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The Ambient Machine
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Author The Ambient Machine
overthinker
Hello everyone!



I'm in the process of building a Eurorack that specialises in ambient music. I am quite happy with this build as I think it has enough voices, effects and cv modulation. I am using Rings and Clouds in alternative modes mostly to make pads, textures and melodies. While the Twin Waves are nice for bass and noise. The Three Sisters will be nice for combining and filtering different sounds together as well as self oscillation. The Morphagene will be used either for pre-recordered samples, resampling of the current patch or live sampling and manipulation of vocals. And the PO-32 for some minimal beats.

All of my setup is clocked to the Octatrack and I am also able to use its MIDI sequencers via CV.OCD.

I use the Octatrack for final effects, compression and master filtering as well as quantised resampling.

At the moment I am mostly playing with my friend who makes nice drums on his system while I do the ambiences. I am not too concentrated on the drums, but having the PO-32 proves to be very useful when he's not here.

I currently own about half of the modules and was wondering if I had made any deadly mistakes that I am going to regret later and end up rearranging the whole system. I am particularly worried about the Ornament & Crime as I haven't used it yet and am not sure how well it would integrate with this system. Maybe you have some suggestions what would go well instead of it or maybe it is exactly what I need?

Maybe it is worth mentioning my musical taste as well. My main inspirations are ambient works of Aphex Twin, Thom Yorke's Tomorrow's Modern Boxes, Jon Hopkins, Nils Frahm, Suzanne Kraft, Brian Eno, Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith.

I turn to you for some healthy criticism and opinions based on experience. w00t
overthinker
Another Variation.

Jumbuktu
Given your stated influences, my guess is that the Morphagene is the core of most compositions? My own influences would be Eno, early Tangerine Dream, Bjork and maybe Boards of Canada.

Speaking for myself, I find sample players are a good accessory to the MG, as well as providing more backing sounds. The TipTop One and Radio Music are my personal choices.

Also, I like long delays and good thick filters for this sort of stuff. There are plenty of options here - I don't have one, but the Xaos Belgrade might be a nice thing to have. I have a ModCan dual delay, but there are good cheaper alternatives.
Dcramer
woah those micro Clouds are great, good choice as it lets you squeeze two of em in there This is fun! This is fun!
Gets my vote! we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
cptnal
I would generally counsel against two of anything in a small rack, but I reckon with two Rings you'll get bored very quickly. Rings is the tool of Satan and must be destroyed, and with two in there they might breed! woah
Goin_noW
Good choice for ambient.
overthinker
Thanks for the replies guys!

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Given your stated influences, my guess is that the Morphagene is the core of most compositions? My own influences would be Eno, early Tangerine Dream, Bjork and maybe Boards of Canada.

Speaking for myself, I find sample players are a good accessory to the MG, as well as providing more backing sounds. The TipTop One and Radio Music are my personal choices.

Also, I like long delays and good thick filters for this sort of stuff. There are plenty of options here - I don't have one, but the Xaos Belgrade might be a nice thing to have. I have a ModCan dual delay, but there are good cheaper alternatives.


I actually find the Rings to be used way more than the Morphagene! Plus I have three dedicated sampling tracks on the Octatrack so I'm pretty happy with the sampling capabilities overall! And as for the long delays and effects I have 2x Disting MK4's, 2x uClouds, and the DSP. And 8 tracks of effects on the Octatrack!

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those micro Clouds are great, good choice as it lets you squeeze two of em in there This is fun! This is fun!
Gets my vote!


Oh yaaas! Especially with both having Parasites on them love

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I would generally counsel against two of anything in a small rack, but I reckon with two Rings you'll get bored very quickly. Rings is the tool of Satan and must be destroyed, and with two in there they might breed! woah


Oh I don't mind Ring satan babies at all haha! I was sitting with my previous build and going through each oscillator separately deciding what sounds best (personally) for each bass, chords, melodies, texture and weird stuff and I found the Rings to win in each category. Keeping in mind that I use them in different easter egg modes (one in FM the other in Organ) I think they would not get boring for a while! What would you suggest changing one of the Rings into? Maybe a Plonk?

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Good choice for ambient.


Cheers!


Which version would be more suited for ambient stuff do you think? The first or the second one?
The second build has Elements instead of Twin Waves, 2hp ADSR 2hp Filter Ornamental & Crime, and Maths.
I do love the sound and possibilities of the Elements but I'm quite afraid to sacrifice so much functionality just to fit it in.
But the first build worries me about the Ornamental & Crime + Voltage Block, is it one too many sequencers?
I guess at this point I just need reasurrence to get the first build, because I am kind of leaning towards that one haha.

Oh just think of the possibilities! I could CV sequence so many settings with the Voltage Block! And I could combine Maths signal with a random LFO from the Pamela in the Veils and just slightly introduce it sometimes with a volume knob, it would liven any repeating pitch sequence so well!

Oh yes I forgot to mention that when I am playing with my friend we just improvise for an hour or more so I want the build to be dynamic and lend itself nicely for long live set performances.

Gosh I'm so overthinking this... But am I? very frustrating hyper
cptnal
overthinker wrote:
What would you suggest changing one of the Rings into? Maybe a Plonk?


I didn't end up with either but when I was last shopping for a new sound source, MN's tELHARMONIC and Noise Engineering's Cursus Iteritas were both serious contenders for a while. You may find they're more to your taste.

Alternatively, you could get yourself some dedicated random in there. This is fun!
richc90
I'd want more modulation. Clouds and Morphagene love random, and you'd need to attenuate the modulations going to Clouds. Something like Qu-bit Chance would be a good option, since you get multiple random outputs, with attenuation on each.

Given that the right hand side of Elements is pretty much Rings, two Rings *and* Elements is overkill.
overthinker
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I didn't end up with either but when I was last shopping for a new sound source, MN's tELHARMONIC and Noise Engineering's Cursus Iteritas were both serious contenders for a while. You may find they're more to your taste.

Alternatively, you could get yourself some dedicated random in there.


Cheers! In the process of researching them now!

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I'd want more modulation. Clouds and Morphagene love random, and you'd need to attenuate the modulations going to Clouds. Something like Qu-bit Chance would be a good option, since you get multiple random outputs, with attenuation on each.


What about Pamela's New Workout that I already own? It can do standard waveshape LFO's as well as Random ones and you can phase them, control the delay, width and level, even make them euclidian, as well as CV control them. I am using only a couple of its outputs for clocking which leaves me with many outputs to do all sorts of modulation.
richc90
Even so, I could quickly imagine using up most of the spare channels of PNW with just one Rings and a Clouds. You could of course send modulation via OT>CV.OCD, but the immediacy of having something like Chance is a big selling point imo.
cptnal
overthinker wrote:
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I didn't end up with either but when I was last shopping for a new sound source, MN's tELHARMONIC and Noise Engineering's Cursus Iteritas were both serious contenders for a while. You may find they're more to your taste.

Alternatively, you could get yourself some dedicated random in there.


Cheers! In the process of researching them now!

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I'd want more modulation. Clouds and Morphagene love random, and you'd need to attenuate the modulations going to Clouds. Something like Qu-bit Chance would be a good option, since you get multiple random outputs, with attenuation on each.


What about Pamela's New Workout that I already own? It can do standard waveshape LFO's as well as Random ones and you can phase them, control the delay, width and level, even make them euclidian, as well as CV control them. I am using only a couple of its outputs for clocking which leaves me with many outputs to do all sorts of modulation.


I like Pam's random, but sometimes you want it unclocked/slewed/audio-rate...
richc90
Also, I don't see a dedicated noise source, which is amazingly useful as both as an input to Rings and also as a modulation source (noise>varispeed on the MG is a regular trope in my stuff).
cptnal
richc90 wrote:
Also, I don't see a dedicated noise source, which is amazingly useful as both as an input to Rings and also as a modulation source (noise>varispeed on the MG is a regular trope in my stuff).


See also Wogglebug's Woggle out for that dodgy capstan sound. thumbs up
lisa
cptnal wrote:
Rings is the tool of Satan and must be destroyed, and with two in there they might breed

hihi

But Rings makes such a beautiful sound. One of the best instruments I've ever played. Two might be overkill but one sure is warranted, imo.
cptnal
lisa wrote:
cptnal wrote:
Rings is the tool of Satan and must be destroyed, and with two in there they might breed

hihi

But Rings makes such a beautiful sound. One of the best instruments I've ever played. Two might be overkill but one sure is warranted, imo.


That's how the Dark Lord seduces the unwary. twisted
williamjturkel
NLC Triple Sloths for slow modulation.
overthinker
Thanks for all the answers! Some very good points there.

I think this will be my setup afterall:



I am pretty happy with the CV modulation that I get from both sequencers + Maths + Disting MK4's + Pamela's workout

And as far as the noise goes I can just set one of the oscillators from Twin Waves to give me white or pink noise or an lfo in a variety of waveforms.
lisa
Looks nice! But why have you added the Pocket Operator to the rack? Surely you’ll keep that on the side?
pieter
If you take the pocket operator out of the rack you can put an Ultra Random Analog in there. You can also switch out one disting for a sloth.
worra
Also why not save some hp with a µO_c? I'd also recommend looking at the µClouds/µBurst modules that have the jacks at the bottom. The one you have in there makes wiggling very un-fun with it all patched up.
scttcmpbll
I'd ditch the Pocket Operator and strongly consider a Plonk or ES General CV
Antlerface
I'mma agree with Worra on that! uO_C would give you some extra space, and the uBurst looks way easier to fuck with once you've got it totally patched up.

How you get to the little knobbies when they're betwixt all your cable pasta?
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