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SSL SampleCorder - Reissue

Post by dslocum » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:57 pm

Hey guys & gals,

I'm strongly considering a reissue of the JJP SampleCorder, but without the compander circuitry. The NE570 compander in the original was used to help keep noise down a bit. The problem on the reissue is that these chips are a little difficult to source in SMD (which is now what I use almost exclusively)

I'm hoping that you guys can deal with the "gritty" nature of the raw ISD chip. I don't yet have a demo - sorry. Soon I'm hoping.

The JJP SampleCorder is one of the most requested "please make this again" modules that SSL has ever made, SO...

I'm looking at making a few of these (updated). Who's in? I need to get about 10 units before I pull the trigger.
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Post by Dave Peck » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:30 pm

Can you still get that chip fairly easily in the through-hole package? If so, consider using a surface mounted IC socket on the board and then plug the through hole chip into the socket by hand after the pick and place.

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Or just hand solder the through hole part onto the board after pick and place.

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Post by snevlida14 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:53 pm

It's definitely a cool module I would like to see it reissued

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Post by EPTC » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:39 pm

I'd love it reissued. Your Scat Talker is amazing. I remember the thread where both a 1-space and 2-space version was discussed. Strongly prefer the aesthetics of the original 1-space. I mean this thing just looks so damn nice.
https://steamsynth.com/shop/discontinue ... odel-1450/

Would also welcome the gritty sound you're describing.

I'm not sure I'd go for the 2-space layout, as it just doesn't hit my brain the same way the 1-space layout does. (If you'll welcome the candor) Banks might be fun but will say variable start/stop length post sample looks really interesting; so will probably dig on the dual space if that's your choice, too.

Awesome news!
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Post by Chrutil » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:09 pm

I'm happy with mine so I'll pass on the updated version, but if there was one feature I wanted from mine it would be a screen saver that turned off the backlit screen when not in use. It's quite bright.

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Post by alternating.bit » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:39 pm

Chrutil wrote:I'm happy with mine so I'll pass on the updated version, but if there was one feature I wanted from mine it would be a screen saver that turned off the backlit screen when not in use. It's quite bright.
...are you talking about the Jones O'Tool scope module perhaps, or maybe even the FX Capacitor? Not sure what "screen" you're referring to.

I love the original Samplecorder but my main hangup was the sound quality being so low (basically I wanted to use it as a mini Phonogene) so if the new one sounds the same or even worse I don't know...

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Post by Chrutil » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:48 pm

alternating.bit wrote:
Chrutil wrote:I'm happy with mine so I'll pass on the updated version, but if there was one feature I wanted from mine it would be a screen saver that turned off the backlit screen when not in use. It's quite bright.
...are you talking about the Jones O'Tool scope module perhaps, or maybe even the FX Capacitor? Not sure what "screen" you're referring to.

I love the original Samplecorder but my main hangup was the sound quality being so low (basically I wanted to use it as a mini Phonogene) so if the new one sounds the same or even worse I don't know...
Well, duh on me :bang:
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Post by diophantine » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:10 pm

While I thoroughly enjoy my JJP Samplecorder, I'm not sure if I see a need for it to be reissued exactly as-is (or just without the compander).

Personally I've always been fine with the audio quality of the original - I've honestly never sampled anything other than stuff from within my MU system, and I've understood the limitations of the chips involved.

I think the biggest limitation is that you can't switch between 'record' and 'play' via CV. Also, an 'End of Sample' output might be more useful than the 'Playing' output.

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Post by alternating.bit » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:25 am

It looks like the list of requests of features / changes is starting again and I believe Doug has already gone through that stage and is at the point of getting actual funding to move forward. Just saving him the trouble of having to say this, as he's taken a lot of time into the design / decision on the reissue.
However the one thing that would help us all would be at least a sketch of the final forthcoming product. Thanks

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Post by diophantine » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:43 am

alternating.bit wrote:It looks like the list of requests of features / changes is starting again and I believe Doug has already gone through that stage and is at the point of getting actual funding to move forward. Just saving him the trouble of having to say this, as he's taken a lot of time into the design / decision on the reissue.
Well, since this was unnecessary & clearly directed at me...

I don't get the impression that the circuit or PCB design has been done for the new one yet.

I also have a vague recollection that only the first run was supposed to have JJP's signature on the panel - if that's the case, there would likely be room for a couple more jacks.

So I gave a couple of rather small changes that could be made, based on my own experience (& comments from others who have used mine). I think Doug is perfectly capable of saying 'nope!' if he likes. 8-)

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Post by alternating.bit » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:17 pm

diophantine wrote:Well, since this was unnecessary & clearly directed at me...
??? scroll up, you weren't the only one putting in requests.

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Post by diophantine » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:42 pm

alternating.bit wrote:
diophantine wrote:Well, since this was unnecessary & clearly directed at me...
??? scroll up, you weren't the only one putting in requests.
Apologies if I took your comment the wrong way & was a bit cranky; the only other request was the older comment re: banks, etc. which wouldn't be particularly sensible (possible?) with the ISD2560.

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Post by EPTC » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:37 pm

Yep, banks be me! Sorry if that sounded like a grocery list.

For reference, SSL suggested banks and other features I referenced as a two-panel version about a year ago here: viewtopic.php?t=153529&sid=c35492c39535 ... d5d50e7a4b
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Post by diophantine » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:54 pm

EPTC wrote:Yep, banks be me! Sorry if that sounded like a grocery list.

For reference, SSL suggested banks and other features I referenced as a two-panel version about a year ago here: viewtopic.php?t=153529&sid=c35492c39535 ... d5d50e7a4b
Shit, now my wife's gonna yell at me because I'll be reading IC datasheets again after dinner... haha.

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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:06 am

OK....

On the new prototype, I added the NE570 compander chip and it works just fine. Sounds exactly like the original.

Who's in for some SampleCorder goodness @ the pre-order price of $299 ?
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Post by ualslosar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:55 am

Thanks for your efforts. Another winner from SSL.

PM sent to Doug to request SampleCorder Reissue.

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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:22 pm

This is awesome. I've gotten a few PMs already (thank you!). A few more and I'll make this happen! This has been my most requested module to date!
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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:29 pm

So...

POLL:
Do you want to change the "PLAYING" output to be "DONE" ???

Currently, "Playing" goes high for the duration of the sample. Changing it to "Done" could do one of two things.

1) Done is normally high, but goes low for the duration of the sample (just the opposite of the current Playing output)

2) Done is normally low, but pulses high for X time when the sample is done. We would need to agree on the X pulse width.

This is a simple firmware change either way.

Can you think of another more valuable use?

Opinions?
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Post by EPTC » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:52 pm

This is great news, Doug! Is this a single space or the proposed double space layout?
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Post by alternating.bit » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:58 pm

Please share a photo at least of blueprints of the front panel layout, that would be very helpful, thanks.

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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:03 pm

EPTC wrote:This is great news, Doug! Is this a single space or the proposed double space layout?
This is a redux of the original single space module, complete with the JJP signature (authorized by JJP's daughter, Patricia). Minor changes are different push buttons and LEDs.

I'll probably number the new module 1451.
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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:05 pm

alternating.bit wrote:Please share a photo at least of blueprints of the front panel layout, that would be very helpful, thanks.
Pretty much the same as the original at this point.
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Post by dslocum » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:11 pm

diophantine wrote:
EPTC wrote:Yep, banks be me! Sorry if that sounded like a grocery list.

For reference, SSL suggested banks and other features I referenced as a two-panel version about a year ago here: viewtopic.php?t=153529&sid=c35492c39535 ... d5d50e7a4b
Shit, now my wife's gonna yell at me because I'll be reading IC datasheets again after dinner... haha.
At least your not reading them AT the dinner table! :-) That would piss off my wife to no ends!
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Post by dslocum » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:40 am

dslocum wrote:So...

POLL:
Do you want to change the "PLAYING" output to be "DONE" ???

Currently, "Playing" goes high for the duration of the sample. Changing it to "Done" could do one of two things.

1) Done is normally high, but goes low for the duration of the sample (just the opposite of the current Playing output)

2) Done is normally low, but pulses high for X time when the sample is done. We would need to agree on the X pulse width.

This is a simple firmware change either way.

Can you think of another more valuable use?

Opinions?
BUMP!
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"I guess all the Forest Mims Radio Shack books I read finally paid off!"
"I ordered twice as many _______ as I thought I'd need, only to find out that I'm still less than half way to having enough."
"...this whole thing was started by a dream and a mouse." - Walt Disney
"Flatulence sounds aren't just for brass and reed instruments anymore, thanks in large part to Dr Moog." - Ockeghem

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