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Any 73-75 word?
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Author Any 73-75 word?
3001
Hey, any word on this? I really miss serge, but I don't want to spend RS or STS money.

Curious if there's been updates.
the bad producer
Yes, the DIY set is out and plenty built, not sure about the pre-built units... There is a FB group called 73-75 if that floats yer boat!
auxren
I built the 2 DIY panels and they are great! Total cost for the two panels with all the parts was $905
chorus7
Resurrecting this to see if there is any word on the built panels? I’ve signed up for the news letter on 73-75 but nothing as yet... anyone know anything?
dksynth
I'd love to see all of them released as DIY ... the current 2 panel set is nice but I wouldn't want the others built without panel mount pots and some nicer parts that I use
luchog
I'd like to see PCBs/Panels for the whole lot as well, would be a lot easier to afford, and I like the idea of upgrading the quality of some parts over what is typically used.

Is there any news if any of it may be available again, or if it's just been abandoned?
beatcleaver
chorus7 wrote:
Resurrecting this to see if there is any word on the built panels? I’ve signed up for the news letter on 73-75 but nothing as yet... anyone know anything?


There are two panels for sale in BST, not mine:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204306&highlight=
prphnc
+1 for DIY versions!
chorus7
beatcleaver Thanks for the heads up but I wondering about the prebuilt ones still to be released (voice and sequencer)...
luchog
The Website says the DIY "Homebuilt" kits are back in stock!

"Back in stock and will ship first week in January 2019"

https://shop.73-75.com/diy-system
Portabella
I had none of the 73-75 panels under my own fingers but from the demos I heard online, it doesnt really sound like Serge ..? I'd go so far and say it doesn't even sound good? seriously, i just don't get it
cygmu
Well for sure it doesn’t sound like a Serge made of PCO, NTO, DUSG, VCM, etc. I guess that’s why Serge didn’t stop in 1975 and bothered to design those modules. Whether it’s good or not is rather in the ear of the listener and the skill of the operator I suppose.

I think we’d all like to believe that there has been progress since 1975. But perhaps there can also be things to learn and enjoy by revisiting the technology of bygone days. Maybe something new and better will emerge as a result.
dbernhardt58
Portabella wrote:
I had none of the 73-75 panels under my own fingers but from the demos I heard online, it doesnt really sound like Serge ..? I'd go so far and say it doesn't even sound good? seriously, i just don't get it


Agghhh! If I respond maybe I'll be able to sleep. The 73-75 Homebuilt panels sound good. To me. In my studio, with a great amp and speakers; hearing the sounds that I'm trying, or learning, to create or discover.

I tend to use the panels as an isolated instrument. And there are an infinite number of ways to patch the instrument, and an infinite number of ways to wiggle the knobs, and an infinite number of ways to move the patch cables around while wiggling the knobs. But yes, if the sounds you hear are just from this instrument, and other modules or outboard effects aren't used, then there may be limitations to the range of sounds that can be expressed.


So to your comment "it doesn't even sound good?" : don't think you meant this as a troll, but I don't really have any context to understand your comment. This must be a typical exchange in MW, probably happened a thousand times.

Look - what about the sound that you hear is it that you don't like? The tone, the pitch range, the rhythm/ patterns (or lack of), the bpm, the ambiance, the delay, the reverb; the composition, the nuance of the envelopes, the subtlety (or lack of) in the performance; the length of the sound piece, the repetition (or lack of); the style or genre that the sounds you hear express (or lack of); I could go on.

One more thought experiment: an analogy to violins or electric guitars; cheap ones and great ones x poor/inexperienced players and virtuosos. Visualize the 2x2 matrix representing these variables (with electric guitars the matrix is more complex: amplifiers and pedals are added). Suppose someone said "it doesn't even sound good?" without knowing if it was a cheap violin in the hands of a beginner, or an excellent violin in the hands of a virtuoso. The meaning of the comment changes completely depending on the context, and the follow-on discussion has a completely different character. And if the commenter doesn't like certain genres or styles, then no amount of player skill or innate sound quality in the instrument will make the "sound good."

The modular is not like a keyboard synth with presets that you just bang on a note and hey, that sound's great! or, I don't like that sound. It's not like that.

I plan to sleep better tonight. I can only hope.
qwoned
The pre-built VOICE panel seems to be available. anyone have a report they can offer regarding lead time, build/sound quality, etc?

https://shop.73-75.com/voice
kroffe
qwoned wrote:
The pre-built VOICE panel seems to be available. anyone have a report they can offer regarding lead time, build/sound quality, etc?

https://shop.73-75.com/voice


Ordered mine 17th nov and got local delivery last thursday.
qwoned
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beyourdog
dbernhardt58 wrote:
Portabella wrote:
I had none of the 73-75 panels under my own fingers but from the demos I heard online, it doesnt really sound like Serge ..? I'd go so far and say it doesn't even sound good? seriously, i just don't get it


Agghhh! If I respond maybe I'll be able to sleep. The 73-75 Homebuilt panels sound good. To me. In my studio, with a great amp and speakers; hearing the sounds that I'm trying, or learning, to create or discover.

I tend to use the panels as an isolated instrument. And there are an infinite number of ways to patch the instrument, and an infinite number of ways to wiggle the knobs, and an infinite number of ways to move the patch cables around while wiggling the knobs. But yes, if the sounds you hear are just from this instrument, and other modules or outboard effects aren't used, then there may be limitations to the range of sounds that can be expressed.


So to your comment "it doesn't even sound good?" : don't think you meant this as a troll, but I don't really have any context to understand your comment. This must be a typical exchange in MW, probably happened a thousand times.

Look - what about the sound that you hear is it that you don't like? The tone, the pitch range, the rhythm/ patterns (or lack of), the bpm, the ambiance, the delay, the reverb; the composition, the nuance of the envelopes, the subtlety (or lack of) in the performance; the length of the sound piece, the repetition (or lack of); the style or genre that the sounds you hear express (or lack of); I could go on.

One more thought experiment: an analogy to violins or electric guitars; cheap ones and great ones x poor/inexperienced players and virtuosos. Visualize the 2x2 matrix representing these variables (with electric guitars the matrix is more complex: amplifiers and pedals are added). Suppose someone said "it doesn't even sound good?" without knowing if it was a cheap violin in the hands of a beginner, or an excellent violin in the hands of a virtuoso. The meaning of the comment changes completely depending on the context, and the follow-on discussion has a completely different character. And if the commenter doesn't like certain genres or styles, then no amount of player skill or innate sound quality in the instrument will make the "sound good."

The modular is not like a keyboard synth with presets that you just bang on a note and hey, that sound's great! or, I don't like that sound. It's not like that.

I plan to sleep better tonight. I can only hope.


Guess my question would be, does it sound like a modern Serge panel? Any comparison?
papz
The answer is no, it doesn't sound like a modern Serge panel.
It's not the purpose.
The interest of the 73-75 panels is they are based on the early paper face systems whose circuits and features are different from the later ones.
harolddonnelly
kroffe wrote:

Ordered mine 17th nov and got local delivery last thursday.


Nice enjoy! I wonder if these will be available as a kit and not pre built at some point?
ashleym
The voice panel has been up for sale for a while.

The 73-75 panels have quite different circuits and very different component counts to the more modern Serges (new being relative). They sound great to me but I am biased to like them. Crappy they aren’t. My Casio’s sound a bit crappy but brilliantly crappy and have a perfect place within the mix.
xonetacular
pics of the voice panel? what enclosure does it come in?
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