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Distortion... is overused
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Author Distortion... is overused
Panason
Just dial it down already.... w00t
silverstrider
+1 on that. Its nice and all that but sometimes I wonder if its the music or my headphone battery is on the way out.
Panason
Without a contrast with clean sounds it just makes the whole thing sound flat and tiring.
solaris
reverb abuse is even worse
cv_rave_on
Panason

All of your posts are so negative. Like you know everything about everything and no one can tell you that they are wrong. There is a word for people like you, but it is too early in the morning for it to come to mind. Maybe insatiable or pantomath. I need my coffee.

Have you ever thought about getting laid? Maybe read a book on the middle way of Buddhism or something?

I would love to hear your music. Links?
Panason
I have been getting laid (in fact I need a break!) and have got the message from the Buddhist teachings, thanks.
I'm more of a punk Daoist. It's through the negative that we can arrive at the positive, yo!

Anyway, buster , are you questioning my authoritah!!!! I am a sought-after professional style consultant and cultural advisor, I'll have you know! lol

It would be boring if I prefaced every statement with IMO... you should know that discussions on sound quality and what is "good" music are always subjective and not really any different than teenager discussions on which is the best metal band in the world...

The point is: distortion is overused and is not so cool if applied indiscriminately. Nobody cares about your tubes.

IMO!
lisa
I don’t like to use distortion much myself, it tends to hide all the work I’ve put in, but loads of distortion often sounds cool when others do it.
thevegasnerve
Panason wrote:
I have been getting laid (in fact I need a break!) and have got the message from the Buddhist teachings, thanks.
I'm more of a punk Daoist. It's through the negative that we can arrive at the positive, yo!

Anyway, buster , are you questioning my authoritah!!!! I am a sought-after professional style consultant and cultural advisor, I'll have you know! lol

It would be boring if I prefaced every statement with IMO... you should know that discussions on sound quality and what is "good" music are always subjective and not really any different than teenager discussions on which is the best metal band in the world...

The point is: distortion is overused and is not so cool if applied indiscriminately. Nobody cares about your tubes.

IMO!


give us some examples. I will say when I was younger I thought distortion was crap. Then I started playing in live bands with very good guitar players and listened to really good synth players that used distortion or overdrive at times. The harmonics can be beautiful if done correctly.
thevegasnerve
I love around the 2:55 mark of this song with the distorted organ, so sweet sounding.

Flaming Lips
BugBrand
thevegasnerve wrote:
Panason wrote:
I have been getting laid..


give us some examples. ...


Umm, NO!
Panason
Can ask Metasonix
thevegasnerve
Panason wrote:
Can ask Metasonix


I would love to work with some Metasonix gear, would be fun to see what I could coax out of it.. Seriously, listen to the Flamings Lips tune. Its really stunning when it kicks in. Amazing band. Their sound engineer loves to crunch the heck out of their stuff from time to time.
Scories
Thanks for the tip, but I think I haven't used distortion over the last 17 years.
memes_33
i like distortion. for some it's an aesthetic. i've been on a huge ty segall kick lately and his stuff is distorted AF.
thevegasnerve
Scories wrote:
Thanks for the tip, but I think I haven't used distortion over the last 17 years.


Not even a little teeny weeny overdrive from your modules or pedals?!
listentoaheartbeat
How can a fundamental concept in signal processing be overused? Distortion is everywhere!
Reese P. Dubin
How can you be a sought-after professional style consultant and cultural advisor and have time to post 1700 times in 7 months?

everything is overused because there is just too much of everything
matthewjuran
The difference is using it to try to sound good versus adding it to make the sound better.
pricklyrobot
This whole ‘music that exists in the audible spectrum’ fad is pretty played out if you ask me.

I’m going strictly dog-whistle-and-earthquake-machine-core from now on!
Panason
pricklyrobot wrote:
This whole ‘music that exists in the audible spectrum’ fad is pretty played out if you ask me.

I’m going strictly dog-whistle-and-earthquake-machine-core from now on!
/

That's the spirit!
Quote:


How can you be a sought-after professional style consultant and cultural advisor and have time to post 1700 times in 7 months?


That's NOT the spirit!

This seems perplexing to a few people here but if you do the maths you will see this averages out to 8 posts per day which only takes about 20 minutes to do... Also, the job description is a joke. whoooosh.
Reese P. Dubin
Panason wrote:
. Also, the job description is a joke. whoooosh.


I figured as much.

I have some good distortions but I never use them. Finding patch sweet spots that overload and bog down and sound shit is much more fun.
Dragonaut
8 posts a day. Jesus.
Trilo
Your mom.... is overused.













(sorry, I had to)
thevegasnerve
pricklyrobot wrote:
This whole ‘music that exists in the audible spectrum’ fad is pretty played out if you ask me.

I’m going strictly dog-whistle-and-earthquake-machine-core from now on!


absolutely, one day my music will be heard properly as technology improves..
matthewjuran
cv_rave_on wrote:
Panason

All of your posts are so negative. Like you know everything about everything and no one can tell you that they are wrong. There is a word for people like you, but it is too early in the morning for it to come to mind. Maybe insatiable or pantomath. I need my coffee.

Dragonaut wrote:
8 posts a day. Jesus.

She turned me into a newt!
Panason
Trilo wrote:
Your mom.... is overused.
She hangs out with yours and told me you still live with her!

I'll leave you guys to lock down the thread, just remember next time you dial up that distortion: it's bad! Rockin' Banana!
Trilo
Panason wrote:
Trilo wrote:
Your mom.... is overused.
She hangs out with yours and told me you still live with her!


I live with mommy because I decided I want to be cool and become a EDM/dubstep/trap/[insert current trending genre] producer, working outside the box, and I need those pricey distortions and synthies yo!
Dcramer
BugBrand wrote:
thevegasnerve wrote:
Panason wrote:
I have been getting laid..


give us some examples. ...


Umm, NO!


we're not worthy
thevegasnerve
Panason wrote:
Trilo wrote:
Your mom.... is overused.
She hangs out with yours and told me you still live with her!

I'll leave you guys to lock down the thread, just remember next time you dial up that distortion: it's bad! Rockin' Banana!


You probably love pouring that weed killer in the concrete cracks too, don’t you? Dead Banana seriously, i just don't get it
ambientnoise
Say that to the noise guys..
Moskowitz
Now it is clear why people on muff wiggler feel so superior to gearslutz...
slumberjack
got baes is nice with it's distorted kickdrum. would play.
Funky40
Reese P. Dubin wrote:


everything is overused because there is just too much of everything

panasons "submit" button is overused !
we should start to discuss this finally



All the music with overused distortion won´t reach me if i don´t want to,
but panasons oversuse of the "submit" button does.


oh well, i couldn´t really read the thread, cause panason was the first person ever here at muffs that made me use my "ignore" button.


anyway, i might soon start the panason haters club, cause its just fun to do so........ lol negativity you know, jo.....i´m too a punk, zen anyway........i indeed grow on negativity too hihi

ahh wait, some negativity is just stupidity.......just wrongly declared........panasons declaration was not very precise..........he must post thru a distortion pedal me thinks lol
orangehexagon
Funky40 wrote:
panasons "submit" button is overused !
we should start to discuss this finally



Slam dunk. I love how Muffs people like to complain about Gearslutz, but honestly, there seems to be a lot more useful information and constructive conversation happening over at Gearslutz.


It was mentioned earlier, but I feel like it needs repeating... the harmonics you can get when you take the time to dial in distortion can create some amazing new dimensions to the sound.

There's just too much of everything nowadays... its just up to you to choose what you listen to. I personally am a bit tired of aimless, soft/pretty, modular ambient music, esp on Youtube... but as a result I've stopped clicking on the videos that look like that (i.e. hazey instagram filters etc. etc.)
dubonaire
orangehexagon wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
panasons "submit" button is overused !
we should start to discuss this finally



Slam dunk. I love how Muffs people like to complain about Gearslutz, but honestly, there seems to be a lot more useful information and constructive conversation happening over at Gearslutz.


Unfortunately I largely agree with you. Not sure it was always thus. I think there is a general view that 200 page "have you done a null test?" pissing contests happen here, but happen with less frequency and abuse.

The other thing is that most, but not all, people on here actually own the gear they give opinions about. My gut feel is that a good proportion of the expertise given on some of the subforums on gearslutz is imaginary.

Still, if I am interested in new production hardware I will definitely use Gearslutz as a resource, it is the best, just paying caution to comments like "really opened up the highs".
thetwlo
ambientnoise
Is there any other way to achieve distortion without distortion pedals on modular?
Jarvus
I would say subtle distortion through various stages of an audio chain is what gives life to audio signals. Pre amps, filters, tape, vcas etc
ambientnoise
I’m thinking more of distortion synthesis techniques.. like wavefolding, waveshaping, phase distortion, etc..
Chevron87
A song without distortion is like a party without alcohol
synthpriest
Go ask Sherman. angry
felixer
Chevron87 wrote:
A song without distortion is like a party without alcohol

so you need to get drunk to have a good time? how sad ...
about distortion: as always there is a time and place for everything. i hear some stuff that is so overdistorted you can't even hear the music.that is bad. i never use distortion on everything (as in mastering). tradidionally it has been used on guitars, basses and organs. it generates certain overtones on sound that lack them. so don't use any distortion on ,say, cymbals ... distorted vocals are a trademark of industrial. and for me it only works if it is done heavily. just a bit makes it sound like it is badly recorded. maybe used to mask mistakes made there? if the music is good you generally don't need distortion, but maybe a better tune!
blinosynth
I think a good amount of distortion is fine in some part of the song
Everithing distorted no
.. well depends
Scories
ambientnoise wrote:
Is there any other way to achieve distortion without distortion pedals on modular?


I Always choose saturation over distortion, especially tape saturation.
skunk_hour
I think heavy distortion is overused. People have figured out that what makes a lot of old recordings stand out is the kinds of distortion on them, but they go about it the wrong way, overcompress, use stompboxes, etc. What's better is a whole lot of layers of very subtle distortion, which add up to a more complex, unique sound.

It's a lot more trouble, unfortunately.
felixer
ambientnoise wrote:
Is there any other way to achieve distortion without distortion pedals on modular?

lot of ways: you can distort the mixer. or the interface (assuming you use a computer) or you can get a valve/tube amp and drive that hard.
monads
ambientnoise wrote:
Is there any other way to achieve distortion without distortion pedals on modular?


The upcoming module from Schippmann "CS-8 DST2"?? It's a distortion module based on his ebbe und flut design.
snercle
hmm distortion should be used like notes, you should use all different types, and at different volumes, i reckon.
also like notes if you always use the same one your music will be boring.

i don't use distortion effects really but i do overload through various bits of analog gear for nice harmonics (distortion)
WisdomWriter
solaris wrote:
reverb abuse is even worse


i agree with this.

also with the extreme levels of distortion. ill use it to add subtle harmonic content. but destroying a sound, to me, defeats the purpose of creating a sound.
sizone
snercle wrote:
hmm distortion should be used like notes


yeah, people use way too many goddamn notes too.

look, skinny puppy last rights, best album ever. like, 40 or 50 notes over the entire hour and most of them bass.

virtually any jazz album, worst album ever. all the notes, just a gushing septic tank geyser of indiscriminate, extraneous, wanky, wanky notes.
slumberjack
sizone wrote:
skinny puppy last rights


lots of distortion found on this.
MindMachine
I like the distortion on this guitar line. Maybe it is considered 'fuzz'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqo-cs4SZUs
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