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That satisfying feeling when i only have 5 modules...
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Author That satisfying feeling when i only have 5 modules...
TOPLEL
...and they already cover 80% of the mono sounds i ever wanted to make.
They fit in a single Ikea Rast. 2X TH555VCO, CGS Tube VCA, Dual CGS ADSR and a Yusynth Minimoog filter. Once i will get a second rack, make a third VCO, a dual LFO, a TGTSH and im done.

On the other hand i've seen a guy on Youtube getting better patches out of a Microbrute than me of this stuff.
cptnal
Don't compare the worst of what you do with the best of someone else. No doubt the other guy doesn't post the 90% of his stuff that's shite. I know I don't. screaming goo yo
ranix
they aren't better they're just different
Stereotactixxx
Been there, had that feeling.

Then I bought more modules and realized I just didn't know what I was missing out on.
bmoren
Making compact dedicated systems is where it's at. focused so you can pull out every ounce and are forced to be resourceful. I am currently downsizing from 6U 90hp to 6U 84hp and even that has got me asking hard (but super useful) questions. as you said with that microbrute guy – more is not always better. I find that the deeper I get, the more that I can understand all of the details of a module the more power gets unlocked. so adding so many to the mix only further complicates or distracts from learning everything to its maximum.

For example I just started dipping into the Rings hidden modes after a year of using it, and that's pretty amazing.

I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the maximum number of combinations of patching via jacks (not taking into account turning knobs) and tried to do every possible combination on their system.... hmmm.....
Robscorch
bmoren wrote:
Making compact dedicated systems is where it's at. focused so you can pull out every ounce and are forced to be resourceful. I am currently downsizing from 6U 90hp to 6U 84hp and even that has got me asking hard (but super useful) questions. as you said with that microbrute guy – more is not always better. I find that the deeper I get, the more that I can understand all of the details of a module the more power gets unlocked. so adding so many to the mix only further complicates or distracts from learning everything to its maximum.

For example I just started dipping into the Rings hidden modes after a year of using it, and that's pretty amazing.

I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the maximum number of combinations of patching via jacks (not taking into account turning knobs) and tried to do every possible combination on their system.... hmmm.....


... you would like to think this now. Then when your thinking about a compositional system or like 8-10 voices you will be a little more than upset trying to get it all back and usually there is at least one module that will elude you. Granted you can always upgrade, but you may not be able to replace what you've lost. I've done this many times over the years even before being here on muffs officially and even in my other hobbies. I don't have regrets per say in Eurorack, but even if I've lost a module I've usually upgraded for functionality or some similar module.

This is specially true in Eurorack, because let's face it these electronics are getting faster and faster life cycles. It's either outdated or miniaturized or combined into some sorta other dip etc. etc. etc. There is this aspect to think about when considering down sizing.

Now on the combination thing it would be more of a waste of time than I assume it would be worth at least for most people's needs. This might be good for the number of cables you need, but like VCA's there is no such thing as to many and if you find yourself not using so many sell or trade those jokers off and put the money into something else.
TOPLEL
Stereotactixxx wrote:
Been there, had that feeling.

Then I bought more modules and realized I just didn't know what I was missing out on.


I think this just happened to me: I made a CP3 Mixer and now everything sounds almost as good as i imagined back then. Since i mixed my VCOs in the CGS Tube VCA which have a low output unmodded (something like 3Vpp) i did not drive my modules hard enough, now that i mix in the mixer then go to the filter and then VCA i can get pre, post and in filter saturation and all kinds of good sounds. Maybe i should get a "normal" VCA too and use the tube VCA as a distortion module.
Pelsea
The only valid reasons to limit the size of a synthesizer are budget and space. (Mind you, those are very important reasons.) Eventually you will come to a point where the size impacts the music you can make, and that is a sad day. Why bring it on early?

It is a good idea to know your ultimate goals when you begin to assemble a system, but those are guidelines, not limits. It makes financial sense to buy as big a case as you have room for in the beginning, because the price per hp is a lot less, and you won't end up with a hodgepodge of cases.
boxxgrooved
I wanted to like the Microbrute but zero random modulation and digital sounding control elements killed it for me. I really don't know if the Microbrute has a digital envelope and LFO but it sure sounds like it.

You can certainly make a nice small modular if you only need a mono voice. Like someone said earlier knowing what you want to achieve at the start goes a long way to help find a way out of the rabbit hole of Eurorack. It seems like you have found it already
He_lium
TOPLEL wrote:
On the other hand i've seen a guy on Youtube getting better patches out of a Microbrute than me of this stuff.


Do you have a link for that guy? My latest purchase after downsizing my modular setup a few months ago was a Microbute… So very interested...
He_lium
TOPLEL wrote:
On the other hand i've seen a guy on Youtube getting better patches out of a Microbrute than me of this stuff.


Do you have a link for that guy? My latest purchase after downsizing my modular setup a few months ago was a Microbute… So very interested...
TOPLEL
He_lium wrote:
TOPLEL wrote:
On the other hand i've seen a guy on Youtube getting better patches out of a Microbrute than me of this stuff.


Do you have a link for that guy? My latest purchase after downsizing my modular setup a few months ago was a Microbute… So very interested...


This series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cToL16O7Wc
pre55ure
TOPLEL wrote:


This series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cToL16O7Wc


Well damn.
Thats impressive. sad banana
TOPLEL
pre55ure wrote:
TOPLEL wrote:


This series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cToL16O7Wc


Well damn.
Thats impressive. sad banana


That guy makes a freaking hoover, modern brostep bass, vintage stuff, guitar lead etc. with a "single osc toy" and here i am thinking about building a third oscillator to get a passable square lead tone. Dead Banana
dubonaire
bmoren wrote:
Making compact dedicated systems is where it's at. focused so you can pull out every ounce and are forced to be resourceful. I am currently downsizing from 6U 90hp to 6U 84hp and even that has got me asking hard (but super useful) questions. as you said with that microbrute guy – more is not always better. I find that the deeper I get, the more that I can understand all of the details of a module the more power gets unlocked. so adding so many to the mix only further complicates or distracts from learning everything to its maximum.

For example I just started dipping into the Rings hidden modes after a year of using it, and that's pretty amazing.

I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the maximum number of combinations of patching via jacks (not taking into account turning knobs) and tried to do every possible combination on their system.... hmmm.....


Downsizing 6 HP! That's a lifestyle change.
He_lium
TOPLEL wrote:


This series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cToL16O7Wc


Wooow amazing! Thanks a lot!
honeyb
bmoren wrote:

I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the maximum number of combinations of patching via jacks and tried to do every possible combination on their system.... hmmm.....


The combinatorics are pretty straightforward on this one. hint: the answer gets big, fast, with each module you add.

makes me wonder if someone has build a module which does these combinators for you? smile Dead Banana
honeyb
bmoren wrote:
Making compact dedicated systems is where it's at. focused so you can pull out every ounce and are forced to be resourceful. I am currently downsizing from 6U 90hp to 6U 84hp and even that has got me asking hard (but super useful) questions. ... I find that the deeper I get, the more that I can understand all of the details of a module the more power gets unlocked.



I certainly agree with this philosophy. Constraints drive creativity.

But a well chosen new module can expand the creative possibilities factorially.
fac
Both of my systems started with 5 or less modules and stayed that way for a few months. My dotcom system had a MIDI interface, one Q106 VCO, one Q107 filter, one Q108 VCA and one Q109 envelope. My eurorack started with just a Wogglebug, but soon I added an Anti-Oscillator, Envelator and Borg Filter. It was a fun challenge to make a full track with each system.

In fact, most of the time I use similar voices: VCO->VCF->VCA modulated by a single envelope. The reason my modulars have grown is because I like having multiple simultaneous voices being sequenced from the system itself.
ckwjr
I'm new to this, a multi-month lurker and about 3 weeks into Eurorack, but this thread has been helpful trying to find the right mindset. I took the advice and built out one 6U 84 hp rack, now hope to spend a few months with the basic modules, then maybe think slowly about filling out another 84 hp. It really doesn't do anything interesting though except keep me out of trouble.
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