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Post by Panason » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:06 pm

hermbot wrote:
Whew, I'm glad you're here to tell me what I've found useful!
I suppose I should change my username to IMO ! :despair:

They are better than nothing .. but in my experience they are best dedicated to controlling a handful of parameters as there are only so many assignments I can memorise (forgotten if I leave the rig alone for a few weeks) and I always end up gravitating back to the mouse ( a trackball makes it less painful).

If they had displays you could program them to control all your gear and plugins, and switch between controlling different devices as needed. Native Instruments and Ableton have been trying to do this with Maschine and Push, but it's still a very superficial/ half cooked implementation on both... not enough knobs and badly utilized buttons and/or display real estate.

I'm contacting them to offer my UI design services. :lol:

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:40 am

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realize the MIDIFighters stuff was already covered in this thread.

Movin' on anyway ....
Panason wrote:Why oh why will they not make a dedicated hardware controller?! 8 knobs on Maschine or their keyboards just doesn't cut it.

Massive is a very strong argument against spending thousands on hardware synths. I wish I would use it but just cannot be bothered to use the mouse to make sounds.

Loving the look of the new GUI.
MIDIFighters "Twister" .... outstanding MIDI controller with 4 banks of 16 knobs (so 64 knobs). Each knob has a push-button function (push the knob down like a button) as well as a "Super Knob" function (push and hold the knob down while turning it). LED rings around each knob inform of the knob's position ... change functions or programs and the LED rings show where each knob is "set". Each knob may be assigned to any MIDI CC, on any MIDI channel (per knob!). I have the Twister ... the knobs ~feel~ better than most high end analog hardware synths, even those on my 5U modular.

$220.00 plus shipping is what they go for. I bought mine during the Christmas holidays when they were on sale for $199.99 and free shipping. Best MIDI controller I've ever owned. I also bought a MIDI Fighters "3D" ... the one with the arcade buttons and the motion sensor. So I have the Twister and the 3D. Amazingly useful MIDI controllers, and I've no trouble recalling which bank I'm in ... color coding is simple to recall, especially when you are the one that actually sets up and picks out the colors, and which controls are assigned to which MIDI CC. It's no more difficult that remembering that the red knob on your hardware synth is the VCF cutoff (or whatever).

There is configuration software that programs each knob's function ... the software is a free of charge download.

The entire enclosure is covered in a rubber-like material, as are the knobs themselves. The "Twister" has excellent capability. 64 knobs, 64 buttons, 64 push-and-turn "super knobs". There are also three push buttons located on each side (total of six push buttons) of the enclosure.

The Twister may also be configured as a sequencer.

Sold at "DJ TechTools" only.

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Or lookumup on the googulz.

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Panason wrote:These toys look cool and seem useful but in practice they are not ...
Oh really! ... so I take it you didn't like yours then ... y'know, the one you bought and used with your system?
Panason wrote:Especially if you switch to another bank, lol.
That's too bad, I'm sorry you didn't like yours.



Oh wait ... you've never even held one in your hand, let alone ever used one (if I recall properly).
Panason wrote:Colour coding isn't enough.
Isn't enough for you.

They certainly seem to be enough for all of us that actually own them. And I don't see anyone in the numerous video depicting the Twister in use having trouble knowing which bank they're in. These things have been produced for over five years now (in various configurations). And since they're hand made, the builders must be wasting an awful lot of their time building them to fill orders ... y'know since the Twister is so useless and all.

Funny, they sell very well (new) but you rarely see them for sale (used) on eBay or Reverb, or even here in Miffwugglers. Must be that owners are unwilling to let go of them.

But how can that be, since they're so useless and clumsy?

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Post by Panason » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:51 pm

OK yeah but when I'm doing music I'm often high as a kite and remembering multiple knob assignments isn't on the menu... :nana: I would need at least one of those knob boxes for each synth or plugin and that is just too much.

Anyway... Where Is Massive X? :cloud:

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Post by rens » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:41 am

I love the twister! it replaced my bcr2k a while back for software control (mainly channel eq/comp/limit but have been using lots of arturia sem v recently) and, via an iconnectivity box, it also gives me basic remote control of my hardware.
Rex Coil 7 wrote: Sold at "DJ TechTools" only.
Here in the uk amazon seems to have started carrying them.

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Post by Entrainer » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:32 am

Panason wrote: Anyway... Where Is Massive X? :cloud:
Looks like they changed the date to June 2019:
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Post by hermbot » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:43 am

Bummer on the new release date. But, given the high-profile launch I imagine it's worth it to delay rather than launch to less than stellar reviews due to bugginess. It's hard to shake that moniker once it becomes part of the zeitgeist.

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Post by Entrainer » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:04 am

hermbot wrote:Bummer on the new release date. But, given the high-profile launch I imagine it's worth it to delay rather than launch to less than stellar reviews due to bugginess. It's hard to shake that moniker once it becomes part of the zeitgeist.
Yes, it's true. I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, better to postpone and deliver something less than stellar.
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Post by skunk_hour » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:37 pm

Really not crazy about the look of the interface, but I'm excited for the synth. Massive always seemed like a synth that got unfairly pigeonholed into "dubstep" sounds, but it can do a lot more. I can only imagine how it'll sound with proper filters (the original's filters sound really dated).
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Post by jonne74 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:35 pm

Sneaky release, I don't remember getting any notifications. I just randomly saw Sonic Lab review it on Youtube. Anyway, I've been playing around with it for a while. I really like the reverbs. Tweaking the color dial gives some nice sweet spots depending on the sound.

The modulation looks daunting.

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Post by wminor » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:38 pm

Had play with this for about 20 mins or so this morning. Initial reactions:

- Sounds great, no doubt about it.
- UI is buggy. Changing things in dropdown menus kills the sound until I move another control. I'm sure this will be ironed out soon
- The modulators look really flexible, but don't feel the most intuitive to use. Maybe I just need to RTFM, but compared to Serum they feel kinda clunky.
- Where's the Phase Mod section?! (edit: found it!)
- The performers (I assume that's what the P stands for) look very interesting, but aren't at all useful if you don't have a large keyboard. Seems like low midi notes can be used to switch between them, but that's a pain if you only have a 2 octave controller. Maybe this is configurable?
- Lack of visual feedback for envelopes is surprising. Hope they fix this!
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Post by jdaddyaz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:09 am

Got my hands on it today as well. Totally agree with wminor.
-That UI is in need of some updates. One of the most annoying things is when you try to turn a knob with a mouse it goes AWOL, and is really sensitive to mouse movement. Luckily its not the same when I change it on my Push. Also the drop down menu interruption, although very brief, is certainly something that needs a little attention. Maybe they were going for an OG analog immersion, I don't know. Also, when working on two monitors, a couple of the drop down menus end up on the other screen, even if Massive isn't near the monitors border. Not a big deal but still a little weird. By far the most annoying of all these little blips is mouse movement which again, is extremely sensitive. Really annoying when trying to fine tune stuff. I'm sure it'll be patched soon, but kind of strange they overlooked something so fundamental.
-Sound is really nice, and the housed presets do a nice job of demonstrating the type of range you can achieve with tweaking. The engine also allows for some deep noodling here. I like the ability to add LFO/EVN as you see fit, instead of just having 2 LFOs, and 2 Env, etc.
-They were really going for a hybrid type of feel here. The routing is done ala Reaktor connecting virtual wires, however it's not as tedious as Reaktor can be with loading individual models and then connecting them, with wires and all of that. Knob assigning is done by drag and drop, just like OG massive.
-It has a very Reaktor ish look to it (as many have already observed) even down to the level bar at the top right.
-There isn't much in the way of visual feedback, which is sort of a shame, as so many vst synths these days offer really nice feedback about your LFOs, envelopes, and other modulations. I can't for the life of me locate an oscilloscope of some type.
-I still have to figure out how to utilize the performer options to add some depth to my patches, but it certainly offers some opportunities to get really creative.
-I really like the ease of assigning knobs to manual modulation functions. It's super easy, and if you have something like a Push controller, makes tweaking almost instant.
-One more thing. As of right now, this thing is a cpu hog. When playing some patches, and simple chord progressions, I'm getting up to 28% CPU usage. That's higher than I've ever had with Diva (with multi-core activated). That's going to probably need some optimization.

Overall it's a really great sounding synth, that has room to grow. It also offers tons of modulation options, that allow for some pretty cool patching. None of the complaints mentioned have ruined the experience, as odd as it is that N.I. overlooked them. I'm sure they'll get patched pretty soon. I just hope that they add some sort of visual feedback, even if it's just another window for an oscilloscope. That said, people are going to really enjoy this, and good or bad, we're going to hear a lot of it on many tracks for years to come.

Thinking back on it, there really has been a lot of great offerings lately, with stuff like Pigments, Hive 2.0, Omnisphere 2.6, and VCV Rack 1.0 coming out recently. It's really a great time for those who don't mind working in the box.
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Post by Kummer » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:37 am

This thing is a big let down for me. There is lots of work they still need to do in my opinion... If I had known how this would have turned out this way, I wouldn't have upgraded to Komplete 12
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Post by sitarman » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:03 am

If you have an older CPU that does not support AVX, Massive X will not run on your system! Buyer beware.

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Post by Monotremata » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:07 pm

sitarman wrote:If you have an older CPU that does not support AVX, Massive X will not run on your system! Buyer beware.
Yep NI just killed their entire tower Mac Pro user base heh. I was about to upgrade Komplete this month too just for it but nah, no more money from me.

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Post by FireApple » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:31 pm

Watched the entire release unfold yesterday over several different forums, it was an entertaining day!

Sounds great but NI really fucked up with this one. Too ambitious? The whole thing feels really rushed and totally unfinished. I'd love to chip with my thoughts after playing with it but NI says NO YOUR CPU IS WAY OLD, DUDE. I'm glad I don't need another softsynth.

the whole thing with having a static graphic for the envelope. Ni what are you doing?

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Post by FireApple » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:36 pm

OMG that was my first post! :sb:

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Post by ambientnoise » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:57 am

Monotremata wrote:
sitarman wrote:If you have an older CPU that does not support AVX, Massive X will not run on your system! Buyer beware.
Yep NI just killed their entire tower Mac Pro user base heh.
I have a 2015 MBP which is fairly still new.. Downloaded the demo and all of a sudden my laptop starts roaring and overheats. Not good :x Looks like no Massive X for me..

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Post by Panason » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:20 am

NI stuff usually sounds great but everything else about their software in recent years tends to be a Massive PITA. Native Access should be renamed to Native Ass.

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Post by wminor » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:16 pm

Panason wrote:NI stuff usually sounds great but everything else about their software in recent years tends to be a Massive PITA. Native Access should be renamed to Native Ass.
Huh, weird, I find Native Access to be one of the better installation / activation management programs I use. It's always worked fine for me and is extremely simple to use.
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Post by jonne74 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:54 am

wminor wrote:
Panason wrote:NI stuff usually sounds great but everything else about their software in recent years tends to be a Massive PITA. Native Access should be renamed to Native Ass.
Huh, weird, I find Native Access to be one of the better installation / activation management programs I use. It's always worked fine for me and is extremely simple to use.
Yeah, it's very straight forward. Waves on the other hand.. I can never remember how or which whatsitsname to choose.

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Post by jdaddyaz » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:33 am

Waves authorization thing gives me nightmares to this day. Really good plugins ins, but really clunky authentication process. Especially when opening up a DAW. Takes forever to scan Waves vsts. Thank God for the option txt.
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Post by twistedneck » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:40 pm

Was messing with Massive X over the weekend and it was very easy to authorize, just login that's it.

The sounds are insane and crushing, evolving, however I can't be kept from my modular stuff enough to get good with it!

Still, I had the laptop hooked up to NI all night and my friends were fighting for the keyboard.

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