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steiner parker filter in euro

Post by 61050 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:11 am

i sold my microbrute but honestly miss the filter. like badly. is there a decent steiner parker filter for eurorack? looking specifically to hear from people that have one that they like. sorry if there is already a topic on this.

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Post by sloth713 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:54 am

The Livewire FrequenSteiner might be worth looking into. Honestly i have never used it so i don't much about it's true sound and i don't know about it's current availability but it is definite a Steiner Parker filter. Elby and synthcube also make Steiner Parker filter but once again I know next to nothing about them. I wish i could be of more help to with first hand info but best of luck on your quest.

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Post by Synthacon » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:07 am

I have never thought the Frequensteiner was that close to the filter on the Arturia stuff. Also as an ex owner of an original silver Synthacon I did not think the Arturia filters cracked the Synthacon sound either. I had both a Mini and Micro Brute.

There is also the Steiner Synthasystem filter, different from the Synthacon VCF again. Manhattan Analog do a version of this which sounds nice.

The Frequensteiner is nice enough however.
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Post by starthief » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:48 am

I have a Microbrute and a Doepfer A-102, and would say it gets pretty close. But:

- It lacks bandpass and highpass.
- No Brute Factor, but you can patch feedback to get that same growl. You can also mult either the input or output into one of the CVs to get cool results.
- It doesn't compensate the level automatically for resonance, but there's a gain knob that boosts it plenty and can drive it hard.

It's cheap, and 3 CV inputs and that big drive are nice to have. I've heard Frequensteiner has problems with hum due to its design, and I'm not getting that with the A-102.

I decided to keep my Microbrute as well as the A-102, but not because of any disappointment in the filter :)
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Post by StudentsOfTheFuture » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:37 pm

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unk ... parker-vcf

This is a Euro adaptation of the filter that the designer (Yves Usson) adapted into the Brute filter.

Kind of a cousin or an ancestor depending on how you slice it.

DIY and missing the brute, obviously, but both those are solvable.
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Post by limpmeat » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:04 pm

There is also the EAR Steiner 4p filter. I have one, it's ace. Although I'm not sure if it's close to Brute/OG Steiner.

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Post by 61050 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:38 pm

o snap. that yusynth looks perfect. diy only though? :(

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Post by paperCUT » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:44 pm

http://www.analoguehaven.com/elbydesigns/cgs735/
I have it and it's a beast, one of my most used filters.

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Post by 61050 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:22 pm

paperCUT wrote:http://www.analoguehaven.com/elbydesigns/cgs735/
I have it and it's a beast, one of my most used filters.
dang, that looks nice, and the price is right on. how deep is that? looks like a lot of real estate behind the panel.

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Post by widgetoz » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:45 pm

61050 wrote:
paperCUT wrote:http://www.analoguehaven.com/elbydesigns/cgs735/
I have it and it's a beast, one of my most used filters.
dang, that looks nice, and the price is right on. how deep is that? looks like a lot of real estate behind the panel.
Thats the old build.
The new build is about 50mm deep
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Post by 61050 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:53 pm

nice! i saw on modular grid that its listed at 60mm, but the photo on analogue haven looked way deeper. i appreciate the clarification, as well as the tip in general. you just found my next filter for me! :D

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Post by CaptainRockout » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:26 am

I'm really glad this thread exists as I find myself missing my old Microbrute's filter as well. The wave shaping was awesome too. I see that Bubblesound has a diode filter. How does that one compare?

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Post by hermbot » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:46 am

CaptainRockout wrote:I'm really glad this thread exists as I find myself missing my old Microbrute's filter as well. The wave shaping was awesome too. I see that Bubblesound has a diode filter. How does that one compare?
The Doepfer wave multipliers seem to duplicate both the folding effect of the triangle wave and the duplication effect of the sawtooth wave, but I've never heard a direct comparison.

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Post by Jargonius » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:13 am

hermbot wrote:
CaptainRockout wrote:I'm really glad this thread exists as I find myself missing my old Microbrute's filter as well. The wave shaping was awesome too. I see that Bubblesound has a diode filter. How does that one compare?
The Doepfer wave multipliers seem to duplicate both the folding effect of the triangle wave and the duplication effect of the sawtooth wave, but I've never heard a direct comparison.
A137-1 is great, but don't sound like mbrute imho.

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Post by macs4music » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:11 am

The Doepfer A-102 is not the Steiner filter; it’s a recreation of the filter in the VCS3. It’s also my favourite ever filter and I’ll never sell it! What you’re after is the A-101-1 Vactrol filter. It’s VERY close to the microbrute (I’ve got both) and offers loads of patching options. There are two outputs, one that does indeed make up for lost output level and one that doesn’t.

http://www.doepfer.de/a1011.htm

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Post by starthief » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:26 am

Huh, weird. I can get quite similar results with the A-102 and Microbrute. Seems odd to me that a vactrol filter would sound closer than another diode filter...
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Post by Drilldoughzer » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:56 pm

CaptainRockout wrote:I'm really glad this thread exists as I find myself missing my old Microbrute's filter as well. The wave shaping was awesome too. I see that Bubblesound has a diode filter. How does that one compare?
The Bubblesound Diod filter is awesome... You won't regret selling your Microbrute. :bananaguitar:

And I got one to sell too! I ordered a DIY kit but they sent me a built unit so I never racked it and I ordered a Kit (addicted to soldering :hyper: ) and I finished it last night and I love it!

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Post by REwire » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:57 pm

I've tried and not liked all the Steiner Euro filters after selling my Synthacon so far but still want to hear this one:


https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/blu ... teiner.htm

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Post by clusterchord » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:26 pm

of the current offerings in euro, i really like the sound of Blue Lantern Diode. sounds most musical to me. only thing im not sure if the current reissue smt module sounds exact same as the old thruhole one i tried.

i had microbrute and it has its moments, but overall its a dry, thin and very narrow sweet spot. probably my least favorite implementation of steiner. Bubblesounds was tempting due to small size, but i still prefer BL.

Elby was always a no go before due to depth, tho i was drawn to its gorgeous design. however i didn't know they made a V2 with somewhat shallower pcb setup. that is something i will have to investigate again. pity there is almost no demos of it anywhere, i looked many times.


PS is Manhattan available now? it has been in announcement/proto phase for cpl of years.
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Post by diode_destroyer » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:39 pm

clusterchord wrote:PS is Manhattan available now? it has been in announcement/proto phase for cpl of years.
Sure... https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/man ... mixer.html

Been looking at getting it, want to find some better demos first though... So many cool filters, so little time/money.

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Post by clusterchord » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:57 pm

nope wrong filter. the link you posted goes to his state variable filter which is available for cpl of years now.


i am asking about the new manhattan synthasystem



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a question for those in the know, what exactly is the difference btwn the steiner parker synthacon and synthasystem filters? is the latter also a diode multimode ?


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Post by CaptainRockout » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:19 pm

So I just did a shootout between the two that intrigued me the most - the Bubblesound Diod and the Blue Lantern 10 Stage Steiner. The Blue Lantern won hands down.

Based on comments so far and the fact that they are small and relatively cheap, they were perfect candidates to purchase used and compare. The Bubblesound has a great liquidy croakiness to the lowpass, but its resonance very quickly goes into screaming territory and not in a good way. The Blue Lantern Steiner had a similar sound but even more buzzy and croaky, which made for really fun, growling bass lines. I found it's resonance to be much more musical and fun to play with. Lots of interesting little sweet spots and when you feed it back on itself - oh my! Even deeper bass with lots of character. This reminded me the most of late nights screwing around with the brute factor. Although it doesn't sound exactly like the Microbrute, it definitely scratched the itch of what I was missing in terms of the filter and brute factor.

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