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Mutable Instruments Stages
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Author Mutable Instruments Stages
MATSmile
'Segment Generator' (6 sliders, 6 buttons, 6 potentiometers, 12 CV ins, 6 CV outs)
rainlet
Would love to know where you got your information, unless it's speculation?

Edit: Ah, the image wasn't loading for me before. I had seen that image on Marcus Fischer's IG, but didn't look closely enough to see this. Fun. I'm definitely ready to hear what it is!
euromorcego
rainlet wrote:
Would love to know where you got your information, unless it's speculation?

looks like its a reflection on richard devines glasses.
lisa
euromorcego wrote:

looks like its a reflection on richard devines glasses.

Haha, crafty. grin
alanza
I'm gonna scream I'm so excited for this.
tomtomtron
woah

and on the left side is the other one! maybe marbles? but definitely the oct`15 Facebook Teaser module
rainlet
tomtomtron wrote:
woah

and on the left side is the other one! maybe marbles? but definitely the oct`15 Facebook Teaser module


Oh yeah! I see a clock input and controls for Bias, Jitter and Spread. I'd assume this might be the Clouds replacement?
starthief


This amused me Mr. Green
tomtomtron
rainlet wrote:
tomtomtron wrote:
woah

and on the left side is the other one! maybe marbles? but definitely the oct`15 Facebook Teaser module


Oh yeah! I see a clock input and controls for Bias, Jitter and Spread. I'd assume this might be the Clouds replacement?


and control for steps but IMO i dont think this is the clouds replacement.
looks more like generating cv stuff
nectarios
Anything with LEDs on sliders is fine by me SlayerBadger!

Looking forward to more info
rainlet
tomtomtron wrote:
rainlet wrote:
tomtomtron wrote:
woah

and on the left side is the other one! maybe marbles? but definitely the oct`15 Facebook Teaser module


Oh yeah! I see a clock input and controls for Bias, Jitter and Spread. I'd assume this might be the Clouds replacement?


and control for steps but IMO i dont think this is the clouds replacement.
looks more like generating cv stuff

Maybe we're talking about different things? Stages has the sliders and is more clear in the picture. But if you look at the image on Marcus Fischer's IG you can see another Mutable module next to Stages. I think Stages will be a envelope/sequence type thing, and that other one (Marbles?) might be the Clouds replacement.

starthief wrote:
This amused me Mr. Green

Haha, I hadn't thought of that. I guess it's good that I like Clouds![/quote]
wildfrontiers
*computer, enhance*
tomtomtron
rainlet wrote:
tomtomtron wrote:
rainlet wrote:
tomtomtron wrote:
woah

and on the left side is the other one! maybe marbles? but definitely the oct`15 Facebook Teaser module


Oh yeah! I see a clock input and controls for Bias, Jitter and Spread. I'd assume this might be the Clouds replacement?


and control for steps but IMO i dont think this is the clouds replacement.
looks more like generating cv stuff

Maybe we're talking about different things? Stages has the sliders and is more clear in the picture. But if you look at the image on Marcus Fischer's IG you can see another Mutable module next to Stages. I think Stages will be a envelope/sequence type thing, and that other one (Marbles?) might be the Clouds replacement.

starthief wrote:
This amused me Mr. Green

Haha, I hadn't thought of that. I guess it's good that I like Clouds!
[/quote]

Talking abou "marbles?" smile

Dtages is definitely some lfo/envelope or more stuff
soundslikejoe
Seems too "classic concept" for Mutable. Not buying the leak.
captjrab
euromorcego wrote:
rainlet wrote:
Would love to know where you got your information, unless it's speculation?

looks like its a reflection on richard devines glasses.

Lol screaming goo yo
Hovercraft
Stages looks like an envelope/cv generator. Six sliders--with buttons over each--I wonder if it works a bit like voltage block. Press a button to choose one of six channels, and use the sliders to adjust each of six segments. Maybe it also runs at audio rate.
ludotex
soundslikejoe wrote:
Seems too "classic concept" for Mutable. Not buying the leak.


Well Peaks need a replacement and we ve seen that green slider on Erstlaub video of Plaits so...

I am looking at buying Frames but I am going to wait for more info on this.

Btw maybe it's named Mirages lol
Shledge
Don't think it's a replacement for frames - it's still in production. It's likely a complex function generator.
Zymos
I assume this is what we saw next to Plaits in its first demos.
glassofwater
soundslikejoe wrote:
Seems too "classic concept" for Mutable. Not buying the leak.


Veils
digable-me
soundslikejoe wrote:
Seems too "classic concept" for Mutable. Not buying the leak.


You can always bet on Mutable taking a classic concept in a totally new direction.
Yloopz
Hovercraft wrote:
Stages looks like an envelope/cv generator. Six sliders--with buttons over each--I wonder if it works a bit like voltage block. Press a button to choose one of six channels, and use the sliders to adjust each of six segments. Maybe it also runs at audio rate.


That is what I was thinking... or maybe I hope it is...
Bob Borries
Can't make out the bottom half.

greenanother
Bob Borries wrote:
Can't make out the bottom half.



Nice mock up! All the goodies might be on the bottom (EOR, EOC, OR, etc.). What do you think; 14hp?

EDIT: Actually looks like potentiometers rather than jacks below.
gonkulator
It's a dessert topping
Muse FTW
Very exciting to finally see it - even a snippet.

This seems like much more than a "Peaks replacement" which makes me even more excited for Marbles.
meska
lol lol
gonkulator wrote:
It's a dessert topping
Trebbers
Really looks promising. There is def. a need in my rack for a complex envelope generator. I've been pondering something like the WMD Multimode Envelope or (much less likely) Control Forge, but this might scratch that itch.
damase
Very exciting. I hope it heirs more towards a simpler/less menu driven control forge as opposed to voltage block. It feels like the new mutable stuff has been steered towards immediacy and clarity which i did not find on VB from the programming-workflow standpoint
Zymos
I was thinking about Control Forge too. Though to me, one of that module's strengths is all the information in the display and being able to set precise values. Which is not the direction MI is heading, obviously.
kbithecrowing
This image was sourced from Reddit on a thread about marbles. Has 6 outputs, and stages has six sliders...

atrostor
kbithecrowing wrote:
This image was sourced from Reddit on a thread about marbles. Has 6 outputs, and stages has six sliders...



That image is from Mutable Instrument's Facebook page and is about three years old. It could still be a prototype in hibernation.

That Stages image tho! Leave it to the MW community to extract a reflection of an unreleased module... that's some detective work.
savethisrocketship
atrostor wrote:


That Stages image tho! Leave it to the MW community to extract a reflection of an unreleased module... that's some detective work.


I am simultaneously in awe of the level of fandom and a little bit creeped out by it... Taped Shut
Crimesofthecrown
So this is probably the reason why the site was down for a minute....
rainlet
I feel like this has to do more than just envelopes. In Lightbath's new video, it definitely sounds like he's sequencing stuff, and it's an all Mutable skiff. We know he has both of these new modules in there. Perhaps Stages does envelopes with the upper knobs and stage pitch with the sliders? Six steps is a strange choice for a sequencer though...
alanza
To offer a bit of counterpoint: Lightbath could easily be sequencing pitch by way of Yarns without breaking the all-Mutable. I don't THINK he is though.
bobbcorr
The round thing at the bottom looks like a trackball.

Bachelard
I'm thinking along the lines of Verbos Multi-stage-type thing (if mainly because of the sliders), in which case it could be anything from a function generator to a sequencer, to complex oscillator if it can be clocked at audio-rate?
Audiodog
Has there been any hints on launch dates for teh new modules other than 'later this year'?
jicamasalad
wildfrontiers wrote:
*computer, enhance*


Don't be coy Mr. Beny! You probably HAVE both of those in your rig and have used them on your two latest releases!

;-)
blacklight
Bob Borries wrote:
Can't make out the bottom half.



Considering the name I think it might me a 6 step cv sequencer, the bottom might have the additional "interesting" features we look for from mutable, could also be a vocoder/graphic eq, or the most complex envelope ever.
greenanother
bobbcorr wrote:
The round thing at the bottom looks like a trackball.



If you look at the original instagram pic, that sphere looks to be an overlay of some eq module knob. Would be interesting if someone would implement a trackball though...

ldd23
My guess is this is the Peaks replacement. Works for an envelope generator or a sequencer. An envelope is just a fast sequence with interpolation between points, right?
cliffemu
bobbcorr wrote:
The round thing at the bottom looks like a trackball.



?
JohnLRice
greenanother wrote:
If you look at the original instagram pic, that sphere looks to be an overlay of some eq module knob.
Agreed. PShopped a bit it looks like this:
Hovercraft
The large round object is either a reflection, or a small CRT screen that takes advantage of multi-dimensional anomalies to display any theatrical stage from the earth's past or future history. Watch an original performance of a Shakespeare play at the Old Globe Theater, or a Broadway all-robot revival of Cats! in 2225 New York.
blacklight
Hovercraft wrote:
The large round object is either a reflection, or a small CRT screen that takes advantage of multi-dimensional anomalies to display any theatrical stage from the earth's past or future history. Watch an original performance of a Shakespeare play at the Old Globe Theater, or a Broadway all-robot revival of Cats! in 2225 New York.


Probably hihi
dooj88
my dad used to work for metasonix and he said tony rolando only uses stages in his buchla rig but he's a bit trepidatious because it's not through hole and all smt sound like crap
cliffemu
dooj88 wrote:
my dad used to work for metasonix and he said tony rolando only uses stages in his buchla rig but he's a bit trepidatious because it's not through hole and all smt sound like crap

Lol hihi
strangegravity
That knob appears to be a part of the top layer to me, and not the MI module.
tomtomtron
strangegravity wrote:
That knob appears to be a part of the top layer to me, and not the MI module.


yep, i think so too! this picture is a mash up of different pictures. the big knob is from an other layer as strangegravity mentioned
Batik Rhys
This is some top-drawer speculation applause
greenanother
Batik Rhys wrote:
This is some top-drawer speculation applause


Ha! Yeah...feels like the forum at Elektronauts right before any new release (well, maybe not that bad). hihi
bobbcorr
strangegravity wrote:
That knob appears to be a part of the top layer to me, and not the MI module.


Aww, guys, can't a fellow dream?

(stares at inkblot and sees dragons)
rishin
damase wrote:
Very exciting. I hope it heirs more towards a simpler/less menu driven control forge as opposed to voltage block. It feels like the new mutable stuff has been steered towards immediacy and clarity which i did not find on VB from the programming-workflow standpoint


A non-menu-driven Control Forge seems too good to be true, but I wanna see Olivier prove me wrong hihi
paranoidmoonduck
damase wrote:
Very exciting. I hope it heirs more towards a simpler/less menu driven control forge as opposed to voltage block. It feels like the new mutable stuff has been steered towards immediacy and clarity which i did not find on VB from the programming-workflow standpoint


That would be pretty perfect, if true.
jburzy
I don't really get what this could be...I was expecting 6x ENV/LFO like Just Friends, but do people think it is more of a single complex (6-stage) envelope generator?
Hovercraft
jburzy wrote:
I don't really get what this could be...I was expecting 6x ENV/LFO like Just Friends, but do people think it is more of a single complex (6-stage) envelope generator?


I think it's a six channel, six stage function generator. It seems unlikely that it would be one channel--Peaks has two channels, and this is bigger.
Funky40
Hovercraft wrote:

I think it's a six channel, six stage function generator.

this would be awesome,
but it would run against the "what you see is what you get" rule.
me thinks that Olivier will follow this path more than not.

i also think it will have 6 "functions" in parallel, one per out,
but i´d guess its only one 6 stage envelope. more like: one or the others, 1 fat vs. 6 small ones. just a guess.

well, i think it will be much more. i expect the unexpected to happen.
Olivier made his hints in that direction, saying that plaits was the least surprsising one of all the new ones.
isol
How about switchable between 6 single functions out, 2 three stage or 1 6 stage function?
isol
Actually, it makes more sense to have functions in divisions of six:
6x1 out
3x2 out
2x3 out
1x6 out
nectarios
isol wrote:
Actually, it makes more sense to have functions in divisions of six:
6x1 out
3x2 out
2x3 out
1x6 out


That would be ideal.
Funky40
nectarios wrote:
isol wrote:
Actually, it makes more sense to have functions in divisions of six:
6x1 out
3x2 out
2x3 out
1x6 out


That would be ideal.

yeah, and such model would also suit the surprise factor nicely.
will be interesting to see what it finally is
hermbot
Funky40 wrote:
nectarios wrote:
isol wrote:
Actually, it makes more sense to have functions in divisions of six:
6x1 out
3x2 out
2x3 out
1x6 out


That would be ideal.

yeah, and such model would also suit the surprise factor nicely.
will be interesting to see what it finally is


If there are six jacks at the bottom, it would be pretty intuitive / straightforward if inserting a jack into the output "breaks" the division. So if you put a cable in every other jack, you have 3x2. Put only one cable in the last jack and it's 1x6, etc. That's how the Veils is wired up as far as sub-mixes.
strangegravity
My bet is a function generator. Those shape knobs could sweep through log vs linear.
void23
Funky40 wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:

I think it's a six channel, six stage function generator.

this would be awesome,
but it would run against the "what you see is what you get" rule.
me thinks that Olivier will follow this path more than not.

i also think it will have 6 "functions" in parallel, one per out,
but i´d guess its only one 6 stage envelope. more like: one or the others, 1 fat vs. 6 small ones. just a guess.

well, i think it will be much more. i expect the unexpected to happen.
Olivier made his hints in that direction, saying that plaits was the least surprsising one of all the new ones.


Reading through all this and not picking on this comment specifically, but there's already a Mutable module that does what a lot of you are speculating about, it's called Frames.
Hovercraft
void23 wrote:


Reading through all this and not picking on this comment specifically, but there's already a Mutable module that does what a lot of you are speculating about, it's called Frames.


I don't have Frames, but isn't the core a four channel VCA? It also seems like you can generate a bunch of key frames, and there's no easy way of viewing, editing, or changing segments on the fly. If Stages is replacing Peaks, it's fundamentally going to be an envelope generator, but Olivier isn't going to release a vanilla EG. I guessed six by six because I think it could have a simple and logical interface given the buttons and sliders, and I expect it to be an impressive design.
anosou
Someone said mini-MARF somewhere, I like that thought. Arbitrary function generator. Six is a surprisingly neat number in that case. Enough for sequences, odd or even, and complex envelopes.
anosou
Bob Borries wrote:
Can't make out the bottom half.



It's highly likely the bottom is three rows of six sockets. See this picture from what is likely the same module where you can see three rows of sockets under the slider:

anosou
oops double post
alanza
the top two rows of the six have multiple input jacks for one label, and the rightmost output jack is labeled with a Devenagari 5... HMMMM....
anosou
alanza wrote:
the top two rows of the six have multiple input jacks for one label, and the rightmost output jack is labeled with a Devenagari 5... HMMMM....


It's a 6, not a 5: http://veda.wikidot.com/sanskrit-numbers

Also you can see in the original image that the top row is labeled something on T, right? Trigger? Time? So one row of T, one row of something, one row of individual outs.
alanza
OH WILD, I didn't count correctly since the previous one looked like a 4 and the next one a 6... oops
Benoua
True detective at work ! Thanks guy
anosou
Benoua wrote:
True detective at work ! Thanks guy


I get very excited about this kind of fanatical user stuff. I work at Propellerhead and I've seen our users doing this with us for year and years (and I did before I worked here). For a while, we even purposely leaked hints. oops
Yloopz
I can see black dots inbetween slider 3 and 4...
Funky40
anosou wrote:

It's highly likely the bottom is three rows of six sockets. See this picture from what is likely the same module where you can see three rows of sockets under the slider:


huh, convinced, hehe
thumbs up



void23 wrote:
......... but there's already a Mutable module that does what a lot of you are speculating about, it's called Frames.

i know what you mean wink but i for my one have to disagree here. Vehemently.
i have a Frames btw.

To me, Frames is not in a situation that "it does", more precisely its: "it can do".
this is not the same.
Frames is quite powerful and at the same time at least for me totally unintuitiv to set up.
its not your envelope or function generator that sits there and is ready to use as is.........
Bjarlstedt
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....
anosou
Bjarlstedt wrote:
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....


Doubt that's stages. That sounds more like pitch jitter in a Clouds-replacement. One leak of not-Stages showed a parameter called "jitter". Pretty normal control in the granular world.
Bjarlstedt
anosou wrote:
Bjarlstedt wrote:
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....


Doubt that's stages. That sounds more like pitch jitter in a Clouds-replacement. One leak of not-Stages showed a parameter called "jitter". Pretty normal control in the granular world.


Yeah, there are too many of these ”wonder what Olivier is up to threads” so I just posted this is the one that was nearby. But this doesn’t sound too granular to me though. More like random sequencing. Wasn’t there a thread about that too?
anosou
Bjarlstedt wrote:
anosou wrote:
Bjarlstedt wrote:
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....


Doubt that's stages. That sounds more like pitch jitter in a Clouds-replacement. One leak of not-Stages showed a parameter called "jitter". Pretty normal control in the granular world.


Yeah, there are too many of these ”wonder what Olivier is up to threads” so I just posted this is the one that was nearby. But this doesn’t sound too granular to me though. More like random sequencing. Wasn’t there a thread about that too?


I do believe it's granular. There's often a setting for pitch variation on a per grain setting, it kind of applies a random offset to pitch. On low values it creates a detune-ish effect, with high values every grain gets a completely randomized pitch and it tends to sound like what was in that video. smile
anosou
OK, you were right.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg3Vd0mBglZ/?taken-by=mutableinstruments
alanza
the latest Instagram makes me think this one's a quantizer...
anosou
alanza wrote:
the latest Instagram makes me think this one's a quantizer...


That's an interesting thought! Could also be an actual sequencer, which Olivier hasn't done. Always wondered how he'd tackle a melody generator. Or maybe a random voltage generator with optional quantization. Imagination runs wild...
Bjarlstedt
I have no idea really. I’m just a lekman (as we say in Sweden).
alanza
Bjarlstedt wrote:
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....


I'm pretty sure in this video the thing we are listening to is not an audio output of the new module per se, but one of Olivier's tricks that lets him determine the CPU usage of various parts of his module code by analyzing a pulse wave! ... I have done TOO MUCH trawling the MI forum the past few weeks...

edit: or at least... that's what I think is on the scope. I'd allow the audio could be the module itself
Keltie
anosou wrote:
alanza wrote:
the latest Instagram makes me think this one's a quantizer...


That's an interesting thought! Could also be an actual sequencer, which Olivier hasn't done. Always wondered how he'd tackle a melody generator.


I don't think "stages" is a likely name for a quantiser, although perhaps "scales" is too obvious. My money is on an EG/stepped LFO / modulator of some sort. Perhaps a sequencer, although the name seems odd. ( although "steps" would be too obvious too?)

Olivier has a very clever, and coherent strategy here, IMO. No vaporware, no hype train. Just the release. We do all of his hype for him ( no disrespect intended, its an honest, open and straightforward strategy, that I think must be working very well for him!)
alanza
The module in this video, it's worth pointing out, is definitely not the Stages we've been speculating about! No sliders in sight you know
dooj88
alanza wrote:
The module in this video, it's worth pointing out, is definitely not the Stages we've been speculating about! No sliders in sight you know


yeah i think this is the marbles one from 2015. in his facebook video he's got some jittery sequence going. i wonder if olivier's being tricksy by saying he's releasing the 3 spiritual successors to the discontinued modules, but neglected to mention brand new designs.
Funky40
Bjarlstedt wrote:
http://instagram.com/p/Bg3FnvmhRH1/

hmmm.....

the more important part:
Quote:
mutableinstruments:
Last CPU usage checks and gremlins tests before release...


thats a clear statement wink lol
cliffemu
^does that mean he hasn’t ordered the production manufacturing run yet? Would cpu usage really be a qa test on final modules?
alanza
good question!
uniquepersonno2
alanza wrote:
good question!


Didn't he say the hardware was finished a few years ago? CPU usage testing could be for firmware so we may see it soon.
alanza
oh you're right you're right, if the CPU usage is unacceptable in this check it would be a programming change to fix it, not hardware, so the possibility for a wait on account of manufacturing lead time seems less likely.
REVIVER
cliffemu wrote:
^does that mean he hasn’t ordered the production manufacturing run yet? Would cpu usage really be a qa test on final modules?


Olivier posted an image on Facebook this past October of a purchase order for 500 units of something called "Marbles v7.0"....so yeah, I'd say that's the initial production run of this module...

Paranormal Patroler
anosou wrote:
alanza wrote:
the latest Instagram makes me think this one's a quantizer...


That's an interesting thought! Could also be an actual sequencer, which Olivier hasn't done. Always wondered how he'd tackle a melody generator. Or maybe a random voltage generator with optional quantization. Imagination runs wild...


That's indeed interesting!
Muse FTW
Marbles (software) is done. woah woah woah woah

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg3ri4DhoIx/?taken-by=mutableinstruments
pichenettes
cliffemu wrote:
^does that mean he hasn’t ordered the production manufacturing run yet? Would cpu usage really be a qa test on final modules?


I put a last minute change in the firmware and checked that the extra complexity in the code did not completely fill the CPU or caused unacceptable latency. We're good!
uniquepersonno2
pichenettes wrote:
cliffemu wrote:
^does that mean he hasn’t ordered the production manufacturing run yet? Would cpu usage really be a qa test on final modules?


I put a last minute change in the firmware and checked that the extra complexity in the code did not completely fill the CPU or caused unacceptable latency. We're good!


Awesome! Do we have a release date?
pichenettes
We never have a release date.
uniquepersonno2
pichenettes wrote:
We never have a release date.


Fair applause
Geaux
Hah, as always the release date is when its in stores. Excited to see what this module brings applause
blinosynth
i am really curious on marble (and stage) we need some random - cv - lfo - sequencer ---- whatever it is .
hihi
mutable always overwhelmed me hyper
Funky40
what was peaks ?
a LFO, a ADSR , a random CV , Drums............
screw the drums. Ahh wait, No. Stages has 6 (guessed) outs , it could also make for a whole drumbox lol



me: hyper hyper help granular help hyper hyper
gonkulator
pichenettes wrote:
We never have a release date.


love love love

That's why I have a "Mutable New Module Contingency Fund," 'cause ya never know...
thsc0036
Stages just got leaked in a youtube video, but the creator asked me to delete the image. Is it possible to delete this post?
desolationjones
But it's too late,
alanza
of the modules to guess everything from seeing the front panel... Stages might be tricky! Looks like broadly speaking our guesses were right, but the sauce will be in the details of the implementation which are as yet unclear.
desolationjones
Considering 6 gate inputs and 6 outputs, I'd assume one function is a 6-channel envelope generator with shape controls. Seems like it may also work with trigger inputs considering the shape control lists "shape / time". But there's probably something more to it which gives it that special MI flavor.

EDIT: The buttons for each channel probably let you dial in a shape using the 6 sliders with shape controls for each stage. I don't know how the stages would interact with a gate (which of the 6 stages would be the sustain stage?) but triggers could advance through each stage for each channel.
nectarios
The leaked image suggests this ^^
But waiting for full details anyway.
wazz
There are some leaked images on Reddit ... just saying :)
mateo
Funky40 wrote:
what was peaks ?
a LFO, a ADSR , a random CV , Drums............
screw the drums. Ahh wait, No. Stages has 6 (guessed) outs , it could also make for a whole drumbox


I think the drum modes in Plaits are the replacement for Peaks' drums, and Marbles does the random cv, so I would imagine this is more focused on the envelopes and hopefully sequencing!
subdo
REDACTED
alanza
subdo the image was here earlier, but was taken down at erstlaub's request. Maybe let's leave it over on Reddit?
subdo
alanza wrote:
subdo the image was here earlier, but was taken down at erstlaub's request. Maybe let's leave it over on Reddit?


fair enough. It's not hard to find at this point.
alanza
Thaaaaanks thumbs up

Seriously though, if this thing does all the things I think it does, the interface design must have been a hell of a puzzle
kay_k
i have the weird feeling that the work on one of our future modules can be abandoned once stages is out... will see, more time for the other ideas then.
(well we don't know what it is really)
Funky40
mateo wrote:

I think the drum modes in Plaits are the replacement for Peaks' drums, and Marbles does the random cv, so I would imagine this is more focused on the envelopes and hopefully sequencing!

i totally think the same. it was a joke with a lol behind it wink

i like how the Drum sounds are "arranged" within plaits. btw.
the acess to it makes so much more out of it vs. Peaks

no clue on marbles tough.
but i think it would be a very good thing if the envelope module would just do this: envelopes.
incl. cycling up to audio rate ofcourse/hopefully Guinness ftw!
uniquepersonno2
https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/marbles/
REVIVER
uniquepersonno2 wrote:
https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/marbles/


Wrong thread? hmmm.....
rishin
Might get rid of my Maths if this thing something akin to a six channel complex function generator.
Bjarlstedt
Sorry if this already has been posted but I haven’t seen any decent pics of this thing yet. Just stumbled across this little bugger over at Instagram.

*Picture*
Paranormal Patroler
[quote="Bjarlstedt"]Sorry if this already has been posted but I haven’t seen any decent pics of this thing yet. Just stumbled across this little bugger over at Instagram.

Seems like it has normalization of each stage end to the next. Would make for a very simple, yet very powerful module. Definitely interested.
MATSmile
I updated op. What was once in the public domain now belongs to the public domain.
mateo
That looks brilliant and I think I want two
Paranormal Patroler
I really wonder if this can be utilized as a straight 6 step sequencer. Seems like the orange option is fitting for that purpose.

Not sure if the normalization is true. I absolutely love the way the CV input for each stage is so cleverly mapped to different parameters depending on the status of each stage. Makes absolute sense! love

Congratulations Mutable. You have another winner!
Dragonaut
If this is envelopes, lfos, and offsets then it is oddly exactly what I'm looking for. What would be the closest thing to compete with that? A quaddra?
duck1887
Dragonaut wrote:
If this is envelopes, lfos, and offsets then it is oddly exactly what I'm looking for. What would be the closest thing to compete with that? A quaddra?

I find that I am reminded of a Verbos Multistage, what with it being (I guess) either a multistage envelope or a sequencer (as well as who knows what else).
Muse FTW
Dragonaut wrote:
If this is envelopes, lfos, and offsets then it is oddly exactly what I'm looking for. What would be the closest thing to compete with that? A quaddra?


Maybe Just Friends? Hard to say until we know what this does exactly, really.
aroom
Muse FTW wrote:
Dragonaut wrote:
If this is envelopes, lfos, and offsets then it is oddly exactly what I'm looking for. What would be the closest thing to compete with that? A quaddra?


Maybe Just Friends? Hard to say until we know what this does exactly, really.


Just Friends would be perfect as an envelop if we could change the slew time from every identity, or even spread it. IIRC, the only thing that can be spread with intone, is time related, not changing the curve.

Stages looks amazing. Like a more immediate Control Forge, with individual trigger inputs. It seems like the perfect envelop generator.
Dragonaut
aroom wrote:
Muse FTW wrote:
Dragonaut wrote:
If this is envelopes, lfos, and offsets then it is oddly exactly what I'm looking for. What would be the closest thing to compete with that? A quaddra?


Maybe Just Friends? Hard to say until we know what this does exactly, really.


Just Friends would be perfect as an envelop if we could change the slew time from every identity, or even spread it. IIRC, the only thing that can be spread with intone, is time related, not changing the curve.

Stages looks amazing. Like a more immediate Control Forge, with individual trigger inputs. It seems like the perfect envelop generator.


That's essentially what I'm thinking. The triggers for each different segment being a key departure from Just Friends if I'm not mistaken. Ill have to look at the multistage.
aroom
Dragonaut wrote:
The triggers for each different segment being a key departure from Just Friends if I'm not mistaken.


I don't know if I understood you correctly, but Just Friends has triggers inputs for every outputs, but you'll get the same rise-fall envelop for all of them.

Or maybe I don't know how to use my JF
djthopa
Now this one really calls my interest!
behndy
so it's okay to post pics now? it's nice to see what it will be, but don't want to dick-hand Olivier and his wishes?

that saiiiiiiid.... what's it look like HP-Wise? 14? 18?
anosou
behndy wrote:
so it's okay to post pics now? it's nice to see what it will be, but don't want to dick-hand Olivier and his wishes?

that saiiiiiiid.... what's it look like HP-Wise? 14? 18?


If you want to be a nice person, you probably shouldn't post pics of leaks that have been adressed. razz
uniquepersonno2
behndy wrote:
so it's okay to post pics now? it's nice to see what it will be, but don't want to dick-hand Olivier and his wishes?

that saiiiiiiid.... what's it look like HP-Wise? 14? 18?


It looks like 14 to me.
Paranormal Patroler
anosou wrote:
behndy wrote:
so it's okay to post pics now? it's nice to see what it will be, but don't want to dick-hand Olivier and his wishes?

that saiiiiiiid.... what's it look like HP-Wise? 14? 18?


If you want to be a nice person, you probably shouldn't post pics of leaks that have been adressed. razz


Oh crap! Didn't realize there was a leak zombie
Dragonaut
aroom wrote:
Dragonaut wrote:
The triggers for each different segment being a key departure from Just Friends if I'm not mistaken.


I don't know if I understood you correctly, but Just Friends has triggers inputs for every outputs, but you'll get the same rise-fall envelop for all of them.

Or maybe I don't know how to use my JF


Nope, that's my bad. Still don't fully understand that module. Seems I could probably just go with an AD/LFO by malekko for what I'm looking for but this looks like it would a little more flexible. IF it does what I think it does, heh.
ludotex
I wonder if that's what it outputs Mr. Green

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/
CaptainRockout
I can't wait to find out what it does. That last video makes me wonder if the six stages are actually independent function generators that can either be one shot envelopes, a period of cycling, or some crazy combination of things, but you can go through the stages sequentially and also influence how long each stage lasts. I'm sure I'm not even close, but one thing's for sure, I'll probably end up buying it right away just like Plaits and Marbles applause
Zymos
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
anosou wrote:
behndy wrote:
so it's okay to post pics now? it's nice to see what it will be, but don't want to dick-hand Olivier and his wishes?

that saiiiiiiid.... what's it look like HP-Wise? 14? 18?


If you want to be a nice person, you probably shouldn't post pics of leaks that have been adressed. razz


Oh crap! Didn't realize there was a leak zombie


There's a clear picture on the Marbles thread started by Olivier on Mutable's own FB page- if he didn't want anyone to see it, he'd surely just delete it.
Paranormal Patroler
Well, I already deleted the photo off my post. No harm done anyway, I mean, the cat is out of the bag more or less.

Once again, from the look of it, it seems that the module can be six independent ADs/LFOs. If I understand the UI correctly, you can set each stage as an LFO (black loop), an Attack (rising curve), a step voltage (orange steps), or a Sustain (red level).

I assume that the end of each stage is tied to the next, so if the input is not plugged they fire consecutively. That way you can have a multistage envelope, or smaller parts. Sliders for value, knobs for shape/time, depending on parameter.

Each output taps to the envelope, and outputs the mix of the stages that haven't been output before. Like a better a-143-1, without the comparator options.

That's my interpretation anyway!

One innovation that I'm hoping for, again based on the UI, is that Sustain is time dependant. As we all know in most envelopes the Sustain is based on the incoming gate duration. I always wanted an envelope with two parameters for Sustain: Level and Time. If you look at the photo the red (burdeau) sustain option on the button, is a Time parameter on the knobs. So here's hoping.
Chopper
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Well, I already deleted the photo off my post. No harm done anyway, I mean, the cat is out of the bag more or less.

Once again, from the look of it, it seems that the module can be six independent ADs/LFOs. If I understand the UI correctly, you can set each stage as an LFO (black loop), an Attack (rising curve), a step voltage (orange steps), or a Sustain (red level).

I assume that the end of each stage is tied to the next, so if the input is not plugged they fire consecutively. That way you can have a multistage envelope, or smaller parts. Sliders for value, knobs for shape/time, depending on parameter.

Each output taps to the envelope, and outputs the mix of the stages that haven't been output before. Like a better a-143-1, without the comparator options.

That's my interpretation anyway!

The comparaison with the doepfer A-143-1 seems pretty accurate.
I was about to put mine for sale as i saw that leaked STAGES picture oops
mateo
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Once again, from the look of it, it seems that the module can be six independent ADs/LFOs. If I understand the UI correctly, you can set each stage as an LFO (black loop), an Attack (rising curve), a step voltage (orange steps), or a Sustain (red level).

I assume that the end of each stage is tied to the next, so if the input is not plugged they fire consecutively. That way you can have a multistage envelope, or smaller parts. Sliders for value, knobs for shape/time, depending on parameter.


That seems, likely, although it's not clear black loop represents a mode distinct from the others, given that it's slightly further from the other labels and there's no black legending on Shape/Time or Time/Level sections. Perhaps it's a long press that loops the other modes?

Paranormal Patroler wrote:

One innovation that I'm hoping for, again based on the UI, is that Sustain is time dependant. As we all know in most envelopes the Sustain is based on the incoming gate duration. I always wanted an envelope with two parameters for Sustain: Level and Time. If you look at the photo the red (burdeau) sustain option on the button, is a Time parameter on the knobs. So here's hoping.


That seems likely, esp since it means one could have multiple sustain parts to you envelope. What I'm curious about is how gates will work in sequence mode, if that's what the orange is? Subsequent gates advance to the next step? Lots of questions still!
pichenettes
Zymos wrote:
There's a clear picture on the Marbles thread started by Olivier on Mutable's own FB page- if he didn't want anyone to see it, he'd surely just delete it.


Hmmm no. I would certainly not publish a picture of a module not manufactured yet and not at a stage where it's ready to ship to dealers.
Zymos
I didn't say you published it, but there it is, on your company's page, for 2 days now...
pichenettes
Where? I don't see it.
anosou
pichenettes wrote:
Where? I don't see it.


https://www.facebook.com/mutable.instruments/posts/1601784269936307?co mment_id=1601833103264757&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D

Should be easy enough to remove smile
pichenettes
Mmmm... I had clicked on hide and thought I was still seeing it but that it would be invisible to others.
Zymos
Figured that was tacit acceptance of its being out there, I understand now that was not intentional.
uniquepersonno2
pichenettes wrote:
Mmmm... I had clicked on hide and thought I was still seeing it but that it would be invisible to others.


I think it's gone now. User friendly, facebook is not.
greenanother
ludotex wrote:
I wonder if that's what it outputs Mr. Green

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/


Didn’t think waveforms could make a man excited, but... MY ASS IS BLEEDING
hawkfuzz
I think 14hp is a safe bet yeah?
Illiac
hawkfuzz wrote:
I think 14hp is a safe bet yeah?


yeah
mateo
greenanother wrote:
ludotex wrote:
I wonder if that's what it outputs Mr. Green

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/


Didn’t think waveforms could make a man excited, but... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


Yeah color me super intrigued!
Paranormal Patroler
I wonder when this will come out.
DonKartofflo
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
I wonder when this will come out.


My guess is the time interval between plaits and marbles will be similar as between marbles and stages
indigoid
So this looks like fun but but I have to wonder if any of the people saying this is an A-143-1 replacement have actually owned/used an A-143-1... Where's the attenuverting mixer? Or the comparators?
crossinger
Pity that the Rockstar of Eurorack (is he then a "Rackstar"?) doesn't attend as exhibitor @Superbooth. waah
listentoaheartbeat
greenanother wrote:
ludotex wrote:
I wonder if that's what it outputs Mr. Green

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/


Didn’t think waveforms could make a man excited, but... MY ASS IS BLEEDING


Looks like the Performer in Massive. A gestural sequencer, where you can step through various envelopes that also vary in intensity.
Paranormal Patroler
indigoid wrote:
So this looks like fun but but I have to wonder if any of the people saying this is an A-143-1 replacement have actually owned/used an A-143-1... Where's the attenuverting mixer? Or the comparators?


If you read my post you would've seen I said it looks like an a-143-1 without the comparators. If each stage EOC fires the next and you can set the time intervals between, then you might get the same effect. It's guesswork at this point.

And yes, I own both a-143-1 and a-143-2, so I guess I can compare. They're not going anywhere, they're fantastic modules.
Nevermindthebollocks
check out this, guys:
link removed
0netwo0netwo
NOTHING THERE cool
pichenettes
x x x x x
0netwo0netwo
seriously, i just don't get it thumbs up

Well that was fun, whatever that was LOL

have a nice day Olivier!
pichenettes
Oh god yes... If they hadn't removed it, I would have been forced to release it on my site, and then spend the night answering emails.

It's imminent... But not until I get more of those shipped to the next dealers in the queue.
Nevermindthebollocks
sorry, was maybe uncool to post if it was published accidently. removed the pic. it looked envelopy...
0netwo0netwo
d'oh!

he asked you nicely to not post that

aye uh! very frustrating
Paranormal Patroler
Switched? hmmm..... Some stuff through me off track. I thought I had figured out the UI.

Edit

I guess there was a loss in translation. Oh well, waiting for the manual to come out. Mr. Green
jburzy
ugh i always miss the leaks !
naturarerum
la tension est palpable It's peanut butter jelly time!
MrNovember
What's up with Error Instruments saying new Mutable tomorrow with a glitched out Stages picture. That can't be right can it?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1964926140247210&id=486908 161382356
Jaypee
ahhh! the page was deleted on https://funkyjunk.it !

the whole description was there too. Should have copied it! d'oh!
jicamasalad
I'm as excited as the next person for more new MI modules, not to mention rumblings of new Roland System 500 offerings, which have shown up on nearby Muffs threads.

But let's all try to focus our excitement a little, and allow Olivier to do another one of his incredibly professional roll-outs.

Maybe we should all take this pent-up nervous energy and go to our instruments and compose something? I could propose a "What I Wrote While Waiting for New Mutables" thread...

A lot of jittery high-energy music I 'd expect!
boom blip
edit: find it yourself, don't want to rain on the reveal parade.
accidental reveal?
jicamasalad
boom blip wrote:
https://www.errorinstruments.com/a-52160170/mutable-instruments/new-st ages/

accidental reveal?


My guess is this is exactly what Olivier would rather not spend his whole night answering emails about...
grep
It’s tomorrow in the Netherlands.
Muse FTW
Well, sign me the hell up for this.
kamindustries
I love the patchability and clean design, and the 6 ins mirroring Marbles' outs is very elegant. Instant buy from me.
jburzy
damn cat's out of the bag !
jburzy
€299,00 though? a bit steeper than I was hoping...(assuming that's a real price)
jicamasalad
jburzy wrote:
€299,00 though? a bit steeper than I was hoping...(assuming that's a real price)


...and the Muffs complaining begins!

It's not even released yet!

As they sang in "Hamilton", "You will never be satisfied..."

seriously, i just don't get it
0netwo0netwo
there is always going to be complainers, its a given

i think it looks pretty awesome and i believe it is worth whatever the company feels its worth, right?? i mean c'mon man - i cant build/design any of this ish - i can hardly use it properly.

they create it out of thin air

and then you either buy it or you dont, stop complaining

plus i think that price is including import fees most likely because i saw a different price earlier

i also read it saying that you can connect up to six of them together, lol
that would be one crazy ass row Dead Banana
Paranormal Patroler
The Italian site was incomplete in its description anyway. I've also be thinking about self-patcability on this one. One output, connected to a non-sequential input etc.

It's going to be very interesting. Once again, props to papernoise for what looks like the cleanest design for MI yet. And by cleanest I mean most pristine! UI at its finest.

Edit

Just read the description woah Wowzers!
Chopper
I really like how the whole MI range really starts to fit together.... as mentioned, this next to Marbles, or plaits.... cross patched with tides..... or frames...
There is a lot of thought that went into this for sure. Can't wait to put my hands on it.


Anybody wants to buy my a-143-1?
pichenettes
Oh god what a terrible way of starting the day!
johny_gtr
I'm getting used to ordering one new MI module per month SlayerBadger!
InteBra
Marbles has had a few short nice in action videos. Would like to see some of Stages as well.
naturarerum
come on, let's shut down that leak and not ruin Olivier's day, please :(
Timmy
pichenettes wrote:
Oh god what a terrible way of starting the day!


It is Friday 13th... and they're not called Error Instruments for nothing...
tomtomtron
I think it is a pity that retailers doesnt respect Olivier
jicamasalad
InteBra wrote:
Marbles has had a few short nice in action videos. Would like to see some of Stages as well.


But, my friend, it is not released yet.

Let's be patient and respect the wishes of the maker of these great instruments!

Please, folks, stand down from the leaks and let the guy run his company the way he intended.
InteBra
Totally agree. I'm not pushing for leaks. Just looking forward to videos, whenever they appear.
jicamasalad
InteBra wrote:
Totally agree. I'm not pushing for leaks. Just looking forward to videos, whenever they appear.


I'm with you!
tomtomtron
i think it's official now...

from FB:

"I made something new but it leaked... Shipped to dealers throughout next week. 299€."
https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/stages/
digidandy
Definitely official:

https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/stages/
pichenettes
jburzy wrote:
€299,00 though? a bit steeper than I was hoping...(assuming that's a real price)


Among my modules it's the most difficult to build because all the components are at the back (like Yarns but with more stuff) and very close to the pads for the sliders/jacks/pots/LEDs. More manual soldering or rework after the automated processes.

And long calibration/test time too - since it can potentially process/switch/delay V/OCT voltages, all inputs and outputs need to be calibrated. Coupled with the large volumes, this means the factory now has a sweet collection of DMM4020s.
nectarios
jburzy wrote:
€299,00 though? a bit steeper than I was hoping...(assuming that's a real price)

Not cheap, but I think this has more to do with me getting used to MI modules being on the cheap side of things, rather than Marbles or Stages being actually expensive.

I mean if you break Marbles down to simply a touring machine with some of Grid's functions on the gates and with a CV recorder that is also a quantizer, you reach its price very easily.

Can't say anything about Stages yet of course as I am only guessing half the stuff it does from the description and of course I would like it to be cheaper so I could get it straight away, but such is life.
Back on the ol' fence and waiting to see what it does, how it does it and see demos of this and whether they will be demos that will tip me over.
Summa
pichenettes wrote:
jburzy wrote:
€299,00 though? a bit steeper than I was hoping...(assuming that's a real price)


Among my modules it's the most difficult to build because all the components are at the back (like Yarns but with more stuff) and very close to the pads for the sliders/jacks/pots/LEDs. More manual soldering or rework after the automated processes.

And long calibration/test time too - since it can potentially process/switch/delay V/OCT voltages, all inputs and outputs need to be calibrated. Coupled with the large volumes, this means the factory now has a sweet collection of DMM4020s.



Congrats Olivier, It looks like another smash hit! The chaining (up to 6 Stages in a row) is simply brilliant..

check out the manual guys:

https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/stages/manual/
kamindustries
The price and functionality to me make it competitive with Maths. I know it's lacking the mixing/attenuverter stuff, but it may nonetheless have more "swiss army knife" tools in an easier to use format. Picking through the manual, I feel like this may be one of the most useful modules I've ever seen...

The zinger is being able to daisy chain six of them together without wasting patch cables in the process.... 84hp of Stages hoooo boy
digable-me
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"
nectarios
By reading the description and even though I never had an Omnimod, my assumption is that it can do some of the NI Massive perfomance page, complex LFO shapes, besides the other functions that are mentioned in the description.

Eagerly waiting for demos.
MossGarden
This looks special, very simple, clean interface but a very powerful cv generator. Never thought it would be chain-able either. superb
anosou
Yeah I'm gonna need one or two of this. Very smart design, especially what a single segment is capable of doing—love that LFOs can be clocked. I think it'll be pretty intuitive to patch up when you get used to patching right-to-left and how to group.

Happy I saved 14HP in my case! w00t
erstlaub


Here's my wee basic overview, sorry about the exposure on the video, it makes it hard to see the LEDs.
johny_gtr
Need to buy this one + one oscilloscope.
Bjarlstedt
erstlaub wrote:
Here's my wee basic overview, sorry about the exposure on the video, it makes it hard to see the LEDs.


Great! Love when those demos pops up.
Chozal
Was considering buying a maths end of april ... strong contender here for my 3u Ü
MossGarden
Matttech has them, i want this and to pair it with a Blinds. But I did not expect Marbles and Stages within the same month waah can't manage two biggies at once.
matttech
MossGarden wrote:
Matttech has them, i want this and to pair it with a Blinds. But I did not expect Marbles and Stages within the same month waah can't manage two biggies at once.



OH yeeeeaaah! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
kurodama
Not really a demo of Stages and definitely not a patch where I really "squeezed" a lot out of the module, but it's featured here so I'll post it anyway smile



All the percussion sounds come from an Octatrack, which sits outside of the shot. Starting from that percussive part I have sent some of the tracks from it to the modular using it to excite Rings (which makes the percussive bassline, filtered and shaped by Natural Gate) and to trigger some modulations on Stages. Marbles does the pattern for the Rings bassline and generates random ramps to modulate several parameters in the patch. Plaits generates the main drone, towards the end there’s an additional bass sequence somehow drowned in the drone which is sequenced via Teletype and played by Tides.
To give you some more detail about what Stages is doing: one channel just generates an offset voltage which I'm using to control a bunch of things among which Frames so I can do several things by just moving one slider (I know I could have done that with Frames as well, but it's a bit hard to reach where I have it now and I like to have the most important performance controls all close by). A couple of channels are being used as LFOs to control position on Rings and timbre on Tides. The last channel is used as an D envelope to control the cutoff of the Polivoks filter which I have used on the drone.
Heliophile
Can the module convert a short trigger into a gate of adjustable length? I wasn't sure after reading the manual.
pichenettes
Yes. You need one single HOLD segment for that. Gate voltage set with the slider, gate duration with the pot.
anosou
I'm assuming when using this as a X-step sequencer, external quantization is needed, right?

Also, how smart is the clock sync for a single stage LFO? Peaks TAP-smart or simply clocked if the clock is regular?
pichenettes
External quantization is needed.

The clock sync is smarter than Peaks but a bit less smart than Marbles (just because in the worst case it needs to be done on 6 channels simultaneously).
lisa
Cool! Seems a bit too clever for me but others will surely love it.
anosou
pichenettes wrote:
External quantization is needed.

The clock sync is smarter than Peaks but a bit less smart than Marbles (just because in the worst case it needs to be done on 6 channels simultaneously).


Thanks! I'm still going slightly mad thinking about all the applications. S&H and Sequential Switching tipped it over from "oh, awesome" to "say whaaat". eek!
matttech
tomtomtron wrote:
I think it is a pity that retailers doesnt respect Olivier


trust me, SOME of us do!

I never, EVER put a new module up on my site until Olivier either announces it on his site, or gives me the go ahead. really not sure what's so hard to understand about that

I was all ready for the proper release at 6pm french time tonight, and had to drive back to the office to put it online this morning after I found out it had been leaked! d'oh!

(but obviously checked the mutable site first, and saw that it was up on there too)
starthief
This has been my favorite of the three new Mutable modules. It's got so much going for it just from a few simple rules.

Envelopes, LFOs and sequences where any stage can be an LFO, a sequential switch, and can be timed or triggered and looped. Sample and hold, slew, bank of sliders for voltage offsets, CV delay, gate to trigger, all kinds of other stuff.

It also processes audio in fun lo-fi ways; some sample rate reduction is inherent but slew, delay, distortion through adding a DC offset with the slider are all possible and can combine in fun ways when you also patch audio into gate inputs...

Self-patching will get you things like envelopes with alternating times, quadrature LFOs, steppy envelopes, free-running sequences etc.

Also, because I predict somebody will ask, it does remember its settings on power down.

Comparing it to a Batumi or a Voltage Multistage in functionality puts the price in perspective I think smile
nectarios
starthief wrote:
This has been my favorite of the three new Mutable modules.

+1.
erstlaub
I agree with starthief,

It's the module from the 3 new ones that I unboxed and sort of thought 'mweh, I'm not really that much of an envelopes guy' and then every time I sat down and started patching it, amazing, clever and surprising things happened and I discovered something else it could be used for.

I think it's probably the least 'macro' of the MI line as its functions depend entirely on you. There is so much in there and it's so inherently modular inasmuch as you can patch it up to do whatever you want it to do.

A favourite of mine is just patching in a dummy jack and setting up self looping envelopes.

The max envelope time is around 8 seconds but of course, pop a spare channel into orange mode, send a 7v offset to your ramps and suddenly you're off into much longer territory.
chrisso
digable-me wrote:
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"


Isn't it very, very similar to the Verbos Voltage Multi-Stage from a few years ago (still Available)?
Markthom
This looks fabulous!
starthief
chrisso wrote:
digable-me wrote:
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"


Isn't it very, very similar to the Verbos Voltage Multi-Stage from a few years ago (still Available)?


Similar, but not "very, very". VMS can't be divided into multiple independent envelopes/sequencers/LFOs; its stages don't have individual CV inputs; it can't act as an S&H or sequential switch; glide time is dependent on the module's overall time and the curvature can't be changed; it can't produce an LFO from a single segment, etc. It does have arbitrary addressing/resets, two more stages, another line of CVs (if you don't need it to vary time, which... you do if it's going to be an envelope) and that sweet Verbos style but it's not quite the chameleon that Stages is.
tomtomtron
matttech wrote:
tomtomtron wrote:
I think it is a pity that retailers doesnt respect Olivier


trust me, SOME of us do!

I never, EVER put a new module up on my site until Olivier either announces it on his site, or gives me the go ahead. really not sure what's so hard to understand about that

I was all ready for the proper release at 6pm french time tonight, and had to drive back to the office to put it online this morning after I found out it had been leaked! d'oh!

(but obviously checked the mutable site first, and saw that it was up on there too)


sorry i didnt want to say every retailer. my fault. neutral
infovore
I read the manual. The hybrid of envelope/sequencer is nice... but the behaviour of single stages is super-smart - single decay envelopes, LFOs, SH.

And six is such a good idea for a number of stages, for the combinations it allows: gets you an ADSR+AD, or three ADs, or a pair of AD envelopes and two LFOs, and makes all manner of Buchla-y odd-number-sequencers possible. (I lie: it makes two possible, a 3-step and a five-step).

It feels rich and and full of possibilities - properly lower-case-m modular! It excites me in the way that Tides does.
digable-me
chrisso wrote:
digable-me wrote:
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"


Isn't it very, very similar to the Verbos Voltage Multi-Stage from a few years ago (still Available)?


I'm referring in particular to the idea that you can divide up the stages into different sections just by patching, and that you can chain multiple modules. Sure, the basic notion of several multi-function stages that can be made to do different things isn't a new idea, but the implementation is totally original.
jgoney
How much overlap would you guys say this has with Pamela's New Workout?
drowld
jgoney wrote:
How much overlap would you guys say this has with Pamela's New Workout?


I think it overlap more batumi.

Pnw is deeper and less wigglable and their fonctions are kind of different
Shledge
It's like Batumi and Frames had a baby

This and Marbles are definitely in my "want" list.
Dragonaut
chrisso wrote:
digable-me wrote:
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"


Isn't it very, very similar to the Verbos Voltage Multi-Stage from a few years ago (still Available)?


The cool part is that it CAN be like that or it can be a bunch of other stuff too. Hands down the most versatile modulation source for hp and dollars that I've seen. Thankfully I can get away with missing out on this one for now but definitely looking forward to getting my hands on it eventually.
Catchthehare
Couldn't resist and ordered from Matttech. Hopefully, I will feel less guilty about not ever gelling with Tides.
REVIVER
Is it possible to drive Stages at audio rate and "draw" your own waveforms?

hmmm.....
1n
I've been working out how to make space for a Voltage Block (sold mine and regretted it immediately) plus Varigate 4+ and Batumi, and keep to a small system.

I think this is going to be my modulation sequencer to keep me at 6U. The first MI module in my rack. This is going to be either a quick experiment and flip or a 6U keeper.
pichenettes
REVIVER wrote:
Is it possible to drive Stages at audio rate and "draw" your own waveforms?

hmmm.....


Yes but the audio quality is not that great (31kHz, 2kHz sampling on gate inputs and CV inputs).
sihiL
This comes at a bad time for me: I've been thinking I need more audio processors or generators that are modulatable, and here we have something ridiculously useful for a lot of CV. This does so many of the things I'd love to add to my rack, and it seems transparent and intuitive enough for me to actually use all of the features! I'm vaguely glad I don't have the money right now. grin

Seriously though, seems like an incredible module. Congrats to Olivier on another awesome piece of gear, shame about the leak!
grep
36 Segment Generator

digable-me
Could you create an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain by patching an LFO from another stage (maybe via an attenuator) back into the CV input of the sustain stage?
pichenettes
digable-me wrote:
Could you create an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain by patching an LFO from another stage (maybe via an attenuator) back into the CV input of the sustain stage?


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/
yusufkeys
screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
digable-me
pichenettes wrote:
digable-me wrote:
Could you create an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain by patching an LFO from another stage (maybe via an attenuator) back into the CV input of the sustain stage?


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg9ETBoBu8L/


Daaaaamn. I've ordered from London Modular. I can tell I'm never gonna exhaust the possibilities of this thing.
digable-me
I don't understand how those repeating spikes are being generated during a sloping stage.
pichenettes
digable-me wrote:
I don't understand how those repeating spikes are being generated during a sloping stage.


You create a RAMP to a HOLD segment, and you modulate the voltage of the target HOLD segment - so it alternates between a RAMP to 0V and a RAMP to +8V. This video was made with 2x Stages BTW.
jburzy
maybe its just too early in the morning, but I can't understand the sequential switch functionality. could someone explain how that patch would work ?


also I redact my comment about the price...this definitely looks worth the money!
pichenettes
Say you want a 3-step sequential switch.

Patch your clock in gate input 6. Set segments 4, 5, 6 to orange mode (step sequence). Send your 3 CVs in each of those segments.
gummyboy
Ordered the last one from Matttech applause applause applause applause
hermbot
hermbot wrote:
If there are six jacks at the bottom, it would be pretty intuitive / straightforward if inserting a jack into the output "breaks" the division. So if you put a cable in every other jack, you have 3x2. Put only one cable in the last jack and it's 1x6, etc. That's how the Veils is wired up as far as sub-mixes.


Wow! You're as prescient as you are handsome!
hermbot
chrisso wrote:
digable-me wrote:
Wow. As ever, Mutable releases a modules and I sit here thinking, "Why didn't anyone else think of that?"


Isn't it very, very similar to the Verbos Voltage Multi-Stage from a few years ago (still Available)?


Not to mention the Buchla MARF, which is what this reminds me of. Which I'm fine with, now I can have an expandable Euro MARF. Mr. Green
digable-me
pichenettes wrote:
digable-me wrote:
I don't understand how those repeating spikes are being generated during a sloping stage.


You create a RAMP to a HOLD segment, and you modulate the voltage of the target HOLD segment - so it alternates between a RAMP to 0V and a RAMP to +8V. This video was made with 2x Stages BTW.


Cool. Given that functionality, how would I make an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain, without the D stage also being wobbly?

EDIT: I guess you could have another very short RAMP stage in between the D and the S of the ADSR.
pichenettes
digable-me wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
digable-me wrote:
I don't understand how those repeating spikes are being generated during a sloping stage.


You create a RAMP to a HOLD segment, and you modulate the voltage of the target HOLD segment - so it alternates between a RAMP to 0V and a RAMP to +8V. This video was made with 2x Stages BTW.


Cool. Given that functionality, how would I make an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain, without the D stage also being wobbly?


How is that possible? To which value is the D stage supposed to decay if you make it wobble?

You can add a short HOLD segment before the sustain, and use it to specify to which value the D segment will decay to - and how long or short this phase will be before jumping into the wobbly sustain.
digable-me
pichenettes wrote:
digable-me wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
digable-me wrote:
I don't understand how those repeating spikes are being generated during a sloping stage.


You create a RAMP to a HOLD segment, and you modulate the voltage of the target HOLD segment - so it alternates between a RAMP to 0V and a RAMP to +8V. This video was made with 2x Stages BTW.


Cool. Given that functionality, how would I make an ADSR with a 'wobbly' sustain, without the D stage also being wobbly?


How is that possible? To which value is the D stage supposed to decay if you make it wobble?

You can add a short HOLD segment before the sustain, and use it to specify to which value the D segment will decay to - and how long or short this phase will be before jumping into the wobbly sustain.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for all the explanations!
ludotex
Looks awesome. Looking forward to more videos that shows self patching to the level inputs, for weird moving slopes Rockin' Banana!
soulmender
Would this be good for a small system if I have PNW but no other modules to produce LFO's and Envelopes? Was considering Batumi, but then this came out! Excited!

Also using Varigate 4 and Voltage Block.
Torn n Frayed
Is this going on sale in the US today? Not seeing it listed on any retailers here....
mdoudoroff
I’m very impressed with this on paper, and the limited video demos look most promising.

Stages is, indeed, like a baby “analog” Control Forge.
REVIVER
Torn n Frayed wrote:
Is this going on sale in the US today? Not seeing it listed on any retailers here....


Detroit Modular has had it up for pre-order since around 7AM EST.
jeboo
Quote:

Is this going on sale in the US today? Not seeing it listed on any retailers here....


I’m guessing so — but still a bit early in the states for most This is fun!
Torn n Frayed
REVIVER wrote:
Torn n Frayed wrote:
Is this going on sale in the US today? Not seeing it listed on any retailers here....


Detroit Modular has had it up for pre-order since around 7AM EST.



Cool thanks!
jburzy
pichenettes wrote:
Say you want a 3-step sequential switch.

Patch your clock in gate input 6. Set segments 4, 5, 6 to orange mode (step sequence). Send your 3 CVs in each of those segments.


and then take stage 6 out to my osc? or stage 4?
Bjarlstedt
This looks great! Well done, Olivier.
But soon there no excuse left for not getting an oscilloscope, especially with a module like this one.
Bachelard
anyone else excited about putting this next to a Just Friends??
intuitionnyc
Control in NYC (Brooklyn) has the Pre-Order up. I just placed an order. Mr. Green
pichenettes
jburzy wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
Say you want a 3-step sequential switch.

Patch your clock in gate input 6. Set segments 4, 5, 6 to orange mode (step sequence). Send your 3 CVs in each of those segments.


and then take stage 6 out to my osc? or stage 4?


Stage 4 - under your trigger/clock is the main output. The one to patch to your OSC.

Stage 5 and Stage 6 will output triggers whenever they are active. You can thus use them to make things happen at 1/3 the clock rate.
starthief
soulmender wrote:
Would this be good for a small system if I have PNW but no other modules to produce LFO's and Envelopes? Was considering Batumi, but then this came out! Excited!

Also using Varigate 4 and Voltage Block.


I think it'd be excellent for that. It's great for multiple simple envelopes or LFOs, as well as more complex and self-patched modulation, so it's very useful for any size system.
CaptainRockout
REVIVER wrote:
Torn n Frayed wrote:
Is this going on sale in the US today? Not seeing it listed on any retailers here....


Detroit Modular has had it up for pre-order since around 7AM EST.


Thank you! I now have Stages preordered nanners

I'm starting with one for now, but can see myself getting two. I just need to let funds recover from Marbles and others hihi
intuitionnyc
Yes. This thing looks ultra flexible. I think this is an amazing modulation station if you have a small or big system. Even at its MOST BASIC function, you could have 6 individual variable shaped LFO's in 14hp, right???
Bjarlstedt
Bachelard wrote:
anyone else excited about putting this next to a Just Friends??


Yes, very much. But mostly so I can use my JF only as a VCO.
pichenettes
intuitionnyc wrote:
Yes. This thing looks ultra flexible. I think this is an amazing modulation station if you have a small or big system. Even at its MOST BASIC function, you could have 6 individual variable shaped LFO's in 14hp, right???


Yes. They track V/O too.
khyber
Tres bien! This looks stellar, the amount of envelope response possibilities combined with the stage holding aspect have me anxious to try this module out. Rockin' Banana!
REVIVER
Perhaps a rather frivolous purpose for something like Stages, but is it possible to simply "dial" in CV offsets at the outputs a la Frames with no gates/triggers patched?

I'm kind of imagining a performance scenario where I'm manually modulating a full system patch in a more tactile way from one central module (i.e. Stages)...
pichenettes
REVIVER wrote:
Perhaps a rather frivolous purpose for something like Stages, but is it possible to simply "dial" in CV offsets at the outputs a la Frames with no gates/triggers patched?

I'm kind of imagining a performance scenario where I'm manually modulating a full system patch in a more tactile way from one central module (i.e. Stages)...


Yes. Don't patch anything and use HOLD or STEP segments.

With STEP segments the pot controls the glide response (so your movements can be smoothed out or direct).

With HOLD segments the pot controls how long the module takes to register your change (so you can perform in advance a change, and it'll take effect half a second or 5s later).
REVIVER
pichenettes wrote:
Yes. Don't patch anything and use HOLD or STEP segments.

With STEP segments the pot controls the glide response (so your movements can be smoothed out or direct).

With HOLD segments the pot controls how long the module takes to register your change (so you can perform in advance a change, and it'll take effect half a second or 5s later).


Oh wow! Really liking the idea of the HOLD behavior in this particular application.

Now I definitely need two. eek!
boramx
these new Mutables are clever. I think Olivier has really got the function/features to layout ratio in tight sweet spot.
Hovercraft
I know you can get an end of rise gate, using the the second output of an AD (or more segment) envelope. Is there any way to get an end of fall gate? That's something i use a lot in generative patches, to trigger a new random stepped voltage. Is there a creative way to derive this from Stages?
Dogma
pichenettes wrote:
intuitionnyc wrote:
Yes. This thing looks ultra flexible. I think this is an amazing modulation station if you have a small or big system. Even at its MOST BASIC function, you could have 6 individual variable shaped LFO's in 14hp, right???


Yes. They track V/O too.


Now THAT is interesting to me smile

How many octaves do they track?
Are they band limited?
pichenettes
Add a very short HOLD segment after the fall segment.
pichenettes
Dogma wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
intuitionnyc wrote:
Yes. This thing looks ultra flexible. I think this is an amazing modulation station if you have a small or big system. Even at its MOST BASIC function, you could have 6 individual variable shaped LFO's in 14hp, right???


Yes. They track V/O too.


Now THAT is interesting to me smile

How many octaves do they track?
Are they band limited?


About 8, but they are not band-limited.
Hovercraft
pichenettes wrote:
Add a very short HOLD segment after the fall segment.


Thanks, that gets a nice trigger or leading edge, but wouldn't it create a click or noise if I was using the envelope with a VCA to control note amplitude?

Edit: Doh! The hold segment could be at a very low voltage--it should work fine.
pichenettes
No, you're just telling the envelope to stay for a while at 0V after it has reached... 0V.
mateo
I'm not sure if this was covered elsewhere, but: when patching an ADSR, if you want to sustain while the gate is high, you'd use a looping hold segment, correct?
Hovercraft
Great. What about the behavior when you retrigger a rising segment? Does it reset to 0V immediately, or continue to maximum voltage and retrigger?
pichenettes
mateo wrote:
I'm not sure if this was covered elsewhere, but: when patching an ADSR, if you want to sustain while the gate is high, you'd use a looping hold segment, correct?


Yes.
pichenettes
Hovercraft wrote:
Great. What about the behavior when you retrigger a rising segment? Does it reset to 0V immediately, or continue to maximum voltage and retrigger?


From the manual:

"The first RAMP segment ramps up to 8V, starting from whatever level the output currently stays at."

So it does not reset to 0V, it starts ramping up again from whatever voltage it currently stays at.

If you want your envelopes to reset to 0V at the attack no matter what? Just put a short HOLD segment at 0V before the first RAMP.
Hovercraft
pichenettes wrote:


From the manual:

"The first RAMP segment ramps up to 8V, starting from whatever level the output currently stays at."

So it does not reset to 0V, it starts ramping up again from whatever voltage it currently stays at.

If you want your envelopes to reset to 0V at the attack no matter what? Just put a short HOLD segment at 0V before the first RAMP.


Ahh, that makes sense. Off to read the manual.
MARK27
I'm 15 minutes into Ben's video on Stages and I'm already thinking, "Fuck it. Just pre-order anything Olivier makes. It doesn't matter what it is." w00t

Up til now, Mutable modules were hit-or-miss for me. However, these 2018 modules are all on the money. Olivier has really zeroed in on focusing on a single concept, and balancing a simple UI with powerful capabilities.

Congratulations, Olivier. You have all my money. we're not worthy

Now what will it take to get Mutable to offer black panel options? I love the panel design, I just need black!!! help
Muse FTW
Bad day to wake up late. Hope I got in on the first batch. Pretty soon I can have an all Mutable rack. we're not worthy
thelizard
I posted this over on Lines. I'll copy-paste it here:

When Olivier sent me Marbles, Plaits, and Stages, my modular was at a ridiculous 33U. Because of these modules (and the ER-301), I’m down to a better 15U (although I will likely go smaller).

Stages is completely ridiculous. When learning, I mainly stuck with step sequencing, LFOs, and simple decay envelopes. Part of me didn’t want to learn the “recipes” listed in the manual. I found that it’s a lot of fun just to experiment and blindly build complex envelopes.

The other day, I had this great envelope running where the hold stage was a looping two-stage section that essentially created a granular hold. If I tapped a key on my keyboard briefly, it would provide a simple attack-decay sound. When I held down the key, the granular hold would then also trigger a step sequencer to the left of it. That step sequencer would trigger another…

https://soundcloud.com/the-february-thaw/mutable-instruments-2x-stages -example

[s]https://soundcloud.com/the-february-thaw/mutable-instruments-2x-sta ges-example[/s]

(Full description on the Soundcloud page: Here is an example of Mutable Instruments Stages. It is being used to modulate a single voice of Plaits. A complex, 5-stage envelope is used to modulate the LEVEL input in Plaits Chord Mode. The middle hold stage of the envelope is comprised of two looping stages to provide the rapid tremolo effect.

One of the hold stages is then used to trigger a step sequencer (using 4 stages) that modulates the MORPH parameter on Plaits. That step sequencer finally triggers another step sequencer (using the remaining 3 stages), which in turn modulates the HARMONICS parameter on Plaits.)

intuitionnyc
MARK27 wrote:
I'm 15 minutes into Ben's video on Stages and I'm already thinking, "Fuck it. Just pre-order anything Olivier makes. It doesn't matter what it is." w00t


Honestly, this is the way I see it. At WORST, you could probably re-sell it in the BST area at NO LOSS (especially if they all get snagged and there is a wait for another batch).

I ordered 2 from Control in NYC. I will probably want to keep both but if I don't, I know somebody will snag it from me. I'm not trying to be a hoarder by ordering 2, but I think this a module that will be awesome for my needs.
nectarios
I think this is the Maths of the future...or MI's version of Maths that runs circles around, well...you guessed it.

Not to take anything away from Maths, love mine and will add Stages in the same case, but after watching DivKid's demo I am convinced about just how much fun this will be thinking new ways of patching the thing around to achieve new levels of control.

Hats off, this one is a home run.
geremyf
If the connection on the back (3-wire) is i2c, I wonder if teletype integration could be possible?
desolationjones
geremyf wrote:
If the connection on the back (3-wire) is i2c, I wonder if teletype integration could be possible?


It's not. Already confirmed on lines.
BrokenBo
looks like that MI is moving towards a similiar concept like verbos or make noise...minimum menu diving, maximum control, maximum patching flexibility. very nice!
pichenettes
This needs to be dumber and faster than I2C, because if you modulate segments on the second module in the chain, this information must be propagated to the first one in the chain which is responsible for generating the output.

(Aside #1: 90% of the development time has been related to the chaining feature. The module would have been out by early 2016 otherwise. Aside #2: this is a module that is going to be... interesting... to port to VCV because the code handling the state of the module is heavily tied to the chaining/comm protocol thing).
igowen
i honestly thought i was going to skip this one when i saw the leaked photos, but after reading the manual and watching some youtube videos i preordered not one, but two Dead Banana
BrokenBo
how many of these can we chain? have a vision of six of these chained for one complete row of a cv modulation / sequencing hub cool
pichenettes
Six.
ndoe22
Who should i order from in the US??? Who gets them first??
Zymos
igowen wrote:
i honestly thought i was going to skip this one when i saw the leaked photos, but after reading the manual and watching some youtube videos i preordered not one, but two Dead Banana


Same here - "oh, a fancy envelope with sliders, yawn"

Preordered immediately after reading the manual, this is truly a "mutable instrument" with a ton of bang for the buck/HP.
REVIVER
ndoe22 wrote:
Who should i order from in the US??? Who gets them first??


Ah, a question for the ages...

Whom shall receive Stages first?

Whom shall deliver Stages to me expeditiously?

hmmm.....

So many variables...
Torn n Frayed
ndoe22 wrote:
Who should i order from in the US??? Who gets them first??



From reading the other threads for the recent MI releases it's Control since they're small and in NYC..
Sweetfiltersweep
Incredible new module. we're not worthy

Are clocked gate delays possible? Or can you only set the gate delay time by ear?
strange tales
ndoe22 wrote:
Who should i order from in the US??? Who gets them first??


I've ordered both Plaits and Marbles from Detroit Modular. Marbles is coming in today actually ( MY ASS IS BLEEDING ). DM is my choice supplier for modular in the US so I'd recommend them. Pre-ordered Stages from them and it looks like they are still taking pre-orders for the first batch.
dumbledog
Well this thing sure looks utterly nuts. With Blinds by its side, it looks like my Maths can finally take a vacation for a bit.
boom blip
I have a control forge and ordered a stages but tempted to sell the CF and get one or two more Stages, it seems to offer alot of the options of the CF but with more immediacy and none of the menu diving.
Zymos
Comparison to CF is understandable, though there are plenty of differences. One big one for me is the ability to set precise voltages/notes and durations.

I must admit that I'm tempted to sell my CF as well though...
geremyf
Well I preordered but I'm fairly conflicted over this vs. Just friends. My intent is to use either as one source of related envelopes for the E370. Stages seems more flexible, but I do have a teletype and the way in which Jf has the envelopes inter-related may be more suitable.
pugix
And I was on the verge of getting two Make Noise Contours. d'oh!
damase
Module is basically what we predicted... which is insanely good and thoughtful. The ratio of functionality to hp to price is off the charts. The balance of simple playability and complex patching is perfect. Need more rack space... Mutable ingenuity making this entire forum bankrupt

Is clock syncing only engaged if a segment is acting alone, single-segment?
Is there a way to disable clock sync so that it just resets with a gate?

Thank you
pichenettes
Quote:
Only set by ear


If you patch a clock/trigger in a red segment it'll work as a trigger/pulse generator.

Quote:
Is clock syncing only engaged if a segment is acting alone, single-segment?


Yes.

Quote:
Is there a way to disable clock sync so that it just resets with a gate?


No
novim
I'm curious about the the slowest possible LFO frequency and the maximum duration of an envelope segment. I've searched the manual and watched relevant segments of DivKid's video, but couldn't find any info on times/frequencies.
pichenettes
novim wrote:
I'm curious about the the slowest possible LFO frequency and the maximum duration of an envelope segment. I've searched the manual and watched relevant segments of DivKid's video, but couldn't find any info on times/frequencies.


Right on the product page: Segment duration from 1ms to 16s.

You can use a negative offset on the LFO frequency, or a positive offset on the envelope time to make it go much slower.
novim
The product page... that would have been a good place to look first.

Thank you for the info about offsetting the LFOs. Exactly what I was hoping.
matttech
MARK27 wrote:
I'm 15 minutes into Ben's video on Stages and I'm already thinking, "Fuck it. Just pre-order anything Olivier makes. It doesn't matter what it is." w00t
:


Pretty much exactly the conclusion I came to! thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
pichenettes wrote:
jburzy wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
Say you want a 3-step sequential switch.

Patch your clock in gate input 6. Set segments 4, 5, 6 to orange mode (step sequence). Send your 3 CVs in each of those segments.


and then take stage 6 out to my osc? or stage 4?


Stage 4 - under your trigger/clock is the main output. The one to patch to your OSC.

Stage 5 and Stage 6 will output triggers whenever they are active. You can thus use them to make things happen at 1/3 the clock rate.


burzy

patch your clock in gate 4 and underneath it patch your cable to wherever the signal needs to go. The rest as described by Olivier.
exper
With external CVs, I understand a single channel can perform sample and hold, but can it also slew external CVs?

EDIT: I don't mean slew while in S&H, I mean patch a stepped CV into Time/Level and get a slewed copy, without clocking?
pichenettes
exper wrote:
With external CVs, I understand a single channel can perform sample and hold, but can it also slew external CVs?


Yes.
Dcramer
woah ok, I’ll be the first to say it:

w00t this is one fucking awesome all-in-one Krell machine w00t
guestt
Dcramer wrote:
woah ok, I’ll be the first to say it:

w00t this is one fucking awesome all-in-one Krell machine w00t


Well said!!

I would love to see you demonstrate this in your inimitable style wink
MindMachine
Baddcr wrote:
Dcramer wrote:
woah ok, I’ll be the first to say it:

w00t this is one fucking awesome all-in-one Krell machine w00t


Well said!!

I would love to see you demonstrate this in your inimitable style wink


Hear, hear!
sempervirent
pichenettes wrote:
Aside #2: this is a module that is going to be... interesting... to port to VCV because the code handling the state of the module is heavily tied to the chaining/comm protocol thing).

We'll be doing our own take on multi-segment function generators for VCV Rack at a later time, but it would be great to have Stages in Rack eventually as well (along with Plaits and Marbles).

Interesting (and not totally surprising) to learn that the chaining feature consumed 90% of the development effort. Great idea though. I'd imagine that many racks will end up with at least two. I look forward to seeing the first video with six of them chained together.

Although six units together is probably more than enough, was there a specific technical limitation (i.e. event propagation time) that capped the total number at six? Just curious.
governor blacksnake
this one looks like tons of fun. tempted!!
latigid on
sempervirent wrote:
Although six units together is probably more than enough, was there a specific technical limitation (i.e. event propagation time) that capped the total number at six? Just curious.


Copy/paste from MI:

pichenettes wrote:
Adding more units brought the total RAM use too close to the limit. Also the more modules you had, the less responsive to CVs it becomes (because the CV information has to be propagated throughout the chain) - for example if you create a 36 stage envelope and modulate the sustain time on the 35th segment on the last module… This information has to be propagated to the first module!


https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/mi-stages/13643/2
ModusOp
Dcramer wrote:
woah ok, I’ll be the first to say it:

w00t this is one fucking awesome all-in-one Krell machine w00t


Bingo, babyyyy! Ordered! SlayerBadger!
anosou
matttech wrote:
MARK27 wrote:
I'm 15 minutes into Ben's video on Stages and I'm already thinking, "Fuck it. Just pre-order anything Olivier makes. It doesn't matter what it is." w00t
:


Pretty much exactly the conclusion I came to! thumbs up


Ah-yup, agreed w00t
dhoinjo
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating
mgscheue
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


I almost didn't order one because I have both a Quadra--with expander--and a Batumi. I've pretty much decided it's enough different from the Batumi that having both makes some sense. Quadra, I'm not so sure, though I suppose there are always ways to use more envelopes.
nolongerhuman
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


Yea, I bought another Maths last week before this was announced. Now I’m wondering if that was wise.
amop
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behndy
yur. ORDERED. not sure if it will make the Batumi or the Quadra redundant, but can totally see grabbing a second.
starthief
amop wrote:
I couldn’t verify but can the LFOs do quadrature?


Not exactly quadrature, but:

-- If you mult one LFO to another's gate input, the phase the second one syncs to will be dependent on the shape of the first. (Because it syncs to crossing some voltage threshold.) Using a triangle, sine or trapezoid as the shape of the first LFO will offset the phase of the second by a bit. Run the first through a negative voltage offset or attenuator before going into the gate to offset the phase more.

-- You can use as a stage as a CV delay. It's not quadrature per se, but you can fake it if your LFO rate is constant.
dhoinjo
mgscheue wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


I almost didn't order one because I have both a Quadra--with expander--and a Batumi. I've pretty much decided it's enough different from the Batumi that having both makes some sense. Quadra, I'm not so sure, though I suppose there are always ways to use more envelopes.


Quadra + expander offers something different indeed. But I just wanted the envelopes. I got 4. Could've been 6. But Stages isn't going anywhere. Pretty sure I'll end up with both some day.
exper
dhoinjo wrote:
mgscheue wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


I almost didn't order one because I have both a Quadra--with expander--and a Batumi. I've pretty much decided it's enough different from the Batumi that having both makes some sense. Quadra, I'm not so sure, though I suppose there are always ways to use more envelopes.


Quadra + expander offers something different indeed. But I just wanted the envelopes. I got 4. Could've been 6. But Stages isn't going anywhere. Pretty sure I'll end up with both some day.


6 only if you just want decay. You only get 3 ARs or 2 ASRs with Stages. I decided to order Stages, but not as a replacement for my Quadra at all, in fact that’s one of my favorites modules I’ve used. I ordered Stages for the fact that you can make up new and interesting multistage envelopes, or use it as any combo of lfos, slew, sequences, etc.
BrokenBo
ha. people are driving themselves crazy whenever something new comes out, thinking that some of the modules they already have are redundant now... hihi
amop
BrokenBo wrote:
ha. people are driving themselves crazy whenever something new comes out, thinking that some of the modules they already have are redundant now... hihi


Maybe....but I won’t be selling anything for it. It’s just a more efficient option in my portable case.

starthief wrote:
Not exactly quadrature, but:
Thanks thumbs up - yeah, so some sort of delay from patching another LFO and some tweaking can dial it in, but nothing otherwise by default.
dhoinjo
exper wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
mgscheue wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


I almost didn't order one because I have both a Quadra--with expander--and a Batumi. I've pretty much decided it's enough different from the Batumi that having both makes some sense. Quadra, I'm not so sure, though I suppose there are always ways to use more envelopes.


Quadra + expander offers something different indeed. But I just wanted the envelopes. I got 4. Could've been 6. But Stages isn't going anywhere. Pretty sure I'll end up with both some day.


6 only if you just want decay. You only get 3 ARs or 2 ASRs with Stages. I decided to order Stages, but not as a replacement for my Quadra at all, in fact that’s one of my favorites modules I’ve used. I ordered Stages for the fact that you can make up new and interesting multistage envelopes, or use it as any combo of lfos, slew, sequences, etc.


true. As I said: I will probably end up with both. Chugging Beers
1n
nolongerhuman wrote:
dhoinjo wrote:
Damn. Was totally unaware of this and bought me a quadra last week because I needed more ad envelopes... very frustrating


Yea, I bought another Maths last week before this was announced. Now I’m wondering if that was wise.


Only sounds count. And you've made it possible to do all you want and more with 2x Maths. Get a couple of stackable cables and everything can happen at once.
cptnal
Want want want a Stages but I'll be keeping Maths, PEG and Quadra. In fact I'm think of adding Quadra's expander into the bargain. Then all your envelopes are belonging to voltage control! Flamey
Nagasaki45
I was short of LFOs and considered a batumi. Somewhat short of decaying envelopes. Also thought about getting a sample and hold, maybe a sequencer... I think I can stop searching!

The only things that I would prefer differently is having longer LFOs and reset instead of tap temp. I guess that they can be tweaked in software. Other than that it looks perfect for my needs.
jburzy
Nagasaki45 wrote:

The only things that I would prefer differently is having longer LFOs and reset instead of tap temp. I guess that they can be tweaked in software. Other than that it looks perfect for my needs.


where do you see tap tempo? what is there to tap?
cptnal
Didn't Olivier say elsewhere on this thread that the LFO period could be increased with an offset (a la Maths)? Maybe I imagined it... hmmm.....
Nagasaki45
jburzy wrote:
Nagasaki45 wrote:

The only things that I would prefer differently is having longer LFOs and reset instead of tap temp. I guess that they can be tweaked in software. Other than that it looks perfect for my needs.


where do you see tap tempo? what is there to tap?


Maybe calling it "tap tempo" was misleading. I ment something more like "syncing to clock". From the manual:

Quote:
A looping single RAMP segment behaves like an LFO, the waveform of which is controlled by the potentiometer [A]. Instead of the simple logarithmic/linear/exponential curves, a more sensible selection of waveforms is provided: variable slope saw/triangle, sine, variable slope trapezoid. If the GATE input is not patched, the LFO frequency is set by the slider [C] and CV input [1]. If the GATE input is patched, the LFO follows the tempo set by the GATE signal, with a clock division/multiplication factor from 1⁄4 to 4 set by the slider.


cptnal wrote:
Didn't Olivier say elsewhere on this thread that the LFO period could be increased with an offset (a la Maths)? Maybe I imagined it... hmmm.....


Yeah, I think he said it earlier in this thread. Still, if I'm not mistaken 16 seconds is the max.

Peeps! I want to highlight that I'm not complaining here at all! This thing looks brilliant, and my preference for hard reset over syncing to tempo, and for longer LFOs are only my preferences. They might not be "better", maybe even worse for most use cases.
novim
^^^

pichenettes wrote:
novim wrote:
I'm curious about the the slowest possible LFO...


Right on the product page: Segment duration from 1ms to 16s.

You can use a negative offset on the LFO frequency, or a positive offset on the envelope time to make it go much slower.
pichenettes
To make things clear:

The slide pot delivers a voltage between 0V and +8V, which is added to the voltage read on the CV input (clipped between -8V and +8V). The result, between -8V and 16V (no it doesn't clip at 12, the addition is performed in software), is translated into an envelope time and frequency using the following scales.

Envelope times:

0V and below: 1ms
4V: 0.5s
8V: 16s
16V: 1125s

LFO frequencies:

-8V: 0.0005 Hz (2000 seconds)
0V: 0.127 Hz (7.8 seconds)
4V: 2.04 Hz
8V: 32.7 Hz
11V: C3
16V: 8371 Hz
restlessboy
pichenettes wrote:
To make things clear:

The slide pot delivers a voltage between 0V and +8V, which is added to the voltage read on the CV input (clipped between -8V and +8V). The result, between -8V and 16V (no it doesn't clip at 12, the addition is performed in software), is translated into an envelope time and frequency using the following scales.

Envelope times:

0V and below: 1ms
4V: 0.5s
8V: 16s
16V: 1125s

LFO frequencies:

-8V: 0.0005 Hz (2000 seconds)
0V: 0.127 Hz (7.8 seconds)
4V: 2.04 Hz
8V: 32.7 Hz
11V: C3
16V: 8371 Hz


And if you wiggle it, it sounds cool - right?
pichenettes
wigglable with fingers or electricity.
Paranormal Patroler
You can always dedicate one stage to offset another.
zengomi
One of the coolest features of Maths is CV control of cycle mode on/off.

Stages?
pugix
pichenettes wrote:
To make things clear:

The slide pot delivers a voltage between 0V and +8V, which is added to the voltage read on the CV input (clipped between -8V and +8V). The result, between -8V and 16V (no it doesn't clip at 12, the addition is performed in software), is translated into an envelope time and frequency using the following scales.

Envelope times:

0V and below: 1ms
4V: 0.5s
8V: 16s
16V: 1125s

LFO frequencies:

-8V: 0.0005 Hz (2000 seconds)
0V: 0.127 Hz (7.8 seconds)
4V: 2.04 Hz
8V: 32.7 Hz
11V: C3
16V: 8371 Hz


So just to add simple examples:

Slider at 8V and +8V on the CV input results in an envelope time of 1125 seconds or an LFO frequency of 8371 Hz.

The 16 second envelope time and 32.7 Hz LFO frequency are the maximums with nothing or zero volts on the CV input.
starthief
zengomi wrote:
One of the coolest features of Maths is CV control of cycle mode on/off.

Stages?


"Cycle" can mean many different things in Stages -- single segments or a range of segments within a group can loop. That's too complex to set via CV.

But just as you can cycle Maths by patching EOC, you can do something similar with Stages to retrigger a cycle.
cptnal
Plaits... meh

Marbles... meh

Stages... woah we're not worthy

Should be here next week... hyper
pugix
starthief wrote:
zengomi wrote:
One of the coolest features of Maths is CV control of cycle mode on/off.

Stages?


"Cycle" can mean many different things in Stages -- single segments or a range of segments within a group can loop. That's too complex to set via CV.

But just as you can cycle Maths by patching EOC, you can do something similar with Stages to retrigger a cycle.


Why compare Stages to Maths, as if you have to choose between them? I'm trying to remember if Stages can do a voltage controlled slew. Maybe it can, because it does a lot. But VC slewing is Maths central design feature, even if many people only use it for envelopes and LFOs. I have two Mini Slews and I am still getting a Stages. Have a Maths? Add a Stages. smile
zengomi
starthief wrote:
zengomi wrote:
One of the coolest features of Maths is CV control of cycle mode on/off.

Stages?


"Cycle" can mean many different things in Stages -- single segments or a range of segments within a group can loop. That's too complex to set via CV.

But just as you can cycle Maths by patching EOC, you can do something similar with Stages to retrigger a cycle.


When Maths channels 1 or 4 is being triggered by a gate, triggering Cycle from an off state induces an entirely different voltage pattern. Try it.

I'm just curious if MI's latest stage star can do that.
zengomi
pugix wrote:
starthief wrote:
zengomi wrote:
One of the coolest features of Maths is CV control of cycle mode on/off.

Stages?


"Cycle" can mean many different things in Stages -- single segments or a range of segments within a group can loop. That's too complex to set via CV.

But just as you can cycle Maths by patching EOC, you can do something similar with Stages to retrigger a cycle.


Why compare Stages to Maths, as if you have to choose between them? I'm trying to remember if Stages can do a voltage controlled slew. Maybe it can, because it does a lot. But VC slewing is Maths central design feature, even if many people only use it for envelopes and LFOs. I have two Mini Slews and I am still getting a Stages. Have a Maths? Add a Stages. smile


Some people might have to choose, at least for the nonce.

A new product that simply by its release garners heart palpitating responses ought to be compared with stalwart, proven, popular, often employed modules.
pichenettes
How many times have I read "this does envelopes and LFOs so this is a Maths"?

At its core, Maths is a dual voltage-controlled slew+flip-flop combo, with some internal patching. And a mixer and logic section strapped to it.

Stages is a programmable state machine with transitions rules conditioned by gates, triggers or internally timed ramps. And that's it. The whole mixing/logic is left to specialized modules (Blinds or Shades for the mixing - depending on whether you want it CV-controlled or not; Kinks for the logic).

That both Maths and Stages do envelopes and LFO is a very superficial view of what they can do.
zengomi
pichenettes wrote:
How many times have I read "this does envelopes and LFOs so this is a Maths"?

At its core, Maths is a dual voltage-controlled slew+flip-flop combo, with some internal patching. And a mixer and logic section strapped to it.

Stages is a programmable state machine with transitions rules conditioned by gates, triggers or internally timed ramps. And that's it. The whole mixing/logic is left to specialized modules (Blinds or Shades for the mixing - depending on whether you want it CV-controlled or not; Kinks for the logic).

That both Maths and Stages do envelopes and LFO is a very superficial view of what they can do.


There you have it. Stages is no Maths.
starthief
zengomi wrote:
I'm just curious if MI's latest stage star can do that.


Any envelope that provides an EOC can do that, provided you also use an AND (or VCA) and OR (or mixer) to patch it. Maths just builds it in. (As does Mini Slew, Rampage etc.)
jicamasalad
and apples are not oranges....

onward!
cptnal
Let's all say it together... "get both". This is fun!
Nagasaki45
pichenettes wrote:
To make things clear:

The slide pot delivers a voltage between 0V and +8V, which is added to the voltage read on the CV input (clipped between -8V and +8V). The result, between -8V and 16V (no it doesn't clip at 12, the addition is performed in software), is translated into an envelope time and frequency using the following scales.

Envelope times:

0V and below: 1ms
4V: 0.5s
8V: 16s
16V: 1125s

LFO frequencies:

-8V: 0.0005 Hz (2000 seconds)
0V: 0.127 Hz (7.8 seconds)
4V: 2.04 Hz
8V: 32.7 Hz
11V: C3
16V: 8371 Hz


Thanks for the clarification!
Hovercraft
I did a curve fit to the table of envelope times.

alanza
whoops, missed that the addition is in software.
p@@@nts
Does anyone think it’d be a bad idea to swap out two Peaks modules for one Stages?
Zymos
Yes, I'm keeping both my Peaks. They seem a lot more immediate, not to mention the drums and DMC goodies.
jicamasalad
p@@@nts wrote:
Does anyone think it’d be a bad idea to swap out two Peaks modules for one Stages?


And just to be on the other side of the fence, I'm selling my Peaks, because I never use the drum stuff, and Stages does so much more of what I need than Peaks.

This is the beauty of Eurorack!
Every system different, tailored to our tastes.
mateo
p@@@nts wrote:
Does anyone think it’d be a bad idea to swap out two Peaks modules for one Stages?


Unless you really need the four ADSRs at the same time, or use the drums, no. On the other hand, there's some interesting alternate firmware for the peaks that might make it worth hanging on to...
Zymos
Thus proving that no one can really answer these types of questions for someone else!
Other issue for me is that I can put a Peaks here and there for convenience and shorter cables, it's handy to be able to intersperse functions around my rig.
p@@@nts
All good points. If I wasn't running out of case space... waah

I guess I do appreciate the directness of Peaks, but I also don't like how there are no CV inputs. Stages seems more interesting; less utilitarian than Peaks.

On the other hand, I can imagine scenarios with Stages where I decide I want one of the right-most channels to be AD envelope after all, rather than just a D env, and then having to scoot all the cables over and re-assign any other modulation stuff going on on the other channels. That'd be a bit annoying, and it's not something you have to deal with with Peaks.

Nevertheless, Stages seems amazingly awesome and is getting gears turning, which is always good. Thanks yet again, Oliver! hyper
Zymos
Forgot to mention,I also have the Blue Lantern "basics", which is Peaks with VC!
If you are mainly interested in envelopes with VC, I can recommend Gonies and O+C...
mateo
If space is a factor.... I would definitely take a stages over two peaks!
behndy
sooooooo..... how long till these beautiful little buggeriboos start shipping from spots?
zengomi
starthief wrote:
zengomi wrote:
I'm just curious if MI's latest stage star can do that.


Any envelope that provides an EOC can do that, provided you also use an AND (or VCA) and OR (or mixer) to patch it. Maths just builds it in. (As does Mini Slew, Rampage etc.)


Thanks, but I can't visualize what you mean. Could you elaborate with a detailed patching scheme?
starthief
zengomi wrote:
Thanks, but I can't visualize what you mean. Could you elaborate with a detailed patching scheme?


Now that I try to patch it at 3 AM when I can't sleep, the patch I was thinking of isn't right anyway except under very narrow conditions, so... nevermind. I'll work out that puzzle, but it can't be patched with just a mixer and VCA as I thought smile
zengomi
starthief wrote:
zengomi wrote:
Thanks, but I can't visualize what you mean. Could you elaborate with a detailed patching scheme?


Now that I try to patch it at 3 AM when I can't sleep, the patch I was thinking of isn't right anyway except under very narrow conditions, so... nevermind. I'll work out that puzzle, but it can't be patched with just a mixer and VCA as I thought smile


Thanks for trying. Hope you get some sleep.
digable-me
p@@@nts wrote:
Does anyone think it’d be a bad idea to swap out two Peaks modules for one Stages?


It depends on your system and your needs. I'll probably get rid of Peaks when Stages arrives, but I have a 6U by 104HP system that I use to make generative patches and textures, and the lack of voltage control on Peaks is frustrating sometimes. Plus I have Tides, Marbles, and Maths, so plenty of modulation sources.
cptnal
This isn't a "but Maths" comment... I reckon it'll feel similar to Maths in my rack in that there's a lot of things it can do, but sometimes you want dedicated modules because it would be "a waste of Maths" just to use it as an EG, slew limiter, LFO. Likewise with Stages. I'm not planning on losing anything because Stages can do it. I'm interested in what Stages can do that other modules can't.
squarewavesurfer
Now to choose what to get rid of to make room for Stages.
geremyf
Maybe it was previously mentioned...are the sliders similar to Intellijel Metropolis where we can switch the LED color? It's not that I don't like the green, but I kinda don't like that particular green.
pichenettes
Yes, the LED can be swapped.
geremyf
Awesome. Thanks.
Trooper
Arrived, thanks to Matt thumbs up

behndy
pichenettes wrote:
Yes, the LED can be swapped.



oooooo neat! what size LED would one replace them with?
dumbledog
Trooper wrote:
Arrived, thanks to Matt thumbs up



How does the caramel apple taste? The dog the one that came with my Blinds so I imagine it must be pretty tasty.
joskery
Hmm - sorry if this has been covered, but can you patch a Hold-release envelope with two stages?
pichenettes
joskery wrote:
Hmm - sorry if this has been covered, but can you patch a Hold-release envelope with two stages?


Yes. HOLD segment, then RAMP segment.
Zymos
dumbledog wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Arrived, thanks to Matt thumbs up



How does the caramel apple taste? The dog the one that came with my Blinds so I imagine it must be pretty tasty.


What?! And destroy the resale value? All toys must be kept safely in the box, not eaten!
Trooper
Mr. Green smells a bit wooden
evileye0702
I own a MATHs, Quadra + Expanders, Batumi, Peaks, O&C, Dual ADSR and Propagate but it didn't keep me from ordering a Stages. The only one I'd even think about selling after I get Stages is the Propagate but that's pretty doubtful.

It did keep me from ordering a second Batumi though, for now. lol
digable-me


Stages arrived from London Modular, and Blinds arrived from someone here on the forum.

I've only had it all plugged in for a couple of hours, but I have to say, Tides+Blinds+Stages+Marbles is most incredibly powerful and open-ended modulation centre I could possibly imagine in a 6U setup. In the patch in the picture I have a four stage sequence in Stages, clocked by Marbles, with two of the stages being modulated by Tides via Blinds, being fed back to another segment of Stages which is acting as a sample and hold, being clocked by another Marbles output, before going to a quantizer and then on to Rings. That still leaves me with another segment free to act as an LFO. It's insane and I love it.
cptnal
Soooo jealous.... Mr. Green
leftbracket
I've been wondering what will round out my rack's CV battery for ages, but now I think I can finally put that to rest. Everything about this design exudes class and flexibility.
gonkulator
Dammit, why did I look at DivKid's demo?
Trooper
Just a first, quick test with 3 settings, all sequenced by marbles

this thing is simply f a n t a s t ic we're not worthy

Catchthehare
Trooper wrote:
Just a first, quick test with 3 settings, all sequenced by marbles

this thing is simply f a n t a s t ic we're not worthy


Your demo is pretty fantastic too. SlayerBadger!
Trooper
thank you, was done in 30 minutes...it's a breeze to work with that module thumbs up
anosou
I couldn't help myself. After two days with Stages, I ordered a second one. Time for chaining! Guinness ftw!
exper
Anyone in the US get theirs yet?
CaptainRockout
exper wrote:
Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


Psh... I'm still waiting on marbles! cry
Chopper
Olivier, if you have somewhere a demo of 2 or more stages then bring it on! It's gearporn time!
mateo
CaptainRockout wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


Psh... I'm still waiting on marbles! cry


Pfff... I'm still waiting on plaits sad banana
CaptainRockout
mateo wrote:
CaptainRockout wrote:
exper wrote:
Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


Psh... I'm still waiting on marbles! cry


Pfff... I'm still waiting on plaits sad banana


Arg... That's rough. I promise it will be worth the wait though! Olivier is killing it with these modules. I'll pick up a second Plaits later on.
jarcorbo
exper wrote:
Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


I just got mine! I live in Portland so I preordered from control voltage and picked it up today. About to fire it up for a test run!
MossGarden
Ordered It's peanut butter jelly time!

This thing looks fantastic!
SB-SIX
I'm not easily a fanboy but this is really genious. This is what modular is all about for me, easy-to-grasp concepts with huge possibilities. Just watched to through the 1 hour divkid vid, really stoked about this.
0netwo0netwo
does it output in negative voltages or are they just 0 and above??
pichenettes
It can output negative voltages whenever it needs to (for example when you send negative voltage to the CV input of a HOLD or STEP segment).
0netwo0netwo
great, so the voltage output by Stages is dependent "sometimes" on what is being fed into the CV control?
pichenettes
If a segment is configure as a ramp, the CV controls the time. If the segment is configured as a flat segment (timed or stepped), the CV controls its amplitude.
0netwo0netwo
thanks, Have a good day!
High Wolf
pichenettes wrote:
It can output negative voltages whenever it needs to (for example when you send negative voltage to the CV input of a HOLD or STEP segment).


Can it output negative voltage without anything plugged in?
pichenettes
No. If the sliders went from negative to positive there would be two issues:
1/ it would be difficult to dial zero.
2/ -8V to +8V over 26mm would make it twice as hard to reach a specific voltage/position.
Trooper
did a little "comparison" vs the NG

this is my very personal view, everybody may see it other ways wink

kurodama
Not sure how much sense it makes to compare a LPG like the Natural Gate and an CV generator like Stages. I mean, they are involved in the creation similar results, but they're really totally different. Feels like apples and oranges to me.
The HIT input on the Natural Gate is actually what you use to trigger it. How do you have the things patched btw? What VCA/VCF are you using with Stages?
brandonlogic
Trooper wrote:
did a little "comparison" vs the NG

this is my very personal view, everybody may see it other ways wink


kurodama wrote:
Not sure how much sense it makes to compare a LPG like the Natural Gate and an CV generator like Stages. I mean, they are involved in the creation similar results, but they're really totally different. Feels like apples and oranges to me.
The HIT input on the Natural Gate is actually what you use to trigger it. How do you have the things patched btw? What VCA/VCF are you using with Stages?


also confused by the "vs"
whats the reason for a comparison between two modules that serve completely different functions? NG would make more sense to compare against other LPG's. and stages against other cv generators/complex envelope generators.

but this it like comparing make noise maths against mutable rings or something seriously, i just don't get it
Trooper
I used the same Gate and the Output cable on both, i tried the Hit, but with similar results, perhaps with an additional input, not tested yet.

But as i said, everyone can see it other ways, for me it's not a problem.
Maybe for you it's apples and oranges, for me it was a bit enlightning.
Maybe on some special sounds or combinations it may sound better, i am not a tester and don't want to spend days with that. I am sure there will be real "tests" from others which can do that much more professional, perhaps this will make you feel better.

@brandonlogic ök, i removed the vs, maybe it sounds to brutal.
perhaps because i have both, perhaps because they bring very similar results for me. Comparing it to my other LPGs is useless for me, because none of them has only a little bit of a chance. wink


And i don't want to discuss what else i should have done or left.
It's only my personal view, the conclusions anybody may have, is his beer wink
greenanother
Homer Simpson
CaptainRockout
Sometimes I think people are way too quick to shoot down a post or question comparing modules as being "apples and oranges," although in the case of the NG, I thought it was an odd comparison as well. Great video though and always interesting to get a glimpse into someone else's thought process.

As for the "apples and oranges" argument, I believe most of the time it's a problem of lacking context. IMO, it's perfectly acceptable for someone to compare Maths with Stages or Quadra with Stages, etc. Usually when they are asking, it's because they are interested in the areas where they overlap, such as using them as an envelope generator or LFO. Given all the areas where they don't overlap, I can see where it's a tough choice for someone who might be hp or fund limited and hasn't had much experience with the modules. This is why we need the people who are asking to share what they plan to use the module for, what else they have, etc. because the choice depends on a lot of factors. Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty hard to compare. Sure, they might both do A, but one can do B, C, and D and the other can do E and F. It generates great discussion though about the pros/cons, different uses, etc. and to me that's the real value of asking. I'm in a boat where I have a Dual ADSR, Quadra, Maths, and soon to be Stages. The answer is always "both" around here, but that just leads to a collection that starts to grow out of hand. There's so many great modules out there, but if I can find a way to cut one out, I probably will.

Back to the NG though... I suppose one way you could compare an LPG to something like Stages is to use Stages envelopes to control a filter and VCA to mimic an LPG. With all the awesome shaping options that Stages has, I bet you can get a pretty convincing LPG sound.
greenanother
CaptainRockout wrote:
Back to the NG though... I suppose one way you could compare an LPG to something like Stages is to use Stages envelopes to control a filter and VCA to mimic an LPG. With all the awesome shaping options that Stages has, I bet you can get a pretty convincing LPG sound.


This
brandonlogic
greenanother wrote:
CaptainRockout wrote:
Back to the NG though... I suppose one way you could compare an LPG to something like Stages is to use Stages envelopes to control a filter and VCA to mimic an LPG. With all the awesome shaping options that Stages has, I bet you can get a pretty convincing LPG sound.


This


sure trying to emulate a LPG with other modules is kind of an interesting topic. you dont need a very complex envelope for that though IMO
CaptainRockout
brandonlogic wrote:
sure trying to emulate a LPG with other modules is kind of an interesting topic. you dont need a very complex envelope for that though IMO


True that! I've been able to get plenty of satisfying plucks from my Atlantis with a short decay. The awesome thing about Stages is the ability to vary the curve to find sweet spots. That's one thing I love about Maths too, excerpt that varying the cure also varies the speed/length. Sometimes that's good, other times I wish it didn't.
Funky40
greenanother wrote:
CaptainRockout wrote:
Back to the NG though... I suppose one way you could compare an LPG to something like Stages is to use Stages envelopes to control a filter and VCA to mimic an LPG. With all the awesome shaping options that Stages has, I bet you can get a pretty convincing LPG sound.


This

+1
makes sense to me to compare the "musicality" of the AD of stages to the NG.
personally i was never able to mimic the musicaclity of a LPG with a AD Envelope. ( don´t have a Stages )


.......but i was VERY much into patching LPGs and was able to somehow control their pluck by conditioning the trigger by abusing a Doepfer 143-2 ( the quad adsr) as a trigger conditioner plus a gainstage afterwards ( Fonik/Grenader LPG circuits which needed a trigger with lots of gain / a thing most people were not aware. The big selling LPG DIY PCB ( forgot the name) was the same circuit afaik ))


NG was a door for me to get all the goods in a as simple to patch package as possible.
and as simple to acess as possible to change the sound. ( probably a underrated thing )
Trooper
how the hell can i get those bongo'ish sound out of the NG?
i tried sharp and soft envelops as trigger, LFOs and even gates - but nothing hmmm..... .
in the video, no FX this time, is the best result i got out of it, after hours.
the NG has the better, fatter sound, but until now the Stages can sound more bongo'ish
if anybody has a tip or trick how to trigger this thing ? seriously, i just don't get it
CaptainRockout
Trooper wrote:
how the hell can i get those bongo'ish sound out of the NG?
i tried sharp and soft envelops as trigger, LFOs and even gates - but nothing hmmm..... .
in the video, no FX this time, is the best result i got out of it, after hours.
the NG has the better, fatter sound, but until now the Stages can sound more bongo'ish
if anybody has a tip or trick how to trigger this thing ? seriously, i just don't get it



I'd try taking this to a thread specifically on the NG. From the videos I've seen of it, it's practically a bongo machine. Hope you can get it sorted out!
buzzbuzz
Trooper wrote:
how the hell can i get those bongo'ish sound out of the NG?
i tried sharp and soft envelops as trigger, LFOs and even gates - but nothing hmmm..... .
in the video, no FX this time, is the best result i got out of it, after hours.
the NG has the better, fatter sound, but until now the Stages can sound more bongo'ish
if anybody has a tip or trick how to trigger this thing ? seriously, i just don't get it



Set open dials to 12 o'clock, open/decay sliders all the way down. Start with a trigger or gate to hit.
Trooper
Thanks for the answers, i will try it.
Sorry for asking at the wrong place, but theres the half video with the Stages, so i thought it would be interesting too.
MossGarden
A BSP+Marbles+Stages led patch.

Nagasaki45
Hi all!

Do you know if 2 stages (out of 6, not 2 modules, haha) can operate as a voltage controlled switch? Like one side of a doepfer A-150?

Let's say a gate signal is patched to gate input 5, two CV signals go to CV inputs 5 and 6. Stage 5 is set to looping hold and stage 6 to hold. Now, when the gate is high the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 5, and when the gate goes low, the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 6. But! Will the CV into stage 6 will still run through after the hold time finishes?

Hope that the question is clear...

Thanks!
Tom
kurodama
It's true that maybe saying "apples and oranges" is way to easy, I acknowledge that. Which is why I had asked for more context, which ideed is crucial.
Since Stages does neither act as a VCA nor as a VCF it's pretty important to include the used modules in the description, and depending on what you use the result might or might not be similar.
This said, you can use the NG as just an envelope generator (it's DC coupled and the input it normalled to a constant voltage) and can also use it with Stages by patching the AD envelope into the NG's control CV input.

Quote:
Let's say a gate signal is patched to gate input 5, two CV signals go to CV inputs 5 and 6. Stage 5 is set to looping hold and stage 6 to hold. Now, when the gate is high the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 5, and when the gate goes low, the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 6. But! Will the CV into stage 6 will still run through after the hold time finishes?


it shoudl work, at least one of the examples in the manual is described in a similar way:
Quote:
A 5-note sequence. Modify the loop points to loop on a subset of this sequence. Patch external voltages into the CV inputs of each stage, to turn this into a 5-stage sequential switch.
digable-me
Nagasaki45 wrote:
Hi all!

Do you know if 2 stages (out of 6, not 2 modules, haha) can operate as a voltage controlled switch? Like one side of a doepfer A-150?

Let's say a gate signal is patched to gate input 5, two CV signals go to CV inputs 5 and 6. Stage 5 is set to looping hold and stage 6 to hold. Now, when the gate is high the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 5, and when the gate goes low, the output from stage 5 is the CV into stage 6. But! Will the CV into stage 6 will still run through after the hold time finishes?

Hope that the question is clear...

Thanks!
Tom


I think I understand your question, and I think the answer is that it would work if you make the second segment a step segment. So, when the gate is high it stays on the first segment, then the gate goes low so it advances to the second segment, then it stays on that segment until it receives the next gate.
Nagasaki45
digable-me wrote:
I think I understand your question, and I think the answer is that it would work if you make the second segment a step segment. So, when the gate is high it stays on the first segment, then the gate goes low so it advances to the second segment, then it stays on that segment until it receives the next gate.


Sounds about right. Thanks a lot!
oslin007
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?
greenanother
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?


Funny, I was almost ready to but a Batumi before this came out. Now...no.
starthief
Batumi is something that was recommended to me early on, and I kept considering it and never got one -- I always found envelopes more important for the styles of music I was making. And usually I had spare VCOs that could do LFO duty as well.

While I use LFOs more now that I skew more toward drones and slow dark ambient stuff, if it came down to a choice between a Batumi and a second Stages, I'd pick the Stages.

As dedicated LFO modules go, Wobbler seems like the most interesting one out there now. Just one LFO (with a second phase output) but some cool models that seem especially rhythm-friendly.
Ras Thavas
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?


Lots of overlap, but Batumi does offer the smoothed random voltages through its expert mode in place of the sawtooth outputs. I find a LOT of use for having 4 smoothed random voltages in place of the predictable sine "up and down".
nolongerhuman
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?


Simultaneous different waveform outputs, easy access to negative voltages without CV input, smoothed random, less HP, quite a few reasons I’d think.

I definitely see it as a both not an either or.
Trebbers
Not to mention the divide, phase, and quadrature modes.
oldenjon
nolongerhuman wrote:
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?


Simultaneous different waveform outputs, easy access to negative voltages without CV input, smoothed random, less HP, quite a few reasons I’d think.

I definitely see it as a both not an either or.

You get two more LFOs with stages. I think you could emulate a smooth random with a bit of help too. There will probably be Parasite firmware for this one, so it could potentially have more overlap with Batumi. Either way, I'd probably pick Stages if in an either or situation.
anosou
Ras Thavas wrote:
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?


Lots of overlap, but Batumi does offer the smoothed random voltages through its expert mode in place of the sawtooth outputs. I find a LOT of use for having 4 smoothed random voltages in place of the predictable sine "up and down".


Batumi has some useful stuff still. Bipolar outputs, the phase and divide modes, smooth and stepped random etc.
nectarios
oslin007 wrote:
Any Sense in buyimg a batumi now that this is out?

Yes, you can set Batumi to take care of LFO stuff and leave the Stages do "Stagey" stuff.

Ordered Stages, already have Maths, Batumi, PEG, Function and Voltage Block, all modules that have more or less, some overlap with Stages.

I don't have one yet (should be here this week) but at the moment, I see Stages as a module that is going to help me understand and get better at creating complex modulation signals, the joy of creating them from the ground up but also be a great module to use as a switch to mix its own and the CV generated by the afformentioned modules.
MossGarden
I have batumi which is my main LFO, but purchased stages specifically for envelopes. I've only had a weekend so far with stages, but the two get along fine for me, if I ever need to overlap functions I can, but at the moment things have specific uses.
Patate le mage


A little patch for some Mutabirds
cptnal
Sweet.

Check out my MG (link in sig). Can you tell what's arriving by courier tomorrow? hyper
Zymos
For those waiting on Detroit Modular, they said they <might> be able to ship by the end of this week.
VZvision
Early stages users....have a few questions regarding the shape control of a given ramp segment on stages:

1. Can someone tell me how pronounced the log/expo shapes on a ramp segment are? (i.e. with time high, are full CW and full CCW on a ramp segment's pot really heavy log and heavy expo curves?

2. Scope shots of #1 would be awesome if someone could oblige nanners

3. Is the pot's full travel a continuous shape control? i.e. does it move continuously from log to linear to expo or are there defined shapes that it jumps to along the pot's travel?

4. No direct CV control over shape I take it other than indirectly through time/level?

Thx in advance for the answers if you have em thumbs up
erstlaub
VZvision wrote:
Early stages users....have a few questions regarding the shape control of a given ramp segment on stages:

1. Can someone tell me how pronounced the log/expo shapes on a ramp segment are? (i.e. with time high, are full CW and full CCW on a ramp segment's pot really heavy log and heavy expo curves?

2. Scope shots of #1 would be awesome if someone could oblige nanners

3. Is the pot's full travel a continuous shape control? i.e. does it move continuously from log to linear to expo or are there defined shapes that it jumps to along the pot's travel?

4. No direct CV control over shape I take it other than indirectly through time/level?

Thx in advance for the answers if you have em thumbs up


1-2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeJluwfoUI&t=5s

3. It's smooth between the shapes

4. Yeah, fraid not.
VZvision
erstlaub wrote:
VZvision wrote:
Early stages users....have a few questions regarding the shape control of a given ramp segment on stages:

1. Can someone tell me how pronounced the log/expo shapes on a ramp segment are? (i.e. with time high, are full CW and full CCW on a ramp segment's pot really heavy log and heavy expo curves?

2. Scope shots of #1 would be awesome if someone could oblige nanners

3. Is the pot's full travel a continuous shape control? i.e. does it move continuously from log to linear to expo or are there defined shapes that it jumps to along the pot's travel?

4. No direct CV control over shape I take it other than indirectly through time/level?

Thx in advance for the answers if you have em thumbs up


1-2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeJluwfoUI&t=5s

3. It's smooth between the shapes

4. Yeah, fraid not.


Thanks a million for the quick response. Everything I needed in one package thumbs up
Carrousel
Finally got my head round exactly what this does and how.

Olivier is a true genius. I see this as progression from Serge patchability in the digital age.

The modulation source has been truly 'atomised'....you now just have a set of building blocks which can function independently or coherently as anything from a function segment, a clockable LFO, a slewed external source or a sequence segment. All this can be influenced by or 'swapped out' at will for other external signals (so VC switch is another function to add...).

Now THAT is the most revolutionary thing to happen in Eurorack since I've been in the game.

Big ups.
Foghorn
Regardless of how awesome Stages is, Batumi is still very useful.
I think that self patching the Batumi is very useful.
A simple sine channel FM'ing a second sine channel adds some real mod spice to any patch.
So, Both

EDIT: Patiently waiting in the US
Any word on when PCA is sending out their first shipments?


Foghorn
cptnal
Raven_Martin wrote:
Finally got my head round exactly what this does and how.

Olivier is a true genius. I see this as progression from Serge patchability in the digital age.

The modulation source has been truly 'atomised'....you now just have a set of building blocks which can function independently or coherently as anything from a function segment, a clockable LFO, a slewed external source or a sequence segment. All this can be influenced by or 'swapped out' at will for other external signals (so VC switch is another function to add...).

Now THAT is the most revolutionary thing to happen in Eurorack since I've been in the game.

Big ups.


woah Calm down, dear. hihi

But I agree, there's some clever stuff going on here. One simple idea multiplied by 6 adds up to more than the sum of its parts... hmmm.....
pseudopatch
Zymos wrote:
For those waiting on Detroit Modular, they said they <might> be able to ship by the end of this week.


got mine at control yesterday - regarding the batumi replacement... jee, what if stages can replace my maths? d'oh!
intuitionnyc
I think there is definitely a place for Maths and Batumi (as well as other modules). I don't think Stages is the "be all end all" in the modular game. I DO think if you are looking to maximize your modulation and the flexibility within a small amount of hp (relative of course), then Stages is probably the first stop. But I'm a happy owner of Maths, Batumi and Stages and love them all. It just depends on what application.

For smaller systems though, I think Stages is a no-brainer. Definitely has my vote for the best of their new modules (and possibly the best of any Mutable module). I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.
MossGarden
intuitionnyc wrote:
I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.


That could be down to people often overlooking the importance of interesting CV sources/utilities and going straight into the meat and potatoes, if you have no seasoning, yer meat and potatoes are boring. Guinness ftw!
cptnal
MossGarden wrote:
intuitionnyc wrote:
I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.


That could be down to people often overlooking the importance of interesting CV sources/utilities and going straight into the meat and potatoes, if you have no seasoning, yer meat and potatoes are boring. Guinness ftw!


Apparently some people aren't into patching. seriously, i just don't get it
yeatsvisitslincoln
While I was shocked it's not sold out, I've been living under a rock for a couple weeks, so I'm super stoked that I could just up and order one this morning.

Has anyone uploaded any videos or done anything with the v/o tracking that was mentioned way back?
REVIVER
Could also be that a lot of people are still feeling a bit of whiplash after the 1-2 punch of Plaits & Marbles.

I know that I wasn't exactly prepared to throw down for another module so soon (I generally only buy 2 or 3 a year), but I certainly wasn't about to hesitate either.

This is probably a good thing for those who might want to immediately level-up to chain more Stages...which they presumably won't need to wait for the next batch to do.
dumbledog
Lot of folks already dropped like $600+ on Plaits and Marbles in the last month or so, folks need time for their wallets to recover
guestt
Yeah... also lots of folk holding onto cash for Superbooth announcements and releases over the next couple of weeks!
sharkminusbear
dumbledog wrote:
Lot of folks already dropped like $600+ on Plaits and Marbles in the last month or so, folks need time for their wallets to recover


This statement is accurate and the only reason I am hesitating d'oh!
starthief
I'm thinking about switching a couple of my envelopes for a second Stages -- more likely to keep one in each case than to chain them -- but have multiple reasons to wait, all of which interact.

-- Incoming gear I've preordered, and soon-to-be-released gear I've planned for (which includes a sequencer and modulation capabilities)
-- Already spending this month
-- Deciding which of several controller/modulation options I want in my small remaining space
-- Deciding what else to let go of (probably not much at this point)
-- Superbooth
evileye0702
I was fortunate in that I'd been clearing out a lot of modules for space and cash over the last two months in an effort to better define my system and eliminating redundancies.

Plaits essentially replaced Braids and Tides, for me. I didn't have much interest in Marbles because I've already invested and love Sapel.

I have my eye on another modulation source and was about to pull the trigger on a second Batumi when Stages was announced. Stages made more sense because of the versatility.

Now I have one big space/cash available for a Super Booth announcement which I'm reasonably certain will go to Hexinverter's Mind Phaser. At this point I think I have a very decent set of "support" modules and the only additions I'll likely make are unique sound sources or processing "fx".
intuitionnyc
dumbledog wrote:
Lot of folks already dropped like $600+ on Plaits and Marbles in the last month or so, folks need time for their wallets to recover


Great point
nolongerhuman
After much procrastinating... preordered. There’s just nothing else out there quite like this.
Trooper
I will get me a second one, there are still plans flying through my brain what i could do with two... we're not worthy

Only where getting place for it is still a minor problem... seriously, i just don't get it
nectarios
evileye0702 wrote:

Plaits essentially replaced Braids and Tides, for me. I didn't have much interest in Marbles because I've already invested and love Sapel.


I am the opposite, keeping uBraids instead of getting Plaits and I had a Sapel on loan with an option of buying it, but after checking Marbles out, I let Sapel go back. Of course they are different things with some overlap, but Marbles is def the more "muscial" random of the two and I have a discount at my local shop and for the price of Sapel (which is brilliant really, just too much cash) I can get both Marbles and Stages.

Stages is on its way, I am just waiting for Superbooth before I order Marbles as well.
cptnal
Cool things they don't tell you about Stages #1 (feel free to contribute more): It keeps its button settings after a reboot. Maybe that's a given, but I thought it was cool. thumbs up
reodjectz
cptnal wrote:
MossGarden wrote:
intuitionnyc wrote:
I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.


That could be down to people often overlooking the importance of interesting CV sources/utilities and going straight into the meat and potatoes, if you have no seasoning, yer meat and potatoes are boring. Guinness ftw!


Apparently some people aren't into patching. seriously, i just don't get it


I think you're on to something here - And when it comes to MI 'fans' a lot of people are using the internal envelopes and triggering from their computers....
guestt
I totally took advantage of the 'slow' sales sold a couple of less used modules and picked up another Stages - two of these together is immense - going to be loads of fun!

Just for giggles I am going to set up a 12 stage envelope!

Has anyone gone for more than 2? Anyone gone all out and maxed out at 6?
anosou
Baddcr wrote:
I totally took advantage of the 'slow' sales sold a couple of less used modules and picked up another Stages - two of these together is immense - going to be loads of fun!

Just for giggles I am going to set up a 12 stage envelope!

Has anyone gone for more than 2? Anyone gone all out and maxed out at 6?


I've got two as well, which was a really good decision. Found myself running out of stages with just one REAL quick once you realized all it could do. Using it in the "mostly Mutable" half of my two rack set-up.

cptnal
Baddcr wrote:
I totally took advantage of the 'slow' sales sold a couple of less used modules and picked up another Stages - two of these together is immense - going to be loads of fun!

Just for giggles I am going to set up a 12 stage envelope!

Has anyone gone for more than 2? Anyone gone all out and maxed out at 6?


I experimented with uber-envelopes, but even with the scope I found it hard to keep track of what was going on. nuts
leftbracket
MossGarden wrote:
intuitionnyc wrote:
I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.


That could be down to people often overlooking the importance of interesting CV sources/utilities and going straight into the meat and potatoes, if you have no seasoning, yer meat and potatoes are boring. Guinness ftw!


Are quality CV sources not meat and potatoes themselves? I guess they aren't to a decent amount of people. sad banana
dumbledog
Detroit just sent me a tracking number, for those of you waiting on them.
evileye0702
dumbledog wrote:
Detroit just sent me a tracking number, for those of you waiting on them.


Got mine too
behndy
niiiiiice! haven't received mines yet, but that is SEXY TIME GOOD NEWS.
Zymos
evileye0702 wrote:
dumbledog wrote:
Detroit just sent me a tracking number, for those of you waiting on them.


Got mine too


And, in the most fascinating and useful post you will read today, so did I. w00t
zoneswithoutpeople
I've read the manual and watched some of the videos, and this module just seems a bit confusing / hard to get my head around. Everyone seems to be really excited about it but I can't fully see why. Could someone explain to me how this is better than a dedicated EG or sequencer? Is it the way that each stage can be re-configured on the fly? Just seems like a lot of HP for a few envelopes.
gringostar
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:
I've read the manual and watched some of the videos, and this module just seems a bit confusing / hard to get my head around. Everyone seems to be really excited about it but I can't fully see why. Could someone explain to me how this is better than a dedicated EG or sequencer? Is it the way that each stage can be re-configured on the fly? Just seems like a lot of HP for a few envelopes.


It's this.

I might be wrong here but my understanding is that it's basically a 6 LFO Batumi that can also be configured into a 6 stage envelope or sequencer or any combination of any of those in 14 HP that can be chained together.
starthief
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:
I've read the manual and watched some of the videos, and this module just seems a bit confusing / hard to get my head around. Everyone seems to be really excited about it but I can't fully see why. Could someone explain to me how this is better than a dedicated EG or sequencer? Is it the way that each stage can be re-configured on the fly? Just seems like a lot of HP for a few envelopes.


In some ways it's not better than a (good, full-featured) dedicated EG or sequencer; in other ways it absolutely is.

Its main feature is flexibility. If you want it to be a 6-segment envelope, where you can put the sustain at any stage (or none) and add timed "hold" segments for delays or other reasons, you can do that. If you want 6 LFOs, it'll do that. If you want it to be 2 LFOs, an AD envelope, a D envelope and a manual CV fader, it'll do that. If you want a 4-step sequential switch, a sample and hold, and a CV delay it'll do that.

And you can combine segment types within a section, so you have a step sequencer that acts like an envelope, LFO, sequential switch, or S+H on some steps. smile Instead of ADSR, make it an AD(LFO)R...
Bob Borries
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:
I've read the manual and watched some of the videos, and this module just seems a bit confusing / hard to get my head around. Everyone seems to be really excited about it but I can't fully see why. Could someone explain to me how this is better than a dedicated EG or sequencer? Is it the way that each stage can be re-configured on the fly? Just seems like a lot of HP for a few envelopes.


The answer is the freedom of possibilities. This is a simple explanation, but this module actually has many more creative possibilities.

Mutable Instruments could have designed one knob to select 10 different modes of operation…
    01) 6 Decay Envelopes
    02) 6 LFO’s
    03) 5 Step Sequencer
    04) 3 Step Sequencer with 3 Slew Slopes
    05) 3 AD Envelopes
    06) 3 Decay Envelopes and 3 LFO’s
    07) 2 ASR Envelopes
    08) 1 ADSR Envelope and 1 AD Envelope
    09) 1 ADSR Envelope and 2 LFO’s
    10) 1 Delay Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release Envelope

But they didn’t, instead…

You create your own modes with patch cables and button pushes, making it more versatile than having a limited selection of modes. Push the segment button to change it’s method of operation and LED color. Green is Ramp, Yellow is Step and Red is Hold. Hold the segment button to loop it and the LED blinks.

Each Gate you patch controls an envelope and just below the gate input lies the main envelope output. The other outputs are End of segment stages. Best of all you get to voltage control each segment.

It’s an elegant design of freedom and creativity, especially when you have more than one module expanding the segments.
behndy
well said. i'm super excited to explore them.

woooot! mines has shippppppppped from DetMod as well.
zoneswithoutpeople
@Bob Borries, that does sound pretty cool actually. I guess I just feel like with so many functions it might be difficult at a glance to see what the thing is actually doing or outputting. It's just a different way of looking at modulation than I'm used to, but I'm sure I'd get the hang of it if I actually had one.

I already have a Maths, PEG, Stillson mk2 and Batumi in a Tiptop Mantis, so I'm not sure if there's space or a need for it in my rack, but maybe in the future when I inevitably expand to 12u. Has anyone replaced one of these 4 modules with a Stages and been happy with their decision?
cptnal
Bob Borries wrote:
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:
I've read the manual and watched some of the videos, and this module just seems a bit confusing / hard to get my head around. Everyone seems to be really excited about it but I can't fully see why. Could someone explain to me how this is better than a dedicated EG or sequencer? Is it the way that each stage can be re-configured on the fly? Just seems like a lot of HP for a few envelopes.


The answer is the freedom of possibilities. This is a simple explanation, but this module actually has many more creative possibilities.

Mutable Instruments could have designed one knob to select 10 different modes of operation…
    01) 6 Decay Envelopes
    02) 6 LFO’s
    03) 5 Step Sequencer
    04) 3 Step Sequencer with 3 Slew Slopes
    05) 3 AD Envelopes
    06) 3 Decay Envelopes and 3 LFO’s
    07) 2 ASR Envelopes
    08) 1 ADSR Envelope and 1 AD Envelope
    09) 1 ADSR Envelope and 2 LFO’s
    10) 1 Delay Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release Envelope

But they didn’t, instead…

You create your own modes with patch cables and button pushes, making it more versatile than having a limited selection of modes. Push the segment button to change it’s method of operation and LED color. Green is Ramp, Yellow is Step and Red is Hold. Hold the segment button to loop it and the LED blinks.

Each Gate you patch controls an envelope and just below the gate input lies the main envelope output. The other outputs are End of segment stages. Best of all you get to voltage control each segment.

It’s an elegant design of freedom and creativity, especially when you have more than one module expanding the segments.


Example: I had a patch going the other day where I was using it as a sample and hold, an LFO, and two AD envelopes. All right, I've got all of them anyway, but in a small case that would be a godsend.

What it brings to my case is more of those things, but not necessarily a dedicated module for any one of them. It's kinda like the Disting effect - "oh no! I've run out of.... no, wait - I have a Stages!" w00t
boramx
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:

Has anyone replaced one of these 4 modules with a Stages and been happy with their decision?


i think you can come up with cool stuff with what you have rather than a swap.

that said - i think that modules don't really add up to the sum of their functions.

one thing i've learned about modular over the years is that bean-counting functionality isn't very constructive in the long run. stuff you use all the time balances out to design and whether it maps tightly to your ideas and ergonomics etc along with the functions they provide.

we'll see if i really bond with stages - but I loved Tides and Frames so i think Olivier's more creative and open-ended modules are pretty ace. stages is one of the coolest designs for a modulator i've seen in a while.
MARK27
Huh. I never got a shipping notice or anything from Control (I usually do), but nevertheless, Stages just showed up at my house today!

Happy Friday!
hyper
evileye0702
boramx wrote:
zoneswithoutpeople wrote:

Has anyone replaced one of these 4 modules with a Stages and been happy with their decision?


i think you can come up with cool stuff with what you have rather than a swap.

that said - i think that modules don't really add up to the sum of their functions.

one thing i've learned about modular over the years is that bean-counting functionality isn't very constructive in the long run. stuff you use all the time balances out to design and whether it maps tightly to your ideas and ergonomics etc along with the functions they provide.

we'll see if i really bond with stages - but I loved Tides and Frames so i think Olivier's more creative and open-ended modules are pretty ace. stages is one of the coolest designs for a modulator i've seen in a while.


I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. I've really been trying to analyze my modular as a whole lately reducing unnecessary redundancies, filling in functional gaps, narrowing my focus to what I enjoy the most and keeping things ergonomic.

Sometimes a multi-function module is ideal. Sometimes I'd rather have those functions broken out so it is easier to use and I can use both functions at the same time. For example, I own an ornament and crime but really only have it so I can have extra quantizers, envelopes and sequencer. I still keep modules dedicated to those tasks and will generally use the dedicated modules first.

Stages is bit different mostly because I can break the module down into different functions simply by patching. However, it won't cause me to sell my Quadra or Batumi any time soon. It was only because I was looking for additional modulation sources (it never seems like I have enough) that I purchased Stages. It was different enough from my other modulation sources that was a no brainer.

I too appreciate Olivier's approach to module design. While he has some modules I don't care for (Clouds wasn't my cup of tea and Edges really doesn't fit my style) others are things of beauty. I'm big fan of Elements, Frames, Blinds and now Plaits. Stages looks like another I'll be using in every patch. The one thing it might eventually push out is Peaks but the alternative firmware for that, plus the drums keeps it in my rig for now.
dumbledog
All this substitution business aside I'm looking forward to seeing how much of that Maths Illustrated Supplement I can reimplement using Stages and Blinds. Not because I plan on selling my Maths or anything but more as an intellectual exercise and I think it'll be fun. Plus it'll teach me more about both modules, and learning is most of the reason I'm into modular in the first place.
wildfrontiers
dumbledog wrote:
All this substitution business aside I'm looking forward to seeing how much of that Maths Illustrated Supplement I can reimplement using Stages and Blinds. Not because I plan on selling my Maths or anything but more as an intellectual exercise and I think it'll be fun. Plus it'll teach me more about both modules, and learning is most of the reason I'm into modular in the first place.


Stages is ripe for it's own Illustrated Supplement as well.

Has anyone started one yet?
Trooper
I will probably sell my Maths to get place for a second Stages.

Used the Maths mostly for the 2 ADSR and the LFO's, the logic things i did otherwise, so Stages can replace it well.
boramx
while i wait for mine-
questions about clocked lfo mode—


it says multiply and div by 4. do we get all integers between? /2, /3, *2, *3 etc?

will it sorta ‘grab’ 2 or 3 pulses like tides and then generate the rhythm?
Torn n Frayed
wildfrontiers wrote:
dumbledog wrote:
All this substitution business aside I'm looking forward to seeing how much of that Maths Illustrated Supplement I can reimplement using Stages and Blinds. Not because I plan on selling my Maths or anything but more as an intellectual exercise and I think it'll be fun. Plus it'll teach me more about both modules, and learning is most of the reason I'm into modular in the first place.


Stages is ripe for it's own Illustrated Supplement as well.

Has anyone started one yet?


I think it comes with some 'recipes' in the maunal..?
sleepmute
My first and only module, a Shapeshifter, came in this week. I’ve been modulating it with my 0-Coast, which works, but I want to get a dedicated modulation source. I’m thinking of either Maths, Quadra, or Stages. Buying more than one isn’t an option, so any opinions on which would be most useful in a (very) small system? Of course I’d be getting the VCAs to go along with it.
mateo
Aja wrote:
My first and only module, a Shapeshifter, came in this week. I’ve been modulating it with my 0-Coast, which works, but I want to get a dedicated modulation source. I’m thinking of either Maths, Quadra, or Stages. Buying more than one isn’t an option, so any opinions on which would be most useful in a (very) small system? Of course I’d be getting the VCAs to go along with it.


What kind of modulation do you want? Lfos, envelopes, step sequences? Something more complex? And how many signals do you want to generate?

The quadra is probably the least flexible, but is the only one that can generate 4 AR/AHR envelopes.

The math shines best when feeding it other modulation sources, as it can slew, mix, and perform analog logic.

Stages can generate the most individual signals, and the most complex, but you trade off between the two and you'll need a mixer to get the most out of it.
sleepmute
That’s a good question. I’m not entirely sure. I probably don’t need four envelopes off the bat, but I think I could make use of three or four LFOs. I also tend to like more square and ramp shaped LFOs as opposed to sines or triangles, so maybe Quadra’s not the best bet since it can’t do square shapes.
evileye0702
Aja wrote:
That’s a good question. I’m not entirely sure. I probably don’t need four envelopes off the bat, but I think I could make use of three or four LFOs. I also tend to like more square and ramp shaped LFOs as opposed to sines or triangles, so maybe Quadra’s not the best bet since it can’t do square shapes.


You might want to look at Batumi as well. Stages will likely be the most flexible but a little less immediate. The phase shifting and division modes on the Batumi really lend itself to nice LFO modulation.
mateo
Aja wrote:
That’s a good question. I’m not entirely sure. I probably don’t need four envelopes off the bat, but I think I could make use of three or four LFOs. I also tend to like more square and ramp shaped LFOs as opposed to sines or triangles, so maybe Quadra’s not the best bet since it can’t do square shapes.


It does sound like stages is a good choice then!
nectarios
One O+C less but still have two. Will keep the PEG too due to sheer ease of use.


Muse FTW
I've only had one session with it so far but it's already one of the most intuitive and impressive modules I've ever used. I really love the workflow and it's insanely powerful especially when self-patching. Definitely getting a second one.

Well done Mutable! we're not worthy
Umcorps
FWIW I've just swapped out an old and much loved/used Quadra for Stages in my small system.

For years Quadra has been my go to source in this rack for envelopes, clocks and simple LFO modulation shapes. But as I seldom use more than 2 of the Quadra out puts as actual envelopes, Stages looked like it offered more flexibility in a very similar space.

Only arrived this morning so very early days but my immediate reactions are that this was a good call.
denuir
Any word on PCA shipments?
CaptainRockout
denuir wrote:
Any word on PCA shipments?


Not yet. Glad I bought my two from different places. Received my first one from Detroit Modular just a few hours ago, but still haven't gotten a shipping notification from PCA. I love PCA and buy most of my modules from them, but I have learned that they tend to be slower with pre-orders. I recall it being mentioned that for MI in particular, smaller shops tend to get their orders first. Gotta support the Mom and Pop shops thumbs up
nectarios
This module is extremely addictive.
There is a massive amount of precision to be had as well.

Brilliant applause
david_r
sorry if i missed it earlier, is this the first time MI has put slider interface to a module?
danishchairs
I passed two small rights of passage today after Stages arrived:

1) I had to remove a couple of modules from my case to make room for Stages. (I think I need another (or a bigger) case.)

2) I dropped a plastic washer somewhere in/near the case while trying to install a module and couldn’t find it. (I’m glad it’s non-conductive.)

Mostly, though, gratitude:
Thank you, Dan at Detroit Modular, for selling, packing, shipping and all the things you do for your customers! applause
Thank you, all the Post Office folks who handled and delivered the module (two days early)! applause
Thank you, Olivier and everyone else at Mutable Instruments, for making this very cool module! applause

This will take some time (so to speak), to explore the possibilities.

Oh, and thank you for the Ganesh!
mgscheue
intuitionnyc wrote:
I'm actually SHOCKED this module is not sold out everywhere like Plaits.


I went to Detroit Modular yesterday to pick up my Stages and spent some time chatting with Trent. He told me they got a much larger first shipment of Stages than Plaits and Marbles. Plaits was especially low because they got fewer than expected due to the QC problem in the first batch.
digable-me
Yesterday I was patching using Stages and encountered the following scenario:

I was patching right to left, as told, and I had three free running LFOs on segments 4, 5, and 6. I then decided I wanted a three step sequencer from segments 1, 2, and 3. So I patch into the gate input of segment 1. But of course, I have to patch dummies into the gate inputs of segments 4, 5, 6, in order to separate them. But now, the LFOs don't run, because they are expecting clocks on the gate inputs.

The solution was the swap the whole thing around, so that I had my three step sequence on 4, 5, and 6, and my LFOs on 1, 2, 3. That way, I don't need to patch dummies to separate the LFOs.

Obviously, it's not a big deal. And I don't see any way around it. And I'm absolutely loving Stages generally. But it was a little bit of a workflow killer.

Maybe in future I should always patch from the right, except free-running LFOs, which I should patch from the left.
MoogCloud
wildfrontiers wrote:
dumbledog wrote:
All this substitution business aside I'm looking forward to seeing how much of that Maths Illustrated Supplement I can reimplement using Stages and Blinds. Not because I plan on selling my Maths or anything but more as an intellectual exercise and I think it'll be fun. Plus it'll teach me more about both modules, and learning is most of the reason I'm into modular in the first place.


Stages is ripe for it's own Illustrated Supplement as well.

Has anyone started one yet?


Great idea. I'll be looking out for the Stages Illustrated Supplement*. w00t
DonKartofflo
Learning curve like a mofo but its so GOOD
khyber
Just ordered 2 stages, going to make some massive stage envelopes <3
cptnal
digable-me wrote:
Yesterday I was patching using Stages and encountered the following scenario:

I was patching right to left, as told, and I had three free running LFOs on segments 4, 5, and 6. I then decided I wanted a three step sequencer from segments 1, 2, and 3. So I patch into the gate input of segment 1. But of course, I have to patch dummies into the gate inputs of segments 4, 5, 6, in order to separate them. But now, the LFOs don't run, because they are expecting clocks on the gate inputs.

The solution was the swap the whole thing around, so that I had my three step sequence on 4, 5, and 6, and my LFOs on 1, 2, 3. That way, I don't need to patch dummies to separate the LFOs.

Obviously, it's not a big deal. And I don't see any way around it. And I'm absolutely loving Stages generally. But it was a little bit of a workflow killer.

Maybe in future I should always patch from the right, except free-running LFOs, which I should patch from the left.


I found similar. I reckon when you have this situation it's expecting the adjacent LFOs to be grouped.
pichenettes
The "patch from right to left" advice is for triggered/gated operation.

If you want a free-running function (LFO, slew or delay), you'd better take it from the left.
digable-me
pichenettes wrote:
The "patch from right to left" advice is for triggered/gated operation.

If you want a free-running function (LFO, slew or delay), you'd better take it from the left.


Nice one.
behndy
woooooooooooo!



also, are the toys themed? Ganesh for control because ALL THAT REACH? the dice with Marbles for probability?
GreetDeath
PCA now says in stock, so hopefully I'll get my tracking e-mail shortly. Marbles has opened up so much, can't wait for Stages to arrive. It's been difficult to resist ordering a 2nd while I wait.
rnordac
For single segments in Step or Hold mode, is there a difference in behavior when set between looping or non-looping?
CaptainRockout
Just got my shipping notification from PCA. My second Stages is on the way!
dumbledog
Just received mine. Haven't had a chance to install it yet (Tater gets his dog park time first), but uh... did I win the lottery with this toy cuz I swear it's hand-painted

Torn n Frayed
dumbledog wrote:
Just received mine. Haven't had a chance to install it yet (Tater gets his dog park time first), but uh... did I win the lottery with this toy cuz I swear it's hand-painted



Yes, I think so I have the same one but it has minor differences in the painting..
behndy
have only used it as a 12 stage sequencer and as a sync'd LFOs so far. so FUN.
pichenettes
rnordac wrote:
For single segments in Step or Hold mode, is there a difference in behavior when set between looping or non-looping?


No.
md1frejo
digable-me wrote:


Stages arrived from London Modular, and Blinds arrived from someone here on the forum.

I've only had it all plugged in for a couple of hours, but I have to say, Tides+Blinds+Stages+Marbles is most incredibly powerful and open-ended modulation centre I could possibly imagine in a 6U setup. In the patch in the picture I have a four stage sequence in Stages, clocked by Marbles, with two of the stages being modulated by Tides via Blinds, being fed back to another segment of Stages which is acting as a sample and hold, being clocked by another Marbles output, before going to a quantizer and then on to Rings. That still leaves me with another segment free to act as an LFO. It's insane and I love it.


that setup is insane...
boramx
had a good session yesterday.

i really like this thing.

again - it comes down to a really cool design that invites play and experimentation.

I kinda went "chimp" with it and tried not to watch or read too much didactic stuff and see how far i could go just having a basic grasp of the modes and layout. already gone way down the rabbit hole.

of course i've chained function gens together before, and also made weird "envelopes" with Frames and Voltage Block, but this is a bit different and has a different spirit. i definitely haven't quite seen this array of features together in this way - i'm thinking of the crazy patch schemes and modules i'd have to patch just to get what i did yesterday with one Stages.

great work Olivier and looking forward to digging deeper. already seems so powerful and pretty strange/experimental...
Umcorps
boramx wrote:
had a good session yesterday.

i really like this thing.

again - it comes down to a really cool design that invites play and experimentation. .


Absolutely!

It really shines in a small system. So much flexibility really opens up options.

The design is outstanding. With a minimum of effort and zero menu diving you can craft some really detailed envelope shapes. After a few days brainstorming with the thing I sat down today to try to do something more considered. Ended up sounding like this



Stages provides the master clock and a DAHR envelope. I'm using a separate sample and hold module to grab random levels of noise to feed the comparator but I could just as easily used Stages for that as well.

Had some fun yesterday in a more messy way, just using Stages to generate and divide as many clocks as I could think of using. Quick grab of that session here

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiMvHQxglhw/?taken-by=umcorps
rklem
Quote:
The design is outstanding. With a minimum of effort and zero menu diving you can craft some really detailed envelope shapes. After a few days brainstorming with the thing I sat down today to try to do something more considered. Ended up sounding like this

Stages provides the master clock and a DAHR envelope. I'm using a separate sample and hold module to grab random levels of noise to feed the comparator but I could just as easily used Stages for that as well.


Beautiful, thanks for sharing! Would you mind to explain the patch a little more in depth? What does the comparator do here?
Umcorps
rklem wrote:


Beautiful, thanks for sharing! Would you mind to explain the patch a little more in depth? What does the comparator do here?


I'm sampling noise at the rate set by a clock coming from Stages output 1. The noise goes into a comparator and is compared to a set voltage level. That gives a high gate only when the random sample voltage is > the set voltage. The result is that only a random selection of clock pulses get passed through to the shift register generating the melody. So in effect its converting a steady clock pulse into different note divisions, distributed randomly with the clock rate defining the smallest available note value. Changing the set voltage level controls the probability of a gate being generated.

It's not obvious in this example because it sounds like it doesn't have a base tempo, but if I used the same clock to drive a drum machine the melody would work rhythmically with the beat. So its quite a handy technique for generative creations in general.

Hope that makes sense!
rklem
Quote:
I'm sampling noise at the rate set by a clock coming from Stages output 1. The noise goes into a comparator and is compared to a set voltage level. That gives a high gate only when the random sample voltage is > the set voltage. The result is that only a random selection of clock pulses get passed through to the shift register generating the melody. So in effect its converting a steady clock pulse into different note divisions, distributed randomly with the clock rate defining the smallest available note value. Changing the set voltage level controls the probability of a gate being generated.

It's not obvious in this example because it sounds like it doesn't have a base tempo, but if I used the same clock to drive a drum machine the melody would work rhythmically with the beat. So its quite a handy technique for generative creations in general.

Hope that makes sense!


Absolutely! Thanks a lot. I'll check it out!
lud
Any videos out with 2 or more of them?
digable-me
md1frejo wrote:
digable-me wrote:


Stages arrived from London Modular, and Blinds arrived from someone here on the forum.

I've only had it all plugged in for a couple of hours, but I have to say, Tides+Blinds+Stages+Marbles is most incredibly powerful and open-ended modulation centre I could possibly imagine in a 6U setup. In the patch in the picture I have a four stage sequence in Stages, clocked by Marbles, with two of the stages being modulated by Tides via Blinds, being fed back to another segment of Stages which is acting as a sample and hold, being clocked by another Marbles output, before going to a quantizer and then on to Rings. That still leaves me with another segment free to act as an LFO. It's insane and I love it.


that setup is insane...


Ha. I'm not sure what's insane about it...
pieter
Well, you did say "It's insane and I love it."
razz
Summa
in stock at EFN if anyone is interested:

https://escapefromnoise.com/nyinkommet/mutable-instruments-stages/
cptnal
Umcorps wrote:
I'm sampling noise at the rate set by a clock coming from Stages output 1. The noise goes into a comparator and is compared to a set voltage level. That gives a high gate only when the random sample voltage is > the set voltage. The result is that only a random selection of clock pulses get passed through to the shift register generating the melody. So in effect its converting a steady clock pulse into different note divisions, distributed randomly with the clock rate defining the smallest available note value. Changing the set voltage level controls the probability of a gate being generated.


Nice trick! Thanks for sharing. And what's that to the right of Shapey?
Umcorps
cptnal wrote:


Nice trick! Thanks for sharing. And what's that to the right of Shapey?



Micro Braids


As ever, the current state of that system is kept here..

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/461188
cptnal
Umcorps wrote:
cptnal wrote:


Nice trick! Thanks for sharing. And what's that to the right of Shapey?



Micro Braids


As ever, the current state of that system is kept here..

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/461188


thumbs up
mdoudoroff
lud wrote:
Any videos out with 2 or more of them?


How about six of them?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyHaIMI0FSU

(Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. razz )
cptnal
Oh, you should. We're just jealous because we don't have shops. Mr. Green

So, tell us - what's going on in the last one? It's rather lovely. applause
pichenettes
Oh no :(

Silly bug :(

If you want to chain six of them and if you want the sixth unit to behave normally, ask me for the firmware fix!
joskery
Quick question concerning envelopes:

Say I have an AD envelope with both attack and decay turned up. I notice that even with a short trigger, the envelope runs through the attack phase in its entirety before proceeding to the decay phase.

Can I somehow make the envelope go to decay as soon as the gate ends?
pichenettes
joskery wrote:
Quick question concerning envelopes:

Say I have an AD envelope with both attack and decay turned up. I notice that even with a short trigger, the envelope runs through the attack phase in its entirety before proceeding to the decay phase.

Can I somehow make the envelope go to decay as soon as the gate ends?


Try an ASR envelope, or an ADSR envelope with null sustain.
lud
The chained module video was great, hope to see more multiple Stages!
DonKartofflo
joskery wrote:
Quick question concerning envelopes:

Say I have an AD envelope with both attack and decay turned up. I notice that even with a short trigger, the envelope runs through the attack phase in its entirety before proceeding to the decay phase.

Can I somehow make the envelope go to decay as soon as the gate ends?


You could try multing your gate to the cv input of the attack stage, set the attack to zero and attenuate your gate to the desired value. That way, as soon as the gate ends, the attack time gets modulated to zero and stages will proceed immediately to the decay stage.
zanscath
Did you guys knew that you could use Stages as a clock divider/multiplier? Just input a gate/clock into a looping ramp with a square waveshape and there you go, you've got a clock divider/multiplier now.

This module continues to amaze me.
joskery
Thank you pichenettes, and DonKartofflo:

That's actually pretty damn clever – thanks!

guestt
6 Stages is awesome!!

something wonderful


I guess someone had to do it! It's peanut butter jelly time!
spinalbeatz
Decided to pull the trigger now that PCA has them in stock. Time to do some homework and watch that DivKid tutorial!
Oscillator
spinalbeatz wrote:
Decided to pull the trigger now that PCA has them in stock. Time to do some homework and watch that DivKid tutorial!


I watched that video last night and bought a Stages today...

P.S. It's still available at Schneidersladen.
z3r01
Would just like to check, is the Ganesha figurine included in all the boxes for Stages, or was it like a limited first batch kinda thing?

I just received my Stages today, but the figurine wasn't included, and no other toys/trinkets were in the box either. Not a big deal but was looking forward to the figurine..=(
Orange
z3r01 wrote:
Would just like to check, is the Ganesha figurine included in all the boxes for Stages, or was it like a limited first batch kinda thing?

I just received my Stages today, but the figurine wasn't included, and no other toys/trinkets were in the box either. Not a big deal but was looking forward to the figurine..=(


All MI modules are included with a gift.
I am happy to give you my Ganesha, but posting from Holland to Singapore is not cheap I pressume.....
behndy
i think you got gankled at customs.

"ooooo TOY! MINE."
dumbledog
zanscath wrote:
Did you guys knew that you could use Stages as a clock divider/multiplier? Just input a gate/clock into a looping ramp with a square waveshape and there you go, you've got a clock divider/multiplier now.

This module continues to amaze me.


Might even be able to make a /8 divider by grouping 1 & 2 and 3 & 4. Feed 2 to 3, 4 to 5. Heading to work now tho so I can't check.
pichenettes
You can get slower ratios by dividing further an already divided clock (/4, then /2 gives you /8).

One correction, though: you'll have more accurate results if you use the sawtooth (fully CCW) instead of the square. That's because the sawtooth has its edge right at the trigger point. For a trigger or clock input it doesn't matter if the signal is a square or another shape - what matters is where the rising edge is!

You can actually use the saw to triangle area (from fully CCW to 11 o'clock to get a different amount of delay/shifting of the clock). If you use the square wave (fully CW), you'll have a 25% shift in timing, because the triangle shape is morphed into a trapezoid and then a square.
pugix
Mine arrived today!

I am in the process of trying all variations of single segments and then the two-segment groups:

Ramp-Ramp
Ramp-Step
Ramp-Hold

Step-Ramp
Step-Step
Step-Hold

Hold-Ramp
Hold-Step
Hold-Hold

For each of these I'm looking at no-cycling, first stage cycling alone, second stage cycling alone, and ping-pong cycling. These combinations are tantalizing. In all of these, I'll investigate what the CV inputs do, what happens if the gate is held low, interaction between times and gate rate, and what the second stage output is doing.

With Ramp-Ramp the attack stage can cycle several times and then decay starts, or the decay stage can cycle several times after the attack (resulting in more fast attacks). And when ping-pong cycling, the gate can re-trigger the attack, lengthening the cycle time.

I'll be posting all of this.
zanscath
pichenettes wrote:
You can get slower ratios by dividing further an already divided clock (/4, then /2 gives you /8).

You can actually use the saw to triangle area (from fully CCW to 11 o'clock to get a different amount of delay/shifting of the clock).


applause
z3r01
behndy wrote:
i think you got gankled at customs.

"ooooo TOY! MINE."


LOL sounds more like what a cat would do rather than a human. Ignore the module and go straight for the toy.
z3r01
Orange wrote:
z3r01 wrote:
Would just like to check, is the Ganesha figurine included in all the boxes for Stages, or was it like a limited first batch kinda thing?

I just received my Stages today, but the figurine wasn't included, and no other toys/trinkets were in the box either. Not a big deal but was looking forward to the figurine..=(


All MI modules are included with a gift.
I am happy to give you my Ganesha, but posting from Holland to Singapore is not cheap I pressume.....


Appreciate the kind gesture, Orange!

Anyways, wasn't expecting anything since it was something minor, but Olivier actually reached out to me and offered to send me one. Beyond awesome, if you ask me. It's peanut butter jelly time!

Thanks! Guinness ftw!
sonicmayhem
Sorry if this sounds lame but is Stages a good replacement for Voltage blocks? (Which is unavailable to buy).

Thanks
starthief
Stages is a very different beast from Voltage Block; I wouldn't call it a replacement. Maybe look into Mimetic Digitalis though.
spinalbeatz
sonicmayhem wrote:
Sorry if this sounds lame but is Stages a good replacement for Voltage blocks? (Which is unavailable to buy).

Thanks


Definitely not. Two completely different beasts. Both are essential in my rack.
sonicmayhem
Interesting. Thanks for the replies! Appreciate it....
sonicmayhem
starthief wrote:
Stages is a very different beast from Voltage Block; I wouldn't call it a replacement. Maybe look into Mimetic Digitalis though.


Will do! Thanks again!
Oscillator
Guys, I need you help.

I must note once again that I am a noob in terms of modular and still learning, so please bear with me.

A single looping (ramp) segment - an LFO - works as expected, however I have a really hard time getting a simple ADSR to work.
I patch the GATE output of a Keystep to GATE input 3 of Stages in order to group 3, 4, 5 and 6 into an ADSR. Output 3 goes into Microbrute's Filter CV in. What causes the confusion is the behavior of the ramping time. So I bring the slider up to get a long ramping time and leave it there. I might get a long attack in the beginning and on the next note (or after moving the slider a bit) it behaves as if the slider is all the way down. I keep on testing as I write this in an effort to provide you with exact steps, however, this ramping time continues to change randomly from long to short time...

Same applies to the Decay and Release. Totally confusing. I've tried manual gate triggering as well as automatic, but it always behaves in the same unpredictable (to me) way and I have a feeling I'm missing something related to the workings of the GATE.

If the aforementioned info does not ring any bell, I'll record a short video for demonstration purposes.
Oscillator
Oscillator wrote:
Guys, I need you help.

I must note once again that I am a noob in terms of modular and still learning, so please bear with me.

A single looping (ramp) segment - an LFO - works as expected, however I have a really hard time getting a simple ADSR to work.
I patch the GATE output of a Keystep to GATE input 3 of Stages in order to group 3, 4, 5 and 6 into an ADSR. Output 3 goes into Microbrute's Filter CV in. What causes the confusion is the behavior of the ramping time. So I bring the slider up to get a long ramping time and leave it there. I might get a long attack in the beginning and on the next note (or after moving the slider a bit) it behaves as if the slider is all the way down. I keep on testing as I write this in an effort to provide you with exact steps, however, this ramping time continues to change randomly from long to short time...

Same applies to the Decay and Release. Totally confusing. I've tried manual gate triggering as well as automatic, but it always behaves in the same unpredictable (to me) way and I have a feeling I'm missing something related to the workings of the GATE.

If the aforementioned info does not ring any bell, I'll record a short video for demonstration purposes.


The following video is recorded with a GoPro, so apologies for the audio quality and the pops. It should be enough for demonstration though.

Warps internal oscillator is enabled (sine) and an arpeggio coming from Keystp's Pitch output is controlling its v/oct. Gate output going into Stages Gate input 3 and then output 3 of Stages going into Warps algo CV input.

I don't get it. As soon as I plug the cable into the aglo CV input, it behaves as if the Algo knob stays at the Vocoder algorithm (it's the only one that affects the sound of just the int osc alone)

https://youtu.be/7klV3jgp2IM

P.S. I don't even know how to make the video directly visible here...
pieter
Oscillator wrote:




P.S. I don't even know how to make the video directly visible here...


Remove the "s" in https and use the video container.
dumbledog
I think the third stage needs to be set to looping.
Oscillator
dumbledog wrote:
I think the third stage needs to be set to looping.


Why is that? I don't see the logic behind it... Isn't this just an ADSR?

I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong (though the more I experiment, the more I think there's an issue somewhere else). It's frustrating. Anybody in Berlin willing to spend a few minutes at my place and test it with me? I'll compensate for the trouble somehow.
mdoudoroff
Oscillator, I’m having a little trouble following your questions and making sense of the video. You may need to break it down more.

However, just focusing on Stages and your very first question, if you’re trying to make an ADSR, my understanding is that the third (sustain) stage needs to be both in red mode AND it must be looping, otherwise it won’t sustain while the gate is high. In your video, the LED may be red (it’s not green) but it doesn’t appear to be blinking. Perhaps it is blinking and the video hides that. Anyway, worth double-checking.

The other unexpected behavior you are seeing may be related to gate length and reset, but I can’t tell from here.
mdoudoroff
Oscillator wrote:
Why is that? I don't see the logic behind it... Isn't this just an ADSR?


It is not just an ADSR. It is a collection of tools from which you can create an ADSR, amongst many other things.



So, if we look at the examples in the manual, note the little loop icons:

Dragonaut
Which makes sense because if you want it to SUSTAIN as long as you hold a note then the segment will have to loop until the gate goes low (i.e. you let your finger off the key.)
Oscillator
Thanks guys, however, it's not the Hold segment that's the issue (I can loop it, ok, or simply control the hold time via the respective knob).

It's the ramping times that I can't figure out. What comes out does not correspond to the slider (i.e. the ramping time control) and I simply want to apply an ADSR to a target. That's all. I have the slider all the way up, but the attack behaves as if it's all the way down.

The gate signal comes from a Keystep. As for its length and rest - doesn't the gate reset at each new note and thus restart the envelope at each new note?

...anyway, if somebody in Berlin is willing to come by (at your convenience) at my place, I would greatly appreciate it.
Nino
It's a bit strange because the 3rd segment led looks 100% orange but i can only recreate your situation when it's set to red.

Quote:
I can loop it, ok, or simply control the hold time via the respective knob.


It's not at all the same. When in your scenario you loop the Hold segment you will always reach the 4th stage. When you set the time with the corresponding knob it depends on the length whether you reach the release stage or not.

Your clock rate is quite high but your Hold time is at 3 o'clock, which is something like 6 seconds. Stages receives how many gates in that time?

Quote:
The first RAMP segment ramps up to 8V, starting from whatever level the output currently stays at.


-don't use attack times (1st stage) that are longer than what it takes for the next gate to arrive (in your case approx 1/3; this is why you get stuck in the first stage at the beginning; only happens when Hold is not looping)
-don't use decay times (2nd stage) that are longer than what it takes for your next gate to arrive
-use looping hold segments (3rd stage) or adjust the knob proberly (<12 o'clock) to be sure the envelope reaches 0V before it gets retriggered
-release time (4th stage):if you want your ADSR to start at 0V choose a release time short enough to reach 0V before it's retriggered
pugix
I completed my investigation into all of the two-segment groups. I looked at 36 cases. This helped me to understand the logic more deeply. I found some interesting behaviors, such as cases where the time pot of a Hold segment is ignored. And some quite useful things. Also some things that aren't useful but are good to know about when trying to understand why something doesn't work like you want.

My big takeaway is that the Step and Hold segments are generalized voltage followers, differing mainly in two regards. Step can slew, Hold can't. Step ends on a trigger; Hold ends after a timeout. These segments really cry out to be used as CV sequential switches.

I could have made some mistakes, so please correct me if you find something that doesn't work the way I described.

http://pugix.com/synth/stages-investigations/
starthief
Oscillator wrote:
The gate signal comes from a Keystep. As for its length and rest - doesn't the gate reset at each new note and thus restart the envelope at each new note?


Stages doesn't reset envelopes to 0V when you retrigger, it continues from the current voltage level.

If you want to fully retrigger the envelope, start with a non-looping hold segment with the slider all the way down and the pot turned fully CCW.
Zymos
That's really helpful Pugix! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
mdoudoroff
pugix wrote:
I completed my investigation into all of the two-segment groups. I looked at 36 cases. This helped me to understand the logic more deeply. I found some interesting behaviors, such as cases where the time pot of a Hold segment is ignored. And some quite useful things. Also some things that aren't useful but are good to know about when trying to understand why something doesn't work like you want.

My big takeaway is that the Step and Hold segments are generalized voltage followers, differing mainly in two regards. Step can slew, Hold can't. Step ends on a trigger; Hold ends after a timeout. These segments really cry out to be used as CV sequential switches.

I could have made some mistakes, so please correct me if you find something that doesn't work the way I described.

http://pugix.com/synth/stages-investigations/


Cool! applause
novim
HUGE! Thank you, Pugix. Bookmarked for repeat referencing.
Oscillator
Thank you everybody! smile

Your inputs on how Stages work helped a lot and things make more sense now.

Hopefully, I'll be able to contribute to the forum with some nice music in the near future.
dumbledog
pugix wrote:
I completed my investigation into all of the two-segment groups. I looked at 36 cases.


So, I'm gonna use this link to launch into my own little story of my past week with this module. I installed it Monday but was pretty busy last week mixing/mastering an album. Saturday I was done and was going to finally sit down with DivKid's video and really study Stages and really get to know it.

Within an hour I had my whole music station cleaned, dusted and organized and was vacuuming the floor.

I dunno, this module just intimidates the hell out of me with all the complex routings it can do. Not sure why, it's not like I had this problem with Maths or Disting or whatever 'difficult' modules are out there. Maybe I'm just gonna keep it mostly to a series of AD or D-only envelopes -- honestly an AD envelope (for bass, to prevent clicking) with 4 decay-only EGs and variable curves is pretty damn sweet in 14HP.

At any rate, maybe your blog post will be the catalyst to getting me to take a good long look at the thing and really wrap my head around it. Thanks for sharing it.
pugix
dumbledog wrote:
pugix wrote:
I completed my investigation into all of the two-segment groups. I looked at 36 cases.


So, I'm gonna use this link to launch into my own little story of my past week with this module. I installed it Monday but was pretty busy last week mixing/mastering an album. Saturday I was done and was going to finally sit down with DivKid's video and really study Stages and really get to know it.

Within an hour I had my whole music station cleaned, dusted and organized and was vacuuming the floor.

I dunno, this module just intimidates the hell out of me with all the complex routings it can do. Not sure why, it's not like I had this problem with Maths or Disting or whatever 'difficult' modules are out there. Maybe I'm just gonna keep it mostly to a series of AD or D-only envelopes -- honestly an AD envelope (for bass, to prevent clicking) with 4 decay-only EGs and variable curves is pretty damn sweet in 14HP.

At any rate, maybe your blog post will be the catalyst to getting me to take a good long look at the thing and really wrap my head around it. Thanks for sharing it.


Glad it spurs you!

My favorite thing is to build complexity by combining simple things. Stages is the coolest module for doing just this. Nice for simple envelopes, complex envelopes, simple oscillators, simple sequencers, etc.. But for those things you don't even need to use the CV inputs. I will use it for all of the obvious things of course. What I saw was the power to add moving CV, like an LFO, to the step and the hold segments. Groups of those are sequential switches. As DivKid video shows, you can even put audio through them. Even though I have used VC envelope generators in the past, I was perplexed what to do with them. Now I see.
Zymos
I know some envelopes have end of segment triggers, but are there any others that can output CV for separate segments like Stages does? What a cool feature.
Paranormal Patroler
Zymos wrote:
I know some envelopes have end of segment triggers, but are there any others that can output CV for separate segments like Stages does? What a cool feature.


Doepfer a-143-1 comes to mind, it sports comparators and you can define the point that it fires during the AD cycle. Stages replaced mine on my latest live setup due to space and versatility.
governor blacksnake
I think I need a second one of these. Well done!!
guestt
governor blacksnake wrote:
I think I need a second one of these. Well done!!


I would recommend it - I bought a second really quickly after the first - it seems to be the right kind of balance between flexibility and not being too silly! 12 is a nice number thumbs up
dumbledog
Today's stupid Stages trick: Plug in an audio-rate square oscillator and set all the LEDs to the orange step mode for a bizarre sub-oscillator. You can adjust the sliders to play with the shape and even pitch of the sub (it can go 7, 12, even 19 semitones below depending on where you patch and the sliders), and modulate the sliders with, say, an octasource for additional waveshaping fun. The outputs other than the first also have pulse outs.

You can also make some stages red for more pitch and timbral variety. It's wild.
maxwellravitz
I've currently got two stages, two shades, and a pamela's new workout to the side, and it's the craziest modulation set-up i've ever played with. I couldn't be more in love with stages. vc envelopes, slewable s/h, synced/unsynced vc lfos, sequential switch, vc clock divider, sequencer, slewable manual offsets, the thing is nuts!
spinalbeatz
I'm contemplating adding a second Stages as well. Can I ask how some of you are implementing the Step Sequencer into your rig? Are you using it for modulation or are you throwing that sequence through a quantizer for melodies?

Any tips and tricks to expand on the step sequencer would be much appreciated.
Mrk_
Dear stagers, I would love to have a gate/trigger delay in my rack for quite some time. Since Saturday I have the Stages and it seems to be able to do exactly this! But, when trying this for the first time last night, it seems that when the top pod is at 7 'o clock (the lowest setting) there is already a tiny bit of a delay. I want more control over this.

Are you experiencing the same? If so, is there a way to overcome this?

Thanks!
pieter
Can you adjust it with a negative voltage into the time/level CV in?
pichenettes
The shortest delay is 1ms. You can't get lower than that.
Mrk_
pichenettes wrote:
The shortest delay is 1ms. You can't get lower than that.


Thanks for the response.

Do you know if this has to do with the processing of the incoming trigger?
Bit off-topic, but do you know whether there is a module that has a lower latency/delay setting?
pichenettes
The processing latency is about 250µs.

I'll check how the module behaves with a shorter minimum setting...
Mrk_
pichenettes wrote:
The processing latency is about 250µs.

I'll check how the module behaves with a shorter minimum setting...


Thanks, but how are you going to set the module to have a shorter minimum setting?
pichenettes
I'll modify the code smile
Shwaj
Ha ha!

In case you’re not aware Mrk, “pichenettes” is a.k.a. “Mr. Mutable Instruments” (or is it “Dr.”?).
guestt
Is it not Professor Pichenettes? we're not worthy
pugix
pichenettes wrote:
I'll modify the code smile


Implying firmware updates?
desolationjones
pugix wrote:
pichenettes wrote:
I'll modify the code smile


Implying firmware updates?


Implying experimentation...

Though there has been mention of a firmware update to address improvements for red/green colorblind friendliness.
machetemirage
can somebody identify the slider LED part/spec? Would love to try out some different color combos
Charleso
[quote="desolationjones"][quote="pugix"]
pichenettes wrote:


Though there has been mention of a firmware update to address improvements for red/green colorblind friendliness.


This would be great. At the moment I have to scan through all options until I see the red led, which is the only one I (and the other colour blinded I presume) can discern.
mathomas
[quote="Charleso"][quote="desolationjones"]
pugix wrote:
pichenettes wrote:


Though there has been mention of a firmware update to address improvements for red/green colorblind friendliness.


This would be great. At the moment I have to scan through all options until I see the red led, which is the only one I (and the other colour blinded I presume) can discern.


This is the same dance I do on Rings, quite often. Only by comparison can I figure out which is which.
joskery
[quote="mathomas"][quote="Charleso"]
desolationjones wrote:
pugix wrote:
pichenettes wrote:


Though there has been mention of a firmware update to address improvements for red/green colorblind friendliness.


This would be great. At the moment I have to scan through all options until I see the red led, which is the only one I (and the other colour blinded I presume) can discern.


This is the same dance I do on Rings, quite often. Only by comparison can I figure out which is which.


This. Dead Banana
hawkfuzz
I can tell which segment of the LED is lit in the Marbles so rather than the color cycle I see "top/middle/bottom(red)"
Paranormal Patroler
This is a bit OT but I have to say it warms my heart to read the above posts by colour blind people. I've been working hard to accommodate such accessibility issues in my day job and it's super important to have actual testers check that the results are worthwhile.
Mrk_
pichenettes wrote:
I'll modify the code smile


Oh! Looking forward to the results..

Another question: would it be possible - when changing the function of a segment - to not have it restart at the first segment of the group? At least this is what I experienced last night with a 6-segment sequence of steps, of which I changed a step to ramp while it was running.
pichenettes
Quote:
would it be possible


No - there are too many situations in which the rules are changed in such a way that it's impossible to decide what should be the "right" output voltage or active segment.
novim
Not purporting to have a hit record on my hands, here, just an experiment with self-patching...

The only sound sources here are Stages and Just Friends (Shape Mode) FM'ing themselves. Stages via Three Sisters, JF via Rainmaker.

Mosiej
this might have been addressed, but I am wondering if it can do something similar to an envelop follower?
cptnal
Mosiej wrote:
this might have been addressed, but I am wondering if it can do something similar to an envelop follower?


Not directly, but I'm wondering what would happen if you took a rectified and filtered audio signal into a fast clocked S&H and slewed the output... hmmm.....
funqpatrol
Do you guys find the rate of the lfo cycles to be rather slow? Trying to fm other modules but rate is limited imo. Opinions?
starthief
According to my O'Tool, the LFO max is 31.2 Hz on its own, or 2996Hz with CV input. It takes a bit over 6.5V to get it there (it tracks V/OCT).

If that's too low you should probably use a VCO smile
DonKartofflo
funqpatrol wrote:
Do you guys find the rate of the lfo cycles to be rather slow? Trying to fm other modules but rate is limited imo. Opinions?


Patch an offset into the cv input, they go well into audio rate thumbs up
guestt
thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

I need more offsets!
Mrk_
pichenettes wrote:
I'll modify the code smile


Any news about the delay?
Charleso
I’ve just acquired a second stages, and I must witness, this module is a real ‘modulator’s dream. The way you can have have loops, lfos, sequencers nested into each other is game changing, and the ease in design will make this module a classic. I understand now why Olivier put 90% of his efforts in the chaining of modules.
For people liking control of their music in the form of step sequencing (as opposed to eg generative sequencing), Stages really is the next big step. smile
imrae
What are the audio-rate capabilities like? A few people have mentioned the vco possibilty, but what about audio-rate switching and suboctaves? How easily can the gate be triggered with a vco?
pugix
imrae wrote:
What are the audio-rate capabilities like? A few people have mentioned the vco possibilty, but what about audio-rate switching and suboctaves? How easily can the gate be triggered with a vco?


I haven't measured the upper frequency on the VCO. Good idea.

As for the trigger/gate, it seems to trigger just fine with any transition from below to above 1 volt. So any oscillator, LFO, or envelope generator will trigger it. As for the gate falling threshold (the hysteresis), I didn't measure that either. Thanks for the ideas.
starthief
pugix wrote:
I haven't measured the upper frequency on the VCO. Good idea.


starthief wrote:
According to my O'Tool, the LFO max is 31.2 Hz on its own, or 2996Hz with CV input. It takes a bit over 6.5V to get it there (it tracks V/OCT).
imrae
Is there an upper limit on how frequently it can change stages? Would be handy for suboctave and downsampling trickery.
behndy
as neat as it is, 's not for me right now. selling mines here if anyone is interested -

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2756570
autopoiesis
Does offset CV increase the range of clock divisions beyond 1/4-4/1 when a stage is acting as a tempo synced LFO? Haven't seen mention of this in particular but might have missed it in a video.
pichenettes
No.
Paranormal Patroler
pichenettes wrote:
No.


Any chance you could indicate what the divisions/multiplications between 1/4 and x4 are? I really enjoy the documentation on this module, you've done a really clever job in some specific sections, but that part is ndot documented fully.

I assume it's 1/4 1/3 1/2 x1 x2 x3 X4. Right?

Also, colour me curious, why no upwards ramp in the clocked LFO waveshapes? Not complaining, just struck me as weird. Was it because you were aiming for square and there was no place to put it in the series of shapes?
pichenettes
The division / multiplication ratios are 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 4

The upward ramp can be obtained with Shades/Blinds or any other offset/scale module. I aimed for a continuously variable sequence of shapes, and adding more options throughout the course of the knob (upwards ramp, random) would have made them more difficult to access.
Paranormal Patroler
I thought as much. Keeping it simple(r), I like your new M.O, it suits you.
prphnc
I have Stages for one month now and absolutely love it.
Only thing I'm missing is to give a reset trigger when used as a sequencer.
Could not find anything on that in the Manual. hmmm.....
pichenettes
prphnc wrote:
I have Stages for one month now and absolutely love it.
Only thing I'm missing is to give a reset trigger when used as a sequencer.
Could not find anything on that in the Manual. hmmm.....


It's not possible.
nso_music
Loving my stages so far, but I wanted to change the slider LED's both for aesthetic purposes to fit my case better, and because they were a little too bright for my taste. I chose white and it's looking great, and super easy too!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkLJmUGg33n/


how-to: slider LED's like this are not soldered in. with the power off of course, you can literally just gently pull them out of the slider. So all you have to do is buy new ones, size 2x3x4mm - I bought mine from Amazon, made by a company called "Chanzon" which seemed to be an exact match. You do have to cut the new ones to a similar length as the originals, but other than that, you just slide them in and you're done!
sleepy_sloth
nso_music wrote:
Loving my stages so far, but I wanted to change the slider LED's both for aesthetic purposes to fit my case better, and because they were a little too bright for my taste. I chose white and it's looking great, and super easy too!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkLJmUGg33n/


how-to: slider LED's like this are not soldered in. with the power off of course, you can literally just gently pull them out of the slider. So all you have to do is buy new ones, size 2x3x4mm - I bought mine from Amazon, made by a company called "Chanzon" which seemed to be an exact match. You do have to cut the new ones to a similar length as the originals, but other than that, you just slide them in and you're done!


Ooh those look nice, you've got me tempted.

I took some time to start to learn the module with a friend today and we had fun self-patching it. We set up Stage 1 as an Oscillator and then used the rest of the module to make a 6 step sequence (clock going into Stage 2 and Stage 5 with the output from 5 & 6 going into 4 and the output of 2-4 sequencing 1).

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkbUTUjAdk1/
autopoiesis
in the manual there are examples of manually controlled (via pot) pre-delay, but could you for example make a VC-delayed decay envelope this way?

stage 1 = step (not looping), gate into gate, output is an AD envelope
stage 2 = step (not looping), gate left unpatched, output is a decay envelope (just the decay segment of stage 1) whose onset is delayed by the slider + CV patched into stage 1

could be fun for polyrhythms and phasing patterns!
cptnal
autopoiesis wrote:
in the manual there are examples of manually controlled (via pot) pre-delay, but could you for example make a VC-delayed decay envelope this way?

stage 1 = step (not looping), gate into gate, output is an AD envelope
stage 2 = step (not looping), gate left unpatched, output is a decay envelope (just the decay segment of stage 1) whose onset is delayed by the slider + CV patched into stage 1

could be fun for polyrhythms and phasing patterns!


Either it's the heat or because it's nearly bed time or some other reason, all I can read is gate-loop-step-gate-step-stage-loop... So I'm going to put this to one side and try it when my brain's less fried because it sounds interesting. Dead Banana
starthief
You could do it like this:

Stage 3: red, no looping. This is your delay time.
Stage 4: red, no looping. This is the output trigger that will fire your envelope.

Stages 5-6: green, no looping. This is your AD envelope.

External gate -> stage 3 gate
Delay CV -> stage 3 CV input
Stage 4 out -> Stage 5 gate
Stage 5 out -> your output envelope
autopoiesis
@starthief that makes sense, I would hope it's possible in fewer than four stages though. my thought experiment was for just a decay envelope fwiw. will try both when I have one of these guys
pugix
autopoiesis wrote:
in the manual there are examples of manually controlled (via pot) pre-delay, but could you for example make a VC-delayed decay envelope this way?

stage 1 = step (not looping), gate into gate, output is an AD envelope
stage 2 = step (not looping), gate left unpatched, output is a decay envelope (just the decay segment of stage 1) whose onset is delayed by the slider + CV patched into stage 1

could be fun for polyrhythms and phasing patterns!


starthief wrote:
You could do it like this:

Stage 3: red, no looping. This is your delay time.
Stage 4: red, no looping. This is the output trigger that will fire your envelope.

Stages 5-6: green, no looping. This is your AD envelope.

External gate -> stage 3 gate
Delay CV -> stage 3 CV input
Stage 4 out -> Stage 5 gate
Stage 5 out -> your output envelope


Let me see if I can describe what you want.

0. The output is at zero volts.
1. A trigger is received.
2. A VC delay time follows.
3. A decay envelope (fast attack, followed by a longer decay) emits.

Remember that VC time works only on Ramp segments. For Step and Hold segments you have VC over level, not time.

What might work is this: Set up a standard AD envelope, a Ramp followed by a Ramp. A trigger on the first segment starts the ramp rising at a VC-able rate. This is your delay time. Take your output from the second (i.e. falling) ramp output, rather than from the first segment.

I have my Stages all patched up right now, but I'll try this.
autopoiesis
@pugix your patch is what I attempted to describe smile
cptnal
Trying this myself as we speak...

I have two reds and two greens. The first red receives a gate and is the delay. The second red is a trigger and outputs a gate to the first green (attack & CV out) which leads to the last (decay) green. In theory you could VC stages 1 (delay), 3 (attack) and 4 (decay). hmmm.....

Which, when I read back, is a lot like what starthief said, but reading back further, I'm not sure if that's the same as autopoiesis meant, because I don't get the phasing thing. Unless you're running it in parallel with another, static envelope I guess... (Well, we do still have stages 1 and 2 unpatched Mr. Green )
autopoiesis
yeah, regarding the phasing I meant in relation to another envelope that fires from a synchronous gate sequence but has no delay affecting it.
cptnal
Correction. No VC over stage one - it's the pot that controls delay time. very frustrating

Other than that it works as described. We persevere...

EDIT: OK, got it. As I described, but stage 3 is now green and therefore we have VC over the delay time. Phew!

EDIT AGAIN: ...and then what you really want to do is take your two gates and trigger two sample and holds...
cptnal
On reflection, I could probably describe it a bit more gracefully, so ignore that last post. Mr. Green

Basically it's three envelopes. Two AD envelopes which phase in and out, and a third for the delay.

Stages 1 and 2: Your first AD envelope. Two greens, gate in and CV out to your first voice's VCA. Nothing unusual here.
Stages 3 and 4: A decay envelope for the delay. Copy of gate into stage 3 (green). Decay time (which is under VC) is the delay for the other envelope's onset. Stage 4 (red) is your EOC gate, so CV out from there into...
Stages 5 and 6: Your second AD envelope. Gate in from stage 4, CV out to your second voice's VCA.
orbita
I have a Maths already and getting a Voltage Block, primarily for modulating my BIA and Shapeshifter. Other than ASDR envelopes, would Stages offer much beyond what I have?

Is anyone considering Stages instead of Voltage Block?
starthief
orbita wrote:
I have a Maths already and getting a Voltage Block, primarily for modulating my BIA and Shapeshifter. Other than ASDR envelopes, would Stages offer much beyond what I have?

Is anyone considering Stages instead of Voltage Block?


An ADSR is just one possibility out of many, many things Stages can do. It can offer a lot beyond Maths and Voltage Block, but isn't really a replacement for either of them.
placebo92
Apologies if this has already been covered, but does anyone know how to make a Voltage Controlled Skew?

I can make an ordinary skew using step mode no problem (no gate in, pot controls glide time) but would love to be able to control the glide time using an lfo or random source.. Any ideas?
pichenettes
Sorry, not possible.
euromorcego
a quick question to those who use Stages:

As I understand Stages can also be used as a clock divider/multiplier when using the (loop mode) lfo with a clock into the gate input. Knob controls waveform, from ramp-down to pulse.

Question: What is the phase of the pulse? The pic in the manual indicate a time delay between the "high state" and the trigger, so it would not be ideal for a vanilla clock divider. But the picture might just be for visual purposes, and not show the actual phase.

Of course, one might also use the ramp as a trigger output, I'd still like to know how the pulse behaves.
pichenettes
To get smooth morphing between the different LFO waveshapes, the square needs to have a shifted phase. If you want to use the module as a clock divider, use the ramp to get the correct phase.
euromorcego
pichenettes wrote:
To get smooth morphing between the different LFO waveshapes, the square needs to have a shifted phase. If you want to use the module as a clock divider, use the ramp to get the correct phase.

ok, thanks. Indeed, the ramp should work fine.
Ray Diode
Hello all, can I just ask - can stages output
6 simple LFO’s at a time?
Agawell
yes it can loop 6 decay envelopes = 6 lfos
euromorcego
Ray Diode wrote:
Hello all, can I just ask - can stages output
6 simple LFO’s at a time?

yes, should do (not only decay envelopes but also all kind of other shapes). However, the output is 0-10V, no bipolar -+5V as most lfo.
Migrigsynth
Ray Diode wrote:
Hello all, can I just ask - can stages output
6 simple LFO’s at a time?


Yes it can thumbs up I have it patched right now for two LFOs in addition to two AD envelopes. Very simple to patch.
pugix
Agawell wrote:
yes it can loop 6 decay envelopes = 6 lfos


With a full selection of waveforms from ramp, triangle, sine, trapezoid and pulse.
Ray Diode
thanks everyone for your quick replies!
very exciting!
joeSeggiola
pugix wrote:
Agawell wrote:
yes it can loop 6 decay envelopes = 6 lfos

With a full selection of waveforms from ramp, triangle, sine, trapezoid and pulse.


How you do that? If a single segment is used with looping, isn't it always a ramp down (i.e. a simple D envelope)? Thanks.
pichenettes
The SHAPE control behaves differently (with a different selection of shapes) for a single looping ramp segment.
pelang
CV delay is nice. Works well with sequencers... i start to really like this module

Thanks pichenettes
pelang
joeSeggiola wrote:
pugix wrote:
Agawell wrote:
yes it can loop 6 decay envelopes = 6 lfos

With a full selection of waveforms from ramp, triangle, sine, trapezoid and pulse.


How you do that? If a single segment is used with looping, isn't it always a ramp down (i.e. a simple D envelope)? Thanks.


Green mode - press 1 sec (so it blinks) - nothing plugged in by gate
_lampshade_
When using a single stage decay envelope to control amplitude of sounds without high harmonics, sine waves, low drones; filtered basses I find stages produces clicks in its attack. Is there any secret to avoiding these other than using another stage to dial in a tiny attack portion? I’ve tried different combinations of exponential/ linear in stages env as well as veils, but can’t get rid of them and maintain a snappy env.
Footkerchief
_lampshade_ wrote:
When using a single stage decay envelope to control amplitude of sounds without high harmonics, sine waves, low drones; filtered basses I find stages produces clicks in its attack. Is there any secret to avoiding these other than using another stage to dial in a tiny attack portion? I’ve tried different combinations of exponential/ linear in stages env as well as veils, but can’t get rid of them and maintain a snappy env.

I think clicking is going to be an inherent feature of a decay-only envelope, unless you use something like a digital VCA:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=193754
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/wmd-digital-vca
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/wmd-dvca
Umcorps
It can sometimes help to multi the envelope trigger to the sync input of the source oscillator if it has one.
exper
EDIT: Umcorps beat me to it. smile
gentle_attack
Umcorps wrote:
It can sometimes help to multi the envelope trigger to the sync input of the source oscillator if it has one.
I don't have STAGES but nonetheless this is something I need to play around with. I've only used sync for, well, sync.

I have always used samplers for little one shot blips and bloops more than modular, but maybe I need to rethink that.
nectarios
Think of it like audio in a DAW where you start/end the sample playback, at a non 0 cross point. The abrupt amplitude change is going to produce clicks.

Similarly, a free running oscillator will do the same with abrupt amplitude changes on the VCA it goes through.
Sending a gate trigger to the osc's sync input, will force the oscillator to start at 0V, effectively a 0 cross point, so no clicks will be heard with very fast attack settings. There is no way to get round the release clicks, as far as I know anyway, so dial in just enough of a decay/release, sο that the click goes away.

This is subject to the oscillator and its sync input, but generally speaking, it does the trick.
naturarerum
I've been trying to be "creative" with Stages, i.e. have an idea -> try to apply my understanding of the module to create said idea. To be honest I'm having a hard time getting a good flow with this module.

How could I create a square LFO with adjustable pulse width? All the things I've tried so far don't let me control PW. I thought I could do it with : 1. green loop 2. red non-loop 3. green loop 4. red non-loop, since when a red segment is not looping the potentiometer controls time. So by changing the time I should control the pulse width independently for the high phase and the low phase? But no, this doesn't work. I've tried a bunch of other things but without success. I'm closely watching the results using an oscilloscope, by the way.

Anyone feel like they "master" their Stages? As in, go beyond the manual and create novel control voltage elements? Anywhere besides the Divkid video where I can learn to master this CV platform? I feel like it has great potential.
joeSeggiola
naturarerum wrote:
How could I create a square LFO with adjustable pulse width?

Maybe I understood it wrong, but I think it can be made simply with two segments. Set the fifth segment to a square LFO (green + looping + knob to max). Then route its output into the gate of the sixth segment, configured as a pulse generator (red + non looping + slider to max). Now the last segment output follow the square LFO, but the time it stays high is configurable with the sixth knob. Right?
starthief
naturarerum wrote:
How could I create a square LFO with adjustable pulse width?


Use one segment as a basic LFO (green, flashing). Patch its output into the gate of a single hold segment (red, solid). Adjust pulse width with the pot on the red segment. It doesn't follow the LFO rate and isn't CVable, but it works.

Or: group two flashing red segments with a dummy cable into the first segment's gate. They'll loop automatically. Set one slider high, the other low. Use the pots to adjust the lengths for each stage. This also gives you a related ramp output out of the second stage smile
dave999z
Sorry for asking something that’s probably been covered (I’ll confess I have not gotten through this entire thread)...

I want to set a single stage (green ramp, set on loop) to be an LFO, and patch that to the attack time (first stage) of a multi-stage envelope that is controlling a VCA.

I can get this to work, sort of. The problem is the LFO’s voltage range is I believe (per the manual) 0-8V. And at 8V, the attack time becomes so long that the envelope is basically silent.

I want the envelope to slowly change from a sharp stocatto attack to a nice soft attack and back. Instead, it goes from stocatto attack to silence and back, with some weird artifacts along the way..

Would I need to run the LFO stage through an offset or attenuator first? That would kind of defeat the purpose of being able to do this all within Stages.

I really want precise control over the low and high voltage level of the LFO, so that I dial in exactly the two attacks that I want to morph between. Maybe a Stages single-stage LFO is just not the tool for that?

edit: Ran the single-stage LFO through Maths channel 2 and was able to dial it in much better. So I guess that’s my answer. Need to attenuate the LFO stage output in order to get a useful (i.e., not too wide) range for attack stage modulation.
MossGarden
dave999z wrote:
Sorry for asking something that’s probably been covered (I’ll confess I have not gotten through this entire thread)...

I want to set a single stage (green ramp, set on loop) to be an LFO, and patch that to the attack time (first stage) of a multi-stage envelope that is controlling a VCA.

I can get this to work, sort of. The problem is the LFO’s voltage range is I believe (per the manual) 0-8V. And at 8V, the attack time becomes so long that the envelope is basically silent.

I want the envelope to slowly change from a sharp stocatto attack to a nice soft attack and back. Instead, it goes from stocatto attack to silence and back, with some weird artifacts along the way..

Would I need to run the LFO stage through an offset or attenuator first? That would kind of defeat the purpose of being able to do this all within Stages.

I really want precise control over the low and high voltage level of the LFO, so that I dial in exactly the two attacks that I want to morph between. Maybe a Stages single-stage LFO is just not the tool for that?

edit: Ran the single-stage LFO through Maths channel 2 and was able to dial it in much better. So I guess that’s my answer. Need to attenuate the LFO stage output in order to get a useful (i.e., not too wide) range for attack stage modulation.


Yes, you would need to attenuate externally and then patch it to your Attack parameter. Attenuators are your best friend in modular they can help you shape your modulation to suit exactly what you need even if they mean breaking out of the module itself. Not all modules can have attenuation built in, they would all be much bigger and more expensive if this were the case, also the whole point of modular is to break out of the "one box does it all" method and make your voltages do more interesting and user specific things.
VOLTA
Ive just started building my sytem. So far ive only got Rings, Plaits, Varigate 4+ and 4MS DLD. I am looking to add a lfo. Its looks a bit complicated, but can it be like a regular lfo to modulate panning, level etc ?
dave999z
MossGarden wrote:


Yes, you would need to attenuate externally and then patch it to your Attack parameter. Attenuators are your best friend in modular they can help you shape your modulation to suit exactly what you need even if they mean breaking out of the module itself. Not all modules can have attenuation built in, they would all be much bigger and more expensive if this were the case, also the whole point of modular is to break out of the "one box does it all" method and make your voltages do more interesting and user specific things.


Thanks, appreciate it.
0netwo0netwo
VOLTA wrote:
Ive just started building my sytem. So far ive only got Rings, Plaits, Varigate 4+ and 4MS DLD. I am looking to add a lfo. Its looks a bit complicated, but can it be like a regular lfo to modulate panning, level etc ?


im pretty sure that the LFOs from Stages are only 0 - +5v, unless you use it as a sequenced switcher for external CVs

please anyone correct me if im wrong here

Rockin' Banana!
pugix
0netwo0netwo wrote:
VOLTA wrote:
Ive just started building my sytem. So far ive only got Rings, Plaits, Varigate 4+ and 4MS DLD. I am looking to add a lfo. Its looks a bit complicated, but can it be like a regular lfo to modulate panning, level etc ?


im pretty sure that the LFOs from Stages are only 0 - +5v, unless you use it as a sequenced switcher for external CVs

please anyone correct me if im wrong here

Rockin' Banana!


A single stage can cycle 0 to +8 volts. It is a voltage-controlled LFO with variable wave shapes on the small knob.
naturarerum
joeSeggiola wrote:
naturarerum wrote:
How could I create a square LFO with adjustable pulse width?

Maybe I understood it wrong, but I think it can be made simply with two segments. Set the fifth segment to a square LFO (green + looping + knob to max). Then route its output into the gate of the sixth segment, configured as a pulse generator (red + non looping + slider to max). Now the last segment output follow the square LFO, but the time it stays high is configurable with the sixth knob. Right?


starthief wrote:
naturarerum wrote:
How could I create a square LFO with adjustable pulse width?


Use one segment as a basic LFO (green, flashing). Patch its output into the gate of a single hold segment (red, solid). Adjust pulse width with the pot on the red segment. It doesn't follow the LFO rate and isn't CVable, but it works.

Or: group two flashing red segments with a dummy cable into the first segment's gate. They'll loop automatically. Set one slider high, the other low. Use the pots to adjust the lengths for each stage. This also gives you a related ramp output out of the second stage smile


thank you both, it works smile looks like I need to look more into the self-patching possibilities of Stages.
VOLTA
0netwo0netwo wrote:
VOLTA wrote:
Ive just started building my sytem. So far ive only got Rings, Plaits, Varigate 4+ and 4MS DLD. I am looking to add a lfo. Its looks a bit complicated, but can it be like a regular lfo to modulate panning, level etc ?


im pretty sure that the LFOs from Stages are only 0 - +5v, unless you use it as a sequenced switcher for external CVs

please anyone correct me if im wrong here

Rockin' Banana!


So its not like a "normal" lfo ? No good for panning? Does MI have a basic LFO?
0netwo0netwo
yeah see i was wrong, it was 0 - +8V

and no not in stages if you mean by "Normal LFO" one that goes down into the negative world

Marbles I know for sure does positive and negative voltages, but its more random, not like a "normal" LFO
pieter
VOLTA wrote:

So its not like a "normal" lfo ? No good for panning? Does MI have a basic LFO?


Tides. Although I wouldn't call it basic...
FrogStar
VOLTA wrote:
0netwo0netwo wrote:
VOLTA wrote:
Ive just started building my sytem. So far ive only got Rings, Plaits, Varigate 4+ and 4MS DLD. I am looking to add a lfo. Its looks a bit complicated, but can it be like a regular lfo to modulate panning, level etc ?


im pretty sure that the LFOs from Stages are only 0 - +5v, unless you use it as a sequenced switcher for external CVs

please anyone correct me if im wrong here

Rockin' Banana!


So its not like a "normal" lfo ? No good for panning? Does MI have a basic LFO?


I don't know your situation but I think one could do panning with Stages.
The simplest solution might be to add a negative offset (say -4v) with Shades, Maths, Triat, A-183, or anther offset module. This would make Stages -4 to +4.
However, when I've lacked an available offset, I panned my L-1 stereo mixer by setting the panning knob far left and allowing the LFO to drag it past center to the right. With some attenuation this might be easer than applying offset.
But every system is different and this may not work for you.
natureclubcassettes
or you could just use a bipolar LFO confused instead of a unipolar function generator
LazyCircuit
This may be obvious but I have a question. Can I use a single stage to turn a VCo into a super short percussion sound? I want something percussive but quite melodic so how about using Stages instead of an EG?

cv > VCO > stages (short decay)
Brennanib
pieter wrote:
VOLTA wrote:

So its not like a "normal" lfo ? No good for panning? Does MI have a basic LFO?


Tides. Although I wouldn't call it basic...


Yea Tides not basic but I believe to be the most "controllable" LFO in my opinion
gentle_attack
LazyCircuit wrote:
This may be obvious but I have a question. Can I use a single stage to turn a VCo into a super short percussion sound? I want something percussive but quite melodic so how about using Stages instead of an EG?

cv > VCO > stages (short decay)

You will need a VCA or filter (or Low Pass Gate which is a mix of those two).

In your little diagram, where are you planning to >stages?

You'll need to plug your oscillator into one if the things I listed, then use use an envelope from Stages (single stage, percussive if you wish) to "open" the filte or VCA and let sound through.

If you are coming directly from fixed architecture synths, it's important to note that before the output, the envelope controls are actually controlling a VCA before the sound exits the synth, it just isn't always labeled very obviously.


This is why in modular these are very important
srsly never
LazyCircuit
gentle_attack wrote:
LazyCircuit wrote:
This may be obvious but I have a question. Can I use a single stage to turn a VCo into a super short percussion sound? I want something percussive but quite melodic so how about using Stages instead of an EG?

cv > VCO > stages (short decay)

You will need a VCA or filter (or Low Pass Gate which is a mix of those two).

In your little diagram, where are you planning to >stages?

You'll need to plug your oscillator into one if the things I listed, then use use an envelope from Stages (single stage, percussive if you wish) to "open" the filte or VCA and let sound through.

If you are coming directly from fixed architecture synths, it's important to note that before the output, the envelope controls are actually controlling a VCA before the sound exits the synth, it just isn't always labeled very obviously.


This is why in modular these are very important
srsly never


Ah...so the stages itself doesn’t stop or allow the sound but opens or closes the VCA or LPG, which stops or allows the sound?

In that case I need some LPGs.
pichenettes
VOLTA wrote:
So its not like a "normal" lfo ? No good for panning? Does MI have a basic LFO?


Most LFOs are between -5V and +5V; Stages' outputs are between 0V and +8V. But of course it's good for panning.

Why are you making such a fuss of LFOs being bipolar or not, when pretty much all modules have offset/scale control on their CV inputs (or when there are modules like Shades, Blinds, Maths) to do that?

Let's say you want to modulate the cutoff of a filter. If you modulate it with a bipolar LFO, the position of the cutoff knob will represent the central value around which the LFO modulation is applied. If you modulate it with a unipolar LFO, the position of the cutoff knob will represent the minimum value. That's the only difference and it's not a big one.
euromorcego
pichenettes wrote:

Why are you making such a fuss of LFOs being bipolar or not, when pretty much all modules have offset/scale control on their CV inputs (or when there are modules like Shades, Blinds, Maths) to do that?

actually, imho, far to few modules have offset/scale control at their CV inputs. Fun fact: this includes the module discussed in this very thread. But fortunately on Stages the sliders act as offsets, which is of course far more useful than if they would act as attenuators.

BUT for (too) many modules the pots act indeed only act as attenuators for the incoming cv. To modulate around a value then requires offset and attenuation, so two channels of Shades are needed, which essentially means a Shades for each cv input. Not very practical.

I also somewhat see the point of the OP ("the fuss"). For beginners it is far more straightforward to have the pot/slider set the value (and finding a sweet spot) ... and then applying bipolar modulation around this value. This is far easier than having to adjust the pot value again to compensate for the unipolar modulation with an offset.
SB-SIX
Is it maybe an idea to have one of the modes act as an attenuator instead of offset for incoming cv?
Footkerchief
euromorcego wrote:

BUT for (too) many modules the pots act indeed only act as attenuators for the incoming cv. To modulate around a value then requires offset and attenuation, so two channels of Shades are needed, which essentially means a Shades for each cv input. Not very practical

I agree this is bad design, but it tends to show up on CV inputs that are designed for unipolar modulation anyway (e.g. the Optomix), so Shades being unipolar is still not a disadvantage there. the Bastl Timbre's symmetry input is the only exception I can think of

also, the 3x MIA is perfect for dealing with this -- each of its 3 channels can do a combined offset + attenuation
Vortico
Stages is now available as "Segment Generator" in the open-source Audible Instruments VCV Rack plugin.

_lampshade_
Awesome thanks! a cool technique i just discovered, send an oscillator into the gate input of a red segmant either flashing or steady for a square wavish oscillator that tracks in a different less glitchy way than an oscilator into a green segment. mix this or ringmod with the input oscillator.
Phase47
pichenettes wrote:
If you modulate it with a unipolar LFO, the position of the cutoff knob will represent the minimum value. That's the only difference and it's not a big one.


I actually find this way to be best (easier for me) especially for things like filter modulation. Using Stages or Tides' UNI output like this is great.
Soall
Hey just wondering how snappy can it be compared to a maths or other analog envelope ?
kpreid
Soall wrote:
Hey just wondering how snappy can it be compared to a maths or other analog envelope ?

I don't have a Maths but here's some waveforms (displayed by O'Tool+) comparing to a Befaco Rampage (Stages above, Rampage below). It appears that there is a minimum time of 1 millisecond for any stage. Turning the ramp shape to exponential gets a fairly sharp curve, but reduces the maximum voltage a bit. Hold mode gives a sharper rise, but means you have a 1 ms flat top you can't avoid. So overall they seem comparable for this application.



Stages' LFO sawtooth gives about a 0.1 ms attack, but I assume that doesn't count as an envelope. (Also, if set to ramp-up ramp-down cycling without any pauses, they both do about 2 ms per cycle, though Rampage is slightly slower.)

I imagine that if you want an ultra-sharp attack the best choice would be something dedicated to that sort of pulse rather than something built with ramping/slew limiting at all.
pieter
Thanks kpreid, that is very helpful. Looks like Stages would benefit a lot from VCAs with good slope control (like Quad VCA).
desolationjones
I unintentionally self-patched an orange stage output to the gate input of its own group while my rig was off. When I turned it on there was a noticeable buzzing sound from within my case. Shut it off, removed this cable, and upon reboot the sound was gone. Could have nothing to do with it, but I'm a bit concerned...
Soall
Hey kpreid very very useful, thanks a lot ! we're not worthy
nectarios
Soall wrote:
Hey just wondering how snappy can it be compared to a maths or other analog envelope ?


Its fast, you can dial in a slope that is snappy, but I find its lacking something with regards to Maths. Not a deal breaker and of course Stages does a lot of things Maths does not, so I have both and I don't feel like they are "competing" in any way.
Sleipnir
Soall wrote:
Hey just wondering how snappy can it be compared to a maths or other analog envelope ?

I won't dupe kpreid's work (awesome first post, btw), but I also put Stages and Maths on the scope. Yup, it's pretty much what you see there, although, at least IMO, not what you hear.
I found the Stages AD envelope (2 stages) to be able to, say, take a slightly distorted sine wave and turn it into a chest-punching kick drum with just as much snap as Maths, and it's easier to dial in different envelope shapes (Maths' shape knob takes you from 'Eiffel Tower' to 'rounded hump', but you need extra patching to get a nice 'shark fin').
The extreme settings shown in the scope shots are literally clicks, while a good kick drum was around 1/3 to 1/2 for the Fall slider (depending on how much 808 Booooommmmm I wanted).
I've had a problem with not enough envelopes and LFOs on my main system for awhile (even with 2 Maths and 2 Quadras), but having 2 linked Stages has solved all that, and I can now use Maths for the weird modulation it's so good at.
knifey
Has anyone already requested quad/divider modes for future firmware updates?

And yes, as others have mentioned, the Stages is my favourite of the 3 new modules.
pichenettes
Quote:
quad/divider


What is that?

Quote:
modes (...) firmware updates


Very unlikely that I'll compromise the design of the module with additional layers of complexity and mysterious behavior.
pieter
pichenettes wrote:
Very unlikely that I'll compromise the design of the module with additional layers of complexity and mysterious behavior.


Thank you! I just acquired Stages, and I find it very intuitive as it is (and my god, it's powerful!).

Fun tidbit: I used Stages as a step sequencer and discovered that the lengths of the steps are not quantized. This is great, because it allows me to create musical phrases that aren't forced into the 16th straight jacket.
SavageMessiah
I've got an ER-301 on the way so I was surveying my modules for ones that would allow for convenient manual control of some of its CV inputs and realized that a completely unpatched yellow segment is a fader This is fun!. Trivial, but convenient.
gonkulator
pichenettes wrote:
Quote:
quad/divider


What is that?

Quote:
modes (...) firmware updates


Very unlikely that I'll compromise the design of the module with additional layers of complexity and mysterious behavior.


w00t w00t
Brennanib
Vortico wrote:
Stages is now available as "Segment Generator" in the open-source Audible Instruments VCV Rack plugin.



Oh nice I was waiting for this!!!
orbita
Is it possible to set up a sustain stage that can be controlled by an incoming gate length or CV? I typically want a SR or ASR envelope with either gate (from sequencer) or VC from random controlling the length of sustain but I cant find a way to do it since the S length is controlled by the pot.

Great module, tempted to get another.
SB-SIX
orbita wrote:
Is it possible to set up a sustain stage that can be controlled by an incoming gate length or CV? I typically want a SR or ASR envelope with either gate (from sequencer) or VC from random controlling the length of sustain but I cant find a way to do it since the S length is controlled by the pot.

Great module, tempted to get another.


ASR is possible, using green, red (looped), green. It will remain in the red loop (sustain) as long as the gate is high.
hawkfuzz
Harmonic Oscillator mode exist...classic Easter Egg lies!!!!

https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/stages/13643/62?u=buzzard
forestcaver
And it’s very cool....
exper
I'm not home to try, but are they saying to get the harmonic osc mode, you just plug the expansion cable back in to itself?
hawkfuzz
I do believe
forestcaver
Ever wondered why the chaining cable is so long? Ouroboros mode.... (harmonic oscillator)
desolationjones
cptnal
That's a different kind of self-patching than I'm used to. w00t
pieter
cptnal wrote:
That's a different kind of self-patching than I'm used to. w00t


Get a room...
jicamasalad
pichenettes wrote:
Quote:
quad/divider


What is that?



Perhaps the poster is referring to the Quadrature output mode of Batumi, where the four outputs are clocked at the rate of the first, but O/P 2, 3 and 4 are subsequently shifted 90° in phase?
Emalot
hello everybody,
is it possible to have GATE out (End of cycle) for each segment?
for example is it possible to make a gate delay with stage?
Emalot
and second question, is it possible to make a Six step sequencer with for each step a different time value?
pieter
Yes, the time value is determined by the pot and the slider adjusts the voltage. Just make sure that the time between clock triggers is long enough to cover all 6 steps.
Emalot
thanks.
so in this case the trig make like a reset, is it right?
and do you know if it's possible to have trig out for each segment?
pieter
I believe it does, but I will check.

Edit: yes, the outputs give little decaying envelopes.
behndy
sooooooo.... as neat as it is, the standard Stages use didna click for me. but want to grab one to try the Harmonic Osc mode.

but questionsssss -

does it have multiple outs? or a mix out? what all do the sliders and buttons do in that mode?

meep?

thanks!
jicamasalad
[quote="behndy"

does it have multiple outs? or a mix out? what all do the sliders and buttons do in that mode?

meep?

thanks![/quote]

It has a single "mixed" output; the 1st slider controls the fundamental pitch, with the pot controlling fine tune; the remaining sliders control the level of the harmonics, with the pots controlling which note of the harmonic series each slider plays. The buttons select one of 6 (I believe) waveforms for each harmonic. Each harmonic can be individually gated and it's level CV'd. It is good fun!
pichenettes
Output 1: all harmonics mixed.
Output 2-6: individual harmonics at full amplitude.

Slider and CV 1: coarse frequency.
Slider and CV 2-6: harmonic level.

Knob 1: fine frequency.
Knob 2-6: harmonic ratio.

Buttons: waveform selection (sine, triangle, square, sawtooth, 75% pulse, 90% pulse).

Gate inputs: "ping" each harmonic.
mgscheue
[edit: no need since Olivier answered.]
behndy
thanks Olivier!

yessssss WANT. that's an awesomely designed thing for an extra mode. thank you!
nrg242
at first, i was thinking that post-ping outputs would be better, but i guess i can just mult the pinging gate and run the individual output to a separate, different envelope for variation.

nonetheless:

[s]https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/539346201[/s]



PS: gratuitous Thermae but you can still tell whats going on from Stages.
bah, never know how to get the SC embed to work, even without the "s".

http://soundcloud.com/naveen-g/stages-harmonic-exploration/s-eMTjb
joeSeggiola
nrg242 wrote:
http://soundcloud.com/naveen-g/stages-harmonic-exploration/s-eMTjb

Wow, that's it. I didn't want to try this, I thought "yeah, just a fun little easter egg, I have to unscrew it, retrive the box with the cable from the basement"... Until I listened to this!

nrg242 wrote:
i was thinking that post-ping outputs would be better

I didn't understand what you guys exactly mean with this ping inputs. What's their function? Are they triggers for internal "default" envelopes on harmonics outputs?

Also, another couple of question. Outputs 2-6 are harmonics or subharmonics of the fundamental? Is the fundamental CV 1V/oct? Thanks!
pichenettes
Quote:
Also, another couple of question. Outputs 2-6 are harmonics or subharmonics of the fundamental?


You decide the frequency ratio you want with the pots. The possible ratios are 0.25, 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 8, so this can either sub-harmonics or overtones.

Quote:
Is the fundamental CV 1V/oct?


Why would it be any other than that?
joeSeggiola
pichenettes wrote:
this can either sub-harmonics or overtones.

Coooooooool, thanks.

pichenettes wrote:
Why would it be any other than that?

I don't know, maybe I'm still thinking it's "just an easter egg". Unfortunately I can't try it this evening, but it's on top of my to-do list now!
pichenettes
All 6 CV inputs are calibrated for the normal use of the module, so they are calibrated too in the easter egg.
edgar67
Thank you, Pichenettes, for this module! My wife was going to give me Marbles for Christmas, but they were out of stock at DM, so she bought Stages instead. Today is the second day playing with it; right now it's patched mostly to my SSF Entity Percussion Synthesizer and I am amazed how much fun it is to use and how much better my synth sounds now! I feel like I have a new level of control that was absent before Stages. Bravo, sir!

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teknobryan
was looking at a scope of a two stage AD envelope from Stages being triggered by a clock, and I'm not sure how the duration of the Gate affects the AD envelope. If I use a trigger pulse instead of a gate would the decay start almost immediately?
starthief
teknobryan wrote:
was looking at a scope of a two stage AD envelope from Stages being triggered by a clock, and I'm not sure how the duration of the Gate affects the AD envelope. If I use a trigger pulse instead of a gate would the decay start almost immediately?


When there's no blinking hold segment, the duration is irrelevant. The shape of the decay stage might make it *seem* like it's holding I suppose.
pichenettes
teknobryan wrote:
was looking at a scope of a two stage AD envelope from Stages being triggered by a clock, and I'm not sure how the duration of the Gate affects the AD envelope. If I use a trigger pulse instead of a gate would the decay start almost immediately?


The module doesn't react to gate length, unless you explicitely use loop points, in which case it will continue with the segment that follows the loop when the gate goes low. For example, if you create an ADSR envelope using ramp, ramp, (hold), ramp ; (the hold segment is looping on itself), the envelope will continue with the 4th segment (the release) when the gate goes low.
teknobryan
Thanks! Another question:

If I begin with a Hold which is set to the top voltage of 7V, can I make the next Ramp go down? Is there a way to set direction for consecutive Ramps? Say I want to have two Ramp Ups together with different times?
pichenettes
The top voltage is 8V, not 7V.


The start and end point of a RAMP segment is determined by its neighbors (the rules are explained in the manual...)

For example if you have:

HOLD RAMP HOLD

The first HOLD segment defines the starting point, and the last HOLD segment defines the end point of the RAMP segment sandwiched between them.

If you want two ramp ups, you can program it this way:

HOLD (shortest time, 0V), RAMP, HOLD (shortest time, 8V), HOLD (shortest time, 0V), RAMP, HOLD (shortest time, 8V)

You have two ramps going from 0 to 8V, one after the other, with an adjustable time. You can even CV the start and end point, and use the duration setting of the HOLD segment to add plateaus to this shape.
joeSeggiola
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.

Please beware! I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I'm quite sure it will behave very strange if chained. Obviously I'm not responsible for any issue you might encounter.

For those interested in the code changes I made, here they are. Any fix or improvement is welcome.
forestcaver
joeSeggiola wrote:
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.

Please beware! I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I'm quite sure it will behave very strange if chained. Obviously I'm not responsible for any issue you might encounter.

For those interested in the code changes I made, here they are. Any fix or improvement is welcome.


Nice - I’ve done similar but not yet for chained modules - but have been adding that.... the pain is the overhead on communicating right and left - not sure it it’s significant but can only test with two modules.... I’m just concerned what happens with 6.... as I cant test that...
MARK27
Has anyone tried to replace the front panel on a stock MI Stages?

I have replaced the panels on a huge percentage of my modules and I've never had any problems until now.

I just received the new Magpie panel for Stages and found that I couldn't budge the two screws that are just underneath the SHAPE/TIME attenuators. I'm afraid to use too much torque, as one screw already started to strip, and I don't want to damage the unit.

Is it possible that these screws are not intended to be undone? Am I missing something?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.
mosorensen
When several stages are combined, the output of all but the first of the stages give the voltage of just that stage. I never understood the idea behind this behaviour, and I have yet to find a good use for it. Does anybody have interesting ideas for exploiting these voltages?

On the other hand, I often use end-of-decay triggers, and the only way I can figure out to get those is to add a short hold stage after the end of the envelope.

For anybody working on an alternate firmware, consider it a feature request to replace the voltage with an end-of-stage trigger ... smile

Still, it is a fantastic module. I found it to be very deep, especially when self-patched (usually, there is a solid lump of cables suspended over my Stages).
Sleipnir
mosorensen wrote:
When several stages are combined, the output of all but the first of the stages give the voltage of just that stage..

I have 3 Stages chained, and I don’t understand a word of this.
Mine act as one large device. Is there something I could try to duplicate what happens to you?
captainclams
Sleipnir wrote:
mosorensen wrote:
When several stages are combined, the output of all but the first of the stages give the voltage of just that stage..

I have 3 Stages chained, and I don’t understand a word of this.
Mine act as one large device. Is there something I could try to duplicate what happens to you?


If you have three stages chained, the output of the first (leftmost) stage is the one that actually gives you the complete function. The outputs of the other two give you just the voltage of that stage during that stage's execution. So if you have an two-stage AD envelope, the output of the leftmost stage gives you the complete AD envelope, the output of the rightmost stage gives you the voltage of the decay stage only. At least, that's my understanding.

I also struggle to find usages for these outputs, I'll sometimes just grab these extra decay envelopes and use them in arbitrary/unrelated parts of my patch for a little extra spice.
kamindustries
captainclams wrote:
Sleipnir wrote:
mosorensen wrote:
When several stages are combined, the output of all but the first of the stages give the voltage of just that stage..

I have 3 Stages chained, and I don’t understand a word of this.
Mine act as one large device


If you have three stages chained, the output of the first (leftmost) stage is the one that actually gives you the complete function. The outputs of the other two give you just the voltage of that stage during that stage's execution.


Think there's some confusion here between "chaining" 'stages' and 'Stages'.

I believe mosorensen and captainclams are talking about behavior when multiple segments are in a group together, separated by gates.

Sleipnir thinks you two are talking about chaining multiple Stages, the module, together using the connector cable on the back.
captainclams
kamindustries wrote:

Think there's some confusion here between "chaining" 'stages' and 'Stages'.

I believe mosorensen and captainclams are talking about behavior when multiple segments are in a group together, separated by gates.

Sleipnir thinks you two are talking about chaining multiple Stages, the module, together using the connector cable on the back.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhh good catch!
Videographics
captainclams wrote:
I also struggle to find usages for these outputs, I'll sometimes just grab these extra decay envelopes and use them in arbitrary/unrelated parts of my patch for a little extra spice.

Maybe it’s just because they’re there and, for many applications, envelopes carry more musically useful information than triggers and gates. You might say (and kind of just did) that envelopes are ‘spicier’ than triggers and gates. Also consider decay envelopes can often be used as (or easily converted to) triggers, whereas, if you wanted to reproduce the exact same decay envelope from an individual stage and all you had was a trigger or gate, you’d have a major challenge on your hands. And if the stage was being modulated, it’d be even harder.

Note that in some modes Stages actually does produce gates on the individual stage outputs.
digable-me
When chaining multiple step segments to get a sequencer, is it possible to ‘reset’ the sequence with a trigger?
mosorensen
Sleipnir, you're right, my post was confusing. I was mixing up stages and segments. Let me try again. I have a single Stages module, it has six segments, and each segment can be either Ramp (green), Step (yellow), or Hold (red).

I am playing around with Krell patches, and I need an AD envelope with an EOD trigger. The only way I know to do this is to combine three segments: 2 x Ramp, followed by 1 x Hold. The output from the second Ramp is not that useful to me. And it is a bit of a waste to use that last Hold segment just to generate an EOD trigger. It would work better for me, if voltage out of the second Ramp would output an EOD trigger (an end-of-segment trigger). That way, I would only need to use two segments, and I could have three AD envelopes instead of just two in my single Stages module (which would be perfect for a Krell patch). I hope this is clearer (and I realize this is a first-world problem).

To Videographics: If I understand you right, I can generate a beginning-of-segment trigger from the voltage out (but I need end-of-segment trigger).

To digable-me: I just tried it, and there are two ways to combine segments to get a sequencer:

1) You can combine Hold segments. Then you can set the voltage and the time of each segment, and you can choose whether or not it should repeat. When you trigger the first segment, it resets to this first segment, and plays through the entire sequence with the specified timing for each segment (with different timings, this could work well for syncopated rhythms). If you re-trigger in the middle, it will reset to the first segment and start over (regardless of whether it is repeating or not).

2) You can also combine Step segments. This way you can set the voltage and slew of each segment. Every time you trigger the first segment, it advances one step through the sequence; when it reaches the end, it starts over (like a normal sequencer, such as Rene). I cannot see any immediate way to reset this to the first segment. However, the voltage outs indicate the active segment, so you may be able to cook up some logic that quickly re-triggers until it reaches the last segment.
digable-me
mosorensen wrote:

1) You can combine Hold segments. Then you can set the voltage and the time of each segment, and you can choose whether or not it should repeat. When you trigger the first segment, it resets to this first segment, and plays through the entire sequence with the specified timing for each segment (with different timings, this could work well for syncopated rhythms). If you re-trigger in the middle, it will reset to the first segment and start over (regardless of whether it is repeating or not).


This is a really nice idea, thanks!
Videographics
mosorensen wrote:
And it is a bit of a waste to use that last Hold segment just to generate an EOD trigger.

Yup. Waste a segment on Stages, or else you have the option to replace all 3 Stages segments with a channel on Maths, Rampage, or Double Andore MkII or something else that does this natively. From that perspective, Stages is damn efficient — or at least really flexible and versatile. Just buy more Stages! hyper Use one as a kickass oscillator when it’s not doing all your extra EOD triggers.

mosorensen wrote:
and I realize this is a first-world problem

Good to remember all of us on this planet live in the same world. There’s nothing wrong with solving small problems as long as you’re also doing something about the big ones.

mosorensen wrote:
To Videographics: If I understand you right, I can generate a beginning-of-segment trigger from the voltage out (but I need end-of-segment trigger
Got that.
Catchthehare
Finally tried Stages as a sequencer. Voices are from Plaits, mangrove and Xaoc begrad.

joeSeggiola
Catchthehare wrote:
Finally tried Stages as a sequencer

Damn, that's a nice composition. What are you sequencing with Stages? Notes or transpositions?
Catchthehare
joeSeggiola wrote:
Catchthehare wrote:
Finally tried Stages as a sequencer

Damn, that's a nice composition. What are you sequencing with Stages? Notes or transpositions?


Thank you. Stages is sequencing notes, through OC Quantermain (off camera) and I'm using some modulation to alternate note masks.
Voices are Plaits, Mangrove, Rings and Xaoc Belgrad.

I will keep this patch going and experiment with transposing stages and rests.
LazyCircuit
Has anybody got a sample of one segment of Stages as a basic oscillator?
wechard
Sorry if this has been covered somewhere, but there's one aspect of Stages I'm not getting right now. Is there any application for a looping Step stage? I haven't come across any examples that use one, and I can't think of what it might be used for. Thanks...
Footkerchief
wechard wrote:
Sorry if this has been covered somewhere, but there's one aspect of Stages I'm not getting right now. Is there any application for a looping Step stage? I haven't come across any examples that use one, and I can't think of what it might be used for. Thanks...

As far as I know, looping doesn't do anything for a single STEP segment. I proposed that it change the segment's sample-and-hold functionality into track-and-hold: https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/stages/13643/112?u=footkerchie f
wechard
Thanks Footkerchief. How about a looping Step as part of a group? Anything that might be used for? Or is it generally best to think of Ramps and Holds as potentially looping, but Steps as meant to be used unlooped?
wechard
Just one bump...
pugix
The Step segment is not a sample and hold. It is a voltage follower with a manual slew. In my investigations, "The output follows a target voltage until a trigger is received, and then the next segment is activated. The target voltage is controlled by the slider and the CV input. The slew rate is set by the pot. The shape of the curve is decelerating."

If the target voltage is fixed (not moving), then it acts like a Step.

As for looping Step, I investigated all combinations of two segments, each with the four possibilities of not cycling, segment 1 cycling, segment 2 cycling, and group cycling. A cycling Step segment doesn't seem to do anything interesting, and often just behaves like not cycling.

http://pugix.com/synth/stages-investigations/

So perhaps a cycling Step segment enhancement could be made to really act like a sample and hold: on a trigger the segment captures the current target voltage and does not follow it, holding until the next trigger is received, whereupon the next stage starts.
mosorensen
Hi Pugix,

Just to make sure I understand, a Step segment does act like a sample & hold when it is a single segment, correct? This is what the manual says:

"A single STEP segment works as a sample and hold: at every rising edge of the GATE, it records and holds the voltage set by the slider [C] and CV input [1]. Use the potentiometer [A] to change the glide rate."

Am I correct that your description only applies to a Step segment that is a part of a group with several segments?

Btw. thanks a lot for your "Stages Investigations". You really demonstrated the depth and potential of this module, and that did a lot to convince me to get one myself.
pugix
mosorensen wrote:
Hi Pugix,

Just to make sure I understand, a Step segment does act like a sample & hold when it is a single segment, correct? This is what the manual says:

"A single STEP segment works as a sample and hold: at every rising edge of the GATE, it records and holds the voltage set by the slider [C] and CV input [1]. Use the potentiometer [A] to change the glide rate."

Am I correct that your description only applies to a Step segment that is a part of a group with several segments?

Btw. thanks a lot for your "Stages Investigations". You really demonstrated the depth and potential of this module, and that did a lot to convince me to get one myself.


Yes, you are probably right about the single segment Step. I'm going to look at that again, and especially if it is cycling.

Thanks,
SB-SIX
joeSeggiola wrote:
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.

Please beware! I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I'm quite sure it will behave very strange if chained. Obviously I'm not responsible for any issue you might encounter.

For those interested in the code changes I made, here they are. Any fix or improvement is welcome.


The wav is offline. Can I download it anywhere?
hawkfuzz
just clicked the link and it worked...try again.
SB-SIX
hawkfuzz wrote:
just clicked the link and it worked...try again.


Yes its working again thanks! Weird, yesterday all I got was a 404.
SB-SIX
Wow the harmonic oscillator mode is insanely good!
Godphaser
joeSeggiola wrote:
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.

Please beware! I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I'm quite sure it will behave very strange if chained. Obviously I'm not responsible for any issue you might encounter.

For those interested in the code changes I made, here they are. Any fix or improvement is welcome.


Anybody tested it? Does it work without any bugs?

Any risk to brick the module?

Thanks!
Hovercraft
Loaded it recently on my Stages--works fine--haven't noticed any bugs or problems.
a100user
Hovercraft wrote:
Loaded it recently on my Stages--works fine--haven't noticed any bugs or problems.


Do you have a single Stages or linked multiple units?

Thanks
Hovercraft
a100user wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:
Loaded it recently on my Stages--works fine--haven't noticed any bugs or problems.


Do you have a single Stages or linked multiple units?

Thanks


I have one Stages.
Virusinstaller
I had a listen to a friends stages with the harmonic oscillator and it sounds superb!
a100user
Hovercraft wrote:
a100user wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:
Loaded it recently on my Stages--works fine--haven't noticed any bugs or problems.


Do you have a single Stages or linked multiple units?

Thanks


I have one Stages.


Thanks
moncks_crossing
I have 2 mutable Stages. How can I wire it with switches so it can be switched between harmonic oscillator mode ( self patched on one module ) to chaining two modules for a 12 segment stages?
MvK
Are you sure it will work while power is on? Maybe Stages would have to be rebooted to realize the wiring.
moncks_crossing
It would be ok if it needs to be switched while power is off - in fact this would be necessary for it, as it detects the connection on power up and boots in the correct mode. The switches would make it easier without having to remove the module.
MvK
possible problem maybe:

It depends how stages boots. I guess on power up it checks some kind of ID on the connection to find out how many stages there are. If a connection is established but no ID is coming there might be a problem. Just a guess.
kineticturtle
Isn't the connector like a 4 pin connector? Just get a 4p2t switch and wire it inline. I would bet (and I'm just making an educated guess here) that even if you flipped the switch while the unit is on, the leftmost mode could be changed to oscillator mode without any problems. Worst case scenario one crashes, I can't imagine this would do any permanent damage.

Anyway thanks for this thread popping back up, I didn't even know about the easter egg mode, I'm enjoying the heck out of it. :)
CaptainRockout
EDIT: Did not read far enough back. I should have known someone would have already tried a firmware solution lol
moncks_crossing
I would be fine if you needed to throw the switches and then power the module for it to boot into orginal or easter egg. It would mean that therewas no need to remove the module from the rack to change the cable.
Videographics
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

(BTW, it’s a 3-pin cable that links the modules and enables the Easter egg on startup with the original firmware.)
moncks_crossing
Videographics wrote:
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

Videographics wrote:
(BTW, it’s a 3-pin cable that links the modules and enables the Easter egg on startup with the original firmware.)

But this can’t be done with 2 modules chained.
joeSeggiola
moncks_crossing wrote:
Videographics wrote:
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

I'm the author of that firmware edit. Unfortunately I don't know, and I only have a single Stages, so I can't make tests. My hypothesis however is that it will behave strange or erroneously. Probably the one you put in ouroboros at runtime will function correctly, but the other one will still think to be chained, and act accordingly. I really can't tell :(
forestcaver
joeSeggiola wrote:
moncks_crossing wrote:
Videographics wrote:
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?

But how does this work with 2 modules chained - can you still put one in harmonic mode with the long button press?

I'm the author of that firmware edit. Unfortunately I don't know, and I only have a single Stages, so I can't make tests. My hypothesis however is that it will behave strange or erroneously. Probably the one you put in ouroboros at runtime will function correctly, but the other one will still think to be chained, and act accordingly. I really can't tell :(


It wont function correctly :-)

I’ve done some similar changes that also passes the ouroboros state left and right to chained modules to switch them as well. I’ve only tried it on two modules but my concerns are the overhead (memory) on the right and left comms - especially with more than two modules.... I’d love to test it with six but....
CaptainRockout
Videographics wrote:
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?


I absolutely did miss them. Saw everyone talking about a switch expander and my first thought was "why not edit the firmware?" A shame it won't work for two Stages that are chained together as that is my situation too. Emilie recently posted this great diagram on the Mutable forum for a configuration using a DPDT switch: https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/multiple-stages-easter-egg/148 53/13
forestcaver
CaptainRockout wrote:
Videographics wrote:
Did the last few posters miss the posts about the alternate firmware that switches with a long button press?


I absolutely did miss them. Saw everyone talking about a switch expander and my first thought was "why not edit the firmware?" A shame it won't work for two Stages that are chained together as that is my situation too. Emilie recently posted this great diagram on the Mutable forum for a configuration using a DPDT switch: https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/multiple-stages-easter-egg/148 53/13


I’ve got a firmware hack working (tested) with two Stages. My concern is if it’ll scale to six....
CaptainRockout
forestcaver wrote:
I’ve got a firmware hack working (tested) with two Stages. My concern is if it’ll scale to six....


Awesome! I think two will be good enough for a lot of people, but more would certainly be awesome. I'm thinking of trying my hand at an expander as it would be a fun little project that a DIY newbie like me could handle.
moncks_crossing
Here, with her permission, is the diagram from pichenettes:
(But a firmware hack would be cool.)


forrest
Catchthehare wrote:
Finally tried Stages as a sequencer. Voices are from Plaits, mangrove and Xaoc begrad.



Beautiful patch, really like how marbles plays with stages. Is your Digitakt doing anything here?
Catchthehare
forrest wrote:
Catchthehare wrote:
Finally tried Stages as a sequencer. Voices are from Plaits, mangrove and Xaoc begrad.



Beautiful patch, really like how marbles plays with stages. Is your Digitakt doing anything here?


Thanks for that! Digitakt is only the master clock in this clip.. I have it as my default clock to Pam's, and this way I can always throw in some extra voices / sequences when needed.
lisa
Just got a second case that I plan to use on it's own, in a different part of my living accommodations from my other case. This time I'm also challenging myself to pick modules that I was interested by for my first case but back then decided against because they seem to complicated or far off my usual, simple way of working. Stages is one of those modules.

As always I start small and force myself to make music with what I got before I'm allowed to buy more modules. This is my starting lineup:



For the first couple of patches I've been using Stages in the harmonic oscillator mode. When I feel a bit more confident with this setup I'll switch it to the normal mode and hope that I get into the open world principles of it.

It normally takes me 6-12 months from recording a patch to actually transform it to a full track and release it so I made a short video just to show how I'm using the this setup.

Rex Coil 7
lisa wrote:
...It normally takes me 6-12 months from recording a patch to actually transform it to a full track and release it so I made a short video just to show how I'm using the this setup.

... what a neat video .... you are one trippy chick Lisa. thumbs up

we're not worthy hihi
lisa
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
... what a neat video .... you are one trippy chick Lisa. thumbs up

Thanks! I try to do something each time, even if the ambition level is rather low. w00t
Videographics
lisa, a second Stages setup as 6 LFOs could replace those two LFO modules and offer more versatility. (Maybe setup one as a HO and the other normal?) Alternatively, it looks like function generator could be useful. (Room for Rampage?)
snm
Any alternative firmware for this yet?
starthief
snm wrote:
Any alternative firmware for this yet?


This is one of the strangest modules to ask that about IMHO; it's already super flexible and can do more than one might expect.

But yes, there's a version that lowers the LFO cycle rate, a version that lets you toggle it into harmonic oscillator mode and back, and a version that combines both.
snm
starthief wrote:
snm wrote:
Any alternative firmware for this yet?


This is one of the strangest modules to ask that about IMHO; it's already super flexible and can do more than one might expect.

But yes, there's a version that lowers the LFO cycle rate, a version that lets you toggle it into harmonic oscillator mode and back, and a version that combines both.

I thought someone might be keen to get some of the Batumi features on this thing.
scuto
snm wrote:
starthief wrote:
snm wrote:
Any alternative firmware for this yet?


This is one of the strangest modules to ask that about IMHO; it's already super flexible and can do more than one might expect.

But yes, there's a version that lowers the LFO cycle rate, a version that lets you toggle it into harmonic oscillator mode and back, and a version that combines both.

I thought someone might be keen to get some of the Batumi features on this thing.

If a version made the LFOs bipolar without having to use CV, that would be great!
yalivec
Hey guys.
Can someone answer my question?
I plan to buy Stages to replace my beloved Xaoc Batumi. But it it important for me to have at least 4 independent slow sine lfos.
Can I get them from Stages?
Basically, I understand, that I can get even 6 lfos here, but I can't found how I can change them from square to sine, etc.?
Thanks in advance!
mgscheue
With looping ramps in Stages (which act like an LFO), the waveform is set by the knob, and sine is one of the settings. It's variable slope saw/triangle, sine, and variable slope trapezoid.

Be aware the output is unipolar. You'll need an offset for a bipolar LFO.
Zymos
Depends on your definition of "slow"- with the stock firmware the slowest could still be too fast. There is alternate firmware to lower the range...
yalivec
Thanks.
I mean so "slow" like "slow" in Batumi smile


And thanks mgscheue for telling me about unipolarity. Didn't know that.
Sleipnir
yalivec wrote:
Thanks.
I mean so "slow" like "slow" in Batumi smile
And thanks mgscheue for telling me about unipolarity. Didn't know that.


https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/stages/
Mutable website wrote:

Specifications
    CV output: from 0V to +8V. A negative CV down to -8V can be generated by a Hold or Step segment if this segment is CV modulated.
    Segment duration from 1ms to 16s.
    All inputs: 100k impedance, DC to 2kHz.
    31.25kHz refresh rate.
    16-bit CV capture, 14-bit CV generation with accurate software calibration. Error below 2mV.


I don't often use the slowest setting on the LFOs, but this would imply a 16-second cycle. I know they go pretty darn slow.
Stages has completely freed 2 Maths in my system from any LFO/AD/ASR duties, allowing them to be used as CV slews. I have a serious love/hate relationship with most multifunction modules, but Stages is all love.
cptnal
Talking slow, I count around three-and-a-half minutes with -5V applied to the CV in.
mother misty
cptnal wrote:
Talking slow, I count around three-and-a-half minutes with -5V applied to the CV in.


Hmm.. i'm getting around 12 minutes (feeding it with -10v from maths channel 2)
cptnal
mother misty wrote:
cptnal wrote:
Talking slow, I count around three-and-a-half minutes with -5V applied to the CV in.


Hmm.. i'm getting around 12 minutes (feeding it with -10v from maths channel 2)


I confess going "one-two-three..." for what appeared to be half the duty cycle and doubling it probably won't be accurate. The point is - sloooooowwwww. thumbs up
Shakespeare
I just bought a second Stages... the harmonic oscillator mode was what tipped the scales, but I also can't wait to hook them up for some long-chain fun.
JakoGreyshire
I'm wondering if the sliders have a center detent? Or are they smooth all the way through the slide?

Thanks
Zymos
No detent, but they don't really have a "center" anyway.
Chopper
starthief wrote:
snm wrote:
Any alternative firmware for this yet?


This is one of the strangest modules to ask that about IMHO; it's already super flexible and can do more than one might expect.

But yes, there's a version that lowers the LFO cycle rate, a version that lets you toggle it into harmonic oscillator mode and back, and a version that combines both.

May i kindly ask a link to version that do both? This one passed me by. Thank you for the info by the way.
starthief
Chopper wrote:
May i kindly ask a link to version that do both? This one passed me by. Thank you for the info by the way.


https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/stages/13643/143
Chopper
starthief wrote:
Chopper wrote:
May i kindly ask a link to version that do both? This one passed me by. Thank you for the info by the way.


https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/stages/13643/143


Oh of course, didn't think about looking there. Thanks a lot! thumbs up
BlinkyLights
I didn't realize it would sequence. Cool.
cannonball swandive
Would be awesome if sequencing had a pitch quantizer option
Sleipnir
cannonball swandive wrote:
Would be awesome if sequencing had a pitch quantizer option

Most sequencers don’t. Plus, how would you implement it with the current UI?
It’s right on the edge of being amazingly versatile, yet still easy to grok after reading the manual once or twice. Featuritis is bad.
lisa
There are twelve leds so one could imagine a version where you do some secret handshake to get into picking notes by pushing the buttons and move the sliders and the leds would indicate what notes you picked. But I agree, it would be terrible.
cannonball swandive
Yeah, just a thought. Awesome module for sure!!! Love patching this thing into itself!
lisa
You could also, of course, do it by ear. If it sounds good, it's good. w00t
Airell
joeSeggiola wrote:
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.


Thank you very much! It works for me.
I had to try several times to get the level/volume right (flashing red leds, level to low).
This v2, does it have support for chained stages (I have only one, but just for 'documentation?').
oldenjon
Pardon my ignorance as I'm new to 3rd party firmware, but does changing the firmware void the calibration settings?
joeSeggiola
Airell wrote:
This v2, does it have support for chained stages (I have only one, but just for 'documentation?').

I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I don't think it'll behave as expected if chained.

oldenjon wrote:
Pardon my ignorance as I'm new to 3rd party firmware, but does changing the firmware void the calibration settings?

No. The calibration data is retained. The normal flashing procedure, as described here, does not reset calibration data.
Shledge
I put a 1v/oct signal into it, then outputted it to a VCO. Very little loss, and I can use it as a slew limiter. Noice. cool
witchonhorseback
joeSeggiola wrote:
I compiled a modified firmware for Stages that let me enter and exit the "ouroboros" mode (the harmonic oscillator easter egg) at runtime, while the module is powered on, by long-pressing any button for 5 seconds.



You can download the firmware here and load it following the official firmware update procedure.

Please beware! I only tested it with a single non-chained module, and without chaining the module itself. I'm quite sure it will behave very strange if chained. Obviously I'm not responsible for any issue you might encounter.

For those interested in the code changes I made, here they are. Any fix or improvement is welcome.


Hey, thank you—just noticing this now; it's amazingly cool and useful.
StrangeAttraction
Just got my new stages delivered to me. Can't wait to try it out. w00t

What struck me the most when I first opened it, apart from the amazing packaging, freebie toy and the ingenuity of the design, is unfortunately these two ugly screws between blinkenlights 2-3 and 4-5. They detract from the aesthetics of the module. Perhpas, there's a way to have some blind screws/other solution instead for future iterations.
I know I'm being idiotically picky and I won't notice these screws in a couple of days (like I don't notice gaps between the modules in my case anymore).
But I thought it'd be good to give my feedback, even if it's of the aesthetic nature.
All in all - amazing module. Can't wait to play with it today! Thanks MI!
screaming goo yo
SB-SIX
Sleipnir wrote:
cannonball swandive wrote:
Would be awesome if sequencing had a pitch quantizer option

Most sequencers don’t. Plus, how would you implement it with the current UI?
It’s right on the edge of being amazingly versatile, yet still easy to grok after reading the manual once or twice. Featuritis is bad.


You could also compile a version yourself which includes quantised notes in the sequencer, or find someone that can mod the firmware...
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