Mutable Instruments Stages

[MvK]

Are you sure it will work while power is on? Maybe Stages would have to be rebooted to realize the wiring.

[moncks_crossing]

It would be ok if it needs to be switched while power is off - in fact this would be necessary for it, as it detects the connection on power up and boots in the correct mode. The switches would make it easier without having to remove the module.

[MvK]

possible problem maybe:

It depends how stages boots. I guess on power up it checks some kind of ID on the connection to find out how many stages there are. If a connection is established but no ID is coming there might be a problem. Just a guess.

[kineticturtle]

Isn't the connector like a 4 pin connector? Just get a 4p2t switch and wire it inline. I would bet (and I'm just making an educated guess here) that even if you flipped the switch while the unit is on, the leftmost mode could be changed to oscillator mode without any problems. Worst case scenario one crashes, I can't imagine this would do any permanent damage.

Anyway thanks for this thread popping back up, I didn't even know about the easter egg mode, I'm enjoying the heck out of it. :)

[CaptainRockout]

EDIT: Did not read far enough back. I should have known someone would have already tried a firmware solution

[moncks_crossing]

I would be fine if you needed to throw the switches and then power the module for it to boot into orginal or easter egg. It would mean that therewas no need to remove the module from the rack to change the cable.

[Videographics]

Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

(BTW, it’s a 3-pin cable that links the modules and enables the Easter egg on startup with the original firmware.)

[moncks_crossing]

Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

(BTW, it’s a 3-pin cable that links the modules and enables the Easter egg on startup with the original firmware.)

But this can’t be done with 2 modules chained.

[joeSeggiola]

Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

I'm the author of that firmware edit. Unfortunately I don't know, and I only have a single Stages, so I can't make tests. My hypothesis however is that it will behave strange or erroneously. Probably the one you put in ouroboros at runtime will function correctly, but the other one will still think to be chained, and act accordingly. I really can't tell :(

[forestcaver]

Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

I'm the author of that firmware edit. Unfortunately I don't know, and I only have a single Stages, so I can't make tests. My hypothesis however is that it will behave strange or erroneously. Probably the one you put in ouroboros at runtime will function correctly, but the other one will still think to be chained, and act accordingly. I really can't tell :(

It wont function correctly :-)

I’ve done some similar changes that also passes the ouroboros state left and right to chained modules to switch them as well. I’ve only tried it on two modules but my concerns are the overhead (memory) on the right and left comms - especially with more than two modules.... I’d love to test it with six but....

[CaptainRockout]

Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

I absolutely did miss them. Saw everyone talking about a switch expander and my first thought was "why not edit the firmware?" A shame it won't work for two Stages that are chained together as that is my situation too. Emilie recently posted this great diagram on the Mutable forum for a configuration using a DPDT switch: https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t ... g/14853/13

[Paranormal Patroler]

[MOD EDIT]

For clarity, and in order to keep things clean, this thread has been split. For Alternative firmware discussion please check

Alternative Firmware(s) for Mutable Instruments Stages

[cptnal]

Resubscribing

[Paranormal Patroler]

Resubscribing

You know you can do that via the topic options, right? You don't have to post on the topic for that to happen.
But yes, apologies, I'm not aware whether subscribers get unsubscribed when a topic gets split. I don't see why that would be the case, it doesn't make much sense, but still.

[cptnal]

Resubscribing

You know you can do that via the topic options, right? You don't have to post on the topic for that to happen.
But yes, apologies, I'm not aware whether subscribers get unsubscribed when a topic gets split. I don't see why that would be the case, it doesn't make much sense, but still.

I do know that, but I wanted to show appreciation at the same time.

[baleen]

thanks for the topic split. still need to find an afternoon to cook with the new variations.

[mrhooks]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever looked into the feasibility of creating an expander, connected via the 3-pin daisy-chain header(s)? Maybe something with 6 CV inputs for the knobs, and 6 "end of segment" gate/trigger outputs with LEDs?

[johannes]

is it possible to have level (amp) control over an lfo via a slider?
i guess its possible using 2 segments?

[autopoiesis]

is it possible to have level (amp) control over an lfo via a slider?
i guess its possible using 2 segments?

Yeah, you'd need to use two segments if you really wanted to use a Stages slider to scale the amplitude of one of its segments. For looping ramp segments, the slider only controls LFO frequency — the factory firmware doesn't work like Batumi where the sliders get repurposed for different functions depending on button states.

[johannes]

Ok good to know. Yes, maybe its overkill to use one segment of stages for something that a attenuator or a attenuator cable can do.
Btw does it sine lfo as well or only triangle, square etc.?

[starthief]

It'll do sines.

[johannes]

thanks. i know it has been asked in the past.
is there a way to cv the shape parameter- maybe via an alternative firmware?
when fming a lfo (at the time/level input) the gate input is redundant isnt it?

[mother misty]

thanks. i know it has been asked in the past.
is there a way to cv the shape parameter- maybe via an alternative firmware?

That's not possible, it's probably possible with alternative firmware, but I'm wondering how you would control that without giving up something else?

when fming a lfo (at the time/level input) the gate input is redundant isnt it?

No it's not, with the gate input you can make a syncable LFO, the slider acts as a clockdivider (remember to patch from the right) without gate you have a free running LFO (patch from the left)

[Lest]

thanks. i know it has been asked in the past.
is there a way to cv the shape parameter- maybe via an alternative firmware?

That's not possible, it's probably possible with alternative firmware, but I'm wondering how you would control that without giving up something else?

when fming a lfo (at the time/level input) the gate input is redundant isnt it?

No it's not, with the gate input you can make a syncable LFO, the slider acts as a clockdivider (remember to patch from the right) without gate you have a free running LFO (patch from the left)

Have the Stages for two years and never noticed that clock divider thing (never tried to use a clock as an input). Thanks a lot for that tip!!!

[afaafa]

is it possible to have level (amp) control over an lfo via a slider?
i guess its possible using 2 segments?

Yeah, you'd need to use two segments if you really wanted to use a Stages slider to scale the amplitude of one of its segments. For looping ramp segments, the slider only controls LFO frequency — the factory firmware doesn't work like Batumi where the sliders get repurposed for different functions depending on button states.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how are you achieving this? I can offset an lfo by running it through a step or hold stage but I'm not sure how to attenuate it.