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Cloud Terrarium VS Shapeshifter?
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Author Cloud Terrarium VS Shapeshifter?
Oasis_Pyramid
Has anyone got or played with both? and can offer some info of how similar or different they are?

I have a shapeshifter at the moment, but I have been offered a Cloud terrarium in trade from my Akemies Castle, which seems like a good trade.

from the videos I have seen the cloud terrarium looks and sounds great, and maybe sounds a bit more raw and analogue sounding that the shapeshifter, but maybe a little less dynamic and less cv control.

are they different beasts completely? or do they cover the same ground? and ill end up with two VCO's that do pretty much the same thing?

also I do love the akemies castle, so its a tough decision in that respect too, but I would never get rid of the shapeshifter. anyone able to offer insight?
mdoudoroff
I’d say that with Shapeshifter, the wavetables are mainly raw materials—a starting point for building a complex signal within the module using all the other features therein, while on the E352, the wavetables are the entire point. With the E352, you can build, modify and share wavetables for it (using software on your computer). Morphing and layering them (the “cloud” part) are the main features.

Neither have much to do with Akemie’s Castle.
tuj
So I have both in my system and have for a long time. The E350 excels at being smooth in transition between the waves, the interpolation really makes it sound transparent as it morphs around.

The shapeshifter on the other hand, i find to be more raw and somewhat harder to work with given it's complexity, which is both good and bad.

I also have the E352 and it's sort of the best of both in some ways. Lots of good morphing action, but also a solid display and set of extra features.
Oasis_Pyramid
thanks for the input guys, much appreciated.

seems like its great, and would be a good partner with the shapeshifter.

for some reason the sound of the Akemies castle to me never seems to gel well with the shapeshifter.
Oasis_Pyramid
did the deal!

really happy with it, unbelievable how simple it is to use, no manual needed (in fact i dont think they even have one)

happy with the sound, seems to pack a bit more raw punch and sound a bit more "analogue" than the shapeshifter. also seems to be able to morph through the wavetable a lot smoother with really nice harmonics you can pick out

i suppose now the challenge seems to be how to get them to play nicely together, they both pack a lot of punch!

blinosynth
the good thing of the complex wateble oscillator is that if you dont use them all the time they can be beautiful complex lfos or modulators... so u have such a beautiful system and possiblities there
well done
mdoudoroff
Good point by blinosynth. Also, I’ve been finding that digital oscillators often benefit from mild filtration and/or a little analog saturation—in essence, a hint of distortion to soften them up.
Oasis_Pyramid
blinosynth wrote:
the good thing of the complex wateble oscillator is that if you dont use them all the time they can be beautiful complex lfos or modulators... so u have such a beautiful system and possiblities there
well done


thanks man, yea ill have to give that a try, to be honest the system is a lot more advanced than my knowledge and experience with euro rack,especially all the modulation possibilities etc, but its great fun learning it all, the whole wavetable thing was a bit of a mystery to me, just just from getting the Cloud Terrarium and having a go at making wavetables on their software has made it a lot easier to understand.

plus the VCO's ive gone for have given me pretty much exactly the kind of sounds and textures I wanted to achieve in the first place by getting into modular
jjclark
mdoudoroff wrote:
Good point by blinosynth. Also, I’ve been finding that digital oscillators often benefit from mild filtration and/or a little analog saturation—in essence, a hint of distortion to soften them up.


Remember that the Shapeshifter includes an analog wavefolder which, at its lower end provides a nice warm saturation (before it gets all goofy with wavefolding).
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