||Advice on mixer with DAW? Possibly Mackie 1642 VLZ4
| br>I am looking for some advice. This might be a little long winded so apologies.
- Eurorack - 2 mono outs
- Two mono synths - 2 mono outs
- Analog four (2 outs) - Stereo outs
- Three stereo FX pedals - 3 x 2 in + out
- Plus the odd something else when I feel like it!
Now I have a RME fireface UFX and a focusrite Octopre. So I can hook all this (and more) up just fine. However, I really would like something more tactile while retaining the flexibility of recording separate tracks. Rather than looking at a screen and clicking a mouse I would like to turn the aux knob for a little more reverb or pull the fader to drop the volume or just reach over and twist the pan knob etc. I'd like to kind of perform and record as I go a little. Not really concerned about capturing one-off performances - just a few tracks as I jam and tweak the modular.
So, I figured if I got something like the Mackie 1642 VLZ4, I could sell the Octopre as its role is to provide i/o as send returns for the pedals. The 1642 has four aux sends. I could use the direct outs into the RME and record individual tracks for later remixing and arranging.
Would this kind of arrangement work? Could I also use something like the Mackie's busses to also record a dry track (or two, three..) in case I later decide I've overdone the fx from the pedals? Anybody using similar setups with similar mixers willing to provide advice.
I've looked on the web and youtube and I think what I am after would work with that setup but I have very little experience with hardware mixers and none at all with a four bus mixer like the 1642.
Any level of help / suggestions appreciated. br> br>
| br>I got a Mackie 1402VLZ4 (which I believe is pretty similar to what you are looking at) a few months ago, and it has been a solid option for working with modular. It seems very well built. It does not seem to have any problem taking hot signals from eurorack. I usually run direct out of a vca or effect module. This is my first mixer and I am still learning all of the permutations of doing busses. I have had some issues with trying to do sends to guitar pedals, but I expect that is somewhat my own lack of experience. br> br>
|tonymasiello wrote: |
|I got a Mackie 1402VLZ4 (which I believe is pretty similar to what you are looking at) a few months ago, and it has been a solid option for working with modular. It seems very well built. It does not seem to have any problem taking hot signals from eurorack. I usually run direct out of a vca or effect module. This is my first mixer and I am still learning all of the permutations of doing busses. I have had some issues with trying to do sends to guitar pedals, but I expect that is somewhat my own lack of experience. |
The little experience I have with hardware mixers was with a Mackie 1202 VLZ4 which is the smaller version of yours. And I agree they are solid and work very well with the modular. The thing with these smaller models is they don't have the direct outs (although I believe the inserts can be used as such with the appropriate cables). Only 4 on the 1202 though. They also don't have the subgroup outs.
My experience with the aux sends with pedals was positive. I think it's just finding the right levels.
I moved to the RME because at the time I didn't have space for a larger mixer and it (together with the octopre) gave me enough i/o for my equipment inputs and three pedals. The RME is excellent but I just really miss the tactile nature of working with hardware and the ability to have a good jam without even turning on the screen. The RME can be used standalone but it's menu intensive to do it. br> br>
| br>Was using an Allen and Heath 32 channel board with individual outs into a MOTU 8 channel firewire interface and a Persons 8 mic pre. Was often frustrated by routing, gain staging, and complexity with running signal out of the box back through outboard equipment.
I thought that I would be using a DAW as a glorified tape machine but, quite frankly, its hard not to take advantage of effective ITB techniques.
Switched to a Soundcraft Signature MTK22 and couldn't be happier. I have my usual routing wired to inputs through a patchbay so it is a breeze to bring in equipment that isn't hardwired into my console and the option to route all digital channels back out through the board with the push of a button makes mix down much simpler and more immediate. Lost about 10% flexibility and gained immeasurable usability. br> br>
| br>@ZLAL thanks for you input. Some things for me to think about.
I'd appreciate it if you could expand on what frustrated you with regard to the routing and complexity.
I hear what you are saying about the advantages of ITB. I do intend to make use of ITB techniques but before even attempting that I just want to get individual tracks into the DAW, without the DAW / screen / mouse getting in the way. Basically jam, record then use the ITB techniques.
I rely heavily on effects with a DLD and Erbe Verb in my rack in addition to outboard H9, Big Sky and Timeline. I am happy to record with those effects (although a track dry of the outboard in addition could be useful).
I am not looking to feed anything back from the DAW for outboard mixing. Just the main DAW outs into the mixer for monitoring.
I have looked at the Soundcraft MTK and a couple of other mixers with multitrack USB audio. I haven't ruled one of those out but I am a little concerned about driver compatibility with OS updates once the hardware becomes 'legacy'. With the RME I feel very safe that the drivers will be continually updated. br> br>