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AW198
How many of you use compressor modules? If you do - do you mainly use them as a final output module to tame the signal, or for colouring your sound sources and as an effect?

I'm just wondering whether they're actually worth having or not, and whether any of you could convince me of their usefulness or lack thereof... seriously, i just don't get it
Tumulishroomaroom
I haven't used it but the MSCL by WMD seems to be really good. The videos demos on youtube are impressive.

I think I've seen one or more in the racks of Ebcidic, Ansome... etc.
modularblack
Just at the beginning of my journey (and thats why i dont have a compressor - yet) but i think most drum sounds especially kick drums sound very limp when uncompressed.

I like my kicks short and powerful and thats what you definitly need s compressor for.
chaosick
AW198 wrote:
How many of you use compressor modules? If you do - do you mainly use them as a final output module to tame the signal, or for colouring your sound sources and as an effect?

I'm just wondering whether they're actually worth having or not, and whether any of you could convince me of their usefulness or lack thereof... seriously, i just don't get it


I have been using the Intellijel Jellysquasher for a few months. I think it's pretty awesome, but I am selling mine now and plan to get a full on stereo compressor eventual. Nothing but good things to say about it, though. PM me if you're interested.
mt3
Hot Glue. So much good.
starthief
For dynamics I mostly use plugins, or post-processing in Sound Forge. But I recently got a Bastl Dynamo, and I like it quite a bit.

It generates a gain reduction CV that you can use with a VCA to patch a compressor... but you can use it to control anything, which works great with filters, wavefolders etc.

There's also a 2-in-1-out switch with a normalled inverter meant for "fake thru-zero" applications, but my switch triggers on the wrong voltage ranges and I've written to Bastl about fixing it, so I can't really comment on how useful that part is.
Hovercraft
As soon as I started putting my modular together, I noticed dynamics issues with resonant modules (like the SMR). I began using Mutable Streams as a stereo end of chain compressor, and that helped a lot. As soon as MSCL was released, it replaced Streams, and it's been indispensable. Usually, it's used for light compression or limiting as an end of chain processor. Occasionally, I crank it up and use it as more of an effect, or side chain it. I'd love to get a second to use as a mid-chain effect. It goes a long way towards outputting a polished, cohesive mix for performances or live recordings.
Tumulishroomaroom
Hovercraft wrote:
As soon as I started putting my modular together, I noticed dynamics issues with resonant modules (like the SMR). I began using Mutable Streams as a stereo end of chain compressor, and that helped a lot. As soon as MSCL was released, it replaced Streams, and it's been indispensable. Usually, it's used for light compression or limiting as an end of chain processor. Occasionally, I crank it up and use it as more of an effect, or side chain it. I'd love to get a second to use as a mid-chain effect. It goes a long way towards outputting a polished, cohesive mix for performances or live recordings.

Do you find it useful for non-drums sounds ?
I do most of my drums with a Digitakt and have a Heat to mesh the Modular and Digi together on the master bus (It use it do side chain as well but it's a bit fussy). Yet I was still wondering if a MSCL wouldn't be useful in my 6u. It really seems to sound good.
Hovercraft
Tumulishroomaroom wrote:

Do you find it useful for non-drums sounds ?
I do most of my drums with a Digitakt and have a Heat to mesh the Modular and Digi together on the master bus (It use it do side chain as well but it's a bit fussy). Yet I was still wondering if a MSCL wouldn't be useful in my 6u. It really seems to sound good.


I don't use drums that often, although I usually have some percussive elements in my patches. The Heat may accomplish some of what I use MSCL for, but I'd bet you'd find it useful. Sometimes there are quieter elements to patches that can't be individually gained up, and the MSCL is great for bringing those into the mix.
AW198
Hovercraft wrote:
As soon as I started putting my modular together, I noticed dynamics issues with resonant modules (like the SMR). I began using Mutable Streams as a stereo end of chain compressor, and that helped a lot. As soon as MSCL was released, it replaced Streams, and it's been indispensable. Usually, it's used for light compression or limiting as an end of chain processor. Occasionally, I crank it up and use it as more of an effect, or side chain it. I'd love to get a second to use as a mid-chain effect. It goes a long way towards outputting a polished, cohesive mix for performances or live recordings.


I've heard a lot of good things about MSCL, and I've also had a few problems with resonance at times - with the hp, I think I'll have to get it, or maybe 2! This thread is definitely helping me realise I need some compression going on, since I like to not use software in my modular pieces.
witchbutter
I too am using MSCL and I had a Streams and a Mutant Hot Glue. MSCL has been the only one effective for me because I still think basically in software terms, that is if you want to bring out some features of quieter sounds you compress. Mutant Hot Glue only really worked for drums. I know you can do ducking with LPGs, but it seems like eurorack is missing an overall mix compression and definitely missing simpler limiters. I've seen a few videos advocation an outside compression box on your outputs.
williamjturkel
There are a *lot* of posts on Muffs about how to get into audio feedback patching but they usually stress the ‘need’ for a matrix mixer (Doepfer A-138m the perennial favourite) and ignore the compressor. I now have two MSCLs and a Dynamo for feedback use and they are fantastic.
Pelsea
I understand the benefits of expertly tweaked compression. However, I have heard so many tracks screwed up by clueless compression that it's not on my list of priority modules. It's not like the outputs of modules are unpredictable or difficult to control. Drum samples are already compressed, so my only application would be vocal input, and that can be managed by picking my vocalist carefully.

Of course the fact that I have two brutish compressors in my ears might affect my opinion. (Naw, I've always felt that way.)
ranix
I like compressors, they're a lot of fun to use when recording spoken voice. The "sidechain" effect that a lot of people like to use can be accomplished with just a VCA though.

I've got two rack compressors and have no desire to add compressor modules to my synthesizer. You can get them pretty cheap used. If you haven't played with one I recommend getting one cheap just to mess around with. It's not a big deal at all to have one when working with synthesizers or synthesized drum sounds in my opinion.
xenosapien
mt3 wrote:
Hot Glue. So much good.


yerrr!! grin
raccoonboy
I use Mutant Hot Glue and WMD compressor on drums. Both good for different reasons.
WMD is transparent and nice saturation.
Hot Glue is great for natural colouration in the gain. Warms up the sound a lot.
WMD has more controls and is more precise. Hot Glue is great on loops
helder
I don't know if anyone has mentioned yet but endorphines cockpit is a mixer that can do sidechain compressor. And optomix as well (and any VCA I guess...)
milkshake
If compressor modules have auto gain, then aplying cv to lots of variables is extremely expressive.
I've modified a Valley 440 to do just that.
scragz
I was planning on picking up the WMD MSCL for end of chain to glue everything together....but I figured if it was going to always be on and not tweaked much I might as well just use the DSP compressor in TotalMix for monitoring and use DAW plugins for mixing.

Seemed like sidechaining would need to have an intermediate mix and then have the kick mixed back into the output of the compressor, just ended up getting a mixer with CV inputs to do ducking that way.
mem0ryM4gnet
Hello!

You could also patch a compressor, just needs an envelope follower, maybe a slew limiter, ideally with control for both attack and release, (or a LP filter that can be used for that purpose), maybe some way to offset CV (depending on your VCA*), and a VCA.
Patch audio into both envelope-follower and the VCA, invert the output of the envelpe-follower, slew-limit the output of the env-follower (=Attack and Release), (offset the env.follower ouitput upwards), then into the CV input of the VCA, with variable depth....
If you have an envelope follower that has control for for attack and release you obviously dont need a slew limiter..

*for example with a Dopefer A-131 VCA you woud need no CV offset module since you can just open the VCA with the Gain knob, and patch the inverted env-follower output into the CV2 inpuut (for which it has a modulation depth knob)...

You could also process the envekioe CV with a waveshaper or whatever to get different compression flavours...

Exclude the inverter to get an expander

Patch whtatever else to the env-follower input to sidechain.

Hope this makes sense....
Multi Grooves
I recently got the Waldorf CMP1 as it is much easier to use within a patch than using my larger "proper hardware" which is really end line stuff. Biggest problem I have with the CMP1 is it being mono for that size. The nature of compression isn't something I'd associate with wiggling, so again I question the sprawl.

It'd be interesting to see a shoot out of euro compressors with info on the various topologies involved.

I do like the look of the Jelly Squisher but heard the iron/distortion modes didn't sound awfully different from each other.
pjay
recently added an MSCL to my LIVE set case's master output and its very easy to set and sounds excellent. glue or squash your choice
MindMachine
EMW also has a module or two in Euro format. Never heard them. Would not know how to use them. They are affordable.
Virusinstaller
Godsbox lollipop is DIY and a superb contender for compressors in euro.
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