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Author delay AND reverb pedal
kragg
Hello
I will be doing some gigs soon, so i will need some compact effects to carry away, as a replacement for racks and vintage, fragile stuff (like tape echoes).

I am looking for something which would do both reverb and delay, and which would be versatile enough to fit different scenarios (like capable of both "ambience/room"reverbs "and lush halls", "clean digital long delays" and "tape/BBD delays").

My issue si that i'm both used to the quality of rack effects (lexicon revervs, for instance), and not planning to spend $$$ on some pedals which won't be the core of my studio.
I would also enjoy an expression pedal input, and either tap tempo and/or Midi.
I know that's asking a lot cool

- I have a Line6 M5 which imho does the job quite well, but can do only one FX at once. As might buy another one (one for delay, one for reverb), as it is very cheap, not crappy sounding, stereo, midi, and with a nice expression input. But if anyone has something better to recommend, i'm open to suggestions smile

- I had a Zoom CDR, and wasn't convinced at all (the reverb sounded cheap, the delays didn't go into self-oscillation, and weren't made to be tweaked live).

- I played once with the Boss RE20, and enjoyed it, but i think it obviously might be better for vintage sound (tape delay & spring reverb), and not polyvalent enough ? It features both exp pedal and tap tempo and midi, though. It's getting a bit old now, but is there any Wiggler still enjoying it for daily reverb/delay duties ?

- I like the reverb and delay on my Elektron A4... but it's already used on my main bus smile

- Strymon seems wonderful, as well as Empress, but a bit out my price range... Still, i'm looking for some input about the quality/price ratio (i played briefly with a Big Sky and really liked the reverbs). On the web, i only see Empress reverbs used on guitar, and i can't really hear how good they sound. I often get disappointed with guitar reverbs when compared to my racks.

- The TC HoF is often praised... by guitarists looking for "conservative" sounds. So, is the HoF versatile enough for reverb only ? The pedal features very few controls.

- I have never played with one of those Boss/Roland desktop boxes (DD500 i guess, or something like that, maybe "giga delay" ?) : is it really good (like : better than the TC HoF and the Zoom) ?

- I am also considering a Digitech Polara, which uses some Lexicon algorithms which i might enjoy. But while Lexicon racks often allows deep tweaking, the Polara only features a couple knobs... and is mono.

Thank you in advance for any input !
Xmit
what about the new Boss RV500 ? that seems to offer a lot for the £££

looks like you can have a separate delay & reverb engines simulaneously.
zolar_czakl
That single knob is a non-starter for me, but folks sure do like that Eventide H9.
kragg
Yes, the H9 is too knobless for me needs Mr. Green
I will give the RV500 a look... and an ear.
Thank you for the input.
Infinity Curve
Maybe have a look at the EQD Avalanche Run?
kragg
Infinity Curve wrote:
Maybe have a look at the EQD Avalanche Run?

It's indeed one of the "boutique" pedals which i had bookmarked smile
(Still a bit pricey, imho, for something which i don't know if it sounds that good, compared to bigger companies with more affordable prices).
megamaeng
Have you looked into the EQD dispatch master? Doesn't quite cover everything you listed but sounds great and can be found fairly cheap on the used market. RV-3 is another classic and is even cheaper.
kragg
Thank you for the tip.
The EQD seems a bit too limited to my tastes (i like to have a tone knob on the echo, for instance, and at least several parameters to tweak on the reverb).
But the Boss might be interestting, i didn't know it.
GovernorSilver
zolar_czakl wrote:
That single knob is a non-starter for me, but folks sure do like that Eventide H9.



When I first heard of the H9, I thought the single knob idea was silly too, as they were also making a couple of 10-knob pedals (Timefactor, Modfactor, etc.).

I later got an H9 Max, with the idea that it would be controlled by MIDI sequencer - the sequencer would send the program changes, send MIDI CC to automate FX parameters, etc. The H9 MIDI implementation is excellent. Ironically, I ended up using it a lot more on electric violin and guitar than synth. The X,Y, and Z buttons let me access the 3 main parameters for the current preset, and I also learned Expert Mode for access all 10 parameters without the iPad. For any Elektron user, these button combos are a piece of cake in comparison.

That all said, the H9 Max has reverbs and delays that can sound massive, yet offer tons of versatility. Delays can be gritty or clinically clean. H9 Max also includes all the FX of the ModFactor and PitchFactor, plus some effects algorithms exclusive to H9.

There's also the Eventide Space pedal if you just want the reverb algorithms, 3 footswitches, and 10 knobs, and don't care for the other FX in the H9. Some of the reverb algorithms include delay, such as ModEchoVerb.
waylon
This is my "go to" if I need delay and reverb
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TE2--boss-te-2-tera-echo-pedal
But if You want something less expensive, You can try with this mooer
https://musicsquare.co.uk/147647_Mooer-MDL3-Echolizer-Digital-Delay-Gu itar-Effects-Pedal.html
kragg
waylon wrote:
This is my "go to" if I need delay and reverb
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TE2--boss-te-2-tera-echo-pedal
But if You want something less expensive, You can try with this mooer
https://musicsquare.co.uk/147647_Mooer-MDL3-Echolizer-Digital-Delay-Gu itar-Effects-Pedal.html

Errh, thank you but... this is delay only, right ? And the Mooer has very few tweakings zombie Sound-wise, do you think it can be on par with Lexicons ?
smetak
kragg wrote:
waylon wrote:
This is my "go to" if I need delay and reverb
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TE2--boss-te-2-tera-echo-pedal
But if You want something less expensive, You can try with this mooer
https://musicsquare.co.uk/147647_Mooer-MDL3-Echolizer-Digital-Delay-Gu itar-Effects-Pedal.html

Errh, thank you but... this is delay only, right ? And the Mooer has very few tweakings zombie Sound-wise, do you think it can be on par with Lexicons ?


In regard to Mooer, I guess this is what you want:

http://www.mooeraudio.com/?product/201612071629.html
kragg
Ah, yes, really ? Thank you for the suggestion.
I had seen it a while ago, but i thought it might be cheap, vanilla software code put into a box... I will investigate smile
Did you use it yourself ? What were your impressions ?
smetak
kragg wrote:
Ah, yes, really ? Thank you for the suggestion.
I had seen it a while ago, but i thought it might be cheap, vanilla software code put into a box... I will investigate smile
Did you use it yourself ? What were your impressions ?


Well, its no Strymon for sure, but its like $60 or $70 at most - quite cheap.

I have one in a miniboard, full of mini pedals - its decent, works ok.

And for the price, I don't know anything cheaper that will do both delay and reverb.
kragg
Ok, thank you. I may try one smile
Did anyone try the Empress Reverb ? Is it on par with a Strymon ?
Summa
kragg wrote:
Ok, thank you. I may try one smile
Did anyone try the Empress Reverb ? Is it on par with a Strymon ?


I've tried both the Reverb and the Echosystem and they're both great pedals. Not cheap though..
nrg242
not sure what your price range is but the Mooer Ocean Machine sounded pretty good to me, and has more knobs. its no strymon or empress but the demos seem solid.

http://www.mooeraudio.com/?product/201701227426.html
kragg
Yes, the Mooer Ocean Machine...
Feature-wise, it seems good... The trouble is that i don't know anybody who already played one, i never saw it in a shop, and... how ugly it is !
I will consider it, if i can find a nice, comprehensive and hi-fi demo on the web (with synths).
Else, for 100$ more, i might go for a used Strymon or Eventide (which quality is proven, and loved by many users).
Did any wigglers try it already ?
starthief
Specular Tempus, maybe? Richard Devine posted it on his IG today, which got me curious, and the YouTube demos I've seen have pushed it to the top of my want list. I'm not keen on how they put jacks on front, but I'll cope.
kragg
Thank you, i will give it a look !
Xmit
^
cheers for the heads-up on the specular tempus - didn't even know it existed & now I'm severely interested.

greeat video here - if you want the gravy just jump to about 11' 45" :

kragg
It sounds good, indeed. Soft, in a good way, imho. Thank you for the link.
I'm not too keen on the navigation, but i think once you're used to it must be fine. The price is ok, i may be considering it.
61050
holy shit. that pedal... eek!

never heard of it until now.
gozonoe
Has anyone played with the specular tempus in person. Looks easy enough to navigate. I have the timefactor at the moment, great delay pedal but I am sometimes curious if its overkill.
grep
Summa wrote:
kragg wrote:
Ok, thank you. I may try one smile
Did anyone try the Empress Reverb ? Is it on par with a Strymon ?


I've tried both the Reverb and the Echosystem and they're both great pedals. Not cheap though..


I have both and they are wonderful. I use them in a pretty traditional way but you can get very deep into these, especially the Echosystem.
kragg
Thank you for your advice, Grep.
Rex Coil 7
Line 6 M13

.... I have two of them, my wife has one, and my live-in disabled younger brother has one of them. So we have four M13s in our combined home studios.

TALENTS:

*** Four FX "blocks", each with something like 130+ FX models to choose from.

*** Sets of twelve FX models of your choosing arranged in "Scenes". You may name your Scenes using any names you wish.

*** 48 Scene memory (that comes to 576 FX model user presets).

*** Auto-Save function ... it automatically saves all of your FX settings without having to do anything ... just set up your FX sounds, and your work is auto-saved. This function may be changed so you must manually "push this, pull that" to save your settings.

*** You may set the signal flow to go from left to right, or right to left.

*** Ability to split the four FX blocks into two separate completely independent ~chunks~ using the full on stereo send/return jacks.

*** The Send/Return "split" may be placed in the signal chain at any point between the four FX blocks (between 1-3 ... 2-2 ... 3-1).

*** Ability to use TWO expression pedals (totally assignable to each of the four FX blocks and assignable to any/all of the five controls per FX block ... some functions can be increasing while others are decreasing as you go from heel to toe).

*** Full stereo In/Out, full-on MIDI I/O (5 pin DIN at that!).

*** The 24/48 second phrase looper makes the M13 highly unique. When recording a loop, the phrase looper may be placed either before the FX or after the FX when capturing a phrase ... you can capture a phrase with any/all of the FX applied to it ... and then the phrase may then be played back before the 4 FX blocks so you may apply even more FX to the captured loop.

*** The loop can be played back in reverse (foot-switchable) and placed before the FX so you can apply the FX to a reversed loop.

*** The loop can be played back at half speed (foot-switchable) and placed before the FX so you can apply the FX to the half speed loop.

*** You can use expression pedals (up to 2 of them) to tweek the FX that any of these loops are being recorded with, and/or played back through.

*** I took things a bit farther by building a simple/inexpensive joystick, I plug the X axis into one expression pedal input, and the Y axis into the other expression pedal input. The M13 doesn't know an expression pedal from a B10K pot ... so you may use pots (knobs), or a joystick, or expression pedals plugged into the "expression" input jacks.

You already know what is packed inside the M13 (sounds/fx) since you have an M5.

I've been able to buy the M13 for as little as $225.00 shipped (used) in excellent condition on eBay. Just be patient and persistent.

What else can you buy for $225.00 shipped that provides all of that function and sound?

Mr. Green
kragg
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
You already know what is packed inside the M13 (sounds/fx) since you have an M5.

Yes smile
And one neat thing i like about the M5 is that you can map several parameters to the single expression pedal, each one with a different range SlayerBadger!
Like you mentioned, I built a simple "one knob box" that i can put on top of an electric piano, and it can change both the mix, decay time and and tone at once.

The M13 seems a bit too big for my live rig (i have a Zoom G3, which has a nice form factor, but is a bit weak when it comes to delays and reverbs).
kragg
I just discovered this one today :

https://collisiongears.com/
https://www.facebook.com/collisiondevices/
xenosapien
@the BOSS RE-20:

I have one and recently used it as my sole send/return FX for a small improvised live set with a modular...

from that I can confirm: great characterful sounds, "vintage" in a box that requires no tape changes or maintenance

BUT:
if you need clearly audible repeats, you´ll have to dial that in VERY carefully and probably not use the reverb part.

it gets muddy/cloudy really fast, not in a bad way - but very definitely not able to get that clean sound most of the other boxes mentioned here provide.
Addam
Any lucky ducks get to play one of these from the first run? Second run supposedly coming soon. Looks like 229 USD

smetak
From Old Blood Noise, got their second version of the Dark Star - man, that bitcrusher mode is out of this world! - and their new Flat Light where you can get some really great modulation.
chinard
Another vote for the Mooer Ocean Machine
It has become my go-to box for almost everything lately and has plenty of knobs going on.
Effectively if you are just looking at it from the front panel point of view, both delays and reverb can be used without any menu diving, and with 'trails' enabled you can change reverb and delay modes while playing.
Each effect gets a dedicated mode knob and 4 dedicated parameter knobs. very easy to use without getting sucked into preset hell

You can also change the chaining pattern on the fly as well which is super interesting. Especially handy with the built in looper being able to insert it anywhere in the chain.
The looper is pretty damn basic and unfortunately has no undo, but it does support 1/2 speed and reverse.

There is an optional 'wireless' foot controller for it, but i found it to be more or less useless, and they did not think far enough ahead to allow you to remap the switch function.
What works better instead i find is a SourceAudio Soleman MIDI foot controller. With this you can really expand what the ocean machine can do, plus have the pedal at desktop height for knob tweaking while controlling with your feet.
Some of the extra things i have mine configured for are: Freeze effect for reverb/delay1/delay2, reverb shimmer control, extended looper control, and i can also use an expression pedal to control the input vol like a morley pedal.
wvrm
Doesn't tick all your boxes, but the Boss RV-3 is damn good and can be had quite cheaply.
Struggle
Just scored a Specular Tempus from a friend and I’m in love. Really just wanted it for the lush verbs, but I’m pretty stoked with the delays so far too. Easier to navigate than I had expected.
kragg
Thank you all for the tips !
Zube
Addam wrote:
Any lucky ducks get to play one of these from the first run? Second run supposedly coming soon. Looks like 229 USD



Friends of friends of made this. Great players and nice people. Haven't had a chance to try myself, but it is a new favorite of those i trust who have one.
Addam
Zube
Very cool. I just ordered an OBNE dweller, which is the first guitar pedal I’ve bought in a couple years. If I can sell some stuff I’d like to grab the Rever too.
a100user
Just a wild offering but Nick @ Sonic State uses one of these on his demos and I really like the sound - more reverb than delay but does cover delay ground too.

https://www.sourceaudio.net/ventris-dual-reverb.html
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