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Plague Bearer - Not getting it at all - Sample patch?

Post by RichyHo » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:18 am

Hi

I've had a single PB for a couple of months now and have yet to get it to do anything other than add mild distortion to the input signal. I asked Flight for a demo patch that I could hook up to see if it's my module that's broken or whether I'm just using it wrong. He suggested asking here.

He also told me that the PB works best with attenuated signals so I tried that, but it didn't make much difference to my ears. I've heard some fabulous demos of the module on SoundCloud - you know, the ones where it's making bare-butt-on-hot-vinyl squeaks and all sorts of other goodnesss, but I can't get anywhere near this. I've tried sweeping the Hi and Low inputs manually and with CVs, low gain, high gain etc etc :-/

:cat2: Sample patch guys? Please?! I so want to love my PB!

Thanks

[edit] Forgot to add I have tried out the patches mentioned in the manual to do noise generation etc and these seem to work OK - it's just the extreme effects that everyone goes on about I'm having trouble getting down.

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Post by itijik » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:56 am

Its all about feedback, for me. Take an output and send it to a high resonance filter. Then back to one of the PB's inputs. Just play around with that for a while and I am sure you will find something.
Remember a lot of the more crazy demos have more than one PB in them! This is why I started to pair it with other filters.
I have only had this one a little while, but I could tell it was a winner when I started playing more with feedback. I plan to get a second one soon!

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Re: Plague Bearer - Not getting it at all - Sample patch?

Post by rezzn8r » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:17 pm

RichyHo wrote: I've had a single PB for a couple of months now and have yet to get it to do anything other than add mild distortion to the input signal. I asked Flight for a demo patch that I could hook up to see if it's my module that's broken or whether I'm just using it wrong. He suggested asking here.
I like to use mine to get crazy overdriven guitar like tones. Push the Input Level near max and keep the gain lowish. High and Low to taste.
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RichyHo wrote: you know, the ones where it's making bare-butt-on-hot-vinyl squeaks and all sorts of other goodnesss
this is usually the result of CV'ing the shit out of the high and low. what are you using as a modulation source for the PlagueBearer?
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Post by theabsent » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:44 pm

Try something like
High 9 o'clock
Low 9
Gain 3 o'clock
Input 3

Then wiggle a bit to find a sweet pot.

I use it a lot with basic osc->lpf->pb setting.
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Post by Spanningtree » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:16 pm

^^^^ Thanks, just tried this. Works great.

The OSC->PB->LPF sounds really good too.
I also tried OSC->PB->PB->LPF.
You start to get some interesting harmonics (screaming) while adjusting the high/low on the PB and the freq. on the LPF (q set to about 3-4:00pm). The PB is a module I am always learning something about.

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Post by dude » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:57 pm

if it makes you feel any better, you aren't the first person to not gel with the PB. and not for lack of trying.

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Post by flight » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:13 pm

dude wrote:if it makes you feel any better, you aren't the first person to not gel with the PB. and not for lack of trying.
:agree:
This is the drawback to most of my products - they require a lot of patience and experimentation. The only other choice was to include extra pots, switches and jacks (not to mention the extra supporting circuitry) on each one, which would push the price (and size) way beyond what I want to charge.
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Post by negativspace » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:25 pm

I was having some trouble with my PB the other night, too. It was definitely changing the sound and the CV inputs were having an effect, but... it just wasn't right. Still, I liked the patch I came up with so I stuck with it for a couple of hours.

Turns out I hadn't plugged it in. I upgraded to a new case and forgot to hook up a couple of power cables before I fired it up. Figured it out when I noticed an LFO not powered and went to plug it in. :doh:

So... turns out it also works as a passive unit. I take it that's not a ... deliberate feature?

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Post by RichyHo » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:32 pm

Thanks for all the advice guys. I ended up making some progress by combining itijik's suggestions of feedback and theabsent's PB settings. Using my Doepfer A-143-3 Quad LFO into an A-138m matrix mixer allowed me to lay some sweet attenuated modulation mixes onto the PB's Hi and Lo inputs. I found many sweet spots seemingly only microns of wiggle wide. Need more experimentation, but it definitely seems to be working.

Thanks again

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Post by CreepTheProphet » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:04 pm

Yeah that's the thing about Plague Bearers, you can get soooooo much out of them but it takes a little bit of work finding the sweet spots. Once you do though they can make some sweet noise.

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Post by vasculator » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:27 pm

negativspace wrote:I...Still, I liked the patch I came up with so I stuck with it for a couple of hours.

Turns out I hadn't plugged it in. I upgraded to a new case and forgot to hook up a couple of power cables before I fired it up. Figured it out when I noticed an LFO not powered and went to plug it in. :doh:

So... turns out it also works as a passive unit. I take it that's not a ... deliberate feature?
one time lukas412 and I had good fun using a quad plague bearer for about an hour then realized the power wasn't on and it was just passively effecting the signal very subtly. love that module.

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Post by theabsent » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:47 am

PB doesn't work with all sounds. For example yesterday (again) I couldn't find sweet spots when I used wavefolders before it. Sometimes it delivers sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by flight » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:01 am

theabsent wrote:PB doesn't work with all sounds. For example yesterday (again) I couldn't find sweet spots when I used wavefolders before it. Sometimes it delivers sometimes it doesn't.
Absolutely! If you want to be REALLY disappointed, try using a PB on a sine wave. :cry:
They work best on signals with a lot of harmonic content - and are low-level! Overdriven input + normal nastiness = boring squared-off output.
Most dramatic results with a square or ramp/saw, subtle effect with triangle, and fuck all with yon sine.

Passive functionality: Nope, not intended, but pretty damn cool! I still get faked out by it from time to time.
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Post by RichyHo » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:32 am

vasculator wrote:
negativspace wrote:I...Still, I liked the patch I came up with so I stuck with it for a couple of hours.

Turns out I hadn't plugged it in. I upgraded to a new case and forgot to hook up a couple of power cables before I fired it up. Figured it out when I noticed an LFO not powered and went to plug it in. :doh:

So... turns out it also works as a passive unit. I take it that's not a ... deliberate feature?
one time lukas412 and I had good fun using a quad plague bearer for about an hour then realized the power wasn't on and it was just passively effecting the signal very subtly. love that module.
I think all modules should have at least one LED, even if just to show it's powered on and functioning. But then I also love LEDs!

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Post by Umcorps » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:50 am

CreepTheProphet wrote:Yeah that's the thing about Plague Bearers, you can get soooooo much out of them but it takes a little bit of work finding the sweet spots. Once you do though they can make some sweet noise.
I reckon its a cunning marketing ploy to get you to get a Choices. Lets you zoom right into those sweet spots :nana:

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Post by Soy Sos » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:42 am

I use the PB with sine and triangle waves all the time.
Low gain, hi gain always gets something interesting.
It's not the perfect module for everything, but what is?
Maybe mine is magical....

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Post by rezzn8r » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:49 am

Soy Sos wrote: Maybe mine is magical....
:cthulhu: They're all magical :flamey:
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Post by DanielW » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:41 am

This short track may serve as an example.

First section: uLFO triangle --> Malekko Boogie filter --> Malekko Borg Filter --> A-132-3 VCA. uLFO and Borg modulated by Dark Energy LFO1.

Second section: Same as the first, but with Flight of Harmony Plague Bearer filter between Borg and VCA. Identical settings.

http://soundcloud.com/risingstar-1/pb-demo

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Post by terrafractyl » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:48 am

I love the way it sounds (almost every time), when patched after a borg filter. :love:
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Post by Kodama » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:07 pm

#1 Hint: Turn gain all the way down and keep input at 70-90% until you get the hang of it.

It really shines in feedback loops with filters and wave folders. This is a diddy that I did with just a Polivoks, A137-1, and a PB in a feedback loop with some knob wiggles:

http://soundcloud.com/geneticdmg/bitsuck

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