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GNSDG
Played one of these the other night and it was just fantastic. Thinking about whether I could roll something as immediate and great sounding in 84HP. Anyone already done this? Apologies if it’s been covered on the forum—search isn’t working for me.
anselmi
I love this thing...too bad it seems that Moog is not going to release it...and owner don´t want to sell them either.

I´d love to get one
DougD
The Moog guy at the NYC modular thing last weekend said that they weren't releasing it because they were worried the target market would be "confused" that it wasn't a full drum machine. However, they might use the concepts / circuits in future products.

seriously, i just don't get it
PISS.EXE
Apparently they showed how to build them at moogfest but where's that info?! If they aren't gonna sell them let us build them Dead Banana
anselmi
DougD wrote:
The Moog guy at the NYC modular thing last weekend said that they weren't releasing it because they were worried the target market would be "confused" that it wasn't a full drum machine. However, they might use the concepts / circuits in future products.

seriously, i just don't get it


yep, I was confused a bit at the first sight...expected analog kick, snare, hi-hat and the like...I even was a little disappointed when I realized it was just a monosynth with a simple sequencer BUT a couple demos after that showed me how great this thing is!
jvt
I say just drop the word "drum" from the name and any confusion risk should evaporate. Then put the thing on market!
JakoGreyshire
I wonder if someone could just get the schematics from Moog engineers and we all could design our own PCBs?

I would like to have another one….I can only imagine what two of them together would do!!

zombie

Check out my youtube page for some DFAM goodies….

Sorry for rubbing salt on the wound.. waah

I'm on your side. thumbs up
PISS.EXE
JakoGreyshire wrote:
I wonder if someone could just get the schematics from Moog engineers and we all could design our own PCBs?

I would like to have another one….I can only imagine what two of them together would do!!

zombie

Check out my youtube page for some DFAM goodies….

Sorry for rubbing salt on the wound.. waah

I'm on your side. thumbs up


I'd be eternally grateful if you wouldn't mind posting a few PCB shots applause
JakoGreyshire
PISS.EXE wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
I wonder if someone could just get the schematics from Moog engineers and we all could design our own PCBs?

I would like to have another one….I can only imagine what two of them together would do!!

zombie

Check out my youtube page for some DFAM goodies….

Sorry for rubbing salt on the wound.. waah

I'm on your side. thumbs up


I'd be eternally grateful if you wouldn't mind posting a few PCB shots applause


The PCB has a lot of SMT on it…. When we built it, the PCB SMTs were already baked into place.. We just populated the switches Pots and Jacks then placed washers, light pipes, and screwed to whole thing together…

I'm not sure you'd be able to decipher anything from the pictures….

I do have a friend that is real smart electronic wise…It is possible to reverse engineer it…I think… That would take a lot of time though…. If I knew how to reverse engineer it, I would for sure…

We might be able to get schematics…I want to try to do that….

I'll think about Pictures….Not sure if I want to take the time for that though…

We were supposed to get a written manual for the DFAM but, it still has not been completed…
sad banana
PISS.EXE
The few lucky owners sharing pics of the board is all we can really hope for, unless your friend really wants to undertake reverse engineering it! The SMT stuff should be possible to figure out what it is from a picture. SlayerBadger!
NoLegs
I think maybe a better approach would be understanding how it works not so much the individual components. I think if you break it down into oscillators, filters and modulation options (both normalled and via the patchbay) it would be easy to recreate. I’d be surprised if you couldn’t get most of the way there with a mother-32 and a few additional modules.

With that said I wish they’d just sell the damn thing. There is clearly interest.
JakoGreyshire
yeah the DFAM is 60 hp… I could definitely recreate it with 60 HP of modules…It would take a bit of thought and careful module choosing…But I think it's totally doable…

That would be a cool video.."DFAM work around- what you need and how to patch"… I need a larger system to get it done..I'm still slowly building up to a studio system….

In the interim…What do you all think of noise engineering's BIA as a substitute? I would like to try one out…

J.
NoLegs
JakoGreyshire wrote:
yeah the DFAM is 60 hp… I could definitely recreate it with 60 HP of modules…It would take a bit of thought and careful module choosing…But I think it's totally doable…

That would be a cool video.."DFAM work around- what you need and how to patch"… I need a larger system to get it done..I'm still slowly building up to a studio system….

In the interim…What do you all think of noise engineering's BIA as a substitute? I would like to try one out…

J.


I wasn't able to go to Moogfest this year like I was planning, so I spent that ticket money on starting a percussion based rack. I didn't build towards DFAM functionality (because I didn't know what it was at that point, and still haven't seen anything that fully lays out how it functions). I did pick up a BIA. It's great! Especially with a lot of modulation sources. However, I don't think it's necessarily a way to recreate the DFAM - I think it sounds too different. It's very digital and wavefold-y. I get the impression the DFAM is based more off of more standard analog VCO's with audio rate FM and sync between the two oscillators.

You should definitely pickup a BIA though. They're fantastic for 10hp. Just make sure you have stuff to modulate it.
anselmi
JakoGreyshire wrote:
yeah the DFAM is 60 hp… I could definitely recreate it with 60 HP of modules…It would take a bit of thought and careful module choosing…But I think it's totally doable…


I did it...but the results was not as good as with the DFAM...I mean sonically speaking...this thing is really good tuned for what it does

with modules I got another range of sounds but not the focus and fast to obtain sweet spots of the DFAM

It´s like when you try to recreate a monosynth with modules...even having some close clones of the parts it´s hard to obtain the way the parts interact together in the real thing
JakoGreyshire
NoLegs wrote:


I did pick up a BIA. It's great! Especially with a lot of modulation sources. However, I don't think it's necessarily a way to recreate the DFAM - I think it sounds too different. It's very digital and wavefold-y. I get the impression the DFAM is based more off of more standard analog VCO's with audio rate FM and sync between the two oscillators.

You should definitely pickup a BIA though. They're fantastic for 10hp. Just make sure you have stuff to modulate it.


Yeah, I forgot that the BIA has some digital in there.... I'm guessing that lots of Noise Engineering's stuff is digitally based. I would like to pick up a Sync Iter from them... Huge Octave range on that one. I'd go for a BIA too.. BIA+ PAM's New workout! or Voltage block of course.



Anyway, back to topic..
@anselmi
Quote:
It´s like when you try to recreate a monosynth with modules...even having some close clones of the parts it´s hard to obtain the way the parts interact together in the real thing


Yeah that makes sense... In the Moog class room the engineer, Steve, went over some of the schematics real quick like just for those who might understand it.... It was fascinating! he was showing us different feedback loops and whatnot... I made some videos of the class time... not sure if I got anything worth putting up on youtube...Shitty iphone videos might make my youtube page look crappy to those who don't know... I guess I could make it private and just up load it here... Exclusive for MW! Oh I'm watching it now...shitty audio quality, but I did make a quick shot of the prototype PCB! I'm sure you all would want a high quality closeup shots though eh?

Would this video be a violation of MOOG intellectual Property?
I do not want to be banned from MW.... I hope a moderator can check this for me...
GNSDG
Ha thought nobody replied to this.

Jake did you ever hear from mods?

I think I’m with anselmi here... thought about it for a bit and then decided all the magic was in the sync, cross mod, and maybe envelopes—I’d be buying modules just hoping to hit upon something similar.

I had a similar convo w a Moog guy at TWM re: “confusion”—my advice was to just call it a drum voice, not a drum machine. It’s not a hard problem to solve, I think they just don’t see the market. Which, to be fair, could be accurate.
jvt
GNSDG wrote:
I think they just don’t see the market. Which, to be fair, could be accurate.

Then perhaps they could produce a small run and just test the market! Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to convince a synth company to sell a desirable synth product to people who, you know, actually like to spend money on desirable synth products! seriously, i just don't get it
JakoGreyshire
I would love to have two of them….

I'll probably upload the talk and see where it goes from there…

J.
JakoGreyshire
Finished the video late last night… I'll upload it tonight after work…

It's like 14 minutes of Steve talking. That part is an iPhone video, so don't get your hopes up. It's still cool though. Then I did a video sweep of the DFAM's PCB with some rhythm sounds from the DFAM and Mysteron.

It's a real nerdy video. So, I'll make it unlisted and post it here…

MuffWiggler Exclusive…. Rockin' Banana!

Should I make a new Post? Would that be A better for people to find it? If so, then what should the title be? "An Inside Look at the Moog DFAM"…?

It's already a long video…. I do have more classroom shenanigans…. Steve Explains how to program basic sounds….

I'll probably leave that out for now….yeah it would be a different video…

Programing sounds on the DFAM would be a cool video to make though…

Maybe someday…


Any Thoughts on the matter?

Oh yeah, what category should I post to? Eurorack modules? General gear? etc…

I'll post a link here so you all know where to look…

Let me know what the most appropriate thing to do would be…

Thanks..
JakoGreyshire
I emailed Muff about the possible copyright issue...

No word back from him..

How would looking at a PCB be infringement?


I'll share the boring video here in about an hour or so...

Anyone want to chime in about this concern in the interim?

Any thoughts would be useful...
NoLegs
Hey, I doubt it would be infringement, unless you signed some sort of legal document at the workshop.
JakoGreyshire
Okay here it goes:

Should I also make a new post in another sub forum? Ya know.. for everyone else who is not following this thread..

It is an unlisted video.. you can only see it here.. I think... One might be able to copy the url though... hmmm.....

JakoGreyshire
NoLegs wrote:
Hey, I doubt it would be infringement, unless you signed some sort of legal document at the workshop.


I don't remember signing anything... I don't have a copy of it if I did.

Anyway, I posted the video to eurorack module sub forum.. as"An inside look at the Moog DFAM"

If I get in trouble it all will come down.

eek!

P.S. I like the thumbnail youtube choose of Steve.. Wicked pose! hihi hihi hihi
NoLegs
Thanks! Going to watch now. I think Moog is probably pretty reasonable and would just ask you to take it down, if they had an issue with it.
MikkoM
WTF, my local store let's me preorder this:

https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/18525/jtnkx/Moog-DFAM-rumpukon e

I did not know they are going to release this, or is that only error at verkkokauppa.com ?
pelican
Now an official product
EPTC
https://www.moogmusic.com/products/semi-modular/dfam-drummer-another-m other/

Hot damn Hot DAMN.

Great news, Thank you Moog.
pdub
Wow looks very cool!
BTS
They just dropped a promo video as well:
https://www.moogmusic.com/news/dfam-new-analog-percussion-synthesizer
Muse FTW
Could be cool. Definitely useful for people who have semi-modular systems or really small modular setups.
anselmi
screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
w00t w00t w00t w00t w00t
SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING

finally!
Kitai
really nice, but lack of usb for clock within DAW makes it really a pain to use for those without an external clock, and want to record direct to DAW.....This is a problem for me for sure
AW198
I don't have the money for this but my heart says that I don't REALLY need to be able to afford to eat...
anselmi
Kitai wrote:
really nice, but lack of usb for clock within DAW makes it really a pain to use for those without an external clock, and want to record direct to DAW.....This is a problem for me for sure


send a short audio pulse to the clock input, it works great and it´s more accurate than midi
CF3
like everything Moog, I'm sure it'll sound great. Sorta big for what it does though. Moog is gonna sell a ton of these.
Luap
Very nice. I never thought my first Moog could be a drum machine..
bwhittington
I like the obviously deliberate choice to feature female synthesists in the demo. It's like the current gen Star Wars stuff, plus ladies rock.
fragster
Luap wrote:
Very nice. I never thought my first Moog could be a drum machine..


This.
The minitaur will have to wait. This goes first. w00t
JakoGreyshire
Oh my!!! It's here!! Wow!
It's funny how they label each beat that is presented here… Kind of looks like they gave these Djs the manual that I never received and then let them jam out… Cool.. but, umm I don't know… At least I can Download the manual now…sheesh..

[edit] Now that I look at the manual.. I see that they've changed three patch points! Now I have to get this one too… double sheesh…!! [/edit]

bedhed3000
Beat me to it...
Eichburger
Looking forward to a more measured demo without all the hipster guff.
brianobush
This looks so much more appealing than the mother 32.
@realwiggler
Have to admit, wasn’t sure this was going to make it to production. Should fit nicely with the M32.
No midi at this price point tho does seem like they’ve limited the market for this one a bit.
brianobush
@realwiggler wrote:
Have to admit, wasn’t sure this was going to make it to production. Should fit nicely with the M32.
No midi at this price point tho does seem like they’ve limited the market for this one a bit.


Well, if you need MIDI you just get the Mother 32, right? I don't think every device needs MIDI. Sounds like a perfect marketing plan TBH.
GovernorSilver
What would peeps use MIDI for with this thing? If it's just sync, somebody already said that the clock input will work with an audio pulse.
rowsbywoof
A DFAM and two M32s would be a killer compact system. So happy this is seeing real production, and won't just be limited to a few handbuilt kits from Moogfest.

I'm so tempted. Don't need this, but damn do I want this.
wiperactive
Passed on the Mother 32, but just might suck this one into the euro rack.

In addition to its intended purpose, the twin oscillators (albeit with just square and triangle options) with FM/Sync and a nice Moog filter (which I'm currently lacking) could also turn this into a useful all purpose synth and sequencer when exploiting all those inputs for control from whatever adjacent modulation sources you may have in the form of ADSRs, LFOs etc.
@realwiggler
brianobush wrote:
@realwiggler wrote:
Have to admit, wasn’t sure this was going to make it to production. Should fit nicely with the M32.
No midi at this price point tho does seem like they’ve limited the market for this one a bit.


Well, if you need MIDI you just get the Mother 32, right? I don't think every device needs MIDI. Sounds like a perfect marketing plan TBH.



You’re absolutely right, it is brilliant marketing. My only point was, at $679 USD I, as the consumer, would expect more I/O options not less. Also, from a manufacturer perspective I would think you’d want to entice a wider audience to the product, in line with the tone of their pitch with the M32.
Despite more products having clock and cv i/o many still don’t.

All that said, I have a M32 and love it. I expect the DFAM will also make it into my setup eventually.
GovernorSilver
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...
Kent
anselmi wrote:
Kitai wrote:
really nice, but lack of usb for clock within DAW makes it really a pain to use for those without an external clock, and want to record direct to DAW.....This is a problem for me for sure


send a short audio pulse to the clock input, it works great and it´s more accurate than midi


Not necessarily true. Only if it were so.
dubonaire
bwhittington wrote:
I like the obviously deliberate choice to feature female synthesists in the demo. It's like the current gen Star Wars stuff, plus ladies rock.


Yeah very on point marketing video. thumbs up

Tempted to get this, largely because I recall a previous very glitchy demo. Although, after looking at the signal path, I might try to replicate this with my Micromac first.
dubonaire
GovernorSilver wrote:
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...


It's an amazing time. So many products.
anselmi
Kent wrote:
anselmi wrote:
Kitai wrote:
really nice, but lack of usb for clock within DAW makes it really a pain to use for those without an external clock, and want to record direct to DAW.....This is a problem for me for sure


send a short audio pulse to the clock input, it works great and it´s more accurate than midi


Not necessarily true. Only if it were so.


it works with the M32...I bet you a DFAM that it works with the DFAM too Mr. Green
anselmi
double post
spacezignul
GovernorSilver wrote:
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...


I see this more of a drum/percussive synth than a drum machine
jvt
spacezignul wrote:
GovernorSilver wrote:
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...


I see this more of a drum/percussive synth than a drum machine

Exactly.
stikygum
Sounds good! Most important thing right there. Interface is intriguing.
soundshaper
If anything it looks like whole lotta fun. Bet it would sit great with not just the Mother 32 but also the Moogerfoogers. Imagine the mean and nasty that could be had with the DFAM and the FreqBox! Of course even more options in eurorack but it looks to be fun jamming right on the desktop.
GovernorSilver
spacezignul wrote:
GovernorSilver wrote:
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...


I see this more of a drum/percussive synth than a drum machine


I wonder who doesn't. No MIDI. No drum pads. Monophonic (in theory).. seems pretty obvious to me wink
NoLegs
GovernorSilver wrote:
spacezignul wrote:
GovernorSilver wrote:
The marketplace for under $700 analog drum machines seems to be getting more crowded than expected, and most of them have MIDI: Drumbrute, Bassbot's TT-78 and 606, Korg's Volcas, etc. We'll see what Malekko's asking price will be for Mr. D will be, if/when it finally hits the market.

Moog seems to be going for something different though - peeps who are more comfortable w/ Eurorack stuff, some of whom consider MIDI a four-letter word wink.

Nice to have all these choices...


I see this more of a drum/percussive synth than a drum machine


I wonder who doesn't. No MIDI. No drum pads. Monophonic (in theory).. seems pretty obvious to me wink


There's a lot of people that don't, apparently. I've seen people argue that it's overpriced because you could get a Digitakt for around the same price. hmmm.....
JakoGreyshire
I'm completely stunned about this!! eek!

It's 599.00 and available in Late january from controlvoltage.net..

Three patch points have been changed from the original Moogfest VIP issue.

I understand why people are concerned that it doesn't have Midi, but if you've ever played one... you might not care about midi so much... There are work arounds for that.... Pam's is the DFAM's new best friend forever... Silent way would work... It is misguided because it's a stand alone synth voice with envelopes and an 8 step sequencer. It pairs real well with the M32.. Just imagine it racked up with your other modular stuff..

So good..... Drunken Homer Simpson

[EDIT] Okay I'll just go ahead and say it....In my opinion if you work in the box with a DAW, you don't need the DFAM. If you are tired of working in the box and only like working with modular, like me, then you need a DFAM! If you work with both a DAW and modular then you can make up your own mind whether you need one or not.[/EDIT]


I have mixed feelings about this though... I'm glad that I now can buy another one... And I will because of the three changed patch points and I've been daydreaming for a long time about what having two would be like...

On the other hand, now everyone can have the drum sound I've been coveting for 7-8 months now...

Oh well.... My ego was bummed out for a bit... FUCK IT! Let's all push it to the absolute edge! Together..

If your not sure about it no worries... The DFAM is here to stay now... We'll all have plenty of chances to grab one.

I hope this isn't a shameful plug, but in the spirit of the DFAM I feel the need to say, "GO buy it!"...... And to show you some of my old videos that I never posted here on MW.

This was my first video. Camera microphone... but it shows the some cool hands on tricks I figured out early on.. Shit!! It looks like I got three hundered views today! Fuck me! You all have probably seen these videos already then.

A side note.. I spent most of the day at work today thinking of doing some more DFAM specific videos



This was my second video. I'm only using the LFO from the M32 here... awesome sounds though... I guess I should make some time stamps for people to jump around with.. there are 5 or 6 different examples here.. Cool groove at 4:15.. And finally a jam with the M32 at 5:08..




Finally i started getting better quality videos and my setup evolved.. 30 second snapshots was born:




After that I started my Sunday jam sessions and you can go to my youtube page to see them... I use the DFAM but they are not DFAM videos.

This is still freaking me out... I guess I'll go make some more DFAM videos and show some cool tricks I learned in the last 7-8 months..

Enjoy your new DFAM everyone!

If anyone has requests for future DFAM videos let me know...
lisa


evs wrote:
To be honest, I can‘t stand these promo videos with artists telling how great a product is. I hope the world stops with this:-)

Well, you're in luck! This video has none of that. So I guess you love it. wink
JakoGreyshire
HaHa the Moog DFAM thread just got locked up..... lock
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2730080#2730080

I was about to post this over there to answer some questions...

Funny...

hihi hihi
JakoGreyshire-unpublished wrote:


hmmm... that's funny... a while back I got in "trouble" for trying to start a DFAM thread and was told by the Moderator to use the existing thread called "Damn DFAM." It does make sense though... If there already is a DFAM thread why would we need two or more threads to keep track of one thing?

@DSC this 8 step sequencer is unique to the DFAM because it has velocity and pitch per step... the pitch range is HUGE!. Both pitch and vleocity output jacks allow for clever patching back into the DFAM. It's a super cool sequencer for this synth.


everyone else so far... My opinion here.... Having owned the DFAM for 7-8 months now, I didn't like the new promo video. I could easily assume that they got some cute DJs and gave them two DFAMs and some sound designs that Moog created for them... I could be wrong about this but then why did they give names to the patches that were highlighted? Like, "Heavy Weather", and " Tone Touch".... Did the DJs name those patches after they created them?

Everyone knows that "sex sells" as advertising goes, right? so this is maybe directed at the Male market primarily? Why are there no hot male Djs for that persuasion? Maybe the message is that there are girl DJs around and we need more girl power out there? That's cool. I can support that.

What I can attest for is that once you take it out of the skiff and put it in your modular case, it's hardcore. It may not be for you. I have never been disappointed with mine. Yeah it's big, but there are so many tricks I've discovered where I need two hands to wiggle that drop or a filter sweep with a VCO envelope change...

I posted a few of my first videos of my DFAM experience on the other thread.
Check them out if you're interested. I have more DFAM jams and stuff on my youtube page as well...
(http://no need to post a link to the page you are currently reading)

I'm not going to post the same videos on both threads for fear of the Mods slapping my hands with a ruler..


hihi hihi


Basically, FORGET what you thought about the Promo video and go buy a frickin DFAM! It's awesome! yeah it's big but you don't have to worry about HP because it can sit on your desk. Easy!

Also, no matter who you are guy or girl, hardcore modular only or in the Box producer:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Okay I'll just go ahead and say it....In my opinion if you work in the box with a DAW, you don't need the DFAM. If you are tired of working in the box and only like working with modular, like me, then you need a DFAM! If you work with both a DAW and modular then you can make up your own mind whether you need one or not


Buy a DFAM try it out... don't like it sell it... It's awesome, IMO..

Okay, I'll shut up now.... Just a little hyper from eating fruit all day.

Peace! n-im-out...
Xmit
I have 2 x M-32s ...no idea I even wanted this until now... ( I was a bit annoyed that they never made the BFAM commercially available as I liked the look of that ) but I can now see I'm convincing myself I need a DFAM & swap my 2 tier Mother rack for a 3 tier one.

Damn I'm such a Moog whore. w00t
pickleinn
ok, this thing looks/sounds awesome! I actually like the some of the limitations/missing feature but do want to see/hear more demos...

EDIT - ok, watched the videos posted above again and have to get this
mateo
I think i might need two of these
Swain Voorman
The fact that this isn't your cookie-cutter drum machine/module opens up a ton of experimental potential. VERY intrigued. Also very interested to see what Moog adds to their ecosystem in the future.
GovernorSilver
JakoGreyshire wrote:
HaHa the Moog DFAM thread just got locked up..... lock
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2730080#2730080



I think that was just a standard thread merge.

The mods are pretty quick about finding duplicate threads then consolidating them into a single thread.
Fierball
Yay! Got my order in. It's peanut butter jelly time!

Best thing about this release (for me) isn't even the DFAM, it's that for a long time, a friend of mine has been coming around really enjoying my modular, and I've been teaching him along the way.

After a couple sessions, I attempted to get him to start building his own. He wen't home to research the internets and came back to show me a YouTube video of one of the DFAM Moogfest Engineer units and said "I want that!". I of course said "you can't HAVE that". Thus a promise was made. He would start his own rack on the day he could get a DFAM, and that day has arrived!

The infection spreads, life continues and all's right with the world.
mamonu
rowsbywoof wrote:

I'm so tempted. Don't need this, but damn do I want this.

yep me too.
msboude
Heck yeah! Got my order in as well!

Ordered the three tier rack as well. This will combo so nicely with the 2x m32 that I have now.

Was patiently waiting for this one to drop! Thank you Moog!
brianobush
Wishing the DFAM had a trigger reset input so you could have less than eight steps. I am all about odd steps!
phase ghost
Swain Voorman wrote:
The fact that this isn't your cookie-cutter drum machine/module opens up a ton of experimental potential.


I'm failing to see how this is a drum machine (of any sort) at all. I'm all for drum machines that step out of the mold, but this just seems like a synth. What's drum specific about it?
brianobush
phase ghost wrote:
Swain Voorman wrote:
The fact that this isn't your cookie-cutter drum machine/module opens up a ton of experimental potential.


I'm failing to see how this is a drum machine (of any sort) at all. I'm all for drum machines that step out of the mold, but this just seems like a synth. What's drum specific about it?


A basic kick drum can be made from oscillator, envelope and a VCA. All those pieces are in the DFAM along with a sequencer to modify velocity and pitch simultaneously.
GovernorSilver
brianobush wrote:
Wishing the DFAM had a trigger reset input so you could have less than eight steps. I am all about odd steps!


Always 8 steps no matter what?

Can veteran DFAM users (the ones who built one at the workshop) confirm?
Kitai
Well, as far as what I said about it not having USB, is because I like to use my DAW to sync the clock so I can easily record in sync. This is more of a convenience thing for me. I am using Maschine a lot more now, and with Maschine's new time stretching, there really is no need to worry about syncing it to DAW anymore. I just thought USB would be a convenient little thing to have specifically for clock. I do almost everything in the box, and any hardware I have, I like to be synced to my DAW
msboude
I am reading the manual and don't see a way to reset the sequence or limit the steps. looks like it is a non-resetable 8 step sequencer. Maybe I missed something. Either way, I'm still locked in, looks like a lot of fun!
msboude
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!
Synth Con Meo
msboude wrote:
I am reading the manual and don't see a way to reset the sequence or limit the steps. looks like it is a non-resetable 8 step sequencer. Maybe I missed something. Either way, I'm still locked in, looks like a lot of fun!


I also looked through the manual and I concur that it doesn't appear that there is a way to reset it less than 8 steps. I am still ordering one just the same.
dubonaire
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.
JakoGreyshire
GovernorSilver wrote:
brianobush wrote:
Wishing the DFAM had a trigger reset input so you could have less than eight steps. I am all about odd steps!


Always 8 steps no matter what?

Can veteran DFAM users (the ones who built one at the workshop) confirm?


Yes there is no reset feature… 8 steps always… you can turn down the velocity of certain steps and get euclidean rhythms with it. You can also customize each step and then have something like Pam's new workout trigger drum hits in five steps while the sequencer is not running, and then have another trigger advance to the next step in the sequence that could be a different sound and then Pam's could play five drum hits on that step…. Does that make sense?

You can also do tricky things like only have step one active and runs different clock speed somewhere else to get just one bass drum on one and four… therefore not using any other steps in the sequence… Long story short you can creatively get different time divisions out of it but only even time divisions… no odd time divisions without the use of other modules…. You all got me thinking about this pretty good and I think I can get some odd times out of it… With help from other modules..


I'll try tonight…. hmmm.....
brianobush
dubonaire wrote:
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.


Yes, you need reset to actually do less than eight steps.

In any case, anything complicated could be externally triggered. Planning on using my trigger riot to trigger with some swing. Planning on using for kicks and hats. Could definitely see a use case for two of these.
EPTC
I'm just now remembering that I signed an online petition a few months ago to support DFAM coming to market. Thank you to whomever thought that up. I think they got around 700 signatures.

Ha, I'm going to begin signing a lot more online petitions.
dubonaire
brianobush wrote:
dubonaire wrote:
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.


Yes, you need reset to actually do less than eight steps.


You also need reset when you need to reset the entire sequence along with other sequencers. I think that's a big omission.
JakoGreyshire
Okay I just got home, walked over to the DFAM and the answer came to me before I turned it on...

I'm able to reset the DFAM back to step one after step five by patching the pitch output into the tempo input.. I've turned pitch all the way up on steps 6, 7, and 8... the trick here is that each step's pitch will adjust the tempo until the next step. So to get an easy and steady tempo I've turned the pitch on the first five steps all the way down. The pitch range is Huge so unless you want to tune each step by hand, which could meticulously be done, this is the fastest way to get the result. Now, since the pitch range is huge, turning pitch all the way down on steps 1-5, the master tempo becomes super slow.... So I turned up that master tempo knob to a faster setting... And there you have it... Technically it's not skipping or resetting steps 6-8, it's just moving through them so fast that it appears to reset from step 5.

There are probably more ways to accomplish this... I figured this out in like three minutes... Now, I'm messing with the velocity of the five steps to get all kinds of funky five counts happening... The only thing about this work around is that the Pitch selector switch on the VCO area is not effecting the VCOs right now because the pitches are at the extreme limits. I'm going to patch Pam'sNW into it and maybe I'll have a video for you all later...



Yeay!! nanners applause

edited for spelling..
JakoGreyshire
dubonaire wrote:
brianobush wrote:
dubonaire wrote:
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.


Yes, you need reset to actually do less than eight steps.


You also need reset when you need to reset the entire sequence along with other sequencers. I think that's a big omission.


To start from step one when the sequencer stops, say during a performance, you have to do it manually with the advance push button... And to get it to hit the step one upon startup you need to advance through until you are on step 8. So, when it starts step one is the first step that triggers... It's not that big of a deal... I do it all the time... Sometimes I got good at stopping the sequencer at the right step, if my sequence repeats just right, and starting it on time without using the advance button...

Another push button trick I do sometimes is pushing the trigger button while the sequence is playing. If you have the VCA decay open quite a bit, or other envelopes with long decay you can trigger notes in between steps.. It's not very fluid at fast tempo but at a slow tempo it could be like little mini fills.... Depending on how good your finger is with timing..
voicedrifter
Nice vids there JakoGreyshire, it's cool to see you're so stoked about this. It's probably a ways out for me personally because I just invested in 3 M32s but maybe some day one of those might be swapped out for this one. This looks like a lot of hands on fun! I think the added benefit of 3 EG sources with voltage-controlled decay could be a sweet cherry on top, at least for my current rig.

Sorry mods for the dup thread!
msboude
dubonaire wrote:
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.


Sorry, I just meant that with a clock divider, you could have it advance in a non 4/4 way. You could just advance it every three beats, or every 5.. sorry, had a few tasty beverages today.
JakoGreyshire
So I just recorded a 20 minute video of wiggles and whatnot... Now I'm not sure if you all would sit through it all or if I should edit it down a bit and show highlights of the exploration...?? Do we need to see what I'm doing or is the sounds more important? This video is highlighting the five step count and variations of said five steps... any thoughts about this people?

Meh, on second thought there was a volume change somewhere in there...

hmmm..... hmmm.....

Well, I'm encoding it right now off the SD card so I'll see how it looks and sounds later on and try to drop a video late tonight hopefully...

The Five count was very pleasing to wiggle...
Drunken Homer Simpson
dubonaire
JakoGreyshire wrote:
dubonaire wrote:
brianobush wrote:
dubonaire wrote:
msboude wrote:
that's where a clock divider comes in handy I guess!


If there is no reset, and it seems so, this means you can never reset the sequence to start at step one. It always starts from where it stopped. I don't see how a clock divider can help with that.


Yes, you need reset to actually do less than eight steps.


You also need reset when you need to reset the entire sequence along with other sequencers. I think that's a big omission.


To start from step one when the sequencer stops, say during a performance, you have to do it manually with the advance push button... And to get it to hit the step one upon startup you need to advance through until you are on step 8. So, when it starts step one is the first step that triggers... It's not that big of a deal... I do it all the time... Sometimes I got good at stopping the sequencer at the right step, if my sequence repeats just right, and starting it on time without using the advance button...

Another push button trick I do sometimes is pushing the trigger button while the sequence is playing. If you have the VCA decay open quite a bit, or other envelopes with long decay you can trigger notes in between steps.. It's not very fluid at fast tempo but at a slow tempo it could be like little mini fills.... Depending on how good your finger is with timing..


Hey if it works for you that's cool, but it would drive me nuts. I think being able to send resets to sequencers like this one is fundamental.
greymadr
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset. If so, that might be annoying that the DFAM does not (if you tried to keep them in sync with the same steps).
anselmi
greymadr wrote:
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset. If so, that might be annoying that the DFAM does not (if you tried to keep them in sync with the same steps).


I don´t think so, but you can define the last step of the sequencer
voicedrifter
greymadr wrote:
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset

It does. Both a dedicated button as well as a CV input.
dubonaire
voicedrifter wrote:
greymadr wrote:
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset

It does. Both a dedicated button as well as a CV input.


I think that's a reset gate input, which is what I would expect to see on the DFAM. But I see there is no reset trigger/gate out of the Mother 32 either.
JakoGreyshire
dubonaire wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
dubonaire wrote:

You also need reset when you need to reset the entire sequence along with other sequencers. I think that's a big omission.


To start from step one when the sequencer stops, say during a performance, you have to do it manually with the advance push button... And to get it to hit the step one upon startup you need to advance through until you are on step 8. So, when it starts step one is the first step that triggers... It's not that big of a deal... I do it all the time... Sometimes I got good at stopping the sequencer at the right step, if my sequence repeats just right, and starting it on time without using the advance button...

-snip-


Hey if it works for you that's cool, but it would drive me nuts. I think being able to send resets to sequencers like this one is fundamental.


Yeah I hear you.. To tell you the truth, the DFAM drives me nuts sometimes as well.. I guess it's like other things and modules like it... Sometimes you want to dial in the rad sound you had yesterday and for some reason you can't and it can be a noisy little bugger sometimes... And I'm Like, WTF!!??
I would say though, it only drives me nuts about 5% of the time!! That's pretty good... Seriously though it's got a clean sound, don't be fooled by my wording above..

It definitely has it's charm and sometimes you can't get away from that charm when you want to. I've heard/seen others say the same thing about NE's Basimilus Iteritas Alter... People say it starts to sound the same all the time...

That's also the reason I want two DFAMs. One to do a cool bass drum and one for a snare/effects sound... and whatnot..

It really depends on how you like to work I guess... I guess I should stop telling people to buy it. I don't know how peeps like to work and I don't want to get blamed for buyers remorse. But hey, it's not like I'm physically forcing anyone to buy it.

hihi

It does have some sweet potential though... Like right now I was getting a neat drum and bass groove out of it...

So to the person who was saying how they didn't think it was a "drum machine" phase ghost i think said that..... Well, phase ghost is right, it's not a drum machine. I remember the engineer Steve D. saying that it's a two VCO synth voice that was tailored to make drum sounds. The VCOs are based on the Moog Voyager VCO topology.

With that in mind, you can make bass lines with it. Or lead lines too.. You can patch out the VCOs into the rest of your modular, patch some pitch CV into the DFAM and then use the envelopes separately somewhere else in the modular too....

I forgot was my point was..... Oh yeah.....

I feel like the DFAM was made to explore cool drum sound and also fully deconstruct the synth for other uses as well... The one thing I wish it had would be CV over the Filter cutoff.

It has its charms. It probably wont be charming for everyone.... It can make some awesome bass drums, bass lines, effects, and other things...

Right now I can't see if I'll ever discover all that it can do. That's why I'm excited for everyone to get one...

I like how Reyne on youtiube uses his DFAM.. I just wish I could see his patches. He does a lot of slow triggered movements.. I seem to do mostly faster stuff...

The new DFAM has three different patch points than mine has and I'm itching to try out those jacks...


So in conclusion. Don't buy it!! Er... umm.. maybe go buy it?

At least now I can make DFAM videos without feeling like I'm rubbing your nose in it..

In about a month I'd like to see people complain about it... That would be interesting..
coyoteous
bwhittington wrote:
I like the obviously deliberate choice to feature female synthesists in the demo. It's like the current gen Star Wars stuff, plus ladies rock.

Me, too...
Richjk7
GovernorSilver wrote:
brianobush wrote:
Wishing the DFAM had a trigger reset input so you could have less than eight steps. I am all about odd steps!


Always 8 steps no matter what?

Can veteran DFAM users (the ones who built one at the workshop) confirm?


There is nothing in the manual about step length or being able to reset.

Maybe I'll change my mind later that I should buy this, but the Vermona DRM can do pretty much the same thing if not more and is cheaper.
pickleinn
Quote:

There is nothing in the manual about step length or being able to reset.

Maybe I'll change my mind later that I should buy this, but the Vermona DRM can do pretty much the same thing if not more and is cheaper.


yeah, the step length/reset thing is a bummer, but i bet it can be modded.

I wish the DRM could do do all this, but nothing on the DRM can be VC controlled. and you cant argue the point because the DRM doesnt have a sequencer to need a reset. In essence, you are just triggering the voice. You can do that with the DFAM from an external sequencer.

I really loved my DRM when i had it, but if i wanted dynamic moving sounds, i had to tweak the knobs. Lots of fun, but not practical.

Also, the DFAM sounds different. Ihe few videos of it just sound playable and good (even with some bad recordings). I could see a need for both smile
luketeaford
I was surprised by the omission of the reset too-- and not being able to trigger the three EGs separately. Those seem like the two biggest limitations to have to work within, and that's something I could deal with for the benefits I'd get from pairing this with my two mothers.

To me, looks like DFAM can take you into wilder and more experimental territory (two mothers will get you there, too) and be useful for its own interesting workflow and sounds.

To be fair, it also looks like the kind of thing that would frustrate the hell out of the modular newcomer, so I'd expect these to be widely available second hand by early summer.
Iridite
I'm going to the Moog event in Echo Park the week after next I'll ask them about the Reset and how they see the DFAM being integrated into other sequencers/gear
msboude
I'd be interested to see how they address that.

There is usually a reset pin on most IC chips that are used to make sequencers. I'm sure with a soldering iron and a few minutes, you could fix that reset issue.
tebs213
Played with one last night at the launch party in LA and was really impressed! It’s design and “limitations” are very thoughtful and allow for very natural creation towards making interesting beats with a diversity of sound.
calaveras
I find it to be a disheartening product. One voice is mildly dissapointing, but not a deal breaker if its the goods. The lack of anything more adventuresome than FM and high pass mode is kinda boring to me.
It would have been much more interesting if it had circuits akin to those used in the classic drum machines. As this is just like using any old monosynth to make drum sounds?
The sequencer with a row for velocity is a nice change.
JakoGreyshire
Iridite wrote:
I'm going to the Moog event in Echo Park the week after next I'll ask them about the Reset and how they see the DFAM being integrated into other sequencers/gear


If you go to the first page on this thread and look for my posting of the classroom video, Steve explains the decision for no reset switch. It's not a complete explanation but it's interesting. The Sequencer talk starts around 9:25 minutes and the question about the reset happens around 12:54 minutes….

It is a bummer that there is no reset switch/jack input, but there are some creative uses with the trigger, adv/clock, tempo, and run/stop input jacks to be had…

If you don't have time in your studio to figure out a complex way to get it to do what you want then, you'll probably need something that already has that feature ready to go for you so you can save time.

So I challenge you to think of a work around…


Example:
One way to make an easier reset type thing would be to make a bass drum sound on all odd steps, and snare type sound on all the even steps. Then clock the sequencer real slowly. Then when you want the sequencer to stop you could just make it stop on the snare sound.. You would still get the snare sound and it would start over on the bass drum.. Doesn't sound very exciting but with all the modulation happening with a slow sequencer you could still get very dynamic evolving sounds…

There really is a lot of ways to patch the DFAM… Last night I made a video showing the clever patching to make odd time signatures… I had to get to bed before it was ready to post online… So, tonight I'll see if I can make a cool reset work around …. in a day or two I'll try to up load said video..

My point here is, try to think of a work around… I enjoy these types of problem solving metal acrobatics with modular.

When I first got the DFAM I had fun patching an LFO into the tempo input… Simple silliness but, I realized that those three sequencer input jacks are something I didn't use or think about much… Now that I have Pam's i'm really into it.

So, if you all could help me understand this a bit better…. Tell me how you would like to use the DFAM if it had a reset button or switch..

I understand the need for a reset switch but lets talk about specifics. Why do you need a reset? It's a silly question I know but, I'm interested in your techniques here…

Thanks,
Jako
JakoGreyshire
calaveras wrote:
I find it to be a disheartening product. One voice is mildly dissapointing, but not a deal breaker if its the goods. The lack of anything more adventuresome than FM and high pass mode is kinda boring to me.
It would have been much more interesting if it had circuits akin to those used in the classic drum machines. As this is just like using any old monosynth to make drum sounds?
The sequencer with a row for velocity is a nice change.


One voice….. yeah… but, last night I made a patch where I took the two VCOs out of the DFAM and into some VCAs. I effectively had three voices out of the DFAM. Bass, lead, and drums…. It was quite late so I could be exaggerating a bit. I think it was kind of a sonic illusion, but it was still fun to do…

If you can wait until it's out and then try it out in a store in person… I'd like to hear what you have to say then. I do think it's not for everyone. I certainly will have another one sometime soon..
GNSDG
JakoGreyshire wrote:
calaveras wrote:
I find it to be a disheartening product. One voice is mildly dissapointing, but not a deal breaker if its the goods. The lack of anything more adventuresome than FM and high pass mode is kinda boring to me.
It would have been much more interesting if it had circuits akin to those used in the classic drum machines. As this is just like using any old monosynth to make drum sounds?
The sequencer with a row for velocity is a nice change.


One voice….. yeah… but, last night I made a patch where I took the two VCOs out of the DFAM and into some VCAs. I effectively had three voices out of the DFAM. Bass, lead, and drums…. It was quite late so I could be exaggerating a bit. I think it was kind of a sonic illusion, but it was still fun to do…

If you can wait until it's out and then try it out in a store in person… I'd like to hear what you have to say then. I do think it's not for everyone. I certainly will have another one sometime soon..


I echo Jako's take that you really need to try it in person. I didn't really get the fuss until I tried one and was totally blown away. Not exaggerating.
EMwhite
If the production DFAM is anything like the MoogFest edition (and it is probably identical, save trace patches if any), it's 100% analog (no opportunity to flash a micro controller with new code hence the lack of Midi, etc). Steve is very much an analog guy.

But to the suggestion above, CMOS based sequencers that use decade ICs such as the famous Baby10 and successors would allow this to be implemented with ease, even if surface mounted; but I believe this design is different and not easily done.

Somebody asked this question during the Engineers session (see below at 12:55 or so). The sequencer part of the discussion starts at 10:20.

Look like Jako took or posted this video. I was not there.

msboude
as stated in the video, there's a reset on the chip, just not included in the patch bay. soldering iron and an 1/8" jack will most likely be a workaround if you really want a reset.

edit: oops yeah maybe not.
Rex Coil 7
bwhittington wrote:
I like the obviously deliberate choice to feature female synthesists in the demo. It's like the current gen Star Wars stuff, plus ladies rock.
Yea, ad agencies have mastered pandering long ago. It was far too obvious. Right with the shot of the Malcom X biography which some folks would find offensive AF. (quoting my wife after she saw the promo vid "So I see Moog is aiming at the hairy armpit crowd nowadays?").

lol oh fuck me ... lol lol that was some funny shit especially coming from her ... lol lol

goddammit ... I'm still laughing about that, and she said it days ago!

lol lol lol

Eichburger wrote:
Looking forward to a more measured demo without all the hipster guff.


+9349649149562943.954685488
msboude
alright.. so watching the video again, the sequencer is moved by a lfo (oscillator slowed down to lfo range). The reset on the oscillator clock is linked to the start/stop function that resets the oscillator so there is no "half step".

That halfway explains it. There would have to be a decade counter associated with the "clock" or oscillator to move the steps..... so you would have to tie the two resets together (clock and decade counter) so they both reset at the same time.

How else would you advance the steps without a decade counter?
greymadr
anselmi wrote:
greymadr wrote:
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset. If so, that might be annoying that the DFAM does not (if you tried to keep them in sync with the same steps).


I don´t think so, but you can define the last step of the sequencer


Defining the last step is awesome for the M32, but how would one use the M32 and DFAM together for anything other than 8 steps (and polyrhythms, I guess)?

I got really excited for this product, and it might have even got me to invest in the M32, but now I don't know. I probably use 8 steps most of the time, but I do love the option to do odd time signatures.
msboude
I should say, the reset is a non-issue for me. I just like figuring stuff out.
JakoGreyshire
I think Steve says somewhere in the beginning of the video that If someone was real smart they could modify the DFAM and trick it out…. Wish I was that smart..

hihi hihi
JakoGreyshire
greymadr wrote:
anselmi wrote:
greymadr wrote:
When I researched the Mother 32, I swear it had a reset. If so, that might be annoying that the DFAM does not (if you tried to keep them in sync with the same steps).


I don´t think so, but you can define the last step of the sequencer


Defining the last step is awesome for the M32, but how would one use the M32 and DFAM together for anything other than 8 steps (and polyrhythms, I guess)?

I got really excited for this product, and it might have even got me to invest in the M32, but now I don't know. I probably use 8 steps most of the time, but I do love the option to do odd time signatures.


I'm repeating my self a little bit here, but anyway… Last night I got the DFAM to do a five step odd time sequence…

You just gave me the idea to make the M32 do a seven step sequence and tempo sync it with the Dfam and have the DFAM do a five step sequence!!

Yeay!! applause

Thank you! See this is what I need for my upcoming video that I 'm working on. More crazy patch ideas…

Keep them coming please...
love
msboude
I'm just going to assume how the reset is done. it's an lfo that triggers a decade counter. the decade counter and lfo will need to have their reset pins tied together with a diode on the incoming reset jack.

edit: only thing you would have to worry about is there not being a diode on the line connected to the reset from the start stop.
GovernorSilver
JakoGreyshire wrote:


One voice….. yeah… but, last night I made a patch where I took the two VCOs out of the DFAM and into some VCAs. I effectively had three voices out of the DFAM. Bass, lead, and drums…. It was quite late so I could be exaggerating a bit. I think it was kind of a sonic illusion, but it was still fun to do…

If you can wait until it's out and then try it out in a store in person… I'd like to hear what you have to say then. I do think it's not for everyone. I certainly will have another one sometime soon..


I don't need to try it at a store - I'm already sold. cool I wasn't expecting the Moog version of an Analog Rytm, TR-808, or other established mold of a drum machine.

It did help that I went to a Mother-32 workshop last year, at which the Moog Music rep showed how to get kick, snare, and cymbal sounds - all in the same sequence - from a single unit, despite only one VCO. These aren't tricks new to the M32, but it was nice to hear them explained and demoed in person.
EMwhite
Steve's assertion (when asked about lack of reset in the vid) was that if you wanted to do things which are complex, just take clock from somewhere else (not to advance step but rather to trig) and use another sequencer for velocity and pitch CV.

Expert sleepers in front of Maschine would be great for this.

As is, DFAM looks to be a superb creative tool for immediate/improv and to jam to. Just listening to the demos, I feel a bass line that I want to play.

Can't blame Moog for turning the Werkstat into the M32 and to lead into this and for it not to be the do-all, end-all. There is a fair sized profit margin here.

I'll probably do as somebody else suggested, pick one up used later this year.
greymadr
JakoGreyshire wrote:

You just gave me the idea to make the M32 do a seven step sequence and tempo sync it with the Dfam and have the DFAM do a five step sequence!!

Yeay!! applause

Thank you! See this is what I need for my upcoming video that I 'm working on. More crazy patch ideas…

Keep them coming please...
love


I love your enthusiasm and I honestly can't wait to see what you do. It is hard to imagine how to workaround certain limitations why just going through hypotheticals, but deep down I know that finding a way is just a matter of time with the thing. Seeing you do something like that polyrhythm you described will very likely sway me back into the lust-for zone.
SunSpots
Listening to that engineer from moog talk himself out of a basic requirement like reset is incredible. How can someone so smart be so stupid?

SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS YOU - you know it's true. He's a smart, brilliant, stupid man. I'll never buy this. If you gave it to me I'd keep it lol
EMwhite
msboude wrote:
How else would you advance the steps without a decade counter?


They are probably just using a logic chip which advances when a pulse/rect wave (voltage high) is applied. In the earlier part of the video, Dunnington discusses how the topology of the sequence clock is very similar to that of the two OSCs except slowed way down so that it is an LFO. I've never seen one of these in the wild but 1 hz. (60 bpm) is not unheard of if you attenuate the voltage low enough.

Pin 17 of the 4017s (which I do not believe Moog are using else Steve would have simply said 'easy, just add a jack of button to this trace point') resets the Decade. Here is a very simple schematic that detail how all of the Baby10 derivatives function;



They are probably using an IC that they use 10's of thousands of rather than buying a special purpose chip that cost $0.40 or $0.50 a piece. FWIW, the decade chip is just that, a 10 step, so in order to do 8, you would need to reset before step 9.

Most of the general purpose ICs work on binary so you can get a 4 bit chip (e.g. up to 16 steps) and they may not have reset. Some, however are fancier than a 4017 and have up/down functionality (for instance).

You can build one up yourself with about $5 in parts (not counting pots/switches).
JakoGreyshire
SunSpots wrote:
Listening to that engineer from moog talk himself out of a basic requirement like reset is incredible. How can someone so smart be so stupid?

SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS YOU - you know it's true. He's a smart, brilliant, stupid man. I'll never buy this. If you gave it to me I'd keep it lol


Ha Ha!… There was a lot of talk I didn't record. It really came down to him running out of time… He told us the story about how he had the idea and thought it was cool. A couple of months passed by and he was working on other things at Moog.. then all the sudden it came down to crunch time and he had to get it done….. This commercial DFAM release was probably looked at real good before production. Hence the three new patch points that have been changed from the original Moogfest issue…

My impression was that he's a Busy Smart guy.
JakoGreyshire
I thought that this video deserves an honorable mention here… You've all probably seen it though… I just like the style of groove this guy has..

SunSpots
JakoGreyshire wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
Listening to that engineer from moog talk himself out of a basic requirement like reset is incredible. How can someone so smart be so stupid?

SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS YOU - you know it's true. He's a smart, brilliant, stupid man. I'll never buy this. If you gave it to me I'd keep it lol


Ha Ha!… There was a lot of talk I didn't record. It really came down to him running out of time… He told us the story about how he had the idea and thought it was cool. A couple of months passed by and he was working on other things at Moog.. then all the sudden it came down to crunch time and he had to get it done….. This commercial DFAM release was probably looked at real good before production. Hence the three new patch points that have been changed from the original Moogfest issue…

My impression was that he's a Busy Smart guy.


Ok I'll buy that...
MindMachine
calaveras wrote:
I find it to be a disheartening product. One voice is mildly dissapointing, but not a deal breaker if its the goods. The lack of anything more adventuresome than FM and high pass mode is kinda boring to me.
It would have been much more interesting if it had circuits akin to those used in the classic drum machines. As this is just like using any old monosynth to make drum sounds?
The sequencer with a row for velocity is a nice change.


Which tones you made did you find disheartening (which is a pretty heavy term)? From the demos I've heard, it sounds really good.
dubonaire
EMwhite wrote:
Steve's assertion (when asked about lack of reset in the vid) was that if you wanted to do things which are complex, just take clock from somewhere else (not to advance step but rather to trig) and use another sequencer for velocity and pitch CV.


A reset is not complex. A reset means that I can start and stop my master sequencer and know the DFAM will begin at the start again.
luketeaford
greymadr wrote:
but how would one use the M32 and DFAM together for anything other than 8 steps (and polyrhythms, I guess)?


I'd probably use M32's accents and last steps to achieve this. So maybe I'd have a 12 step sequence on M2 with accents as clocks on steps 1, 4, 7, and 10.

There's still a bit of awkwardness if you're going for 3/2 polyrhythm compared to doing this on Rene where X Gate could be divisions by 3 and Y Gate divisions by 2 with Rene running at full speed.
Samba
Can anyone comment on how well the DFAM acts as an expansion for the M32?

I find the idea of adding two additionnal Moog oscillators with FM and sync plus an additional filter very enticing. Almost like turning the pair into a patchable Minimoog.

Do the oscillators track well? Do they respond to v/oct cv?
greymadr
luketeaford wrote:
greymadr wrote:
but how would one use the M32 and DFAM together for anything other than 8 steps (and polyrhythms, I guess)?


I'd probably use M32's accents and last steps to achieve this. So maybe I'd have a 12 step sequence on M2 with accents as clocks on steps 1, 4, 7, and 10.

There's still a bit of awkwardness if you're going for 3/2 polyrhythm compared to doing this on Rene where X Gate could be divisions by 3 and Y Gate divisions by 2 with Rene running at full speed.


Thanks for the tip and you make a good point. I guess I could live with doing anything more complex with other sequencers on the occasion I wanted it.

I just really need to play the thing.
wiperactive
Samba wrote:


... I find the idea of adding two additionnal Moog oscillators with FM and sync plus an additional filter very enticing. Almost like turning the pair into a patchable Minimoog.

Do the oscillators track well? Do they respond to v/oct cv?


This twin oscillator/FM/Sync and filter arrangement also draws me in where the Mother 32 didn't. I'm hoping that combined with a few ancillary ADSR/LFO modules this could fare reasonably well as a decent synth voice (albeit with limited waveform options) in addition to it's percussion role.

According to the manual the oscillators should track accurately over 10 octaves using the 1 volt/octave CV input convention. Each oscillator can be controlled independently in this way if you wish.
luketeaford
Samba wrote:
Can anyone comment on how well the DFAM acts as an expansion for the M32?


It looks like it would be really cool to use a row of DFAM's sequencer to control depth of M32s filter cutoff envelope-- which really makes that type of sequencer come to life. I'm thinking here of Depeche Mode songs in general and "Dangerous" in particular.
Mikekiraly1
We (Control & Sonic Scenarios) got a little head start with the DFAM. Here's an initial right-out-of-the-box video demo. We'll have a thorough overview vid in the next few days. Feel free to ask questions, I'll try to answer what I can.

blech
Sounds good and looks like fun, but it's a bit cheeky for Moog to set the same price point for it as the Mother32. By comparison, the DFAM is a simpler synth voice, has a barely-there sequencer, has much less connectivity, no MIDI, no memory etc.

I'm not saying that those things are faults, but how much would anyone pay for this if it didn't have a sequencer? I'd say $400 dollars at the very most. So the implication is that those 8 steps of 60 year-old technology are worth hundreds of dollars. Nope. I'm not sold on that math, despite how cool it will look racked with a M32.

Yeah, it has the same form factor and "Mother" in the name, but let's not pretend that it wasn't a simpler product to design and manufacture. A huge portion of this thread is made up of folks trying to work out how to attach other things to it to improve the sequencer performance. That seems telling to me, but godspeed, and have fun with it.
JakoGreyshire
Mikekiraly1 wrote:
We (Control & Sonic Scenarios) got a little head start with the DFAM. Here's an initial right-out-of-the-box video demo. We'll have a thorough overview vid in the next few days. Feel free to ask questions, I'll try to answer what I can.



This video confused me greatly….

It was edited real good, but most of the sounds don't match the video. You have got lots of faster sequenced stuff going on and then the video shows the sequencer going real slow and nothing to indicate how that sound is created via the patch bay.. Knobs being wiggled and no sound changing.
At the end of the video there are sonic changes occurring that are clearly not the knobs that the hands are wiggling. Having a DFAM myself I could tell that maybe only 30-40% of the visuals matched the audio. Obviously it's not a tutorial video. The sounds are from the DFAM. However, It made me feel like you all are presenting smoke and mirrors.. At first I was like, "maybe mine DFAM is broken because mine doesn't sound like that with those settings!"….. Then the video went on to do more of the same… "Oh, yeah….. It's all for show… I understand now, I know a few video editors….. I get it."

Anyway, good video. I'm sure that not many people caught that as well as I did.

Wondering if you are going to do a video showing the sound patches and explanations of the synth?
JakoGreyshire
luketeaford wrote:
greymadr wrote:
but how would one use the M32 and DFAM together for anything other than 8 steps (and polyrhythms, I guess)?


I'd probably use M32's accents and last steps to achieve this. So maybe I'd have a 12 step sequence on M2 with accents as clocks on steps 1, 4, 7, and 10.

There's still a bit of awkwardness if you're going for 3/2 polyrhythm compared to doing this on Rene where X Gate could be divisions by 3 and Y Gate divisions by 2 with Rene running at full speed.


That's a cool idea… But then you couldn't use the DFAM's sequencer. Or you could have the sequencer going and have the M32's accents patched into the VCA in on the DFAM… The you would have different sounds happening at the accent strike. Sweet Idea!

It would be nice if the DFAM's sequencer could be patched out of the normaled path of the DFAM. Also, like if you could do that with the M32 as well. But you can't use these sequencers for anything else with out affecting the synth that the sequencer is attached to. (No breaking the normal)..

I've got a polyrhythm video I'll try to drop tonight… It's hastily made but it's kind of cool…. In my other posts I explained how to make an odd step sequence…. you can make it do 3, 5, or 7 steps…. Kind of cool how I figured that out with my brain, some cleaver patching, and the idea from you cleaver folks here… Thanks!
Mikekiraly1
Responding to JakoGreyshire:

You're partially right - I'll explain quickly and then respond to some of your specific comments.

First, I can tell you that each individual segment you hear is recorded direct from a single DFAM in a single take. There is no editing, multi-tracking or arranging edits. There is some compression and eq on the master to get consistent levels. If you think that those sequences are not possible with the settings you see, or you'd just like to try and re-create them, I'd be more than happy to send you pics of the DFAM panel prior to hitting record on each segment. Just PM me.

Each audio segment was recorded with the camera rolling. That was always the "main shot", usually a far shot with a wide angle.

Now here is my confession - subsequent camera angles are then filmed and edited in (without audio). However, at the beginning of each new camera shot, the DFAM is reset to the initial settings of the original "main shot".

Do the knob settings of the DFAM start to vary a little from shot to shot? Sure. If I tried for an exact 1-1 mirror, it would take me days.

The downside to this process is that there will undoubtedly be some inconsistencies. The upside to this process is that the viewer can see multiple angles and doesn't need to look at a single front facing wide shot for 5 minutes at a time.

JakoGreyshire wrote:
It was edited real good, but most of the sounds don't match the video.


Obviously I covered this a little above, but let me be say it again: everything you hear is from one setup. There is no post production audio doctoring.

JakoGreyshire wrote:
nothing to indicate how that sound is created via the patch bay.


Simple. That's because I never used the patch bay. Every single segment was created using a single DFAM. No interaction from any other gear. [EDIT - one of the segments uses the patch bay. It can be seen in the video]

JakoGreyshire wrote:
Knobs being wiggled and no sound changing.


That's more about my style of wiggling. I tend to be shy of large, sweeping knob changes especially when doing videos. Because I always try to do a single master take, and nothing ruins that possibility more than an exaggerated sonic change that sounds terrible.

JakoGreyshire wrote:
At the end of the video there are sonic changes occurring that are clearly not the knobs that the hands are wiggling.


Believe it or not, that isn't 100% true. Some shots are "mimed" but they are done so in the exact order and manner of the original main take. Perhaps the knob range change isn't exact. But if you see my hand turning the cutoff, then that is what was happening when it was initially recorded.

JakoGreyshire wrote:
Having a DFAM myself I could tell that maybe only 30-40% of the visuals matched the audio.


30% - 40% match because of the main take. But the setup is always reset to match the original patch.

JakoGreyshire wrote:
Wondering is you are going to do a video showing the sound patches and explanations of the synth?


Absolutely. We just wanted to get this out as quickly as possible now that it's shipping.


All of that being said, I appreciate the feedback and will try to do better next time. But even when it's not perfect, I feel this format is way better than just looking at a static front panel shot for the entire duration of the video.

Thanks,

Mike
JakoGreyshire
No, no…. I totally agree with what you are saying above there..And that's what I was trying to say without sounding like a Dick… Sorry If it came out a bit weird…..

No, It's totally a dfam track and it's an awesome video!

Like I said it just threw me out for a quick second when the sequencer was going real slow and the sounds were faster. Just for one moment I thought there was something wrong with my DFAm!!!

AHH!!... zombie

Thanks for the explanation… I totally get it… 30-40 % was not accurate… i only watched the video once… And I never thought that there was anything else in there but the DFAM…


Keep up the good work!
JakoGreyshire
The part from 1:11 to 1:45 …. very nice…..lots of patching….sequencer is moving slow but a lot happening….. Really like that patch….Can you post that patch here or PM me?

Actually can you post or Pm all the patches? Please?
Mikekiraly1
It was a fair observation on your part (and you didn't sound like a dick!).

And the inconsistencies you noticed are definitely something I freak out about. And that's why I always insist the audio be live and in a single take. I think the most important thing is to show what a product is actually capable of, and not just what can be edited together and finessed inside a DAW.

Again, I do truly appreciate the feedback. I'm not being snarky or insincere about that. I always want to know if there are things I can do better.

smile
JakoGreyshire
Cool.

thumbs up


I watched it again and thought that maybe the shutter speed on the camera was making the sequence look slow while the sounds were jamming out fast…

Catching the L.E.D.s at the right moment to make it look like it was advancing slowly…..

hmmm.....

Anyway… Good sounds there no doubt.
luketeaford
JakoGreyshire wrote:
That's a cool idea… But then you couldn't use the DFAM's sequencer.


Whaaat?! My intent would be to patch M32 Assign Output (set to accent) into DFAM Adv/Clock. I guess I could mult accent to trigger or whatever if necessary, but in my mind advancing the clock of the thing would fire the triggers, too. Am I missing something here? Could be a deal breaker for me.
luketeaford
Mikekiraly1 wrote:
We (Control & Sonic Scenarios) got a little head start with the DFAM. Here's an initial right-out-of-the-box video demo. We'll have a thorough overview vid in the next few days. Feel free to ask questions, I'll try to answer what I can.


Great video! For me, the sweet spots are pretty far away from that white noise into the filter sound (noise modulating the filter sounds rich though).

It doesn't look like there is a way to trigger any envelope individually, but this would be a useful feature for me (especially if all three were independent)

How low do the oscillators go from the panel? (Starting to notice omission of a static offset, a dedicated LFO, etc...)
JakoGreyshire
luketeaford wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
That's a cool idea… But then you couldn't use the DFAM's sequencer.


Whaaat?! My intent would be to patch M32 Assign Output (set to accent) into DFAM Adv/Clock. I guess I could mult accent to trigger or whatever if necessary, but in my mind advancing the clock of the thing would fire the triggers, too. Am I missing something here? Could be a deal breaker for me.


Yeah, your original idea didn't have much details to it…. I was just thinking out loud and expanding on your idea…

So, lets get detailed and suss it out.. We are talking about polyrhythms right?

Yes, if you advance the clock on the DFAM with accent triggers from the Mother32, the DFAM WILL make sound and advance to the next step..

Totally doable…. In fact I was doing that last night where I was sending, as an example, 8th notes into the trigger input and whole notes into the adv/clock in….. I was getting cool patterns on each step and when the clock would advance I was getting the pitch and trigger Out of the DFAM going into the mysteron making a cool whole noted bass lines…

With your idea. it would totally be a polyrhythm. You would not have the DFAMs sequencer running like I said, but you would be using the 8 steps of the DFAM and have the mother play the polyrhythm.. Very interesting because the rest would depend on how one customized the DFAMs 8 steps.

Good Job!

My polyrhythm I had going on… I was using only 5 steps from the DFAM and 7 steps from the mother32.. I'll show you how in the video… I got stuck going to work today.. so, it'll be later on.
sad banana

Does that make sense?
Samba
luketeaford wrote:

It looks like it would be really cool to use a row of DFAM's sequencer to control depth of M32s filter cutoff envelope-- which really makes that type of sequencer come to life.


I completely overlooked that. It seems the sequencer can be used as two parallel cv sequencers. The velocity out produces a unipolar 0-5v while the pitch out is a bi-polar -5 to 5v.
Mikekiraly1
luketeaford wrote:


It doesn't look like there is a way to trigger any envelope individually, but this would be a useful feature for me (especially if all three were independent)


The envelopes all trigger at the same time, but there is individual CV control of each envelope decay. Additionally, there are CV outs for each envelope, which can get interesting when you patch them back into the other envelope decay inputs.

luketeaford wrote:
How low do the oscillators go from the panel? (Starting to notice omission of a static offset, a dedicated LFO, etc...)


The oscillators seem to go low enough for almost anything you'd need in the audible range. There isn't a dedicated LFO, but you can patch the velocity or pitch sequence output back into most of the parameters, which means you can create some synced cycling modulation patterns.
JakoGreyshire
Samba wrote:
luketeaford wrote:

It looks like it would be really cool to use a row of DFAM's sequencer to control depth of M32s filter cutoff envelope-- which really makes that type of sequencer come to life.


I completely overlooked that. It seems the sequencer can be used as two parallel cv sequencers. The velocity out produces a unipolar 0-5v while the pitch out is a bi-polar -5 to 5v.


It's a sneaky little bugger! I'm still finding new things that I overlooked…
Tons of ways and things to do with it…

That's why I laugh inside when people complain about the price per features, limitations and whatnot… All boo hoo, boo hoo.
cry

My advice: Take a good long look at the patch bay and think about how you could patch it with the rest of your gear and how to patch it as a stand alone… I mean, that will only get you so far without trying it out in person, but the DFAM is deeper than expected.

Can I get a "Amen"?

hihi

I Love the DFAM.
@realwiggler
Thanks Jako and Mike for these vids, really appreciating what you all are coaxing out of the DFAM. Cheers!! beer!
JakoGreyshire
@realwiggler wrote:
Thanks Jako and Mike for these vids, really appreciating what you all are coaxing out of the DFAM. Cheers!! beer!


CHEERS!! I'm really glad Moog Released the DFAM because now we all can help each other out with ideas and patches! It's all about The Art, and the journey to The Art.

Side Note:
Right now, I was just thinking that Moog should make a T-shirt that says "DFAM inside", and have it look similar to and intel processor logo…..

hihi hihi
brianobush
luketeaford wrote:
...
It doesn't look like there is a way to trigger any envelope individually, but this would be a useful feature for me (especially if all three were independent)
...


There is a trigger in. From the DFAM signal flow diagram in the manual, it seems to trigger all three EGs (VCA, VCF and VCO).
luketeaford
Thanks for the follow-ups, Jako and Mike.

This definitely looks like a cool compliment to my 2 Mothers, but I might wait to get one secondhand.
JakoGreyshire
luketeaford wrote:
Thanks for the follow-ups, Jako and Mike.

This definitely looks like a cool compliment to my 2 Mothers, but I might wait to get one secondhand.


Just Curious…. How much would you pay for a used one? How much do you think they will be used?


Side note:
Two mother 32s and a DFAM would be cool to have… I probably won't buy another mother 32… I have one and I would like two DFAMs.. For now though I think I'm going to work on some cool jams with the Mother32, DFAm, and the werkstatt! Those three I do have…
JakoGreyshire
This is a video I made a while back showing the DFAM and Mother32.

It's kind of in your face drum beat, but the DFAM is doing the bass drum and the Mother is doing the snare…Bossa nova style..

I did the obligatory tempo speed up at the end… you can see all the wiggles and whatnot… Some of the wiggles you can tell I'm just discovering the mysteron and other knob functions around my system. It's a cool rhythm..

Gordon Cole
Nice they allow you to disable the sequencer from pitch, that was a big mistake on the last one.

But now they have both left out MIDI and more importantly not given a reset input or ability to choose number of steps in the sequence. Huge oversight. Very strange decisions going on over there.
brianobush
Gordon Cole wrote:

But now they have both left out MIDI and more importantly not given a reset input or ability to choose number of steps in the sequence. Huge oversight. Very strange decisions going on over there.


MIDI in my system is relegated to sending timing signal to my Waldorf KB37. My guess is that Eurorack enthusiasts would not really care for MIDI, and Moog played that card. For all else, this module is considered an expansion to the Mother 32 - which has MIDI.

I am a bit bummed about the sequencer, but at the same time I have plenty of Eurorack sequencers (e.g., trigger riot) to more than fit my desires. If they had a more expanded sequencer, I am sure I would find something to find that is missing.

I was planning on getting a HexInverter BD9 for kick duties, but since the DFAM has entered the playing field, it seems like a natural for bassline and bassdrum duties. Probably still get the BD9 someday, but for now the DFAM moves to the front of the queue. Want to hear Mr. D from Malekko though first before I pull the trigger. My planned use case is to trigger it from my drum rack; the onboard sequencer will be nice just to play with it as an instrument.
luketeaford
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Just Curious…. How much would you pay for a used one? How much do you think they will be used?


Street price is $600, so I'd hope to be able to get them for $500 new a couple times throughout the year (like I did with my Mothers). So the sweet spot for me is somewhere in the $400 range.
milkshake
Gordon Cole wrote:
Nice they allow you to disable the sequencer from pitch, that was a big mistake on the last one.

But now they have both left out MIDI and more importantly not given a reset input or ability to choose number of steps in the sequence. Huge oversight. Very strange decisions going on over there.


Not having a reset input is a real bummer.

That said, this thing is techno heaven.
JakoGreyshire
Okay, I kept it short and simple this time..

Here is the Polyrhythm patch:



I like to watch the Mother32's sequencer lights while I listen to the bass drum of the DFAM


Here is the youtube description:


Patch the DFAM's Pitch output into the Tempo input. Then turn the Pitch all the way counter clockwise on the steps you want to trigger. Turn the Pitch all the way clockwise on the steps you don't want to trigger.

During the triggered steps the Pitch is a uniform voltage (all the way Counter Clockwise). This keeps the interval between the steps in time. It also slows down the sequencer dramatically. To compensate this slowing down of overall time, adjust the Master Tempo knob clockwise until you get the speed you like.

On the steps that you don't want triggered the Pitch is so high in voltage that the sequencer rushes through those steps with the appearance of the steps being skipped. One can customize a sequence with one to seven steps with this patch trick. Also the triggered steps don't have to be next to each other. You can bring any step in or out of the sequence wherever and whenever you want.

With this patch, the Advance/clock input does not function properly. The Advance/Clock input seems to override the Tempo input playing all 8 steps in time when a clock is present in the ADV/Clock input. This could be useful as a performance Time/Tempo shift.

I forgot to check to make sure that all the patch cables are doing something to the sound/patch... I think there is one cable in there that is not doing anything to the sound you here... Opps... Oh well..
greymadr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Okay, I kept it short and simple this time..

Here is the Polyrhythm patch:


DAMN! applause

Shit sounded HOT! I didn't understand the lights on the M32's sequencer (never used one), but yeah the DFAM looked and sounded spot on with the timing.
Synth Con Meo
An acquaintance of mine: SlayerBadger!

JakoGreyshire
greymadr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Okay, I kept it short and simple this time..

Here is the Polyrhythm patch:


DAMN! applause

Shit sounded HOT! I didn't understand the lights on the M32's sequencer (never used one), but yeah the DFAM looked and sounded spot on with the timing.


Yeah I guess I didn't explain that part much... So, watching the lights on the mother 32's sequencer and hearing where the DFAMs bass drum lands on the Mothers' red L.E.D.s, you can see that the bass drum is always changing it's relation to the mothers' sequence..

Uh, did I explain that right?

Anyway you can hear the polyrhythm.. just a fun trick to do..
JakoGreyshire
Here is another Moog DFAM video for the DFAM fever that is going around...

@Synth Con Meo That delay (pingpong?) is great with the DFAM!
Side note: I like doing a variable CV feedback Karplus-Strong type delay with the DFAM...You can see that K-S action here: https://youtu.be/2TuTzS--18A

This is my latest:



Patch notes:

A Patch example showing the Moog DFAM as the only sound source creating a Bass Drum, Bass Line and a third part in a groove.

Using a Korg SQ-1 in random mode to sequence the Bass Line.
Moog DFAM's sequencer is playing the Bass Drum.
LFO wave from the Intellijel Dixie II+ is modulating VCO#2 of the Moog DFAM.
Both VCOs from the Moog DFAm are patched out of the DFAM into VCAs and then to the Make noise LxD low pass gate.
LxD is modulated by Maths.
greymadr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
greymadr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Okay, I kept it short and simple this time..

Here is the Polyrhythm patch:


DAMN! applause

Shit sounded HOT! I didn't understand the lights on the M32's sequencer (never used one), but yeah the DFAM looked and sounded spot on with the timing.


Yeah I guess I didn't explain that part much... So, watching the lights on the mother 32's sequencer and hearing where the DFAMs bass drum lands on the Mothers' red L.E.D.s, you can see that the bass drum is always changing it's relation to the mothers' sequence..

Uh, did I explain that right?

Anyway you can hear the polyrhythm.. just a fun trick to do..


Yeah I got it now. Watching it again I can't believe it confused me the first time. d'oh!

It was either your explanation or getting some sleep, whatever because it is awesome either way.

I am curious though, with the way you did this, did you find any sort of instability at higher clock speeds? We are totally out of the realm of anything that would be a game-changer or anything, just wondering.
JakoGreyshire
greymadr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
greymadr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Okay, I kept it short and simple this time..

Here is the Polyrhythm patch:


DAMN! applause

Shit sounded HOT! I didn't understand the lights on the M32's sequencer (never used one), but yeah the DFAM looked and sounded spot on with the timing.


Yeah I guess I didn't explain that part much... So, watching the lights on the mother 32's sequencer and hearing where the DFAMs bass drum lands on the Mothers' red L.E.D.s, you can see that the bass drum is always changing it's relation to the mothers' sequence..

Uh, did I explain that right?

Anyway you can hear the polyrhythm.. just a fun trick to do..


Yeah I got it now. Watching it again I can't believe it confused me the first time. d'oh!

It was either your explanation or getting some sleep, whatever because it is awesome either way.

I am curious though, with the way you did this, did you find any sort of instability at higher clock speeds? We are totally out of the realm of anything that would be a game-changer or anything, just wondering.


Honestly, I haven't gone too far with clocking at higher levels.. But you have given me an idea to try. At higher clock speeds the DFAM can produce a Harsh Oscillator type sound… You got me thinking of taming that high clock speed and see if I can get anything "musical" out of it..
It think I might have a trick that doesn't get used very often to make a complex oscillator out of it….

So far I have not noticed any instabilities with clocking...

Thanks for the idea! I'll let everyone know how it turns out…
JakoGreyshire
Samba wrote:
Can anyone comment on how well the DFAM acts as an expansion for the M32?

I find the idea of adding two additionnal Moog oscillators with FM and sync plus an additional filter very enticing. Almost like turning the pair into a patchable Minimoog.

Do the oscillators track well? Do they respond to v/oct cv?



It's fun to play with just the VCO section.. The FM amount, and Sync are great.

The VCO outputs are pre-filter for the 2017 MoogFest DFAM... I imagine it is the same on the 2018 public release.. However, maybe plugging one of the VCOs into the External In on the DFAM would put that VCO in the path of the filter...? Can anyone confirm this?

Anyway here is a very short video using just the VCO section:




Description from youtube:

Moog DFAM! Drummer from another Mother. This video demonstrates the VCO section of the DFAM. The oscillators are tuned to G and D.

Korg SQ-1 is sequencing pitch data to VCO 1 and 2 and supplying the gates that are triggering a Make Noise Contour and another Contour section on the Make Noise 0-Coast.. These ADSRs are controlling VCAs which the VCOs are patched into. You can see the ADSR shapes on the Mordax Data Scope at full screen...not really important here..

This is to show a small example of the VCO section and how it may be used without the rest of the DFAM..

Uh oh!! There is one patch cable in there that is not doing anything! Can you find it? Where's the dummy patch cable?!?!
jido_genshi
My latest video is up featuring the Moog DFAM and three Mother-32s; with effects on the Mothers from the Empress "Echosystem Dual Engine Delay" (on the bottom and middle Mother-32s) and Strymon El Capistan (on the top Mother-32) and on the DFAM, the Retro Mechanical Labs "Electron Fuzz Custom" and Erica Synths "Black Hole DSP".

I have a couple of other videos I did on the new DFAM (and thanks to @Synth Con Meo for sharing one of my videos. Hmm, who are you I wonder?)

JakoGreyshire
@jido_genshi Very Nice!! Oh yeah!
wiperactive
JakoGreyshire wrote:
@jido_genshi Very Nice!! Oh yeah!


I second that.. beautifully integrated sounds there! applause
msboude
jido_genshi wrote:





Very nice!

I'm so pumped.. can't wait for mine to show up on my doorstep! Oh the agony!
JakoGreyshire
Nice video Mike! Such clarity to everything you've made here. Camera, lighting, Script, and audio... Your hard work really shows though... How many more videos do you have planned?




I thought I'd post it for posterity of this thread..
Mikekiraly1
Thank you very much! There will be one more video and it will cover the patch bay. It will include examples of both internal and external patch routings. I will try my best to make it useful for users of all skill and experience levels. I expect it to be posted in the next few days.
handsomepanther
spinning spinning spinning spinning Dancing Star I have not yet heard a single sound come out of that thing that I didn't love Lotsa Love
Muse FTW
These demos are making it hard to resist.
JakoGreyshire
Here is another patching idea:



It's fun to try.. Not really "music/song" material, but if you are into noise then give it a try..

cool
greymadr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Here is another patching idea:



It's fun to try.. Not really "music/song" material, but if you are into noise then give it a try..

cool


Sounds very musical to me! I'm not even joking or thinking about it in a noise context. SlayerBadger!
spacezignul
I think im replacing my mother with a DFAM. I think it does the same as the mother and more. Plus this sequencer is so much more fun to use
JakoGreyshire
Thanks greymadr.... I actually recorded 60 minutes of audio rate clocking... I had so much fun with it... There would have been more examples of clean and noisy audio rate clocking but My hard drive ran out of space so I had to make a short "example video"...


@spacezignul I personally wouldn't replace my mother-32 for a DFAM. They both have great things that compliment each other and they are both desktop synths so no problem with HP space etc...


Check out the Mother-32 videos I posted on this thread here: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190962&highlight=

Or Click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=WQtBCWhzuSk

It is a video showing my performance with only the mother-32. With creative patching the Mother-32 can sequence Drums, bass, and a lead line with nothing but the Mother!!! Then I was playing solo lines by hand with a resonant filter and made a drone with the mysteron just for atmosphere.. The Mother can do some amazing stuff.... I'd say don't get rid of it... Just my thoughts though..

PS. I didn't want to embed this Mother-32 video here on the DFAM thread. Trying to keep the embedded videos on topic per thread.. If you all want to talk about the awesomeness of the mother-32 and the cleaver patching it can do, lets chat over in the other thread...

P.P.S. Back to the DFAM.... Anyone who doesn't have a DFAM already got any questions or ideas of patches? I've got some more ideas for the future but I'll need a couple of days off from work to get around to it... For instance there is a patch to get vocal formant type sounds of out of the DFAM... It's cool... YAO YAO!

hihi
Shledge
This has got my interest. I'm a sucker for snappy percussive stuff.
behndy
not an asshat question, truly curious -

taking the sequencer totally out of the equation (no choice of step length plus no reset is..... an odd choice), what would one really gain from adding this to a modular heavy setup over a module like the Basimilus or Akemi's Taiko?

seems like a LOT more money for a LOT more space for a single voice?

sounds good though.
spacezignul
behndy wrote:
not an asshat question, truly curious -

taking the sequencer totally out of the equation (no choice of step length plus no reset is..... an odd choice), what would one really gain from adding this to a modular heavy setup over a module like the Basimilus or Akemi's Taiko?

seems like a LOT more money for a LOT more space for a single voice?

sounds good though.


THE sound.. The filter... That should be enough no
Muse FTW
behndy wrote:
not an asshat question, truly curious -

taking the sequencer totally out of the equation (no choice of step length plus no reset is..... an odd choice), what would one really gain from adding this to a modular heavy setup over a module like the Basimilus or Akemi's Taiko?

seems like a LOT more money for a LOT more space for a single voice?

sounds good though.


I think it's mostly for people who enjoy semi-modular gear and/or already have Mother-32's. You get those Moog oscillators, filter, etc... and the build quality will be high.

Personally it doesn't do much for me sonically because things like Akemie's Taiko/Castle or Basilimus have a much wider palette of sounds, and I already have sequencers.
behndy
lol. not.... really? as always, just saying for ME. but it seems like a loooot of expensiveness in monies and hp for..... somw good stuff?

would love to play with one in person, just on paper doesn't appeal to me.

but i get the appeal of MOOOOOOG loots.
NoLegs
I think it has a very different character than the modules you mentioned. I think it will complement my Noise Eng stuff perfectly.

I also think the sequencer will be a great performance tool. I’m curious to experiment with adding more dynamics to my patches by sending velocity from the Sequencer out to other modules. The ability to patch out the 3 different EG’s will be a bunch of fun as well. One of my favorite things about the Noise Eng LIP is sending the Envelope out to other voices in my rack, and this has 3 of them.
fragster
I’m kind of attracted to the workflow, as shown in the Sonic Scenario demo above, AND the sound. And the Moog factor.

Yes, costs more than the BIA but seems easier and more ”direct”. The BIA might have a larger palette thou.

The hp doesn’t bother me. Never really understood that argument. Cases are cheaper than whatever is in them so... hmmm.....
behndy
lol. where, suh, are you getting your cases? i am JELLY.

again, i'm just talking about my viewpoint and how i look at geae acquisitions. but for me to give up a third of a row to something, it's got to be AMAZING. and unique.

and while this sounds gooooood, just doesn't seem like it fits into that category.

at least for me.
3phase
DougD wrote:
The Moog guy at the NYC modular thing last weekend said that they weren't releasing it because they were worried the target market would be "confused" that it wasn't a full drum machine. However, they might use the concepts / circuits in future products.

seriously, i just don't get it


They should look at the second hand price a pearl syncussion gets these days, and reconsider...
NoLegs
I admit, I am not putting this in a case, and neither are my 2 mother-32’s. I prefer keeping semi modular on their own.
spacezignul
I get your point tho put putting this in the same class as a Basimilus and a Taiko is ludicrous. I have a Loquelic which I like but more often than not the Loquelic in the context of a track just disapears in the mix and altough I haven't got a Basimilus I'm afraid it will be the same

The only thing I can see getting close to the DFAM in terms of sound is the SSF entity which is a beast of a module, other than that I'm pretty sure the DFAM blows everything out quite easilly

But anyway it's all a matter of personal preferences and what works best for each one
JakoGreyshire
I was seriously considering getting a BIA.. I always wanted to do a video comparison or duo performance with the DFAM and BIA...

I've never had a chance to play with the BIA.... Some people say it sounds the same after awhile. Maybe it gets harder to make it sound different?..?

Can someone send me a BIA so I can do a video?

hihi hihi


Joking aside... The DFAM is real fun to inbreed patch, and I can get it to do so many different things.... Rain drops, gunshots, Formant vocals, grooves, bass lines, just using the VCO outs, pretend harmonic Oscillators, use the envelope out for other parts of the modular.....etc... I'm still discovering things too.

I'm sure the BIA can do a lot as well,... I've just never played one.

If you do modular live then the DFAM will take up HP in your rack...If you do modular mostly in your studio then it comes with it's own case and can sit on your desktop. No HP involved, just desk space.

BIA... DFAM....Taiko...... I guess we could open up the can of worms labeled analog vs. digital, but lets not go there unless we have to... They all sound good, and they all are awesome! (DFAM is all analog)

For me, personally, I have a lot of fun patching and exploring the DFAM. I don't know yet but I feel like the BIA would get boring after a while.

Any BIA owners can say anything about this? Does it get same-y sounding? Or is it a versatile beast that can do lots of different sonic things?

Muse FTW wrote:

I think it's mostly for people who enjoy semi-modular gear and/or already have Mother-32's. You get those Moog oscillators, filter, etc... and the build quality will be high.

Personally it doesn't do much for me sonically because things like Akemie's Taiko/Castle or Basilimus have a much wider palette of sounds, and I already have sequencers.


"DFAM is for semi modular people and those who already have a mother-32"...
Uh, no. It's straight up for modular people of all types. One doesn't need a mother-32 to play with the DFAM. They go together real nice, sure, but the DFAM goes with anything modular I throw at it... Are you saying that people who enjoy semi modular gear don't also enjoy modular gear? Modular is modular.. Am I wrong here? Is there some segregation that I missed when I signed up for modular synth addiction? Are there really people out there who only buy semi modular synths? I didn't know this was a thing... " The wide world of semi modular!!"

It's hard to say that something has a wider palette of sounds than something else unless one personally spends a great deal of time testing said palettes...

For many of us, all we have to go on are online videos to judge sonic palettes and the ones I've seen for Taiko and BIA make me think their sonic palettes are limited and can't break free of what they were designed to sound like... I could be wrong.. I admit that I have not played the BIA or Taiko.. I also admit that the DFAM can sometimes sound the same after awhile, but I manage to coax something new out of it if I want to every time it gets stale. I've had the DFAM for 8 months now and it still amazes me.. I guess we need more tricky videos of the Taiko and the BIA, eh?

Bhendy, I've been watching your awesome videos for some time now.(Subbed) I understand your question perfectly. You seem to have some serious G.A.S. going on lately and you probably don't have any space for a DFAM anywhere!
hihi hihi
Keep up the good work on those videos.


Someone please send me a BI or BIA!! Oh and a Taiko! help

hihi hihi

P.S. Please don't buy the DFAM.. Unless you want to.... But, don't buy it anyway..
Aw Heck! Go buy one.... Wait! Don't do it! You don't need one! The DFAM is too big!(sonically) 599$ is way too much for a pair of voyager VCOs, Moog HP/LP filter, FM, hard sync, sequencer with velocity, and envelopes with three CV adjustable decays... Foaget about it!
Seriously, you don't need one.... Too big... way too big... And you already have a sequencer with adjustable velocity on each step.

Also, please show me some good new videos of the Taiko and BIA. Just try not to embed them on this thread please.
JakoGreyshire
Here is a quick little example of some Formant sounds from the DFAM:

Synth Con Meo
JakoGreyshire wrote:
P.S. Please don't buy the DFAM.. Unless you want to.... But, don't buy it anyway..
Aw Heck! Go buy one.... Wait! Don't do it! You don't need one! The DFAM is too big!(sonically) 599$ is way too much for a pair of voyager VCOs, Moog HP/LP filter, FM, hard sync, sequencer with velocity, and envelopes with three CV adjustable decays... Foaget about it!
Seriously, you don't need one.... Too big... way too big... And you already have a sequencer with adjustable velocity on each step.


I took your advice here and didn't buy one....... but mine is supposed to be delivered today..... well if I ordered one it would be....... but I didn't........so I would be lying if I said I was looking forward to messing with it tonight...... that is since I didn't buy one......... except that I am going to have fun with it after work.....
JakoGreyshire
Synth Con Meo wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
P.S. Please don't buy the DFAM.. Unless you want to.... But, don't buy it anyway..
Aw Heck! Go buy one.... Wait! Don't do it! You don't need one! The DFAM is too big!(sonically) 599$ is way too much for a pair of voyager VCOs, Moog HP/LP filter, FM, hard sync, sequencer with velocity, and envelopes with three CV adjustable decays... Foaget about it!
Seriously, you don't need one.... Too big... way too big... And you already have a sequencer with adjustable velocity on each step.


I took your advice here and didn't buy one....... but mine is supposed to be delivered today..... well if I ordered one it would be....... but I didn't........so I would be lying if I said I was looking forward to messing with it tonight...... that is since I didn't buy one......... except that I am going to have fun with it after work.....


lolspew

Nice! I fully support your decision..

applause applause
behndy
JakoGreyshire wrote:

Bhendy, I've been watching your awesome videos for some time now.(Subbed) I understand your question perfectly. You seem to have some serious G.A.S. going on lately and you probably don't have any space for a DFAM anywhere!
hihi hihi
Keep up the good work on those videos.



d'awwwwwww thanks meng. it's been fun trying to learn some modular goodness.

but yeah. mebbe i'm just spoilt for choice at this point, that's why this doesna appeal that hard.

again, doesssssss sound good though.
JakoGreyshire
behndy wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:

Bhendy, I've been watching your awesome videos for some time now.(Subbed) I understand your question perfectly. You seem to have some serious G.A.S. going on lately and you probably don't have any space for a DFAM anywhere!
hihi hihi
Keep up the good work on those videos.



d'awwwwwww thanks meng. it's been fun trying to learn some modular goodness.

but yeah. mebbe i'm just spoilt for choice at this point, that's why this doesna appeal that hard.

again, doesssssss sound good though.

bhendy you do have a BIA right? Or did you get a manis?..
Yeah, just poking fun at you... Honestly, every time I see your new videos I get a bit jelly.. I think, "whoa he done got that module there.. That wasn't in the last video!" ....

sad banana

I filled out all my available HP, so I'm not looking at any more modules for the time being...

I've been watching a lot of DFAM videos... New ones keep popping up all the time and there are some real crappy DFAM vids out there..ugghh...
People are giving bad comments about the DFAM based on the limited experience of the DFAM owners. DFAM fever is spreading and people just want to show a video of them exploring the synth.. It's rather entertaining and funny actually... I mean, my videos are not that great but I think they have a purpose and I try to not show wiggles that are not thought out.

I have to say that the crappy DFAM videos are a good thing. Maybe it's separating the wheat from the chaff?

It's given me a lot to think about.

I would still love to see the BIA and DFAm working together... Does anyone know if the BIA can do formant sounds?
behndy
yes suh, i DO have a BIA. when i got a Manis i let a bud borrow it. donnnnnnnn't have room for both.

lol. just found out we have to either buy the house we have rented forever or move, so. my purchasing is going on PAUSE for a bit.

BIA is beautiful and angry and loverly, but does not do formants very well.
JakoGreyshire
behndy wrote:
yes suh, i DO have a BIA. when i got a Manis i let a bud borrow it. donnnnnnnn't have room for both.


Wha....? jawdrop


hihi

Well, I've always wanted to see BIA and Manis making beats together...


I hope your move is not troublesome..
NoLegs
JakoGreyshire wrote:
behndy wrote:
yes suh, i DO have a BIA. when i got a Manis i let a bud borrow it. donnnnnnnn't have room for both.


Wha....? jawdrop


hihi

Well, I've always wanted to see BIA and Manis making beats together...


I hope your move is not troublesome..


Can confirm, it’s a great combo. Rockin' Banana!
rean1mator
anyone know when the next batch will be available at retailers like sweetwater?
i pre-ordered mine at sweetwater but they sold out and waiting on next batch.
Synth Con Meo
rean1mator wrote:
anyone know when the next batch will be available at retailers like sweetwater?
i pre-ordered mine at sweetwater but they sold out and waiting on next batch.


I know some people loath them but GC shows they have them in stock to order. I ordered and received mine from there. I actually had $100 in Gear Card points so that helped to. Plus they are about a block away from work so I can just pick up my order from there.
jcn7
OK, so I just received mine last evening. I knew it would have that "wow" factor...but WOW does it have that "wow" factor!

It, like it's predecessor (M32) is solidly built, easy to use yet with all sorts of possibilities, and most of all...it has "THAT" sound! smile I think it's the best money I have spent on hardware...and I've had a ton of gear over my lifespan. Best bang for the buck IMHO.

Thank you Moog for making these available to the public! Now what will they make next in their lineup for this series? smile
calnyc
rean1mator wrote:
anyone know when the next batch will be available at retailers like sweetwater?
i pre-ordered mine at sweetwater but they sold out and waiting on next batch.


Mine is on backorder at Sweetwater. I ordered about a week and a half ago and have a late-Feb estimate from my rep for shipping.
anselmi
jcn7 wrote:
OK, so I just received mine last evening. I knew it would have that "wow" factor...but WOW does it have that "wow" factor!

it has "THAT" sound! smile I think it's the best money I have spent on hardware...and I've had a ton of gear over my lifespan. Best bang for the buck IMHO.


I think this is the main selling factor of this thing, more important than a zillion features IMHO

I was trying to replicate the DFAM with euro modules, since the architecture isn´t complex, but the sound results was different, and in general not so good sounding to my ears...also, I had to tweak a lot to find sweet spots, while the DFAM seems to sound great in most settings...this is something I´m looking for in any synth over most esoteric features
jcn7
anselmi wrote:
jcn7 wrote:
OK, so I just received mine last evening. I knew it would have that "wow" factor...but WOW does it have that "wow" factor!

it has "THAT" sound! smile I think it's the best money I have spent on hardware...and I've had a ton of gear over my lifespan. Best bang for the buck IMHO.


I think this is the main selling factor of this thing, more important than a zillion features IMHO

I was trying to replicate the DFAM with euro modules, since the architecture isn´t complex, but the sound results was different, and in general not so good sounding to my ears...also, I had to tweak a lot to find sweet spots, while the DFAM seems to sound great in most settings...this is something I´m looking for in any synth over most esoteric features


Same here. IMHO, there is nothing like having the "REAL" thing.
chaosick
behndy wrote:
lol. where, suh, are you getting your cases? i am JELLY.

again, i'm just talking about my viewpoint and how i look at geae acquisitions. but for me to give up a third of a row to something, it's got to be AMAZING. and unique.

and while this sounds gooooood, just doesn't seem like it fits into that category.

at least for me.


It seems purely about money to me. Moog has basically not made anything that wasn't a monosynth/rehash of a rehash of a minimoog since..what, the Sonic 6? Polymoog (which wasn't really produced by Bob, right?) Monosynth ladder filter rinse repeat. It's all about the slick marketing as far as I can tell. They're headed down the path of Roland as far as I'm concerned.
Xmit
^
but their instruments sound so fucking good... & musicians continue to buy them... so....

I suppose you could argue Rolls Royce have effectively beem making the same
motor car over & over again for nearly a century... ?
anselmi
chaosick wrote:
It seems purely about money to me. Moog has basically not made anything that wasn't a monosynth/rehash of a rehash of a minimoog since..what, the Sonic 6? Polymoog (which wasn't really produced by Bob, right?) Monosynth ladder filter rinse repeat. It's all about the slick marketing as far as I can tell. They're headed down the path of Roland as far as I'm concerned.


I partially agree with you about the lack of polysynths, not only from Moog, but from most of manufacturers. I can´t understand why is taking so long to reach polyphony in today´s technology. I expected Arturia releases their own at this namm but they presented just another monosynth, that no matter the fact it´s a great one, it´s still the same kind of product with a different feature set.

Xmit wrote:
^
but their instruments sound so fucking good... & musicians continue to buy them... so....

I suppose you could argue Rolls Royce have effectively beem making the same
motor car over & over again for nearly a century... ?


I also agree with you: Moog is classic and their instruments got this timeless charm. People coming into my studio always ask for the Moog because it´s very eye-catching, even people that are not into synths.
And of course the sound is as classic as the look, no matter the innovations. You can tell the Sub 37 is a Moog from the XXI century from both the look and the sound, half classic/half modern. I like this kind of mixture and I think it´s great to have classic instruments directions like guitarists got telecasters and AC30s
chaosick
Xmit wrote:
^
but their instruments sound so fucking good... & musicians continue to buy them... so....

I suppose you could argue Rolls Royce have effectively beem making the same
motor car over & over again for nearly a century... ?


They only sound so good to me if you've been living in a vacuum. Marketing. Like I said, everything they've been making is a rehash of a rehash of the minimoog, which is superior to anything they've put out since then..if you want to talk about monosynths and head to head, AJH Synth makes modules that are sonically deeper and more interesting than anything Moog has made since this era, or possibly ever, and the MFB Dominion 1 beats the pants off anything Moog has made, for starters.
chaosick
Topazy wrote:
Hey!
With everything that’s going on, always bittersweet funny to see dudes refusing to accept that promoting female artists visibility is a good thing. We are very far from a society where it would be kinda awkward and meaningless, hopefully we’ll get there. I’m glad Moog proudly went that way to advertise the DFAM, in a sensible manner, since the demonstration of the product is still by far the main focus . Nowadays, any action in that direction should be appreciated, at worst it should ignored; it is not ridiculous nor weird, like, seriously ?
I won’t comment further on this.
I am pretty into this DFAM, great demonstration of its raw sound. Reminds me of the Leploop somehow, always was curious about this groovebox, I wander if they somehow compare ? hmmm.....
_________________
"There is nothing permanent except change."-Topazy.


Yeah, lets ask Suzanne Ciani and other accomplished female artists what she thinks of all this very awkward advertising highlighting the achievements of female artists, and um, yeah, the shot of the Hi-Def clip of your expensive apartment surrounded by cassettes and "cool political" books it was probably the job of a certain set person to go out and buy to stage the scene...right. (MONEY MONEY)

This kind of reminds me of conversations I've had with my (female) partner who's a film maker about the recent Wonder Woman. In her own words (that I agree with), she is supposed to be happy about a film directed by a woman and starring a woman...but it's a clunky shlocky action superhero film that cost loads of money and is designed to make even more money..that's the primary purpose. Anyways, I'm sure Moog will be tapping its expert marketers about the pulse of what sells for many years to come, since they don't seem to care about actually making anything but some rehash of the same analogue monosynth..*yawn*
Sonic 6 is arguably the most interesting thing they ever made (and it wasn't even designed by Bob). Thank you AJH Synth for cloning it and then some, you guys are the best!!
JakoGreyshire
Nowadays I tend to ignore gender. What really gets me is when someone posts a video saying that THIS person is the shit right here, watch them do cool stuff with the DFAM(or other module), and the person is actually sucking at what they are doing. It's all about the technique and the sounds they make... Some are talented and others are hacks... Obviously, whether they are talented or a hack is up to personal opinion by the viewer.

Everyone is a musician, DJ, Producer, Performer because of technology made easy to acquire and consume. Spend time on perfecting your groove/sound and it will show. I'm not the best or worst but I'm working on improving. I think it helps to ignore the world a little bit just to not get caught up in something that would take me down the wrong road sometimes... Example: Trends, public opinion, politics, blah blah.... It's actually rather amusing really.... I see a shit video and shitty comments and I laugh.. Oh man, I will try to do better... If I have the time and energy to do so.. I try real hard to not post bad DFAm videos here and then talk shit about them... Oh man, I hold myself back... I do.... Even those people making bad videos deserve some encouragement to get better. Let's all jump on the encouragement wagon, eh?


I like the way Bana uses the DFAM here.. It's also nice to see her Skiff that accompanies the DFAM and Mother-32. This video gives me ideas of where to take the DFAM and what other modules people are using with the DFAM...

If you don't know by now, Bana Haffar is talented. It's not a DFAM heavy video, but I thought this video should be on the DFAM thread for posterity and the other things I mentioned above. (modular setup and interaction etc...)

Enjoy:

Xmit
Quote:
They only sound so good to me if you've been living in a vacuum.


no, sorry I can't agree with that. A couple of Moog VCOs tuned & through their ladder filter sounds great. End of. It's a timeless sound. Like a Bosendorfer grand or a Hammond B3 tonewheel. It is what it is. And it sounds superb & is relatable to whole bunch of styles & genres still in the 21st century.
chaosick
Xmit wrote:
Quote:
They only sound so good to me if you've been living in a vacuum.


no, sorry I can't agree with that. A couple of Moog VCOs tuned & through their ladder filter sounds great. End of. It's a timeless sound. Like a Bosendorfer grand or a Hammond B3 tonewheel. It is what it is. And it sounds superb & is relatable to whole bunch of styles & genres still in the 21st century.


Sure..but let's stop acting like it's the most and best inventive thing ever and every time Moog does the nth reissue of it like it's something groundbreaking.
NoLegs
Yeah, I really don’t see the majority of people saying anything close to that. Maybe calm down a little. Dead Banana
AW198
chaosick wrote:
Xmit wrote:
Quote:
They only sound so good to me if you've been living in a vacuum.


no, sorry I can't agree with that. A couple of Moog VCOs tuned & through their ladder filter sounds great. End of. It's a timeless sound. Like a Bosendorfer grand or a Hammond B3 tonewheel. It is what it is. And it sounds superb & is relatable to whole bunch of styles & genres still in the 21st century.


Sure..but let's stop acting like it's the most and best inventive thing ever and every time Moog does the nth reissue of it like it's something groundbreaking.


To be fair, with the DFAM Moog have taken their great core sound and DID do something inventive and interesting with it.
booger
Quote:
To be fair, with the DFAM Moog have taken their great core sound and DID do something inventive and interesting with it.


I completely agree. I think it's a fairly unique design in terms of a percussion synthesizer. I really want to get one to see how it mates with my Shared System. The DFAM paired up with a Tempi and MATHS would probably be bananas. Animal!
Tumulishroomaroom
I've rewatched the promo video and I really want one of those. It sounds very very good and looks incredibly hands on + endless Digitakt sample food. It's still a bit expensive and doesn't even seem to have reached European shores yet though. Might try and wait until a few pop up second hand but I'm not entirely sure I'll manage.
AW198
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I've rewatched the promo video and I really want one of those. It sounds very very good and looks incredibly hands on + endless Digitakt sample food. It's still a bit expensive and doesn't even seem to have reached European shores yet though. Might try and wait until a few pop up second hand but I'm not entirely sure I'll manage.
I'm going to give it 6 months to a year and then get one off eBay for £450, like I did with my mother 32s.
Xmit
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Sure..but let's stop acting like it's the most and best inventive thing ever and every time Moog does the nth reissue of it like it's something groundbreaking
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I don't think anyone has said that have they ? ( although actually, as peeps above have pointed out, it is a pretty unique little thing maybe - nothing else *quite* like it ...? )

I was just making the point that Moog are successful 'cos their stuff always sounds great ( ok, like a Moog... but hey that's their USP, no ? ) is well built & musicians will always want to buy it.

Only in the world of synthesizers is there this manian for reinventing the wheel, constantly. Yes, new stuff is great but also new that does what the old stuff did but in new package isn't really a problem is it ? There's clearly a market for it.
clipper
AW198 wrote:
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I've rewatched the promo video and I really want one of those. It sounds very very good and looks incredibly hands on + endless Digitakt sample food. It's still a bit expensive and doesn't even seem to have reached European shores yet though. Might try and wait until a few pop up second hand but I'm not entirely sure I'll manage.
I'm going to give it 6 months to a year and then get one off eBay for £450, like I did with my mother 32s.

this is exactly what I'm gonna do Guinness ftw!
I can see more DFAM on the second hand market than the M32
Xmit
I'm going to buy one at trade price through my work , like I did with my 2 x Mothers ... hihi
automat
It is called modular for a reason. You already have all the modules you need. Don't believe me? Well then check out my patch to replicate the DFAM in VCVRack: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=195731

Enjoy! And start patching up your modular to replicate the DFAM (kudos for this idea goes out to Mylar Melodies).

msboude
That setup looks like more than $599
Shledge
Yeah, it's free. razz
SPIKE the Percussionist
Shledge wrote:
Yeah, it's free. razz


and you can't "touch" it because it's a virtual synth.

i generally have no interest in something without an actual tactile interface for the noiz weapon.
JakoGreyshire
automat wrote:
It is called modular for a reason. You already have all the modules you need. Don't believe me? Well then check out my patch to replicate the DFAM in VCVRack: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=195731

Enjoy! And start patching up your modular to replicate the DFAM (kudos for this idea goes out to Mylar Melodies).



Is it just me or is your tone kind of condescending? We know what modular is and we believe you tried to recreate the DFAM by making a patch in software.

Mylar melodies came up with this idea? Can you show where he came up with this idea? Also why are crediting Mylar with this? I'm pretty sure he wasn't the only one who thought about doing this. Actually everyone who wanted a DFAM and couldn't get one thought of doing this. Please explain.
[EDIT:]I see that your youtube video shows where mylar said this on his patreon page… So, the credit goes to him for giving you the idea to try this…Okay I see now… Got it![/EDIT]

If you read the first page of this thread it was the OP who was asking about recreating the DFAm with modules, and a few people have attempted to do just that. People are having an easier time doing it with modules now that the DFAM manual has come out and showed the architecture/layout of the DFAM. I think most people agree that it doesn't sound the same when recreated in hardware, software or anywhere (Armpit Orchestras).

There is a video on youtube of someone doing it with a Nord Modular.





I think you could have just posted your video on this thread and not created a new DFAM thread, and just said "hey check this out."

Many people including myself have had new threads locked down trying to start a DFAM thread that was slightly different. It would be nice if the OP could just change the Topic to "Moog DFAM" instead of "Damn. DFAM."… Everything DFAM related gets put on one thread to keep the forum more organized… Not my rules here, it's just how the Mods work it…


Your video sounds like drums alright… But can you make it sound like the DFAM? I have not seen a recreation that even comes close to sounding like the DFAM. Not yet anyway… I'd like to see one.

Sorry if I sound like a dick, but your post made it sound like Mylar came up with the DFAM challenge idea and you were the first one to prove it could be attempted. ("As if we didn't believe you")
It would help if you explain with some more detail next time so people don't have to fill in the blanks, which is what people are good at doing.

Good job on the video. Now, get to modulating the envelope decays and show us another jamming video. I am interested in your findings….

Also how many virtual HP did your patch take up?
anselmi
you obviously didn´t read the previous 8 pages of this thread, because this was already discussed here

the architecture of the DFAM is plain simple and of course you can replicate it quite easily with modules, but the results are not the same in terms of sound...I already tried it with different modules (even using the M32´s filter) without sounding that good as the real thing.

also, in modular there is a huge range of possibilities, but the DFAM is much more focused and have a big sweet spot.


automat wrote:
It is called modular for a reason. You already have all the modules you need. Don't believe me? Well then check out my patch to replicate the DFAM in VCVRack: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=195731

Enjoy! And start patching up your modular to replicate the DFAM (kudos for this idea goes out to Mylar Melodies).

JakoGreyshire
anselmi I was thinking of you in particular when I wrote my post above yours. It would be neat to watch videos of your recreation efforts back then… I would like to see anyones' efforts of the DFAM challenge…

Enjoy the show!
automat
OK just to recap all I did was sharing my work with the community as a base for learning and understanding. Maybe that was wrong, or I used the wrong words to convey my enthusiasm but I am no native speaker, and I am "Learning to Wiggle" as it says under my moniker.

I was sharing this work in the hope a fruitful discussion of where my "virtual" patch might be wrong improves my understanding of the issues involved. I never claimed the result sounded anything like the original, nor was that my intention. My intention was to understand how such an innovative instrument is made from things we already know and often already own. What can we learn from that approach?

From my experience with VCVRack, and this ws the first time I used it, I can see that it would be great to try out ideas if it weren't as resource hungry as it is. It is certainly easier to build a crazy idea in software first, like say, running 20 VCOs or such stuff.

What other instruments could I build? What can I learn from the way that DFAM is built? How can I achieve more with the modules I already own?

Here the most interesting part for me is how the engineers *could* have thrown more hardware at the problem, like for instance using a third sequencer just to manipulate a single aspect of the system, e.g. the final VCA, or the filter. Instead they did the maximum with the minimum of hardware, in a clever way.

One of the takeaways for me is that it is very interesting to try to understand how an existing instrument is build, trying to recreate it in HW or SW, whatever you have at your hands (I was sick at home, not in my studio, hence VCV was my weapon of choice).

If I made a mistake please accept my apologies. There is no way I can read everything that has been written on these forums before. Even if I did, I believe that nobody has done a VCV DFAM before me, and even if that was the case, I still took on the endeavour to learn and try for myself, and might have indeed up at a different solution than those before me, which is exactly why sharing this stuff makes life more interesting.

So may I ask you to do help me learn and grow, as that is why I am here for, and that is what I understood these forums to be about.

Oh, one more thing: I really don't know about new threads vs old ones. My take is that problems are solved using search, not a hierarchical organisation of data. That is why Google won and all those link directories lost, remember? On any forum on the planet this discussion will immediately lead to heated and pointless debates. However, if I am technically allowed to start a new thread, then I should be allowed to do it. Otherwise, why not simply lock down the ability to create new threads for newbies like myself? Either way, I do think twice before opening a new thread. I didn't see a DFAM in VCV thread, and hence I created one. If that is too granular in my thinking, thanks for pointing it out, will not happen again. But do give me more leadership and instructions so I can do better, otherwise how should I know?

Thanks for following me this far. Hope I can become a valuable member here one day. Getting run over by a truck the first time I cross the street feels terrible, let me tell you that much.
Muzone
automat wrote:


........So may I ask you to do help me learn and grow, as that is why I am here for, and that is what I understood these forums to be about.
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Mostly, yes ~ but sometimes you need to " buckle up" and just hang on, can be a tough crowd sometimes wink
automat
Muzone wrote:
automat wrote:


........So may I ask you to do help me learn and grow, as that is why I am here for, and that is what I understood these forums to be about.
.


Mostly, yes ~ but sometimes you need to " buckle up" and just hang on, can be a tough crowd sometimes wink


Thank you! thumbs up
anselmi
JakoGreyshire wrote:
anselmi I was thinking of you in particular when I wrote my post above yours. It would be neat to watch videos of your recreation efforts back then… I would like to see anyones' efforts of the DFAM challenge…

Enjoy the show!


sadly I didn´t made any videos of my attempts to recreate the DFAM in eurorack (the one you posted isn´t mine although I made a little further contribution to the author)

from this experiments, sometimes I ended with some really nice sounds and sequences, but then I compared that with the ones on the DFAM videos and realized that something wasn´t achieved, not to mention the fact that it took me much more time than the simple wiggling jam on that videos.

the DFAM goes straight to the point, and everything seems to be there, right at the turn of a konob...the patchpanel feels like something that can put it in a next level of complexity, and then this is more comparable to operate in an eurorack system.
automat
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Is there some segregation that I missed when I signed up for modular synth addiction? Are there really people out there who only buy semi modular synths? I didn't know this was a thing... " The wide world of semi modular!!"


LOL!
JakoGreyshire
automat I support you in your learning for sure! I'm not here to rain on anyone's picnic. The last thing I want to do is discourage you. It's all good. Trees grow stronger roots when the wind pushes them around a little.

I do want to see your attempt with the VCV so keep at it. Like I said, try modulating the Envelope decays and see if you can get it to do the Bowwow sound that the DFAM does.

I did feel your excitement on your video posting! It's fun huh? I was trying to not come off too harsh but if you walked into a room and just jumped into a conversation without hearing what was already said then you would get people looking at you funny and maybe even get some laughs directed at you..

I've had plenty of people keep me inline too.. Mostly good people. Very few A-holes here will try to keep you down as well. It's hard to tell if they mean well or are just like that.

I was slapped on the wrist for starting a new DFAM thread because I thought I had a new topic. I had made a video showing the Classroom session at Moogfest. Moog engineer Steve D. was explaining things about the DFAM..
Here is the thread and my error: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=191120&highlight=

I was bummed out when it got locked down but the moderator explained that it makes sense to keep it all in one thread..

By the way this classroom video I made is unlisted on youtube. You can only find it here on MW. It's also posted on this thread maybe around page three or so….

Also If you post where you are from on your avatar people can see if you are not a native speaker and then they might help you a bit better or go easier on you… It's too easy to be misunderstood with typed words online. Please be as clear as possible. Like I said people are good at filling in the blanks. If you let them fill in the blanks you'll get all kinds of made up stories…

WELCOME to Muffs!! Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding.



P.S. Everyone, I need more ideas for DFAM tricks for my videos… Maybe like sequencing the sequencer… Or another thing I got from another thread was quadraphonic LFO modulating Envelopes or something else maybe… I didn't realize that I could make PAM's New Workout do quadraphonic LFOs… Sweetness…..

Drunken Homer Simpson
automat
JakoGreyshire wrote:
automat I support you in your learning for sure! I'm not here to rain on anyone's picnic. The last thing I want to do is discourage you. It's all good. Trees grow stronger roots when the wind pushes them around a little.

Ha! Yes of course, no hard feelings. Thanks for following up!
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I do want to see your attempt with the VCV so keep at it. Like I said, try modulating the Envelope decays and see if you can get it to do the Bowwow sound that the DFAM does.
Well apparently my 2 year old MacBook Pro is too weak to do much in VCVRack. I'll have the DFAM in my hands next Monday, so that is when it gets much more fun!!! It's peanut butter jelly time!
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I did feel your excitement on your video posting! It's fun huh? I was trying to not come off too harsh but if you walked into a room and just jumped into a conversation without hearing what was already said then you would get people looking at you funny and maybe even get some laughs directed at you..

I've had plenty of people keep me inline too.. Mostly good people. Very few A-holes here will try to keep you down as well. It's hard to tell if they mean well or are just like that.

I was slapped on the wrist for starting a new DFAM thread because I thought I had a new topic. I had made a video showing the Classroom session at Moogfest. Moog engineer Steve D. was explaining things about the DFAM..
Here is the thread and my error: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=191120&highlight=

I was bummed out when it got locked down but the moderator explained that it makes sense to keep it all in one thread..

By the way this classroom video I made is unlisted on youtube. You can only find it here on MW. It's also posted on this thread maybe around page three or so….

I did come across it today. It is indeed very boring (your words, no offence) unless one has a clue of what is being talked about, in which case it must be quite interesting. I had a hard enough time deciphering the flow diagram in the manual and translating it into a patch, thank you very much. But we live and learn.

Quote:
Also If you post where you are from on your avatar people can see if you are not a native speaker and then they might help you a bit better or go easier on you… It's too easy to be misunderstood with typed words online. Please be as clear as possible. Like I said people are good at filling in the blanks. If you let them fill in the blanks you'll get all kinds of made up stories…

WELCOME to Muffs!! Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding.

Thank you very much indeed for taking the time to write! And by the way, I will be at Superbooth this year, and I also plan to attend the next Moogfest. So plenty of things to look forward to.
JakoGreyshire
automat


thumbs up

I might see at moogfest then…. I hope i get to go this time...
slentthndr
Hello everyone... first post here, and I'm new to eurorack so be easy on me.

I'm trying to trigger the DFAM via MIDI. So far I've learned that I need a MIDI to CV module and I need to output trigger and pitch CVs to the DFAM. Right?

I don't have any other modules yet aside from a mother 32. Would it be at all possible to use the M32 somehow as a MIDI to CV converter to get MIDI into the DFAM or do I need a separate module if I want to be able to control the DFAM and M32 separately?

I'm expecting that I need a seperate MIDI to CV module, in which case my question is.. which do you reccomend? Will any of them work or do I need to look for something specific? For example, I notice some of them have only gate outputs instead of trigger outputs... but I believe the DFAM needs a trigger input rather than gate?

I'm rather confused... If I'm posting this in the wrong place, I apologize. Thanks for your help!
JakoGreyshire
slentthndr wrote:
Hello everyone... first post here, and I'm new to eurorack so be easy on me.

I'm trying to trigger the DFAM via MIDI. So far I've learned that I need a MIDI to CV module and I need to output trigger and pitch CVs to the DFAM. Right?

I don't have any other modules yet aside from a mother 32. Would it be at all possible to use the M32 somehow as a MIDI to CV converter to get MIDI into the DFAM or do I need a separate module if I want to be able to control the DFAM and M32 separately?

I'm expecting that I need a seperate MIDI to CV module, in which case my question is.. which do you reccomend? Will any of them work or do I need to look for something specific? For example, I notice some of them have only gate outputs instead of trigger outputs... but I believe the DFAM needs a trigger input rather than gate?

I'm rather confused... If I'm posting this in the wrong place, I apologize. Thanks for your help!


Welcome to Muffs!

You can use the Mother32 to convert midi data (pitch and gates) to the DFAM and the Dfam will trigger from gates… I was just last night using a Mutable Instruments Ears to trigger the DFAM. Ears outputs a gate that can have a variable gate length depending on how hard you tap the front microphone.

When I get home later I'll do some testing and get back to you with some variations of how to patch things up…

I aslo have an Arturia Keystep wich I believe will covert midi to CV...

You didn't say where the midi data is coming from… I'm assuming a DAW? What are the details to your midi setup?


Here is a video on how you can do this with the SQ-1.. I highly recommend getting an SQ-1.. They are very versatile:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-vjCIiZ0Og
JakoGreyshire
Okay, I did some experiments with gate lengths triggering the DFAm and It's a lot of fun... The mother32 can do a lot with the DFAM..

What are you thinking about doing with the Midi to mother to DFAm scenario slentthndr?
Phil F
Hi there - first post!

I think that I am going to pull the trigger on this one as it sounds exactly like what I have been looking for.

I'm pretty new to synths and am slowly working my way through my Matrixbrute and Dom 1. But, I've never touched any of their CV capabilities up to this point.

So, how would the DFAM work with both of these? What do I need to do?

I use Ableton to send MIDI to both

Thank you!
JakoGreyshire
Phil F wrote:
Hi there - first post!

I think that I am going to pull the trigger on this one as it sounds exactly like what I have been looking for.

I'm pretty new to synths and am slowly working my way through my Matrixbrute and Dom 1. But, I've never touched any of their CV capabilities up to this point.

So, how would the DFAM work with both of these? What do I need to do?

I use Ableton to send MIDI to both

Thank you!


Welcome, Welcome!

I just looked at the patch points of both synths you mentioned.. Nothing is jumping out at me for the moment.. I would have to have my hands on them to really dig in...

Having said that, you are going to have great fun exploring the nature of patching everything up....

Read the manuals to see how to connect clocks for all the sequencers to be in step with each other.. it's pretty easy to do..

For starters, try using one of the LFOs from your synths to the VCA Decay input on the DFAM...get the LFO to be almost in time with the groove you are playing with..( DFAM sequencer running and being clocked by the master clock) Then slow the LFO down just a bit... Doing all this while the DFAM is being clocked by your master clock. I'm assuming the master clock would be the MatrixBrute sequencer...I can also see the Dom-1 ADSR set to a medium cycle speed and hitting the FM input on the DFAM when ever a certain event happens on the DOm-1, like say a slow bass line...

This is just the beginning... There is too much to do to answer your question properly... It all depends on what you want to do in any given day.... Are you mostly focused on jams playing both keyboards and having the DFAM provide a back bone beat? Or maybe you'll be making a drone and having all the VCOs you can muster slowly pull in and out of the scene?

These three synths can be made to create sound or "sound design" as it's called. Like you could one day say to yourself, "I'd like to create a sound of a glass marble hitting the tile ground and bouncing seven times while the ground slowly changes to wood, and the glass marble changes to paper. Then at the last bounce the paper marble turns to metal and shatters across the floor in a large hall type room and reverberates backwards to the center where it stops and then rolls around a little..."

So, Dig in and study how sound works and the properties of sound physics and or basic building blocks of synth architecture..

Have fun and experiment... Patch outs to ins...only combine outputs into a mixer, then to one input.. (like don't stack two outputs into one input using stackable cables)... Do use one output into multiple inputs with stackable cables... The fun is thinking about what is happening and what will/could happen.... Well, for me anyway... You may just want to jam and play without too much fuss.. idk..

Take it as it comes..... Share with us your findings on the most appropriate thread and I look forward to seeing/hearing your results and journey!

DFAm questions here.... Maybe there is already a Maxibrute thread somewhere here on muffs? Probably... yes there is and a DOm-1 thread too.... Read all you can... Get back to us..

Welcome to Muffs!

Jako
JakoGreyshire
I was playing around with the DFAM and I thought this would be another thing to keep in mind...

The DFAMs' sequencer does not have to trigger events in the DFAM when it gets triggers from some other source..


See the youtube page for patch details...

Glitchy Beats..... Glitch is coming from the Noisering though:



Phil F
Hey JakoGreyshire - thank you so much for your post!

At present, I'm just a studio person but like recording what I am playing 'live'. I like to jam for a while before hitting record.

For drums and percussion, I use a Vermona dRM1 and a Jomox AIRBase 99 to add definition to what I have jammed on my MB and Dom but I now want something dedicated instead of using to big monos.

But, as I said, no CV experience at all.
JakoGreyshire
Phil F wrote:
Hey JakoGreyshire - thank you so much for your post!

At present, I'm just a studio person but like recording what I am playing 'live'. I like to jam for a while before hitting record.

For drums and percussion, I use a Vermona dRM1 and a Jomox AIRBase 99 to add definition to what I have jammed on my MB and Dom but I now want something dedicated instead of using to big monos.

But, as I said, no CV experience at all.



@Phil F The DFAM excels at self patching, and that should be enough for you to start with... It's a long journey ahead for you... So much fun to be had...



Well, everyone..... Mikekiraly1 did another excellent video helping us all scratch the surface of the DFAM a bit more...

I like the VCO cross mod trick he did.... I'm going to try that one out and flip the sequencer pitch switch around to see what happens...

slentthndr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
slentthndr wrote:
Hello everyone... first post here, and I'm new to eurorack so be easy on me.

I'm trying to trigger the DFAM via MIDI. So far I've learned that I need a MIDI to CV module and I need to output trigger and pitch CVs to the DFAM. Right?

I don't have any other modules yet aside from a mother 32. Would it be at all possible to use the M32 somehow as a MIDI to CV converter to get MIDI into the DFAM or do I need a separate module if I want to be able to control the DFAM and M32 separately?

I'm expecting that I need a seperate MIDI to CV module, in which case my question is.. which do you reccomend? Will any of them work or do I need to look for something specific? For example, I notice some of them have only gate outputs instead of trigger outputs... but I believe the DFAM needs a trigger input rather than gate?

I'm rather confused... If I'm posting this in the wrong place, I apologize. Thanks for your help!


Welcome to Muffs!

You can use the Mother32 to convert midi data (pitch and gates) to the DFAM and the Dfam will trigger from gates… I was just last night using a Mutable Instruments Ears to trigger the DFAM. Ears outputs a gate that can have a variable gate length depending on how hard you tap the front microphone.

When I get home later I'll do some testing and get back to you with some variations of how to patch things up…

I aslo have an Arturia Keystep wich I believe will covert midi to CV...

You didn't say where the midi data is coming from… I'm assuming a DAW? What are the details to your midi setup?


Here is a video on how you can do this with the SQ-1.. I highly recommend getting an SQ-1.. They are very versatile:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-vjCIiZ0Og


Hi Jako - thanks so much for your help!

I'm running all of my MIDI through Ableton, and I'd really like to be able to control the Mother and DFAM separately. If I do what you're saying, using the Mother to convert MIDI to CV for the DFAM, would I still be able to use the Mother separately as an instrument? I know there's a lot I can do to combine the two together into one, and that's awesome, but first and foremost I want to be able to use Ableton to trigger the DFAM and Mother separately.

I'm also having trouble with the MIDI functionality of the Mother, incidentally. The Mother is still receiving MIDI input from my keyboard via Ableton even when I have 'record enable' turned off for the track. That makes no sense to me.

So I'm thinking now that I need a MIDI to CV module that can handle both... controlling the DFAM and Mother independently somehow... or do I need two MIDI to CV modules?? Gah!

Let's say I used Yarns, for example. I know it can output to four sound sources but can it it simultaneously receive MIDI date from two different DAW tracks thus controlling at least two of those sound sources independently from one another? I bet not.
slentthndr
Separate question:
If I have a sequencer or DAW inputing to the DFAM, will I still be able to use the integrated 8 step sequencer and trigger button on the DFAM in addition or will my CV inputs override that?
JakoGreyshire
@slentthndr Yeah, I see what you mean.... The world of midi can be fun to navigate..

I personally don't use the computer much anymore... I got burnt out using the computer years ago..... however if I did want to interact the Modular with my computer I would probably look at Expert Sleepers stuff... I was just checking out the FH-1 and I thought that it might do what you need it to do... I'm not totally sure though... Depends on what you want to send to the DFAM and Mother..... The FH-1 sends converted CCs, Pitch, Gates, LFOs, and some other stuff....

Check it out.... Do lots of research!.... As long as you can get two clocks out to each modular unit everything will be in time and that's what counts right?

Anyone else got any info on midi to DFAM connections?
JakoGreyshire
slentthndr wrote:
Separate question:
If I have a sequencer or DAW inputing to the DFAM, will I still be able to use the integrated 8 step sequencer and trigger button on the DFAM in addition or will my CV inputs override that?


If you use the trigger input on the DFAM the internal DFAm sequencer will not trigger the DFAm but it will sequence pitch data to the DFAm... That was what my last video was about,...

I've never looked at what yarns can do...
NoLegs
First patch with the DFAM. Works nicely with the Noise Engineering Manis Iteritas and Basimilus Iteritas Alter. I patched out the VCF EG to a few parameters on the BIA and the VCA EG to a few on the Manis. I ran the BIA through an RML Electron Fuzz Custom CV and I’m using the Velocity from the DFAM to control the Distortion Level. The DFAM Audio is multed our to a Voltage Controlled Annihilation with another copy going to an Erica Synths Ring Mod and a third final copy going into the Erica Synths Fusion mixer with the rest of the processed copies. From the mixer it’s going into the Fusion Delay.

Howie_Doodat
sick vid!
calnyc
Moog just published some new tutorial videos for the DFAM:


Dynamic Hi-Hats


Cross Modulated Kick Drum


Kick Snare Patch

Mine just shipped. Looking forward to experimenting.

EDIT: Don't think I can post videos so just linking.
NoLegs
Howie_Doodat wrote:
sick vid!


Thanks! w00t
JakoGreyshire
Nice one NoLegs, I've been waiting to see these three in action... Although I can't really "see" anything in your video, it sounds good though.

Thanks for sharing!
thumbs up thumbs up

@calnyc If you put these headers around the video links like [video] then the link, then [/video]

Also take out the "s" in "https://" part then the video will embed itself...
[EDIT] @calnyc Cool! Thanks for posting! [EDIT]

Those Moog videos are super cool.... My DFAm doesn't have the noise control input so I'll have to figure out a way to get the bass and snare trick working... I've done it in the past but I forget how to do it now... So many experiments I've done that I'm trying to remember some other cool tricks I've learned when I first got the thing...
NoLegs
Thanks! And yeah, mine aren’t all that informational, but I’m happy to answer any patching questions.
calnyc
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Nice one NoLegs, I've been waiting to see these three in action... Although I can't really "see" anything in your video, it sounds good though.

Thanks for sharing!
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@calnyc If you put these headers around the video links like [video] then the link, then [/video]

Also take out the "s" in "https://" part then the video will embed itself...

Those Moog videos are super cool.... My DFAm doesn't have the noise control input so I'll have to figure out a way to get the bass and snare trick working... I've done it in the past but I forget how to do it now... So many experiments I've done that I'm trying to remember some other cool tricks I've learned when I first got the thing...


Ah, thanks for pointing out the "s" in https. That was the problem. Fixed.
msboude
I wonder if you could patch the pitch and velocity out to a sequential switch to make a 16 step..... Mine is in the mail as we speak, so I don't have one on hand to test it... Just thinking. I'm new to modular so can't really figure that one out in my head, but had the thought.
JakoGreyshire
msboude wrote:
I wonder if you could patch the pitch and velocity out to a sequential switch to make a 16 step..... Mine is in the mail as we speak, so I don't have one on hand to test it... Just thinking. I'm new to modular so can't really figure that one out in my head, but had the thought.


Not sure about that one….. It's hard to get around the eight steps of the sequencer… I made a video showing a trick on how to patch the dfam to get odd steps out of the sequencer…5 or 7 steps.. I posted that video here on this thread… It's called moog DFAm polyrythms…

To get 16 steps you could approximate that by sending 8th note triggers to the trigger input and quarter note triggers to the advance input and then you would get two triggers per step. therefore 16 drum hits per cycle of the 8 step sequence…

Does that make sense?….


It's not an elegant way to get 16 steps …. but there are other ways to get something similar… Like different clock divisions from the master clock sent to the trigger or the advance inputs to either speed up or slow down the DFAM..

You'll see when you get it in…Have fun!
msboude
Yes, that makes sense for sure! I like that idea.

Looks like the dfam is at home waiting for me!!

When I get home, I am going to mess around with sending the pitch and velocity outs to a sequential switch, routing the output of the sequential switch back into the dfam. Hopefully I found a new way to have a 16 step dfam, the only thing I believe would be the drawback, if it works, would be that you lose control of either pitch or velocity on the step knobs.

The pitch row would be your first 8 steps, then after 8 beats, the sequential switch would switch over to the velocity steps..... cycle repeats. The sequential switch would be timed off of a clock divider.
JakoGreyshire
Cool, I'm interested to see your findings...
NoLegs
Round 2 with the DFAM. It’s running all the Percussion, and Osc 2 is receiving pitch CV data from my Lifeforms KB-1, which is also controlling an Erica Synths Fusion VCO. The Fusion VCO is running through a Meris Polymoon and Mercury 7.

The actual DFAM starts around 1:30. The intro and Outro is a Morphagene running through uClouds.

JakoGreyshire
Nice Track NoLegs!

I like it a lot! Cool Vibe to it, and the melody progression is my kind of minimal dark bounce....

Good job!
NoLegs
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Nice Track NoLegs!

I like it a lot! Cool Vibe to it, and the melody progression is my kind of minimal dark bounce....

Good job!


Thanks man! I appreciate the kind words w00t
calnyc
I got my DFAM the other day. One thing I noticed is that it's noisy in comparison to my Mother 32. There's a definite noise floor present that's not there on the M32. This happens even with the volume (or any control for that matter) all the way down.

Anyone else notice this?
JakoGreyshire
calnyc wrote:
I got my DFAM the other day. One thing I noticed is that it's noisy in comparison to my Mother 32. There's a definite noise floor present that's not there on the M32. This happens even with the volume (or any control for that matter) all the way down.

Anyone else notice this?



After using mine for a few months I started thinking that it was a noisy little bugger, but in a good way though, because I could get it cleaned up if I wanted to…

I have not heard any noise from it when it's idle or volume all the way down.

Try different outlets in you house and other trouble shooting things like that… Is it in a rack or the case it came with?

Are you listening to it using the output jack on the back of the case or the VCA output from the front panel patch bay?
I've noticed a small difference using the two different outputs… I like the sound coming out of the output on the back better, but then the DFAM is outside of the modular environment at that point.

Oh just got an idea from that remark! Yeay! hihi razz

It could be a loose cable inside if you are listening to the back output..

Try different cables…etc… Be careful if you decide to open up the DFAm case…. Email Moog and ask them as well…

Let us know what you find...
msboude
Alright! Just thought I would share this 16 step Moog Dfam video I made..

https://youtu.be/nQa8d4geiZg

Edit: I can't embed it for some reason.
JakoGreyshire
msboude wrote:
Alright! Just thought I would share this 16 step Moog Dfam video I made..

https://youtu.be/nQa8d4geiZg

Edit: I can't embed it for some reason.


Nice!! Yeah so then the output of the seq switch is then going into the trigger input on the DFAm right? Nice trick!! Really like the thinking behind this…
Sweetness!! Trixy!
calnyc
JakoGreyshire wrote:
calnyc wrote:
I got my DFAM the other day. One thing I noticed is that it's noisy in comparison to my Mother 32. There's a definite noise floor present that's not there on the M32. This happens even with the volume (or any control for that matter) all the way down.

Anyone else notice this?



After using mine for a few months I started thinking that it was a noisy little bugger, but in a good way though, because I could get it cleaned up if I wanted to…

I have not heard any noise from it when it's idle or volume all the way down.

Try different outlets in you house and other trouble shooting things like that… Is it in a rack or the case it came with?

Are you listening to it using the output jack on the back of the case or the VCA output from the front panel patch bay?
I've noticed a small difference using the two different outputs… I like the sound coming out of the output on the back better, but then the DFAM is outside of the modular environment at that point.

Oh just got an idea from that remark! Yeay! hihi razz

It could be a loose cable inside if you are listening to the back output..

Try different cables…etc… Be careful if you decide to open up the DFAm case…. Email Moog and ask them as well…

Let us know what you find...


It's in the same 2-tier Moog rack as my Mother 32, routed to the same isolated power supply. The audio and power are routed alongside the M32's so not sure what's going on there.

I route all the audio into my Octatrack and the audio in indicator for the DFAM is always lit up where all my other synths are dead silent.

I'll spend more time on it this weekend I may redo my setup and clean up some of the wiring.
msboude
JakoGreyshire wrote:
msboude wrote:
Alright! Just thought I would share this 16 step Moog Dfam video I made..

https://youtu.be/nQa8d4geiZg

Edit: I can't embed it for some reason.


Nice!! Yeah so then the output of the seq switch is then going into the trigger input on the DFAm right? Nice trick!! Really like the thinking behind this…
Sweetness!! Trixy!


Thank you!!

No, it's actually going back into the vco1 cv. you could split it and send it to the vco2 cv as well.

The output of the mother's lfo is clocking the dfam as well as the clock divider
Antlerface
That's seriously cool! Thanks for sharing, this just went from "kinda wanna try" to "yeah I'll take one".
clipper
msboude wrote:
Alright! Just thought I would share this 16 step Moog Dfam video I made..

https://youtu.be/nQa8d4geiZg

Edit: I can't embed it for some reason.

Nice, good sharing SlayerBadger!

(you need to post the link in "http" format, without the "s" and it cannot be a short link.. something like this: "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQa8d4geiZg&feature=youtu.be")
budinis
embed:



cool video!
JakoGreyshire
msboude wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
msboude wrote:
Alright! Just thought I would share this 16 step Moog Dfam video I made..

https://youtu.be/nQa8d4geiZg

Edit: I can't embed it for some reason.


Nice!! Yeah so then the output of the seq switch is then going into the trigger input on the DFAm right? Nice trick!! Really like the thinking behind this…
Sweetness!! Trixy!


Thank you!!

No, it's actually going back into the vco1 cv. you could split it and send it to the vco2 cv as well.

The output of the mother's lfo is clocking the dfam as well as the clock divider


Looks like it's going to the velocity in, and not the VCO CV. Am I wrong on this?.. My DFAM is the moogfest edition so it's a little bit different from the 2018 edition... Just trying to wrap my head around this trick... I also don't have a sequential switch so.... I do know what they do. Good trick though whatever you're doing.. I look forward to more patching tricks from you and the community...

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msboude
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback!
msboude
Oh shit.. yes, it was the velocity in.. my bad! Nice catch. Haha

I was working from home and was trying g to do too many things at once, was excited to share the discovery.

I guess you could route to the pitch in too.. probably lots of shit you can do..
JakoGreyshire
Hey peepos,

Just been having fun throwing some euclidean patterns in the ADV/Clock input.. It's fun to mix up the rhythm and still have all eight steps triggering.

Nothing super exciting but I managed to get a kind of saucy beat that sounds like a old organ drum machine.. Got the idea for the bongos somewhere on a Noisering thread I think... Having the two noisering outputs hit the optomix strike inputs..(FM on the inputs of course)....

Mysteron for the melodic guitar sound..




nashsnazzy
Is there a simple way to shorten the pattern on DFAM ? I didn't see a reset input when I scanned the panel this morning.
calnyc
nashsnazzy wrote:
Is there a simple way to shorten the pattern on DFAM ? I didn't see a reset input when I scanned the panel this morning.


I'm looking for a way to reset the pattern as well. There does not appear to be a way which is a little frustrating when syncing with other gear.
greymadr
calnyc wrote:
nashsnazzy wrote:
Is there a simple way to shorten the pattern on DFAM ? I didn't see a reset input when I scanned the panel this morning.


I'm looking for a way to reset the pattern as well. There does not appear to be a way which is a little frustrating when syncing with other gear.


Earlier in this thread, JakoGreyshire shows a way to do this. You'll have to dig a little because it is probably more than a few pages back, but it was quite awesome.

Clever programming in the end, because no, there isn't a reset.
nashsnazzy
greymadr wrote:
calnyc wrote:
nashsnazzy wrote:
Is there a simple way to shorten the pattern on DFAM ? I didn't see a reset input when I scanned the panel this morning.


I'm looking for a way to reset the pattern as well. There does not appear to be a way which is a little frustrating when syncing with other gear.


Earlier in this thread, JakoGreyshire shows a way to do this. You'll have to dig a little because it is probably more than a few pages back, but it was quite awesome.

Clever programming in the end, because no, there isn't a reset.


Thanks for the pointer. I dug through the thread and essentially it looks like if you hit the tempo input with a big voltage it just flys past the steps until the voltage stops. This seems pretty ghetto, but otherwise this is a cool box. I'd love to have another one, I'm just debating on getting a 2nd DFAM or sampling it and programming the samples into a Volca Sample.
zeit
I am looking at possibly getting one of these soon. One thing I noticed that's a little odd sounding. It sounds like, at times, I can hear a faint distorted-like / breaking up sound in the background of some of these demo videos. For example, listen to the first 10 seconds of this video and you'll hear it in the background, it's not loud but it's present enough to hear. It almost sounds like light rain hitting the pavement in the background or something. Is this intentional and I wonder what control is causing this, I wouldn't think it was the noise function. Figured I'd ask before throwing money on it. Never maintain cash savings again

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEuGALsnqg[/video]
CursedFrogurt
zeit wrote:
I am looking at possibly getting one of these soon. One thing I noticed that's a little odd sounding. It sounds like, at times, I can hear a faint distorted-like / breaking up sound in the background of some of these demo videos. For example, listen to the first 10 seconds of this video and you'll hear it in the background, it's not loud but it's present enough to hear. It almost sounds like light rain hitting the pavement in the background or something. Is this intentional and I wonder what control is causing this, I wouldn't think it was the noise function. Figured I'd ask before throwing money on it.


To me that sounds like the noise source modulating the filter (i. e. it is an intentional effect, and can be dialed in/out).

Amusingly, when I first started watching videos on the DFAM, that sound in that specific video was what got me the most excited about it.
zeit
Quote:
To me that sounds like the noise source modulating the filter (i. e. it is an intentional effect, and can be dialed in/out).


Thanks, was just curious about it as I heard that particular sound in another demo somewhere. If it can be dialed in/out is all that matters. The DFAM has such a powerful sound, I love it.
nashsnazzy
Speaking of the DFAM's sound, it reminds me of the noisy percussion in late 90's NIN tracks. That's what I love about it.
calnyc


DFAM, a $600 shapeable Oscillator for your Mother 32 smile
JakoGreyshire
There really is a lot of things to do with the DFAM:











Thanks Moog Music!


A while back I made a "sequencer as an oscillator" video with the DFAM...I guess I should have named it as such... Anyway, I posted it here a while back and now it seems relative to this page of the thread, so....

Anyone with a DFAM go and try it out... Crank up the Sequencer rate and make some oscillations...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjcCcswIclY




I just posted the link only... I guess I feel weird about embedding the same video twice in a thread.... But it is hard to remember what was said in the early parts of the thread.... Threads get long and the conversation is scattered in the heads of all who've read it... Weird how that is eh?
mor4sso
They're really dope. A very expressive box of magical tones.
nashsnazzy
After playing with DFAM for a couple of nights, I have to say this box is the king of happy accidents.
calnyc
nashsnazzy wrote:
After playing with DFAM for a couple of nights, I have to say this box is the king of happy accidents.


Heh, I agree 100%. You never really go into thinking, "I'm going to make this specific sound." You just happen on interesting little sequences and keep twisting knobs to evolve them.

The DFAM and a sampler is a great combination. I've already saved a bunch of 16 step patterns from my Octatrack.
Waz
I got to play with one of these yesterday and have to say this is my favorite moog module. The mother 32 sounds awesome, but that sequencer is so bad. I use it mainly as an oscillator/filter combo with other sequencers because I can't stand the clunkyness.
The DFAM is 100% an exploration machine. I have to admit that when I saw the promo videos and a few demos I was very disappointed. They didn't really showcase how weird this thing can get.


Anyway, buy my shit in the FS section so I can pick one of these up!
pickleinn
I just picked one up - it is an amazing machine for just twiddling and tweaking and coming up with musical sounds. It really shines as a happy accident box. I am stupidly considering a second already
calnyc
Day one I had buyer's remorse. It seemed like a competent drum machine but not really outstanding in that regard. Mainly because can patch kicks, hats, and snares on most synths.

Day two it occurred to me that calling it a drum machine is super-limiting. The drum sounds are probably the least interesting thing about it.

Day three it's indispensable. Let it run free behind any track and it adds depth, life, and variance. It's really opened up a new avenue of creativity for me.

I think the DFAM benefitted from its "beta" stage and subsequent iterations from Moogfest on. Definitely one of the coolest products released recently. I can't wait to see what else is coming in the series.
nashsnazzy
Waz wrote:
I got to play with one of these yesterday and have to say this is my favorite moog module. The mother 32 sounds awesome, but that sequencer is so bad. I use it mainly as an oscillator/filter combo with other sequencers because I can't stand the clunkyness.
The DFAM is 100% an exploration machine. I have to admit that when I saw the promo videos and a few demos I was very disappointed. They didn't really showcase how weird this thing can get.


Anyway, buy my shit in the FS section so I can pick one of these up!


Waz, I'm glad I'm not the only one that couldn't stand the M32 sequencer. It look useful once you get used to it, but when I had it there weren't a lot of great videos on it and that's how I learn best when I'm stuck. The VCO on the M32 sounds really nice, especially the square wave, but the lack of a triangle wave was a bit limiting.

Now I'm curious if I should buy another DFAM or just run my Volca Sample with it. seriously, i just don't get it
NoLegs
Another patch with the DFAM. I tried to disconnect the clock advance from the external triggers I was feeding it. I used a sequential switch that was swapping between a standard clock I was sending to the DFAM's trigger input and a gate sequence I was sending from a Varigate 8+. The sequential switch was on an odd division from the master clock, so it was switching somewhat irreggularly from the rest of the patch. Later in the patch, I use a branches to interrupt the clock going to the Adv/clock input on the DFAM - you can see this by looking at the DFAM's sequencer. It's not advancing steadily. The other side of branches is sending whatever clocks don't go into the DFAM over to trigger a Loquelic Iteritas Percido drone.

I'm using an LFO from one of my Mother-32's to modulate the VCA and VCF Decay to vary things further.

Other sound sources:

NE Sinc Iter
NE Cursus Iteritas
NE Loquelic Iteritas Percido
Audio Damage Boomtschak
Make Noise Morphagene
Erica Synths Pico Drums
Yamaha TX81Z

AW198
NoLegs wrote:
Another patch with the DFAM. I tried to disconnect the clock advance from the external triggers I was feeding it. I used a sequential switch that was swapping between a standard clock I was sending to the DFAM's trigger input and a gate sequence I was sending from a Varigate 8+. The sequential switch was on an odd division from the master clock, so it was switching somewhat irreggularly from the rest of the patch. Later in the patch, I use a branches to interrupt the clock going to the Adv/clock input on the DFAM - you can see this by looking at the DFAM's sequencer. It's not advancing steadily. The other side of branches is sending whatever clocks don't go into the DFAM over to trigger a Loquelic Iteritas Percido drone.

I'm using an LFO from one of my Mother-32's to modulate the VCA and VCF Decay to vary things further.

Other sound sources:

NE Sinc Iter
NE Cursus Iteritas
NE Loquelic Iteritas Percido
Audio Damage Boomtschak
Make Noise Morphagene
Erica Synths Pico Drums
Yamaha TX81Z



Getting serious DOOM vibes when the DFAM kicks in. Honestly, I wasn't seriously interested in the DFAM until I watched that, so damn you!
Muzone
My only other patchable piece of kit is an 0-coast and although the DFAM looks very tempting all the videos I find interesting involve the DFAM in league with quite a few bits of other modular/semimodular gear.
Would it be much fun/use in a simpler set-up or is it more a 'part of a bigger system' tool?
NoLegs
AW198 wrote:


Getting serious DOOM vibes when the DFAM kicks in. Honestly, I wasn't seriously interested in the DFAM until I watched that, so damn you!


Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed Rockin' Banana!
JakoGreyshire
Muzone wrote:
My only other patchable piece of kit is an 0-coast and although the DFAM looks very tempting all the videos I find interesting involve the DFAM in league with quite a few bits of other modular/semimodular gear.
Would it be much fun/use in a simpler set-up or is it more a 'part of a bigger system' tool?



The short answer is "yes". It would be fun in a small or big setup...

You got me thinking.... So, I unplugged the patch I was working on and decided to just use the DFAM and the 0-Coast.

At first I was thinking how should I patch it up? Then the ideas just started flowing... Now it's past my bed time and I lost track because I was having fun..

I would say it's like most things.. First off the DFAM is fun all by itself. It can be patched into itself with good results just like the 0-Coast can. After a while you'll probably hit a slump and not be inspired for a while. (that's what happened with me and the 0-coast) Then one day you'll think of something new and do another new patch and it'll be great fun again...

While I was having fun just now with the DFAM and 0-coast, most of it was wiggling to find some sweet spots.. Nothing totally worth recording yet...

Drum and Bass is what I was going for (achieved) and at the end I had it all mangled up into a super weird space shuffle.... Cross modulating VCOs and modulating EG decays... Fm'd Slope into the DFAM's FM mod..... Wiggling VCO pitch knobs...... flipping switches...

It's a good combo... I can't suggest you get a DFAM until I do some more patches with the two. It also depends on your level of understanding patching techniques. These two would be a great place to start learning some stuff...

Well, I am biased on the DFAM... I like it a lot. That means I really like it. So, you can guess what I would tell you to do, right? Right?

How do you use your 0-Coast currently? What kind of patchings do you like to create with it? Do you plan on buying more modular in the future?
What kind of music do you make or strive to achieve? What are your future visions of your music journey...

The only reason I'm not telling you to go buy one is the price. 599$ could get you something else to make you just as happy. If you later decided that the DFAM wasn't for you then you could sell it used for a good price but then you'd have to spend time and energy selling the thing...

I'm seriously considering buying a 2nd DFAM... So, that's my opinion...
Muzone
JakoGreyshire wrote:

How do you use your 0-Coast currently? What kind of patchings do you like to create with it? Do you plan on buying more modular in the future?
What kind of music do you make or strive to achieve? What are your future visions of your music journey...



Thanks for such a considered reply smile

0-coast is currently used mainly self patched for ambient drones/krell musings
I have no intention of ever going Eurorack, but a few semi-mods may be added someway down the line as playing with wires gives different perspective but to be honest I have enough non-modular synths to keep me in sounds for ever
My music is just a form of relaxation/exploration with a few online collaborators and the occasional live session - so complete self indulgence in what/how I play wink

It's going to be months before my local store is liable to have a DFAM on demo so I've got plenty of time to decide!
batch
Picked up a DFAM and love it. Particularly like patching pitch or velocity into tempo. It pairs very nicely with a M32 and a sampler (eg Bitbox) as keep finding fun rhythms.

I do wish it had a Reset. This would make it easier to sync with other things.

My only other gripe is the lack of real knobs on the mixer, pitch and velocity knobs. I find the black plastic shafts hurt my thumb and there is plenty of space so no idea why they didn’t include. Ive solved this by buying some real knobs from Pittsburgh Modular which look good.
NoLegs
Armstrb wrote:
Picked up a DFAM and love it. Particularly like patching pitch or velocity into tempo. It pairs very nicely with a M32 and a sampler (eg Bitbox) as keep finding fun rhythms.

I do wish it had a Reset. This would make it easier to sync with other things.

My only other gripe is the lack of real knobs on the mixer, pitch and velocity knobs. I find the black plastic shafts hurt my thumb and there is plenty of space so no idea why they didn’t include. Ive solved this by buying some real knobs from Pittsburgh Modular which look good.


Pics? I was thinking about doing the same.
batch


batch
They’re a buck each at Pittsburgh Modular and are the same quality as the originals.

You can get cheaper elsewhere.
NoLegs
That looks great. I like the PM knobs already, so that’s awesome!
calnyc
Oh wow. I gotta get those knobs. Do they just slide on? What size are they small or medium?
batch
They are the small ones.

They have a little screw on the side and so you need a jewelers type screw driver, but they are really easy to fit.
JakoGreyshire
Muzone wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:

How do you use your 0-Coast currently? What kind of patchings do you like to create with it? Do you plan on buying more modular in the future?
What kind of music do you make or strive to achieve? What are your future visions of your music journey...



Thanks for such a considered reply smile

0-coast is currently used mainly self patched for ambient drones/krell musings
I have no intention of ever going Eurorack, but a few semi-mods may be added someway down the line as playing with wires gives different perspective but to be honest I have enough non-modular synths to keep me in sounds for ever
My music is just a form of relaxation/exploration with a few online collaborators and the occasional live session - so complete self indulgence in what/how I play wink

It's going to be months before my local store is liable to have a DFAM on demo so I've got plenty of time to decide!


Well, thanks for asking your question in the first place! I just got done making a cool slow drone... Now I've got some more ideas for the 0-coast and the DFAM... I was getting some weird noise from the 0-coast... Not sure what that was all about... Anyway... Your question has got me inspired to try more things... sound design mostly.. but I think I can make a cool drum kit out of the two as well... The 0-coast can make some awesome bass drums as well.. My drone had a very spacious kick drum in it and the way the two were reacting and combining made the kick drum sound really good... Then I had the VCO#1 out of the DFAM into the 0-coast Balance in. It was fun to control the sounds with the balance knob. I had the DFAM set up to do some formant side band stuff and the 0-coast's random voltage generator plugged into the DFAM's VCF mod input, so each bass drum hit had a different VCF setting and therefore a different formant sound ....

Yeah... It's funny how when certain modules live far apart on the desk they don't get thought of as being together...

With what you said about how you make music and sound musings.. I would have to say that you will like the DFAM.. Definitely wait to try one out though... Maybe your shop will have an 0-coast you can plug into it and play with the two...

I have already hit a point where I'm trying to think of new ways to patch the two... I'm sure there are... I've quickly got to where I want to figure out a clever patch... We'll see in a day or two...

Can anyone else think of a cool DFAM 0-Coast patch? They do sound good together...
Muzone
JakoGreyshire wrote:


I have already hit a point where I'm trying to think of new ways to patch the two... I'm sure there are... I've quickly got to where I want to figure out a clever patch... We'll see in a day or two...


I'll keep an eye on you're you tube channel wink
Cutoff Phreaks
MikkoM wrote:
WTF, my local store let's me preorder this:

https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/18525/jtnkx/Moog-DFAM-rumpukon e

I did not know they are going to release this, or is that only error at verkkokauppa.com ?


https://www.moogmusic.com/products/semi-modular/dfam-drummer-another-m other
msboude
Awesome tip on the knobs! Ordered!

Looks great! $23 shipped! Nice!
msboude
I gotta get a doepfer dual quantizer.. that would be fun to run the pitch and velocity out into it, back into the dfam......
msboude
Just thought I would chime back in.. I got the small knobs from Pittsburgh modular. While they look great, the collar is a bit bigger than the pot shaft and has some slack when the set screw is tightened down, it makes the knobs off center a bit. The knob also has too much depth, so the knob will sit on the dfam faceplate, so they have a bit too much depth. To me, they are too big to wiggle comfortably after all the shit I went through to get them to fit somewhat half-assed.

The doepfer vintage knobs would be sweet, they are perfect.. they are plastic collared and are just a bit too tight to go on, they would need to be drilled out, but would be perfect.
JakoGreyshire
msboude wrote:
Just thought I would chime back in.. I got the small knobs from Pittsburgh modular. While they look great, the collar is a bit bigger than the pot shaft and has some slack when the set screw is tightened down, it makes the knobs off center a bit. The knob also has too much depth, so the knob will sit on the dfam faceplate, so they have a bit too much depth. To me, they are too big to wiggle comfortably after all the shit I went through to get them to fit somewhat half-assed.

The doepfer vintage knobs would be sweet, they are perfect.. they are plastic collared and are just a bit too tight to go on, they would need to be drilled out, but would be perfect.


This happens quite a often… I've seen many videos (or a few at least) where people cut a mcdonalds straw and put it in the shaft hole as a spacer and then the knobs will line up and not be wobbly….
JakoGreyshire
So, you have an Make Noise 0-Coast. Should you get a Moog DFAM?

Yes, you probably should.... There are many ways to patch up the two synths. Here are just a few examples scratching the surface of what one can do with the 0-Coast and the Moog Drummer from another Mother.


calnyc
msboude wrote:
Just thought I would chime back in.. I got the small knobs from Pittsburgh modular. While they look great, the collar is a bit bigger than the pot shaft and has some slack when the set screw is tightened down, it makes the knobs off center a bit. The knob also has too much depth, so the knob will sit on the dfam faceplate, so they have a bit too much depth. To me, they are too big to wiggle comfortably after all the shit I went through to get them to fit somewhat half-assed.

The doepfer vintage knobs would be sweet, they are perfect.. they are plastic collared and are just a bit too tight to go on, they would need to be drilled out, but would be perfect.


Not the greatest fit, but if you pinch them going on you can raise them so they don't sit on the faceplate. Worlds more functional than the plastic shafts.

Moskowitz
JakoGreyshire wrote:
So, you have an Make Noise 0-Coast. Should you get a Moog DFAM?

Yes, you probably should.... There are many ways to patch up the two synths. Here are just a few examples scratching the surface of what one can do with the 0-Coast and the Moog Drummer from another Mother.




Really great video - thanks!
JakoGreyshire
Moskowitz wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
So, you have an Make Noise 0-Coast. Should you get a Moog DFAM?

Yes, you probably should.... There are many ways to patch up the two synths. Here are just a few examples scratching the surface of what one can do with the 0-Coast and the Moog Drummer from another Mother.




Really great video - thanks!


thumbs up I'm glad you liked it..... I recorded lots of patches and there are so many ways to patch the two... I try to make simple short videos... There are a lot of details that one can only find by watching the video multiple times and analyzing the patch cables, sequencer and knob settings... Being a simple video I didn't want to muck up the screen with explanations about the patches. I was a little worried that some sounds were a bit boring, but the patches themselves were showing some actual thought processes behind the simple sounds... The patches could inspire other wigglers as starting points..

I would love to see anyone else make some patches with the DFAM and 0-Coast.... call it a two module challenge!! Ha Ha, Just kidding!

We could call it the DFAM-Coast Challenge!

So, any takers on the challege? Post the videos here...

thumbs up thumbs up
Muzone
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Here are just a few examples scratching the surface of what one can do with the 0-Coast and the Moog Drummer from another Mother.



Nice demos - still no chance of seeing one here for about a month though :(

Just as an aside - is your DFAM a custom job? All the pics I've seen have them in standard Moog black.....
slentthndr
Armstrb wrote:
My only other gripe is the lack of real knobs on the mixer, pitch and velocity knobs. I find the black plastic shafts hurt my thumb and there is plenty of space so no idea why they didn’t include. Ive solved this by buying some real knobs from Pittsburgh Modular which look good.


How did you get the tiny Moog knobs off? Or do the PM knobs slide right over top? I can't get mine off... they seem to be glued on or attached very firmly? I'm afraid to break something.
JakoGreyshire
Muzone wrote:


Nice demos - still no chance of seeing one here for about a month though :(

Just as an aside - is your DFAM a custom job? All the pics I've seen have them in standard Moog black.....


Mine is the 2017 Moogfest Engineer edition.. Three of the patch points are different from the 2018 public release. The 2018 release is probably better than mine but mine has something special inside. There was only 88 made for Moogfest and a few boards were bad upon arrival at Moogfest. We got to finish the build with the Moog engineers at Moogfest. So, there are probably about 80-85 or so of the 2017 Moogfest editions out there in the world. I posted a Muffwiggler exclusive video with some moogfest classroom session earlier in this thread. You can see Steve D. explain some inner workings of the DFAM.. It's a boring video. It dose have a gritty DFAM jam at the end though.

Now that I think about it, that video was made in part of explaining the synth from the engineer's words and design decisions, and also because some people here wanted to see the back of the DFAM PCB. Back then we weren't sure that the DFAM would be released. In fact most of us thought it wouldn't be released, and we all (I, or some of us at least) thought that it would be cool to reverse engineer the DFAM to find out how it worked... Now that the DFAM is public, expensive but available, some smart person with a lot of free time could reverse engineer the thing and DIY or modifiy a version of the DFAM. If I knew how to do that, and had enough free time and money, I think i would try it and make a uDFAM or a modified and tricked out version of the DFAM. Steve D. even said that it was possible to modify the DFAM if someone knew what they were doing...

Damn, wish I'd gone into electronics design.... Oh well, I'll stick to wiggling and making music and leave the hard work for the smart modular designers.. Anyway, I've seen designers say in videos that they have no time to make music anymore... That would suck! All work and no play....
calnyc
slentthndr wrote:
Armstrb wrote:
My only other gripe is the lack of real knobs on the mixer, pitch and velocity knobs. I find the black plastic shafts hurt my thumb and there is plenty of space so no idea why they didn’t include. Ive solved this by buying some real knobs from Pittsburgh Modular which look good.


How did you get the tiny Moog knobs off? Or do the PM knobs slide right over top? I can't get mine off... they seem to be glued on or attached very firmly? I'm afraid to break something.


Don't try to remove the plastic shafts they are part of the control itself!
automat
msboude wrote:
The doepfer vintage knobs would be sweet, they are perfect.. they are plastic collared and are just a bit too tight to go on, they would need to be drilled out, but would be perfect.


I just pulled one of these knobs off my Doepfer A-138 "Vintage". They don't fit onto the DFAM, and I don't think drilling them out would be advisable, as they aren't "solid" but hollow. Not sure how to best describe that but there really isn't much material to drill out before nothing is left.

Any other ideas?
calnyc
I really don't think the PM knobs are a bad fit. If you use a small wrench to space them from the top panel when screwing them on they fit quite well and go on evenly. No regrets from me.
slentthndr
Am I correct that there's no way to modulate the VCF Cutoff on the DFAM? And also that there's no way to use gate/sustain to make it function better for non-percussive purposes? This might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. This is one of my first modular synths.
calnyc
slentthndr wrote:
Am I correct that there's no way to modulate the VCF Cutoff on the DFAM? And also that there's no way to use gate/sustain to make it function better for non-percussive purposes? This might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. This is one of my first modular synths.


Re VCF cutoff, from the manual:

Quote:
VCF MOD (VCF MODULATION CONTROL VOLTAGE INPUT)
Plugging a control voltage into this jack replaces the Noise Generator as a hard- wired modulation source for the VCF. The maximum amount of modulation applied to the Filter will still be controlled by the NOISE / VCF MOD knob.

INPUT
-5V to +5V Control Voltage

NOTE: The VCF MOD input is the only means of directly applying a control voltage to the Filter’s Cutoff Frequency. For complete CV control over the Filter, ensure that the NOISE / VCF MOD knob is set to its maximum position.
JakoGreyshire
slentthndr wrote:
Am I correct that there's no way to modulate the VCF Cutoff on the DFAM? And also that there's no way to use gate/sustain to make it function better for non-percussive purposes? This might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. This is one of my first modular synths.


As read from the manual that calnyc quoted, yes you can CV the Cutoff with the VCF MOD input... The VCF Mod knob controls the amount(attenuation) of CV being input into the VCF mod input.

As for the other part of your question I cannot decipher. Can you elaborate further?

With other modules in a eurorack system you can totally achieve non-percussive sounds out of the DFAM quite easily.

With no other modules you can do things like bass lines and lead lines.. Example: If you turn the VCO EG amount knobs counterclockwise into the negative range, have a short VCO EG deacy, and click the pitch switch to send pitch data to one or two VCOs, then you can make some cool bass lines with the sequencer.. Then send some random or controlled random into the VCO CV in and blammo! Groove city.... Oh I also click the rarely used slow/ fast EG switch into the slow position..

Dose that make sense?
atlaspark1
Picked up a DFAM about a month ago and absolutely love it. It's nice to have something that rewards a little serendipity smile I'm looking to put the DFAM in a 104HP case and add a few modules to it. So far, I've been thinking of adding:

(1) Pamela's New Workout
(2) Function
(3) modDemix
(4) Morphagene
(5) 2hp VCA

Would these additions make sense to complement the DFAM? Any other suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!
slentthndr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
slentthndr wrote:
Am I correct that there's no way to modulate the VCF Cutoff on the DFAM? And also that there's no way to use gate/sustain to make it function better for non-percussive purposes? This might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. This is one of my first modular synths.


As read from the manual that calnyc quoted, yes you can CV the Cutoff with the VCF MOD input... The VCF Mod knob controls the amount(attenuation) of CV being input into the VCF mod input.

As for the other part of your question I cannot decipher. Can you elaborate further?

With other modules in a eurorack system you can totally achieve non-percussive sounds out of the DFAM quite easily.

With no other modules you can do things like bass lines and lead lines.. Example: If you turn the VCO EG amount knobs counterclockwise into the negative range, have a short VCO EG deacy, and click the pitch switch to send pitch data to one or two VCOs, then you can make some cool bass lines with the sequencer.. Then send some random or controlled random into the VCO CV in and blammo! Groove city.... Oh I also click the rarely used slow/ fast EG switch into the slow position..

Dose that make sense?


Thank you!! That makes sense now (the VCF Mod issue).

Regarding the other question, I guess the limitation is that the VCA decay is always on and I can't get a sustained note that doesn't eventually decay. Could I use a seperate VCA/envelope generator with this instead to be able to get a sustained note? And if so, how? I'm guessing I can use the VCA CV and VCA Decay inputs, but I have to buy another module before I can test it and I want to make sure I get one that works for my purposes.

I'm sorry if I should be able to figure this out from the manual, but this is one of my first modules so I'm still 'learning to wiggle' as they say.
spacezignul
slentthndr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
slentthndr wrote:
Am I correct that there's no way to modulate the VCF Cutoff on the DFAM? And also that there's no way to use gate/sustain to make it function better for non-percussive purposes? This might be a stupid question but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. This is one of my first modular synths.


As read from the manual that calnyc quoted, yes you can CV the Cutoff with the VCF MOD input... The VCF Mod knob controls the amount(attenuation) of CV being input into the VCF mod input.

As for the other part of your question I cannot decipher. Can you elaborate further?

With other modules in a eurorack system you can totally achieve non-percussive sounds out of the DFAM quite easily.

With no other modules you can do things like bass lines and lead lines.. Example: If you turn the VCO EG amount knobs counterclockwise into the negative range, have a short VCO EG deacy, and click the pitch switch to send pitch data to one or two VCOs, then you can make some cool bass lines with the sequencer.. Then send some random or controlled random into the VCO CV in and blammo! Groove city.... Oh I also click the rarely used slow/ fast EG switch into the slow position..

Dose that make sense?


Thank you!! That makes sense now (the VCF Mod issue).

Regarding the other question, I guess the limitation is that the VCA decay is always on and I can't get a sustained note that doesn't eventually decay. Could I use a seperate VCA/envelope generator with this instead to be able to get a sustained note? And if so, how? I'm guessing I can use the VCA CV and VCA Decay inputs, but I have to buy another module before I can test it and I want to make sure I get one that works for my purposes.

I'm sorry if I should be able to figure this out from the manual, but this is one of my first modules so I'm still 'learning to wiggle' as they say.


I'm planning to get a DFAM and would like to know this as well. I'm guessing you can tap into the VCA input with an external envelope and use it as a synth voice
NoLegs
Yup. Just put an envelope into the VCA CV Input and you're all set. Another option if you just want to use the oscillators would be to send VCO 1 or VCO 2 (or both if you use a mixer of some kind) to an external filter/VCA/LPG/whatever and use a different EG.
JakoGreyshire
NoLegs wrote:
Yup. Just put an envelope into the VCA CV Input and you're all set. Another option if you just want to use the oscillators would be to send VCO 1 or VCO 2 (or both if you use a mixer of some kind) to an external filter/VCA/LPG/whatever and use a different EG.


Yeah, Cool enough.... Funny thing for me.... The VCA input was always over looked for my patches.. The DFAM will trigger its VCA with the sequencer or an external trigger patched into the trigger input and then the VCA decay knobs would do their thing...

The engineers of the DFAM told us at the moogfest class that the envelops were designed to be used for percussion and they calibrated most of the DFAM PCBs after we built them in class. It was fun to watch the Oscilloscope while Steve calibrated our DFAM boards. I'm glad we are talking about this because I never thought to throw in a different envelope into the VCA.

d'oh!

I was pretty happy with the Envelopes the DFAM already had.. And if I wanted to use the DFAMs' VCOs for bass lines or melodies, I would take the VCO outs and put them into a different VCAs and throw a envelope at the VCAs, bypassing most of the rest of the DFAM.

Well, I just now had a jam with the DFAM and channel one of Make Noise Maths.. AD envelope into VCA input and bingo! Long envelopes and nice fast envelopes too.... Sounded like ring modulation with the fast ones...
Is that right? Or was it amplitude modulation? Anyway it was cool..

Here is a video I posted earlier in the thread where I am using intellijel VCAs to make a bass line. Also if you haven't see the video I made of the DFAM doing Formant sounds, check that out on my youtube page as well... I would recommend the Polyrhythm video I did as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_hOxrkkB1Y

Thanks again everyone for making me think differently about how to use the DFAM... There are so many things to be done with it...

This is fun! This is fun!

What else you got? Anyone? Come on, take yer best shot! (fired up over here..) I'll make some more DFAM related videos soon... I've got one ready to be edited where I'm using the DFAM and a Erica synths RND module and nothing else..

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By the way, @atlaspark1 PAMs is the DFAMs' BFF... I would also recommend a disting in a 104HP case because then you would have clocked delay and a whole bunch of other stuff like stereo effects that would go nicely into the morphagene. In fact now that I think about it, my opinion would be to loose the Make Noise Function (PAMs can do that duty) and put in two Distings.. I could jam that setup for days!!! Just my opinion though...(At least one Disting and another 4hp module... A mixer maybe? Manhatten Analog DTM? Mix audio and or CV... Or acutually a 4 HP attenuverter Like Circuit abbey Invy) We need some more opinions on this, I've got too many ideas... I'd have to see it laid out on MG....

Here is a jam I did where the DFAM is going into the Disting's clocked delay. I had the delays' feed back modulated and it made a kind of random Karplus Strong effect to the DFAM. I played the bass line live and improvised with an Arturia Keystep an some other VCO. It's a long jam and it gets better the further in you listen, around 4 minutes or so.. yeah, I just listened to it again... It gets cool the more more I tweaked the patch. Listen all the way through if you can..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TuTzS--18A&t=
NoLegs
Just a short patch today. I'm using a Sequential Switch to swap between clock divisions sent to the trigger in on the DFAM, and using a Precision adder to extend the 8 step sequencer on the DFAM. I'm using it as a mono synth in this, with 2 additional oscillators coming from my other two mother-32s.

GNSDG
Love this jam, NoLegs!
NoLegs
GNSDG wrote:
Love this jam, NoLegs!


Thanks! Rockin' Banana!
JakoGreyshire
Nice one NoLegs!

Could you further explain how you are using the Precision adder and sequential switch? Er, maybe elaborate the whole patch? Very interesting!

Thanks for sharing..
NoLegs
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Nice one NoLegs!

Could you further explain how you are using the Precision adder and sequential switch? Er, maybe elaborate the whole patch? Very interesting!

Thanks for sharing..


Sure, I'm running the Pitch out of the DFAM sequencer into a quantizer, which is then going into an input on the Precision Adder. I am then running a separate pitch sequence from a Lifeforms KB-1 into a second input on the Precision adder. This pitch sequence is running very slowly - I forget what division, but it basically just transposes the quantized sequence from the DFAM, up an octave, then to a 5th and then a 4th and then back to the root.

The Sequential switch is pretty simple in this patch - I'm running the same clock into the first input that I'm using to advance the DFAM, and then I'm running a second clock at twice the speed into the second input. The output is going into the Trigger input on the DFAM. I'm running a division of the clock into the step input on the sequential switch so every X clocks it switches between 1:1 clock with the DFAM's advance, and 2:1 clock with the DFAM's advance.
JakoGreyshire
Nice one NoLegs. Good patching! Thanks for the explanation! I definitely hear what's happening now..
atlaspark1
JakoGreyshire wrote:
By the way, @atlaspark1 PAMs is the DFAMs' BFF... I would also recommend a disting in a 104HP case because then you would have clocked delay and a whole bunch of other stuff like stereo effects that would go nicely into the morphagene. In fact now that I think about it, my opinion would be to loose the Make Noise Function (PAMs can do that duty) and put in two Distings.. I could jam that setup for days!!! Just my opinion though...(At least one Disting and another 4hp module... A mixer maybe? Manhatten Analog DTM? Mix audio and or CV... Or acutually a 4 HP attenuverter Like Circuit abbey Invy) We need some more opinions on this, I've got too many ideas... I'd have to see it laid out on MG....


Thanks very much for those suggestions Jako. Yeah, I can tell that PAMs and DFAM are perfect for each other. I made up this 104HP skiff with what I think would be a good match with the DFAM. I'm not sure if I'm wasting space by taking up so much of it with the Morphagene...

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JakoGreyshire
Yeah, it's tough to plan things out and then later on have time with it in your hands. Disting just got some new audio algorhythms that scrub and do other things.. I'd be wrong to say that some other module would come close or compare to morphagene... Depending on what you want to do with your skiff... you could be wasting space on the morphagene. It's hard to say..
You could always expand your case and get more modules later.. I think that I would have a lot of fun with this setup. especially making my own samples and song parts in a DAW and then putting them into morphagene. There will be a limitation to this setup at some point.. A Ceiling as it were.. If it were me, I'd be looking at more modules to buy on top of these ones... So starting out with a bigger case is always a way to save money in the long run...


I think we need another opinion here.... Anyone else have a suggestion?
drowld
How does it compare to a syncussion sy-1 ?
It sounds like it can go in the same territory
JakoGreyshire
Just a few more examples for the DFAM + 0-Coast....






slentthndr
I'm trying to use this as a melodic synth unit, and my problem is that the VCO Frequency knobs are SO TOUCHY that it's hard to dial in a proper note.

Right now I have a quantizer sending pitches to the VCO 1 and 2 inputs. Would it be possible to put some kind of knob in between the quantizer and the DFAM in that patch to get higher resolution control over the voltage and then just tape the DFAM's frequency knobs in one place??

And if so, what module would I use for that?
anselmi
slentthndr wrote:
I'm trying to use this as a melodic synth unit, and my problem is that the VCO Frequency knobs are SO TOUCHY that it's hard to dial in a proper note.

Right now I have a quantizer sending pitches to the VCO 1 and 2 inputs. Would it be possible to put some kind of knob in between the quantizer and the DFAM in that patch to get higher resolution control over the voltage and then just tape the DFAM's frequency knobs in one place??

And if so, what module would I use for that?



if you put an attenuator between the quantizer and the DFAM you will ruin the quantizer´s scaled voltages, so don´t do it

what you need is an offset generator to shift the entire voltages comming out from the quantizer until them match the A=440 hz standard
JakoGreyshire
anselmi wrote:
slentthndr wrote:
I'm trying to use this as a melodic synth unit, and my problem is that the VCO Frequency knobs are SO TOUCHY that it's hard to dial in a proper note.

Right now I have a quantizer sending pitches to the VCO 1 and 2 inputs. Would it be possible to put some kind of knob in between the quantizer and the DFAM in that patch to get higher resolution control over the voltage and then just tape the DFAM's frequency knobs in one place??

And if so, what module would I use for that?



if you put an attenuator between the quantizer and the DFAM you will ruin the quantizer´s scaled voltages, so don´t do it

what you need is an offset generator to shift the entire voltages comming out from the quantizer until them match the A=440 hz standard



Oh, umm... VCOs...in tune........ yep.

It would be nice to have a fine tune knob eh? If you tried to tape the knobs in place, you would probably bump them out of tune just touching the tape on or around the frequency knob.

I've read many threads here where people complain about this or that module and how hard they are to tune etc.....

For me the trick is to have a good tuner. I use Mordax data for tuning.
When you see the resolution of the frequency knob and how hard it is to get precisely tuned VCOs...... The Mordax Data makes it pretty easy though. I end up spending just a little bit of time tuning the VCOs. , then I'm off making music.

slentthndr what are you using to tune the VCOs with? A Guitar tuner maybe? A tuner in your DAW?

anselmi which offest generator would you use to do what you said and how would you monitor the adjustment of the offset? Details?? I know how to do it with what I have, I was just curious about which modules you have, and how you would to do this.. patching wise...
slentthndr
Thanks for the input.

What offset generator could I use? I've been searching, but most offset by +/- 5v or even 10v which isn't going to give me a fine enough adjustment if 1v represents a whole octave. A +/- 10v offset is going to change the frequency by ten whole octaves in either direction which is most of the auditory spectrum. I need a fine level of adjustment to dial in a precise tuning.

I'm just tuning by ear, to be honest. When I use tuners, I inevitably end up refining the final product by ear anyhow before I start recording. I'm classically trained, so I imagine part of this is just me having a massive and insufferable ego. But in any case, my problem isn't discerning whether or not the VCOs are in tune. My problem is that I can't adjust the tuning at a sufficiently high resolution. One tiny twitch to the left on the frequency knob and the voltage changes by a wide margin. I can't dial in a precise enough voltage to get the frequency I want to hear.

TL;DR.... I need a module that can offset cv by +/- 1v or 2v max.
Anyone know if this exists?

Something like the Doepfer A-185-2 Precision CV Adder could work, perhaps? (if I had one for each VCO). But it won't fit in my skiff anyway, so I need another suggestion.

The RS-420 by Analogue Systems would work, but it's big and expensive and again we'd need two of them.

This might work:
http://www.analoguehaven.com/almbusycircuits/alm002/
they insist herein that +/- 2v means 5 octaves of variability, but it's only two, right? The DFAM is 1v/octave? I hope I'm not going crazy.
davidjames
slentthndr wrote:
This might work:
http://www.analoguehaven.com/almbusycircuits/alm002/
they insist herein that +/- 2v means 5 octaves of variability, but it's only two, right? The DFAM is 1v/octave? I hope I'm not going crazy.


It's 2 octaves in either direction. So 2 octaves up and 2 octaves down, plus the neutral setting, is a 5 octave range.

Edit: But it snaps to 1V increments so it wouldn't give the fine tuning you're looking for. It seems like a miss for Moog, not to include the little pot shaft fine tune knobs that most modules have.

Edit Edit: Answered my own question. Frequency range is +/- 5 octaves, so a 10 octave range. Yeah, hard to dial in a pitch with that much range. Maybe run a 5V offset generator through an attenuator to limit it to 1V, then you'd have 1 octave of control using the offset knob.
slentthndr
[quote="davidjames"]
slentthndr wrote:
Maybe run a 5V offset generator through an attenuator to limit it to 1V, then you'd have 1 octave of control using the offset knob.


Woah..... that would work? Wouldn't that get in the way of what I'm trying to do with the quantizer?
JakoGreyshire
slentthndr wrote:
davidjames wrote:
Maybe run a 5V offset generator through an attenuator to limit it to 1V, then you'd have 1 octave of control using the offset knob.


Woah..... that would work? Wouldn't that get in the way of what I'm trying to do with the quantizer?



Damn! I want to try that with my Shades now.... unfortunately, I'll have to wait a few days.....

This is what I'm thinking.... Channel one of shades will be the offset generator and plug the quantizer into channel two. Turn up channel two very slightly. Since channel one flows into channel two then one could use channel one's knob to get the fine tune adjustment out of the slight amount of channel two's attenuation..

I want to try it out....


slentthndr what else do you have in your skiff?
slentthndr
JakoGreyshire wrote:
This is what I'm thinking.... Channel one of shades will be the offset generator and plug the quantizer into channel two. Turn up channel two very slightly. Since channel one flows into channel two then one could use channel one's knob to get the fine tune adjustment out of the slight amount of channel two's attenuation..

Are you sure channel two would be attenuating the amount of offset rather than the original quantized signal? I'm pretty sure you'd mess up the relative pitch by running the quantized signal through an attenuator, right? But I don't have the modules on hand to be able to test that, so I need someone else to chime in.

EDIT:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
slentthndr what else do you have in your skiff?

Yarns, uScale ii, a passive mult, and t-rex replicator. That's it so far. I'm building a befaco dual attenuator but I have more soldering to do.
JakoGreyshire
slentthndr wrote:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
This is what I'm thinking.... Channel one of shades will be the offset generator and plug the quantizer into channel two. Turn up channel two very slightly. Since channel one flows into channel two then one could use channel one's knob to get the fine tune adjustment out of the slight amount of channel two's attenuation..

Are you sure channel two would be attenuating the amount of offset rather than the original quantized signal? I'm pretty sure you'd mess up the relative pitch by running the quantized signal through an attenuator, right? But I don't have the modules on hand to be able to test that, so I need someone else to chime in.

EDIT:
JakoGreyshire wrote:
slentthndr what else do you have in your skiff?

Yarns, uScale ii, a passive mult, and t-rex replicator. That's it so far. I'm building a befaco dual attenuator but I have more soldering to do.


yeah, hmmm.... Then the quantizer would be in channel three, maybe.... Ch1 would be the generator, Ch2 would be the attenuation of the generator...... Ch3....shit! This is fun to think about but, I'm getting a little bit nervous not having my modular in my hands right now... Going through modular withdrawals I guess... I'll be able to try it out next week...Maybe someone else can help straighten this one out in the meanwhile...
davidjames
[quote="slentthndr"]
davidjames wrote:
slentthndr wrote:
Maybe run a 5V offset generator through an attenuator to limit it to 1V, then you'd have 1 octave of control using the offset knob.


Woah..... that would work? Wouldn't that get in the way of what I'm trying to do with the quantizer?


I was thinking you would take your quantizer output into a unity mixer, there are a few 2hp options out there. Then patch an offset generator through an attenuator to make the range 1V (or whatever range you want), then into another channel of the unity mixer. This way you're just adding a static offset of X volts (or semitones) to the quantized signal. Mix out of unity mixer to DFAM V/oct in. You're really just transposing the quantized signal within a smaller range, so you can use the DFAM Freq as coarse and the offset generator as fine tune.

tl;dr I could've probably explained that in less words. 5pm here in NY, I'm shot!
LameAim
Man, I got out of Euro last year but Plonk and the DFAM have thinking about jumping back in. Interested in building a small drum/percussion skiff around a DFAM racked with an extra empty Moog mini case. DFAM, Plonk, Pam's, a Disting... maybe there's enough space for another oscillator as well...
dbeats
Got my DFAM a few days ago. I really love the raw industrial analog sound and the great playability for live situations. The only module in my rig that comes close in terms of sound is the Boomtschak, but the DFAM is much more playable IMO and has wide ranges of sweet spots, as mentioned before by many others.

Too bad there is no reset input. Of course you could use the external trigger input, as Steve Dunnington pointed out, but then you would also need an external resetable cv sequencer like the A-155 and skip the built-in two rows of cv knobs altogether, which are the main feature of the DFAM for me, hmmm.

It immediately reminds me of the mother 32 having no LFO reset. These are obvious design flaws. Still hoping someone will eventually be able to fix this, would love to do the mod.
Phil F
Got my DFAM a few days ago and am playing it through my Matrixbrute at present. Really love it's sound and flexibility and, like something like the Oto Biscuit, less is actually more with it. I really love those very subtle percussive sounds it can make rather than the full on industrial (although I like that too!)

Quick question - as a CV noob, I've managed to attach the DFAM to my MB and am having fun experimenting with the options this has given me. Now, the MB has an audio IN which makes things quite straight forward but my MFB Dominion only has audio OUT. I'm new to CV, so how would I get sound from the DFAM to the Dominion?

Cheers!
paranoidmoonduck
The Dominion 1 has an EXT. IN 3.5mm jack on top of it for letting an external source in. When connected it replaces the noise generator (you have to change a mixer setting I think).

I'd be curious to hear how the DFAM works with the Biscuit, if you have examples.
dbeats
Ext In jack replaces the internal noise generator by an external audio signal.
holdthis
quick one

How to sync DFAm ,Korg VOlca and Pi Standuino or Bastl Kastle for example?
If I will get Korg sq1 I will be able to run this somehow?

Thank you for eventualy putting light on this puzzle...yes,Im new in this.
JakoGreyshire
holdthis wrote:
quick one

How to sync DFAm ,Korg VOlca and Pi Standuino or Bastl Kastle for example?
If I will get Korg sq1 I will be able to run this somehow?

Thank you for eventualy putting light on this puzzle...yes,Im new in this.


Wow, 1st post! Welcome to Muffs!

With the DFAM you can send a clock into the ADV/Clock input. the DFAM won't trigger in this way until you press the start/run button on the DFAM. In this way the DFAM will run while it receives a clock. With my SQ-1 advancing the DFAM the DFAM will run while the SQ-1's playback is stopped, because the Sq-1 will continuously send clock regardless of the SQ-1's sequencer is playing or in stop mode.

So, a better way to sync them all and be able to start and stop them(No Reset) would be to use the DFAM as the main clock source and taking the DFAM's Trigger output and run that into the sync input on the SQ-1. Press the SQ-1's Play/Stop button and then it will run when the DFAM's sequencer starts.

The cool thing about this way is that the SQ-1 will keep sending the clock whether it is playing or not.... So lets say the the DFAM trigger out goes to the SQ-1's sync in, and the SQ-1 Sync out then goes to a Korg Volca's sync input. The DFAM's sequencer is running and the SQ-1 and volca are stopped. You can hit the Play button on the Volca without needing to make sure that the SQ-1 is running/playing.... This would be fun if, lets say, that you were using the DFAM's sequencer for the clock going to the Volca, and the SQ-1's data was CV controlling different things on the DFAM like VCF Mod and VCA decay. Then you could start and stop the two korg devices and the DFAM could continue to do its thing and sometimes be affected by the SQ-1. When you wanted a complete stop you could just hit the Run/Stop button on the DFAM...

There are just a few ways to try syncing all these together... I'm not familiar with the Standuino or the Kastle..
holdthis
JakoGreyshire wrote:
holdthis wrote:
quick one

How to sync DFAm ,Korg VOlca and Pi Standuino or Bastl Kastle for example?
If I will get Korg sq1 I will be able to run this somehow?

Thank you for eventualy putting light on this puzzle...yes,Im new in this.


Wow, 1st post! Welcome to Muffs!

With the DFAM you can send a clock into the ADV/Clock input. the DFAM won't trigger in this way until you press the start/run button on the DFAM. In this way the DFAM will run while it receives a clock. With my SQ-1 advancing the DFAM the DFAM will run while the SQ-1's playback is stopped, because the Sq-1 will continuously send clock regardless of the SQ-1's sequencer is playing or in stop mode.

So, a better way to sync them all and be able to start and stop them(No Reset) would be to use the DFAM as the main clock source and taking the DFAM's Trigger output and run that into the sync input on the SQ-1. Press the SQ-1's Play/Stop button and then it will run when the DFAM's sequencer starts.

The cool thing about this way is that the SQ-1 will keep sending the clock whether it is playing or not.... So lets say the the DFAM trigger out goes to the SQ-1's sync in, and the SQ-1 Sync out then goes to a Korg Volca's sync input. The DFAM's sequencer is running and the SQ-1 and volca are stopped. You can hit the Play button on the Volca without needing to make sure that the SQ-1 is running/playing.... This would be fun if, lets say, that you were using the DFAM's sequencer for the clock going to the Volca, and the SQ-1's data was CV controlling different things on the DFAM like VCF Mod and VCA decay. Then you could start and stop the two korg devices and the DFAM could continue to do its thing and sometimes be affected by the SQ-1. When you wanted a complete stop you could just hit the Run/Stop button on the DFAM...

There are just a few ways to try syncing all these together... I'm not familiar with the Standuino or the Kastle..


Hi Jako,

big thanks for your replay sir,special for my first appearance after setting up account here...never mind....your answer convinced me to get SQ1 on board now,never try to work in sync with music gear,but DFAM will be side project and looking the way to run all in one nice direction-> synced for sure.Thank you for helping and have a nice day.

p.s. Bastl Kastle is worth to check,not sure where your mind is going with music but here is the link to their shop if you would like to try-> http://www.bastl-instruments.com/instruments/kastle/kastle-v1-5/
The Junglechrist
Hey there everyone ! Here is a fun video we did the DFAM, our first 10 patches with it in a row :

magnetize
apologies if this has already been addressed in the thread...

is it possible to clock the DFAMs sequencer to the M32 without using the M32 assignable out ?

would like to keep the M32 assignable out for random duties if possible
tehyar
magnetize wrote:
apologies if this has already been addressed in the thread...

is it possible to clock the DFAMs sequencer to the M32 without using the M32 assignable out ?

would like to keep the M32 assignable out for random duties if possible


Clock them both to something else? Not exactly what you asked, I know.
magnetize
tehyar wrote:
Clock them both to something else? Not exactly what you asked, I know.


im hoping to keep it simple and just use the two units for a project..
tehyar
magnetize wrote:
tehyar wrote:
Clock them both to something else? Not exactly what you asked, I know.


im hoping to keep it simple and just use the two units for a project..


Yea, it was all I could come up with. seriously, i just don't get it

I've been clocking the pair to my iPad recently...
magnetize
tehyar wrote:
I've been clocking the pair to my iPad recently...


hmm, didnt think of that as a possibility.

what are you using for that... audio click?
tehyar
magnetize wrote:
tehyar wrote:
I've been clocking the pair to my iPad recently...


hmm, didnt think of that as a possibility.

what are you using for that... audio click?


Sending gates to jacks via Expert Sleepers FH-1 from the multi-channel sequencer app I'm using: Quantum. So I'm basically not using the internal sequencer(s). Maybe that could be viewed as I'm not really "syncing" them together at that point? Hadn't thought of it like that.

Btw it's a blast drawing modulation curves on the fly with a finger for multiple things I can jack it into.
magnetize
tehyar wrote:

Sending gates to jacks via Expert Sleepers FH-1 from the multi-channel sequencer app I'm using: Quantum. So I'm basically not using the internal sequencer(s). Maybe that could be viewed as I'm not really "syncing" them together at that point? Hadn't thought of it like that.

Btw it's a blast drawing modulation curves on the fly with a finger for multiple things I can jack it into.


sounds cool

im happy just programming the DFAM/M32 sequencers.. just wanna sync them & keep the randomisation on the M32
JakoGreyshire
Well, one could use the gate out of the M32 into the ADV/Clock input of the DFAM... The M32 would need to have continuous notes/events firing from the sequencer.. If you wanted to have a muted note or some dynamics to the sequence then one could tie notes together or try some clever patching to mute a note at a certain time when certain conditions are met... Like plugging a dummy plug into the Ext. In jack and then throwing some voltage into the VC mix CTRL input. A high voltage would essentially turn the mix knob to the right and mix in the silence created by the dummy plug.. The dummy plug is disconnecting the noise from the mix knob.

Just a thought..
chiasticon
not sure it helps with the clocking discussion but I was stoked to figure out the following...

I wanted to use an Octatrack to send midi clock/start/stop and have always been annoyed that the SQ1 is a little temperamental with this over USB (which I *hate* using USB for midi!). I finally buckled down and figured it out for both the SQ1 and DFAM. best solution is just to send midi clock via a Kenton interface to the SQ1 clock in, then out to the DFAM. you can choose the clock resolution on the Kenton as well. makes it super simple. well, for the most part... you need to set the SQ1 to the step you want to start on when you hit play, and the DFAM to the step *before* the one you want to start on when you hit play. after that, they're dead on all day long (over USB, SQ1 would drift on me).
jasev
Armstrb wrote:




Anyone know where I can get these knows in the UK?
magnetize
jasev wrote:

Anyone know where I can get these knows in the UK?


thonk sell them as a kit
magnetize
JakoGreyshire wrote:
Well, one could use the gate out of the M32 into the ADV/Clock input of the DFAM... The M32 would need to have continuous notes/events firing from the sequencer.. If you wanted to have a muted note or some dynamics to the sequence then one could tie notes together or try some clever patching to mute a note at a certain time when certain conditions are met... Like plugging a dummy plug into the Ext. In jack and then throwing some voltage into the VC mix CTRL input. A high voltage would essentially turn the mix knob to the right and mix in the silence created by the dummy plug.. The dummy plug is disconnecting the noise from the mix knob.

Just a thought..


cheers, sounds like a option. ill give that a go.

might look into picking up a doepfer msy2 too
jasev
magnetize wrote:
jasev wrote:

Anyone know where I can get these knows in the UK?


thonk sell them as a kit


Cheers
slentthndr
Is there any way to calibrate the VCOs on the DFAM to correct for intonation issues? Any hidden pots somewhere that I can adjust (as on the Mother or the new Behringer clone) to fix the relative pitch?

To clarify what I mean by intonation.... if I tune the VCO to a perfect C note in one register and then play a C an octave above or below its a little off.
booger
calnyc wrote:
Day one I had buyer's remorse. It seemed like a competent drum machine but not really outstanding in that regard. Mainly because can patch kicks, hats, and snares on most synths.

Day two it occurred to me that calling it a drum machine is super-limiting. The drum sounds are probably the least interesting thing about it.

Day three it's indispensable. Let it run free behind any track and it adds depth, life, and variance. It's really opened up a new avenue of creativity for me.


Just got my DFAM and had the exact same experience. Creative patching really brings out some great rhythms. It can be the star of the show for creating hard techno but otherwise excels and adding the little bit of sizzle to sit behind your tracks.

I just wish that Moog would sell blank cut-outs. I'm hoping that I get to know this thing well enough that I can dial up my tones without having to reference a patch sheet.
Roy72
A note on fudging a fine tune from an attenuverter:

Be aware that unity mixers may not be accurate enough to hold pitch over a couple of octaves, that are not necessarily calibrated to a tight tolerance. Most manufacturers wont publish tolerances, so I'm not sure how something like the Intellijel 2hp unity mixer would work.

MI Shades can do this though, you patch a small offset from one into channel 2 input - channel 2 in +/- mode. Put sequence into Channel 3, in + only mode and dial it fun CW. Take the output from Ch.3 into your v/oct input.

The Doepfer Precision Adder and the MI Links middle section is also accurate enough for padding pitch voltages, and if you want to max it out, maybe Argos Bleak.

Hope that helps.
Rost + Licht
i'm so set on this from the first second but not quite on getting a mother yet.

will i be able to sync the internal sequencer of the DFAM via a midi2CV adapter? how would that work, like 1 note per step? cant get my head around this and at schneidersladen they didnt know also.
moloque
Got it since yesterday and I love it. Now gotta include it in my setup. It’s easy to sync with the gear which takes analog pulse but My microgranny is left out with only midi clock input. So I’m considering a Disaster Area
SMARTClock Gen3 as master clock for my station but it’s only giving tap tempo out. So my question is would it work with the DFAM or will it require an other converter? I don’t have any pedals which sends tap tempo so I cannot try this. So if someone could?

I know for almost the same price I could have a beatstep pro which would be perfect for that since it can send both midi and pulse but It’s kinda too big for my case and I don’t needs the sequencer...


Anyway if I’m missing something, or you’d use other options or whatever please let me know!


w00t SlayerBadger!
AW198
I have one on the way - get ready for some self-generating patches when it arrives! I'm looking forward to squeezing this thing dry.
Antlerface
https://instagram.com/p/BhuZbegAIJl/

This is a patch w just a Dfam, Snazzy Wow&Flutter, Maths, and Erbeverb. Was going for a 3 module patch but it needed some reverb.

I love this thing, have it in my 12U case and don’t mind that it eats over half a row. Same with the m32. They’re both great.

I initially thought I wasn’t going to keep the DFAM. Kick/Snare patches are cool and all, but my Drumfuck does that in spades.

Thennnnn I started to really fuck with it and cross patch it with the m32 and the rest of the system. It isn’t going anywhere. So fun, and it runs slow enough that I can really use it to be the backbone of a patch and have everything else swirling in and out.

I like doom and rhythmic noise, and the dfam excels at the slow and crushing.
AW198


Self-gen patch with my M32s, I guess you could call it 'heavy ambient'? Anyway, finally some percussion in my music, whoop! Not sure the DFAM is for me in the long run because it's a bit heavy and not great for self-gen, but we'll see.
JakoGreyshire
^ Nice Patch! I'm sure you'll find some Generative ways for it... I'd be interested to know what you come across... Especially if you find some useful hidden tricks like you have with the Mother32... Check out my youtube page for some DFAM tricks... Like, I have a trick to make odd steps out of the 8 step sequencer on the DFAM...Formant sounds... etc..

EDIT: now that I think about it... what's his name does a lot of generative patches with the DFAM.... Rhenye?? These are generative right?



NoLegs
Sending triggers to it from another clock source while using the internal clock for advancing the step sequencer, and CVing the tempo and various envelopes can get you into pretty out there territory, quickly
slentthndr
Can anyone think of a mod for fixing the absurdly wonky intonation on this thing? On mine, the oscillators are wildly out of tune if you try to play a line that spans more than an octave. Especially VCO1. The intonation on VCO2 isn't wildly bad but it's still not great. Anyone else had this experience?
zoneswithoutpeople
Sold my Sub 37 to get a Mother 32 and DFAM combo.

Just got the DFAM last night, really love it already. Build quality is excellent, as always from Moog, it just looks and feels satisfying. The VCO's and filter sound more vintage than the Sub37, warmer somehow. It has a punchy, full sound that I haven't heard from any other drum synth, a very distinct timbre.

Having the VCO's be so wide-ranging and the sequencer un-quantized means it is fairly difficult to get anything melodic out of it, at least without painstaking tweaking. The knobs have a huge range, but in the context of percussion I think this is a plus. It definitely leads to a more experimental approach. It's not the kind of instrument you sit down and try to get something specific out, it's more of a happy accident playground, and a way to get interesting loops and samples for further processing.

I am looking forward to integrating it with the rest of my system, maybe using a quantizer for the VCO's, and my Stillson to sequence more of the parameters. I feel like the Voltage Block would be a good pairing with this, but I don't have one yet. Excited to combine this with the BIA though.

The knobs are distractingly small for the sequencer, does anyone know a suitable replacement I can buy that would fit on top?? The Thonk pack is sold out. Is there a standardized size that I can search for?
Henfield
Would the Synth Pointer #4 knobs from Small Bear work on the DFAM?
budinis
had some jam-sessions last week... always with dfam and other modular gear...
maybe you like it?!


[s]http://soundcloud.com/banalytic/20180430_jam[/s]
[s]http://soundcloud.com/banalytic/201800501_jam[/s]
 [s]http://soundcloud.com/banalytic/201800505_jam[/s]
mikmanner
Here's a mashup of the DFAM with the ALM Akemie's Castle:



Using the envelope outs on the DFAM to mangle the Castle.
mahrman
drowld wrote:
How does it compare to a syncussion sy-1 ?
It sounds like it can go in the same territory
AW198
JakoGreyshire wrote:
^ Nice Patch! I'm sure you'll find some Generative ways for it... I'd be interested to know what you come across... Especially if you find some useful hidden tricks like you have with the Mother32... Check out my youtube page for some DFAM tricks...


It might take me a while to find some hidden tricks, but I'm working on getting the most out of it! I feel like there are some patching possibilities that I'm not quite seeing yet which will really open my eyes... In the meantime, I'll check out your youtube w00t
AW198


May as well also drop another patch here, just in case anyone was interested. It's a nice slow creepy ambient self-gen patch with the DFAM doing some tonal percussion. The gate output of the M32 is patched to the FM amount of the DFAM oscillators, so whenever the M32 changes note the DFAM gets nasty for a bit.

I thought it sounded a bit like an old, breaking S.O.S. signal from some vehicle (spaceship maybe?) lost in space or deep underground, with no chance that it'll ever get heard...

Whatever anyone else thinks this sounds like, it's nice to add percussion to self-gen patches, even if it is an 8-step repeating sequence. Not quite as good as Rheyne's video linked above, but hey, I'll get there.
ugokcen
The more examples I hear, the more I want a DFAM hyper But seriously, there are so many amazing modules these days that $700 can buy that it's not an easy choice.

Looking at the specs, i see that there's a single VCA for amplitude. So how could you combine a long booming kick with a noisy click for example? Another question: when you take the sequencer pitch or velocity out of the patch does that break the normalization? Also in the sequencing department, is anyone using an external sequencer with the DFAM? I find 8 steps a bit limiting.
AW198
ugokcen wrote:
Looking at the specs, i see that there's a single VCA for amplitude. So how could you combine a long booming kick with a noisy click for example? Another question: when you take the sequencer pitch or velocity out of the patch does that break the normalization? Also in the sequencing department, is anyone using an external sequencer with the DFAM? I find 8 steps a bit limiting.


You could get a click with a long kick by having a short VCO envelope decay (for the pitch drop of the kick) and a long VCA decay (for the 'boom'), and then patching the VCO envelope to the noise level. It would probably sound like a more powerful kick but there you go, if you wanted a longer click you could use the VCF envelope instead and make the VCF decay where you want.

Patching with the sequencer pitch/velocity outputs does not break the normalisation, but patching using the pitch/velocity inputs does, which annoys me to no end because I often want to just have some subtle modulation around a main sequence of pitched notes or whatever. My main annoyance here is that patching into the pitch input (for example) also breaks the connection between the sequences pitches and the sequencer pitch out and turns pitch out into a 'thru' of the pitch input! This seriously limits the modulation capabilities imo.

8 steps is very limiting but it's great for tweaking live. I think it would be a good performance drum synth but it is a bit limited for setting and forgetting. I don't tend to use another sequencer with the DFAM because as I mentioned above, patching into the pitch/velocity inputs renders the pitch/velocity outputs useless, meaning that I'm wasting a large modulation source (I can't afford that in my small setup).
ugokcen
AW198 wrote:
You could get a click with a long kick by having a short VCO envelope decay (for the pitch drop of the kick) and a long VCA decay (for the 'boom'), and then patching the VCO envelope to the noise level.


OK, so there's a another VCA in the background there giving you control over the noise level, independent of the VCA knob on the panel right?

AW198 wrote:
My main annoyance here is that patching into the pitch input (for example) also breaks the connection between the sequences pitches and the sequencer pitch out and turns pitch out into a 'thru' of the pitch input!


Wow, that's a serious omission. It sounds like the sequencer cannot be completely uncoupled from the sound engine. It's weird that the normalization is broken in one direction but not the other. It would make sense to me to break it going out so that pitches and envelopes could be modulated by external sources, while the sequencer would take on other duties in your patch.
AW198
ugokcen wrote:
AW198 wrote:
You could get a click with a long kick by having a short VCO envelope decay (for the pitch drop of the kick) and a long VCA decay (for the 'boom'), and then patching the VCO envelope to the noise level.


OK, so there's a another VCA in the background there giving you control over the noise level, independent of the VCA knob on the panel right?


Yes, the noise/ext audio has its own VCA which is summed with the knob position of the noise/ext audio, so you can modulate its volume. I guess it's technically a VCAmplifier, since an external envelope will increase the noise/ext audio volume from where the knob is, rather than increase the volume from 0 to the position of the knob?
AW198
Having played around a bit more, the velocity out actually isn't coupled to the velocity in. I have absolutely no idea why I thought it was, I recall thinking it was when trying out certain patches.

Clearly I don't know the DFAM at all well enough to comment on its abilities yet.
presidentofvice
AW198 wrote:


May as well also drop another patch here, just in case anyone was interested. It's a nice slow creepy ambient self-gen patch with the DFAM doing some tonal percussion. The gate output of the M32 is patched to the FM amount of the DFAM oscillators, so whenever the M32 changes note the DFAM gets nasty for a bit.

I thought it sounded a bit like an old, breaking S.O.S. signal from some vehicle (spaceship maybe?) lost in space or deep underground, with no chance that it'll ever get heard...

Whatever anyone else thinks this sounds like, it's nice to add percussion to self-gen patches, even if it is an 8-step repeating sequence. Not quite as good as Rheyne's video linked above, but hey, I'll get there.


Love this one. Very cinematic.
AW198
I don't want to spam this thread with patches like the ones I've posted above, so if anyone is interested I'm putting out more DFAM + M32 patches on my youtube channel (linked below). Today I put out one using the DFAM for playing chords, and next Saturday will bring a more creepy patch with the DFAM giving a growly FM bass.
djshiva
Just brought home my DFAM from Moogfest. I love this thing. Great little techno machine. SlayerBadger!
JakoGreyshire
djshiva wrote:
Just brought home my DFAM from Moogfest. I love this thing. Great little techno machine. SlayerBadger!



This thread has a lot of good info for you if you are new to the Dfam...

Lots of pages to get through...ughh... Read throught it if you can...
Ask questions( perferably after reading the whole thread , but not necessary)
If i may also suggest, if you have not read the thread, then check out my youtube page for some cool Dfam tricks and patches... Happy Dfam Fever!!!
digitalganesha
AW198 wrote:
I don't want to spam this thread with patches like the ones I've posted above, so if anyone is interested I'm putting out more DFAM + M32 patches on my youtube channel (linked below). Today I put out one using the DFAM for playing chords, and next Saturday will bring a more creepy patch with the DFAM giving a growly FM bass.


Posting real life use and experience of the gear that is the subject of the thread, by real live forum members; is exactly the type of post that belongs here. Spam is the opposite of that.
JakoGreyshire
digitalganesha wrote:
AW198 wrote:
I don't want to spam this thread with patches like the ones I've posted above, so if anyone is interested I'm putting out more DFAM + M32 patches on my youtube channel (linked below). Today I put out one using the DFAM for playing chords, and next Saturday will bring a more creepy patch with the DFAM giving a growly FM bass.


Posting real life use and experience of the gear that is the subject of the thread, by real live forum members; is exactly the type of post that belongs here. Spam is the opposite of that.


+1

For a while I was posting lots of Dfam related stuff here and it kind of starts to feel weird... Like dominating the thread or something.. But really, we're all glad to have new content, AND it's not only for the present, but for posterity. Years from now people will be happy that they don't have to go searching somewhere else to find the video you are talking about. It's right there and they can watch the video and keep reading.. A timeline of progression... I was really bummed when I got a Noisering and the old thread had nothing but defunct links! not one example was present! I'm still bummed out about that....
zombie

I would be posting lots more content right now if I wasn't up to something major... When the time is right we should all do our best and inspire each other to craft some Dfam goodness.... Give me about a month or two and I'll have some new Dfam tricks to share...

Keep Posting...
Catflap
I was a little cynical towards the DFAM when it came out.. lord knows why. It sounds amazing and the sound pallet of this thing is right up my alley.
AW198
JakoGreyshire wrote:
digitalganesha wrote:
AW198 wrote:
I don't want to spam this thread with patches like the ones I've posted above, so if anyone is interested I'm putting out more DFAM + M32 patches on my youtube channel (linked below). Today I put out one using the DFAM for playing chords, and next Saturday will bring a more creepy patch with the DFAM giving a growly FM bass.


Posting real life use and experience of the gear that is the subject of the thread, by real live forum members; is exactly the type of post that belongs here. Spam is the opposite of that.


+1

For a while I was posting lots of Dfam related stuff here and it kind of starts to feel weird... Like dominating the thread or something.. But really, we're all glad to have new content, AND it's not only for the present, but for posterity. Years from now people will be happy that they don't have to go searching somewhere else to find the video you are talking about. It's right there and they can watch the video and keep reading.. A timeline of progression... I was really bummed when I got a Noisering and the old thread had nothing but defunct links! not one example was present! I'm still bummed out about that....
zombie

I would be posting lots more content right now if I wasn't up to something major... When the time is right we should all do our best and inspire each other to craft some Dfam goodness.... Give me about a month or two and I'll have some new Dfam tricks to share...

Keep Posting...


Valid points! I'll keep posting my stuff with the DFAM. Here was last Saturday's video where it plays chords:
Tumulishroomaroom
Catflap wrote:
I was a little cynical towards the DFAM when it came out.. lord knows why. It sounds amazing and the sound pallet of this thing is right up my alley.

Same... I want one really bad but I'll try to wait till one pops up second hand. Mylar's 30min demo with the Rainmaker really sold me on it. This things sounds so good. (I'm already halfway there though, I'm getting a Rainmaker... One at a time...)
scuto
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
Catflap wrote:
I was a little cynical towards the DFAM when it came out.. lord knows why. It sounds amazing and the sound pallet of this thing is right up my alley.

Same... I want one really bad but I'll try to wait till one pops up second hand. Mylar's 30min demo with the Rainmaker really sold me on it. This things sounds so good. (I'm already halfway there though, I'm getting a Rainmaker... One at a time...)


Also same. I was not convinced at first glance, but folks whose opinions I trust (even though their musical use-cases are different) said it's greater than the sum of its parts. Now it is the only thing that would lead me to return seriously to beat-making. I'm very curious to hear how it and my ol' Machinedrum MkI would sound together, but even more curious about the amount of fun the two interacting would be!
AW198
Interestingly, the sequencer tracks at 1V/Oct - if you push the tempo into audio rates you can play the sequencer with an external keyboard, using a fast envelope as a 3rd oscillator. Bizarre but cool!

JakoGreyshire
^NICE!!! I knew you could do it!! Can't wait to see what else you unlock.. Drone heaven...here I come!
AW198
JakoGreyshire wrote:
^NICE!!! I knew you could do it!! Can't wait to see what else you unlock.. Drone heaven...here I come!

Ha! It wouldn't be my first choice for a drone synth at that price (Lyra 4 anyone?) but glad I could help hihi
Snail
Catflap wrote:
I was a little cynical towards the DFAM when it came out.. lord knows why. It sounds amazing and the sound pallet of this thing is right up my alley.


I think if you just look at it on paper it's underwhelming because it doesn't look like it can do much. But once you start playing with it, it's just a lot of fun and sounds great. And you pair it with one or two other things (as the great mylarmelodies video shows so well) and the thing is kick-ass.

There are a lot of synths/drum/beat machines that look better on paper, yeah, but are not nearly as fun to play with. An instrument has to be fun and inspiring and sound good for people to keep using it. I think this is one people will be using for a while. I know I have been trying to convince myself it's no good, but I played them for hours at Moogfest and hell, I want one.
digitalganesha
Catflap wrote:
I was a little cynical towards the DFAM when it came out.. lord knows why. It sounds amazing and the sound pallet of this thing is right up my alley.


I was skeptical and a little cynical too, but I became euphoric when I heard the damn thing, AND very cynical because this thing is seriously one of the best sounding things Moog has made; and it makes me wonder.... the DFAM is a niche product on the lower tier of Moog's price points. So in my mind I think the following = lower tier means a looser atmosphere for its developing and creating and/or passing the project off to a newer employee with more free reign to do what they want. If any of that is the case, Moog should take note of it and apply it to ALL the products. There is a lot of success and a lot of awesome in the DFAM. While nothing about it is new or innovative; it is 100% fresh, clever and capable!

Snail wrote:
[I think if you just look at it on paper it's underwhelming because it doesn't look like it can do much. But once you start playing with it, it's just a lot of fun and sounds great. And you pair it with one or two other things (as the great mylarmelodies video shows so well) and the thing is kick-ass.

There are a lot of synths/drum/beat machines that look better on paper, yeah, but are not nearly as fun to play with. An instrument has to be fun and inspiring and sound good for people to keep using it. I think this is one people will be using for a while. I know I have been trying to convince myself it's no good, but I played them for hours at Moogfest and hell, I want one.


Yes. EXACTLY!
AW198
The DFAM does a pretty mean FM bass, and when you add some noise modulating the filter cutoff and chuck it all through a reverb it makes a fantastic dark soundscape.

Antlerface
That was great, AW198!
ScientificDreamz
Just ordered a DFAM, looking to add some extra knobs on the trimpots that the sequencer and osc/noise volumes have.

Saw Thonk have a dedicated DFAM knob upgrade kit but its sold out, can anyone who already has their DFAM or has added extra knobs let me know which size/type of knobs I'll need?

For instance, will these small 'erica' style knobs fit?
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/erica-knobs-6-35mm-shaft/

Cheers!
ugokcen
AW198, what's in that patch? If that is all DFAM and some effects than I'm ordering right away hyper. Sounds amazing.
zoneswithoutpeople
The DFAM is so fuckin gnarly, every time I turn it on I create some insane throbbing bassline or kick pattern. The low frequencies it puts out put my other synths to shame - with my sub on the DFAM shakes my entire apartment. SlayerBadger!

It is amazing for dark, industrial techno - anyone that likes Pan Sonic, Byetone, Silent Servant, etc. will love one of these. I think combining it with a Voltage Block for more stepped modulation would be excellent. Gotta get some more demos up here soon.
ScientificDreamz
care to share any clips/videos of it in pan sonic mode? smile
Tumulishroomaroom
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:
The DFAM is so fuckin gnarly, every time I turn it on I create some insane throbbing bassline or kick pattern. The low frequencies it puts out put my other synths to shame - with my sub on the DFAM shakes my entire apartment. SlayerBadger!

It is amazing for dark, industrial techno - anyone that likes Pan Sonic, Byetone, Silent Servant, etc. will love one of these. I think combining it with a Voltage Block for more stepped modulation would be excellent. Gotta get some more demos up here soon.

Don't say one more word pls I'm this close from ordering it.


Edit : Fuck it just ordered.
joskery
Anyone sequencing their DFAM with external sequencers? I've been searching high and low for people using the DFAM in such a way. Seems like the possibilities would be very much extended by using a more advanced sequencer, but would of course love to see it for my own eyes in a video...

I'm considering one, but am slightly worried about

1) it being too harsh – I'm often looking for subtlety
2) how to integrate it as part of my setup and actual song-making. hence the sequencer question above smile
luketeaford
joskery wrote:
Anyone sequencing their DFAM with external sequencers? I've been searching high and low for people using the DFAM in such a way.


I'm borrowing a friend's DFAM and really LOVE the trigger input on this thing. You can run the sequencer at a different rate than trigger (which can be a clock or even an irregular clock) and you will get triggering only when both are high which is really fluid. It's a bit like the ol' s&h a sequence with a different clock trick.

So in my case, I've gotten tons of use out of it with nothing more than another LFO... and with the two Mother 32s I already have... oh yeah.
GNSDG
Yeah I’ve used it with a couple external sequencers. I find it really fun to have some more complex/longer stuff running but still use the built in rows for hands on tweaking.
NoLegs
I find it fun to send uneven triggers/gates to either the trigger or advance input while sending a steady clock to the other. Or send a different clock division to one or the other - like a divide by 3 clock division to the advance, but a straight clock to the trigger in. Sequential switches are also your friend for varying up the sequencer.
AW198
ugokcen wrote:
AW198, what's in that patch? If that is all DFAM and some effects than I'm ordering right away hyper. Sounds amazing.


That's 90% DFAM with delay and reverb, and 10% Mother 32s (the high pitched background sounds and the main tune) w00t
sirjpink
joskery wrote:
Anyone sequencing their DFAM with external sequencers?
I'm considering one, but am slightly worried about

1) it being too harsh – I'm often looking for subtlety

Being a recent DFAM owner, so not that much experience with it yet, but I've found that it can actually behave really well. The harshness (which I totally dig for techno) comes mostly from the noise modulation of the VCF and added noise to osc1 and osc2. Turn those down and it actually becomes really smooth and polite.

Disclaimer: I am biased, currently loving the hell out of the DFAM.
joskery
sirjpink wrote:
joskery wrote:
Anyone sequencing their DFAM with external sequencers?
I'm considering one, but am slightly worried about

1) it being too harsh – I'm often looking for subtlety

Being a recent DFAM owner, so not that much experience with it yet, but I've found that it can actually behave really well. The harshness (which I totally dig for techno) comes mostly from the noise modulation of the VCF and added noise to osc1 and osc2. Turn those down and it actually becomes really smooth and polite.

Disclaimer: I am biased, currently loving the hell out of the DFAM.


I am very glad to hear that, as I might have just ordered one! This is fun! Good price at Juno.
joskery
luketeaford wrote:
joskery wrote:
Anyone sequencing their DFAM with external sequencers? I've been searching high and low for people using the DFAM in such a way.


I'm borrowing a friend's DFAM and really LOVE the trigger input on this thing. You can run the sequencer at a different rate than trigger (which can be a clock or even an irregular clock) and you will get triggering only when both are high which is really fluid. It's a bit like the ol' s&h a sequence with a different clock trick.

So in my case, I've gotten tons of use out of it with nothing more than another LFO... and with the two Mother 32s I already have... oh yeah.


I'm a pretty deterministic guy when it comes to sequencing (gradually getting over it though), so for me, not being able to do precisely the things I want to happen on the one of a bar is a fairly big conceptual leap grin But I can see how it could be very fun, too. Luckily I can sequence this thing externally if I want complete control. A reset input would've been nice in any case, but oh well.
ratchet
I have nothing to add to move this forward, other than to say...

I just got my DFAM today and it is fantastic. This is what synthesis used to be about. I have literally played with this thing non-stop since unboxing about six hours ago. I am in my 50s and this just feels like it belongs in my era but is also very much of now. It has a magical combination of getting what you expect when turning certain knobs and being wide-eyed surprised when turning others.

Going to bed now so I can get up early and start again!
anselmi
ratchet wrote:
It has a magical combination of getting what you expect when turning certain knobs and being wide-eyed surprised when turning others.


SOLD! SlayerBadger!
joskery
ratchet wrote:
I have nothing to add to move this forward, other than to say...

I just got my DFAM today and it is fantastic. This is what synthesis used to be about. I have literally played with this thing non-stop since unboxing about six hours ago. I am in my 50s and this just feels like it belongs in my era but is also very much of now. It has a magical combination of getting what you expect when turning certain knobs and being wide-eyed surprised when turning others.

Going to bed now so I can get up early and start again!


<3 This feels good. Can't wait to be able to play it for myself, too.
sirjpink
joskery wrote:

<3 This feels good. Can't wait to be able to play it for myself, too.

I hope you'll have as much fun as I am having.

For sound reference, here's a DFAM-only jam I did yesterday (only normalized the wav). A little noisy due to recording straight from the vca output into the computer (my audio interface is rubbish), but it just shows the range of the sonic palette the DFAM has even in this limited techno scenario. Gets more subtle towards the end w00t
[s]https://soundcloud.com/sir-j-pink/dfam-jam-1-20180603[/s]
anselmi
sirjpink wrote:
joskery wrote:

<3 This feels good. Can't wait to be able to play it for myself, too.

I hope you'll have as much fun as I am having.

For sound reference, here's a DFAM-only jam I did yesterday (only normalized the wav). A little noisy due to recording straight from the vca output into the computer (my audio interface is rubbish), but it just shows the range of the sonic palette the DFAM has even in this limited techno scenario. Gets more subtle towards the end w00t
[s]https://soundcloud.com/sir-j-pink/dfam-jam-1-20180603[/s]



great session! SlayerBadger!
InsectInPixel
Just ordered one. I'm weak.
parome
Wondering for those that have had some time with these, and if used them in a more traditional way, i.e some standard kick/snare/perc type rhythms, as a structural backing for a track, whether they've found that frustrating trying to corale it into that function?

Also, the sound seems like it can push into fairly aggresive territory, would you say it has a decent range in their more mellow side of things? I usually, side on the more mellow for drums and simirly am not sure whether I'd find it's too limited for that.

Digging what people are doing with these though. There are some (mostly older) drum synths out there, but very few with onboard sequencers.
drowld
sirjpink wrote:

[s]https://soundcloud.com/sir-j-pink/dfam-jam-1-20180603[/s]

waw really really great. Around 6mn the kick is stellar. Do you recall how you patched it ?
I'm still using the reaktor version of the dfam and i'm on the fence of buying one
sirjpink
Thnx for the encouragement ppl. Glad you like it!
drowld wrote:

waw really really great. Around 6mn the kick is stellar. Do you recall how you patched it ?
I'm still using the reaktor version of the dfam and i'm on the fence of buying one


Honestly, I wasn't really paying much attention to the knob position, just listening and grooving and trying to learn what happens when I twist certain knobs.

HOWEVER

There wasn't much patching going on (I just used one cable) so I tried recreating dat kick and this is the patch I came up with:


Things to note:

  • Short decay on VCO
  • Shorter decay on VCF
  • Moderate envelope amounts on both VCO1 (the kick) and VCF
  • Quite a bit of VCF noise mod
  • Low cut-off on the LP filter
  • VCO2 does add to the shaping of the sound


Hope this helps you smile
Snail
sirjpink wrote:
joskery wrote:

<3 This feels good. Can't wait to be able to play it for myself, too.

I hope you'll have as much fun as I am having.

For sound reference, here's a DFAM-only jam I did yesterday (only normalized the wav). A little noisy due to recording straight from the vca output into the computer (my audio interface is rubbish), but it just shows the range of the sonic palette the DFAM has even in this limited techno scenario. Gets more subtle towards the end w00t
[s]https://soundcloud.com/sir-j-pink/dfam-jam-1-20180603[/s]


Awesome track. Thanks for sharing! I love what happened around 10:00-10:30. Very funky.

I have to sell some gear first and then I'm picking up one of these babies...
drowld
sirjpink wrote:

Things to note:

  • Short decay on VCO
  • Shorter decay on VCF
  • Moderate envelope amounts on both VCO1 (the kick) and VCF
  • Quite a bit of VCF noise mod
  • Low cut-off on the LP filter
  • VCO2 does add to the shaping of the sound


Hope this helps you smile


Thanks a lot it does helps a lot. Really nice sound
Anyone actually own 2 dfam ?

It's screaming resampling. Live resampling.
Would love to hear 2 dfam play together

It would be really nice to be able to have a different faceplate which shows increments for vco1/2 frequency and for the individual notes. So you are free to choose a note or not.
Not sure how hard it would be to do something like that.

Does anyone know the range of the vco1/2 knobs on the dfam ?
Also on the individual notes of the seq ?

It would be really helpful to dial it live
mikmanner
A little DFAM jam, thought I'd see what I got out of just a Drumbrute and a DFAM fed into 4ms DLD and Tapographic Delays. I tap a Lyra every now and then too hah:

https://soundcloud.com/mgfm_sounds/brutefamjamf

Result is pretty flat but damn I love that DFAM.
AW198


Bit of Karplus-Strong synthesis with the DFAM - gives it some nice stereo width and texture.
Tajnost
Is there something like a portable case for DFAM + M32, which you can close and easily bring to the gig?
Tumulishroomaroom
The is a Moog bag for either the DFAM or M32 but not for both. I'll probably get it though, it looks perfect for carrying one of them around.
sirjpink
Tajnost wrote:
Is there something like a portable case for DFAM + M32, which you can close and easily bring to the gig?


Well, you could always take the DFAM an M32 out of their official cases and put them in a eurorack flight- or suitcase. wink

That being said: I have a 6U/104hp suitcase and I'm just keeping my DFAM as a stand-alone unit, because why "waste" a perfectly good 60hp when I can put in more modules instead, right?

While I do like the "official" gig-bag, I am personally leaning more towards something like a peli case. It's actually not that much more expensive but it does allow one to pick a (slightly) larger case and bring more things than just a single M32 or DFAM, such as headphones, power supply and patch cables. Or even more Moog semi-modulars!

Also, a hard shell will probably offers more protection than a soft shell bag.

If you want to just leave the M32+DFAM in such a case whilst playing, you could consider doing some DIY and replace the side panels with something like this (but with two cases instead of four): https://ask.audio/articles/stunning-diy-sawtooth-wooden-panels-for-moo g-mother-32-other-synths

That way the panels will line up and create a nice flat area.
AW198


Another little tutorial for the DFAM, getting a random LFO from its oscillator.
Kennymester
Thanks everyone for sharing vids and tracks. Really settled my mind on getting a DFAM for myself. The pic below is what I have in mind for it. Already have everything else in the case besides the DFAM. Going to be a strange type of drum machine for my live sets.

Honeyears
Hi,

Thanks for this great forum! I have a question regarding DFAMs and such. First, I want to lock the pitch on this thing. Would a quantizer do that? or do I need another module.
Also, does anyone have any experience syncing two DFAMs? Can you tempo lock the two together? Last, this is undoubtedly one of the greatest pieces that Moog has released. Ever! Seriously, I haven't had this much fun playing music in along time.
ScientificDreamz
very quick jam recorded last night, DFAM on kick/percussion duties, accompanied by a Serge VCFQ
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-803223622/vcfq-dfam/s-e7XEp[/s]
sirjpink
ScientificDreamz wrote:
very quick jam recorded last night, DFAM on kick/percussion duties, accompanied by a Serge VCFQ
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-803223622/vcfq-dfam/s-e7XEp[/s]


Very cool! That's a great sound: smooth and atmospheric.

Honeyears wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for this great forum! I have a question regarding DFAMs and such. First, I want to lock the pitch on this thing. Would a quantizer do that? or do I need another module.
Also, does anyone have any experience syncing two DFAMs? Can you tempo lock the two together? Last, this is undoubtedly one of the greatest pieces that Moog has released. Ever! Seriously, I haven't had this much fun playing music in along time.


First, welcome to Muff's! w00t

Yes a quantizer would do that. Just take the pitch out -> quantizer -> VCO 1 or 2 input. You might also want to consider an attenuator to tame the pitch range as it is really wide on the DFAM sequencer.

Not sure about tempo lock per sé, but you could use a seperate controllable, fixed, voltage source (buffered) multed to both tempo inputs. Or use an external clock (like the Beatstep) with a clock pulse and run/stop gate out to accomplish this.
bnek
ScientificDreamz wrote:
very quick jam recorded last night, DFAM on kick/percussion duties, accompanied by a Serge VCFQ
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-803223622/vcfq-dfam/s-e7XEp[/s]


nicely done, that sounds fantastic!
Tumulishroomaroom
ScientificDreamz wrote:
very quick jam recorded last night, DFAM on kick/percussion duties, accompanied by a Serge VCFQ
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-803223622/vcfq-dfam/s-e7XEp[/s]

Excellent ! Could have lasted 7min.
ScientificDreamz
cheers smile
Honeyears
sirjpink wrote:
ScientificDreamz wrote:
very quick jam recorded last night, DFAM on kick/percussion duties, accompanied by a Serge VCFQ
[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-803223622/vcfq-dfam/s-e7XEp[/s]


Very cool! That's a great sound: smooth and atmospheric.

Honeyears wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for this great forum! I have a question regarding DFAMs and such. First, I want to lock the pitch on this thing. Would a quantizer do that? or do I need another module.
Also, does anyone have any experience syncing two DFAMs? Can you tempo lock the two together? Last, this is undoubtedly one of the greatest pieces that Moog has released. Ever! Seriously, I haven't had this much fun playing music in along time.


First, welcome to Muff's! w00t

Yes a quantizer would do that. Just take the pitch out -> quantizer -> VCO 1 or 2 input. You might also want to consider an attenuator to tame the pitch range as it is really wide on the DFAM sequencer.

Not sure about tempo lock per sé, but you could use a seperate controllable, fixed, voltage source (buffered) multed to both tempo inputs. Or use an external clock (like the Beatstep) with a clock pulse and run/stop gate out to accomplish this.

Thanks for your help.
TheDegenerateElite
drowld wrote:


It would be really nice to be able to have a different faceplate which shows increments for vco1/2 frequency and for the individual notes. So you are free to choose a note or not.
Not sure how hard it would be to do something like that.

Does anyone know the range of the vco1/2 knobs on the dfam ?
Also on the individual notes of the seq ?

It would be really helpful to dial it live


Analog pots are incrementally marked because they all vary according to the actual tolerances of the pot itself. Because they vary, the markings are just general hints at values.

You could possibly make an overlay that works just for your DFAM, but the tuning would change as the unit heats up or in different environments/humidities/etc.

The fastest way, other than by ear, is to just use a guitar tuner you can plug into.
The Junglechrist
Sex between the DFAM, his mother and a 0-Coast :

pickleinn
Loving the DFAM - always sounds good - accidents are all fun and great:
InsectInPixel
i've had the DFAM for a week or so and i'm having a blast with it. i've been experimenting with it using the Metropolis and had interesting results. even using the gate and slide time from the Metro does neat things to the DFAM. At times it's like the Metro morphs the DFAM into a drum and bass module.
no videos/audios yet. i should at least share some of my pleasure out of it. seeing everyone else's is inspiring!
sirjpink
InsectInPixel wrote:
i've had the DFAM for a week or so and i'm having a blast with it. i've been experimenting with it using the Metropolis and had interesting results. even using the gate and slide time from the Metro does neat things to the DFAM. At times it's like the Metro morphs the DFAM into a drum and bass module.
no videos/audios yet. i should at least share some of my pleasure out of it. seeing everyone else's is inspiring!

Sounds like a ton of fun! Do record something and share smile

I am still developing a feel for the DFAM, slowly adding a little more to it, but not much. Here's a second little tune I did adding my Mysteron (triggered from the DFAM) and a little delay in post.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/sir-j-pink/dfam-jam-2-20180615[/s]

What keeps on striking me is just how many sweet spots the DFAM has. Especially compared to the Mysteron which is a far more fickle thing (only slowly wrapping my head around it).
TheDegenerateElite
If anyone is on the fence, it looks like Sweetwater has the DFAM on sale through June 26th for their Gearfest.

100 bucks off, so 499.99 total.
mmagin
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
If anyone is on the fence, it looks like Sweetwater has the DFAM on sale through June 26th for their Gearfest.

100 bucks off, so 499.99 total.


Yeah, I really shouldn't buy more gear, but this was irresistible.
Also I've been thinking about the DFAM for a while and I am really happy that Moog is making something a bit different than their usual.
TheDegenerateElite
mmagin wrote:
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
If anyone is on the fence, it looks like Sweetwater has the DFAM on sale through June 26th for their Gearfest.

100 bucks off, so 499.99 total.


Yeah, I really shouldn't buy more gear, but this was irresistible.
Also I've been thinking about the DFAM for a while and I am really happy that Moog is making something a bit different than their usual.



I know that sentiment well.

I just bought a Grandmother last month and a TR-08 two weeks ago.....but grabbed a discounted DFAM too.
Synth Con Meo
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
mmagin wrote:
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
If anyone is on the fence, it looks like Sweetwater has the DFAM on sale through June 26th for their Gearfest.

100 bucks off, so 499.99 total.


Yeah, I really shouldn't buy more gear, but this was irresistible.
Also I've been thinking about the DFAM for a while and I am really happy that Moog is making something a bit different than their usual.



I know that sentiment well.

I just bought a Grandmother last month and a TR-08 two weeks ago.....but grabbed a discounted DFAM too.



Well I am glad I'm not the only one who "gave in" to the GAS demon. I bought the DFAM when it was first available, but just bought a Grandmother and a TR-8S a couple weeks back. I did get the TR-8S at a discount though.
thisoldmike
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
If anyone is on the fence, it looks like Sweetwater has the DFAM on sale through June 26th for their Gearfest.

100 bucks off, so 499.99 total.


Oh hell yeah, just ordered. Thanks for the heads-up! nanners
Tumulishroomaroom
I've had mine for a couple of weeks but I've just had time to dig into it these past few days. I love it very much, so instantly playable, so fun, so full of sweet spots. I've only jut used it for percussion so far, but the "presets" show how much more there is to this beast.

Anyway here's a first real track with it where it comes real early and stay on mostly all the time, doing the subdued toms in the background :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/scorched-dub[/s]
m:o
^ This is immense - i like it!

I have the DFAM since yesterday and i mostly come up with basslines - kind of unexpected :-) a great machine with the distinctive moog sound.

First little recordings with an Mbase11 some hihats and Reverb/Delay.
Some small modulations from the Eurorack (FM Amount, Filter CV)

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-944186188/dfam1[/s]

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-944186188/dfam2[/s]
booger
@ Tumulishroomaroom and m: o

Great tracks! The DFAM seems perfect for hard techno.
m:o
thanks, and you`re right about the hardside.
It`s so fun, i had to tweak a bit again

The Agonizer!

(Dfam, Kick, Hat, Reverb)

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-944186188/dfam3[/s]
TheDegenerateElite
Well my DFAM arrived yesterday and all I can say is Damn DFAM.

This synth is insane. I truly think that this will be a genre defining instrument in someones hands aside from all the other great things people have been posting.


Anyone who doesn't really like it, hasn't really tried it.

Fuck that subbass from the preset sheet that it comes out of the box set too....my God. It even puts the TR-08 bass to shame.

I thought I was going to destroy my monitors and panicked!
AW198
I've had the DFAM for plenty of time now, and played around lots with it.

I think I'm going to sell it.

It's never really gelled with me and I can't stop thinking about it as just a stack of money in a form that I've never really got on with. My plan is to run it through one last marathon and make a track using it and then put it up for sale - it makes some great sounds but not the sounds I want to make.
sirjpink
AW198 wrote:
I've had the DFAM for plenty of time now, and played around lots with it.

I think I'm going to sell it.

It's never really gelled with me and I can't stop thinking about it as just a stack of money in a form that I've never really got on with. My plan is to run it through one last marathon and make a track using it and then put it up for sale - it makes some great sounds but not the sounds I want to make.

Shame, I really enjoy the videos you made about it (some nice inspiration there). But if it's not your thing, it is better to let it go.

(too bad I don't have the budget atm to adopt a second DFAM wink )
sirjpink
meek! wrote:
thanks, and you`re right about the hardside.
It`s so fun, i had to tweak a bit again

The Agonizer!

(Dfam, Kick, Hat, Reverb)

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-944186188/dfam3[/s]
Lovely... these are very nice. Especially enjoying the outro on #3, a very nice and acidic bass line you've got going there.
AW198
sirjpink wrote:
AW198 wrote:
I've had the DFAM for plenty of time now, and played around lots with it.

I think I'm going to sell it.

It's never really gelled with me and I can't stop thinking about it as just a stack of money in a form that I've never really got on with. My plan is to run it through one last marathon and make a track using it and then put it up for sale - it makes some great sounds but not the sounds I want to make.

Shame, I really enjoy the videos you made about it (some nice inspiration there). But if it's not your thing, it is better to let it go.

(too bad I don't have the budget atm to adopt a second DFAM wink )


I appreciate it!

I just found that I was very limited in what patches I could do if I didn't want it to get too repetitive in my videos, and generally I didn't really get on with it. It was more kinda a 'this is something I should own because I have a Mother 32' purchase rather than a 'this is an awesome synth that I really want' purchase.

Hopefully someone else will enjoy it more than me!
moloque
Just having fun with the acidbox 3 with both channel used in series. For me the filter of the Moog isn't that interesting but now got proper grits. The Acidbox lfo is sync by the DFAM..

Rockin' Banana!

AW198
Right, decided to sell mine now. I wonder if I'll miss it?
ScientificDreamz
Bought a korg SQ1 to pair with the DFAM, thinking to extend the sequencer length to 16 steps.

However, when I patched in the SQ1 CV out to the velocity input on the DFAM I was surprised that it sounded very different from the DFAMs native sequencer, even experimenting with different CV voltage ranges and an attenuator between the SQ1 and the DFAM.

With the SQ1 there's a much more pronounced clicky attack, almost as if it was using an exponential envelope instead of linear - even though all I'm changing is the velocity modulation source.

Anyone else tried using the SQ1 to sequence the DFAM velocity? Cheers
InsectInPixel
Here's a vid of me playing with the DFAM's filter. It's so much fun!
DFAM acid test
This is one of those modules where every time you play it, something different comes out with little effort.
thisoldmike
I picked up a DFAM a couple weeks back and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. I'm curious about how y'all are syncing it to the rest of your gear. I'm running clock out of a Digitakt into a cv.ocd, and then sending clock from it to a Make Noise Tempi, which is sent to the adv/clock input on the DFAM. It stays in sync nicely but if anyone knows how to sync the transport as well, I'd love to hear about it. I've tried various combinations of transport start/stop on the cv.ocd and sending that to the run/stop input on the DFAM, and none have worked yet. Is there a good way to do this?
Richjk7
I picked up two from sweetwater during their gearfest sale and absolutely love them.

Im using the trigger out of a 626 to control them, it even swings too!
fattyparts
thisoldmike wrote:
I picked up a DFAM a couple weeks back and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. I'm curious about how y'all are syncing it to the rest of your gear. I'm running clock out of a Digitakt into a cv.ocd, and then sending clock from it to a Make Noise Tempi, which is sent to the adv/clock input on the DFAM. It stays in sync nicely but if anyone knows how to sync the transport as well, I'd love to hear about it. I've tried various combinations of transport start/stop on the cv.ocd and sending that to the run/stop input on the DFAM, and none have worked yet. Is there a good way to do this?


i'd like to know too. my current work flow is MPC live midi out to doepfer dark time, gate out to DFAM advance clock. early days, but works thus far. i've tried using the DTs clock out, but for some reason it makes the DFAM run superfast
fattyparts
has anyone clockED the DFAM using trig-out from a roland tr-09 or 08?
Jim's computer beats
fattyparts wrote:
has anyone clockED the DFAM using trig-out from a roland tr-09 or 08?


Yes, it works.
Alphaman
two weeks later, you will be bored wink
it's always like that
DonaldDuck
I had a different problem when trying to clock the DFAM with the clock of my Electribe ESX-1. I use an o-coast as an midi to cv converter.
The DFAM was really slow.
but i think it is that slow, because it is interpreting each cklick of the clock as one step. But the clicks are 1/4, while, i use the steps of the DFAM as 1/8.
So i need to run the electribe at the double of the tempo i want to achieve.
But the tempo of the electribe is limited and i need it in normal tempo to use it like i want to.

am i right, that i can solve this problem with a clock multiplier?
TXBDan
pickleinn wrote:
Loving the DFAM - always sounds good - accidents are all fun and great:


I love this. Refreshingly happy. Sort of a badass in Miami in the '50s feel.
blangis
such an awesome sound on this machine. very darkwave vibes in the demo video. im tempted to get it just to make some bullshit regis techno
Tumulishroomaroom
blangis wrote:
some bullshit regis techno

Definitely worth it.
TXBDan
Mine is on my front door step as we speak! I also got a used Mother 32 that'll arrive early next week. (ebay 15% deal is nice)

I went a little module synth nuts a couple years ago, but sold it all. I'm looking forward to getting back into it. I'm hoping to keep it contained to these two gadgets.

(ha ha ha...)
subLimb
thisoldmike wrote:
I picked up a DFAM a couple weeks back and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. I'm curious about how y'all are syncing it to the rest of your gear. I'm running clock out of a Digitakt into a cv.ocd, and then sending clock from it to a Make Noise Tempi, which is sent to the adv/clock input on the DFAM. It stays in sync nicely but if anyone knows how to sync the transport as well, I'd love to hear about it. I've tried various combinations of transport start/stop on the cv.ocd and sending that to the run/stop input on the DFAM, and none have worked yet. Is there a good way to do this?


Having a similar question. When I try to use the start / stop input with my CV.OCD transport, I get no audio.
TXBDan
I've spent a couple hours with the DFAM so far. It's tricky. I'm relatively new to this stuff and it certainly isn't as intuitive as a the M32 or other vanilla monosynths. I find i'm racking my brain more and being creative less. For example, the VCA Decay knob in the upper left doesn't seem labeled well. The one knob seems to control attack and decay? Once i memorize the knobs and their functions better it should start to open up.

I'm using it alone for now. My (second, sold the first last year) Mother 32 outta show up today so it'll be real fun to get them working together.
anselmi
TXBDan wrote:
For example, the VCA Decay knob in the upper left doesn't seem labeled well.


this knob controls the DECAY of the envelope that modulate PITCH of both VCOs by the amount of the VCO1 EG AMOUNT and VCO2 EG AMOUNT, in both negative (counteclockwise) and positive (clockwise) ways

Quote:
The one knob seems to control attack and decay?


nope, just DECAY
the only control over the attack time of an envelope (the VCA one) is the switch with FAST and SLOW positions that is below the VCA EG label
Rico
Love the dfam! Capable of all sorts of sounds, percussive and otherwise. Made this with dfam only, just to try it out when I got it: https://soundcloud.com/wheelsounds/moog-dfam-only
TXBDan
anselmi wrote:
TXBDan wrote:
For example, the VCA Decay knob in the upper left doesn't seem labeled well.


this knob controls the DECAY of the envelope that modulate PITCH of both VCOs by the amount of the VCO1 EG AMOUNT and VCO2 EG AMOUNT, in both negative (counteclockwise) and positive (clockwise) ways

Quote:
The one knob seems to control attack and decay?


nope, just DECAY
the only control over the attack time of an envelope (the VCA one) is the switch with FAST and SLOW positions that is below the VCA EG label


Yeh. That's true of course, just doesn't feel intuitive yet. It's getting better though.
TXBDan
Rico wrote:
Love the dfam! Capable of all sorts of sounds, percussive and otherwise. Made this with dfam only, just to try it out when I got it: https://soundcloud.com/wheelsounds/moog-dfam-only


Nice! a good variety of sounds. How many tracks is that?
AW198
It's amazing how popular the DFAM is yet no-one in the UK wants one for cheap hihi
TXBDan
At least make a few more videos on it! smile
AW198
I might at this rate, it's just sitting in a box waiting to be sent off...
JakoGreyshire
TXBDan wrote:
At least make a few more videos on it! smile



+1000 thumbs up thumbs up
AW198
JakoGreyshire wrote:
TXBDan wrote:
At least make a few more videos on it! smile



+1000 thumbs up thumbs up


aaaaand it was bought last night! Sorry guys, didn't get a chance to break it out again seriously, i just don't get it we'll just have to wait until the subharmonicon comes knocking around before I spice up my modular.
windspirit
So I am also loving my DFAM but am moderately frustrated by the sequencer. I have been using an SQ-1 to trigger/ sequence the drums from a normal gate/ pitch sequencer and sync the internal sequencer as more of a modulation source. I have noticed however that the "trigger" input only seems to trigger a drum on the falling edge of a gate. This means that I have to use the SQ-1 with the minimum pulse width of a gate at all times. Not the end of the world but there are lots of gate sequencers out there that have a static 10 ms trigger width and that would definitely be noticeably out of sync with the other gear. Does this seem like a pretty big oversight to anyone else or does this only happen with the SQ-1?
hinterlands303
windspirit wrote:
So I am also loving my DFAM but am moderately frustrated by the sequencer. I have been using an SQ-1 to trigger/ sequence the drums from a normal gate/ pitch sequencer and sync the internal sequencer as more of a modulation source. I have noticed however that the "trigger" input only seems to trigger a drum on the falling edge of a gate. This means that I have to use the SQ-1 with the minimum pulse width of a gate at all times. Not the end of the world but there are lots of gate sequencers out there that have a static 10 ms trigger width and that would definitely be noticeably out of sync with the other gear. Does this seem like a pretty big oversight to anyone else or does this only happen with the SQ-1?


More about the sq-1 than how it works with the DFAM - but i regularly use a gate to trigger module with the sq-1 when I want to pluck low pass gates or other things where a shorter trigger is ideal.
mosaiclive
I swore I was done with anything modular after getting rid of most of my more 'modular' gear but these recent Moog offerings have me very tempted! Seeing the 3-tier Moog rack filled with two M32s and a DFAM seems almost too awesome not to do.

Ahhh, why do they do this to us!?
TXBDan
I dig many of the DFAM sounds, but i'm not feeling like i'm getting the most out of it. I don't think it offers the same bang for the buck that the Mother 32 does. I've decided we must part ways. It's not you, it's me.

I sold all my modules a year or so ago so my current setup is just a Mother 32 and the DFAM. I think i need more foundational elements before adding the DFAM back in. A two M32 + DFAM setup would make a lot more sense i think.

I'm trading it in for an 0-coast to see what that's all about.
piper
anselmi wrote:
TXBDan wrote:
For example, the VCA Decay knob in the upper left doesn't seem labeled well.


this knob controls the DECAY of the envelope that modulate PITCH of both VCOs by the amount of the VCO1 EG AMOUNT and VCO2 EG AMOUNT, in both negative (counteclockwise) and positive (clockwise) ways


It took me a while to figure that out.

Here are two things I've figured out that might help others:

1) Both VCOs can function as LFOs

2) Noise/VCF Mod adds noise unless something is patched into VCM Mod.

Combining both of those, you can patch the VCOs (as LFOs) to VCF Mod and VCO Decay and have ever changing (yet not random) sounds.
Tumulishroomaroom
I have still to come to grips with the architecture of this, especially with the patch bay; but one thing for sure is that it sounds amazing and makes me glad I got a sub earlier this year (also; that the apartment underneath me is vacant for a while).

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnQ5w6Dg4Qh/?taken-by=l.marchal
NoLegs
Quick test integrating the 2hp Brst with the DFAM and Mother-32. Brst is controlling snare rolls on the DFAM as well as ratcheting across the X-axis on Rene, which is driving the Mother-32. I'm using a Voltage Block to modulate the VCF and VCA envelope lengths to vary up the percussion sequence even more.

Phil F
I've got a Roland Se-02, Ableton and a DFAM. The SE-02 has got Trigger Out. At present, Ableton is sending midi clock to the SE-02. Could I use this midi clock and connect the DFAM to the SE-02? SO, in effect, Ableton will be sending clock to the DFAM through the SE-02
GNSDG
NoLegs wrote:
Quick test integrating the 2hp Brst with the DFAM and Mother-32. Brst is controlling snare rolls on the DFAM as well as ratcheting across the X-axis on Rene, which is driving the Mother-32. I'm using a Voltage Block to modulate the VCF and VCA envelope lengths to vary up the percussion sequence even more.



I feel like I’m being dense about this but how are you routing the DFAM triggers and Brst? This is really cool.
anselmi
NoLegs wrote:
Quick test integrating the 2hp Brst with the DFAM and Mother-32. Brst is controlling snare rolls on the DFAM as well as ratcheting across the X-axis on Rene, which is driving the Mother-32. I'm using a Voltage Block to modulate the VCF and VCA envelope lengths to vary up the percussion sequence even more.



sounds like Trent Reznor was going to start singing at any moment SlayerBadger!
NoLegs
GNSDG wrote:
NoLegs wrote:
Quick test integrating the 2hp Brst with the DFAM and Mother-32. Brst is controlling snare rolls on the DFAM as well as ratcheting across the X-axis on Rene, which is driving the Mother-32. I'm using a Voltage Block to modulate the VCF and VCA envelope lengths to vary up the percussion sequence even more.



I feel like I’m being dense about this but how are you routing the DFAM triggers and Brst? This is really cool.


I'm using the 2hp Brst module to trigger snare rolls on the DFAM. The pitch sequencer on the DFAM is patched into the noise level on the DFAM (to set which step the snare hits on), and the same sequence is going into the "pulses" input on the Brst module. The higher the pitch knob is turned up on a sequence, the louder the snare is, and the more pulses are in the burst. It's also doing double duty - and triggering ratcheting along the X-axis of the Make Noise Rene, which is driving the Mother-32.
I'm also using a Voltage Block to change the decay length of the VCF and VCA on the DFAM.
NoLegs
anselmi wrote:

sounds like Trent Reznor was going to start singing at any moment SlayerBadger!


He's not answering my emails seriously, i just don't get it
anselmi
NoLegs wrote:
anselmi wrote:

sounds like Trent Reznor was going to start singing at any moment SlayerBadger!


He's not answering my emails seriously, i just don't get it


Have you tried to meet him in the gym? Maybe a "casual encounter" at the delts machine while you listen to this on your phone.
jasev
subLimb wrote:
thisoldmike wrote:
I picked up a DFAM a couple weeks back and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. I'm curious about how y'all are syncing it to the rest of your gear. I'm running clock out of a Digitakt into a cv.ocd, and then sending clock from it to a Make Noise Tempi, which is sent to the adv/clock input on the DFAM. It stays in sync nicely but if anyone knows how to sync the transport as well, I'd love to hear about it. I've tried various combinations of transport start/stop on the cv.ocd and sending that to the run/stop input on the DFAM, and none have worked yet. Is there a good way to do this?


Having a similar question. When I try to use the start / stop input with my CV.OCD transport, I get no audio.


Anyone help me out here, i'm getting no audio from the Dfam when using the run/stop, its fine with the Adv clock from Pamelas new work out but when using run/stop theres no audio from Dfam

Cheers Jase
thisoldmike
I've fiddled with this quite a bit and have tried various permutations of run/stop, tempo, adv/clock, and near as I can tell getting no audio when using the run/stop input is just how it is. Frustrating for sure.
JakoGreyshire
I'm not sure but I thought that the Run/Stop operates with a high or low voltage.. Probably 5V... So to get it to run, a 5V constant DC is required. To get the DFAM to stop, 0V is required.. So, if you send a gate to the run/ stop then the sequencer will run as long as the gate is high. If you have long gate lengths then the sequencer kind of skips along in a wonky fashion.. If you just send it a short trigger it won't do anything because a trigger isn't long enough to make it run...


This is all from memory... I could be wrong about this... I did test this out a while back with Pam's New Workout because Pam's has an option to keep a gate high during playback...

thisoldmike wrote:
I've fiddled with this quite a bit and have tried various permutations of run/stop, tempo, adv/clock, and near as I can tell getting no audio when using the run/stop input is just how it is. Frustrating for sure.


"Not getting audio" is a weird way to put it... Is the sequencer running and no audio is coming out? Because the run/stop input is only for the sequencer. The trigger input will trigger the envelopes and VCA to open and sound will come out... Which I'm sure you all know...

Some fun things to do is to advance the sequencer slowly and throw faster triggers into the trigger input. Or bursts of triggers into the trigger input... Done in some eucludian fashion one could get some cool bass drum rolls and then some normal snare hits and then some snare rolls and some regular bass drum hits.... All in time....

EDIT: Some of this is not explained very well... at those parts just use your imagination...

eek! eek! thumbs up thumbs up hihi hihi
KaOsphere
Just got a DFAM, really enjoying it so far !

At start I could not get any audio out of it and discovered that you have to use TS ( unbalanced ) cables to get sound...TRS just does not output anything...First time I see something like this but if this can help someone...
smile
Tumulishroomaroom
Here's a live techno jam with mat new live project duo as Roam where the DFAM is heavily featured; mostly as a complex oscillator this time. It's one of my favorite use of this really, especially processor through the Rainmaker. A surprise at the turn of every knob. Love this thing and I love having it in the rack !



audio only :

[s]http://soundcloud.com/roam-techno/live-rue-mayet[/s]
lorez
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
Here's a live techno jam with mat new live project duo as Roam where the DFAM is heavily featured; mostly as a complex oscillator this time. It's one of my favorite use of this really, especially processor through the Rainmaker. A surprise at the turn of every knob. Love this thing and I love having it in the rack !



audio only :

[s]http://soundcloud.com/roam-452348698/live-rue-mayet[/s]


really enjoyed that, thanks for sharing.

I picked mine up the other week and love it. I'm using it with a behringer neutron but now want to start adding some other eurorack stuff to extend both semi modulars. I want to make similar music to this so any advice on what to consider adding next?
gringostar
lorez wrote:


really enjoyed that, thanks for sharing.

I picked mine up the other week and love it. I'm using it with a behringer neutron but now want to start adding some other eurorack stuff to extend both semi modulars. I want to make similar music to this so any advice on what to consider adding next?


Disting for a host of reasons but mostly for quantizing the DFAM's sequencer.

After that I would say more modulation options, Maths, Tides, Batumi, or whatever you like.
Tumulishroomaroom
lorez wrote:


really enjoyed that, thanks for sharing.

I picked mine up the other week and love it. I'm using it with a behringer neutron but now want to start adding some other eurorack stuff to extend both semi modulars. I want to make similar music to this so any advice on what to consider adding next?

Thank you !

A good modulation source is definitely a good next step; something you can sync like Pamela, Batumi, Zadar etc... Then I'd say a nice FX as the DFAM really works wonder with delays and the like.
Synth Con Meo
[quote="Tumulishroomaroom"]Here's a live techno jam with mat new live project duo as Roam where the DFAM is heavily featured; mostly as a complex oscillator this time. It's one of my favorite use of this really, especially processor through the Rainmaker. A surprise at the turn of every knob. Love this thing and I love having it in the rack !




That was nice! With that beat going on I kind of expected Techno Viking to be prancing around in the background. thumbs up
Tumulishroomaroom
Synth Con Meo wrote:

That was nice! With that beat going on I kind of expected Techno Viking to be prancing around in the background. thumbs up

Thank you ! Ahah yeah no viking this time but hopefully there will be smile
lorez
I’ll check out the modulation recommendation and also effects. Any effects you think might work? I have a number of guitar pedals. Also what about vca’s or utilities?
Alphaman
i see the DFAM isn't equipped with a Midi input. what would be the best solution to sync the Machine with a Midi based setup? i don't have a Modular system, but a Analog drum machine with +12V trigger output over the Rim Shot. this output corresponds to a gate signal according to the user manual. can i use this output to sync the DFAM to the drum machine? the drum machine has Din Sync too btw!
Tumulishroomaroom
If you run the rimshot into adv/clock it should work. That would be the easiest solution. Otherwise you'd need a midi to cv convertir thing, either a module or something like the cv.ocd.
Alphaman
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.
anselmi
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK
Alphaman
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK


thx for the hint you MufFo wink
Henfield
Okay, I've had the DFAM for several months, and I have used it in many ways. Two questions I have for everyone are:

1) is there a way to get a direct noise out ( like the osc outs)? This is the biggest problem that I have with the unit (worse than lack of MIDI).

2) besides using the Thonk kit, has anyone bought knobs to go over the tiny knobs? Which ones would I get from Small Bear?
Alphaman
Henfield wrote:
Okay, I've had the DFAM for several months, and I have used it in many ways. Two questions I have for everyone are:

1) is there a way to get a direct noise out ( like the osc outs)? This is the biggest problem that I have with the unit (worse than lack of MIDI).

2) besides using the Thonk kit, has anyone bought knobs to go over the tiny knobs? Which ones would I get from Small Bear?



the Mofo 32 has a seperate audio output for the noise generator if i'm not wrong. but why it is a problem when the DFAM don't have it?
Henfield
Alphaman wrote:
Henfield wrote:
Okay, I've had the DFAM for several months, and I have used it in many ways. Two questions I have for everyone are:

1) is there a way to get a direct noise out ( like the osc outs)? This is the biggest problem that I have with the unit (worse than lack of MIDI).

2) besides using the Thonk kit, has anyone bought knobs to go over the tiny knobs? Which ones would I get from Small Bear?



the Mofo 32 has a seperate audio output for the noise generator if i'm not wrong. but why it is a problem when the DFAM don't have it?


I do not have the Mother 32, but I want to use the Noise Output from the DFAM, which I do have in my possession.
Alphaman
Henfield wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
Henfield wrote:
Okay, I've had the DFAM for several months, and I have used it in many ways. Two questions I have for everyone are:

1) is there a way to get a direct noise out ( like the osc outs)? This is the biggest problem that I have with the unit (worse than lack of MIDI).

2) besides using the Thonk kit, has anyone bought knobs to go over the tiny knobs? Which ones would I get from Small Bear?



the Mofo 32 has a seperate audio output for the noise generator if i'm not wrong. but why it is a problem when the DFAM don't have it?


I do not have the Mother 32, but I want to use the Noise Output from the DFAM, which I do have in my possession.


oh sorry i mean the DFAM.

on a german auction site i just saw a DFAM which is for sell with bigger knobs. look at that! i'll ask him where i got the knobs!

Synth Con Meo
Alphaman wrote:


oh sorry i mean the DFAM.

on a german auction site i just saw a DFAM which is for sell with bigger knobs. look at that! i'll ask him where i got the knobs!



Thonk sells them.
Alphaman
the seller told me, a Shop located in UK. but i think you can get fitting and cheaper Knobs elsewhere too. for example the aliexpress. com. this shop might masquerades as a Shop that is located somewhere in the western countries, but i'm pretty sure it's chinese. actually not a bad thing, but the shipping time takes longer.
Tumulishroomaroom
I usually hate the small pots on euro modules, but I don't mind them on the DFAM. The fact that the panel is well laid out and that there's plenty of space around them makes them easy to play.
stickman
Is there a way to transpose the dfam sequencer without using external offsets / adders?

Looking for an easy way to spice up loops
lorez
I did the thonk upgrade on the knobs, it helps with a little bit more control even though the range is wide on the pitch knobs.

I have a question, I am using the pitch from the sequencer to control the pitch on other oscillators as it's a 10v range (-5v to +5v) but I would like to use the velocity in a similar way but wondered whether the 5v range (0v to 5v) was a restriction, or would this just mean a more controllable pitch range?

I'd also like to know of other ways to use that velocity cv range to sequence more module control, what modules are you using it with?

I also know that the neutron I have can be set to use velocity on its notes it uses. Are there other modules that can use that?

Basically I'm looking for extending the 8 step sequencer outside the dfam to introduce interesting movement, control or variation into my creative ideas!
Alphaman
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK


i'm not a expert in the modular world!...in the DFAM manual it is written, that the ADV/Clock input needs +5 V (+10v tolerant). The Rim Shot of my Acidlabs Drumatix outputs +12V (10ms) according to the manual. couldn't it be slightly too much?
anselmi
Alphaman wrote:
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK


i'm not a expert in the modular world!...in the DFAM manual it is written, that the ADV/Clock input needs +5 V (+10v tolerant). The Rim Shot of my Acidlabs Drumatix outputs +12V (10ms) according to the manual. couldn't it be slightly too much?


ask Moog Music´s engineers...they got a pretty good customer service

easy way to solve it : you can put an attenuator in between...use this Koma patch cables...they´re handy for this kind of issues

https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=koma-attenuator-cable

the attenuator is hard to set to exact voltages, so for microvolts are not recommended, but for the range you need they´re ok...just set it and forget...maybe put some tape over it to be sure it will not move

or make yourself one (fixed attenuation) with a resistor inside the plug
here´s a thread about this:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1326969


another solution: Ryo Airtennuators...requires soldering too
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/products/airtenuator.html
Alphaman
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK


i'm not a expert in the modular world!...in the DFAM manual it is written, that the ADV/Clock input needs +5 V (+10v tolerant). The Rim Shot of my Acidlabs Drumatix outputs +12V (10ms) according to the manual. couldn't it be slightly too much?


ask Moog Music´s engineers...they got a pretty good customer service

easy way to solve it : you can put an attenuator in between...use this Koma patch cables...they´re handy for this kind of issues

https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=koma-attenuator-cable

the attenuator is hard to set to exact voltages, so for microvolts are not recommended, but for the range you need they´re ok...just set it and forget...maybe put some tape over it to be sure it will not move

or make yourself one (fixed attenuation) with a resistor inside the plug
here´s a thread about this:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1326969


another solution: Ryo Airtennuators...requires soldering too
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/products/airtenuator.html


thanks man. does this Attenuator Cable also works with a Gate signal or doesn't it matter?
anselmi
Alphaman wrote:
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
anselmi wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
what is a adv/clock? show me a couple of examples. by the way, i saw a video on youtube, where a guy synchronized a DFAM by the use of a sound card and a prepared audio file.


it´s an input that advance the sequencer 1 step when receive a proper signal like a short pulse...I bet your drum machine´s trigger output works OK


i'm not a expert in the modular world!...in the DFAM manual it is written, that the ADV/Clock input needs +5 V (+10v tolerant). The Rim Shot of my Acidlabs Drumatix outputs +12V (10ms) according to the manual. couldn't it be slightly too much?


ask Moog Music´s engineers...they got a pretty good customer service

easy way to solve it : you can put an attenuator in between...use this Koma patch cables...they´re handy for this kind of issues

https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=koma-attenuator-cable

the attenuator is hard to set to exact voltages, so for microvolts are not recommended, but for the range you need they´re ok...just set it and forget...maybe put some tape over it to be sure it will not move

or make yourself one (fixed attenuation) with a resistor inside the plug
here´s a thread about this:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1326969


another solution: Ryo Airtennuators...requires soldering too
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/products/airtenuator.html


thanks man. does this Attenuator Cable also works with a Gate signal or doesn't it matter?


a gate signal is just a short square-ish voltage so it will be attenuated for sure
Alphaman
i finally ordered a DFAM along with the Attenuator Cable from MusicStore.de smile. got it for 504 Euros. it was a return delivery that's why so "cheap"
Tajnost
Could someone finally confirm or disprove: is there a way to mod DFAM to have less than 8 steps and Backwards / Forwards / Pendulum / Random play modes? Is it technically possible?
JakoGreyshire
Tajnost wrote:
Could someone finally confirm or disprove: is there a way to mod DFAM to have less than 8 steps and Backwards / Forwards / Pendulum / Random play modes? Is it technically possible?


There is a way to make less than 8 steps by use of internal patching..

Read the patch details on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_R-okt0p0

As for the other things you've asked about...... Yes, it is technically possible. Why would it not be possible?

If someone had the time/patience and knowledge to do so, it could be done.

That would of course mean someone would have to reverse engineer part of the synth to find the part of the sequencer to modify. Design a circuit and hack that circuit into the DFAM. Add controls to the panel or side of case.

I think what you are really asking here is:
--"Has anyone done this modification already?"--
The answer to that question is, no, probably not.

It would be easier to get a sequencer that did all that stuff and patch it into the DFAM... Like an Korg SQ-1...

If you do find anyone modifying the DFAM to such an extreme extent, please share it with us. I'd like to see that.

thumbs up
naturligfunktion
Currently borrowing a DFAM from a friend. Think it's alright, but a bit difficult to tune. Maybe it's because we haven't had time to become friends yet. Overall, it's a promising machine in the studio.
Alphaman
i got my yesterday. a real fun machine, nice sound. i can sync the DFAM to my AL drumatix without any problems! in my opinion, bigger knobs for the sequencer are not needed. works good enough with the small ones, which i prefer.
Tumulishroomaroom
A couple snippets with the DFAM playing a big part :

Percussive, distorted toms :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp4a_cil0Mk/

Complex Oscillator :
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqF2iHDBir3/

Still feel like it has so many sounds hidden inside and I'm often surprised by some stuff coming out of it. Using the patch bay more as well. Might be related. In any case it's a wonderful instrument that is at the core of most of my tracks.
vromr
Excellent camera positioning.
It really sucks the viewer into your sound.
Alphaman
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
A couple snippets with the DFAM playing a big part :

Percussive, distorted toms :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp4a_cil0Mk/

Complex Oscillator :
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqF2iHDBir3/

Still feel like it has so many sounds hidden inside and I'm often surprised by some stuff coming out of it. Using the patch bay more as well. Might be related. In any case it's a wonderful instrument that is at the core of most of my tracks.


yeeeaaah
locust_locust
Loving mine.
Pairing with the AJH modules is excellent & techno armageddon.

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Tumulishroomaroom
vromr & Alphaman thank you both ! I like coming up with these 1min jams, the real challenge is turning them into full tracks...

locust_locust beautiful system ! Must sound massive.
mhtones
On sale for $100 off at Sweetwater. w00t
paranormind
I also love mine. I didn't feel the need to change the little knobs, but now that you raised the point, next time I go to Akihabara I'll look at other options!

I find the DFAM inspiring; it's fairly easy to come up with interesting sounds, unusual and exploitable. Interestingly, I like the limited EG (slow/fast attack switch) in the sense that you *have to* deal with that. This helped me get more focused on the interesting textures rather than micro-tuning my attack.
Alphaman
what about this?

paranormind
Alphaman wrote:
what about this?


That's exactly my semi-modular setup. What do you want to know exactly?
Alphaman
i just want to know whether you like my new toys wink
thisoldmike
Alphaman wrote:
what about this?



I also love my DFAM, and seeing this makes me regret selling my M32. I bet they make a great pair.
Alphaman
yeah definitively. they are one unity. i got the DFAM a week ago or so. the M32 i got 2 days ago and the cool Tier Rack today. now it's complete. i love them too...so much fun and possibilities and a eye catcher too. i don't think, i will regret for selling a Monomachine, a Jomox MBase 11 and a Dreadbox hades for it. both machines can do what a MBase and a Hades can do, so it's not a step backwards to me! me personally, i prefer the DFAM as well wink
Alphaman
is there a efficient way to sync the LFO of the Mother32? one way could be either by one of the Clock or Step functions over the assign output,
but i badly want to save this output to sync the DFAM to the Mother32, instead by the gate output of my drum machine. any tips?

edit

obviously you can't sync that little rascal. but syncing parameters by a external LFO from a DAW over the assignable output via MIDI CC is possible at least.
soundslikejoe
Picked up the DFAM on discount this week. Might be the most wiggle-able thing I've ever purchased. Right out of the box, turn the knobs and it's great. Very immediate.

Now... if only Moog gets onboard with this unique platform and releases the Subharmonicon! I don't plan to buy a Mother32, right now, but if the SubH comes out... I think I'll have to get the set.
applause
spukhaft
Holy. F-ing. Shit.

Just picked one up. Considering leaving family and living in filthy van down by the river alone with DFAM.

Percussion. Check. Basslines. Check. Liquidly phat ass acidy bits. Check. LOVE this beast.
JakoGreyshire
For the new DFAM owners.... This thread has a ton of cool tips in it. If you haven't read through the thread, I would recommend doing so. Also if you find any cool patchings please share with us...
zzelig
Hello,

This thread prompted my first post here. This is a recording I did last night messing with the DFAM + 0 Coast + DRM1:

https://soundcloud.com/user-683992290/corpsefeedrz
Tumulishroomaroom
Has anybody tried wavefolding the DFAM ? I was thinking I love the sound of it set up as a complex Oscillator (FM sounds fantastic) but a lil bit a wave folding might take it to the next level. Even when doing drums ! Thing is, my other oscillators already have folding built in so I don't have a dedicated wave folder. Might be worth it for the DFAM but also CV, and various drums... Anybody have nice examples with the DFAM ?
Unifono0815
I sold all my modules recently but bought the DFAM + Mother combo. I was thinking about these two for some time, they just sound and look great.
Also kept the 0-coast, I really dig the semimodular structure.
DFAM is instant fun for sure. Don't think I will get tired of it soon.

Will read through this thread for patch tips.
Here are two first demos I made with the pair.



DFAM + Mother32 Demo
evilspock
Nice track Unifono thumbs up

Really enjoying the DFAM so far. I wanted something unique and different from the usual monophonic synth module, and DFAM fits the bill.

What I don’t care for so much is the Moog skiff format. I’d really like to find something thin to make it more backpack/portable friendly, just like the 0-coast, or even make my own if I have to. Has anyone else gone down this rabbit hole for it yet?
Tumulishroomaroom
No but if you take it out it's very thin/"skiff friendly". Mine is in my modular case. Find or build any thin case that you'd like and you're good to go.
Alphaman
i recorded something too with the Mother32 and Dfam.
the Mother makes the arp sound and the DFAM the sub and chirping noises.
both machines are patched together. i used the EHX Memory Man for delay and the Lexicon MX200 for reverb!

nothing special but enjoy anyway!

listen: https://instaud.io/30W3
soundslikejoe
Alphaman wrote:
i recorded something too with the Mother32 and Dfam.
the Mother makes the arp sound and the DFAM the sub and chirping noises.
both machines are patched together. i used the EHX Memory Man for delay and the Lexicon MX200 for reverb!

nothing special but enjoy anyway!

listen: https://instaud.io/30UD


Man... those first few notes had me on edge thinking "Knight Rider Theme Song!" Still great...

hihi
Alphaman
thx. i feel more like MacGyver when i explore these two mofos^^
Unifono0815
evilspock wrote:
Nice track Unifono thumbs up



Thanks!
Tumulishroomaroom
I realised most of the time I use the DFAM as a sort of complex oscillator/cool sequencer combo to create FM/Bells/Acid tones but yesterday I needed toms and remembered how great it is at it. I love the sound of the noise in this thing, very punchy and it makes for a great tribal feeling when you combine it with other percussion. So here’s the result : DFAM, Lyra 8 and Modular burned in the Analog Heat :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/1989-damage[/s]
Technologear?
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
So here’s the result : DFAM, Lyra 8 and Modular burned in the Analog Heat :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/1989-damage[/s]


I really liked that track. Thanks for sharing
Tumulishroomaroom
Thank you very much, glad you liked it.
vromr
Is there a way to trigger each step setting with keyboard input?
drowld
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I realised most of the time I use the DFAM as a sort of complex oscillator/cool sequencer combo to create FM/Bells/Acid tones but yesterday I needed toms and remembered how great it is at it. I love the sound of the noise in this thing, very punchy and it makes for a great tribal feeling when you combine it with other percussion. So here’s the result : DFAM, Lyra 8 and Modular burned in the Analog Heat :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/1989-damage[/s]

Love it. Any more demos of the dfam in this context ?
Tumulishroomaroom
drowld wrote:
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I realised most of the time I use the DFAM as a sort of complex oscillator/cool sequencer combo to create FM/Bells/Acid tones but yesterday I needed toms and remembered how great it is at it. I love the sound of the noise in this thing, very punchy and it makes for a great tribal feeling when you combine it with other percussion. So here’s the result : DFAM, Lyra 8 and Modular burned in the Analog Heat :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/1989-damage[/s]

Love it. Any more demos of the dfam in this context ?

Thank you ! I have this one too, did it six months ago but it's basically the same ingredients :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/scorched-dub[/s]
I should re-touch the recording though, really sounds muffled.
lorez
i've been using the oscillators as a drone, the sequencer pitch and velocity outputs to control other modules and the eg outputs to also control filters and clouds on a couple of things recently.

one sample here - flies through the looking glass
Tumulishroomaroom
I feel like I've read the answer on a YT comment or somewhere (here ? I can't find it anymore); but is it possible to combine the clocking of the DFAM with external clock via the ADV/CLOCK input and have sequences shorter than eight steps ?

I didn't care at all when I got it, but now I'm sort of missing a reset input too...
JakoGreyshire
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I feel like I've read the answer on a YT comment or somewhere (here ? I can't find it anymore); but is it possible to combine the clocking of the DFAM with external clock via the ADV/CLOCK input and have sequences shorter than eight steps ?

I didn't care at all when I got it, but now I'm sort of missing a reset input too...


Yes, I've made videos on both of those topics... Check out my youtube page(I have DFAM and Subharmonicon videos there too..)...

Er, so you don't have to search... well, here you go..

Well, this one is just the DFAM taking an external trigger at first then engaging the internal sequencer. Maybe not what you are asking about with the clocks.... Can you elaborate? Actually I think the ADV/Clock input jack disables the internal clock right?









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This next one has the patch notes on the youtube page to tell you how to get less than 8 steps...
Moog music also did a video showing this trick... Funny story though...
Anyone can think of how to do this trick but about a year ago I discovered this patching trick by thinking about it and the fact that people on this forum were lamenting the non-existent reset feature.

I was at work and I thought, "hey I bet there is a way to do something cool here." So, I went home and it hit me like a ton of bricks... OH SHIT! I can do this with the Pitch on the sequencer!! I made this video below. Months later I was at Moogfest and I told Steve Dunnington about this trick. He was very pleased with the patch.. A few months later Moog music made a video showing the patch...

Like I said, if one thinks about it for a while one will discover how to do it.. It's inherent in the patch points... I find it fun to have a problem or a need and try to solve it with patch cables...




Actually re-reading your post, It looks like you'll have to discover your patch and share with us what you come up with... In my video I was using the DFAM as the master clock and using the trigger out to the gate in on the Mother-32....


I guess my post here is just some ingredients for a recipe..

Let us know what you come up with...
Tumulishroomaroom
Hum, thank you, I was pretty sure it was you who first came up with a solution. Yet, as you realised, I aim to clock the DFAM externally but still have sequences shorter than 8 steps. I have yet to find the solution, if it exists.
soundslikejoe
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
Hum, thank you, I was pretty sure it was you who first came up with a solution. Yet, as you realised, I aim to clock the DFAM externally but still have sequences shorter than 8 steps. I have yet to find the solution, if it exists.


Not a DFAM expert... but I'm pretty sure the only way to get less/more than 8 steps is to use an external pitch cv, trigger, and velocity inputs to sequence. That or use the pitch cv input to sequence the tempo... but that's more of a hack. Fun... but not the same...
Tumulishroomaroom
soundslikejoe wrote:
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
Hum, thank you, I was pretty sure it was you who first came up with a solution. Yet, as you realised, I aim to clock the DFAM externally but still have sequences shorter than 8 steps. I have yet to find the solution, if it exists.


Not a DFAM expert... but I'm pretty sure the only way to get less/more than 8 steps is to use an external pitch cv, trigger, and velocity inputs to sequence. That or use the pitch cv input to sequence the tempo... but that's more of a hack. Fun... but not the same...

That's what I though too, but to me most of the fun of the DFAM is in the sequencer. I'll deal with it ! The pitch hack is indeed fun, but not very useful in the context of a broader patch.
luketeaford
My experience with the DFAM-- patching to Trigger IN was the best way to extend it beyond 8 steps. You can do it with a clock derivative or just a free running LFO tuned by ear.

That allows the internal sequencer to fire only when Trigger Input is high, so it trips over itself and can extend the sequence. I was only borrowing it from a friend or I would make a video of it. It's on my Instagram if you want to look in the mid to late June 2018 era for demos of that patch.
drowld
luketeaford wrote:
My experience with the DFAM-- patching to Trigger IN was the best way to extend it beyond 8 steps. You can do it with a clock derivative or just a free running LFO tuned by ear.

That allows the internal sequencer to fire only when Trigger Input is high, so it trips over itself and can extend the sequence. I was only borrowing it from a friend or I would make a video of it. It's on my Instagram if you want to look in the mid to late June 2018 era for demos of that patch.


Dude there's way too much video on your instagram haha
i couldnt even find it and spent 1mn scrolling down Dead Banana
budinis
really love my dfam!
now I want to build a "utility"-case around the dfam in a moog 60 case.

I re-arange my setup at the moment and have still some modules out of use...
pamela and Basimilus Iteritas Alter would be new...

any recommentations or hints?

budinis
no one? hmmm.....
JakoGreyshire
Attenuverters.... I would recommend Mutable Instruments Shades..

Pamela will do looping random stuff and a lot of things... I think I have some older videos of just the DFAM and Pamela banging it out... However, Pam's doesn't do bipolar CV.

With shades you can set up the knobs so that when you turn the top knob all the other outputs change. I'm a big fan of moving one thing and a bunch of things change.. I'm also a big fan of feedback loops, so attenuverters can be used for that too...

With all that said, It's hard to ignore Maths from Make Noise... Two attenuverters, and two channels of Attach Decay EGs... There's so much to do with Maths...

If this rack is the space you have to work with, I would suggest getting rid of the Pittsburg mixer for a smaller mixer. I have a 3HP Malekko Mix 4 and a 3HP Erica synths RND random module that takes up 6HP total and that is a lot of utility goodness in 6HP!! ( I also have a video I made explaining the outputs on Erica's RND module)

I don't have one or owned one but I'm sure a voltage block would do for an excellent companion module...

You might want to fully exploit Pamela's New Workout by self patching it... Take on of its outputs carefully plan to modulate itself in one of the inputs... There is so much there by doing that.... Pamela will do a lot.. I still have to dig deeper with it.

So to recap, I recommend:

Erica Synths RND
Mutable instruments Shades
Malekko Mix 4
Make Noise Maths

There are lots of choices and these ones I know personally. Keep patching and thinking about what you want to make happen... Have fun with your modular journey.... It never stops evolving just like some good CV.
JakoGreyshire
Oh yeah, I would also get rid of the Tiptop one and get a Disting MK4. In the Disting thread someone asked about the TT One and the Disting comparison, and the result was that the Disting can do everything the One can and a TON of other things too... I
I've got a couple of Distings... They are very useful and are getting updates all the time... I should get a few more actually...
gringostar
Quantizer, wavefolder, mixer/polarizer/utilities, and modulation.

Quantizer to make the sequencer musical when you want it. Disting is good here.

Wavefolder as you have two great sounding analog oscillators and smashing them to bits is great. You have a lot to pick from.

Mixer/polarizer/utilities for more “fun” options. Again a lot of options, but I would look at the SSF tool-box and MIAx3.

Modulation as your options are a bit limited with just the DFAM. Lots of options but maths, rampage, stages, and PNW should be up there.
budinis
thanks a lot for your recommentations!
I still have maths in my other rack and won't use so much place in such a small case...
Now I have rearranged the dfam utility box:

JakoGreyshire
budinis wrote:
thanks a lot for your recommentations!
I still have maths in my other rack and won't use so much place in such a small case...
Now I have rearranged the dfam utility box:



Nice.... So, it looks like you are doing some research... Good, Good...

Anyway, I was curious about how you are planning on using the Syncrodyne with the DFAM?

Ah! Well... In fact, what are your plans for all of this utility rack now that you've got it setup like this? Just curious... Looks like fun..

Happy Nerding MIA looks like a good option...

So, there is a dual sample and hold in the Disting... FYI..

Also the 2HP TRM is a passive Attenuation and as such it might be a waste of 2HP in the rack.... If it were my rack I would put the 2HP MIX in there instead and get some passive attenuation out of the rack...

Like these, but they have been out of stock for a while...
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ryo-airtenuator/

The reason being is that having a mixer for CV and another mixer for audio is good for wiggling fun..

You've probably got other mixers in your rack though, eh?

Passive attenuation is good as well though... hmmmm....
seriously, i just don't get it seriously, i just don't get it
Nutritional Zero
I recommend adding an LPG to any small modular setup destined to compliment the DFAM. The DFAM’s filter and VCA are competant and extremely good-sounding to my ears, but you might want something a little different at times.

Something like Optomix, LxD or Doepfer a-101-2 will give you some options for a natural and plucky sound.

I also echo the shouts for Pam’s and Maths. I’m unlikely to buy another Pam’s but I have four complex function generators so I’ll probably consecrate Maths to the DFAM rig.

I’m interested in seeing how different colours of noise sound through DFAM, replace the white noise/ext in normalization. I might try a Quantum Rainbow 2 to work with some darker tones.

Quantizer, bitcrusher, these are also things I have considered.[/url]
thisoldmike
I love my DFAM, I usually end up using it clocked by and in conjunction with a Digitakt to handle percussive duties. It's also a lot of fun when sequenced with a Beatstep Pro (main beat sequencing) and an SQ-1 (to sequence changes in VCA/VCF/VCO decays, velocity, FM amount, whatever). I usually have it running into a Disting mk4 running either a delay or a waveshaper. I should probably get another M32 to go with it, kinda regretting selling my first M32.
subLimb
thisoldmike wrote:
I love my DFAM, I usually end up using it clocked by and in conjunction with a Digitakt to handle percussive duties. It's also a lot of fun when sequenced with a Beatstep Pro (main beat sequencing) and an SQ-1 (to sequence changes in VCA/VCF/VCO decays, velocity, FM amount, whatever). I usually have it running into a Disting mk4 running either a delay or a waveshaper. I should probably get another M32 to go with it, kinda regretting selling my first M32.


Curious how exactly did you get your DFAM clocked by the Digitakt? Or did you put the Digitakt through another device, and then into your DFAM?
thisoldmike
Ah, yeah. Forgot to mention that bit - the Digitakt MIDI out drives a CV.OCD for MIDI to CV. Works like a champ.
subLimb
thisoldmike wrote:
Ah, yeah. Forgot to mention that bit - the Digitakt MIDI out drives a CV.OCD for MIDI to CV. Works like a champ.


Oooh, would you mind sharing your CV OCD settings? I have a bud thats trying to do this exact thing, only with the Octatrack -> CV.OCD -> DFAM and not having any luck.
thisoldmike
subLimb wrote:
thisoldmike wrote:
Ah, yeah. Forgot to mention that bit - the Digitakt MIDI out drives a CV.OCD for MIDI to CV. Works like a champ.


Oooh, would you mind sharing your CV OCD settings? I have a bud thats trying to do this exact thing, only with the Octatrack -> CV.OCD -> DFAM and not having any luck.


I just looked and can't find the config sysex file anywhere. A quick spin through the manual doesn't give me any idea if it's even possible to pull the current config off of it, and it's been months since I set it up, so... seriously, i just don't get it
budinis
I also have octatrack --> cv.ocd --> modular:

Here is the configuration for midi-channels 13-16:



don't know how to upload the sysex here?! d'oh!
but send me pm and a mail-adress and I send you the file.
subLimb
Thanks very much for the responses! I don't need the sysex file since you've uploaded the full settings image, so no problem there.

Thanks again!
Alphaman
a few Ericas in a moog skiff for my Moogs. looks pretty awesome too. the DFAM is not on the photo. i need a 3 tier stand first^^

modul8tr
Hello all,

I’m trying to get my DFAM (which I’m VERY new to) setup with Reaktor Blocks where I plan to use the Kodiak Shift/Curve sequencers with it. I’m using the Expert Sleepers ES-8 and ES-3 to send CV/Gates etc.

Getting the sequencer to control DFAM via Expert Sleepers is straightforward. I have pitch patched to OSC 1-2 CV. Clock to ADV/CLOCK and velocity to velocity (and I’m open to any other tips here).

The biggest issue is just getting both oscillators tuned with Reaktor Blocks pitch cv tool . Somehow I got OSC 1 to tune once and it played in tune with some VST synth layers beautifully. Tuning OSC 2 so far is impossible. I hit the run button on pitch cv tool and NOTHING happens even though everything is set exactly as it was to tune OSC 1. Any insights/tips?
Xtheunknown
Are the Moog DFAM envelopes one-shot (i.e. they must complete their full cycle before they can be retriggered), or are they retriggered before completion of their cycle whenever a new trigger is received (like a traditional ADSR)?

As always, your help is GREATLY appreciated!
HrBak
modul8tr wrote:
Hello all,

I’m trying to get my DFAM (which I’m VERY new to) setup with Reaktor Blocks where I plan to use the Kodiak Shift/Curve sequencers with it. I’m using the Expert Sleepers ES-8 and ES-3 to send CV/Gates etc.

Getting the sequencer to control DFAM via Expert Sleepers is straightforward. I have pitch patched to OSC 1-2 CV. Clock to ADV/CLOCK and velocity to velocity (and I’m open to any other tips here).

The biggest issue is just getting both oscillators tuned with Reaktor Blocks pitch cv tool . Somehow I got OSC 1 to tune once and it played in tune with some VST synth layers beautifully. Tuning OSC 2 so far is impossible. I hit the run button on pitch cv tool and NOTHING happens even though everything is set exactly as it was to tune OSC 1. Any insights/tips?


I don't have a DFAM, but when I started to use ES-3 and NI Blocks and tried to tune my OSC I had the same problem you are describing. Turned out that I had to use a CV Block for every OSC and not just route the same Cv Block to more than one OSC.
rasabel
Hi all DFAM's folks,first time posting ,love for all of you.


Recorded foggy and meandering musique concrète compositions with DFAM, shakers,and noises about "work"

Brain-pleasing outcomes in video for one of five tracks album below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6YrCYwGUBE

Peace.
purpur
Hey guys,

how do you squeeze maximum voices from your DFAM simultaneously without help form other modules (or maybe connecting only to m32)? I happen to patch TRIGGER out to VCA CV in order to get click on each steps filling the role of high hat or clave. It's post filter section, so the tone stays constant whatever I change in signal path. I think once I've got similar clicks with trigger out going pre-filter, so playing with resonance was giving them a bit more of character, but I can't quite remember how I patched it.
The Junglechrist
Hey there everyone ! We just uploaded this new video from our Patch From Scratch session, using the DFAM and the MF-103 Phaser to make some filthy beats :

JakoGreyshire
For those DFAM owners who also have a Mother-32, there is a patch book available for download at moog's website:

https://back.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/2019-02/Electronicus%20 Patch%20Book_0.pdf
weird update
Does anyone has excemples of people using the dfam to make ambient music or drones?

https://soundcloud.com/weirdupdate
Nibson
I'd had my eye on a DFAM for about a year and have scoured through this thread a number of times. There's a ton of other modules I need (want) but I reached a personal goal so treated myself to a DFAM. It arrived yesterday and damn does it sound good.

I only played on it for an hour or so without patching into my case and it's a hell of a lot of fun. I make pretty heavy techno which it seems ideally suited for.

The sound is pretty distinctive so I wonder if the novelty will wear off of the sort of sound it makes..... But then I turn it on, smile and think there's not much chance of that smile
Tumulishroomaroom
My DFAM really takes a while to warm up and be where it was before I turned it off. If I play it right away there's very little bass for example, and the VCO EG amount are much more pronounced to my ears. Once it has warmed up it's very stable and identical to where I left it -provided I didn't turn the knobs.

I took the habit of turning the modular on first thing in the morning. I quite like it actually.
Alphaman
i have created two blank sheets for the dfam and the m32, just for the case i want to print it out to a future date. you can use it too if you like^^

DFAM-Mother32


Mother32-DFAM
magnetsandlasers
Nibson wrote:
The sound is pretty distinctive so I wonder if the novelty will wear off of the sort of sound it makes.....


I thought this at first too, but there is so much potential that I have yet to tire of it! Sometimes I like to be all experimental with it but you're right, it is well suited to hard-driving techno-type stuff

Tumulishroomaroom
I just realized that there's a VCA input, and that you can push the volume with CV past the knob max value; which is quite cool and useful. For some reason I tend to overlook the patchbay a little.
Marckian
Hey everyone, first time posting, I just recently bought my first ever modular gear the SV-1 lifeforms and the idea is to use it as the core of my modular setup (I hope it was a smart idea) now I am wandering about buying a DFAM.

Would those 2 be a good combo?

Buying separate modules instead of the DFAM would give me more possibilities?


Any ideas?
luketeaford
Marckian wrote:
Hey everyone, first time posting, I just recently bought my first ever modular gear the SV-1 lifeforms and the idea is to use it as the core of my modular setup (I hope it was a smart idea) now I am wandering about buying a DFAM.

Would those 2 be a good combo?

Buying separate modules instead of the DFAM would give me more possibilities?


Any ideas?


Welcome to the forum!

Yes, I think that would be a good combo. The SV1 can give you some cool utilities and MIDI for the DFAM which is nice if you want to play it as a conventional synth(ish). Namely MIDI, S&H and another LFO will be great with the DFAM.

The DFAM has some cool things to give back to the SV1-- gorgeous moog filters, versatile fun and wild sequencer, and they both are self-contained.

You could probably expand into individual modules, but if you factor in the cost of a case and what you're going to get for your cash, I think these 2 semi modulars are versatile and will give you a lot to play with for a long time.
anselmi
Marckian wrote:
Hey everyone, first time posting,


welcome!

Quote:
I just recently bought my first ever modular gear the SV-1 lifeforms and the idea is to use it as the core of my modular setup (I hope it was a smart idea) now I am wandering about buying a DFAM

Would those 2 be a good combo?


yes, they´re very different and complementary...and if your music has a rhythm component the DFAM is a must, specially for techno-ish stuff

Quote:
Buying separate modules instead of the DFAM would give me more possibilities?


yes, you can recreate the functionality and features of the DFAM with modules and have more options BUT (and this is a BIG "BUT") is really hard (near impossible) to collect the modules that gives you the sound and HUGE sweet spot of the DFAM...I tried with my 12U system plus some other semi-modulars and never got the immediacy and wide range of great results as with the DFAM...it´s a true masterpiece

some people could dislike how the DFAM sounds but if you do, then go for it...it´s also modular enough to use the inside parts individually with the SV-1
Needles
Can any fine folks point me towards a link for a replacement psu for dfam, please?

I got stumped via moog site.... But it doesn't take much cool
drowld
Does anyone knows what kind of knobs i can get on aliexpress for the dfam ?
What are the size of the internal knobs ?
behndy
i have a DFAM hitting this weekend, super excited enough though the reason it took me this long go grab one is the lack of a reset input. that's..... very odd to me on anythinnnnng with a sequencer.

is there a workaround? besides manually reseting before starting up a patch?
Tumulishroomaroom
There's the Moog workaround of using the pitch to control the sequencer speed which works when you use the DFAM by itself and don't want to use pitch. I haven't find a viable workaround when you clock the DFAM, which is pretty much always. It's a bit unfortunate especially since sequencer is so cool, but it doesn't hinder my unconditional love for this fabulous instrument.

And yes when you stop your master clock you have to advance the steps of the DFAM to the last one if you want to have the same sequence every time. Although sometimes it can lead to cool changes/results not to do it.
Alphaman
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
There's the Moog workaround of using the pitch to control the sequencer speed which works when you use the DFAM by itself and don't want to use pitch. I haven't find a viable workaround when you clock the DFAM, which is pretty much always. It's a bit unfortunate especially since sequencer is so cool, but it doesn't hinder my unconditional love for this fabulous instrument.

And yes when you stop your master clock you have to advance the steps of the DFAM to the last one if you want to have the same sequence every time. Although sometimes it can lead to cool changes/results not to do it.


yeah and this only works if there's no patch cable inserted in the ADV input. in other words, you can't sync the DFAM anymore. that's why it's more or less a totally useless feature imo
behndy
yah. the lack of a reset input is WEIRD. with how much people like the sequencer it's an odd choice.
OIP
it's definitely weird, i want to open it up and look as if it's just a counter IC it could be possible to mod a reset input?

i don't really mind in any event, the internal sequencer is pretty goofy and certainly fun enough.

the whole machine is awesome, had it for a couple of weeks now and it gets completely filthy while also being a very sweet little synth in its own right when interfaced with other gear. strange combination of limited, but also a real lot of bang for buck in the package.

AM with the vco out into the vca is my favourite thing, just dirty as hell
drowld
Damn would be nice to have a reset input. It's like smd inside the dfam ?
evilspock
OIP wrote:
AM with the vco out into the vca is my favourite thing, just dirty as hell


OIP, thank you for this tip! thumbs up thumbs up I have enjoyed experimenting with my DFAM in this config today.

Does anyone else have any cool little tidbits that don't require reading 25 pages of thread? hihi

It really is a lovely little self-contained "I can play with others but I'm awesome on my own by myself, thank you very much" instrument with a f***-ton of character. It's funny to see on page 1 of the thread that Moog originally had no intention of releasing it as a product. Very happy they changed their minds, there's just nothing else like it out there and it sounds so great and so fun to play. Bonafide hit by Moog, hope they learned a lesson there on taking a chance on a non-traditional synthesizer design.
Alphaman
evilspock wrote:
OIP wrote:
AM with the vco out into the vca is my favourite thing, just dirty as hell


OIP, thank you for this tip! thumbs up thumbs up I have enjoyed experimenting with my DFAM in this config today.

Does anyone else have any cool little tidbits that don't require reading 25 pages of thread? hihi

It really is a lovely little self-contained "I can play with others but I'm awesome on my own by myself, thank you very much" instrument with a f***-ton of character. It's funny to see on page 1 of the thread that Moog originally had no intention of releasing it as a product. Very happy they changed their minds, there's just nothing else like it out there and it sounds so great and so fun to play. Bonafide hit by Moog, hope they learned a lesson there on taking a chance on a non-traditional synthesizer design.


don't do this. i think you would fry the DFAM
Tumulishroomaroom
Tried my best to get as hard hitting a kick as possible with the DFAM :

https://www.instagram.com/p/By7u9YwBBcy/
OIP
Alphaman wrote:
evilspock wrote:
OIP wrote:
AM with the vco out into the vca is my favourite thing, just dirty as hell


OIP, thank you for this tip! thumbs up thumbs up I have enjoyed experimenting with my DFAM in this config today.

Does anyone else have any cool little tidbits that don't require reading 25 pages of thread? hihi

It really is a lovely little self-contained "I can play with others but I'm awesome on my own by myself, thank you very much" instrument with a f***-ton of character. It's funny to see on page 1 of the thread that Moog originally had no intention of releasing it as a product. Very happy they changed their minds, there's just nothing else like it out there and it sounds so great and so fun to play. Bonafide hit by Moog, hope they learned a lesson there on taking a chance on a non-traditional synthesizer design.


don't do this. i think you would fry the DFAM


but.. how? patching audio to the VCA CV in? you might fry your ears

agree with the thoughts on how much of a hit it is, best thing i've picked up in a long while. i have been mainly using it for classic BD on 1, snare on 5 hip hop style drums and it's led to some furious nodding.

i opened it up and it's comically shallow, going to make a skiff for it to take it places. i wasn't able to check the front of the PCB to see what IC they used in the sequencer counter for the reset situation as that's a chunk of work to take all the pots off. not sure if anyone has done that yet sorry (this is a loooong thread).


another minor thing, i used these knobs to slide on to the existing plastic shafts:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/20Pcs-6mm-Insert-Shaft-10x14mm-Plastic-Pot entiometer-Rotary-Knob-Pots-Black-/333123851959

had to draw white lines with paint pen but it was easy. they are nice, smaller than the 'classic' look knobs.
kinkujin
drowld wrote:
Does anyone knows what kind of knobs i can get on aliexpress for the dfam ?
What are the size of the internal knobs ?


I too would like this answer please. Thank you.
Alphaman
kinkujin wrote:
drowld wrote:
Does anyone knows what kind of knobs i can get on aliexpress for the dfam ?
What are the size of the internal knobs ?


I too would like this answer please. Thank you.


do you mean bigger knobs for the sequencer?
any knob with a hole of 6mm in diameter in it should fit.
i recommend knobs with a screw at the side. that's more variable and not too much tight! this Aliexpress partly gives not much infos about the specs, that's really unhappy. you should send a email and ask first before you buy.
JakoGreyshire
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/moog-dfam-knob-upgrade/
bmot
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of weeks but I've just had time to dig into it these past few days. I love it very much, so instantly playable, so fun, so full of sweet spots. I've only jut used it for percussion so far, but the "presets" show how much more there is to this beast.

Anyway here's a first real track with it where it comes real early and stay on mostly all the time, doing the subdued toms in the background :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/scorched-dub[/s]


I’m just researching DFAM right now, reading and listening. Igot tp play one a few weeks ago, instant love. I will be buying one in the next days or weeks. Anyway, 1 year after that post I quoted, I just wanted to say this track is epic, the hard edged hypnotic techno sound you made is comparable to the great Orphx. I would love to hear that live.
nativestate
This is my goto Drum machine. I also just ordered the Matriarch to compliment. Just do.
AW198
weird update wrote:
Does anyone has excemples of people using the dfam to make ambient music or drones?

https://soundcloud.com/weirdupdate


024//Night Trains

Made this a while back w00t
ashh888
bought one

im shit but this thing refuses to make a shit sound

beautiful beasty

are all moogs this good?
Fog Door
Anyone in a position to comment on "all moogs"? wink
luketeaford
Fog Door wrote:
Anyone in a position to comment on "all moogs"? wink


Not me, but I can say I prefer the DFAM to several Moogs smile
Tumulishroomaroom
bmot wrote:
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
I've had mine for a couple of weeks but I've just had time to dig into it these past few days. I love it very much, so instantly playable, so fun, so full of sweet spots. I've only jut used it for percussion so far, but the "presets" show how much more there is to this beast.

Anyway here's a first real track with it where it comes real early and stay on mostly all the time, doing the subdued toms in the background :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/scorched-dub[/s]


I’m just researching DFAM right now, reading and listening. Igot tp play one a few weeks ago, instant love. I will be buying one in the next days or weeks. Anyway, 1 year after that post I quoted, I just wanted to say this track is epic, the hard edged hypnotic techno sound you made is comparable to the great Orphx. I would love to hear that live.

Thank you, much appreciated ! I should have stuff out soonish.
booger
Anyone running two DFAMs?
bmot
Holy f*ck!! I've just taken delivery of the DFAM and this thing is incredible. I've mainly been bypassing the sequencer and patching it to the SE Engine's CV/gate outputs, which creates some really interesting subtle variations so easily. I'm a lazy beatmaker, and this combo makes it child's play to get very interesting patterns very quickly. For me that's the big thing here, because usually it's a lot more work to programme modulations and make beats less static. As a big fan of industrial techno/power electronics this is helping me make similar sounds to those I see in concert.

I had sold a few things to prepare for buying the Pulsar 23, and i've been on the waiting list since the first week or so, but the DFAM has stolen my heart and makes such a racket that I don't see the need for the Pulsar so much now. I've also got a TR-9090 for basic TR sounds, I feel like the rhythm section is now covered.

The DFAM has also made me appreciate a HPF more than usual - i almost always go for the LPF but the HPF is so juicy. I'll post some DFAM recordings when I get round to it.
Tumulishroomaroom
Improvising the very early stage of a live set :



This needs a lot more work but you get the idea... DFAM is on kick duties, like most of the time since I discovered how good it does these very subby, deep techno kicks that I love.
guitargyro
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
Improvising the very early stage of a live set :



This needs a lot more work but you get the idea... DFAM is on kick duties, like most of the time since I discovered how good it does these very subby, deep techno kicks that I love.


This sounds great!!!
Tumulishroomaroom
Thank you ! Actually just recorded a new one yesterday evening; just sound this time :

[s]https://soundcloud.com/tumulishoomaroom/improvisation-test-2[/s]

DFAM still doing the kick throughout.

Other notable modules being Verbos CO, Multi Delay and Bark Filter; Loquelic Iteritas Percido and Morphagene.
Richjk7
booger wrote:
Anyone running two DFAMs?


Right here, its twice the fun!

Seriously though with two, its enough to make complete techno tracks. For me it worked well with one handling bass drum and hats/snare sounds and the other dfam doing toms and pitched sequences.
Alphaman
too bad that the DFAM doesn't have two trigger inputs per VCO, then it would be possible to me to play my DFAM and my Mother32 polyphonic (3 VCO's per voice) by the help of a Mutable Instruments Yarns MIDI interface that i get in a couple of days.
bmot
Alphaman wrote:
too bad that the DFAM doesn't have two trigger inputs per VCO, then it would be possible to me to play my DFAM and my Mother32 polyphonic (3 VCO's per voice) by the help of a Mutable Instruments Yarns MIDI interface that i get in a couple of days.


I’m using these with my DFAM, would this work for what you want to do?

Stacking cables
Alphaman
bmot wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
too bad that the DFAM doesn't have two trigger inputs per VCO, then it would be possible to me to play my DFAM and my Mother32 polyphonic (3 VCO's per voice) by the help of a Mutable Instruments Yarns MIDI interface that i get in a couple of days.


I’m using these with my DFAM, would this work for what you want to do?

Stacking cables


even with stacking cables you can't trigger each VCO independently. how should that work? i was talking about playing the Mother32's VCO and both DFAM VCO's threefold polyphonic. in other words, you need 3x Trig Inputs and of course a specific Module to do so, such as the Mutable Instruments Yarns, which offers 4 Gate/Trig & 4 CV Outputs (4x Polyphonic).
seta666
I like sequencing it with the sq1 and using the internal sequencer for cv modulation. It is my bestsounding synth but truth said if I had to buy it again I would go for a Model D plus SQ1, way more powerful combo I would say.
luketeaford
Alphaman wrote:
too bad that the DFAM doesn't have two trigger inputs per VCO, then it would be possible to me to play my DFAM and my Mother32 polyphonic (3 VCO's per voice) by the help of a Mutable Instruments Yarns MIDI interface that i get in a couple of days.


The trigger input is not related to the VCOs except that it opens the pitch, filter, and amp envelopes. You could make that setup polyphonic with DFAM and M32 by routing one of DFAM's oscillators to the M32 mixer patched as a VCA. You'd still be one envelope short, so you'd have to do with a gate envelope or let it drone or something. Perhaps you can generate an envelope with MIDI and bring that in? thumbs up
fattyparts
is there a quick and easy way to reset DFAM's sequencer to step one?
Tumulishroomaroom
fattyparts wrote:
is there a quick and easy way to reset DFAM's sequencer to step one?

Not if you clock it. Otherwise there's the moog method :

fattyparts
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
fattyparts wrote:
is there a quick and easy way to reset DFAM's sequencer to step one?

Not if you clock it. Otherwise there's the moog method :



yep, i'm driving it with the rest of my rig. although not being able to reset it leads to interesting results, it's a faff getting it to trigger from the 1st desired step
Alphaman
luketeaford wrote:
Alphaman wrote:
too bad that the DFAM doesn't have two trigger inputs per VCO, then it would be possible to me to play my DFAM and my Mother32 polyphonic (3 VCO's per voice) by the help of a Mutable Instruments Yarns MIDI interface that i get in a couple of days.


The trigger input is not related to the VCOs except that it opens the pitch, filter, and amp envelopes. You could make that setup polyphonic with DFAM and M32 by routing one of DFAM's oscillators to the M32 mixer patched as a VCA. You'd still be one envelope short, so you'd have to do with a gate envelope or let it drone or something. Perhaps you can generate an envelope with MIDI and bring that in? thumbs up


i understand. i tried that today, but with little to no success. i even had a hard time to play the internal OSC's quadraphonic, because every OSC has its own Audio output. i sold my Erica Synths Stereo Mixer a few weeks ago and i don't have the possibillity anymore to mix 2 audio sources. maybe 3 sources maximum with a trick^^
Zerius
Someone knows where I could purchase EU adapters for my DFAM PSU ? Only got UK and US adapter switches at the moment
tdallas
Hi!

sorry if this question was asked before, but does anyone know what type of small potentiometer Moog is using for the DFAM, especially the "VCO 1 LEVEL" control? Even though decent usage mine got really wonky/scratchy and had lost a lot of his "movement resistance". Maybe it is possible to replace those poti DIY? hmmm.....

The location itself does not look like rocket science and sending it in from germany might be a little overkill.

Thanks a lot in advance!
JakoGreyshire
tdallas wrote:
Hi!

sorry if this question was asked before, but does anyone know what type of small potentiometer Moog is using for the DFAM, especially the "VCO 1 LEVEL" control? Even though decent usage mine got really wonky/scratchy and had lost a lot of his "movement resistance". Maybe it is possible to replace those poti DIY? hmmm.....

The location itself does not look like rocket science and sending it in from germany might be a little overkill.

Thanks a lot in advance!



If I recall correctly, the Pots are 10KB for most of them. I think the resonance was the only different one... Maybe 50KA? if you look at the back of the pots there should be markings on them that tell the values of them.

They are D-shat pots and you can buy all them from thonk.

It's been a few years since I built it so, look at the markings on the pots, measure them with a multimeter and good luck!
tdallas
JakoGreyshire wrote:

If I recall correctly, the Pots are 10KB for most of them. I think the resonance was the only different one... Maybe 50KA? if you look at the back of the pots there should be markings on them that tell the values of them.

They are D-shat pots and you can buy all them from thonk.

It's been a few years since I built it so, look at the markings on the pots, measure them with a multimeter and good luck!


Thanks a lot for the response and help! I will try that thumbs up
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