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Sampling off YouTube

Post by DT » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:05 am

Yo!

Do you sample off YouTube?
If so, how?

I am actually lucky cause I have both a laptop and a MacMini where I run Logic and I am actually thinking about recording videos thru the soundcard, instead of "downloading" the audio

Also, it legal?
Not sampling official videos / songs whatever, I mean random videos, etc

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Post by lisa » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:12 am

Legal for personal use or for sharing? In which country do you reside?
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Post by DT » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:55 am

for own productions

I live in Italy

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Post by DT » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:57 am

I mean, if I sample few secs of a girl singing in her bedroom or someone playing video games is it illegal?
or someone demonstrating a synth?

ofc I don't mean to sample published songs / content

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Post by suboptimal » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:31 pm

I'm curious about the technical side of this as well.

From a legal standpoint, something posted on Youtube is probably deemed to be "published" regardless of the professionalism of the creator. But if by "published" you mean work from a professional outfit like Disney or whatever then you're right to avoid it.

The legality of sampling depends on how your local laws treat the videos as well as how the creator treats the material. Some creators allow others to use their material and say so in their video descriptions. Something like a "creative commons license" might allow you to use things for your own personal use or to create new videos with clips from the licensed video, but not to create commercial tracks.

I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of people shouldn't worry about taking snippets of material from things like random users' Youtube videos, even if there is a technical argument to be made that it's a violation of copyright law. The chances of any real consequences are extremely remote. The calculation changes if you plan to sell your recordings, or otherwise get famous enough to where your exposure will be more likely to be found by people who have their lawyers on speed dial. The vast majority of the creative public doesn't operate like this.

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Post by leeski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:16 pm

Maybe something like this


[video][/video]
«:::A:::» «:::W:::» «:::E:::» «:::S:::» «:::O:::» «:::M:::» «:::E:::»

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Post by DT » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:33 pm

suboptimal wrote:I'm curious about the technical side of this as well.

From a legal standpoint, something posted on Youtube is probably deemed to be "published" regardless of the professionalism of the creator. But if by "published" you mean work from a professional outfit like Disney or whatever then you're right to avoid it.

The legality of sampling depends on how your local laws treat the videos as well as how the creator treats the material. Some creators allow others to use their material and say so in their video descriptions. Something like a "creative commons license" might allow you to use things for your own personal use or to create new videos with clips from the licensed video, but not to create commercial tracks.

I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of people shouldn't worry about taking snippets of material from things like random users' Youtube videos, even if there is a technical argument to be made that it's a violation of copyright law. The chances of any real consequences are extremely remote. The calculation changes if you plan to sell your recordings, or otherwise get famous enough to where your exposure will be more likely to be found by people who have their lawyers on speed dial. The vast majority of the creative public doesn't operate like this.
I release music commercially, yes.
But my records don't sell more than 1.000 physical copies currently, with max peaks of 50.000 Spotify plays which are fairly low numbers / exposure in the market.

But you never know, I mean, maybe a track gets popular and I might get caught.
I really don't know, why should someone demonstrating some Prophet 5 presets would ever complain about me ripping off a chord?
Also would they recognize sounds after they are heavily mangled and processed? I find it pretty impossible.

Clearing samples gotta be a pain in the ass but I don't want to avoid sampling also, which I find pretty inspiring and fun lately!

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Post by catchin » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:49 pm

YouTube has a great page on this

and this is an interesting read on how Drake sampled from a YouTube video

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Post by sleepgardens » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

On a mac you can use Soudflower or Loopback to directly record Youtube audio into your DAW, or Audio Hijack to just record it on a file.

On windows you can use Synchronous Audio Router to do just the same.

Have fun.

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Post by shreddoggie » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:24 pm

Why do a bunch of so-called musicians care if it is 'legal' to sample obscure sounds for their even more obscure productions that no one ever hears? At least you could believe in some sort of punk rock anarchist free art aesthetic instead of worrying about rights as if you have any. Any corporation that owns the rights to anything would grind your little sincere art into the ground if they felt threatened or stood to make a buck but you just bend over and find the Vaseline... #SAD - read up on sample trolling.

The most famous sample troll are Bridgeport music. They create nothing, they simply own the rights to recordings and litigate on their (the recordings) behalf. It is not about protecting the development costs of creative people, it is a predatory and stifling parasite living on the life blood of all creative people and by extension: everyone. If anyone is interested in how insane this is, take a look into the case of the buried 2 second sample in NWA’s 100 miles and Runnin’

The most meaningful thing to ponder is this: whose side are you on exactly? Sampling is alive and well, it is totally legal and practiced regularly, but by whom? Answer: those with the money to pay the fees. Meanwhile the exploited are in a passionate and self righteous fight to defend the rights of those who exploit them. You can sample as long as you’re Kanye - thanks to big corporations with big money shell games. To make matters worse, this kind of sampling is often the ‘cover version style’ (loop the hook verbatim) that is clearly not art such as one might find in The Orb or Public Enemy. Who would support this to the detriment of the health of art in the hands of true innovators? Yay for corporations owning everything and stifling art, all for the benefit of people who create nothing.

I sample any and everything indiscriminately and will continue to do so. More yellow vests - less kowtowing to sociopaths who make no secret of their hatred for you. Anyone afraid of having a huge hit and losing a lot of their huge profits because of an unauthorized sample needs their head examined.
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Post by xclark » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 am

The Range Journeys to the end of Youtube
To make his new album as the Range, James Hinton scoured YouTube’s deepest corners to find webcam randos to sample in his tracks.

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Post by Hainbach » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:44 am

My videos get sampled all the time. I am fine with it as long as there is attribution and if it gets big or used commercially I get notified and cut in. Here is one of my most favorite examples:

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Post by DT » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:35 am

shreddoggie wrote:At least you could believe in some sort of punk rock anarchist free art aesthetic instead of worrying about rights as if you have any.
agree on this

don't agree on worrying if you plan to release your stuff on a commercial level
I don't think I'll ever sell 1.000.000 downloads or streams but you never know

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Post by Panason » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 am

Rogue Amoeba Loopback

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Post by suboptimal » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:47 pm

In case I've been misunderstood, my point was not to suggest that people shouldn't sample, but that people can benefit from understanding the risk they are taking. I agree that the risk is tiny, but acting like it doesn't exist because it's a bunch of corporatist bullshit isn't allowing for a frank assessment by people who might take the risk more seriously, for whatever reason they may have.

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Post by catchin » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:53 pm

:hihi:

I sample stuff from YouTube often. No one buys my crap anyway so the license owners aren't getting paid anyhow.

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Post by CF3 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:59 pm

My soundcard goes into my console (via the patchbay), then I can record the pre-fade direct out of that signal (or post fade, or the signal recorded thru FX on a buss, etc...). No Soundflower or other trickery needed.

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Post by 3pand » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:51 am

I also use soundflower and it works perfectly, maybe just be careful about downloading it from the right source? Also, depending on your interface, you might not need soundflower, I had a focusrite for a while that had a loopback feature that basically did the same thing. Have fun!

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Post by CF3 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:43 pm

Another way to get the audio off of Youtube (and pretty much any web source) is something like KeepVid Pro.
You just copy/paste the web address and rip just the audio. Works really good. I use it all the time for various things.

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Post by samplebias2 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:52 pm

I can confirm or deny NOTHING, but the bassline in this song sounds suspiciously similar to the raw, naked Sequential Pro-1 bass patch in the intro to 80's hit "I Wonder If I Take You Home" by Lisa Lisa:

https://youtu.be/FzXgU6gu_IU[/url]

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Post by drox » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:13 pm

related viewing :


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Post by Klangzaun » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:25 am

On a Mac I use audacity to sample from YouTube and on Windows I use waverec (very old program).

What is legal and what is not is written in the videos. You can check the license. But it is always more safe (and more polite) to ask the person, who uploaded the video, if you can use some parts of it.

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Post by matthewjuran » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:49 am

Some videos are set to Creative Commons Attribution, so if you follow that license (attribute it in the way the licensor wants or something like that) then you can do what you want with those videos. I posted some of my works with that.

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Post by alexander92 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:33 pm

Don'nt you why you guys are still ripping with these old programs. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl checck this out, you can actually rip real good quality of youtube nowadays. Mostly in a codec called Opus, it gave real results quality wise.

But yeah kinda cheap in a sense if you're sampling your favourite artits. So when I actually sample I'll make sure I do it in mp3, if rarely,,,, . I read an interview though about a famous producer who on purpose uploaded his tracks on youtube and sampled himself again just to get that youtube compression. :mrgreen:

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