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FH-2 with expanders
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thewizmusic
I have the new FH-2 and 2 expanders (one is on the way). I am trying to get a poly setup. I have used channel 1 set to poly with cv and gate selected. I can only seem to get 4 voices without enabling channel 2 and duplicating the efforts for the expander. It doesn't seem normal to me and I think I am missing something. can I use one channel for a poly setup the goes across all expanders?
thewizmusic
so I have been able to get it to respond. But I have been going through the manual. I have a question for anyone out there that has worked through this yet:

how do you guys setup your FH-2 with FHX-1's due to the jumper voltage changes? It is supposed to be used with multiple presets. Seems as though we would have to be super strategic to get multiple presets if we were going to use it with a poly setup referencing bipoler and unipolar voltages.

Curious how others are setting it up?

Thank you
thewizmusic
Anyone else get bad note sticking when loading something in ableton. I get constant gate on sometimes when turning another midi device on or loading a plugin. I have to stop the track whenever loading something.

edit: It doesn't matter if I stop ableton or not I just turned on my Rytm MK2 and theres that lovely note again.

Another problem is somethings the note sticks and only plays a really low gritty note (sounds like noise) everytime I hit a key on that one VCO I literally have to turn off my modular and turn it back on then reconfigure everything. This is like buying a nice car but when I want to drive it I have to reassemble it every time. Yes I know there are presets but when you are trying to get a feel for something I don't want a whole bunch of jacked up presets to clean out or go through.

I am also having to turn off the midi for the FH-2 every time I want to edit it. This is super annoying.

I have to be doing something wrong...and yes I have read most the manual.

I can't even imagine using this in a live setting...I can play it for maybe 3 mins before is glitches out. Maybe its ableton...I have no idea...I just want to play a poly setup.
os
A lot of issues there. Let's take them one at a time.

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I am also having to turn off the midi for the FH-2 every time I want to edit it.

Could you elaborate? Do you mean you're using the config tool in the browser while playing back MIDI in Live?
thewizmusic
Thank you for the reply! Yes the browser tool.

And yes my current situation is a mess lol
os
It's not really intended to work that way. The idea was more that you would configure it, then use it, rather than configuring it while you're using it.

Does it do the same thing if you configure it from its own menus while playing?
thewizmusic
Well I kind of figured that. Kind of sucks but if that is the case that leads me to a couple other questions. 1) is the made more to configure on the fly or to configure once and leave it? Maybe a mix of both? 2) how do you recommend managing presets and configurations with voltages? Since in poly it spans based on what is selected and the expanders needing physical jumpers changed?
os
1) You can configure it as often as you need to, but I wasn't expecting anyone to need to configure it during a performance, say. What is your use case where you need to use the config tool while playing back MIDI from the DAW? I'm not saying it's impossible, just that's not what I've had in mind so far.

2) It's probably easiest just to leave the expanders set to ±5V on every output. That's rapidly becoming the norm in Euro anyway.
thewizmusic
If I could figure out a way to set it up and forget it I would not need to configure it but in the studio alone I have 2 large cases with new and old modules. Digital and Analog. 0-5, ±5v, ±8v, 0-8v, 0-10v.


I guess my biggest problem is that the poly spans by itself. Unless you can correct me.

If I can set the CV's, Gates, Velocities independently on the configuration I could do whatever I needed to and leave it. I wouldn't always have to have each output always in the same sequence.

Sometimes I want to use poly with only Gate/CV, Sometimes I want to use Gate/CV/Aftertouch and of course I can setup configurations like that but the problem is when I get to large voicings or lots of poly automation/outs those jumpers are screwed for the expanders. I have to reset everything up. I wish this was managed by the software.

The sticking notes are still an issue too...this might just be because of Ableton, it does not play well with others lol. When I have 3 voice poly it always seems to be the 3rd note that stick and turns into this bitcrushed sound instead of playing a note.

Thank you!
os
Could you send me an FH-2 config (saved as SysEx) and a Live set that reproduces the sticking note issue reasonably often?
thewizmusic
I will send you the config as soon as I get home but I can honestly tell you the live set will not help you at all. It is super basic, just a midi channel (sending to FH-2 an audio channel receiving from Eurorack. I have consistently seen this problem using the arp in live with 3 note poly setup (CV/Gate or CV/Gate/Vel). It has happened here and there sequencing from ableton. When turning on a midi device like my Rytm MK2 especially when playing a sequence but also when its not playing sometimes.

thanks
thewizmusic
I think this is what you need:

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os
Regarding the expander config, I wonder if the MCV 'stride' parameter might help.

For example if you want your pitch CVs as ±5V, you could set outputs 1, 5, 9 & 13 to be ±5V, and always use a stride of 4 in your converter. So even if you just wanted poly cv/gate pairs, the CVs would always line up on the chosen outputs.

I'm confused now about when you're getting these note sticking problems. Is it generally, during playback, or only when turning on other devices?
thewizmusic
Doesn't the stride change if I choose more options like cv gate velocity and after touch? To be honest I might not grasp the stride all the way so correct me if I am wrong!

Is there no manual way to set it up using multiple converters but using the same midi channel? Is that possible to separate the cv from the rest?

As for the notes sticking it's actually both when turning on other devices and playing. To clarify it's not exactly a note stuck. The third note just always plays bit crushed sounds with no pitch or possible a super low pitch
os
The stride you set in the UI is a minimum. If you don't set it, it uses the number of CVs, so

CV/gate - stride of 2 i.e. CV/gate // CV/gate
CV/gate/aftertouch - stride of 3 i.e. CV/gate/aftertouch // CV/gate/aftertouch

etc.

but if you set the stride to e.g. 4 you'll get

CV/gate / (unused) / (unused) // CV/gate / (unused) / (unused)
or
CV/gate/aftertouch / (unused) // CV/gate/aftertouch / (unused)

If turning on other devices is affecting the FH-2, either
- it's causing a power spike, in which case you need to look at your power
or
- the device is sending MIDI when it's turned on, which is finding its way to the FH-2 and doing something unexpected. In which case you need to try to capture that MIDI and find out what it is.
thewizmusic
So I take it the unused ones can then be reused with another converter?
os
Yes, or mapped to a CC, or a Euclidean etc.
thewizmusic
K I think I might be able to work with that!

Thank you

I guess the other issues I'll just troubleshoot further and see where it takes me.
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