods
Collin from Qu-Bits just sent me back a brand new replacement unit which he carefully tested, mine was a defective unit apparently.
So thanks for Qu-Bits and their great support thumbs up

Can't wait to finally use it!!
danishchairs
I reported about a month ago that my Neb2 froze while playing it. Unfortunately, this was not an isolated incident. It’s done it a couple of times again recently. Every time it’s happened, it was while I was using something recorded into the buffer. (Don’t know if that’s significant or not.)

When the freezes happen, the module becomes unresponsive to all knob wiggling and to all CV input. Sound continues to come out from the L and R output ports, but it does not change. It plays whatever was playing at the moment the module froze.

I’ve reported these issues to Qu-Bit. Yesterday, they sent me a return shipping label and said the module needs to come back to their shop. Bummed to have a problem piece of kit, but glad the company is so responsive and willing/eager to help. Thank you Qu-Bit! thumbs up
Bbman
I had the same issue and got a replacement several weeks ago and have had absolutely no problem since. I would suspect that any issues were isolated and now completely resolved.

Great module. Very solid and I look forward to all the enhancements that the community can develop for it.
danishchairs
Bbman wrote:
I had the same issue and got a replacement several weeks ago and have had absolutely no problem since. I would suspect that any issues were isolated and now completely resolved.

Good to hear. I hope you’re right.

While getting ready to box up the module for shipping, I copied the contents of the USB flash drive to a computer. Very surprised to find the drive had only 1 file: neb_log.txt

The USB flash drive should have about a dozen .wav files on the root directory, and a number of other folders with multiple .wav files in each. None of the other files were on the drive.
Gyroscope
I only have that one file too (neb_log.txt). Thought that was normal seriously, i just don't get it
danishchairs
Gyroscope wrote:
I only have that one file too (neb_log.txt). Thought that was normal seriously, i just don't get it

You could be right - perhaps a bunch of the USB sticks only have that one file. However, there’s a page on the Qu-Bit site with sound files they say are supposed to come pre-loaded on the stick:

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/sample-libraries/
williamjturkel
I’ll just put this here in case it helps someone else...

I installed a new Nebulae v2 into my Trogotronic case and it powered up with solid white lights but not the spinning light booting display, even after power cycling a few times. I took it out and discovered the 5V / 12V switch was set to 5V. When I switched it to 12V and reinstalled, it worked fine.
orbita
Is there a way to save buffer to the sd card yet?
StateAzure
williamjturkel wrote:
I’ll just put this here in case it helps someone else...

I installed a new Nebulae v2 into my Trogotronic case and it powered up with solid white lights but not the spinning light booting display, even after power cycling a few times. I took it out and discovered the 5V / 12V switch was set to 5V. When I switched it to 12V and reinstalled, it worked fine.


I had that same problem, seems the TipTop Mantis cases don't put out enough 5V. I wish it did, because I'm still having file loading issues with the lights getting stuck on aqua..Had to reboot 3 times, this last time, to get it to load.

I surely have enough power on my 12v rail anyway, so I can't understand what's wrong
danishchairs
orbita wrote:
Is there a way to save buffer to the sd card yet?

No, not yet.
Gyroscope
danishchairs wrote:
orbita wrote:
Is there a way to save buffer to the sd card yet?

No, not yet.


That would be great! Do you know if it will definitely happen?
danishchairs
Gyroscope wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
orbita wrote:
Is there a way to save buffer to the sd card yet?

No, not yet.


That would be great! Do you know if it will definitely happen?

In response to a similar question I asked Qu-Bit a little while ago, here’s what they said:
Quote:
The Nebulae is not currently capable of writing the buffer to an audio file on the USB drive.
However, we are planning on implementing this in a firmware update in the not too distant future.

I’m looking forward to this capability, too!
Artsy Moods
Got my replacement unit, everything is ok now!! let's have some fun!! Thanks Qu-Bits for the great customers support!
Pozzetronics
danishchairs wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
orbita wrote:
Is there a way to save buffer to the sd card yet?

No, not yet.


That would be great! Do you know if it will definitely happen?

In response to a similar question I asked Qu-Bit a little while ago, here’s what they said:
Quote:
The Nebulae is not currently capable of writing the buffer to an audio file on the USB drive.
However, we are planning on implementing this in a firmware update in the not too distant future.

I’m looking forward to this capability, too!


This is the only thing keeping it from rushing ahead of other current sampling glitch modules. To be able to record some of your own blips or vocal tracks directly into it would be SUPREME.
Zymos
Well, you can record directly into it. You just can't save the recording for later.
ersatzplanet
Zymos wrote:
Well, you can record directly into it. You just can't save the recording for later.


The not so cheap solution would be to have a 4ms STS that was triggered to record and stop recording the output from the Nebulae. I have not really tried recording into the buffer on the Nebulae yet, does the "Pulse" output fire when the buffer is full? If so it could be made to trigger the record modes on the STS to somewhat automate it. The STS would sequentially record buffer load after buffer load as numbered files till it's card was full.
Danielblomquist
Hello All-
I have picked up a Nebulae V2 and am having an issue, but it could be me...most likely is hmmm.....
I liked to use Clouds to freeze Melodies and cycle through them to make drones out of tiny parts. It did this well but was always limited by sound quality and record length.
I got the Nebulae to do the same thing but on a much higher level however I'm having a problem. Whenever I freeze a melodic portion of a sample I can always hear a loop point in the grains. I've tried different settings but can't seem to get rid of that microsecond of a loop point...and it drives me crazy. Clouds did this well and I feel like the Nebulae has much more powerful engine so it should be able to but I can't get it seemless with overlapping grains.

Let me know if I'm not doing something properly or have any suggestions.

Thnx.
StateAzure
Danielblomquist wrote:
Hello All-
I have picked up a Nebulae V2 and am having an issue, but it could be me...most likely is hmmm.....
I liked to use Clouds to freeze Melodies and cycle through them to make drones out of tiny parts. It did this well but was always limited by sound quality and record length.
I got the Nebulae to do the same thing but on a much higher level however I'm having a problem. Whenever I freeze a melodic portion of a sample I can always here a loop point in the grains. I've tried different settings but can't seem to get rid of that microsecond of a loop point...and it drives me crazy. Clouds did this well and I feel like the Nebulae has much more powerful engine so it should be able to but I can't get it seemless with overlapping grains.

Let me know if I'm not doing something properly or have any suggestions.

Thnx.


I guess you've tried adjusting the Window? I know when I have it full clockwise (square window) it's very noticeable, to the point of clicking. The other end seems much smoother, although I think the loop is still noticeable. You might have to try adjusting some of the secondary functions, like random grains etc perhaps so that you get more of a blurred sound?
Danielblomquist
Yeah, I can smooth it out a bit with the window setting but not completely. I guess more of a blur effect is what I'm trying to attain, as I said Clouds does it real well so did the Mungo G0. The Nebulae is on a different level from both of those modules so it seems like it should not be a problem but I have to get there. I've tried the secondary randomized effects...maybe I'll dig more into those tonight.
ersatzplanet
Danielblomquist wrote:
Yeah, I can smooth it out a bit with the window setting but not completely. I guess more of a blur effect is what I'm trying to attain, as I said Clouds does it real well so did the Mungo G0. The Nebulae is on a different level from both of those modules so it seems like it should not be a problem but I have to get there. I've tried the secondary randomized effects...maybe I'll dig more into those tonight.


Since this is all in the programming and should not be anything physical with the hardware, hopefully Qu-bit is still improving the code and it might get better in a future firmware update. Since it is reading from memory and not off the stick, gaps at the loop times should never be there and the only glitches heard should be waveforms not lining up when the loop restarts.

I get the feeling the pressure was pretty high to get units shipping. Lots of people were asking for the ship date. Maybe this and the other things brought up in this thread were a result of that and if and when a 2.xx revision comes, things will be shiny.
digidandy
Having sold the first Nebulae because of its sound quality, I just got the v2 - and wow. So much fun, and so much better ... and so much more flexible.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:
..........., things will be shiny.

i read such statements so often.
especially in regards to elektron.


my take on it:
the market has proven that its no longer reasonable to give anybody any upfront credits.

further my take:
whats here is here ! everything else is NOT !
windspirit
Hey so I think that I read the manual pretty thoroughly but it is long and I am not very smart. I see that there are a bunch of sub-folders in the nebulae, is there a way to load alternate banks of samples without switching them manually on the computer in the USB-stick? Some button combo perhaps?
Zymos
Nope, it only reads the ones in the root
janne808
I made a basic 2-op phase modulation PD patch to test things out on Nebulae.. seems to work very nicely.

https://gist.github.com/janne808/3ef3ede952089904756cc572dc1ed065

The pitch scaling is wrong though, since I'm not sure what the range is on the CV inputs. Are they -5V to 5V?

Also is it possible to hack the CV input sampling rates, would be cool to modulate everything with zappy envelopes.
bernwerlin
Was wondering if anyone else was having this issue, or if I'm a dumb noob but...

When I loop a sample, it takes the v2 more or less and extra beat to return to the beginning of the loop. of course, I have the start all the way to the left and the size all the way to the right. there's always a brief pause before returning to the start of the loop, regardless of the length of the sample.

help
danishchairs
janne808 wrote:
I made a basic 2-op phase modulation PD patch to test things out on Nebulae.. seems to work very nicely.
Nice first post! Congrats!

janne808 wrote:
... I'm not sure what the range is on the CV inputs. Are they -5V to 5V?
According to the manual, for all the CV inputs except Pitch, “CV input responds to +/- 5V, and is added to the knob position.”

For Pitch, the manual says, “CV input tracks 1V/Octave, accepts 0-5V unipolar, and is added to the knob position.”

Both of those are from the manual pages for the granular looper.

janne808 wrote:
Also is it possible to hack the CV input sampling rates, would be cool to modulate everything with zappy envelopes.
Good question. I recommend asking the folks at Qu-Bit, then reporting back here.
ersatzplanet
janne808 wrote:
Also is it possible to hack the CV input sampling rates, would be cool to modulate everything with zappy envelopes.


I would imagine that all jacks and knobs are scanned sequentially and probably is currently at the fastest the Pi can handle.
janne808
ersatzplanet wrote:
janne808 wrote:
Also is it possible to hack the CV input sampling rates, would be cool to modulate everything with zappy envelopes.


I would imagine that all jacks and knobs are scanned sequentially and probably is currently at the fastest the Pi can handle.


That's probaby true, but in PD the CV is sent out over the TCP/IP stack using the netreceive module. Now, I did manage to do some reverse engineering of the module (login over SSH with Archlinux default creds alarm/alarm, sudo is enabled.. you probably want to clone the SD card before you do this though) and modify the Python code to send these values over with UDP rather than TCP -- which subjectively helps out a bit.

Would be cool to try to build a PD module with C which polls the hardware directly but that's going to take a bit more reverse engineering.
ersatzplanet
[quote="janne808"]
ersatzplanet wrote:
That's probaby true, but in PD the CV is sent out over the TCP/IP stack using the netreceive module. Now, I did manage to do some reverse engineering of the module (login over SSH with Archlinux default creds alarm/alarm, sudo is enabled.. you probably want to clone the SD card before you do this though) and modify the Python code to send these values over with UDP rather than TCP -- which subjectively helps out a bit.

Would be cool to try to build a PD module with C which polls the hardware directly but that's going to take a bit more reverse engineering.


The Pi still has its full connector array on it right (I don't feel like pulling my modules to look)? That includes the ethernet port on the Pi. Direct connection to that seems like a real direction to pursue if you have the chops. That might open up a lot of possibilities.
ersatzplanet
Here's an idea for Qu-Bit. Sell the USB sticks you package with the Nebulae. I love the size and design of them. Easy to put a label on and the hole on the end makes putting them on a lanyard easier. If you sell them in singles and 5 and 10 packs that would be nice.

Pre-format them as FAT32 and many of the problems people are having with their Nebulae won't be blameable on the stick and formatting.

tommygee
Anymore experiences on using QNV2 processing audio coming in realtime?
julien
tommygee wrote:
Anymore experiences on using QNV2 processing audio coming in realtime?


I'm interested!
tommygee
julien wrote:
tommygee wrote:
Anymore experiences on using QNV2 processing audio coming in realtime?


I'm interested!


Bump
windspirit
Processing input audio is definitely really fun. It is a little weird because when you record audio into the buffer it literally just records the current output, so if you are playing grains that are kind of spaced out and then you press record the volume can cut out a bit. So its best to either modulated blend or leave some of the input signal blended in to make sure that audio remains in the buffer.

The delay patch is also quite nice although I have just used it to make ambient washes, not really trying to dial in a sound.
tommygee
windspirit wrote:
Processing input audio is definitely really fun. It is a little weird because when you record audio into the buffer it literally just records the current output, so if you are playing grains that are kind of spaced out and then you press record the volume can cut out a bit. So its best to either modulated blend or leave some of the input signal blended in to make sure that audio remains in the buffer.

The delay patch is also quite nice although I have just used it to make ambient washes, not really trying to dial in a sound.


Right on. Thanks mate. How well does a simple task like real time pitch shifting up and down work processing live audio ?
rhodopsinist
windspirit wrote:
Processing input audio is definitely really fun. It is a little weird because when you record audio into the buffer it literally just records the current output, so if you are playing grains that are kind of spaced out and then you press record the volume can cut out a bit. So its best to either modulated blend or leave some of the input signal blended in to make sure that audio remains in the buffer.

The delay patch is also quite nice although I have just used it to make ambient washes, not really trying to dial in a sound.


Yes hope they can release a firmware update for this soon!

=================================

Also, I have some problem with loading PureData .pd files to Nebulae.
I tried to put the rhythmics chords .pd file (the one downloaded from Qubit's website) to either directly the home directory of my USB drive, or /home/alarm/audio, or /alarm/audio, long pressed speed knob to instr selector mode, turn speed knob right (CW) to enable pd selector menu, but all these methods are not successful...


BTW, just share this from Reddit, someone is so kind and powerful to make a Mutable clouds pd file for Nebulae v2!
https://patchstorage.com/quclouds/
windspirit
You have to load one of the main alternate instruments (in the middle menu) before loading a pd patch. Weird workaround I figured out.
Mirrorad
danishchairs wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
I don't think there is a way to record the live buffer to the USB stick.

Confirmed. Here’s a note from Andrew at Qu-Bit:
Quote:
The Nebulae is not currently capable of writing the buffer to an audio file on the USB drive. However, we are planning on implementing this in a firmware update in the not too distant future.

Once this is released, all you will need to do to update the firmware is include the firmware file on your USB drive and it will update for you.

So, other solutions for now, and looking forward to being able to record the buffer in the not-too-distant future.


Anyone else other than me checking in every week hoping to see this announced?
rhodopsinist
windspirit wrote:
You have to load one of the main alternate instruments (in the middle menu) before loading a pd patch. Weird workaround I figured out.


OK, seems successful. Thanks!

I loaded the Mutable Clouds puredata into Nebulae. Not quite sure it's the one. Anybody tried successfully?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvz0fuAteQ
uniquepersonno2
rhodopsinist wrote:
windspirit wrote:
You have to load one of the main alternate instruments (in the middle menu) before loading a pd patch. Weird workaround I figured out.


OK, seems successful. Thanks!

I loaded the Mutable Clouds puredata into Nebulae. Not quite sure it's the one. Anybody tried successfully?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvz0fuAteQ


hyper
windspirit
I think that is the rhythmic chords pd patch that comes woth the module. Not sure where you got clouds from.
danishchairs
windspirit wrote:
... Not sure where you got clouds from.


Could be from a couple of pages back in this thread:

Amchucker wrote:
Nebulae V2 Clouds Patch

https://patchstorage.com/quclouds/

TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2
araguet
Hi, I love my Nebulae 2 but I have some concerns about temperature limits. My case es close back and the RPi in the Nebulae has not dissipators, what can I spect playing in an warm place?
corridors
Can this module pitch shift the signal of a live, continuous input?

I'm having trouble finding this info.. not many demos of live input functions online..
windspirit
danishchairs wrote:
windspirit wrote:
... Not sure where you got clouds from.


Could be from a couple of pages back in this thread:

Amchucker wrote:
Nebulae V2 Clouds Patch

https://patchstorage.com/quclouds/

TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2


Ah ok, my guess is that they have loaded the wrong pd patch then. You have to select the patch by clicking the buttons at the bottom, so if it doesn't sound like clouds try another button.
rhodopsinist
windspirit wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
windspirit wrote:
... Not sure where you got clouds from.


Could be from a couple of pages back in this thread:

Amchucker wrote:
Nebulae V2 Clouds Patch

https://patchstorage.com/quclouds/

TheTechnoBears Pure data Mutable Instruments wrappers clouds for the organelle modified for the Nebulae V2


Ah ok, my guess is that they have loaded the wrong pd patch then. You have to select the patch by clicking the buttons at the bottom, so if it doesn't sound like clouds try another button.



Perhaps it is really a wrong one, because I only loaded the clouds pure data file to the USB. When selecting at the pd selector page there is only 2 buttons lighting up, the "record" button is switching back to main granular mode, and the "next" button is selecting this pd. But this pd doesn't sound like clouds as I showed in the youtube demo video. Maybe this clouds is only a false vague hope.
windspirit
Ok, I just downloaded the file and checked it out. It looks like you need to manually install the pd library for clouds or else the effect will not work. When the nebulae runs into a file it doesn't like it just reloads the main grainular patch. I know that windows will not open a sd card formatted for the raspberry pi (or any linux operating system running on an NTFS file system) but if you run a max I *think* it is possible, definitely for linux. The instructions for loading the patch are in the readme file.
tommygee
corridors wrote:
Can this module pitch shift the signal of a live, continuous input?

I'm having trouble finding this info.. not many demos of live input functions online..


I would love to know as well.
nnamesor
nnamesor wrote:
Wondering if it’s possible to have the File select be CV addressable (as opposed to simply using a gate to step forwards, backwards, and randomly through the available samples)?

Unless I’m missing something, doesn’t seem currently possible . . .

If not, any potential to integrate this in a future firmware update?


Was this ever addressed? Went through the entire thread and never saw a response from anyone whether currently possible, or if not, from QuBit if we might expect it in a firmware update . . .

As per @ersatzplanet, using a programmer to create presets would be even more amazing if you could select specific samples via CV (rather than stepping through through them) . . .
StateAzure
corridors wrote:
Can this module pitch shift the signal of a live, continuous input?

I'm having trouble finding this info.. not many demos of live input functions online..


In realtime? I don't think so. You can pitch shift what's in the buffer though.
FrogStar
tommygee wrote:
corridors wrote:
Can this module pitch shift the signal of a live, continuous input?

I'm having trouble finding this info.. not many demos of live input functions online..


I would love to know as well.


The Neb2 cannot pitch shift in real time. It applies its effect processing to the content of its recorded buffer. The buffer is recorded from the Neb2 output. One can monitor the dry live input, the fully wet processed loop or a blend of the two

One must always mix some live signal into the output if one wants it included in the buffer. Its very easy to have a mix of unprocessed live signal blended with pitch shifted content from the prior pass through the buffer, but it cannot transpose in real time with the default software.

Its confusing at first but quickly becomes clear.
windspirit
Real time pitch shifting would be an interesting use for a pd patch though. I am working on a couple of patches for them and I can try to whip something up for this. I was planning on some sort of live glitch audio processor and pitch shifting would certainly be useful for this.
ersatzplanet
nnamesor wrote:
As per @ersatzplanet, using a programmer to create presets would be even more amazing if you could select specific samples via CV (rather than stepping through through them) . . .


I do this all the time on my 4ms STS. For it to be possible, the file select jack would have to be a A/D input and not a gate input. I would bet that it is just a gate input, but if it was scanned like all the other pots and jacks, I would think a change in the code as to how that jack is interpreted would do the job. It would add a lot to the unit for sure.
windspirit
ersatzplanet wrote:
nnamesor wrote:
As per @ersatzplanet, using a programmer to create presets would be even more amazing if you could select specific samples via CV (rather than stepping through through them) . . .


I do this all the time on my 4ms STS. For it to be possible, the file select jack would have to be a A/D input and not a gate input. I would bet that it is just a gate input, but if it was scanned like all the other pots and jacks, I would think a change in the code as to how that jack is interpreted would do the job. It would add a lot to the unit for sure.


I strongly doubt that the circuitry is set up to be reading the gate inputs as VCAs. Usually that kind of thing is set up in hardware. Personally I find the modulation of the window shape to be pretty sublte, maybe modulating the audio file instead would be nice for an alt instrument.
ersatzplanet
windspirit wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
nnamesor wrote:
As per @ersatzplanet, using a programmer to create presets would be even more amazing if you could select specific samples via CV (rather than stepping through through them) . . .


I do this all the time on my 4ms STS. For it to be possible, the file select jack would have to be a A/D input and not a gate input. I would bet that it is just a gate input, but if it was scanned like all the other pots and jacks, I would think a change in the code as to how that jack is interpreted would do the job. It would add a lot to the unit for sure.


I strongly doubt that the circuitry is set up to be reading the gate inputs as VCAs. Usually that kind of thing is set up in hardware. Personally I find the modulation of the window shape to be pretty sublte, maybe modulating the audio file instead would be nice for an alt instrument.


I don't think you are getting what is being said here, there are no VCA's mentioned as far as I can tell. The question was whether or not the file select input jack could see CV's to select different files (like the CV file selection mechanism in the 4ms STS). To do this the File input jack would have to read more than just a binary on/off that it does now. Typically on units like this, all the front panel controls are sequentially scanned to read pot and CV values. This is done to cut down on the number of A/D converters needed to read the controls. In some cases, the processor board used can have both A/D and logic inputs (for switches and external data inputs). I am not aware of all the inputs used on the Raspberry Pi used in the Nebulae but it may be using a mix of both. If all the jacks with pushbuttons at the bottom of the module are hard wired to logic ins and not part of the scanned CV ins like the pitch, size, start density etc. are, then there is no way to change it's response via coding. If it is scanned like the rest are and the gate in is something in code (if great than X volts=on, less than X volts=off) than re-writing that code could give you file selection via CV levels.
windspirit
DOH, I mean ADCs not VCAs. What I meant is that I would be surprised if they were using ADCs to read those inputs.
ersatzplanet
windspirit wrote:
DOH, I mean ADCs not VCAs. What I meant is that I would be surprised if they were using ADCs to read those inputs.


How else would they be able to read the CV inputs (like any input with an attenuation pot)? Looking at the Raspberry Pi, I see it doesn't have any A/D converters onboard, the GPIO inputs it has are logical ones, so that means the Nebulae is providing SOME sort of analog conversion to supply the commands to change all the parameters that can use a varying CV input, which are many on the Nebulae. Since there are eight inputs on the Nebulae that take varying CV voltage inputs. I doubt that each go these has a A/D converter so I would bet all of them but the pitch 1v/oct inputs are sharing the same A/D converter. Since the resolution of the pitch in is more sensitive, I would imagine it has it's own.

Oh and of course since it has Stereo Audio Inputs, those have an A/D converter on them too.

of course this is assuming that there isn't some DSP chip with its own A/D built in that is alongside the Pi but why use something like that? I will have to pull mine and look at it.
windspirit
What Im saying is that I doubt the gate inputs are read by the ADC.
ersatzplanet
windspirit wrote:
What Im saying is that I doubt the gate inputs are read by the ADC.


I agree. I'm sure you are right about that since there are plenty o GPIO ports on the Raspberry there would be no need to take up positions in the scanning for just reading gates. This also told lessen the latency on the gate inputs when they get their own dedicated connection.

The way to "spoof" this is to make one big file with multiple loops in it and use the Start and Size controls to pick which loop (section) of the big file to play. This means 2 CVs instead of one though. If the loop sections were the same size, then only the Start would be needed.
JoeFuture
I was thinking a Shephard Tone alt instrument would be fun to make for the Nebulae (like the special mode on Telharmonic). Anyone try something like this in CSound or PureData yet?
julien
Does the nebulae v2 accept Line level in the stereo input?
Dany06hd
julien wrote:
Does the nebulae v2 accept Line level in the stereo input?


It should... see manual page 26
needto
Dany06hd wrote:
julien wrote:
Does the nebulae v2 accept Line level in the stereo input?


It should... see manual page 26


Can confirm it works, you can switch to the TestIO instrument (other ones that are not the default granular work as well) and adjust the input gain for line-level sources, this setting persists when switching instruments.
Moppelator
Had the same loading problem with my neb 2. It refused to load anything from the front usb port.
As i took it out of the rack to take a look, i noticed that the metal housing of the rasperrys own usb port seemed to short out the pins of the usb port on the front board (because it was way too close). Fixed it like a pro (with a small piece of cardboard to create a little more space) wink .
Now its loading perfectly from the front usb port.
Hope that helps...
JoeFuture
Nice hack! Thanks for pointing that out.
vantablack
ersatzplanet wrote:
nnamesor wrote:
As per @ersatzplanet, using a programmer to create presets would be even more amazing if you could select specific samples via CV (rather than stepping through through them) . . .


I do this all the time on my 4ms STS. For it to be possible, the file select jack would have to be a A/D input and not a gate input. I would bet that it is just a gate input, but if it was scanned like all the other pots and jacks, I would think a change in the code as to how that jack is interpreted would do the job. It would add a lot to the unit for sure.


Would it be a complicated to change the trigger behaviour of granular sampler mode and one shot sample mode to gate instead? I guess one way to get around granular sampler starting to loop when turned on is to run it through vca's but i strongly wish for gates instead of trigs. Oh! and being able to choose sample forward and backward on the card thumbs up

If any of you know a repository or forum that i can check out id be very thankful (i remember qu-bit mentioning alt firmwares somewhere?).

Im thankful anyway because this time last year i had a 0-coast and now thanks to lurking here since then i have a whole new way to view instruments and possibilities. Sorry for going ot, i just appreciate all of you. love
ersatzplanet
vantablack wrote:

Would it be a complicated to change the trigger behaviour of granular sampler mode and one shot sample mode to gate instead? I guess one way to get around granular sampler starting to loop when turned on is to run it through vca's but i strongly wish for gates instead of trigs. Oh! and being able to choose sample forward and backward on the card thumbs up


I would love the "play on gate high" mode on both the Nebulae and the 4ms STS. It is a very useful way to play it. Think of the re-trigger mode it does now but without the need for a EG/VCA to stop the sound when the gate is down.
vantablack
ersatzplanet wrote:
vantablack wrote:

Would it be a complicated to change the trigger behaviour of granular sampler mode and one shot sample mode to gate instead? I guess one way to get around granular sampler starting to loop when turned on is to run it through vca's but i strongly wish for gates instead of trigs. Oh! and being able to choose sample forward and backward on the card thumbs up


I would love the "play on gate high" mode on both the Nebulae and the 4ms STS. It is a very useful way to play it. Think of the re-trigger mode it does now but without the need for a EG/VCA to stop the sound when the gate is down.


Exactly this! In poly sample mode this would be awesome so is it possible to change the rec-file-source-reset triggers to sample start on gate high?
julien
Hi,
I have a problem with my nebulae V2, if i play a sample from the usb stick after few minutes the module came back to the first sample of the list automatically !!
I try with the stick plugged in the module and unplugged and the problem is the same. seriously, i just don't get it
jii75
julien wrote:
Hi,
I have a problem with my nebulae V2, if i play a sample from the usb stick after few minutes the module came back to the first sample of the list automatically !!
I try with the stick plugged in the module and unplugged and the problem is the same. seriously, i just don't get it


I had some weird issues with USB too. Sometime Nebulae didn't read USB when booting or didn't read new samples etc. There is couple of posts from me in this topic. I did sent my unit to Qu-Bit support, but they did not managed to repeat same issues what I had. But they did sent new unit to me, and it works ok. No any issues at all.
dinodelgadog
Hi! I have to say I'm fairly new with modulars, excuse me if this is not a real issue an I'm missing something obvious. I have had a Nebulae V2 for some days and it has been working perfectly. Today when I turned my rack on, and had no patch at all in the Nebulae, the "freeze" button kept blinking and it wouldn't stop. All samples were loading but of course they were also freezing.Is this a known issue? Am I doing something wrong? I tuned on/off a couple of times, tried the “revert_to_factory_firmware” but it keeps on doing the same. Please help! Thank you!
Sin_Phi
This is the first module I have bought instead of built. Saw a live modular show and sampling just seemed to bring so much out of a small system. Very pleased so far with how it works, especially the speed/pitch independence. I think I am going to get it some friends to play more with the granular aspects.

I do wonder if my module was completely assembled though. I only have nuts on 2 potentiometers and the Pi has some electrical tape hanging off it. Would have expected some kapton tape at least.
SinkWhole
Do these alternative instruments run on v2?

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments/

What’s the scoop on flipping between default and other instruments? Do people have separate instrument per usb stick and just switch out sticks? Or is there some kind of load procedure?

Any news on the arrival of ability to save a recorded sample to the usb stick?
rhodopsinist
SinkWhole wrote:


Any news on the arrival of ability to save a recorded sample to the usb stick?


or live processing of the incoming audio...
or the ability to select sample files from usb, similar to the manipulation in morphagene “organize” knob...


looking so forward to firmware and .instr updates, as I read from previous threads that a github is promised long time ago...
Mirrorad
SinkWhole wrote:
Any news on the arrival of ability to save a recorded sample to the usb stick?


Or some confirmation that it is being developed? This is the first time I pre-ordered a module assuming it would have a feature. That assumption is my problem entirely, but am I the only one who felt like that would've been an obvious function of a module that records audio and has a USB port?
SinkWhole
Went with a Morphagene in the end. Always wanted to mess around with one. Price held me back but convinced from YouTube vids that I’d gel with it.

Keeping an eye on Nebuale for updates that hopefully include those functions mentioned. The separate pitch/speed appeals and curious about the alt firmwares...
Funky40
can´t answer your questions, but some feedback in general since i feel like writing:
(long post alert though ! )



my Neb2 went from the small skiff into my main rack.
I work now ONLY based on "recording a file on the fly", vs. "using samples from card" previously.
I also use now many CVs vs. "manual wigghling only" previously.


I personally totally like to work with the Neb2 much more than with any software granular sampler i tryed. ( for example density).
The acess to modulations/CVs in the modular realm and to find inspiring settings on the fly is so different than anything i had ITB.
Also do i still have my manual jammings, but usually on top of the modulations, those beeing part of it, respectivly giving a "frame" for the manual operations.

I had lots of very unexpected results, for example "slappy Tones" quite similar to bass slaps...and many other funky happenings.
i land quasy allways in musical and inspiring terrytories when patching the Neb2, or its at least rewarding to try to get there, ....vs. working with software.

i never had the feel that i wanted to save a sample to the neb2.( totally understand everybody who wants ! )
BUT: i luckily have my old MPC1K directly underneath my modular.
I reactivated the 1K anyway these days .....and find it extremly convenient to just load samples and loops from CF into the MPC1K, play them in the 1K, then record from there on the fly into the Neb2.
Perfect match !..........tip for those who have also such devices lieing around.....


while i never had much success with Clouds and using it with wild modulations, others do have ! wink
But doing same withe the Neb2 i have lots of fun and success. wink

on the other side have i had LOTS of access playing clouds just by manual wiggling.
But i had same with Neb2 also wink
A clouds behind a Neb2 is a "woohooohooo" wink

my initial confusion with Neb2 had lots to do with a button that was not allways doing it ( had the same problem with the freeze button on one of my two Clouds back then )
I had the rec button again not immediately working recently just after start....now that i know the Neb2 good ( for my uses)......it still threw me immediately into "confusion mode", but now just for a second or so.
......crappy little unperfections.

why i write ?
Neb2 is a awesome addition to modular !
2018 was a HUGE year for eurorack and modular !!
Neb2 is part of it . Definitly !

don´t get fooled by this thread.........
its not all perfect, yes. But the Neb2´s musicality is undoubted.
Its great to play the Neb2 after a little burn in.

SlayerBadger!
Gyroscope
I had a dream last night. Qu-bit came in this thread and answered the questions of people that bought the Nebulae from them (as a pre-order in my case), most notably if they were planning on adding the possibility to save the buffer.
Zymos
Have you tried contacting them directly? Seems like a better way to get info than expecting them to monitor this forum.
Eurocat
I spoke with them yesterday and they are working on the save to card update.
They weren’t 100 percent sure but they were hoping for end of November or sometime in December. I guess it isn’t a easy update...
Gyroscope
Zymos wrote:
Have you tried contacting them directly? Seems like a better way to get info than expecting them to monitor this forum.


I tried writing once and never got a reply. I agree with you in a sense, but I think this forum represents a good chunk of their customer base. It's in these occasions that we can appreciate the proximity that Make Noise, 1010 Music, Erica Synths, and many others have established here.
rhodopsinist
Gyroscope wrote:
Zymos wrote:
Have you tried contacting them directly? Seems like a better way to get info than expecting them to monitor this forum.


I tried writing once and never got a reply. I agree with you in a sense, but I think this forum represents a good chunk of their customer base. It's in these occasions that we can appreciate the proximity that Make Noise, 1010 Music, Erica Synths, and many others have established here.




true! instead of receiving private messages from everyone why don’t they come to the forum more often and check out what most people need, so that they can have a better direction on how to make things better?
windspirit
What I have heard from manufacturers is that muffs actually is representing a smaller and smaller part of the market. I know they are super busy with new releases right now too. 2hp vowel just launched and they are teasing a new module on ig.
StateAzure
I really hope that save buffer comes soon, I still can't believe it was released without this functionality or at least the possibility to save the current state. Every time I turn on my system, I have to find the sample I was using and then set all the knobs back to where I had them, including all secondary functions. Very frustrating! and even more important than the save buffer feature imo.
Cortega
StateAzure wrote:
I really hope that save buffer comes soon, I still can't believe it was released without this functionality or at least the possibility to save the current state. Every time I turn on my system, I have to find the sample I was using and then set all the knobs back to where I had them, including all secondary functions. Very frustrating! and even more important than the save buffer feature imo.



yes in 2018 this is ridiculous, especially for a Digital Modul that have a few Sub Menüs and secondary functions with no visual indication.

but it is a really great Module nevertheless
rhodopsinist
StateAzure wrote:
I really hope that save buffer comes soon, I still can't believe it was released without this functionality or at least the possibility to save the current state. Every time I turn on my system, I have to find the sample I was using and then set all the knobs back to where I had them, including all secondary functions. Very frustrating! and even more important than the save buffer feature imo.



Excellant hardware, poor firmware support, very sad to see this consequence. Even have a thought of choosing the wrong one, could have been chosen morphagene at the very beginning.
strangegravity
Had a Nebulae v1 and loved it. I got sucked in to the Clouds hype and sold the Nebulae to get a Clouds (I know two different animals). I couldn't get along with Clouds cryptographic interface and sold it. Was going to buy another Nebulae v1 but caught wind of v2.

Trigger finally pulled. We'll see how it goes. I mostly want to mangle wav files, which I know it can do. I am psyched to discover the new functions.
Zymos
In what way is there "poor firmware support"? Because they haven't released all of people's wishlist features?

As far as I can tell, the FW is solid. Every documented feature works properly. There have been a few issues that were due to hardware, and some user error crops up (myself included, took a bit to get the hang of replacing files in memory with my own).
StateAzure
Zymos wrote:
In what way is there "poor firmware support"? Because they haven't released all of people's wishlist features?.


But releasing the module without these crucial features in the first place makes NO sense for a granular sampler that has a computer attached to the back of it! This firmware update should have been a priority.
Zymos
So you're upset that they didn't design the module based on features you wished it had, but you bought it anyway?

There may well be reasons why saving the state of the whole module is technically unfeasible. Personally, it makes no difference to me either way, but if it did, I would have have done my research and just avoided it if it didn't meet my needs.
FrogStar
StateAzure wrote:
Zymos wrote:
In what way is there "poor firmware support"? Because they haven't released all of people's wishlist features?.


But releasing the module without these crucial features in the first place makes NO sense for a granular sampler that has a computer attached to the back of it! This firmware update should have been a priority.


For what it’s worth, I use mine everyday and find it excellent as is. Of course I look forward to new features, but I find the module to be in no way lacking as it sits.

This thread echos some long term eurorack discussions about modules being idiosyncratic instruments. There has always been a push-pull between using modules as they are, capitalizing on their uniqueness, and wishing modules were something else. Echophone is a classic example. Many people were upset it could not go fully dry. Many others used it as it was to make great music.

I think of Ron Carter, one of the most important bass players in jazz, who doesn’t travel with his own upright bass. He rents one in every town and adjusts each concert to what that particular bass can deliver.

I also think about Ryuichi Sakamoto who made Async with a piano that had survived the Fukushima disaster. The piano had a very “unique” character which the artist explored brilliantly.

Eurorack is growing up and becoming more homogenized as it expands in to a more traditional market segment. Personally, I’m grateful it still offers idiosyncratic instruments that challenge my assumptions about process, how I relate to the instrument and the music I can make.
StateAzure
Zymos wrote:
So you're upset that they didn't design the module based on features you wished it had, but you bought it anyway?

There may well be reasons why saving the state of the whole module is technically unfeasible. Personally, it makes no difference to me either way, but if it did, I would have have done my research and just avoided it if it didn't meet my needs.


Are you seriously telling me, you wouldn't expect those two features to be included as standard in a granular sampler? Of course, I don't expect those features in every module out there..but come on. What's the point of sampling into it, if you're going to lose all your work when you switch off?

Clearly it's not unfeasible, since they are working on implementing both those features.

Also, I don't remember ever seeing any documentation at the time I bought mine, that specifically stated 'this module will NOT save....anything! so make sure you leave your modular system on 24/7'. If it did, I may have reconsidered.

Saying that, I still think it's a fantastic module, it just feels incomplete without those save features and makes sampling into it absolutely pointless for me. The save state thing is just disappointing, as I have to remember where I left all the secondary functions last time I used it.
Zymos
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Qubit has ever claimed to be implementing state saving.

They did listen to requests to be able to record onto the USB stick (which unlike some people, I didn't assume was a feature in spite of it never being claimed to be one), it's just taking longer to happen than some might want. As for "what's the point of sampling into it...?"- that's more about how YOU want to use the module, not everyone else is even going to care about that. Didn't seem too important to the people that designed it....
StateAzure
Zymos wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Qubit has ever claimed to be implementing state saving.

They did listen to requests to be able to record onto the USB stick (which unlike some people, I didn't assume was a feature in spite of it never being claimed to be one), it's just taking longer to happen than some might want. As for "what's the point of sampling into it...?"- that's more about how YOU want to use the module, not everyone else is even going to care about that. Didn't seem too important to the people that designed it....


I emailed them only yesterday. State saving is coming.
Zymos
Great!

So what was all that about the poor firmware support again?
Implementing the 2 most requested features seems pretty responsive.
windspirit
Based on my own conversations with them memory management was a task because the audio buffer on this thing hogs a lot of the free space. I personally would rather that they release a module that does what it does well and update it later than to wait until all possible features are implemented and possibly delay the release by months. In the meantime I can always record the output into something else.

That being said I would really love the ability to be able to load separate sample banks into memory from the USB drive without swapping drives, something similar to how it works on the radio music.
strangegravity
Just put a Disting next to it. That was my plan anyway, if I got a good loop going in the buffer. Record it on the Disting then load it as a sample back to the Nebulae.
StateAzure
Zymos wrote:
Great!

So what was all that about the poor firmware support again?
Implementing the 2 most requested features seems pretty responsive.


It wasn't me that actually said that, but whatever.
Eurocat
strangegravity wrote:
Just put a Disting next to it. That was my plan anyway, if I got a good loop going in the buffer. Record it on the Disting then load it as a sample back to the Nebulae.

That’s what I did, but I’m using Mannequins W/
strangegravity
This thing is really fun. I'm amazed at the sound quality. Like I posted previously, got me a brand new Disting 4 right next to it. Let sample madness begin.
Funky40
FrogStar wrote:
Echophone is a classic example. Many people were upset it could not go fully dry. Many others used it as it was to make great music.

I think of Ron Carter, one of the most important bass players in jazz, who doesn’t travel with his own upright bass. He rents one in every town and adjusts each concert to what that particular bass can deliver.

The ron Carter example is a very nice one.

the one about the echophone is a very lame one.
Thats lame electronics, bungle , and not a "missed feature".
Shurely nothing to defend, but you just did seriously, i just don't get it
Freequenz
I really love the granular concept, bought already the morphagene only for this but now im thinking to get the nebulae as well but is there also a clock sync input on the nebulae to clock grains to have them synced to my clocks... or did i miss something in the manual hmmm.....
strangegravity
Here's my first noodle with it in the spirit of Halloween.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/strange-gravity/batsinthebelltower[/s]
needto
Freequenz wrote:
I really love the granular concept, bought already the morphagene only for this but now im thinking to get the nebulae as well but is there also a clock sync input on the nebulae to clock grains to have them synced to my clocks... or did i miss something in the manual hmmm.....


You can enable triggering grains through the source gate input by pressing Source+Freezeand turning the density knob down, page 16 of the manual, if that's what you want.
vantablack
needto wrote:
Freequenz wrote:
I really love the granular concept, bought already the morphagene only for this but now im thinking to get the nebulae as well but is there also a clock sync input on the nebulae to clock grains to have them synced to my clocks... or did i miss something in the manual hmmm.....


You can enable triggering grains through the source gate input by pressing Source+Freezeand turning the density knob down, page 16 of the manual, if that's what you want.


That isn't clocking the looper though..?

"When this setting is enabled, turning the density knob all the way down will disable the internal generation of grains, deferring all grain generation to the source gate input."

Would a grain trigger on every gate on the source input?
needto
vantablack wrote:

That isn't clocking the looper though..?

It doesn't affect the looper, only the grains (blend at max).

vantablack wrote:
Would a grain trigger on every gate on the source input?


Yep, that's exactly how it functions. Also the granular (and looper) playhead is affected by position and reset inputs.
nuttymad
Is it possible to sequence different parts of recorded audio and get consistent results with every sequence step? I’ve been trying to do this ever since I got this module and have had no luck. My clock that is advancing the sequencer is also resetting the nebulae. The pitch cv out of my sequencer is controlling the start cv of the nebulae. The sequence that comes out is never the same.
windspirit
Is your speed at 0? You might also consider sending in a reset whenever you send in a new start value.
nuttymad
windspirit wrote:
Is your speed at 0? You might also consider sending in a reset whenever you send in a new start value.

It is resetting every time there’s a new start value.
danishchairs
nuttymad wrote:
Is it possible to sequence different parts of recorded audio and get consistent results with every sequence step? I’ve been trying to do this ever since I got this module and have had no luck. My clock that is advancing the sequencer is also resetting the nebulae. The pitch cv out of my sequencer is controlling the start cv of the nebulae. The sequence that comes out is never the same.

Perhaps try to delay the clock pulse that resets your Neb2, so that the voltage of each new step from your sequencer is set and stable before the Neb2 reads the start cv.

Because of using the same clock pulse to advance the sequencer and reset the Neb2, there might be some issues with timing and voltage levels.

For instance: do we know when the Neb2 actually resets? Is it on the rising edge of the reset pulse, or the falling edge? (The manual doesn’t make this clear.) Also, do you know exactly when your sequencer advances to the next step? Rising edge of the clock, or falling edge? And how long does it take for your sequencer to change voltages from one step to the next? (During that transition, the voltage level could be anywhere between these two voltages. If it’s somewhere in between when the Neb2 reads the start cv, you won’t get the consistent results you’re trying to achieve.)

Try having one clock pulse advance your sequencer, and follow that with a second (later) clock pulse to reset the Neb2. (Adjust the timing between the first and second clock pulses to suit your needs/wants.)
nuttymad
Thanks for the suggestions, danishchairs.
Qu-Bit Electronix
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!
Futuresound
Nice, now this will be going in my rack.
Cortega
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


great News, thanks a lot ! awesome SlayerBadger!
ersatzplanet
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


I would love to have an alternate "Play loop when gate is high" function on one of the inputs, but I don't which jack to use and how to engage it. I guess the best candidate for me would be the Freeze jack. Maybe hold the freeze button and another button for X seconds makes it toggle between Freeze and Gated mode (and lights up to show the mode - light off during gate)?
solaris
ersatzplanet wrote:

I would love to have an alternate "Play loop when gate is high" function on one of the inputs, but I don't which jack to use and how to engage it. I guess the best candidate for me would be the Freeze jack. Maybe hold the freeze button and another button for X seconds makes it toggle between Freeze and Gated mode (and lights up to show the mode - light off during gate)?


same here, a "play when gate high" will be appreciated.
as far as I am concerned it could be done via the reset in jack.
thank you.
Funky40
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!

thanks for chimming in, and working on it !


i have two wishes, not shure if this is anything realistic to be implemented:

1. a record mode which is totally independent of the blend pot !
the *record* function as such just been activated by pressing the record button and nothing more ! (as is)
so to jump into this mode would have to be set bevore/elsewhere.......
in this mode: just record whats present at the In Jacks ! the In signal also be represented at the out jacks.( all internal sounds been ignored)

2. again the blend mode poti:
i wish a setting where the input signal is NOT present ! the blend poti only crossfading between the two internal operation modes ( no input signal present )

would work out for me if this would be implemented as a setting that is more complex to be set, ie. not something that one would want to switch all 10 minutes wink

this is NOT anything complaining, to make this clear !
i *totally* understand where your design decissions have came from and what uses it has as is.



personally i quite often stumble over myself, not putting the blend knob to middle position when i hit record, call it user fail.... lol wink
windspirit
Personally I would just like to be able to cycle through banks of samples stored in different folders instead of having a single sample pool.
parapluie
solaris wrote:
I have a very similar issue: the module works fine for about 10 to 30 minutes, then it freezes and outputs a very short slice of audio, and neither the pots nor the buttons nor the CV inputs respond anymore, as in your video – the only way out is to power off + on again the case, but the problem manifests again after a while, so that's not really a solution...

I got it via a reseller, and they told me to send it back for a replacement. I suppose you should do the same.

Hi! First post here but long time lurker, feels weird. It turns out I have the exact same issue with my Nebulae 2 I bought last week. Everything works great until it randomly freezes and I can't do anything but reboot my whole case.
Solaris, did you get your Nebulae back ? Is it working now ?
Thanks for your help!
solaris
parapluie wrote:
solaris wrote:
I have a very similar issue: the module works fine for about 10 to 30 minutes, then it freezes and outputs a very short slice of audio, and neither the pots nor the buttons nor the CV inputs respond anymore, as in your video – the only way out is to power off + on again the case, but the problem manifests again after a while, so that's not really a solution...

I got it via a reseller, and they told me to send it back for a replacement. I suppose you should do the same.


Hi! First post here but long time lurker, feels weird. It turns out I have the exact same issue with my Nebulae 2 I bought last week. Everything works great until it randomly freezes and I can't do anything but reboot my whole case.
Solaris, did you get your Nebulae back ? Is it working now ?
Thanks for your help!


hallo.
yes I sent it back to the reseller and they replaced it.
parapluie
solaris wrote:
hallo.
yes I sent it back to the reseller and they replaced it.

Sounds great, thank you. Glad to hear it's just a faulty unit.
Sin_Phi
windspirit wrote:
Personally I would just like to be able to cycle through banks of samples stored in different folders instead of having a single sample pool.


This is some functionality I was thinking about as well. Would be nice from performance perspective of switching tracks that themselves share a set of samples. My thought initial thought was it could be done by swapping USB drives, but didn't want to chance that with things running. Not sure how that could be implemented, but would be interesting to be able to cycle through a set of samples and be able to expand or contact that set.

The freeze button as a play when gate is high sounds like a great feature to me.
astrodislocate
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


This is something I've been trying to do myself, but my Csound skills aren't the best. Hope it's not too tall of an order: I would really love it if there was a mode where instead of two stereo inputs and outputs, you could have both the inputs sum to one mono channel, have one output channel blend normally, and have the other always be either 100% granular or 100% phase vocoder, depending on if the blend knob is turned more to the left or the right. If this were implemented, it'd mean being able to very easily resample not just from the Nebulae, but from the Nebulae processed through the rest of one's system.
Mirrorad
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


Thank you Qu-Bit!!!
My only additional request is to have an option to save the buffer to a file compatible with the original Nebulae units. I realize this might be a tall request, but I have 4 Nebulae v1 units, and I would love to be able to migrate the Neb 2 recordings without having to convert them in a laptop.

Cheers!
AnalogAssailant
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!



Better clocking/beat matching. Maybe have an alternate mode for the reset input, would really great.
tommygee
AnalogAssailant wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!



Better clocking/beat matching. Maybe have an alternate mode for the reset input, would really great.


Noticed latency when in rec mode, blend at 12'oclock and external audio running through the module real time. Would be great to have this improved in new update.

Btw I'm getting a crash 1-3 times pr. day, where I need to turn the power on/off every time to get it to work - would be awesome with a more solid firmware.
Zymos
AnalogAssailant wrote:



Maybe have an alternate mode for the reset input, would really great.


I've been wanting that as well. I think what I'm asking for is if reset could act independently of the Size parameter.
vantablack
really looking forward to an update and i agree with previous requests:
play/trig on gate high
tempo/sync

select previous file would be fun, or if source were configurable to switch between two files and states
Danielblomquist
I could have sworn that there was a way to change the level of of the audio input...is there?
needto
Danielblomquist wrote:
I could have sworn that there was a way to change the level of of the audio input...is there?


Yep, there is: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2901553#2901553
Danielblomquist
needto wrote:
Danielblomquist wrote:
I could have sworn that there was a way to change the level of of the audio input...is there?


Yep, there is: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2901553#2901553


Thats what I thought but when I adjust it doesn't have any effect on the input gain that I can hear...
yrn1
My Nebulae crashes consistently when using the 5V mode. It doesn’t even get past the booting phase. 12V is OK so far.
tommygee
yrn1 wrote:
My Nebulae crashes consistently when using the 5V mode. It doesn’t even get past the booting phase. 12V is OK so far.


I get 2-3 crashes per day on 12v and also can't get past booting phase on 5v very frustrating
exper
Yikes this doesn’t sound good. I have a Nebulae showing up on Tuesday. Hope I won’t have any issues. Are you guys sure you have enough power?
Zymos
Mine's never crashed in many hours of use. I think I'm using the 5V option.

(Edit, I am indeed using 5V, in a MN powered skiff)
yrn1
So it seems very sensitive to power supplies... any way to measure this?
strangegravity
Put a meter on the 5v rail and see what it's doing. mine is in 12v and 0 problems.
StateAzure
On my main case with silly amounts of power, I've used 12v and 5v without issues.

My Make Noise 104hp skiff on the other hand will NOT run Nebulae in 5v, it'll crash every time.

Same with my little Pico 42hp case, will not work in 5v, have to use the 12v option in both.
windspirit
The pi requires a stupid amount of.power. I cant remember but I feel like the module itself has a large current draw.

No issues with crashes here.

EDIT: actually I was having some issues with crashes when I would leave the usb drive plugged in to the module when I was using it. Now I only plug the usb drive in when I need to load new files, then I power down and power back up with usb drive unplugged and it works way better.
strangegravity
windspirit wrote:
The pi requires a stupid amount of.power. I cant remember but I feel like the module itself has a large current draw.

No issues with crashes here.

EDIT: actually I was having some issues with crashes when I would leave the usb drive plugged in to the module when I was using it. Now I only plug the usb drive in when I need to load new files, then I power down and power back up with usb drive unplugged and it works way better.



I plug mine in upside down. It won't read and I don't loose it.
danishchairs
windspirit wrote:
The pi requires a stupid amount of.power. I cant remember but I feel like the module itself has a large current draw. ...

You seem to be right. Here’s one person’s report of the power requirements of the RPi 3B:
How much power does the RPi 3 use?

Not sure how accurate this report is, or how many cores are used by the Neb2, so take with a grain of salt.
Zymos
Sez right in the manual what the power consumption is....


I have to wonder if a lot of these modules have hardware issues, or if it is susceptible to a lack of power or something. We're all using the same firmware. Mine has never crashed or frozen. I leave the USB stick plugged in all the time, no problems with that.
yrn1
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


I think it was mentioned already, but recording the dry inputs, also in overdub mode (so independent of the blend pot), would be great!
Danielblomquist
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


I sent a message but I make drones with dirty noisy recordings and it would be great to have the grains overlap and blend seamlessly when in granular mode. The phase vocoder makes textured samples sound way way way too digital. That is my only need! I think from a lot of videos I've watched comparing the Morphagene and the Nebulae that is the one thing it does a bit better. Keeping things in granular mode has a more organic sound....like when the overlap knob is turned all the way clockwise the grains completely overlap and blend. Please
yrn1
Does anyone know where the 'Instr Tester' that is referenced in the Developer's Guide can be found?

It should be "a Mac/PC/Linux friendly piece of software that can be used to test .instr files away from the Nebulae. It has a simple GUI, using sliders instead of knobs, but is functional, and useful for testing out instr files before running them on the hardware."
VanEck
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.
Among other things, this update will address the following:

- Save all settings between power cycles including secondary functions, current buffer, selected alternate firmware file, etc.

- Write current buffer to audio file on USB flash drive.

- Pitch encoder press+turn will increment by octaves.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


I'd really like to see way to navigate through the files in a non-linear way. Perhaps a mode that would allow to randomly select a file every time "NEXT" gets hit with a trigger.
exper
VanEck wrote:


I'd really like to see way to navigate through the files in a non-linear way. Perhaps a mode that would allow to randomly select a file every time "NEXT" gets hit with a trigger.


Or for me, preferably with CV.

Just received mine today. So much fun just tinkering with the built in samples. I'll have to get a batch of my own to load in once I'm done trying it out. So far though, I love it. Glad I didn't go with a Morphogene...
needto
Danielblomquist wrote:

Thats what I thought but when I adjust it doesn't have any effect on the input gain that I can hear...


Is there a difference when you adjust it while the test instrument is selected? It should be immediately noticeable.
tommygee
tommygee wrote:
yrn1 wrote:
My Nebulae crashes consistently when using the 5V mode. It doesn’t even get past the booting phase. 12V is OK so far.


I get 2-3 crashes per day on 12v and also can't get past booting phase on 5v very frustrating


So Qu-bit told me that mine is broken and has to be returned for repair Dead Banana
GhostlyMostly
StateAzure wrote:
Zymos wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Qubit has ever claimed to be implementing state saving.

They did listen to requests to be able to record onto the USB stick (which unlike some people, I didn't assume was a feature in spite of it never being claimed to be one), it's just taking longer to happen than some might want. As for "what's the point of sampling into it...?"- that's more about how YOU want to use the module, not everyone else is even going to care about that. Didn't seem too important to the people that designed it....


I emailed them only yesterday. State saving is coming.


Has this been implemented yet? I would not buy another one of these if you can’t record directly in and save your sounds. Why have a usb sick and inputs and not be able to save sounds? Dead Banana
j_dowe
on the web pages it says "Supports Pure Data, Csound, and SuperCollider alternate instrument files" ...

is there any community location for such files?
c0ntr4d1ct10n
The manual for the latest v2 has a section for recording to buffer with the audio inputs - but is this not recording into the usb? i.e. will it reset when I power it off?

This is on sale at Perfect Circuit at the moment for $365. I have 1 day to decide before the flash sale ends.

I already have Morphagene (and also a Radio Music diy kit) but have heard good things about Nebulae's sound and it would be good to have an additional sampler which I can use as a dsp. The stories of crashes and not running on certain power systems are pushing me towards buying something else instead (there's so many good items that are about 15% off in the sale). Anyone know if these issues have been resolved?
Destinova
c0ntr4d1ct10n wrote:
The manual for the latest v2 has a section for recording to buffer with the audio inputs - but is this not recording into the usb? i.e. will it reset when I power it off?

This is on sale at Perfect Circuit at the moment for $365. I have 1 day to decide before the flash sale ends.

I already have Morphagene (and also a Radio Music diy kit) but have heard good things about Nebulae's sound and it would be good to have an additional sampler which I can use as a dsp. The stories of crashes and not running on certain power systems are pushing me towards buying something else instead (there's so many good items that are about 15% off in the sale). Anyone know if these issues have been resolved?


No it's not recording to USB and the buffer emptys on power down. I tend to record everything in my DAW so I can make loops or whatever to load on the usb stick afterwards if I really want to recreate what I was working on. But I like the destructive non pre-set nature of modular anyway so I rarely bother.

I haven't had any of the power problems or crashes people have spoken about. I also have morphagene and plan to keep both. If I had to choose I would keep the Nebulae over the Morphagene.
j_dowe
j_dowe wrote:
on the web pages it says "Supports Pure Data, Csound, and SuperCollider alternate instrument files" ...

is there any community location for such files?


partially answering my own question, i found this:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments/

were these generated by qu-bit or users? any other nebulae resources??
danishchairs
j_dowe wrote:
j_dowe wrote:
on the web pages it says "Supports Pure Data, Csound, and SuperCollider alternate instrument files" ...

is there any community location for such files?


partially answering my own question, i found this:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments/

were these generated by qu-bit or users? any other nebulae resources??

I could well be wrong, but I think the link you found is for alternative instruments for the original Nebulae module. If that’s right, then those instruments won’t work on the Nebulae 2 as they are.

Here’s the Qu-Bit repository for alternative instruments for the Nebulae 2:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/

On pages 13 and 14 of this thread, a user named amchucker posted a couple of alternative instruments to a site called “patchstorage.com”.
bernwerlin
Any idea what the Rhythmic Chords pure data file is all about?
SinkWhole
danishchairs wrote:
j_dowe wrote:
j_dowe wrote:
on the web pages it says "Supports Pure Data, Csound, and SuperCollider alternate instrument files" ...

is there any community location for such files?


partially answering my own question, i found this:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/nebul-alt-instruments/

were these generated by qu-bit or users? any other nebulae resources??

I could well be wrong, but I think the link you found is for alternative instruments for the original Nebulae module. If that’s right, then those instruments won’t work on the Nebulae 2 as they are.

Here’s the Qu-Bit repository for alternative instruments for the Nebulae 2:
http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/

On pages 13 and 14 of this thread, a user named amchucker posted a couple of alternative instruments to a site called “patchstorage.com”.


Can you quickly switch between ‘instruments’ on the module? Or is it a case of installing a new os each time?
solaris
pitch-shifting + time-stretching sound good but I'm having a hard time live-sampling rhythmic stuff and keeping it synchronized.
danishchairs
SinkWhole wrote:
... Can you quickly switch between ‘instruments’ on the module? Or is it a case of installing a new os each time?

Page 17 of the Neb2 user manual describes the process of switching between instruments.

Switching instruments takes a few seconds, and there’s no audio output during the switching, but you don’t have to install a new os each time.
SinkWhole
danishchairs wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
... Can you quickly switch between ‘instruments’ on the module? Or is it a case of installing a new os each time?

Page 17 of the Neb2 user manual describes the process of switching between instruments.

Switching instruments takes a few seconds, and there’s no audio output during the switching, but you don’t have to install a new os each time.


Thanks, I’ll check out the manual. As an Organelle owner/fan the Pd aspect of Nebulae seems pretty exciting. Keep meaning to try and dig out some videos of the available patches for v2.
JoeFuture
I wish the manual was a bit clearer on recording... I see how to enable recording by pressing the record button, and the manual says it'll end after 5 minutes. How do you get it to stop sooner than that?
danishchairs
JoeFuture wrote:
I wish the manual was a bit clearer on recording... I see how to enable recording by pressing the record button, and the manual says it'll end after 5 minutes. How do you get it to stop sooner than that?

If you’re in Live mode (as opposed to File mode), then pressing the Record button starts recording (and the Record light will be on). Press the Record button again to stop recording. The Record light should go off.
Gyroscope
JoeFuture wrote:
I wish the manual was a bit clearer on recording... I see how to enable recording by pressing the record button, and the manual says it'll end after 5 minutes. How do you get it to stop sooner than that?


You just push the Record button again to stop recording. Other more complex recording options exist too, like circular recording. This is not really well explained in the manual I agree.
JoeFuture
Thanks. Will give these a try tonight. It'd be nice if manuals were in a shared location like a GitHub repro so we could push updates to them in an open-source way as we discover omissions, tips, and tricks.
Nemocaine
Hi everyone !

For the second time, I have to send back my Nebulae v2 to reseller.
But this time, for refund.

Each time, same issue : I think 5v make crash my unit (but I'm not sure 'cause it was also strange in 12v at the beginning...). And when I come back in 12v, it just light (white), but nothing works (and my modular become strange).
My power supply is ok (4ms Row Power 40), all my modules are ok (even the one working on 5v), red stripe is ok... If I change row (and power supply) it's the same... I really don't know what happen, but I can't use this module with my case. And I'm under the limit : about 1000 mA on +12v by row (on 1.5A).

So sad, but I can't use the Nebulae v2 for an unknown reason...
JoeFuture
Sad to hear that Nemocaine. In your other case/power supply, how much current load did you have? One problem might be that when you power on a case, modules can draw a lot more power as they're first booting up. For this reason, I always use the Intellijel TPS80W power boards that have the "soft start" feature. Basically it powers up different parts of the board one after the other so you don't get that inrush of current draw all at once. Since switching to those boards, all my digital modules are behaving much more predictably on startup. You can retrofit other power boards to have this with the WMD soft start modules too.

Not 100% sure that's your problem, but it definitely could be.
yrn1
I have consistent crashes on 5V, even during startup. But it never crashed on 12V. I’m currently building a case with a TPS80W. I’ll check if it improves the 5V situation.
JoeFuture
Check the current ratings on your 5v rail. Most power supplies offer a lot less current to 5v than they do to +/- 12V. I run my Nebulae on 5v with no problems.

That said, everything on this thread has made me terrified to take out the USB stick and load more samples or instruments on it smile
vantablack
correct me if om wrong but isn't the files at http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/ the modes that are in the neb at launch? were there any answers to previous poster whether the alt instrument editor are released or not?

seriously, i just don't get it

edit: just found a new instrument http://www.qubitelectronix.com/durm
yrn1
I asked about the editor by mail. It is not yet ready but will be released soon.
vantablack
yrn1 wrote:
I asked about the editor by mail. It is not yet ready but will be released soon.


cool cool. rather have fw update before editor
danishchairs
solaris wrote:
... I'm having a hard time live-sampling rhythmic stuff and keeping it synchronized.

Could you say more about this, and/or provide a sample of the problem? I’m wondering if the record buffer could be an issue, but there’s not much information to go on.
solaris
danishchairs wrote:
solaris wrote:
... I'm having a hard time live-sampling rhythmic stuff and keeping it synchronized.

Could you say more about this, and/or provide a sample of the problem? I’m wondering if the record buffer could be an issue, but there’s not much information to go on.


for instance when sending an audio signal both to the monitors and to the nebulae ("blend" pot at noon) there's an audible delay between the two.

also, trying to do the typical stuttering/microrepeats on drums (in sync to the beat) that you can do with the phonogene is impossible.
maybe the "problem" is just me trying to do something is not really made for?
tommygee
solaris wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
solaris wrote:
... I'm having a hard time live-sampling rhythmic stuff and keeping it synchronized.

Could you say more about this, and/or provide a sample of the problem? I’m wondering if the record buffer could be an issue, but there’s not much information to go on.


for instance when sending an audio signal both to the monitors and to the nebulae ("blend" pot at noon) there's an audible delay between the two.

also, trying to do the typical stuttering/microrepeats on drums (in sync to the beat) that you can do with the phonogene is impossible.
maybe the "problem" is just me trying to do something is not really made for?

Yup there’s a delay
nnamesor
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
We are currently working on the v1.1 firmware update.

If you have any feature requests, please chime in on this thread and we'll do our best to implement them!


Still very interested having File Select be CV addressable (as opposed to using a gate to step through forward and backward sequentially) - allowing for file recall / selectability w/ Pressure Points, or something similar . . . would be awesome for “presets”.
solaris
tommygee wrote:

Yup there’s a delay


and do you know *why*?
uniquepersonno2
solaris wrote:
tommygee wrote:

Yup there’s a delay


and do you know *why*?


Because it's a digital module that does processing..? How would there not be a delay?
tommygee
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
solaris wrote:
tommygee wrote:

Yup there’s a delay


and do you know *why*?


Because it's a digital module that does processing..? How would there not be a delay?



Clever guys lol I not say that. But a less noticeable delay would be nice.
vantablack
maybe the delay is the result of grain density, overlap and speed settings on the grain side, i reason that with a blend of 50/50 would result in delay effect depending on gran settings on the right side
solaris
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
Because it's a digital module that does processing..? How would there not be a delay?


I am saying that there's a delay already when monitoring the audio input with the "blend" potentiometer at noon, before recording it into the buffer and processing it.
yrn1
Is it the same delay with the Test IO alternate instrument?
JoeFuture
New “Durm” alternate instrument has appeared on the QuBit downloads page. Appears to be a trigger able drum source.

https://www.qubitelectronix.com/durm
yrn1
I've been experimenting with Circular Recording. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it there is a buildup of severe cracks and clicks. Like there is no fade at the beginning/end of the record buffer. Quite unusable... Anyone else having this problem? Hope it can be fixed in the upcoming software update...
naturarerum
anyone know if Nebulae can record to the USB stick yet? it's the one big feature that I'd miss coming from a morphagene, and I can't find info about new firmware updates. Qubit ppl were apparently working on it so I just wanna check.
Trigga
I don't think so... This is what prevents me from getting it. Anyone know when or if this will be implemented?
Zymos
No idea when, but they said a page or 2 back that it's coming.
Naive Teen Idol
Question for Nebulae owners:

How powerful is the C-Sound platform? I don't know a ton about programming C-Sound, but have Cabbage on my Mac -- and there are some pretty basic programs that allow it to produce simple VST instruments (synths, 808 emulator, etc.).

Recognizing that there are only so many inputs on the module, can something like that be supported on the Nebulae?
zerodivide
Trigga wrote:
I don't think so... This is what prevents me from getting it. Anyone know when or if this will be implemented?


I read somewhere that its def happening in a future version
SinkWhole
Any news on saving samples to stick? If it’s close I’m going to grab a Neb for Xmas to pair with my Morphagene...
Gyroscope
SinkWhole wrote:
Any news on saving samples to stick? If it’s close I’m going to grab a Neb for Xmas to pair with my Morphagene...


I hope you're patient.
ersatzplanet
SinkWhole wrote:
Any news on saving samples to stick? If it’s close I’m going to grab a Neb for Xmas to pair with my Morphagene...


At this point it would be easier to get another module that just records, and record to it and move the files over.
SinkWhole
Sounds like it’s best not to jump in on faith for this one yet. Poss just grab another Morphagene instead...Shame though, a lot to like in the Neb. Separate pitch and speed, live mangling of the inputs.... Trying to weigh up how bad I’d miss the onboard sample saving day to day... But also read about a few other issues with it. Modular rules cos there so much choice! Modular sucks cos there’s so much choice!
Fayette
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile
StateAzure
Fayette wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile


Main issues I had/have were with the USB stick. First one broke, they sent a second one pretty quick (good support), but now that one is going wonky too.

I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??
JoeFuture
If you buy it, buy it for what it is, not for what it might someday be. Then if it ever becomes what it might someday be, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
SinkWhole
Fayette wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile


Read something about samples not loading on the beat when modulating through different samples? Maybe fixed or super rare problem someone was having?
SinkWhole
StateAzure wrote:
Fayette wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile


Main issues I had/have were with the USB stick. First one broke, they sent a second one pretty quick (good support), but now that one is going wonky too.

I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??


Probably totally unscientific and unrelated, but I find usb sticks really sketchy with Organelle. Like they just hate PD stuff for some reason?! Only tried 3 but all of them have been kinda slow/weird/unreliable. But fine before I started using them with Organelle. Only saying all this cos Nebulae is PD too right?
danishchairs
SinkWhole wrote:
... Only saying all this cos Nebulae is PD too right?

Not only PD. The main granular synthesis program is written in CSound. From the Neb2 manual:
Quote:
Alternate firmware files can be written with Pure Data, Csound, SuperCollider, and even bare-bones C programs.
SinkWhole
danishchairs wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
... Only saying all this cos Nebulae is PD too right?

Not only PD. The main granular synthesis program is written in CSound. From the Neb2 manual:
Quote:
Alternate firmware files can be written with Pure Data, Csound, SuperCollider, and even bare-bones C programs.


Had a feeling it was a long shot wink
yrn1
Quote:
Care to elaborate?


It’s also kinda sensitive to power supplies. Especially if you try to use it on 5V.
vertshi
does anyone have had unresponsiveness or reset problems after 10-40 minutes playing with the nebulae v2?
Mirrorad
SinkWhole wrote:
Any news on saving samples to stick? If it’s close I’m going to grab a Neb for Xmas to pair with my Morphagene...


I've stopped hoping for the holidays, so now I'm hoping they'll have it by NAMM. Crossing my fingers for the option to save the wavs in a format compatible with the Nebulae version 1. Please.
ersatzplanet
Mirrorad wrote:

I've stopped hoping for the holidays, so now I'm hoping they'll have it by NAMM. Crossing my fingers for the option to save the wavs in a format compatible with the Nebulae version 1. Please.


There will be the Stereo (v2) verses mono (v1) difference right off the bat. The Nebulae v1 was 44.1K 16bit mono and the Nebulae v2 is 48K, 24bit stereo so there may be some possibility that the old one may not be able to convert that. You can try by making some files on your computer in the new format and seeing if they will load. I have both versions so I can try it out. If I remember correctly, I think I have use older sticks on the newer units but not the other way around. I doubt that Q-bit would offer a downgrade save feature when it is taking this long to make the save in the same format.
danishchairs
vertshi wrote:
does anyone have had unresponsiveness or reset problems after 10-40 minutes playing with the nebulae v2?

Yes, a number of people have reported unresponsiveness/freezing problems with their Neb2. Mine froze after a couple of hours of continuous use, on more than one occasion. I sent it back to Qu-Bit for repair, about 5-6 months ago. I ran it for a couple of hours earlier this week, and it froze up again. (It worked fine after a reboot.) I’ll have to contact them, to see if it needs to go back for repair.
Mirrorad
ersatzplanet wrote:
Mirrorad wrote:

I've stopped hoping for the holidays, so now I'm hoping they'll have it by NAMM. Crossing my fingers for the option to save the wavs in a format compatible with the Nebulae version 1. Please.


There will be the Stereo (v2) verses mono (v1) difference right off the bat. The Nebulae v1 was 44.1K 16bit mono and the Nebulae v2 is 48K, 24bit stereo so there may be some possibility that the old one may not be able to convert that. You can try by making some files on your computer in the new format and seeing if they will load. I have both versions so I can try it out. If I remember correctly, I think I have use older sticks on the newer units but not the other way around. I doubt that Q-bit would offer a downgrade save feature when it is taking this long to make the save in the same format.


I agree, it's doubtful that they'll offer a downgrade save feature... but it would be a classy way to honor those customers who are still using their Nebulae v1 thumbs up
zerodivide
StateAzure wrote:
Fayette wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile


Main issues I had/have were with the USB stick. First one broke, they sent a second one pretty quick (good support), but now that one is going wonky too.

I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??


SanDisk Extreme Pro is the best of the best. I use it to DJ and transfer music nonstop. Its a workhorse and lightning fast
ersatzplanet
StateAzure wrote:
I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??


I recently bought the Qu-Bit USB sticks right off their site. $10 each and are all the size needed for the Nebulae (512MB), why buy a multi-gig stick when so little is being used?

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/accessories/qu-bit-flash-drives



They also come fully loaded with the factory programs and sample library.
StateAzure
ersatzplanet wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??


I recently bought the Qu-Bit USB sticks right off their site. $10 each and are all the size needed for the Nebulae (512MB), why buy a multi-gig stick when so little is being used?

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/accessories/qu-bit-flash-drives



They also come fully loaded with the factory programs and sample library.


That's what I mean though, I've had two of these already and both are playing up. So no more of those for me.
StateAzure
zerodivide wrote:
StateAzure wrote:
Fayette wrote:
SinkWhole wrote:
read about a few other issues with it.


care to elaborate? I'm curious smile


Main issues I had/have were with the USB stick. First one broke, they sent a second one pretty quick (good support), but now that one is going wonky too.

I don't get it with USB sticks, I also recently bought 3 different brands of sticks from Amazon and every single one of them broke on first use, or shortly after.

Is there ANY decent/solid/robust brand of USB stick out there??


SanDisk Extreme Pro is the best of the best. I use it to DJ and transfer music nonstop. Its a workhorse and lightning fast


Oh man, you're right. I do have one of these and it's worked flawlessly. I never thought to use it with the Nebulae, I just need to get a USB adapter stick. Cheers.
Zymos
It's actually hard to find those little (as in capacity, not physical size) sticks these days from the name brands.

I've been using a no name promo stick my Dad got as swag from a convention, works just fine....
ersatzplanet
I bought these when my microSD card reader broke, and they work really well. It is a USB connector that a microSD card slides into the front and then plugs into a standard USB jack. Only $8.

ersatzplanet
StateAzure wrote:
That's what I mean though, I've had two of these already and both are playing up. So no more of those for me.


You must be a lot rougher with your sticks than I am. Those sticks work great for me.
saemola
I watched this video and found it very interesting:




Nebulae seems more hi-fi and versatile than Morphagene, but I actually love Morphagene's sonic character and the ability to set splice points.
Of course it would be nice to have the best of both worlds, so here are my questions:
- can Nebulae reach Morphagene's gritty quality by playing with grain density and size, or does it always have that smooth "FFT stretching" sort of quality to it? (I don't know if that's what's going on behind the scenes, but that's what it sounds like to me)
- is it possible to achieve something similar to Morphagene's splice points?
needto
saemola wrote:

- can Nebulae reach Morphagene's gritty quality by playing with grain density and size, or does it always have that smooth "FFT stretching" sort of quality to it? (I don't know if that's what's going on behind the scenes, but that's what it sounds like to me)
- is it possible to achieve something similar to Morphagene's splice points?


In the video you posted the blend knob is turned fully CCW, meaning the sound comes from the "looping" mode which always sounds very smooth and seamless. With the blend knob turned CW on the other hand audio from the granular mode can be heard, it can be quite grainy depending on window and overlap settings, somewhat similar to Clouds. Also in this mode randomness can be added to most grain parameters which can be quite interesting.

I wish there was splice functionality that's as easy to use as on the Morphagene though, it's only possible to switch between different files in a linear or random fashion so far.
StateAzure
ersatzplanet wrote:
I bought these when my microSD card reader broke, and they work really well. It is a USB connector that a microSD card slides into the front and then plugs into a standard USB jack. Only $8.



Ooh, thanks for mentioning those, they would be ideal! I'll see if I can find them over here in the UK.

I don't get it with the Qu-bit ones either, I wasn't even using them heavily. I would load some samples and remove the stick until I decide to change/add different samples.

Also, every time I insert a Qu-bit stick into the PC it always warns that the stick needs scanned due to errors. seriously, i just don't get it
ersatzplanet
StateAzure wrote:
Ooh, thanks for mentioning those, they would be ideal! I'll see if I can find them over here in the UK.

I don't get it with the Qu-bit ones either, I wasn't even using them heavily. I would load some samples and remove the stick until I decide to change/add different samples.

Also, every time I insert a Qu-bit stick into the PC it always warns that the stick needs scanned due to errors. seriously, i just don't get it


Sounds like you got some bad ones or they were damaged in shipping. That's a drag cause the form factor on them is pretty sweet (multiple of them on a ring for instance).

I bought that microSD card adaptor off Amazon BTW so you should be able to get it over there.
saemola
needto wrote:
saemola wrote:

- can Nebulae reach Morphagene's gritty quality by playing with grain density and size, or does it always have that smooth "FFT stretching" sort of quality to it? (I don't know if that's what's going on behind the scenes, but that's what it sounds like to me)
- is it possible to achieve something similar to Morphagene's splice points?


In the video you posted the blend knob is turned fully CCW, meaning the sound comes from the "looping" mode which always sounds very smooth and seamless. With the blend knob turned CW on the other hand audio from the granular mode can be heard, it can be quite grainy depending on window and overlap settings, somewhat similar to Clouds. Also in this mode randomness can be added to most grain parameters which can be quite interesting.

I wish there was splice functionality that's as easy to use as on the Morphagene though, it's only possible to switch between different files in a linear or random fashion so far.

Interesting, I'm going to check a video demonstrating blend mode.
Pitching, stretching, "push to return to zero" all seem much easier on Nebulae. But that splice functionality seems really, really interesting.
I guess both modules are trying to do their own thing rather than everything.
brandonlogic
can Nebulae V2 reverse samples/grains?
ersatzplanet
brandonlogic wrote:
can Nebulae V2 reverse samples/grains?


When the speed control is CCW of the 12 o'clock position, the output goes backwards, faster the farther it it turned. This works with loop playing but I only assume it does the same with grains (since basically it is granulating all the time).
dare
I'm really confused over how re-recording a performance works.

Lets say I have recorded some audio into the buffer.
Now I tweak the settings a bit get a good loop

To record this sound I hit record and let it auto stop ( or hit record again)

Then I listen to the results which is what I just made but with a portion of the original recording on the end un affected.

How is this supposed to work. I've read the manual and I find it a mystery! smile
danishchairs
dare wrote:
I'm really confused over how re-recording a performance works.

Lets say I have recorded some audio into the buffer.
Now I tweak the settings a bit get a good loop

To record this sound I hit record and let it auto stop ( or hit record again)

Then I listen to the results which is what I just made but with a portion of the original recording on the end un affected.

How is this supposed to work. I've read the manual and I find it a mystery! smile

I think this has to do with the size of the buffer, which is analogous to a length of recording tape. The buffer size (or tape length) get set when you make the first recording. Once set, it will remain that length unless/until you do something to change it (erase the buffer, power off the Neb2, etc.).

You are describing two different scenarios for your second recording.

If you stop the second recording before it fills the buffer, then the rest of the previous, longer recording remains at the end of the buffer. This is what you described is happening. Sounds like what I’d expect.

If you let the second recording auto stop, then (I thought) all of the buffer would have the new recording. You say this is not happening. I agree with you, this is confusing.

More testing is needed. I’m away from the instrument now, but will try to replicate your experience later.
FrogStar
Can you correct this with the size knob? I’d expect moving it a little bit ccw would shorten the tape.
dare
danishchairs wrote:
dare wrote:
I'm really confused over how re-recording a performance works.

Lets say I have recorded some audio into the buffer.
Now I tweak the settings a bit get a good loop

To record this sound I hit record and let it auto stop ( or hit record again)

Then I listen to the results which is what I just made but with a portion of the original recording on the end un affected.

How is this supposed to work. I've read the manual and I find it a mystery! smile

I think this has to do with the size of the buffer, which is analogous to a length of recording tape. The buffer size (or tape length) get set when you make the first recording. Once set, it will remain that length unless/until you do something to change it (erase the buffer, power off the Neb2, etc.).

You are describing two different scenarios for your second recording.

If you stop the second recording before it fills the buffer, then the rest of the previous, longer recording remains at the end of the buffer. This is what you described is happening. Sounds like what I’d expect.

If you let the second recording auto stop, then (I thought) all of the buffer would have the new recording. You say this is not happening. I agree with you, this is confusing.

More testing is needed. I’m away from the instrument now, but will try to replicate your experience later.


Thanks for the reply, here's a short video demonstrating the behavior I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/5OhDhHz-5zA
danishchairs
dare wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
dare wrote:
I'm really confused over how re-recording a performance works.

Lets say I have recorded some audio into the buffer.
Now I tweak the settings a bit get a good loop

To record this sound I hit record and let it auto stop ( or hit record again)

Then I listen to the results which is what I just made but with a portion of the original recording on the end un affected.

How is this supposed to work. I've read the manual and I find it a mystery! smile

I think this has to do with the size of the buffer, which is analogous to a length of recording tape. The buffer size (or tape length) get set when you make the first recording. Once set, it will remain that length unless/until you do something to change it (erase the buffer, power off the Neb2, etc.).

You are describing two different scenarios for your second recording.

If you stop the second recording before it fills the buffer, then the rest of the previous, longer recording remains at the end of the buffer. This is what you described is happening. Sounds like what I’d expect.

If you let the second recording auto stop, then (I thought) all of the buffer would have the new recording. You say this is not happening. I agree with you, this is confusing.

More testing is needed. I’m away from the instrument now, but will try to replicate your experience later.


Thanks for the reply, here's a short video demonstrating the behavior I'm talking about.


—————
Before watching your video - For my second recording, I left the “start” knob fully CCW and the “size” knob fully CW. If the second recording keeps recording till it auto stops, then the buffer only contains the second recording. I do not notice any of the first recording at/near the end the buffer.

After watching your video (which is very helpful) - By adjusting the start and size knobs after recording something, I can replicate the behavior in the video exactly. Rough guess is that my second recording was about 2/3 as long as the buffer/tape length, and the last 1/3 of the buffer still had material from the previous recording.

From the Neb2 manual:
Quote:
Once the buffer is looping it’s possible to punch in at any moment and record the output back into the buffer, replacing the existing material (Record your loop backwards with no additional input to have it play backward when set to original speed).

Once an overdub has completed, original pitch and speed will reset, guaranteeing that you hear what you were just recording.

Perhaps the buffer is playing at “normal” speed inside the module. When recording is started the second time (what the Neb2 is calling “punch in” and “overdub”), something could be out of sync, because the start and size knobs have been adjusted. (It’s just an idea.)

FrogStar wrote:
Can you correct this with the size knob? I’d expect moving it a little bit ccw would shorten the tape.

This workaround was successful.
dare
Yes, it seems the re recording will be as long as the size setting is, if it's shorter than the original then the old recording will be present. I'm not sure why this behaves like this, if it's by design or bug.

I would prefer the recording to be the original length, or at least a way to have behave that way.
ignatius
had a customer who's nebulae V2 started freezing. turned out it was set to be powered off the 5v rail. pushing the switch tot he -12v location, as explained in the manual, fixed the problem. his system didn't have lot's of juice on the 5v rail but had plenty on the -12v rail. not sure why it was set to 5v in the first place.. but i checked the other nebulae v2 we had in stock and it was set that way as well. perhaps it's the default.. perhaps it's just the way they go through the QC when testing everything that they end up that way?

anyway.. seems that sorted everything out. if that's not something you've checked on your nebulae V2 perhaps try and see. consult the manual of course.
yrn1
I had the same 5V vs 12V issue. My system even has plenty of 5V, just the Nebulae seems to not like it as much. C
windspirit
dare wrote:
I'm not sure why this behaves like this, if it's by design or bug.


Pretty sure this is by design. The start/ size knobs determine where in the loop you are playing back from so similarly they will determine where you are recording to in the audio buffer.
j_dowe
ignatius wrote:
had a customer who's nebulae V2 started freezing. turned out it was set to be powered off the 5v rail. pushing the switch tot he -12v location, as explained in the manual, fixed the problem. his system didn't have lot's of juice on the 5v rail but had plenty on the -12v rail. not sure why it was set to 5v in the first place.. but i checked the other nebulae v2 we had in stock and it was set that way as well. perhaps it's the default.. perhaps it's just the way they go through the QC when testing everything that they end up that way?


mine came new set at -12v.

no idea why they'd be inconsistent...
ersatzplanet
j_dowe wrote:
ignatius wrote:
had a customer who's nebulae V2 started freezing. turned out it was set to be powered off the 5v rail. pushing the switch tot he -12v location, as explained in the manual, fixed the problem. his system didn't have lot's of juice on the 5v rail but had plenty on the -12v rail. not sure why it was set to 5v in the first place.. but i checked the other nebulae v2 we had in stock and it was set that way as well. perhaps it's the default.. perhaps it's just the way they go through the QC when testing everything that they end up that way?


mine came new set at -12v.

no idea why they'd be inconsistent...


Most likely the final test procedure has them testing the +5V to see if it works and it is probably near the last, if not the last, test in the series, and the person testing them just spaces out putting it back to the other setting.
jfprimeau
I'm on the fence about this one. It seems like a great module, especially since i could make it do just about anything with pure data (modular system inside a module inside a modular system yay!). However, i don't feel like dealing with computer problems (aka the freezing issues) with a module.

People who have used it for a while, what are your thoughts? Is it as fun to use as we would expect? Thanks!
jfprimeau
Double post
bago
I have mine since its release and it didn‘t get stuck once.
I swaped samples often and it always booted fine. Mine came set with its jumper to the 12V position. I‘m running it on 5V though, standart mantis case (it consumes so much that I wouldn‘t power any other module from the 5V-Rail simultaniously in this case).
I could test the module with a doepfer, uZeus, synthrotek and Waldorf power if there is interest, but I bet it will work fine.
Zymos
I've probably said this more than once in this thread, but no issues here.

I've had mine a while now, use it all the time and have lots of fun with it.
vailsy
No problems here either, loading my own samples etc etc. All works perfect in a make noise skiff, a mantis case and a 60hp 4ms pod. Also had it on once for most of the day playing festive slow modulating background ambience. No power issues
jfprimeau
Thanks for the input! I'll go for it in a very near future.
Riojamz
I love my Nebulae 2, it's a very fun module. During adding some of my own samples to the qu bit usb, I noticed that there was a sample folder with some additional samples preinstalled. These are sample that are different from the 10 or so samples when playing through the file source. However, I am not able to access them on the module as I tried understanding from the manual to no resolution. Does anyone know how I can play them? Is there something I'm missing or are these samples not available? I was able to skip through some of the files with names such as chords, barkings, rings, etc. Any idea?
solaris
Riojamz wrote:
I love my Nebulae 2, it's a very fun module. During adding some of my own samples to the qu bit usb, I noticed that there was a sample folder with some additional samples preinstalled. These are sample that are different from the 10 or so samples when playing through the file source. However, I am not able to access them on the module as I tried understanding from the manual to no resolution. Does anyone know how I can play them? Is there something I'm missing or are these samples not available? I was able to skip through some of the files with names such as chords, barkings, rings, etc. Any idea?


sounds are loaded into RAM, only those at the root level of the USB key will be loaded.
also, the RAM will load 75MB maximum.
Riojamz
Thank you Solaris! I'm now able to add them, wow much good stuff here as well.
g0lem
I'm starting to lose hope that we'll ever get the update that lets us write to the usb disk...
FrogStar
Honestly, I’m just fine without it. I find Neb to be great as is. I’d rather bounce sounds to The DAW anyhow where I can clean them up and trim for length.
What I’m waiting for is a test environment for some of my own code.
ersatzplanet
FrogStar wrote:
Honestly, I’m just fine without it. I find Neb to be great as is. I’d rather bounce sounds to The DAW anyhow where I can clean them up and trim for length.
What I’m waiting for is a test environment for some of my own code.


Me too. The Nebular will never be able to write very fast to the sticks, they are not fast media. I have modules that record (4ms STS) and easy to patch in and record as much as I like.
zerodivide
sorry if this was covered - is there a dual delay mode algorithm for the Nebulae? Interested in this module but need to get rid one to make space. Wondering if this could replace 4MS DLD
FrogStar
Neb 2 does have a simple delay but it is not a replacement for DLD. The Nebula delay is mono, has no sync, no feedback loop, no hold, cannot do Karplus Strong, etc. It is however coupled with a stock C Sound reverb.
All that said, Neb 2 is an open DSP platform sporting a rPi3 board. Programming a robust delay should be very possible.
Naive Teen Idol
Question: if I use a program like Cabbage on my Mac to create a simple, say, C Sound 808 drum kit, could I load that into the Nebulae?
ersatzplanet
zerodivide wrote:
sorry if this was covered - is there a dual delay mode algorithm for the Nebulae? Interested in this module but need to get rid one to make space. Wondering if this could replace 4MS DLD


As Frogstar posted, you could make a delay with Pure Data, Super Collider, CSound, or in C++ and it will load and run on the Nebulae. It is all ups to your programming chops. You have ~75MB of ram to play with, I don't know how much is in the DLD (and I have one!).
Naive Teen Idol
But do you need programming chops? As I mentioned, Cabbage on a Mac allows you to build simple instruments and effects out of pre-existing soft modules and export the instrument as C Sound files. Can the Nebulae load that?
ersatzplanet
Naive Teen Idol wrote:
But do you need programming chops? As I mentioned, Cabbage on a Mac allows you to build simple instruments and effects out of pre-existing soft modules and export the instrument as C Sound files. Can the Nebulae load that?


You will need enough chops to look at the CSound files that are out there - http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/ and figure out from them how to access the front panel controls and jacks. As you can see there is a template file for the PureData programming which contains a PD object for connecting to. I am not that familiar with CSound or SuperCollider to know how they connect to external hardware but I'm sure it is similar. The controls and jacks all are tagged by some method and then hooked to the programming. I doubt that a pre-existing soft module would come already knowing which jacks and pots to use on the Nebulae.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:
The Nebular will never be able to write very fast to the sticks, they are not fast media.

personally i was not missing a record to flash drive functionality very much so far.
But: i totally miss now the opportunity to shut down my modular and start at the same point, inclouding the Nebulae2.

looking from this perspective i´d say a "write to stick" functionality just has more faces than just one wink
Gyroscope
I wrote to Qu-bit and got a quick reply. They're working hard on the update to include the saving functionality and it should be available soon.
Mirrorad
Gyroscope wrote:
I wrote to Qu-bit and got a quick reply. They're working hard on the update to include the saving functionality and it should be available soon.


SlayerBadger! applause It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners Rockin' Banana!
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
The Nebular will never be able to write very fast to the sticks, they are not fast media.

personally i was not missing a record to flash drive functionality very much so far.
But: i totally miss now the opportunity to shut down my modular and start at the same point, inclouding the Nebulae2.

looking from this perspective i´d say a "write to stick" functionality just has more faces than just one wink


I totally agree with the "save the last parameter state" mode where the file chosen and all knob and switch positions are saved. Basically a preset maker. It already does a persistence of memory function of remembering what is in memory (it will have the last loaded stick in it when a stick is not present, all Instruments are in there until new ones overwrite them). The Nebulae v1 had a Preset Recall function but I believe that only recalled the "behind the front panel" settings in the secondary menu.

A preset recall of parameters would only easily recall the "soft" parameters of course - the file to play, the Speed knob position, the Pitch knob position and the button states. All the other knobs are not encoders so the only way to store them is to read the position and ignore the current position unless they are moved X amount. That can be problematic.

The "neb_log.txt" file is written to the stick at boot up so some writing to the stick does happen already. I could easily see a "neb_state.txt" file that holds the current knob positions and file chosen be written or read with different vulcan death grip button press combos.

The main feature I want is a "PLAY when gate high" one - where the loop doesn't play unless a gate in is high (use a seldom used in like Freeze) and resets to the start for every new high. THAT would add a lot to the module for me.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:

I totally agree with the "save the last parameter state" mode where the file chosen and all knob and switch positions are saved. Basically a preset maker.

exactly: "Preset Maker". Thats a nice description.



WANTED !


one "work in progress" Preset would do wink
Squarewave Fellowship
Could anybody help - few issues with a new Nebulae v2.

1: File playback is very distorted (with blend at middle so it is just the dry signal, or whether grains are being applied). This is the case with the default files, or my own loaded onto it, in any format.

2: Live signal recorded in is not distorted, but it sounds very low quality. It doesn't sound 48/24, more like maybe 22kHz, maybe 16bit. Very noticeably lofi. I'm not just being picky! Lofi like if sounds like it is trying to be lofi.

3: The noise floor is really high. I am using line-level in, so the gain needs to be up, and that puts it into ridiculous noise territory. Is that normal?

4: Re-loading files by pressing File and Source doesn't work. It will only read files on reboot.

I've read the manual and looked this up but I can't find anything. I don't think it is a power problem. It is the only module in a new rack with a new supply.

Thanks for any help.
Zymos
What are you listening to it with? Is it possible you are overloading it? Eurorack signals are a lot hotter than line level.

When working correctly, it is pretty hi fi, and if the default files from the USB stick are distorted, <something> is not right.
Squarewave Fellowship
Ah... heh yeah ummm sorry I was putting it into stereo ins on a mixer with no gain control. oooops.

Oh and "source" needs to be pressed very short to get read working.

Thanks for help!!! smile
Zymos
Glad you got it figured out- have fun!
Outsider Sound Design
Nebulae with Haken Continuum Fingerboard.

mattb
Outsider Sound Design wrote:
Nebulae with Haken Continuum Fingerboard.


what module are you using to interface the Fingerboard to your modular system?
Outsider Sound Design
mattb wrote:
Outsider Sound Design wrote:
Nebulae with Haken Continuum Fingerboard.


what module are you using to interface the Fingerboard to your modular system?


I am using the Haken Continuum Voltage Converter (CVC).
https://www.hakenaudio.com/voltage-converter/
j_dowe
Outsider Sound Design wrote:

I am using the Haken Continuum Voltage Converter (CVC).
https://www.hakenaudio.com/voltage-converter/


interesting. the comparison between the CVC & midi is compelling.
brandonlogic
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.


sorry for the nebulae 2 noob request, but could somebody please help explain how to enter this mode? I figured out how to process real-time audio by creating a short buffer and continuously recording into it but haven't been able to figure out how to do it without creating a buffer. I can’t find anything on it in the manual other than how to switch to live source for recording. When I switch to live source without creating a buffer, none of the controls have any effect on the sound and the blend knob just fades from live input source to silence. Appreciate any help thanks
danishchairs
brandonlogic wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.


sorry for the nebulae 2 noob request, but could somebody please help explain how to enter this mode? I figured out how to process real-time audio by creating a short buffer and continuously recording into it but haven't been able to figure out how to do it without creating a buffer. I can’t find anything on it in the manual other than how to switch to live source for recording. When I switch to live source without creating a buffer, none of the controls have any effect on the sound and the blend knob just fades from live input source to silence. Appreciate any help thanks

I see that quote from Qu-Bit on page 3 of this thread, a few months before the Neb2 was released. (Perhaps they said it other places as well, though I don't see it in the module's description on their website, nor in the user manual.) Unfortunately, I don't think this mode is part of the programming. (I also don't think that it's possible to do granular synthesis without some kind of recording. Happy to be proved wrong.)
brandonlogic
danishchairs wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:

In addition to file playback, overdub buffer recording, and one shot mode, there is also a live processing mode that allows the granularization of incoming audio without recording direct to a buffer.


sorry for the nebulae 2 noob request, but could somebody please help explain how to enter this mode? I figured out how to process real-time audio by creating a short buffer and continuously recording into it but haven't been able to figure out how to do it without creating a buffer. I can’t find anything on it in the manual other than how to switch to live source for recording. When I switch to live source without creating a buffer, none of the controls have any effect on the sound and the blend knob just fades from live input source to silence. Appreciate any help thanks

I see that quote from Qu-Bit on page 3 of this thread, a few months before the Neb2 was released. (Perhaps they said it other places as well, though I don't see it in the module's description on their website, nor in the user manual.) Unfortunately, I don't think this mode is part of the programming. (I also don't think that it's possible to do granular synthesis without some kind of recording. Happy to be proved wrong.)


Yeah I know there needs to be some kind of buffer but this comment made me feel like I was missing something. And I’ve been struggling to get results I like from the ‘circular recording’ method so I thought I’d ask.
danishchairs
brandonlogic wrote:
Yeah I know there needs to be some kind of buffer but this comment made me feel like I was missing something. And I’ve been struggling to get results I like from the ‘circular recording’ method so I thought I’d ask.

I can’t tell if you’re missing anything, but I think it was an incorrect or misleading comment from Qu-Bit.
ersatzplanet
danishchairs wrote:
(I also don't think that it's possible to do granular synthesis without some kind of recording. Happy to be proved wrong.)


You are correct. To do granular, the audio is chopped into small slices (or grains) and these are played repeatedly very quickly to make tonalities. To play them that way, they have to be recorded somewhere, in a memory buffer. There is no other way to do it.
yrn1
ersatzplanet wrote:
You are correct. To do granular, the audio is chopped into small slices (or grains) and these are played repeatedly very quickly to make tonalities. To play them that way, they have to be recorded somewhere, in a memory buffer. There is no other way to do it.


True, but this recording could be done continuously, like MI Clouds does. Unfortunately, the Nebulae doesn't do this.

I'm trying to modify the firmware so that it can do this, but it's no easy task, without the 'instrument tester' that QuBit still has to release.
Zymos
Is that not what Circular Record is for?
yrn1
Zymos wrote:
Is that not what Circular Record is for?


Clouds is more like a delay line with grains, instead of circular record I think.
brandonlogic
one problem i have with Circular Record is that there is no control of feedback amount that i can tell. It seems that feedback is set to a fixed value. I find myself wanting to turn down the feedback because i often find there's just too much in the buffer when circular recording into a couple second buffer and it sounds like a mess.

I'm not sure how it works on clouds, but with cloud's i never had this problem.
Funky40
i also never could achive anything that i found worthful when testing out the "direct signal" mangling.
so i never tryed again !

i use my neb2 only by recording a signal fresh into the buffer, and then work from there with that fresh record.
its a great module for that task.
Riojamz
I can use any usb stick to upload samples right? Or does it have to be qu bit usb stick only?
needto
Riojamz wrote:
I can use any usb stick to upload samples right? Or does it have to be qu bit usb stick only?

Any usb stick should work.
ersatzplanet
needto wrote:
Riojamz wrote:
I can use any usb stick to upload samples right? Or does it have to be qu bit usb stick only?

Any usb stick should work.


Don't bother getting big ones either since only 75MB of sound is loaded. Perfect use for older sticks. I have also use SD card and Micr SD card to USB converter sticks with perfect success too.

Qu-Bit does sell the same sticks they supply with the unit, which is a great form factor.
parapluie
Got mine back two weeks ago from Qu-Bits after nearly three months of repair (it kept freezing after a while, in both 5V or 12V mode).
I was very happy at first because it didn't freeze anymore and I love this module, but what a letdown when I tried to load my samples...
I have to hold the USB stick a certain way in order to get it recognized by the Nebulae, the connexion is very loose... It just randomly works, and it feels like it will eventually stop working, so I sent another message to Qu-Bits. I tried different USB sticks of various brands, including the one Qu-Bits sent me back.

Very disappointed, to say the least. I love this module and I use it A LOT in my music, but I guess I'll have to send it back...

Not a very useful post, I know, but I'm just... Dead Banana
Riojamz
The only problem I find with mine is that I really have to press the source button down firmly to switch. It usually doesn't work with a simple press of the button. I have to press it a few times firmly until it works, fortunately it does eventually work and I don't require to press it consistently but I do feel it is a bit unresponsive at times. Otherwise, it is a very good module.
natureclubcassettes
i would love to hear more of the alternative instruments people have developed for this thing...
ersatzplanet
Riojamz wrote:
The only problem I find with mine is that I really have to press the source button down firmly to switch. It usually doesn't work with a simple press of the button. I have to press it a few times firmly until it works, fortunately it does eventually work and I don't require to press it consistently but I do feel it is a bit unresponsive at times. Otherwise, it is a very good module.


The Source button is timed. it is used for multiple uses because of this feature. A tap is a different command than a push.

In Granular mode, a tap will choose between the File or Live as a source while pressing it for longer than 25ms should chose the alternate Secondary Control Menu.

In One-shot mode, a tap will Kill All Trigger/Buttons and Chokes all the inputs while pressing it for longer than 25ms should chose the alternate Secondary Control Menu.

In instrument mode this can do a lot of different things. In the "World of Echo" instrument, this button mutes the audio ins for example.

*EDIT* I may be wrong about the timing, it may be 250ms instead. I hardly use this function so don't remember away from the machine.
jfprimeau
ersatzplanet wrote:
Riojamz wrote:
The only problem I find with mine is that I really have to press the source button down firmly to switch. It usually doesn't work with a simple press of the button. I have to press it a few times firmly until it works, fortunately it does eventually work and I don't require to press it consistently but I do feel it is a bit unresponsive at times. Otherwise, it is a very good module.


The Source button is timed. it is used for multiple uses because of this feature. A tap is a different command than a push.

In Granular mode, a tap will choose between the File or Live as a source while pressing it for longer than 25ms should chose the alternate Secondary Control Menu.

In One-shot mode, a tap will Kill All Trigger/Buttons and Chokes all the inputs while pressing it for longer than 25ms should chose the alternate Secondary Control Menu.

In instrument mode this can do a lot of different things. In the "World of Echo" instrument, this button mutes the audio ins for example.


For what it's worth, I had a similar problem with Clouds where the buttons to change program would be semi-responsive. I came to the conclusion that the power headroom provided by my power source was too small even if it was around the recommended 10%. When I upgraded my power system to a bigger one (I basically added a second 4ms row of power to my case), the module started to behave normally again. Maybe something similar is at play here?
danishchairs
jfprimeau wrote:
...Maybe something similar is at play here?

That’s a good guess, but no, it’s not the same.

ersatzplanet wrote:
The Source button is timed. it is used for multiple uses because of this feature. A tap is a different command than a push.

This is actually true for the Neb2. You can find more details in the manual.
muffmuffmuff
yrn1 wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
You are correct. To do granular, the audio is chopped into small slices (or grains) and these are played repeatedly very quickly to make tonalities. To play them that way, they have to be recorded somewhere, in a memory buffer. There is no other way to do it.


True, but this recording could be done continuously, like MI Clouds does. Unfortunately, the Nebulae doesn't do this.

I'm trying to modify the firmware so that it can do this, but it's no easy task, without the 'instrument tester' that QuBit still has to release.



So I looked into the code of the Granular Looper Instrument file, trying to modify circular recording in a way, that only the inputs are recorded without the Nebulae's output fed back into it. I should mention, that I am no expert and have zero experience with Csound … but I made it work with just a very small change in line 674 & 675.

I changed …

arecL = amixl
arecR = amixr

… to …

arecL = ainl
arecR = ainl EDIT: ainr

Now, what gets recorded during circular recording is not the "mix" (with the output mixed in) anymore, but only the inputs.
I saved it as a new .instr file and loaded it onto the Nebulae – it works! Now I can load this mode from the user bank when I need it, and easily switch back to the original version.

One thing to note when loading user .instr files: You have to load one of the other modes from the factory bank first and then load the user .instr file from there, otherwise it's not working. (it's mentioned in the user manual somewhere)
Trebbers
Woah, that's huge
buyingitwontmakeucool
Trebbers wrote:
Woah, that's huge


Great job mmm!!

Can you guys talk about the use cases of this (since you give up sound on sound to get it)? People got excited about this option with the Morphagene too. But I’ve been fixated on not losing sound on sound, so I keep feeling like I’m missing out on something fun smile
brandonlogic
muffmuffmuff wrote:
yrn1 wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
You are correct. To do granular, the audio is chopped into small slices (or grains) and these are played repeatedly very quickly to make tonalities. To play them that way, they have to be recorded somewhere, in a memory buffer. There is no other way to do it.


True, but this recording could be done continuously, like MI Clouds does. Unfortunately, the Nebulae doesn't do this.

I'm trying to modify the firmware so that it can do this, but it's no easy task, without the 'instrument tester' that QuBit still has to release.



So I looked into the code of the Granular Looper Instrument file, trying to modify circular recording in a way, that only the inputs are recorded without the Nebulae's output fed back into it. I should mention, that I am no expert and have zero experience with Csound … but I made it work with just a very small change in line 674 & 675.

I changed …

arecL = amixl
arecR = amixr

… to …

arecL = ainl
arecR = ainl

Now, what gets recorded during circular recording is not the "mix" (with the output mixed in) anymore, but only the inputs.
I saved it as a new .instr file and loaded it onto the Nebulae – it works! Now I can load this mode from the user bank when I need it, and easily switch back to the original version.

One thing to note when loading user .instr files: You have to load one of the other modes from the factory bank first and then load the user .instr file from there, otherwise it's not working. (it's mentioned in the user manual somewhere)


Awesome. Can you share the .instr with us?
Do you get occasional clicks with this now since there’s no feedack in the buffer or no? I was thinking that might be a challenge doing it this way.
brandonlogic
buyingitwontmakeucool wrote:
Trebbers wrote:
Woah, that's huge


Great job mmm!!

Can you guys talk about the use cases of this (since you give up sound on sound to get it)? People got excited about this option with the Morphagene too. But I’ve been fixated on not losing sound on sound, so I keep feeling like I’m missing out on something fun smile


Same way you would use it before, run any live audio though and granulize it. It’s just now the buffer won’t get filled and muddied up so quick. For me, thats huge, because i havnt been using the circular recording method for this reason, just gets messy to quick. Excited to try this.
yrn1
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...
brandonlogic
yrn1 wrote:
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...


Yep that’s what I was afraid of.
There must be some way around it? Some kind of fade.
muffmuffmuff
yrn1 wrote:
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...


Yes, true – haven't noticed that before.

When I record a sustained note into the buffer, then activate circular recording and then record silence over it, the buffer gets almost silent except a tiny fraction of the original note. weird.
muffmuffmuff
muffmuffmuff wrote:
yrn1 wrote:
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...


Yes, true – haven't noticed that before.

When I record a sustained note into the buffer, then activate circular recording and then record silence over it, the buffer gets almost silent except a tiny fraction of the original note. weird.


Made a few more tests. I tried the same procedure as above with the original granular looper in circular recording mode (with Blend at 12 o clock while recording, then checking results with Blend at full cc). Same glitch at the beginning of the buffer!! Seems like an obvious bug in the Nebulae ...
brandonlogic
muffmuffmuff wrote:
muffmuffmuff wrote:
yrn1 wrote:
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...


Yes, true – haven't noticed that before.

When I record a sustained note into the buffer, then activate circular recording and then record silence over it, the buffer gets almost silent except a tiny fraction of the original note. weird.


Made a few more tests. I tried the same procedure as above with the original granular looper in circular recording mode (with Blend at 12 o clock while recording, then checking results with Blend at full cc). Same glitch at the beginning of the buffer!! Seems like an obvious bug in the Nebulae ...


Its not a bug, its just the nature of live looping, unless theres something coded to handle the when the buffer restarts, there will be a click. Gary did some work on the 4ms DLD to minimize clicks in firmware updates and got much better. The er301 suffers form live buffer recording clicks in some cases and they are currently working on a firmware fix to minimize it as well (by implementation of a "ring buffer"). its a common issue with live buffers, but it can be dealt with in cleaver coding.
muffmuffmuff
brandonlogic wrote:
muffmuffmuff wrote:
muffmuffmuff wrote:
yrn1 wrote:
Brilliant! I did the patch too and it’s already much closer to what I was hoping to get. Though the clicking at the loop point is still there...


Yes, true – haven't noticed that before.

When I record a sustained note into the buffer, then activate circular recording and then record silence over it, the buffer gets almost silent except a tiny fraction of the original note. weird.


Made a few more tests. I tried the same procedure as above with the original granular looper in circular recording mode (with Blend at 12 o clock while recording, then checking results with Blend at full cc). Same glitch at the beginning of the buffer!! Seems like an obvious bug in the Nebulae ...


Its not a bug, its just the nature of live looping, unless theres something coded to handle the when the buffer restarts, there will be a click. Gary did some work on the 4ms DLD to minimize clicks in firmware updates and got much better. The er301 suffers form live buffer recording clicks in some cases and they are currently working on a firmware fix to minimize it as well (by implementation of a "ring buffer"). its a common issue with live buffers, but it can be dealt with in cleaver coding.


True. I understand that there might be clicks, naturally.

Sadly, it’s more than just a click, at least in my case (using factory granular looper mode with circular recording enabled). It’s more like a short remainder of the recording. E.g. when recording silence over a sustained chord, a short part of the chord remains, which is still long enough to hear the harmony of the chord...
danishchairs
muffmuffmuff wrote:
… but I made it work with just a very small change in line 674 & 675.

I changed …

arecL = amixl
arecR = amixr

… to …

arecL = ainl
arecR = ainl


Great job!

I might have though that line 675 would be

arecR = ainr
.... instead of ...
arecR = ainl

Isn’t the code you wrote only reading the input from the left channel?
muffmuffmuff
danishchairs wrote:
muffmuffmuff wrote:
… but I made it work with just a very small change in line 674 & 675.

I changed …

arecL = amixl
arecR = amixr

… to …

arecL = ainl
arecR = ainl


Great job!

I might have though that line 675 would be

arecR = ainr
.... instead of ...
arecR = ainl

Isn’t the code you wrote only reading the input from the left channel?


Yes, absolutely right! It should be R and L. Had it correct in the code, but made the mistake when writing the post. Thanks for pointing it out!
EDIT: Fixed it in the original post.
Squarewave Fellowship
thanks muffmuffmuff, that is really useful, and encouraging to hear a success story in editing the Csound. I'm an intermediate coder, and unfamiliar with Csound, but I'm going to have a look at it soon... this is my code edit wishlist (for the default granular .inst):

+ 2ndary ​"​start" randomizes ​the start position for all grains, with the variable being distance from actual start point. I'd ​prefer the dial to be​ "chance of​ grain​ having random start point" (with distance distribution being fixed, say, ​to anywhere within whole loop). So, at low levels, only once in a few grains will it choose a grain from a random start point. At full clockwise, all grains would be random location.

+ ​2ndary "pitch" makes it so that all grains are randomly pitch shifted, and variable is "potential distance from true pitch". ​I'd like ​the knob​ to be "chance of grain being pitch shifted"​ instead (full clockwise being every grain is shifted)​. ​Pitch could then be locked to something musical like octaves, or fifths and octaves, or a scale (put a file on the USB with that for firmware to read?).​

+ Primary "window" is window shape, and makes only a marginal change to the sound, except at far right (square), where the clicks of doom emerge. For me, it isn't very useful to CV control window shape. However, secondary window (random grain mute) is very useful - can that be made the primary function, and so be CV controlled? This should be fairly easy to edit the code for?

+ ​2ndary "window" is random grain muting, but it also random stereo pans grains - is that a bug? Because the random pan is already on secondary "size". ​​I'd like to be able to control whether it is panning while random muting.

+ Pulse emits a pulse at the end of the loop. I often use long loops. I would find it very useful for it to pulse at the end of each grain instead (or have the option to toggle it in a text file on USB or something?).

I guess some of the above could be done over CV, but I only have a small setup and don't want to sacrifice modules to controlling the Neb!

ps: what does FM (2ndary blend) do? I can't hear any effect... Am I deaf?!
WeepWow
Just got a Neb2 - 2 days ago. I apologize if I missed my question here in the previous long thread. (I only read quickly thru the manual yesterday), a lot of its over my head...

Question: after you record fresh audio directly into the Neb2, can you splice/edit/mark the audio into different splices/clips, like the Phonogene does? If so, can these 'clips' then be re-saved on a USB thumb drive as individual files? (I guess not).

I see you can record your own samples/files up to 75mb onto a USB drive, but I haven't tried this yet.
mattcolville
Is there a way to get the Nebulae to reverse an audio signal live, with CV control? I want to be able to take a live signal and reverse an arbitrary chunk of it, for an arbitrary amount of time.

So far, reading the manual and experimenting, I was able to get it to *record* some live audio but the result was weird, it seemed like every time I sent a gate to the record input, it *added* the audio to a buffer, and I could hear old 'recordings' layering on top which was not what I expected. I might have been hearing things. grin

But I wasn't really able to tell it "grab the audio from the last N seconds and play it back at -X speed until I switch this gate off" which is what I'm going for. May be more of a Morphogene trick.
danishchairs
WeepWow wrote:
... Question: after you record fresh audio directly into the Neb2, can you splice/edit/mark the audio into different splices/clips, like the Phonogene does? If so, can these 'clips' then be re-saved on a USB thumb drive as individual files? (I guess not).

The Neb2 cannot splice/mark the audio into different splices like the Phonogene and Morphagene. You might be able to get something like what you want with careful patching into the “start” and “size” inputs.

The Neb2 cannot save to the USB thumb drive. (You’d have to record your audio to another device, save it into a format the Neb2 can recognize, then copy that onto a USB flash drive to load it back into the module.)

These things could change with new firmware.
danishchairs
mattcolville wrote:
Is there a way to get the Nebulae to reverse an audio signal live, with CV control? I want to be able to take a live signal and reverse an arbitrary chunk of it, for an arbitrary amount of time.

I think only recorded audio can be reversed. Once you’ve recorded something into the buffer, then you can control its direction with CV.

mattcolville wrote:
So far, reading the manual and experimenting, I was able to get it to *record* some live audio but the result was weird, it seemed like every time I sent a gate to the record input, it *added* the audio to a buffer, and I could hear old 'recordings' layering on top which was not what I expected. I might have been hearing things. grin

The position of the “blend” knob is supposed to determine what gets recorded. If it wasn’t at 12 o’clock, you might have been bringing in some of the previous recordings.

On page 26 of this thread, there is more discussion about recordings that didn’t go as planned. That might be helpful.
mattcolville
danishchairs wrote:
mattcolville wrote:
Is there a way to get the Nebulae to reverse an audio signal live, with CV control? I want to be able to take a live signal and reverse an arbitrary chunk of it, for an arbitrary amount of time.

I think only recorded audio can be reversed. Once you’ve recorded something into the buffer, then you can control its direction with CV.


Ahh yeah reading the manual and looking at videos I *think* it doesn't do what I would like. I guess I'm looking for something like the Clouds "freeze" button where I can send it a gate, and the last N seconds of audio now plays backwards. Silly thing to want, I can live without it. I thought maybe the Morphogene could do it, but it seems like they both need to be told A: record this and then B: stop recording and then C: play it backwards.

danishchairs wrote:

The position of the “blend” knob is supposed to determine what gets recorded. If it wasn’t at 12 o’clock, you might have been bringing in some of the previous recordings.


I 100% think this was it, thanks. Actually it's pretty cool, nice effect.

Both the Morphogene and the Nebulae are powerful modules but it does seem like they expect "a recording" either a file or one you made live rather than just "grab the last N seconds of audio and immediately begin monkeying with them." A difference that was lost on me!

Thanks for the response!
Qu-Bit Electronix
Hello Everyone

The v2.1 firmware update is here!
applause

New Features:

- Live buffer can be saved to the USB flash drive
- The Nebulae will boot up to whichever instrument file was last used
- All secondary settings will save between power cycles
- You can load PD files direct from the main granular looper instrument
- Pressing the pitch encoder while turning it will move in octave increments
- Various performance increases and stability improvements

You can download it here:
v2.1 Firmware

To update the firmware on your unit:

- Place the neb_update.zip file on a flash drive (this is found inside of the downloaded zip folder)
- Insert the flash drive into your Nebulae (with the power off)
- Power up your case (without anything patched into the Nebulae)

That's it!

The module will show an LED animation while it's updating and it will take around 1 minute total.
Once it has finished updating it will boot into the granular looper instrument, and it will remove the update .zip file from the flash drive so that you don't have to worry about updating by accident in the future.

Happy Nebbing!
Fedor
Guinness ftw! Can't wait for mine to arrive, thank you!
ersatzplanet
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
Hello Everyone

The v2.1 firmware update is here!
applause



Now starts the "Why didn't you add XXXX?" or "Great but you should have done XXX like YYY".

This is a tough crowd.
exper
Awesome. Can’t wait to try out this when I get home.
AnalogAssailant
Looks like a great update, thanks qubit!
ddoyen
THANK YOU!!! SlayerBadger!
yrn1
Apart from the mentioned changes, are there also changes in the granular looper csound code? Or is it the same?

I’m asking, since I patched it a bit...
Mirrorad
Thank You X ∞ !!!
Funky40
Thank You Qu-Bit !


now thats a update method eek! wink
#convinced


where can i subscribe for an "abonnement" for this update Method ? hihi wink
Squarewave Fellowship
Thanks so much, this is excellent news!

buuuttt, (don't mean to sound ungrateful or anything confused ) but for me it seems this update has introduced an issue: pressing and holding "source" to access secondary functions now adds a pop to the audio, both at button-on and button-off. Anyone else got this issue? Any ideas about that Qubit? love

edit: the pops are concurrent with the green LED on/off on the R-Pi board - did that LED always light up with source press? To me it sounds like there are four pops per long press, one for each change state for that LED (which changes state four times per source press). Anyway, maybe it is a clue. Maybe not.

Also, is it possible to provide rollback firmware? This issue is pretty serious to me and I would prefer it to not click and lose the new functions.
ddoyen
I'm also getting the popping when switching between sources. Digging the changes though. Writing to USB is awesome. I'm assuming because the module loads the samples into memory on startup, there isn't a way to access the newly created file unless you power back up?
danishchairs
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
... Also, is it possible to provide rollback firmware? ...

The manual says it’s possible to return to the original firmware:
Quote:
Reverting to the Factory Firmware

Adding a file “revert_to_factory_firmware” to the root directory of your USB drive will cause the Nebulae to revert to the factory firmware.

The file can be empty, and will be deleted after the reversion has been complete.

If something goes wrong with a firmware update, performing this or another firmware update will likely resolve the issue.

This will always revert to v1.0.0 of the Nebulae Firmware.

After booting the module up with the revert_factory_firmware file on the USB drive, it may take longer than normal to enter the boot sequence.

I recommend a reboot of the module after any firmware changes.
danishchairs
ddoyen wrote:
... I'm assuming because the module loads the samples into memory on startup, there isn't a way to access the newly created file unless you power back up?

Unless the new 2.1 firmware has changed things, the manual says it should be possible:
Quote:
Loading Files

Files are automatically loaded and sorted at boot up, but can also be reloaded at anytime by holding file, and pressing source from any instrument’s primary control page.

The LED animation has two different behaviors when loading files.

If there is a USB drive detected and files are being copied from it, the LEDs will be aqua.

If there is no USB drive detected and the existing files are being reloaded, the LEDs will cycle blue.
ddoyen
danishchairs wrote:
ddoyen wrote:
... I'm assuming because the module loads the samples into memory on startup, there isn't a way to access the newly created file unless you power back up?

Unless the new 2.1 firmware has changed things, the manual says it should be possible:
Quote:
Loading Files

Files are automatically loaded and sorted at boot up, but can also be reloaded at anytime by holding file, and pressing source from any instrument’s primary control page.

The LED animation has two different behaviors when loading files.

If there is a USB drive detected and files are being copied from it, the LEDs will be aqua.

If there is no USB drive detected and the existing files are being reloaded, the LEDs will cycle blue.


Ah! Thanks.
Squarewave Fellowship
Reverting to factory firmware using that method does not work - no changes are made, and the file "revert_to_factory_firmware" remains on the USB card, it appears to be ignored by v2.1. At least, for me. Anyone else?

Please help QuBit...!
Squarewave Fellowship
Can anyone reproduce this issue: [edit: in v2.1]

After aqua "refresh" LEDs from doing a "file" + "source" (say, if you have recorded and saved a buffer), it will then weirdly enter red LED record mode on live input (but with no audio coming through until you touch a control), with "record", "file", and "source" LEDs mysteriously lit (sometimes just record and source). This will happen every time for hours. Then stop for a minute. Then starts again. Not the end of the world, but weird.

I guess feature not bug: Saved files are normalised up to some consistent level. I don't want that! smile what if I want to record something quiet?! It's ok, I realise why you have done this, and possibly most users would want this.

Tried: reupdating, different USB card, formatting USB card.
Gyroscope
Been waiting for this update. Nice job Qu-Bit!
ddoyen
So happy that the nebulae saves your spot when you power down now. One thing I did notice however is if I reload the files using the push file+source method, after reloading it recalls my primary control settings but not the secondary control settings. If I power down, it recalls both. Dunno if this is intentional or something that could potentially be addressed in the future.
ersatzplanet
From the last couple of post, I think I will wait till v2.2. I like mine enough right now.
Squarewave Fellowship
ersatzplanet wrote:
From the last couple of post, I think I will wait till v2.2. I like mine enough right now.


Wish I had waited for someone else to be the lab rat.

Denying rollback is reckless of QuBit, especially on their very first update which is perhaps the most likely to be buggy. And I don't even want the save feature! (The loops are more valuable in their ephemerality ...*zen*...)

More bugz: intermittently boots into record mode, strange LEDs lit. Sometimes takes a few tries to cancel secondary settings with [source]+[pitch press]. Not the end of the world. But not a sign of stability; it wasn't like this before. no rollback!?! #versioncontrolfail seriously, i just don't get it
ersatzplanet
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
And I don't even want the save feature! (The loops are more valuable in their ephemerality ...*zen*...)


Me either. The saving of knob settings might have been useful but I have plenty of programmers to throw at that job. I basically have a PGM-4X4 slaved to each of mine.
danishchairs
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Can anyone reproduce this issue: [edit: in v2.1]

After aqua "refresh" LEDs from doing a "file" + "source" (say, if you have recorded and saved a buffer), it will then weirdly enter red LED record mode on live input (but with no audio coming through until you touch a control), with "record", "file", and "source" LEDs mysteriously lit (sometimes just record and source). This will happen every time for hours. Then stop for a minute. Then starts again. Not the end of the world, but weird.

I’m sorry, but I cannot reproduce the issue you described above. (I have noticed some other things which I’ll try to document in another post.)

Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Reverting to factory firmware using that method does not work - no changes are made, and the file "revert_to_factory_firmware" remains on the USB card, it appears to be ignored by v2.1. At least, for me.

This makes me wonder: either the new firmware is preventing the original firmware from being reinstalled, or there is something else going on. Perhaps the USB drive is intermittently connected to the RPi. Or perhaps the flash drive has bad sectors or wasn’t formatted as FAT32. (I think these things have been mentioned by other users in this thread.)

Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
... More bugz: intermittently boots into record mode, strange LEDs lit. Sometimes takes a few tries to cancel secondary settings with [source]+[pitch press]. Not the end of the world. But not a sign of stability; it wasn't like this before. no rollback!?! #versioncontrolfail seriously, i just don't get it

If there is a problem with the USB drive or cable connecting it to the RPi, then perhaps the update might have gotten corrupted, causing these errors. Or perhaps the update file itself got corrupted somewhere between Qu-Bit’s website and your flash drive.

Another possibility is that your module needs repair. A number of us (including me) have had to send our modules back to Qu-Bit. They’re pretty good about responding to emails.

Apologies if this is all stuff you know.
Squarewave Fellowship
I dunno. Corruption seems unlikely. Hashes are checked on download, upload, install, update, this, that, the other. Corruption usually results in total failure, not weird behaviour.

My whinge is: my Neb wasn't like this before, and rollback isn't an option. wtf.
Qu-Bit Electronix
Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to clear some things up here:

- You can still revert to the factory firmware but the "revert_to_factory_firmware" file must not have an extension (.txt, etc). We tested this functionality thoroughly on the v2.1 firmware to make sure you could always go back.
Here is a link to a working reversion file:
revert_to_factory_firmware

- The new firmware saves settings only when you enter or exit the secondary function menu. If you think it is booting into unexpected settings, it is most likely because you didn't save everything before powering down by entering the secondary function menu (hold down source for > 100ms)

- We are investigating the source switching. We will report back with what we find and post a patch if necessary.
Squarewave Fellowship
Thank you QuBit.

Yes; emptying a file and renaming it to "revert_to_factory_firmware" doesn't work. Creating an empty file on command line does work.
naturarerum
Has anyone tried plugging the Pi to a screen to see what's happening back there? Wondering what kind of OS it's running and what's coming out of the ports. hmmm.....
exper
naturarerum wrote:
Has anyone tried plugging the Pi to a screen to see what's happening back there? Wondering what kind of OS it's running and what's coming out of the ports. hmmm.....


Oh wow. Never thought about that. Would be cool just to see file name of current sample. But that’d be amazing if you could get some visualization of sample position, etc.
windspirit
fwiw you can plug an ethernet cable into your pi and into your internet router and then ssh into the pi and see what I assume is the same thing, Id be surprised if this firmware was running the gui.
Southfork
I’m guessing There’s actually nothing stopping people from making an expander with an led screen like the terminal tedium. Both are built on raspberry pi. The nebulae is open source if I remember rightly. Just come up with a python script and plumb in via the i2c lines.

Terminal tedium LED
Outsider Sound Design
Experimental sound with 2 x Nebulae V1 and 1 x Nebulae V2.

Squarewave Fellowship
The pi does respond to ssh over ethernet, but I don't know the username and password. I tried a few obvious ones but it didn't let me in. The r-pi default u/n "pi", p/w "raspberry" isn't it. Nor "nebulae", "qu-bit" or "password"...!

The pi doesn't show itself over wireless (assuming its a modern pi with wireless), though it might be possible to active that if you could get in. But it wouldn't surprise me if the OS in there is some optimised, minimal set-up with a weird shell.

But I am curious now. Hey QuBit, what's the ssh user+password to this thing? Yeah, I know, guarantee void if I go in, I suppose. No problem cool
Sync
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
The pi does respond to ssh over ethernet, but I don't know the username and password. I tried a few obvious ones but it didn't let me in. The r-pi default u/n "pi", p/w "raspberry" isn't it. Nor "nebulae", "qu-bit" or "password"...!


As I recall, the OS boot disk is the SD card that's in the PI slot-- you could mount it on another Linux system (if it's not an encrypted filesystem) and hack the password file from there, add your own user or whatever you want, I would think...

Just back up the SD card first and you can always go back to factory original...
Qu-Bit Electronix
The SSH Credentials are as follows:
username: alarm
password: alarm
naught101
Is there a location for community development of instrument files? Does Qu-Bit have a github/gitlab/bitbucket account? I just got a nebulae v2, and can think of a few tweaks that I'd like to try with the instruments, but I'd really like to be able to share them, as well as have the benefit of community review that hosted git services facilitate.
Squarewave Fellowship
naught101 wrote:
Is there a location for community development of instrument files? Does Qu-Bit have a github/gitlab/bitbucket account? I just got a nebulae v2, and can think of a few tweaks that I'd like to try with the instruments, but I'd really like to be able to share them, as well as have the benefit of community review that hosted git services facilitate.


I don't know, but I would like to get involved if you do anything. The modifications I want to do are:

* Pulse output per grain, instead of per loop.
*Swap window-alt (random grain mute) to be primary so it can be CV controlled.
* Change random pitch to being random chance of being pitch-shifted an octave, instead of pitch-shifting _all_ grains a random amount. I guess that can be done over CV though.

I've looked through the Csound a few times, I don't know the language and I haven't got far except to identify the pulse code.
mattcolville
mattcolville wrote:
Is there a way to get the Nebulae to reverse an audio signal live, with CV control? I want to be able to take a live signal and reverse an arbitrary chunk of it, for an arbitrary amount of time.

So far, reading the manual and experimenting, I was able to get it to *record* some live audio but the result was weird, it seemed like every time I sent a gate to the record input, it *added* the audio to a buffer, and I could hear old 'recordings' layering on top which was not what I expected. I might have been hearing things. grin

But I wasn't really able to tell it "grab the audio from the last N seconds and play it back at -X speed until I switch this gate off" which is what I'm going for. May be more of a Morphogene trick.


THE MAGNETO DOES WHAT I WANT!!

*ahem*

Sorry. The Magneto does this. Crazy happy to discover this just reading the manual.
yrn1
Not sure if someone mentioned it already, but the instr tester is available for download!!!

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/
Sync
yrn1 wrote:
Not sure if someone mentioned it already, but the instr tester is available for download!!!

http://www.qubitelectronix.com/alternate-instruments/



Just downloaded this to try-- seems that the main program references "ctcsound" which appears to be local but is not installed as a package, and there's no setup.py to do so-- running it according to the instructions PDF just results in an error (Windows 7, Python 2.7):

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nebulae.py", line 3, in <module>
import ctcsound
File "C:\CSound\Neb_Instr_Tester\instr_tester\ctcsound.py", line 31, in <module>
libcsound = cdll.csound64
File "C:\Anaconda\lib\ctypes\__init__.py", line 436, in __getattr__
dll = self._dlltype(name)
File "C:\Anaconda\lib\ctypes\__init__.py", line 366, in __init__
self._handle = _dlopen(self._name, mode)
WindowsError: [Error 126] The specified module could not be found


Anyone figured out how to set things up so that it'll run?
Sync
Fiddled with it and found out a little more--


1. you have to install CSound itself, which I found here:

https://csound.com/download.html


That gets you the csound library files, and I think you'll want to check "python extensions" when you install. And, you'd better be using Python 2.7 (which I already was, but it's in the process of being phased out).

I also found there is a ctcsound in the pip library, I installed that as well, but not sure it was necessary.

After that, I got a big new error:

./audio/
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "instr_tester/nebulae.py", line 37, in <module>
c_handle = ch.ControlHandler(c, orc_handle.numFiles(), configData) # Create handler for all csound comm.
File "C:\CSound\Neb_Instr_Tester\instr_tester\controlhandler.py", line 64, in __init__
self.channels.append(control.ControlChannel(self.csound, name, self.settings.load(name), "static"))
File "C:\CSound\Neb_Instr_Tester\instr_tester\control.py", line 480, in __init__
ctcsound.CSOUND_CONTROL_CHANNEL | ctcsound.CSOUND_INPUT_CHANNEL)
File "C:\CSound\Neb_Instr_Tester\instr_tester\ctcsound.py", line 1518, in channelPtr
return np.ctypeslib.as_array(p), err
File "C:\Anaconda\lib\site-packages\numpy\ctypeslib.py", line 519, in as_array
return array(obj, copy=False)
ValueError: '<P' is not a valid PEP 3118 buffer format string
0dBFS level = 32768.0
--Csound version 6.12 beta (double samples) Oct 24 2018
[commit: 037becccce26dc9ebc37198a75877e817431d978]
libsndfile-1.0.29pre1
rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
using callback interface
rtmidi: PortMIDI module enabled
graphics suppressed, ascii substituted
0dBFS level = 1.0
#i1 filelen "./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav" 1
#i2 filenchnls "./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav" 1
#i3 filesr "./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav" 1
#i4 filepeak "./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav" 0
#i6 filelen "./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav" 1
#i7 filenchnls "./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav" 1
#i8 filesr "./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav" 1
#i9 filepeak "./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav" 0
time resolution is 334.748 ns
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 45: diskinfo cannot open ./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 46: diskinfo cannot open ./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 47: diskinfo cannot open ./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 48: diskinfo cannot open ./audioMbira_Loop_4.wav: No Error.
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 50: diskinfo cannot open ./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 51: diskinfo cannot open ./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 52: diskinfo cannot open ./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav
INIT ERROR in instr 0 line 53: diskinfo cannot open ./audioSapo_Loop_6.wav: No Error.
header init errors


Looks like some of these file paths aren't being assembled correctly, as they don't have the second slash between ./audio and the filename...

In pretty deep now-- are we having fun yet?
Sync
Hmm... more to the saga...


Found that the previous error seemed to be related to a problematic version of numpy. I found this page:

https://github.com/toinsson/pyrealsense/issues/82

Which talks about something that broke as of Numpy 1.15. So I reverted to 1.14.6, and got past it, now the only problem I'm having is the filename paths to the audio files don't have the necessary slashes...


So I came up with a temporary kludge as a quick fix, I copied the files out of the audio subfolder and prepended the text "audio" to their names, and now it seems to be working...

So I now have these files in the Neb_Instr_Tester folder:

audioMbira_Loop_4.wav
audioSapo_Loop_6.wav


Aaaand it works.

Also, discovered there's a d_scanned.instr file in the instr folder-- is that the source to the Scanned module? Or a work-alike for Nebulae? I've been eyeing their new Scanned module, it's on my want list-- am wondering if this might tide me over until I save up enough for one...


Will poke around a little more and see if I can figure out what's up with the filename assembly-- probably a Linux/Windows issue...


UPDATE: the path assembly problem appears to be an issue in conductor.py and its use of the filehandler class from filehandler.py-- still researching it.
Sync
Found it.


This is a windows issue, but it won't hurt to apply the fix elsewhere, as it should be harmless on a Mac or Linux.


In the source file from instr_tester, "conductor.py" add the following line (the middle one in the three here):

Code:
       
      for i,f in enumerate(self.filehandler.files):
           f = f.replace("\\","/")
           #fsco_lines.append("f " + str(i + 1) + " 0 0 1 \"" + f + "\" 0 0 0\n")



The replace line will correct the backslash as returned by glob. Note that spacing is important in Python, the leading spaces (indents) on each line is significant and delineates loops, so make sure the indent for the new line matches the FOLLOWING lines, which are indented with respect to the "for" line.

The problem is that Python glob will return the windows backslash in pathnames. This would be fine, but elsewhere the returned string is being used in such a way that the backslash is being interpreted as an escape character. This fix edits the file path to the Linux/Mac slash which works in Windows just fine. There are probably other possible fixes, but this one seems to work and is a one-liner.
danishchairs
I'm working on a Mac. I haven't gotten it to work yet, but I have successfully installed csound, python, and numpy. For awhile, I was getting the following error (see last line in code below):
Code:
$ python instr_tester/nebulae.py a_granularlooper
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "instr_tester/nebulae.py", line 3, in <module>
    import ctcsound
  File "/not_shown/Neb_Instr_Tester/instr_tester/ctcsound.py", line 25, in <module>
    import numpy as np
ImportError: No module named numpy

After a while, I found that I needed to place the numpy directory into the same directory as "instr_tester".

Now it seems to run through something without many errors. I'm getting some cool graphs, but no sound and no idea yet how to make this useful. There's a line that says "graphics suppressed, ascii substituted". So I'm not getting the graphical interface yet.

I'll look more closely at your posts, @Sync, and see if I'm having some of the same issues that you've solved. Thanks!
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

Now it seems to run through something without many errors. I'm getting some cool graphs, but no sound and no idea yet how to make this useful. There's a line that says "graphics suppressed, ascii substituted". So I'm not getting the graphical interface yet.

I'll look more closely at your posts, @Sync, and see if I'm having some of the same issues that you've solved. Thanks!



It looks like I'm getting graphics suppressed as well-- though I do get a UI with some sliders. It looks like it's trying to draw graphs in my console window using ascii characters. I wasn't sure what I'm supposed to see so I thought that was the same as "fully working" but I hadn't noticed a "graphics suppressed" message-- that message may be there, it scrolls by quickly and I haven't examined all of it...
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
danishchairs wrote:

Now it seems to run through something without many errors. I'm getting some cool graphs, but no sound and no idea yet how to make this useful. There's a line that says "graphics suppressed, ascii substituted". So I'm not getting the graphical interface yet.

I'll look more closely at your posts, @Sync, and see if I'm having some of the same issues that you've solved. Thanks!



It looks like I'm getting graphics suppressed as well-- though I do get a UI with some sliders. It looks like it's trying to draw graphs in my console window using ascii characters. I wasn't sure what I'm supposed to see so I thought that was the same as "fully working" but I hadn't noticed a "graphics suppressed" message-- that message may be there, it scrolls by quickly and I haven't examined all of it...

I’m beginning to wonder if this needs to be run in an XWindows/X11 environment. (For the Mac, that will be XQuartz.)
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

I’m beginning to wonder if this needs to be run in an XWindows/X11 environment. (For the Mac, that will be XQuartz.)



I got a bit of an improvement by adding the following CSound option in nebulae.py:

Code:

c.setOption("--displays")


This enables a graphical display window instead of the ASCII version-- I added it at the top of nebulae.py at the end of the c.setOption lines.

The only problem with it, is it doesn't seem to close properly if you try to close the slider window before the graphic window-- close the graphic window first.
Qu-Bit Electronix
New firmware update is here!
v2.1.1

This version fixes the source switching glitch that was mentioned by some users.

Download here:
Neb v2.1.1

As always, you can revert to factory firmware by including a file on the flash drive with the name: "revert_to_factory_firmware"
This file must not have an extension. You can create this file yourself or download one from our website on the firmware page.
To remove the extension on most operating systems, you can rename the file and delete the extension from the name.

In other news we will be creating a github organization to house all future firmware development, and alternate instrument files.
We will also be publishing a new developer's guide with more info and resources on hacking the module!
Squarewave Fellowship
Thank you QuBit. Interested in a github area, I'd like to contribute!

And thanks Sync, I'm just looking at the code now. The ASCII tables are fascinating... I'm also getting some strange tracebacks, but I'll wait until QuBit's github is up to post what I'm doing. Or trying to do.
yrn1
This is a great initiative! An open, documented and hackable module with support from the manufacturer! Brilliant! Thank you!
Squarewave Fellowship
Sry QuBit, v2.1.1 issue: confused

Density range in 2.1.1 only goes from about 4 Hz to audio range (about four grains a second is now minimum density). Maximum appears to be hit around 2 o'clock, with no further graining beyond that.

Grains used to be a few seconds long at full anti-clockwise, and have more control towards maximum rather than maxing out early.

Love from your favourite beta tester love
muffmuffmuff
And again, awesome news!!
Thank you, Qu-Bit.

Excite to try the instrument tester and to develop my own instruments ...
Qu-Bit Electronix
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Sry QuBit, v2.1.1 issue: confused

Density range in 2.1.1 only goes from about 4 Hz to audio range (about four grains a second is now minimum density). Maximum appears to be hit around 2 o'clock, with no further graining beyond that.

Grains used to be a few seconds long at full anti-clockwise, and have more control towards maximum rather than maxing out early.

Love from your favourite beta tester love


It seems like some of your alternate grain settings might be turned on.
Can you hold source and press the pitch encoder to reset them?

Let me know if that sets grain rate back to normal.
We just tested it on our end, and it was the same as before.
Squarewave Fellowship
OK, confused.

I shift-pitch-clicked, I kind of do that all the time as habit, and it was the first thing that I thought was wrong.... Also rebooted, re-recorded, changed sources. I can't think of any alt-functions that would constrict the density range. Am I being really dozy? I can't replicate it but when it happened (for half an hour as I puzzled over it) I had recorded and saved two loops, then went back to files, refreshed files. No patching. It was as if a constant +2V was coming in to the density CV.

Rolled back and reinstalled, and it is working as expected. Sorry if it is a false alarm. I'll keep trying to replicate it. If only for my own sanity.
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
I’m beginning to wonder if this needs to be run in an XWindows/X11 environment. (For the Mac, that will be XQuartz.)

I got a bit of an improvement by adding the following CSound option in nebulae.py:
Code:
c.setOption("--displays")

This enables a graphical display window instead of the ASCII version-- I added it at the top of nebulae.py at the end of the c.setOption lines.

Thanks! With the addition of that line of code, I also get the graphical window. I still don’t get a representation of the Neb2 front panel, like on the opening page of the documentation.

So far, it doesn’t seem to matter whether I use an XWindows environment or just the terminal.
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

Thanks! With the addition of that line of code, I also get the graphical window. I still don’t get a representation of the Neb2 front panel, like on the opening page of the documentation.

So far, it doesn’t seem to matter whether I use an XWindows environment or just the terminal.


Odd, I get two windows, one which as a set of basic sliders labelled like the front panel of the Nebulae V2-- and a second one with the waveform graphs. The slider window adjusts parameters pretty much like the physical front panel, functionally at least. Are you not even seeing that?

I assume you're talking about the opening page of the documentation PDF included in the instrument tester zip file-- which shows a Mac style window with the kind of sliders I'm talking about-- on the PC I get pretty much the same thing...


As I think I mentioned, I did install the ctcsound package using Python's PIP utility from the default Python online library. Not sure if that was necessary or if it made any difference-- that might be worth a try if you haven't...

pip install ctcsound

I think that was the command that did it...
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
danishchairs wrote:

Thanks! With the addition of that line of code, I also get the graphical window. I still don’t get a representation of the Neb2 front panel, like on the opening page of the documentation.

So far, it doesn’t seem to matter whether I use an XWindows environment or just the terminal.


Odd, I get two windows, one which as a set of basic sliders labelled like the front panel of the Nebulae V2-- and a second one with the waveform graphs. The slider window adjusts parameters pretty much like the physical front panel, functionally at least. Are you not even seeing that?

That's right, I'm not seeing the window with the sliders.

Sync wrote:
I assume you're talking about the opening page of the documentation PDF included in the instrument tester zip file-- which shows a Mac style window with the kind of sliders I'm talking about-- on the PC I get pretty much the same thing...

Yes, correct. That's the page I was referring to. I'm not (yet) getting that window.

Sync wrote:
As I think I mentioned, I did install the ctcsound package using Python's PIP utility from the default Python online library. Not sure if that was necessary or if it made any difference-- that might be worth a try if you haven't...

pip install ctcsound

I think that was the command that did it...

I hadn't done that specifically. However, I just checked now, and it seems like the file that's downloadable is the same file that QuBit supplies in the "instr_tester" folder. So, I agree with you that it may not (or shouldn't be) necessary to download and install that file.

For you Mac users: ctcsound is not downloadable via Homebrew. I found it at:
https://pypi.org/project/ctcsound/#files

So, Sync, while I keep trying to get to the starting gate with this, are you actually able to use the Inst Tester to modify or test any csound code that is (or might be) applicable to the Neb2 module?
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

So, Sync, while I keep trying to get to the starting gate with this, are you actually able to use the Inst Tester to modify or test any csound code that is (or might be) applicable to the Neb2 module?



Hmm-- a good question--

Just tried to copy a couple of the instr files from the tester package as is onto the root of the USB drive and try them on the Nebulae V2, but I can't get either of them to load. I long push the Speed knob and it goes into the instr selector, and selecting the user bank I can see two of the buttons are illuminated indicating it knows the two I put there are there, but if I pick one and then push the Speed button again to get it to load, it cycles at least once, sometimes several times, sometimes indefinately, and either just keeps cycling forever or eventually reverts to the default factory instrument.

The two files I tried was the synth file, which is a very simple instr file, and the scanned file, which I edited to insert the paths to the matrix files for the Nebulae hardware instead of the instrument tester, as suggested by the comments in the file. I also tried copying the nebconfig section from the granularizer instr file to the top of the scanned file, as it didn't have a nebconfig section and I thought it might be needing one. So far I've got no files that will load from the user instr bank, period.

So independent of the instr tester (which works- runs the instr files), I can't get the physical hardware to successfully load the supplied instr files I've tried. So at this point, the instr tester is working for me, but the Nebulae V2 is not. And I just upgraded to the V2.1.1 firmware in the Nebulae, which otherwise loads the various factory instr files just fine.

But the synth file works fine in the instr tester.
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
... But the synth file works fine in the instr tester.

Thanks again! Do you get sound while you're using the instr tester, and can you change that sound by using the sliders in the interface window?

PS - I did successfully install ctcsound via pip, but it hasn't made any difference yet.
Sync
danishchairs wrote:
Sync wrote:
... But the synth file works fine in the instr tester.

Thanks again! Do you get sound while you're using the instr tester, and can you change that sound by using the sliders in the interface window?




Yes and yes.
Gyroscope
A little bit of a beginner's question: I succeeded in saving the buffer last night (at least according to the lights that blinked and flashed when I held down File and pressed Freeze). I turned off my case and opened it right after to see if the procedure had really worked. I couldn't find the saved buffer. Anybody knows how to retrieve it?
danishchairs
Gyroscope wrote:
A little bit of a beginner's question: I succeeded in saving the buffer last night (at least according to the lights that blinked and flashed when I held down File and pressed Freeze). I turned off my case and opened it right after to see if the procedure had really worked. I couldn't find the saved buffer. Anybody knows how to retrieve it?

In general, tapping the File button should move from one file to the next one.

Assuming:
a) you were using the USB flash drive that came with your Neb 2;
b) you hadn't erased any of the files that came on that drive;
c) you recorded the buffer successfully to the drive;

Then your new file should be located after the last default file. Tap the File button till it starts playing.

Remember: to play files from the drive, Source must be set to File Source (not Live Source).
yrn1
Did anyone ever try to run a SuperCollider patch? Any pointers on how to do this? I had a quick browse through the disk image and there seems to be no trace of anything SC related in there...
Gyroscope
danishchairs wrote:
Gyroscope wrote:
A little bit of a beginner's question: I succeeded in saving the buffer last night (at least according to the lights that blinked and flashed when I held down File and pressed Freeze). I turned off my case and opened it right after to see if the procedure had really worked. I couldn't find the saved buffer. Anybody knows how to retrieve it?

In general, tapping the File button should move from one file to the next one.

Assuming:
a) you were using the USB flash drive that came with your Neb 2;
b) you hadn't erased any of the files that came on that drive;
c) you recorded the buffer successfully to the drive;

Then your new file should be located after the last default file. Tap the File button till it starts playing.

Remember: to play files from the drive, Source must be set to File Source (not Live Source).


Thanks, I'll try that tonight. I did erase all of the samples that Qu-Bit had furnished though.
Funky40
need feedback:
(refering to blend knob CCW, which does not play a role anyway
and to the common stock main mode: granular or however its called)


i have a bit a hardtime with the "size" parameter.
It totally feels like its NOT a "Size" of the window adjustment BUT a "sample-end" parameter or so.
......but then, also not exactly....... meh


i definitly can´t just set a small "window-size" and then scrub thru the entire file just by turning the "start" Knob.
There is a interaction of how the "start" knob behaves vs. the setting of the "size" knob.

can somebody help me out how *exactly* that "size" parameter is setup ?
well, much likely its just that: "sample-end", .......but i thought i should ask wink
JES
Just a quick public thanks to Qu_bit for the quick patch on the update and for this thread, which means I have a place to check before I update....
jfprimeau
Just got the Neb2 this week, and I must say I am impressed with the sound quality from that module! Lots of fun loading custom orchestral samples and then mangling them to create weird beautiful music. Can't wait to customize the provided instruments when I get a chance. They sound great as they are, but they are just begging to be augmented with more features as not all knobs/secondary functions are used at the moment. The delay/reverb effect sounds quite good, above my expectations.

One minor think i noticed is that if you power cycle your case too fast, the neb will be stuck in a loop when it restarts reloading forever. Just make sure you wait like 5 seconds between turning off and then on your system to avoid that problem.
Sync
Has anyone as of yet been able to get the Nebulae V2 hardware to successfully load an *.instr file from the USB stick? For me it either tries a few times and then reverts to the default instrument, or ends up in an endless retry loop. It's finding the files, as I can select a user one to load when it's on the stick, but I can't get it to run them. I'm using the latest v2.1.1 firmware and the *.instr files from the instr tester. And the files work fine in the tester.
tomnicholson
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
New firmware update is here!
v2.1.1


Thanks Qu-bit smile The octave increment stepping is a great feature and being able to save the buffer takes it to another level!
j_dowe
jfprimeau wrote:
... Lots of fun loading custom orchestral samples and then mangling them to create weird beautiful music.


I'd love to hear this!
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
Has anyone as of yet been able to get the Nebulae V2 hardware to successfully load an *.instr file from the USB stick? For me it either tries a few times and then reverts to the default instrument, or ends up in an endless retry loop. It's finding the files, as I can select a user one to load when it's on the stick, but I can't get it to run them. I'm using the latest v2.1.1 firmware and the *.instr files from the instr tester. And the files work fine in the tester.

I’ve had similar problems to the ones you described. But I have had some success in getting .instr files to load from the USB stick and then be able to select and use them from the user bank. (I’m using the latest firmware, too.)

Remember to change to the user bank after loading your file. From the Neb2 manual:
Quote:
The Speed LEDs will indicate whether you’re selecting from the factory bank of instrument files or the user bank.
You can change the bank by rotating the speed encoder.
If the Negative Speed LED is illuminated, the user bank of .instr files is selected.
If both Speed LEDs are illuminated, the factory bank of .instr files is selected.
If the Positive Speed LED is illuminated, the user bank of Pure Data files selected.

I haven’t been able to get the instr tester to work yet. The files that I’ve been working on are made using a simple text editor.

(edited for clarity.)
Zymos
So, saving the buffer....working for anyone?
I've tried several times then change the source back to the USB stick, but there is no new recording that I can find.
bago
Saving the buffer works for me. I can select the recording directly from the Nebulae by stepping through the files and when I look at the usb-stick with a PC there is the recorded file in the root directory. I first had problems updating the Nebulae and Andrew from QuBit was very helpful and made sure I get it right. Perhaps it‘s best to ask him directly through QuBit support if your unit still doesn‘t save the buffer after updating.
Squarewave Fellowship
Zymos wrote:
So, saving the buffer....working for anyone?
I've tried several times then change the source back to the USB stick, but there is no new recording that I can find.


Have you refreshed the USB files when you go back to source from USB, by pressing "file + source" (short press) and waiting for the aqua LEDs?
Zymos
Aha, good call. thumbs up
exper
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.
Gyroscope
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Nope, haven't experienced that with the old or new firmware.

For Zymos, I also had problems saving the buffer. Turns out my USB stick that came with the module wasn't functioning properly. I used another one and everything works now.

Got to say thanks to Andrew from Qu-Bit. Really helpful and patient!
ddoyen
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.
needto
ddoyen wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.


Had this happen a couple times as well, only a reboot helps.
exper
needto wrote:
ddoyen wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.


Had this happen a couple times as well, only a reboot helps.


Well, glad it’s not just me I suppose.

@Qu-Bit Electronix - can this be looked into? smile
Cortega
exper wrote:
needto wrote:
ddoyen wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.


Had this happen a couple times as well, only a reboot helps.


Well, glad it’s not just me I suppose.

@Qu-Bit Electronix - can this be looked into? smile


Jeez....drop them a Email with a Bug Report over the Qubit Website, they are watching here but not constantly, and it is always with any Modular Manufacter the best way.
exper
Of course. But silly me to check and see if anyone else was having the same issue first, and then mentioning it to QuBit, since they are active in the thread... thumbs up
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

Remember to change to the user bank after loading your file. From the Neb2 manual:
Quote:
The Speed LEDs will indicate whether you’re selecting from the factory bank of instrument files or the user bank.
You can change the bank by rotating the speed encoder.
If the Negative Speed LED is illuminated, the user bank of .instr files is selected.
If both Speed LEDs are illuminated, the factory bank of .instr files is selected.
If the Positive Speed LED is illuminated, the user bank of Pure Data files selected.



I've tried this-- that's how I've selected the instr files, but they don't load-- retries once or twice then reverts to the default factory instrument, or retry loops forever-- one or the other, no success at all in running any of them.
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
Remember to change to the user bank after loading your file. ...

I've tried this-- that's how I've selected the instr files, but they don't load-- retries once or twice then reverts to the default factory instrument, or retry loops forever-- one or the other, no success at all in running any of them.

Sorry, that sounds frustrating. Any chance the instr file is the problem?

I’m having a different problem with a similar symptom. I can install my new instr file into the user bank, and I can switch to it and use it. However, if I shut off the Neb2 before going back to the factory bank of instr files, then my Neb2 hangs on the next startup. It loops forever trying to start up. The only solution I’ve found so far is to reinstall the firmware file again.
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

Sorry, that sounds frustrating. Any chance the instr file is the problem?

I’m having a different problem with a similar symptom. I can install my new instr file into the user bank, and I can switch to it and use it. However, if I shut off the Neb2 before going back to the factory bank of instr files, then my Neb2 hangs on the next startup. It loops forever trying to start up. The only solution I’ve found so far is to reinstall the firmware file again.


Wow-- that sounds pretty frustrating too. Looks like there's still a few glitches in the product.

With regards to the instr file being the problem, what I tried were the ones supplied with the instr tester-- and I tried all of them. If you have one known to work and you can make it available somehow (add as an attachment in this forum?), I could try it-- also would see if I get the same result as you on shutoff...
Qu-Bit Electronix
exper wrote:
needto wrote:
ddoyen wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.


Had this happen a couple times as well, only a reboot helps.


Well, glad it’s not just me I suppose.

@Qu-Bit Electronix - can this be looked into? smile


This is the first time that we have heard of anything like this.

Is it possible that your density control was all the way down?
If the grain size is too large, it will be silent for long periods of time in between grains which can make the unit seem unresponsive.

If it happens again and your density setting is not the reason, please send a video to our support email along with your neb_log.txt:
support [at] qubitelectronix.com
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
danishchairs wrote:
Sorry, that sounds frustrating. Any chance the instr file is the problem? ...

With regards to the instr file being the problem, what I tried were the ones supplied with the instr tester-- and I tried all of them. ...

I had a couple of thoughts, but neither panned out:

a) I wondered if the files you were using needed to be renamed (so they weren't the same as the ones in the factory bank). But I tried loading one from the "Neb_Instr_Tester" folder with the same name (a_granularlooper.instr) and it loaded and played fine from the user bank on my Neb2. So that isn't it.

b) I compared the "a_granularlooper.instr" file from the "Neb_Instr_Tester" folder to the same file that gets loaded onto the module. The one that gets loaded into the factory bank has nearly 200 more lines of Csound code. So, I thought that might be a problem. But when I installed the shorter one, it loaded and played fine. A bunch of testing but no success to report.

Sync wrote:
If you have one known to work and you can make it available somehow (add as an attachment in this forum?), I could try it-- also would see if I get the same result as you on shutoff...

I've been learning and modifying the "a_granularlooper.instr" file. I've been changing just a bit of code on how the Size and Speed controllers work. I have had some success, though I don't know if the changes being made are actually improving the way the module works. (It's a draft, a work in progress.) One thing to note: when I use my file, the reset light does not blink at the end of each loop like it does when playing the original.

Edit: The attachment I originally uploaded was only used by one person to test. I have deleted the attachment from this post while I am improving the code.
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

I had a couple of thoughts, but neither panned out:

a) I wondered if the files you were using needed to be renamed (so they weren't the same as the ones in the factory bank). But I tried loading one from the "Neb_Instr_Tester" folder with the same name (a_granularlooper.instr) and it loaded and played fine from the user bank on my Neb2. So that isn't it.

b) I compared the "a_granularlooper.instr" file from the "Neb_Instr_Tester" folder to the same file that gets loaded onto the module. The one that gets loaded into the factory bank has nearly 200 more lines of Csound code. So, I thought that might be a problem. But when I installed the shorter one, it loaded and played fine. A bunch of testing but no success to report.

I've been learning and modifying the "a_granularlooper.instr" file. I've been changing just a bit of code on how the Size and Speed controllers work. I have had some success, though I don't know if the changes being made are actually improving the way the module works. (It's a draft, a work in progress.) One thing to note: when I use my file, the reset light does not blink at the end of each loop like it does when playing the original.

The name of the file is "newsize.instr". It looks like it needs to be zipped before attaching to this post.


Well, that file seems to work, thanks. Progress of some kind at least. My first thought is maybe because I'm working on windows something in the process is changing file line endings to Windows style-- but I checked your file and it has Windows style line endings, so that's not it.

Will have to play around a little more-- now that I've got at least *something* that will load, I'll see if I can figure out why it's the only thing...
Sync
So perusing the newsize.instr that's working, I see that there's a commented out printf statement...

So I tried putting a similar one in a spot in the file that seems would be sure to be executed, and reloaded the file-- file still works. But, I'm not seeing my "hello world" written to the USB drive anywhere-- it would sure be useful to be able to get at the log of what these printfs are doing for diagnostic purposes-- I wonder if there's a way?

I do see a neb_log.txt file on the USB that seems to have stuff logged to it on startup, or at some point-- a lot of entries that look like this:

Code:
Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02: 28:47 +0000 --- VERSION, v2_1_1
Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02: 28:47 +0000 --- VERSION_DATE, 2/26/2019
CPU temp=59.0'C
GPU temp=59.1'C
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          973Mi        48Mi       712Mi       0.0Ki       211Mi       908Mi
Swap:            0B          0B          0B



It'd be nice if printf or something else could be used to write to this log from the instr file...
Sync
One problem I'm seeing is that if you have a file that's not loading, it remembers that you're trying to load it so powering off wont' reset to the factory default instr. Even deleting all the instr files on the USB drive won't cause it to revert to the default instrument. Looks like the only way to fix it at this point is a firmware reinstall operation.
Sync
When it reboots, it ought to be re-scanning the USB drive for what instr files there are. AFTER I restored with a firmware re-install, even though I had deleted all the instr files on the drive, a long press on the Speed knob and a select of the user bank showed two lights on as if there were two instruments there when there were in fact, none.
mannerly-rice
Funky40 wrote:
need feedback:
(refering to blend knob CCW, which does not play a role anyway
and to the common stock main mode: granular or however its called)


i have a bit a hardtime with the "size" parameter.
It totally feels like its NOT a "Size" of the window adjustment BUT a "sample-end" parameter or so.
......but then, also not exactly....... meh


i definitly can´t just set a small "window-size" and then scrub thru the entire file just by turning the "start" Knob.
There is a interaction of how the "start" knob behaves vs. the setting of the "size" knob.

can somebody help me out how *exactly* that "size" parameter is setup ?
well, much likely its just that: "sample-end", .......but i thought i should ask wink


the same here.... i wondered about this the other day after upgrading to 2.1.1!

I dont know if was that way before, but never noticed it. does anybody notice a difference using an earlier version?
Sin_Phi
Qu-Bit Electronix wrote:
exper wrote:
needto wrote:
ddoyen wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone experiencing the audio suddenly dropping out for no reason? Twice over the weekend, my Nebulae 2 was running fine and then it went silent. This was after installing the latest update.


Yes. This actually has happened to me a few times but I think it may have happened once before I updated too. The buttons and encoders still respond but there is no sound even when I try switching files and sources.


Had this happen a couple times as well, only a reboot helps.


Well, glad it’s not just me I suppose.

@Qu-Bit Electronix - can this be looked into? smile


This is the first time that we have heard of anything like this.

Is it possible that your density control was all the way down?
If the grain size is too large, it will be silent for long periods of time in between grains which can make the unit seem unresponsive.

If it happens again and your density setting is not the reason, please send a video to our support email along with your neb_log.txt:
support [at] qubitelectronix.com


I have had this happen with the world of echo instrument in v2.1. Restart brought it back working in world of echo. Have only had it happen once and do not know how to reproduce the issue. The rgb leds appeared to be responsive, didn't try changing instruments or anything. Not sure what DAC/ADC the Nebulae is using, but maybe something going wrong with i2s?
Funky40
mannerly-rice wrote:

I dont know if was that way before, but never noticed it. does anybody notice a difference using an earlier version?

I don´t think it was anything update related.
I think i recognised it earlier but just ignored it and made music instead vs. breaking my head by trying to understand what i do ....or the module, haha wink


But yes, "That" question is still open !
and its strange that nobody ever chimmed in so far,
even if its just to tell me/us that the behave is totally normal for a "end" parameter.
.......while the module itself suggests it should be a "lenght" ( well, faceplate says: size) parameter
( to me is "lenght" and "size" in this context the same ( since we deal with a looping file), correct me anybody if i´m wrong.)
But ok, could just be a unlucky wording, "size" been meant for "sample-size/lenght" by looking at the sample as there´s no start position adjustment available) .
...nevertheless, even then, the whole "size" parameter feels strange.
inconsistent.......



its not complaining here, *i just would like to understand* the logic how its working, especially when the start parameter is adjusted towards the size parameter and then crossing it ( start beeing then later than size) ( you know what i mean, right ? wink )
danishchairs
Sync wrote:
One problem I'm seeing is that if you have a file that's not loading, it remembers that you're trying to load it so powering off wont' reset to the factory default instr. Even deleting all the instr files on the USB drive won't cause it to revert to the default instrument. Looks like the only way to fix it at this point is a firmware reinstall operation.

That mirrors my experience, too. I think the remembering part is by design, so that the Neb2 boots back into the last used instrument.

My experience includes the Neb2 unable to successfully boot up if I had powered it off while it was using an instrument from the user bank. (Everything is fine if I switch to an instrument in the factory bank before powering off.)

BTW, I've sent Qu-Bit a note about this. They responded, asking for my instrument file and the "neb_log.txt" file, which I sent to them. I look forward to hearing from them.

Sync wrote:
When it reboots, it ought to be re-scanning the USB drive for what instr files there are. AFTER I restored with a firmware re-install, even though I had deleted all the instr files on the drive, a long press on the Speed knob and a select of the user bank showed two lights on as if there were two instruments there when there were in fact, none.

I'm not sure if my experience was the same. At some point, I had loaded 2 instrument files into the user bank (the one I modified, and a copy of the original "a_granulalooper.instr" file). The next time I reinstalled the firmware, I put only one instr file on the root directory of the flash drive. After it installed, I had only that one file in the user bank.

But then this evening, I tried reinstalling the firmware with no instr files on the flash drive. After the reinstallation and a reboot, there was still one file in the user bank. (I'm confused about how one deletes files from the user bank.)
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
mannerly-rice wrote:

I dont know if was that way before, but never noticed it. does anybody notice a difference using an earlier version?

I don´t think it was anything update related.
I think i recognised it earlier but just ignored it and made music instead vs. breaking my head by trying to understand what i do ....or the module, haha wink


But yes, "That" question is still open !
and its strange that nobody ever chimmed in so far,
even if its just to tell me/us that the behave is totally normal for a "end" parameter.
.......while the module itself suggests it should be a "lenght" ( well, faceplate says: size) parameter
( to me is "lenght" and "size" in this context the same ( since we deal with a looping file), correct me anybody if i´m wrong.)
But ok, could just be a unlucky wording, "size" been meant for "sample-size/lenght" by looking at the sample as there´s no start position adjustment available) .
...nevertheless, even then, the whole "size" parameter feels strange.
inconsistent.......

its not complaining here, *i just would like to understand* the logic how its working, especially when the start parameter is adjusted towards the size parameter and then crossing it ( start beeing then later than size) ( you know what i mean, right ? wink )

I've noticed the issue with the Size control, too, and I've been puzzled by it as well. After your post a few days ago Funky40, I started working on modifying the code of the "a_granularlooper.instr" file to see if I could get the Size control to disassociate itself from the Start control. I've had some success, but at a cost:

a) When the new code is running, the reset light doesn't blink at the end/restart of the loop;
b) If the module is powered off while the new instrument is loaded from the user bank, the Neb2 won't successfully boot up the next time it's started.

The only way I've found to recover from this second problem is to reinstall the firmware. I've written to Qu-Bit and they're investigating.
mannerly-rice
danishchairs wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
mannerly-rice wrote:

I dont know if was that way before, but never noticed it. does anybody notice a difference using an earlier version?

I don´t think it was anything update related.
I think i recognised it earlier but just ignored it and made music instead vs. breaking my head by trying to understand what i do ....or the module, haha wink


But yes, "That" question is still open !
and its strange that nobody ever chimmed in so far,
even if its just to tell me/us that the behave is totally normal for a "end" parameter.
.......while the module itself suggests it should be a "lenght" ( well, faceplate says: size) parameter
( to me is "lenght" and "size" in this context the same ( since we deal with a looping file), correct me anybody if i´m wrong.)
But ok, could just be a unlucky wording, "size" been meant for "sample-size/lenght" by looking at the sample as there´s no start position adjustment available) .
...nevertheless, even then, the whole "size" parameter feels strange.
inconsistent.......

its not complaining here, *i just would like to understand* the logic how its working, especially when the start parameter is adjusted towards the size parameter and then crossing it ( start beeing then later than size) ( you know what i mean, right ? wink )

I've noticed the issue with the Size control, too, and I've been puzzled by it as well. After your post a few days ago Funky40, I started working on modifying the code of the "a_granularlooper.instr" file to see if I could get the Size control to disassociate itself from the Start control. I've had some success, but at a cost:

a) When the new code is running, the reset light doesn't blink at the end/restart of the loop;
b) If the module is powered off while the new instrument is loaded from the user bank, the Neb2 won't successfully boot up the next time it's started.

The only way I've found to recover from this second problem is to reinstall the firmware. I've written to Qu-Bit and they're investigating.


Thanks, sounds interesting! both the fact that they are looking into this and that you have made some modifications... would you care to share them? Although i never had any looks at .instr files. Are those csound files?
Funky40
Thank You danishchairs !
your feedback and finally all your power you send into this thread is very welcome !



i looked today again into the start-size "issue".
I felt like there is some "recovery time" ( delay in processing the data) when the start position goes towards the "size" positions and crossing it.
( pot position vs. pot position)


usually i´m wiggling this parameter fast when doing by hand.
i found it helps to do some slow wiggling to get a better feel what happens.
again: its all about the small loop size when the knob positions come close.
I´m not shure, mabye its even reverting the playback direction.
I think the Modcan CV sampler ( or however it was called) had that behave of reverting the play direction.
......there´s definitly something to look into.
saying this, well aware that sometimes "small glitches" are part of the charme, and sometimes ironing those out is just a compromise or even a stepp backwards. thus, ......


i just would like to understand the behave *excatly* wink ........with greetings @ Qu-Bit HQ wink
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

But then this evening, I tried reinstalling the firmware with no instr files on the flash drive. After the reinstallation and a reboot, there was still one file in the user bank. (I'm confused about how one deletes files from the user bank.)


Yeah, it looks like this is only an issue if there are NO instr files when there were some last time it booted, and an update is done. After it comes back up, it seems to still think the deleted files are still there, at least from the standpoint of the selector-- clearly if you select one of them it'll fail to load due to the file not being present. If there's a file there, it seems to find it and figure out what's going on, even if you deleted one file when there were two, and then re-did the update. I suspect the cache modification logic is only engaged when it finds instr files on the USB, when it doesn't find any it all, it fails to update it's cached config of what it thinks is out there.

But if it's going to try to remember what to load up on a restart, maybe it should verify the file exists and revert to the default if it doesn't? Seems kind of lame to have to re-install the firmware in order to get past a deleted/bad instr file. And maybe having a reboot-retry counter that reverts to the default when it can't load the file after some number of times-- an endless loop means there's no point you can power off that is safe from USB access interruption that can cause the drive to fail verify-- half of the time I put the stick into Windows, it wants to do a scan of the drive for problems-- I've yet to have it find any, but it doesn't do that when a powerdown is clean, only when I have to powerdown when it's in an endless retry loop (maybe not EVERY time it's in that loop, but often).

It definitely needs some work, but for the most part I like where it's going-- once some of these kinks get worked out of it, looks like it'll be awesome.
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
Thank You danishchairs !
your feedback and finally all your power you send into this thread is very welcome !
Thank you! Lotsa Love

Funky40 wrote:
i looked today again into the start-size "issue".
I felt like there is some "recovery time" ( delay in processing the data) when the start position goes towards the "size" positions and crossing it.
( pot position vs. pot position) ...

i just would like to understand the behave *excatly* wink ...

OK, here are my thoughts about the programming of Size in the Neb2 and two ideas for changing the way it works.

——
Not-so-geeky summary: The length of the loop being played has been coded to respond to both the Size and the Start knobs (and their CV inputs) in a way that makes it difficult to predict or precisely control.
——

For simplicity's sake, let's ignore the CV inputs and just look at the Start and Size knobs. Both knobs go from 0 (at full CCW) to 1 (at full CW). Also, time is reported in seconds (instead of minutes or milliseconds) to make the reading and calculations easier.

Let’s make up some names for the various parts of the code:

loop” refers to the audio we’re going to work with (from a file or the buffer).
loopFullLength” is the number of seconds of the entire loop, regardless of how much of it gets played.
loopStart” is the number of seconds of the beginning of the loop that will be skipped.
loopPartialLength” is loopFullLength minus loopStart.
calculateSize” is loopFullLength multiplied by the value of the Size knob. *
loopSize” is the number of seconds (of the loop) to be played.

——
First, Qu-Bit figures out the loopFullLength in seconds.

Then they multiply loopFullLength by the value of the Start knob (0 at full CCW, 1 at full CW). That gives us loopStart.

They calculate loopSize by multiplying loopPartialLength by the value of the Size knob. *

Always using loopPartialLength in this way is what creates the problem - a variable and unpredictable loopSize. Changing the Start knob always has an effect on loopSize and the speed at which the loop resets.

——
My code tests for the need to associate loopPartialLength with loopSize. It starts by figuring calculateSize, and then compares the values of calculateSize and loopPartialLength.

a) When calculateSize is shorter/smaller than loopPartialLength, loopSize is set to calculateSize. This is the situation much of the time, and creates a loopSize unaffected by changes to the Start knob.

b) When calculateSize is longer/larger than loopPartialLength, loopSize is set to loopPartialLength. This prevents loopSize from being larger/longer than loopPartialLength. In this case, loopSize will sometimes be affected by the Start knob.

If case b) was not coded, then loopSize would always be set to calculateSize. In this case, whenever calculateSize was longer/larger than loopPartialLength, the audio would play from loopStart to the end of the loop, jump back to the beginning of the loop and play from there, until loopSize had elapsed. This might be the preferred option.

——
Note: The code changes described above are minuscule compared to the code that Qu-Bit has written for the Neb2.

In the real world, we will need to include the CV inputs and the way they interact with the Start and Size knobs. (Details are in the Neb2 manual.)

*It’s actually the square of the value of the Size knob. This gives the Size knob an exponential curve, making it easier to dial in small changes when the loopSize is small.

<Edited for clarity>
Funky40
haha, now that was a read.
I allways thought its supersimple to programm that part of such thing, haha
( NO clue about programming)

ok, danishchairs , you gave me some insight how it looks for a programmer.........

Guinness ftw!
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
haha, now that was a read.
I allways thought its supersimple to programm that part of such thing, haha
( NO clue about programming)

ok, danishchairs , you gave me some insight how it looks for a programmer.........

Guinness ftw!

I hope it will make enough sense to get an idea of how the Start and Size controls are interacting.

I sent a link to the post to Andrew at Qu-Bit. Maybe he can say why they programmed it the way they did. (Or maybe it works the way he and others want it to work. hmmm..... )

After some kinks get worked out, perhaps this code can become a viable alternative to the default behavior.
Sync
danishchairs wrote:

I hope it will make enough sense to get an idea of how the Start and Size controls are interacting.

I sent a link to the post to Andrew at Qu-Bit. Maybe he can say why they programmed it the way they did. (Or maybe it works the way he and others want it to work. hmmm..... )

After some kinks get worked out, perhaps this code can become a viable alternative to the default behavior.


Good job. One question is what should happen at the end of the buffer. As I understand it, with your adjustment, size will remain fixed unless there's not enough sample left in the buffer from the start point for it to fit. In that case, the size will be what remains in the buffer. Size is the smaller of the two-- the size set by the size knob, and what's remaining to play to the end of the buffer.

And that raises a couple of additional questions. What if the start point is effectively, all the way at the end of the buffer? Will it be able to play "nothing" when the size has shrunk down to zero? I would think so, and presume it handles that now with the original code.

What happens when the playback is in-process while things are changing? Presumably you won't want to change the current playback point in the buffer which would cause an extra jump in the audio-- and I also presume you won't want to wait until the playback point hits the end of the size before you re-evaluate the start and size values-- that needs to work on the fly, while playback is in process...

Or maybe, if the start point changes past the current play point, the playback point should jump ahead to immediately track it?

I'm thinking-- if the current playback point is already past the size end, it should reset to the current start point. If the current playback point is before the current start point, it could just keep playing forward, which would produce a bit of a lag until the playback catches up with the changed start point-- but without sudden audio effects and possibly a click. Either that, or it should track the start point immediately. But I'd think the latter would introduce a lot of artifacts if the new "splice" doesn't mate up well and causes a click.

And that raises yet another question-- what does the code do now, if anything, to handle a splice glitch-- there are those windowing/overlap parameters, eh? I would think in order to implement that, it needs to have a heads up as to when it's nearing the point where it wants to change the playback point-- advance notice if you will, so it can start the windowing & overlap process...
windspirit
As far as I can tell the grains will not wrap around over the end of the sample, so if you are playing grains toward the end of the sample they will all start to smoosh together causing it to decrease the size of the grains. I would love it if the grain size was constant even when the sample start parameter was close to full because sometimes I will be scrubbing the sample and some of the AM tones from the window get really obvious towards the end of the loop.
mannerly-rice
danishchairs wrote:

OK, here are my thoughts about the programming of Size in the Neb2 and two ideas for changing the way it works.

Thanks for this structured summary!

Sync wrote:

What if the start point is effectively, all the way at the end of the buffer? Will it be able to play "nothing" when the size has shrunk down to zero? I would think so, and presume it handles that now with the original code.

windspirit wrote:

As far as I can tell the grains will not wrap around over the end of the sample, so if you are playing grains toward the end of the sample they will all start to smoosh together causing it to decrease the size of the grains. I would love it if the grain size was constant even when the sample start parameter was close to full because sometimes I will be scrubbing the sample and some of the AM tones from the window get really obvious towards the end of the loop.


I think the grains wrap around (the phase vocoder mode wont, though). So when you dial the start up to the end of the loop, select a low density (8-9 o'clock) and set overlap at about 12 o'clock, you should hear the grains wraping around when blend is fully clockwise. The start/size knobs now should not influence the perceived loop lenght (which now actually is the grain length).

btw i think size is not of any relevance at this point (not in grains nor vocoder modes), since loopPartialSize is at a minimum loopSize already (@Sync not zero; audible). The grain length is greater than the loop length and wraps around the sample end. As soon as I start blending the phase vocoder in, there is heavy clipping from the short loopSize of the vocoder mode.

Sync wrote:

What happens when the playback is in-process while things are changing? Presumably you won't want to change the current playback point in the buffer which would cause an extra jump in the audio
[...]
Or maybe, if the start point changes past the current play point, the playback point should jump ahead to immediately track it?

Turning the start knob in any direction is tracked immediately, which is nice when playback speed is very low (or zero) and start can be used as kind of a transport. I also dont don't hear any nasty clicks even when changing start non-continuously via CV.

Sync wrote:

And that raises yet another question-- what does the code do now, if anything, to handle a splice glitch-- there are those windowing/overlap parameters, eh? I would think in order to implement that, it needs to have a heads up as to when it's nearing the point where it wants to change the playback point-- advance notice if you will, so it can start the windowing & overlap process...


I guess the windowing is applied before audio from the playback point is made audible, but after the playback point has changed. Grains are not cancelled, when the playback position is changed; the playback position only affects grains that are generated from after the playback position has changed. Low grain density <-> large grain size are nice to observe this kind of behaviour.
vantablack
just want to mention that i follow this thread with interest.
bassmagnetic
anyone know where the documentation for the new v.2.1.1 firmware is. Can't seem to find anything in the manual, it just relates to the older firmware, so don't know how to record buffer etc
danishchairs
bassmagnetic wrote:
anyone know where the documentation for the new v.2.1.1 firmware is. Can't seem to find anything in the manual, it just relates to the older firmware, so don't know how to record buffer etc

The only documentation (at least at this point in time) is what’s on the announcement page. (Note: this link is liable to go stale as Qu-Bit releases other firmware updates.)

Nebulae v2.1.1 Firmware Update

New Features:

Live buffer can be saved to the USB flash drive (Hold file and press freeze)
The Nebulae will boot up to whichever instrument file was last used
All secondary settings will save between power cycles
You can load PD files direct from the main granular looper instrument
Pressing the pitch encoder while turning it will move in octave increments
Various performance increases and stability improvements
Fixes source switching glitch in v2.1
urogijani
Hello I can't figure out how this Audio Input for FM input for generationg grains works ?! In normal mode it does nothing when I plug something to the input, and in source mode it is just playing the wave I send to it.

Manual says -
''Audio input - When set to file source this is used as an FM Input for the grains being generated.''

Somebody know how is this working ?

Thanks smile
bassmagnetic
can't seem to load any audio files into the Nebulae...

have a flash drive... formatted it as FAT32

put audio files on drive

boot up Nebulae with drive plugged in...

nothing... only original samples on the module, can't get it to load new ones..

I'm following the manual... am i doing something wrong?
ersatzplanet
bassmagnetic wrote:
can't seem to load any audio files into the Nebulae...

have a flash drive... formatted it as FAT32

put audio files on drive

boot up Nebulae with drive plugged in...

nothing... only original samples on the module, can't get it to load new ones..

I'm following the manual... am i doing something wrong?


The maximum file size of all files is 75mb. That is all the memory that is in the Nebulae.

Copy all the files off of the provided USB stick from Qu-Bit and try putting your own files on it.

Files have to be in the ROOT of the stick, not in any folders.

Files have to have file extensions if you are using a Mac.

Try those and read this thread from the beginning. Many people had problems that were given solutions.
danishchairs
Just a heads up for anyone creating firmware files for the Neb2 on a Mac:

Assuming you have written or edited some files that you'd like to be part of the underlying firmware of the Neb2. (I'm talking about python files, shell scripts or changing the default instruments that load into the factory bank.)

Save your work into the 'QB_Nebulae_V2' folder (along with the code from Qu-Bit that you aren't changing or replacing).

Now you need to create a 'neb_update.zip' file from your 'QB_Nebulae_V2' folder.

Typically on a Mac, one might use the Finder to Compress that folder into a .zip file, then rename that .zip file so the Neb2 will recognize it as a firmware update file.

However (and this is the reason for this post), if you use the "Compress" option from the Finder, that ".zip" file that gets created will not unzip on the RPi, at least not using the tar function from the Nebulae code.

A workaround is to use the Mac Terminal app.
    a) Change directory (cd) to the folder which contains your 'QB_Nebulae_V2' folder.
    b) Create a tar file, then rename that tar file so that the Neb2 will recognize it. Both steps can be done with one command:
Code:
tar -cvf neb_update.zip QB_Nebulae_V2/*

Now you can copy that newly-created 'neb_update.zip' file to the root directory of the USB stick using the Finder. The Neb2 will update itself using your new firmware.
thetechnobear
just got my nebulae and started exploring it smile
seems like a very cool module.

as a developer I like to know whats going on and have access to it,
but I don't have an ethernet cable close to my rack, so thought Id enable wifi

so I created a small nebulae instrument that does just that

wifi instrument

(on my dropbox, as seems no nebulae category on patchstorage - I'll go ask them if they can sort that out wink )

theres a readme contained in the zip file, so read it smile

basically, edit the wifi file - add your network name, and password.
then just start it as a normal 'user' instrument, when you want wifi.

anyway, hopefully the first of many nebulae instruments from me smile

Mark

p.s. cant promise it works on every wifi, but should do...
nuttymad
thetechnobear wrote:
just got my nebulae and started exploring it smile
seems like a very cool module.

as a developer I like to know whats going on and have access to it,
but I don't have an ethernet cable close to my rack, so thought Id enable wifi

so I created a small nebulae instrument that does just that

wifi instrument

(on my dropbox, as seems no nebulae category on patchstorage - I'll go ask them if they can sort that out wink )

theres a readme contained in the zip file, so read it smile

basically, edit the wifi file - add your network name, and password.
then just start it as a normal 'user' instrument, when you want wifi.

anyway, hopefully the first of many nebulae instruments from me smile

Mark

p.s. cant promise it works on every wifi, but should do...


Hey Technobear, I’m a big fan of your work of orac on the organelle! So excited to hear you have a nebulae and can’t wait to see what instruments you come up with!
danishchairs
thetechnobear wrote:
... as a developer I like to know whats going on and have access to it, but I don't have an ethernet cable close to my rack, so thought Id enable wifi

so I created a small nebulae instrument that does just that ...

Nice work! Neb2 instrument code to enable WiFi on the RPi! thumbs up
danishchairs
I have created a new firmware file for the Neb2. It is based on the official Qu-Bit firmware 2.1.1. There are just a couple of changes:

1) I found an/the error in the code which prevented the module from restarting correctly after being shut down while an instrument from the user bank was loaded and playing. It seems to work fine now.

2) The fifth instrument (rightmost button, under the 'freeze' jack) in the factory bank has been replaced with a new instrument. The fifth instrument in the official 2.1.1 firmware is a test instrument (e_testio.instr). The new instrument file on this firmware is named, "e_newsize01.instr". It is a clone of the main instrument of the Neb2 module (a_granularlooper.instr) with a change to the way that the 'start' and 'size' functions interact. In the original instrument (which is still on this firmware, in the same place), changing the 'start' control also changes the size of the loop. In the new version, changing the 'start' control has no effect on the size of the loop. This allows one to sweep through their loop without changing the size of the loop length and speed at which the loop plays.

Note: When using the e_newsize01.instr, the light under the reset jack does not blink at the end of each loop (the way it does with a_granularlooper.instr). If/when I figure out how to change/fix that, I'll update the software.

I have uploaded the firmware file to GitHub. This is the first time I've used GitHub to share software. If you have any trouble, please let me know.

Neb2Firmware2.1.1.01

I don't think this firmware will cause problems, but please use at your own risk.

If you have trouble with this firmware file, please reinstall the official firmware from Qu-Bit to restore the previous functionality to your module.
Funky40
this is great news danishchairs.

just that i was not able to update my Neb2 hmmm.....
I also tryed to rename the file more like the old one, and also redownloaded the file.
several attempts of rebooting to upload the new fW etc.
somewhere in this process went something wrong.
I might think it should have worked from my side since the update is fairly easy as such wink
(I read the manual fresh now in regards to update AND in regards how to load another instrument )
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
this is great news danishchairs.

just that i was not able to update my Neb2 hmmm.....
I also tryed to rename the file more like the old one, and also redownloaded the file.
several attempts of rebooting to upload the new fW etc.
somewhere in this process went something wrong.
I might think it should have worked from my side since the update is fairly easy as such wink
(I read the manual fresh now in regards to update AND in regards how to load another instrument )

Thanks, Funky40!

It’s possible that I need to adjust something in the way I put the files up on GitHub. What I thought/hoped would happen is that people could:
    Download the zip file from GitHub
    Unzip that file to find 2 other files:
    A readme file, and
    The actual firmware file (called
    neb_update.zip)
    Copy that neb_update.zip file onto the root directory of your USB stick
    Put the USB stick into the Neb2 and power up the module

If all goes well, the module should update itself. But it didn’t go well, so ...

Perhaps I should unbundle the actual firmware file from the readme file, so that there’s less confusion about what to unzip and what to leave zipped. (A lesson for us all ...)

Update: I simplified the download from GitHub. I think/hope it works now as described above.
thetechnobear
nuttymad wrote:

Hey Technobear, I’m a big fan of your work of orac on the organelle! So excited to hear you have a nebulae and can’t wait to see what instruments you come up with!


thanks - I hope you'll like what I have planned wink

danishchairs wrote:

Nice work! Neb2 instrument code to enable WiFi on the RPi!


thanks,
yeah its was also a proof of concept for a mechanism to install instruments which need to contains binaries … more details soon wink

(I've not done much Csound, I'm mainly C++, with a bit of PD/Supercolider on the side … but Csound looks pretty cool)



danishchairs wrote:

1) I found an/the error in the code which prevented the module from restarting correctly after being shut down while an instrument from the user bank was loaded and playing. It seems to work fine now.



ah, you got bitten by that too smile
I emailed a fix for this back to qubit...
but I'm hoping soon they will put firmware on GitHub, so we can issue pull requests with fixes.

its nice to see others are interested in developing the firmware.
thanks for you (and others) for your posts here, they really help me get started quickly
danishchairs
thetechnobear wrote:
danishchairs wrote:

1) I found an/the error in the code which prevented the module from restarting correctly after being shut down while an instrument from the user bank was loaded and playing. It seems to work fine now.

ah, you got bitten by that too smile
Yes, I wrote about it here and alerted Qu-Bit to the problem a week or so ago.

thetechnobear wrote:
I emailed a fix for this back to qubit...
I've also emailed them about the fix I put in my firmware file.

thetechnobear wrote:
... I'm hoping soon they will put firmware on GitHub, so we can issue pull requests with fixes.
Excellent. Sounds like the best way to go forward.

thetechnobear wrote:
its nice to see others are interested in developing the firmware.
thanks for you (and others) for your posts here, they really help me get started quickly

Thanks!
Zymos
Thanks danishchairs, one of my only complaints about the module was the way start and size were linked together. Looking forwards to updating with this FW!
ersatzplanet
Zymos wrote:
Thanks danishchairs, one of my only complaints about the module was the way start and size were linked together. Looking forwards to updating with this FW!


I always thought it was odd that Qu-Bit decided to make it work the way they have. Not very intuitive. I hope Andrew Ikenberry will chime in sometime to give the reason for doing it that way. All the other wave players I own or have studied, separate the two functions. The size is the size and the start is the start. I imagine it has to do with the way the granular part of the instrument reads the files. A decision has to be made as to what happens when the start gets near the end of the file and the size is too big to go further. Some player start making the size smaller (start priority) and some just stop the start at where the size is (size priority). Since the Nebulae is doing more than just playing the file (the pitch and speed control), I thought maybe the size/start thing is not that easy to do. Apparently danishchairs has figured it out. I hope Qu-Bit checks out what he's doing there.
Funky40
Danischairs, your update instruction is exactly how i have proceed. JFYI
so i downloaded the file again, and tryed again.

The update went fine now !
your mode works now.


The change in the behave of the white Rec LED is by purpose ?
( no red LED going but instead the white rec button been lit while recording)


great great ! Much Thanks Danischairs.
(.........i´ll go patch later, i just had some function checks right now)

its nice to see a module progress this way !
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
Danischairs, your update instruction is exactly how i have proceed. JFYI
so i downloaded the file again, and tryed again.

The update went fine now !
your mode works now.
Great! I'm so glad to hear it works for someone besides just me!

Funky40 wrote:
The change in the behave of the white Rec LED is by purpose ?
( no red LED going but instead the white rec button been lit while recording)
I didn't change anything about the recording process, so it should work as before. But you're right, it doesn't. (A quick test on my system indicates that the recording process to the buffer still works, but the speed LEDs do not go red during the recording process, the way they do on the a_granularlooper instrument.) More investigation needed.

(In the code, I've noticed there are some routines which seemed to be programmed specifically for the default instrument. I'm hoping to make them available for other instruments.)

Funky40 wrote:
great great ! Much Thanks Danischairs.
(.........i´ll go patch later, i just had some function checks right now)

its nice to see a module progress this way !
Many thanks! thumbs up
danishchairs
I've discovered an unexpected behavior in the 'newsize' instrument I included in the firmware file mentioned a few posts back. The behavior is different depending on whether the Source is set to File mode or Live mode. (In both cases, for the newsize instrument, loopSize determines the time between two successive starts of the loop.) *

When the Source is set to File mode and audio from a file is being played:
If loopSize is longer than loopPartialLength, the difference in time is filled with audio from the start of the loop.

When the Source is set to Live mode and audio from the buffer is being played:
If loopSize is longer than loopPartialLength, the difference in time is filled with silence. (The silence is the unexpected part.)

More investigation is needed to understand the difference in programming between these two modes of audio playback.

----
In the default instrument from Qu-Bit, the following behavior is the same whether Source is set to File mode or Live mode:
If loopSize is longer than loopPartialLength, the difference in time is "deleted" and the loop restarts immediately at loopStart.
(I'm not sure "deleted" is the correct term, but hopefully the action being described is understandable.)

----
* Actually, the time between successive loop starts is determined by loopSize and the speed control, but for this observation, we can ignore speed.

loopSize, loopPartialLength and loopStart are terms from a post on pg. 33 of this thread.

<Edited for additional information.>
thetechnobear
can someone confirm for me that their nebulae root fs is read/write?
(just log on and try to create a file in the home directory)


it looks like it 'should' be read-only,
but neb_globals.py, sets remount_fs = False, so nebulae.py init() remounts it to writable.

this is not a bad thing per se, and actually is useful for what Im doing,
but it looks like it either unintentional, or that it might be set to change in a future firmware update.
(so I might need to prepare for it for the future wink )
yrn1
It’s in any case best if mounted read only. SD cards wear out *very* fast if there are for example log files being continuously written.

You can change the mount with

sudo sh /home/alarm/QB_Nebulae_V2/Code/scripts/mountfs.sh rw (or ro)
thetechnobear
that's not what I asked wink

I know the limitations of sd cards, and 'recommend' practice.
(so, I was not proposing to write to it regularly...)
… and I know how to remount it

what I asked was, is the nebulae mounting it read-only?
as far as I can see in the code, and also in practice its currently reverting back to read/write as soon as nebulae.py is started.
I just wanted confirmation that is what others had also noticed.

(and as a bonus, I think this changed .. as the original firmware appeared to be read-only - again confirmation would be useful)
yrn1
I could only check with the WiFi enabled. So it is read-only because the WiFi ‘instrument’ ro-mounts it. No laptops with Ethernet jack in the house, so can’t check that way... But if it would be mounted rw by default, I’d consider that a bug.
yrn1
@danishchairs Thanks a million for the WiFi instrument! This makes developing sooooo much easier!
danishchairs
yrn1 wrote:
@danishchairs Thanks a million for the WiFi instrument! This makes developing sooooo much easier!

Actually, it was thetechnobear who wrote that great instrument. The thanks go to him!
yrn1
Oops! So, @thetechnobear you’re my hero of the week for you’re WiFi instrument!
Squarewave Fellowship
Thanks @danishchairs, nice work on the wifi instrument!

Anyone clever enough to swap "window" for "window alt"? (For me, window shape isn't important as long as there are no clicks-of-doom... so, CV controlling window shape is very MEH confused ..... however, CV controlling grain mute probability would be AMAZING, which would be possible if window-alt was switched for window-primary)

Also on wish list: pulse output PER GRAIN, not per entire loop. For me, per loop pulse is not very useful.

Anyone agree? Are these terrible ideas? smile
nuttymad
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Also on wish list: pulse output PER GRAIN, not per entire loop. For me, per loop pulse is not very useful.

Anyone agree? Are these terrible ideas? smile


Pulse per grain sounds cool.

My #1 wish is to be able to sequence the start position without it slipping and getting all out of wack.

Not sure if it’s even possible though hmmm.....
danishchairs
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Thanks @danishchairs, nice work on the wifi instrument!

Actually, it was thetechnobear who wrote the WiFi instrument. The congrats go to him!
danishchairs
Squarewave Fellowship wrote:
Anyone clever enough to swap "window" for "window alt"? (For me, window shape isn't important as long as there are no clicks-of-doom... so, CV controlling window shape is very MEH confused ..... however, CV controlling grain mute probability would be AMAZING, which would be possible if window-alt was switched for window-primary)

OK, I think I have swapped "window" for "window_alt". Seems to be working.

I've uploaded the instrument to GitHub. Right-click and download linked file: windowAltSwap.instr *

Let me know if it works!

* I'm new to GitHub and not very competent with it, so please let me know if you have trouble with the download.
windspirit
I also make very little use of the window control, if someone wanted to replace it with a sample select knob and then have the file button step through window shapes or something like that I think the nebulae would be one of my favorite modules.
needto
windspirit wrote:
I also make very little use of the window control, if someone wanted to replace it with a sample select knob and then have the file button step through window shapes or something like that I think the nebulae would be one of my favorite modules.


Thissssss would be absolutely ace! SlayerBadger!
Funky40
I have it allways set to 10 o´clock.
what settings are you Guys using ?


sorry, i edited the wrong post, and killed my original one halfways d'oh!
nuttymad
windspirit wrote:
I also make very little use of the window control, if someone wanted to replace it with a sample select knob and then have the file button step through window shapes or something like that I think the nebulae would be one of my favorite modules.


This all day thumbs up
yrn1
Funky40 wrote:
I have it allways set to 10 o´clock.
What settings are you guys using ?


Same here. Sometimes also fully CW, for more glitch.
Squarewave Fellowship
danishchairs wrote:
OK, I think I have swapped "window" for "window_alt". Seems to be working.


love Yes!!!! Thank you so much. Working just as in my dreams! CV control of window probability, excellent.

So sorry thetechnobear, I was just parroting someone else without reading the thread properly - really grateful for the wifi.instr. Thanks danish for correcting me.

Next on the wish list: per grain pulse! I can see in the code it is right at the end, but I can't figure out what is going on or how to alter what triggers is:

Code:
; Set EOL Pulse Output
ktrig metro kr
kphssync max_k aphssync, ktrig, 2
if kphssync == 1 then
    if krecordA == 1 then
        krecordA = 0
        krecordB = 1
    endif
    if gksource != 1 || kBufferEmpty == 0 then
        gkeol = 20 ;(6ms per tick each ish)
    endif
else
    if gkeol > 0 then   
        gkeol -= 1   
    endif
    ;gkeol = 0
endif


Pseudocode:
"If gksource is not equal to one (if live input is off), or if the buffer has got to the end of the loop,
then send a 6ms pulse."

Is || "logical or"?

So I guess kBufferEmpty could be replaced with "end of grain", if there is some variable for that?

OR, "gkeol = 20" (send a pulse) could be put into the loop for each grain start/end?
Squarewave Fellowship
Thanks danishchairs for the 2.1.1.01 "infinite reboot cycle if on user instrument" bug. Sorted.
Funky40
oh its christmas time and we can wish ? wink

i personally would like to see several takes on the granular sampler.
since we have 5 instr. slots wink


+1. Tailored for faster recording and better jamming between the two play modes ( blend CCW vs. Blend CW ):
Blend leaves out the direct/ input signal completly when playing !
Blend between the two output modes directly in a linear-gain fashion ! (Blend CCW vs. Blend CW, no direct siganl!)
pressing record would allways just record the input, without any neccessity to adjust the Blend knob accordingly ( complete ignore of blend knob vs. Recording )
(Yes, the direct signal would not be available anywhere in this mode / or add: button combo press for monitoring uses)

+2. tailored for direct Resampling live jamms donne on the Neb2:
The recording will *allways* be according to the lenght of what is allready recorded/in the buffer.
start and size parameter is "ignored in regards to any buffer lenght setting" on a new recording ( until a manual delete buffer operation has taken place),
so that one could jamm away on the NEb2, incl. jamming start and size parameter, and getting the full jamm recorded ....directly back In!



hope some coders share some wishes wink
tomnicholson
Funky40 wrote:
windspirit wrote:
I also make very little use of the window control, ..........

I have it allways set to 10 o´clock.
What settings are you guys using ?


( just for the case that somebody would want to freeze the window parameter to a fixed value wink )


Mine's been at 1 o'clock. For smoothness.
yrn1
I took the liberty of creating a github repo with the current firmware, while we wait for Qu-Bit to open up theirs: https://github.com/yrn1/nebulaefw

I applied the patch by DanishFurniture and included the wifi script of thetechnobear.

Also added a Makefile to build an installable neb_update.zip.

Feel free to fork or create pull requests or mail me patches, I'll try to keep it up to date.

If anyone feels that I shouldn't have made this public or if Qu-Bit thinks it will interfere with their plans, please let me know and I'll close it again, no sweat.
yrn1
@danishchairs: I know you also have a repo. I just wanted one with the full source, to have version control and tracking over the individual changes... If you're up for it, we could merge our efforts...
Funky40
Funky40 wrote:

I have it allways set to 10 o´clock.

Ok, i stand corrected by myself and my jamms yesterday ! hihi



i had some re-recorded sound from Neb2 gooing which was allready quite "smeary",
so i had now GREAT results working with the "Window" parameter,
even with just wiggling the Window pot alone but no other !
Oh, that window "variation" is more musical than thought ! and can play a much bigger role than thought.
You just have to stumble over the right sound material AND the right jamm situation.
( "smeary" sounds ( contrary of percussive ) and a small(-er) size setting with a fast cycling loop for example)

applause

my new jamms were also much inspired by the modified granular instrument from danishchairs. Thank You again, much appreciated !
Seems that it leads me to work into different directions and different jamms.
More predictable now what i´m doing, which defeats that i directly go for chaotic-only jamms with no further thinkling wink

SlayerBadger!
danishchairs
yrn1 wrote:
@danishchairs: I know you also have a repo. I just wanted one with the full source, to have version control and tracking over the individual changes... If you're up for it, we could merge our efforts...

Thanks, @yrn1. Sounds good. Let's check in about details via PM!
danishchairs
Funky40 wrote:
...my new jamms were also much inspired by the modified granular instrument from danishchairs. Thank You again, much appreciated !
Seems that it leads me to work into different directions and different jamms.
More predictable now what i´m doing, which defeats that i directly go for chaotic-only jamms with no further thinkling wink

SlayerBadger!

Thanks for the thanks! thumbs up
Qu-Bit Electronix
Hello Everyone!

Thanks for all of your interest in hacking the Nebulae.

We now have an official github repository for the firmware:
https://github.com/andrewikenberry/QB_Nebulae_V2

Please feel free to create issues, pull requests, etc.
We will be migrating all of our existing documentation into the wiki pages ASAP.

Happy hacking!
nanners
yrn1
Thanks @qu-bit!
thetechnobear
had my Nebulae for a week now, have to say I love it,
the granular sampler is awesome, so easy to use, and sounds so clean/fantastic.


But Ive been busy smile
Ive got a few plans for the Nebulae, but the first is very nearly upon us...


here is a small taster :



tommorow, I'll release a Orac 2.0 new features/walkthru video,
then on Friday I will be releasing Orac 2.0 for the Nebulae v2, along with a video showing how to install etc.


for more details about this, and my other developments subscribe to my youtube channels - http://youtube.com/c/TheTechnobear



Its initially a beta, to get some feedback,
(one thing I'd particulary love some help on is presets, as it'd be great for new users to have something to 'hit the ground running' with)
Nutritional Zero
Holy shit! Mad respect.
j_dowe
thetechnobear wrote:

tommorow, I'll release a Orac 2.0 new features/walkthru video,
then on Friday I will be releasing Orac 2.0 for the Nebulae v2, along with a video showing how to install etc.


I have both an Organelle & Nebulae2 (well, the Organelle belongs to the university). I only lack time! Dead Banana

Christmas in April !?!

All hail thetechnobear !!!

we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
Sync
thetechnobear wrote:

here is a small taster :



tommorow, I'll release a Orac 2.0 new features/walkthru video,
then on Friday I will be releasing Orac 2.0 for the Nebulae v2, along with a video showing how to install etc.



Watched the video, but I still can't say that I have any idea what "Orac" is from that. Is it a CSound or Pure Data module of some kind? In the form of some kind of stand-alone synthesizer voice module, oscillator, or a multi-node networked synthesizer component? A sort of software module hosting environment, ala VST? And with an RPI, can it use an LCD touch screen for I/O? And/or is it compatible with TouchOSC?
starthief
To give you some idea, here's the 1.x version on the Organelle:

windspirit
It looks great but I imagine without a screen it will be pretty difficult to navigate and have access to all of the parameters.
thetechnobear
Sync wrote:

Watched the video, but I still can't say that I have any idea what "Orac" is from that. Is it a CSound or Pure Data module of some kind? In the form of some kind of stand-alone synthesizer voice module, oscillator, or a multi-node networked synthesizer component? A sort of software module hosting environment, ala VST? And with an RPI, can it use an LCD touch screen for I/O? And/or is it compatible with TouchOSC?


yeah, this was more a taste - as I wanted to keep it short.

the loopop video @starthief linked is a good introduction...

and there will be more videos over next few days, and on Friday a specific one for eurorack/nebulae.

basically Orac is a kind of virtual modular/patchbay , where you load up various modules in various 'configurations' (=routers) but the modules are 'larger' building blocks, i.e. a synth, an fx, a sequencer.

the modules are built in pure data, though of course can include C++ externals, e.g. orac includes my ports of MI clouds, elements, braids and rings.
(and new modules are easy to create and can be shared across platforms, as can setups/racks)

so how do you control?

so the basic idea is you build a rack using the remote interface (on your phone or computer, (*) ) , and at that point you then assign CV and/or midi to parameters that you want to control - think of it like 'building your own module' - and you save these as presets.

from this point, its standalone, you can recall presets, you can control that rack via the cv/midi you setup.
(so you can turn off your phone/computer and get back to the fun stuff!)


so this might sound a bit complex, and for sure it wont appeal to all,
but theres is also another 'angle' to this, which is that this obviously is built on an 'architecture' which I can also use to release other self contained 'patches' - ones that have a defined function (which may be more appealing to some) - but still retain the ability to have preset load/save, midi learn, cv control and modulation etc. e.g. so for example, I could release my clouds port with these abilities.

anyway, apologies its not the simplest thing to explain, but I hope will become clear over time.

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(*) as an added bonus, you get full control via a Push 2 if you have one, you'll see that in tomorrows video.
Sync
starthief wrote:
To give you some idea, here's the 1.x version on the Organelle:

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Holy cow-- that looks pretty interesting... I guess theoretically, I could have several clouds running, for an awesome wall of texture-- makes me wonder if you could then connect a single gate input to control multiple clouds Freeze buttons at once, from the Nebulae V2. Or maybe control each Freeze with a separate gate, maybe there's even a gate or counter module that could be used to set all of the freeze buttons in a round-robin style or something like that?

It does make me wonder how CV input works-- the Organelle examples are all talking about Midi, no doubt due to that's what the Organelle has to work with-- but you say it works with CV as well? Sounds pretty awesome...

And what does it take to create a module-- code it up in Pure Data?
thetechnobear
Sync wrote:

Holy cow-- that looks pretty interesting... I guess theoretically, I could have several clouds running, for an awesome wall of texture-- makes me wonder if you could then connect a single gate input to control multiple clouds Freeze buttons at once, from the Nebulae V2. Or maybe control each Freeze with a separate gate, maybe there's even a gate or counter module that could be used to set all of the freeze buttons in a round-robin style or something like that?

It does make me wonder how CV input works-- the Organelle examples are all talking about Midi, no doubt due to that's what the Organelle has to work with-- but you say it works with CV as well? Sounds pretty awesome...

And what does it take to create a module-- code it up in Pure Data?




yup, several clouds is possible .. obviously within the constraints of the nebulae hardware smile

gate is parameters, so you could put all of them on the same CV input, or on different ones - your choice.

(beyond that, with a bit of PD you could implement a counter or whatever you like)


yes modules are created in Pure Data,
which I integrate with a 'parameter system', which makes it really easy to add new modules that fit into the architecture - so you dont have to worry about saving/recall presets, remote control, cv control, modulation.
you just specify the parameters and let Orac take care of the 'details' smile

its pretty simple stuff really... as I wanted user to be able to concentrate on the DSP code, and not all the 'surrounding' nonsense patching usually entails.[/video]

I did a video on this for 1.0 (this has not changed much for 2.0)




and today, we have the Orac 2.0 overview and new features video smile



... and Friday, I'll be back with details on how to get on to your Nebulae.
thetechnobear
ok, its Eurorack day for Orac 2.0, time to release smile




you will find the downloads links in the video, and also how to install on your nebulae

Im going to do a more general 'getting started with Orac 2.0' video, as I think thats kind of missing at the moment.
but if you look at my Orac playlist you will find a couple of videos which help,
in particular the loopop video is a good overview of how it works, and my Orac 2.0 new features video shows, what changed for 2.0.


Enjoy
Mark aka TheTechnobear


on other news, you'll noticed Im hosting this on Patchstorage.com

I spoke to the guys at patchstorage.com and they have added a new "Nebulae" category where you can upload patches to.
it also now support the new .instr extension used by Nebulae.


note:
you'll see Ive uploaded the wifi and also package installer up to patchstorage,
you do NOT need to download these for orac, as they are already part of its package.
(see above video for details)
FrogStar
WOW Technobear! This is quite amazing! That you very much for taking the platform in a direction nobody could have predicted. I'll do and install this afternoon. thanks again.
Funky40
I need help please:

i just can´t "reload" files when following the instructions of the manual. strange.
situation: i shovel some .wav files to my usb stick ( original Qu-Bit, the newer black one), i power on my modular and the files get loaded into my Neb2. all works fine !
Then i take the USB stick out and replace the .wav files on the USB stick with new ones on my computer,
i put the stick back into the Neb2, i press ( according to the manual) "file" + "source", but nothing happens, NO FILES GET LOADED.

then i power down my modular and back on, and the files get loaded automatically, as stated in the manual.
I can´t see where my fault lies..........???
How do i replace all the old (loaded on the neb2) files with the new ones from my usb stick ?





i turned back to use the usb stick and loading samples into my neb2 after ONLY working with live recording quasi since i have the module, .......since i never could manage to handle the file-handling well in my early days with my Neb2.


Now, i know my module in the meantime since i use the Neb2 kind of each time when i patch on my modular, ......just that i only use the live recording mode.

But f.cky shit, the instructions in the manual are simple............the usb stick works.........where´s here the problem ? i can´t see any seriously, i just don't get it


hmmm.....
ersatzplanet
Funky40 wrote:
I need help please:

i just can´t "reload" files when following the instructions of the manual. strange.
situation: i shovel some .wav files to my usb stick ( original Qu-Bit, the newer black one), i power on my modular and the files get loaded into my Neb2. all works fine !
Then i take the USB stick out and replace the .wav files on the USB stick with new ones on my computer,
i put the stick back into the Neb2, i press ( according to the manual) "file" + "source", but nothing happens, NO FILES GET LOADED.

then i power down my modular and back on, and the files get loaded automatically, as stated in the manual.
I can´t see where my fault lies..........???


The problem is that the "source" button is dual function and the difference is time oriented. To reload new files, you push the "file" button and hold it and this is the important part - you TAP the source button. If you hold the source button for more than a 1/4 second, it changes the Nebulae into live mode instead of playing files from the stick.
Funky40
ersatzplanet wrote:

this is the important part - you TAP the source button. If you hold the source button for more than a 1/4 second, it changes the Nebulae into live mode instead of playing files from the stick.

ahh, ....thats it !
works ! haha


...damn, d'oh!


Thank you VERY much ersatzplanet !
dare
I'm trying to get the loops that I record on the Nebulae2 to sync, they seem to be flamming with source material.

e.g have a drum sequence playing from the Assimilaor that I want to record onto the Neb.

I'm sending a gate from the same sequencer to start and and recording.

The loops sounds good but when I play it back (gate to reset) with the original it's flamming .

The start and size parameters are hard left and right.

Any clues?
windspirit
Do you also have blend all the way left? otherwise you may be hearing the grainular effect
dare
windspirit wrote:
Do you also have blend all the way left? otherwise you may be hearing the grainular effect


Yep, I do..
Funky40
in this regard:
what i wonder is if the Neb is recording its input signal from the output ?
it seems logic that it does ( if you take its capabilitys of "blending" into account / also seen vs. older statements here) .
Which would suggest that there is kind of a delay/latency in the play anyway, not ?


not shure if a trigger delay ( for the rec trigger) would help here ? probably not hmmm.....
windspirit
Could it be that if you are listening to the input blended with the looped audio that the latency is doubling up on the audio?
Sync
thetechnobear wrote:

so I created a small nebulae instrument that does just that

wifi instrument

(on my dropbox, as seems no nebulae category on patchstorage - I'll go ask them if they can sort that out wink )

theres a readme contained in the zip file, so read it smile

basically, edit the wifi file - add your network name, and password.
then just start it as a normal 'user' instrument, when you want wifi.

anyway, hopefully the first of many nebulae instruments from me smile

Mark

p.s. cant promise it works on every wifi, but should do...


Has anyone been able to get this to work on a WPA2/AES only network? I've got WPA and WPA2/TKIP disabled in my router due to known security flaws. I can go through the motions of enabling wifi on the nebulae but "alarmpi" doesn't show up on the network.

It also might be worth knowing if it'll respond to a ping-- it is possible to disable the ping response, and maybe that's the case here? Either way, I don't get a password prompt from ssh at this point...
thetechnobear
Id guess wpa2/aes might need some additional setup...

what im doing in the wifi script is just giving netctl what it needs, and then using netctl to start it - id assume there's details out there on how to configure netctl for aes.


what might be easier is to create a new script to use wifi as a standalone access point - thats pretty easy, and means we don't need to worry about exiting network security structures.
Fedor
Hello everyone! I wonder if there's still 75 mb limit when loading samples from usb-stick. Why is that?
ersatzplanet
Fedor wrote:
Hello everyone! I wonder if there's still 75 mb limit when loading samples from usb-stick. Why is that?


Unlike many sample players that don't manipulate the sample as much as the Nebulae does (they basically just play the sample in different ways), the Nebulae doesn't read the files live from the stick. The files are loaded in