feedback sound of guitar without a guitar

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feedback sound of guitar without a guitar

Post by sleestack808 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:01 pm

I want to get a nice droning feedback sound like a guitar, but avoid the guitar. Is there an invention i dont know about?

I have a barcus berry pickup and a zither. but id like to get a nice thick sound. Thanks..
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Post by sduck » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:05 pm

Get a mesa boogie Mark IIc+. And a gibson ES335. Or something similar. But whatever you do, do NOT refer to it as a guitar. It is not a guitar. It's an electric tenor zither. Or something like that. Problem solved.
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Post by dkcg » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:40 pm

You still need a guitar, but an ebow can do this.

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Post by grimleyj » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:06 pm

Anyone tried a Digitech Freqout?

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Post by abandonist » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:27 am

A hot mic with a distortion pedal behind it can controllably feedback pretty well. You just move the mic around as needed.

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Post by sleestack808 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:56 am

I have a nice tele. Im just afraid the guitar mentality will mess with my creative mind

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Post by sleestack808 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:59 am

EBow, nice idea, thanks

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Post by smetak » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:50 am

grimleyj wrote:Anyone tried a Digitech Freqout?
I did.....hum....didn't really cut it for me. Although I am digging the recent Digitech effects - got the very fine Obscura delay, which is on my board - the Freqout was a bit of a let down, sounded like a watered-down flute. Maybe I got the settings wrong while horsing around with it (didn't really have too much time on my hands when I tried it while on a trip to NY) - but didn't really cut it for me.

For something similar, an Ebow is hard to beat.

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Post by e-grad » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:16 pm

Experiment with a fixed filter bank in the feedback loop of the A199 Spring Reverb. Try a rather complex input signal. This should get you in similar territory even though it is not the real deal. :bananaguitar:

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Post by sduck » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:24 pm

sleestack808 wrote: Im just afraid the guitar mentality will mess with my creative mind
Say what? It's just another tool for your creative mind. Unless your creative mind is closed, in which case a good dose of feedback might help crack it open a little...

Extra tip: to get away from typical guitar feedback sounds, detuning is your friend.
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Post by Just me » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:50 am

I have a patch I made on my Minimoog Voyager that does the harmonic feedback thing pretty well. But, I have a Telecaster, Jaguar and SG along with a selection of amps that do it even better.
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Post by GuyaGuy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:40 pm

Wonder how this works with other instruments...

http://en.m.audiofanzine.com/other-guit ... 14551.html

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Post by controlFreak » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:46 pm

make a feedback loop:

mult a guitar fuzz pedal's in and out and maybe add an eq or filter in the loop to alter the resonant frequency then take the signal out from the mult.

Will work best with pedals that don't invert the signal. Inverted signal would mean negative feedback... but may work as most pedals are very imperfect.

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Post by mt3 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:21 pm

Look into no input mixing.

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Post by stk » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:28 am

sduck wrote:
sleestack808 wrote: Im just afraid the guitar mentality will mess with my creative mind
Say what? It's just another tool for your creative mind. Unless your creative mind is closed, in which case a good dose of feedback might help crack it open a little...
Tell it brother. :sb:

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Post by mt3 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:43 pm

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Post by koyl » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:04 am

grimleyj wrote:Anyone tried a Digitech Freqout?
Yes, it works great for traditional feedback and beyond (like getting feedback with a clean sound :hihi: )

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Post by indexofmetals » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:58 am

Macumbista Soundbox. Running several together is even better.

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Post by noisejockey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:54 am

Just actually make feedback with your zither.

Mic the zither with a second, actual/non-contact mic. Feed mic into preamp. Feed output into an amplifier...but a small one, like the little Pignose amp, or those 7" high Marshall stacks, or a MiniRig. Place the amp with the mic pointing a little towards it, place it close enough to feed back, find the sweet spot where the feedback builds when you really hit or strum hard. Track that mic alongside the BB contact mic, mix to taste.

And try putting an eBow on it. Maybe the strings' metal cores will be activated by it.

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Post by koyl » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:16 am

I just remembered I got excellent results with a M.I. Elements feedbacking on itself. It's like having Thurston Moore trapped in your modular. :miley:

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Re: feedback sound of guitar without a guitar

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 pm

sleestack808 wrote:I want to get a nice droning feedback sound like a guitar, but avoid the guitar.
Use a synthesizer.
sleestack808 wrote:Is there an invention i dont know about?
Synth-uh-sizer. Say it with me now ..... synth ...... a ...... sizer. C'mon .. you can do it .. I know you can!
sleestack808 wrote:I know buy a guitar.
NOT A GUITAR! SYNTH! BUY A SYNTH! :msnsmack:
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Poking fun aside, I recently purchased a Kurzweil PC3A6, and it has some PSYCHO-SICK-ASS lead synth sounds with the added dimension of amp feedback. Rolling the mod wheel upward brings in the screech ... tweeking one of the slders tunes the screech in hz producing some beating, tweeking another one of the sliders adds a sub-octave to the screech, giving it that pinch harmonic sound. And tweeking yet another slider adds some form of ring modulation to really make it rude as hell when the mod wheel is rolled in and the screech makes enemies of all who dare to defy it's mightiness.

The pinch harmonic thing is quite musical and highly effective. Nice job on that program.

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Post by maltemark » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:51 pm

Anyone using a freqout with synth fx/euro?
Feel free to use my old samplepacks: https://freesound.org/people/altemark/
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Post by Thorsday » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:05 am

maltemark wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:51 pm
Anyone using a freqout with synth fx/euro?
I just ordered one. Will let you know.

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Re: feedback sound of guitar without a guitar

Post by Rot_Reeler » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:15 am

shameless on topic plug: the feedback loops you hear on nearly every track of this album have a digitech freqout. by its self, pretty cheesy sounding, but when i discovered how it blooms and adds natural harmonics/overtones in a feedback loop i decided it was a keeper.

https://quartzcoffer.bandcamp.com/

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this track is the best example:

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Re: feedback sound of guitar without a guitar

Post by cretaceousear » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:49 pm

Try the Tele left handed, if you're right handed that is, or do a nonsense tuning. Hit it with implements that are not plectrum shaped.
Whatever you do turn it up very loud.
More prosaicly one of the cheap Zoom multifunction pedals should work wonders on a zither.
Can you wedge it in a window and use it as an Aeolian Harp?
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