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Proposed Sequencing Panel - Comments?
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Babaluma
Hey all,

Speaking to Cat-A-Tonic today got me all fired up about the Hex Zone again...

For analogue style sequencing, I've only ever used a Frostwave Fat Controller (sold it ages ago), and a Future Retro Mobius. They are both excellent at what they do, but I'm fed up of not having a sequencer that can be clocked via an analogue trigger source, and I want at least three channels of CV sequencing.

I am thinking about selling the Mobius, and replacing it with the following Frac sequencing panel:

Left Ear: Oakley Lag
Main Rack: Blacet Hex Zone 1, BLANK, Blacet Hex Zone 2
Right Ear: Metalbox Slope Detector

How does that look to you? It will certainly be way more powerful than the Mobius on its own. I'm pretty sure I will easily be able to patch program the Accent and Glide functions which don't come as standard on the Hex Zone, but are essential for the way I work, right?

Bear in mind that what I generally use sequencing for is Techno acid lines and Berlin School sequences.

What would be a good module to put in the middle BLANK position? I'm toying with the idea of a Binary Zone, but I just can't really see how I would utilise it. Any other great Frac suggestions? Would you swap out any of the Frac Ear modules for others?

All help and suggestions gratefully appreciated!

All the best,

Gregg
Adam-V
The Binary Zone does make for a great sequencer on it's own but what about a burst generator?

Cheers,
Adam-V
Babaluma
Maybe a good idea, but I am not sure. I just checked out the Metalbox Burst Generator. Why did you suggest it? Like the Binary Zone, I can't really get my head around it. How would it help me with my "style" of sequences?

Bear in mind I already have a heavily modded TR-606, with trigger in and out for every sound, which should make a great partner with the Hex Zone's sequential switch function.

I'm probably going to start small, with just a rack, PS500 and one Hex Zone.
Adam-V
The burst generator will output a burst of x number pulses every time it is triggered. This could obviously be used for drum rolls but another use could be as a clock gate before a sequencer. Select the desired number of pulses, plug the pulse output into the clock input of a sequencer and the sequencer will advance by the selected number of steps each time the burst generator is triggered.

Edit: Here's the blurb from Ken's site, he describes it much better than I can...
Quote:
This module is a rhythm and timing accessory. It generates a burst of gate or trigger pulses at various speeds as set from a front panel control.

At higher speeds it can be used for washboard, maracas or similar rapid-burst percussive effects when connected to the appropriate sound generating device such as a ringing oscillator.

At lower speeds it can be used to step a sequencer a certain number of steps or retrigger an envelope shaper. The output pulses are quite narrow when the specified component values are used, and would best be described as trigger pulses in synths that distinguish gates from triggers.


Something else that might be worth considering doing is a passive "or" gate or two for mixing trigger signals.

Cheers,
Adam-V
tuj
Binary zone, seriously. Even for an acid bassline it will find you new gate patterns you hasn't thought of before, or you can run it to the filter and get the filter in a slightly different pattern (or to the EG for the filter).
Babaluma
adam and tuj, thanks, that certainly makes things a bit clearer.

i hadn't considered the idea of using the burst generator for triggering the sequencer itself. wink

the idea of using the BZ for slightly different sequences on the slews, or cutoff, or envelope decay times etc., is VERY appealing! wink
tuj
The other fun one to do, if you are clocking the HZ's from midi, is to use a note pattern in your midi sequencer, then use the gate from the notes as the seq. clock. This gets you funky clock timing depending on how you structure the rhythm of the midi notes. You can get some really cool variations this way.
Cat-A-Tonic
It just occurred to me that you can use the trigger outs of the 606 to step sequence the clocks of the Hex Zones instead of using dividers.
Since your 606 can be slaved to MIDI/Din Sync this also takes care of that issue.

The Binary Zone is great for stumbling upon patterns,
but with more control & predictability than a Noise Ring.
It is just really fun and immediate.

For the way I work, a divider with odd divisions is essential.
The MetalBox one is awesome, but the Logic section might not be essential for your purposes & with consideration to your space constraints.
Babaluma
thanks for the further comments.

yeah, with two hex zones, i had intended on using one of the CV channels for crazy timing control.

trouble with using the 606 as a trigger sequencer, is that i'll very often want to use it as a drum machine at the same time.

i am definitely leaning towards a binary zone in the middle position for a sequencing powerhouse!
darenager
BZ is the don for wonky acid stuff, I used to use mine with the Miniwave in quantizer mode, it works especially nice with an irregular clock - like from one of your 606 trig outs doing some odd rhythm.

I'd keep hold of the Mobius, there is not much else out there with the acid centric feature set and they seem quite hard to find for sale so you may end up wanting another, I have often thought of selling mine but always change my mind.

If you have the Micro LFO it is quite good fun to CV and gate it whilst using it as a clock source for say the BZ, so you can make the BZ speed up and slow down for some nice weirdness.

Tons of options with just those 3, but add some logic, dividers etc and you can make some crazy stuff.
thumbs up
Babaluma
yeah getting rid of the mobius is gonna be HARD! but i don't have space for it and another 3u of frac. i'm thinking i should be able to do everything with the hex zones and a slew and vcas, regarding accent and slide. i am slightly worried about loosing the authentic 303 glide style though...

i guess if i really miss it i could replace it with the orb, which there might be room for, as all the extra features on the mobius (sync24, hz/v, gate type switch, trigger, clock and reset outs) usually go unused by me.

i don't have a quantizer, so how is the BZ for screwing with timings, pitches and cutoffs etc., without one?

to be honest, i'm not really into crazy timings and stuff. it's all pretty much standard time signatures and western melodic temperaments. i like the idea of the binary zone more for introducing some synced and subtle randomness in the timbre. and possibly timings... ha ha!

lol
Adam-V
Sounds to me like the BZ is going to be best option for what you want to do. I've been considering adding another one to my system but it's way down the list at the moment. Too much DIY in the pipeline!

Cheers,
Adam-V
darenager
lol

The BZ is pretty usable without a quantizer as long as you don't care about tuning to something else with great precision.

Point taken on the size of the Mobius, that is my main beef with it too (as well as the archaic way of entering notes)

Oh yeah you can use the 606 trigger to reset the BZ too, good fun!
Cat-A-Tonic
Taking the middle road might be a good way to go.

If you get one Orb, and one Hex Zone you'll have your 3 CV outs
and the Orb will cover the glide per step
leaving the sequential switch of the Hex Zone open for other crazy duties
like wave sequencing and additional trigger sequencing.

This would also leave you with more room in the Frac rack to add more sequencing helper modules.
Binary Zone is an obvious choice.
With the 4FU left over you could ask MetalBox to build you
a custom panel with Pulse Divider & Logic + VC Divider with no mult.
Or maybe a Gated Comparator.
Babaluma
Good ideas! I'm actually now thinking of going with the original proposed setup PLUS a little Orb which could sit on top, or in front of the main modular, that I'd probably get last of all.

That would give me three completely separate sequencers, two of which would have two CV outs. I am presuming you can NOT set separate loop points for each of the CV outs on the HZ?
Cat-A-Tonic
Babaluma wrote:

That would give me three completely separate sequencers, two of which would have two CV outs. I am presuming you can NOT set separate loop points for each of the CV outs on the HZ?

That is correct sir.
You can chain sequences of different lengths though.
Then you can chain the chains.
Sir Ruff
Babaluma wrote:
i don't have a quantizer, so how is the BZ for screwing with timings, pitches and cutoffs etc., without one?


Dunno if you have a miniwave, but there was a quantizer/scale EPROM made for it that would lock everything coming from the BZ into something nice and neat.
Norman_Phay
Pretty mundane, but I'd stick a mult/att and a DAD in there.
Babaluma
thanks for the further suggestions.

i've recently got rid of the miniwave, as it was taking up valuable space, and the quantiser function was the only thing i ever used it for. i do, obviously, miss that though, especially with noise ring patches!

i'm all set for multiples, i have 11 already. the dad is a good idea. i've also toyed with the idea of something more "bread and butter", like a pair of micro lfos, or another EG1. or go REALLY nutty and put a pair of Bar Graphs in there. wink

i guess it's all a bit academic at the moment, as i am likely to start with a single hex zone, then add the frac ear modules, then add the second hex zone, so i am sure my thoughts as to the final BLANK space will change as time goes on.
Adam-V
Not a bad idea to wait until you have all the other bits you want before deciding. That way you'll know what you really need rather than speculating.

Cheers,
Adam-V
Babaluma
Adam-V wrote:
Not a bad idea to wait until you have all the other bits you want before deciding. That way you'll know what you really need rather than speculating.


definitely agree with you adam!

well, the mobius is up for sale, and as soon as that goes through i'll be ordering another frac rack, power supply and the first hex zone...
DGTom
The only thing that would get LCDs in my modular would be a HZ.

I bet it'd make the 606s trigger outs way more usefull as well, using the SW I/O bussing to "remix" the patterns being used in the 606.


I'll (re)echo the suggestion for a BZ. Having quantized sequences going into 1 CV in on the Blacet VCO w/ the BZ set to 1V controlling either the 2nd CV input or the +/- Octave control is awesome for transposing sequences. Makes a great tempo sync LFO as well.

Do you have a sub-oscillator at all Babaluma?
Babaluma
Yeah, it really seems like the Binary Zone will fit the best in the middle! wink

I am hoping that two Hex Zones, a Binary Zone, the Wiard controller, a slew, a slope detector and the 606 (with all trigger ins and outs) will make for an insanely cool controller, sequencing and drum sub section.

Don't have a sub oscillator at all, but have three Blacet VCOs, which is usually more than enough to satisfy my oscillator requirements. Why do you ask?

Just can't ever seem to FINISH my bloody modular, or get rid of that annoying GAS.

lol
Cat-A-Tonic
Babaluma wrote:
Why do you ask?

Because the Binary Zone's /2 & /4 knobs are quite useful for sub-octaves.
...when you are not using it for other things that is.
Send your sound source to the Clock In and get sub-octaves from anything.
The longer divisions are not as useful for audio unless your initial sound is quite high in pitch.
Babaluma
Cool, similar to the Frequency Divider I used to have.
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