Effects chains with 200e

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Effects chains with 200e

Post by mutierend » Sun May 13, 2018 5:25 pm

I'm new to the 200e world and I love my system, but I'm struggling a bit to figure out how to integrate effects pedals. With the keyboards in my studio, I have patchbay connected to my interface and I route signals accordingly. I have the 227e in my Buchla system and it is connected to my patchbay via a pair of TS 1/4" cables. The 227e doesn't have send/return.

How do you integrate effects pedals into your 200e? External mixer? One voice at a time multitracked? Something else? I'd love to hear your ideas/practices.

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Post by moremagic » Sun May 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Isnt the point of the low audio levels in buchla so you can take the audio out from any module and plug it into basically anything in your studio?
A few adapter cables or Tinijax to 1/4" spots in the ol patchbqy seem like they would come in handy

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Post by Kent » Sun May 13, 2018 9:22 pm

C & D on the 227e canbe your Sends. Return anywhere you choose.

A 210e can be pressed into service.
Investigate an impedance and signal level matching device between guitar land and studio land.

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Post by mutierend » Mon May 14, 2018 11:55 am

moremagic wrote:Isnt the point of the low audio levels in buchla so you can take the audio out from any module and plug it into basically anything in your studio?
A few adapter cables or Tinijax to 1/4" spots in the ol patchbqy seem like they would come in handy
My challenge might be a matter of proximity between my 200e and my patchbay.

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Post by mestlick » Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 pm

Get a bunch of 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch cables and keep the pedals on the table next to the Buchla. You can patch the pedals between modules. It's nice to be able to tweak pedals and the synth at the same time.

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Post by Default1 » Tue May 15, 2018 11:25 pm

I have had no trouble running the 200e into effects pedals. The 200e runs slightly hotter than typical line level, but not by much. I do not have a buchla mixing panel. I just take the outs from the quad dynamics manager directly into a yamaha mixer, and use the sends from the mixer to go through a guitar pedal.

There is also no reason why you can't just insert a pedal in between two modules, same as using a module itself.

I just bought a bunch of tinijax jacks and guitar jacks and just soldered them up... works a treat

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Post by krv » Mon May 21, 2018 2:48 pm

I have a 207e at the end of my system audio chain, stereo out to a small Midas m12 mixer, a very unexpensive (if you already have a tablet) and good sounding mixer with 4 sends to 4 different fx engines + eq, compressors and so on + of course, two sends out channels for monitoring or for guitar pedals or similar

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Post by ArguZ » Mon May 21, 2018 4:11 pm

The modules are way hotter than the main outs.
Running an Easel into a H9 for example is perfect, same as using any external synth or guitar.
If you scope that you get like 1,5V peak to peak.
The only oscillator that does that level is the Zerosciallator V1, but lets not talk about that one.
In our 2H9 rack port we add a 10k/2,5k divider to tame the +-5V peak of a hot 261 or 259 to prevent clipping and such.
One can adjust the output level accordingly and get a pretty good level balance like that..

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Post by misa » Wed May 30, 2018 9:15 am

I run out A & B from my 227e through a delay, reverb and a looper. c&d go into the mixer dry.

in the mixer I have a Count To Five, a Moog delay and a few other pedals connected to various AUX busses.

sometimes I use the EHX synth between the 292e and the 227e to filter and dirty things up...

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Post by LVU » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:20 am

Just got the OTO Bim and OTO Bam to use with my Buchla 200r/200e system. They sound fantastic.
Looks like the Buchla runs slightly too hot for this effects (or they just sound better not feed too hot) and they don't have a gain knob. Taming them with a 206e works great. Still need to find a solution for live use without using an external mixer.

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Post by Happyanimal » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am

LVU wrote:Just got the OTO Bim and OTO Bam to use with my Buchla 200r/200e system. They sound fantastic.
Looks like the Buchla runs slightly too hot for this effects (or they just sound better not feed too hot) and they don't have a gain knob. Taming them with a 206e works great. Still need to find a solution for live use without using an external mixer.
BIM/BAM both have a setting to adjust input gain.

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Post by LVU » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:45 am

Yes, but I already have too much gain for a really clean signal on the lowest setting. The effects sound much better to my ears when I take some volume away with a 206e inbetween. Also when i use the BAM/BIM as external effects in my DAW they sound different, but I guess I have to double-check again.

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Re: Effects chains with 200e

Post by LVU » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:56 pm

Just received a 4 x 4 Passive Matrix Mixer from Rucci Electronics.
Great for using the same external effect on different soundsources and change the amount of effect while playing.
At the moment i go from all four spare 292R outputs into the Matrix Mixer and from there back through a Reverb (Channel 1) and Delay (Channel B) to the 206e. With the prime 292r outputs i also go into the 206e, so there I have also the dry signals.
Like this I don't have to carry around a mixing desk while playing gigs. A 210e could probably do the same, but at the moment I don't have any space in my cab.

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