Shledge wrote:Eurorack seems to have a weird thing where it's cheaper modules are well built and are pretty good, while some more expensive modules start to falter with issues like wobbly knobs etc.
By "more expensive" combined with "wobbly knobs" I'm guessing you're aiming at digital modules that use encoders. The "wobbly knobs" thing is mostly due to the use of less costly digital encoders. I really do not like "cheap" feeling encoders/wobbly knobs either, which prevents me from buying things such as the 0-Coast and other wobbly modules. But again, that goes back to the use of encoders rather than potentiometers, and digital designs use encoders for the most part. So it's more about a choice of digital vs analog. Many times some of these companies espouse designing products down to cost, rather than up to good functionality. I had a Novation Impulse keyboard controller that used such loose/wobbly knobs if you blew on them they'd change settings. Kidding aside, all I had to do was ~tap~ on the panel with one fingertip and the settings of nearby encoders would change values. I sold that, went with a Kurzweil PC3A6, now I have the most well built controller/digital synth I've ever owned. Great feeling controls. Very solid construction. Heavy!
Shledge wrote:Doepfer and Ladik modules are built like tanks, and I can personally attest to the longevity of Doepfer modules, having owned most of mine for over 10 years. Completely through hole too in most cases, making any potential repairs or mods easy.
Absolutely agree! But those of us in the Doepfer camp aren't using the Kewl Kidz stuff ... isn't Doepfer looked at nearly the same as 5U among the Euro crowd these days? Plain and boring?
strangegravity wrote: ....I'll throw Pittsburgh on the list of built like a tank and inexpensive.
Yea .... Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh (so to speak) and not the "Life forms" stuff that appears as though it is an entirely different brand. The original Pittsburgh module designs (the ones with the logo that looks like Dymo labels) are my favorites among their lineup. The deeply embossed/stamped (everwhat) brand name along with the general fabrication ethos is very appealing to me. But I am a little biased on that type of look. Um ... more than a little, actually. My preferences for that are satisfied in my DIY efforts by Front Panel Express ... engraved and infilled ... sick!
When I got my doepfer basic system years ago, I was particularly taken back on how solid the knobs were.
Yup ... pots ... not encoders. Same thing most all 5U uses. BIG 24mm POTS! Flying leads, large jacks, easy connect PCBs .... BEG for modification or use as foundations for very custom projects that involve repanelling circuit boards.
I dig on BIG switches as well as more working space between things ... makes for easier real time live performance control of the synthesizer.....
TheDegenerateElite wrote:..... I'm sort of tired of the variable quality in Eurorack. Lots of my expensive modules feel cheap and dodgy. The best ones are cheaper Pitts and DIY stuff I've done like RYO and Synthrotek MST.
The really hit and miss user experience is getting annoying as well. Some modules are fine to use, others seem like I have to fight to turn a knob or plug in a cord.
I am on the verge of dumping Euro for 5U.
DO IT!!!! You will not regret it ... ever. I made the jump a few years ago, had the Doepfer Monster Base case loaded with doubles of a bunch of Livewire stuff. Sold it all off, bought some Dot Com stuff, made my own cabinet, and now have a synth I can modify the HELL out of, as well as repair easily (all through hole) and I can actually get my hands on the controls and operate them with more than one finger. The "feel" of the larger 1/4 plugs/jacks during patching is highly satisfying as well. I only use Euro for the weirdo modulation stuff (there's only ONE MATHS, of which I have two) and real time controls such as joysticks and touch strips (2 Lightstrips and 1 Lightpanel).
YOU SIMPLY MUST GO FOR IT!!!!!! Step up to Man Sized Synths!
Shledge wrote: ....You need the ponytail first
Wow, what an original statement. No one has ever said that before! I take it you're a comedian looking for work?
dubonaire wrote:One of the best things about modular is you can have direct exchanges with the people who own the company and design your modules, even if sometimes they appear rude. That's something to be valued. I value three things, the functionality, the manufacturing quality and feel of the module (including pots fixed to faceplates), and the close link to the designer.
Totally agree .... Roger Arrick of Synthesizers.Com has always made himself available, even though he's running a large company and is ceaselessly designing new modules. The 5U offerings of today are answering the calls for greater functional density (without making them SO dense that they become less useful). Graham Hinton is another person that really makes himself available to his customers, and just as much so to his non-customers. Danjiel of Intellijel seems to be available as well. "Modular" is all about development and growth. As far as junk modules go .... dirt sinks, cream rises.