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Author Propellerheads Complex-1 for Reason?
Wiresandones
Looks interesting. The main drawback is that it appears you need the latest full Reason which I don't have.
Anyone checked out the demo or purchased yet?

http://cdm.link/2018/12/complex-1-reason-modular/



"Complex-1 is a modular synthesizer from Propellerhead Software, bringing the quirks, freedom and sonic depth of modular synthesis to to your Reason Rack. Boasting a 4x oversampled synthesis engine, a freely routable signal and modulation path and a sound like nothing else, Complex-1 is a synth lover’s dream machine."
https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason/rack-extensions/complex-1
Luap
I have it.. In my humble opinion this is one of the best things the Propellerheads have done in years. Really.
It sounds great, and isn't difficult to use at all. The front patching feels a bit weird for Reason to begin with, but you soon get used to it.
Some excellent sound designers worked on patches for it too.

And yes, I believe it needs Reason 10.1 or later.

(Side note, the new Quad Note Generator player is also very good!)
Wiresandones
Thanks!

So torn as it’s a lot of money to upgrade when it’s solely just for this.

Yet ...Seems like a perfect way to focus as other modular solutions get out of control for me so quickly... when you have too many options it’s hard to get things done.
noeticsound
I’m having a blast with Complex-1.

Wiresandones, I agree with your critique of the overwhelming choice of other modular systems. I suspect you meant software modulars particularly, but Eurorack’s been giving me option saturation lately, too.

Complex-1 strikes me as a well-specified collection of modules that, together, are deep, flexible, and powerful but are nonetheless not without limitations - limitations that ultimately inspire creativity.

If you already own Reason 10 and are into modular synthesis, it’s a no-brainer.
ben_hex
Just made a big tutorial for Complex-1 having first worked on some presets for the software. Hope it's useful smile

https://youtu.be/XRbUrNEjbj4



"Try Reason and Complex-1 free for 30 days:
http://bit.ly/DivKid-Complex-1

www.patreon.com/divkid

00:00 introduction

00:28 Complex-1 overview

SOUND GENERATORS

Complex Osc

01:00 Buchla 259 heritage and features

01:40 Waveforms and waveshaping

02:28 Mod bus - FM / frequency modulation and modulating FM depth

03:03 Mod bus - AM / amplitude modulation and modulating the AM depth

03:53 Mix output - modulating the crossfade between the oscillators

04:18 Building complex tones with internal modulation, cross modulation and feedback

05:05 Audio rate modulating waveshaping

Osc 3

05:16 Osc 3 overview

05:40 Osc 3 as even more audio rate modulation for the Complex Osc

06:29 Range control, turning the Osc 3 into a sub audio rate LFO

Noise

06:46 Noise overview and sound demos

06:58 Red noise

07:15 Noise as a FM / modulation source (tool for learning and new sounds)

07:59 Blue noise

08:13 Jitter, instability and “life” with noise modulating oscillator pitch … or “how to make an angry bee in a can live in your waveforms

08:55 Resonant noise

09:52 Band noise

10:01 Static noise

10:10 Binary noise

10:16 How to make dial up internet modem sounds … wooohooo!!!

11:00 Modulating / sequenced noise as an audio rate modulator for oscillator wave shape

11:22 Buffer noise

SOUND SHAPERS

Shaper

11:58 Shaper set up and functions

12:26 Saturate - overdrive and PWM like FX

12:52 Wavefolders - what are they? How do they work?

13:08 Fold 1 - wave folding and PWM-like symmetry FX

13:36 Fold 2 - more VCO sync like tones with the second fold mode

13:59 Bipulse - wave-wrapper-esq. tones with a curved, folded, rectified like wave

14:25 Pickup - pick up style overtones, great when modulated with an envelope

14:40 Processing external audio through the Complex-1, hit tab and patch the rack!

15:01 Glitch - adding kinks and inaccuracies in the waves for rich and buzzy overtones

Filter

15:43 Low pass filter

16:14 Audio rate filter cut off modulation for formant / vocal / vowel / glottal tones.

17:03 LFO filter wobbles

17:17 Filter drive - filter burn and fattening

17:26 A word on filter key tracking

17:44 High pass filter

17:57 LPGs / Low Pass gates - what are they? How do they work? What’s unique about them?

19:29 Percussive LPG set up

20:32 Alternate ways to use the LPG

Comb Delay

20:52 Comb Delay set up and explanation

21:13 Karplus Strong Synthesis - what is it? Set up and sounds.

22:30 Using modulation for chorus / flanger like sounds

MODULATORS

LFO

22:53 LFO functions - rate, shapes, sync/reset, positive and inverted negative outs.

23:26 Clock sync-like effects with the reset input

24:17 A basic look at uses of normal and inverted LFO outputs used in a patch

24:58 Decay shape - falling envelope like shape

25:23 Step up 3 and 4, Step up and down

25:44 Smooth random - the secret sauce! smile … using it to create drift, “life” and an organic moving base texture to patch around.

ADSR

26:44 ADSR, set up, patch, inverted outputs

UTILTIES aka the real magic of a synth!

Mixer

27:56 Mixing oscillators pre-filtering

28:31 Mixing CV modulation for more complex interesting and animated modulation

29:14 Mixing unit “offset” voltages

30:18 Modulating modulators

30:40 Chaining mixer channels for up to 4 channel mixing

Lag Processor

30:58 Lag processor - slew, lag, glide, portamento - what is it?

32:08 Using the lag processor as a second low pass filter

32:41 Creating more fluctuating smooth random voltages

Scale & Amp

33:24 Scale & Amp as attenuators or VCAs

33:41 Modulating modulation depth with VCA and making the classic fading vibrato modulation

34:55 Using the MIDI / sequence inputs or controllers to create velocity dependent modulation depths

Clock, quantising, sequencing, function generator and oscilloscope

36:01 Building a quick sequence

36:32 Creating sequencer patterns, controlling the range and quantising

36:59 Gate pattern sequencing

37:18 Changing sequencer step length

37:52 Clock 1 - a bonus LFO!

38:32 Clock 2 - with modulatable clock multiplication

38:45 Clock 2 - freeze / on/off control

39:31 Using the lag processor with modulated clocks for complex LFO shapes

40:05 Sequencer reset

40:28 Sequencer Curve output as a modulation source

41:03 Using an offset to transpose a sequence

41:39 Quantizer 2 - quantising LFOs for arpeggios

42:03 Function generator overview

42:26 Sample and hold S&H - making stepped random voltages

42:47 Sample and hold - LFO inputs for stepped LFO movement

43:16 Min/Max for audio processing

43:55 Onboard FX - building a sequence to demo the FX

44:44 DON’T FORGET THE OUTPUT MIXER!"
DigitalNativeDunce
I thought this sounded so cool that I bought Reason to get it!
Luap
Top work on the vid Ben! thumbs up
ben_hex
DigitalNativeDunce ah cool, enjoy it.

Thanks Luap
KittenVillage
I was going to pick up Complex -1. Low CPU usage on it. Really loved DivKid's vid. But then I've got so much already invested in Reason that I just couldn't pull the trigger on this one. Not even rent to own.

I decided to build my own.

Effects first, maybe Clouds, and an Ear unit for input. Tie it into another computer with an old Balance (audio interface from Propellerhead) so I can record.

Yeah, something about it made me go "screw this, I'd rather own the hardware."

So here I am.

Not giving up on Reason -- I hope to have some Refills for sale this year -- and I'm pretty passionate about that DAW. But yeah, Complex-1 made me want hardware.

Wonder where I can get some of those Propellerhead branded patch cables they had at Superbooth last year?
Luap
KittenVillage wrote:
I was going to pick up Complex -1. Low CPU usage on it. Really loved DivKid's vid. But then I've got so much already invested in Reason that I just couldn't pull the trigger on this one. Not even rent to own.

I decided to build my own.

Effects first, maybe Clouds, and an Ear unit for input. Tie it into another computer with an old Balance (audio interface from Propellerhead) so I can record.

Yeah, something about it made me go "screw this, I'd rather own the hardware."

So here I am.

Not giving up on Reason -- I hope to have some Refills for sale this year -- and I'm pretty passionate about that DAW. But yeah, Complex-1 made me want hardware.

Wonder where I can get some of those Propellerhead branded patch cables they had at Superbooth last year?


Really? You can replicate Complex 1 with 2 computers, an old balance interface, Clouds, and 'an ear unit' ? Are you modulating one computer with the other computer?
Please, do explain how cool

(Or are you, as I suspect, just shit posting all over the forum because you you have something to sell and you couldn't care less about littering the place with inane drivel)
KittenVillage
Luap wrote:
KittenVillage wrote:
I was going to pick up Complex -1. Low CPU usage on it. Really loved DivKid's vid. But then I've got so much already invested in Reason that I just couldn't pull the trigger on this one. Not even rent to own.

I decided to build my own.

Effects first, maybe Clouds, and an Ear unit for input. Tie it into another computer with an old Balance (audio interface from Propellerhead) so I can record.

Yeah, something about it made me go "screw this, I'd rather own the hardware."

So here I am.

Not giving up on Reason -- I hope to have some Refills for sale this year -- and I'm pretty passionate about that DAW. But yeah, Complex-1 made me want hardware.

Wonder where I can get some of those Propellerhead branded patch cables they had at Superbooth last year?


Really? You can replicate Complex 1 with 2 computers, an old balance interface, Clouds, and 'an ear unit' ? Are you modulating one computer with the other computer?
Please, do explain how cool

(Or are you, as I suspect, just shit posting all over the forum because you you have something to sell and you couldn't care less about littering the place with inane drivel)


Great gatekeeping there, Luap. I do not have anything to sell. I am just starting out in Eurorack, and yes I would like to see the marketplace here. To buy, perhaps. I can't get there without participating though.

Hold on, bear with me. I know, I'm just a shitposting newbie to you. I'm not going to quote Rick Astley, but I am no stranger to the internet and I shouldn't volunteer more information for you to misinterpret. But I'm going to let you know where I'm coming from regardless.

FWIW, I think you misunderstood my post about Complex -1. I did not say that I could replicate it with two computers. (Though I'll add -- snarkly -- that maybe you could if one was running VCV Rack.)

I have another computer next to my electronics bench that hasn't been used much except to program an arduino a couple of years ago. That's the one that's going to be next to my new eurorack case and modules with my old balance interface to record with Reason. (And yes, I actually have two Reason licenses as well.)

But I do not intend to replicate Complex-1. What I meant in my post is that, in the parlance of the ex-mormon or ex-JW forums on reddit, Complex-1 'broke my shelf'. That is, I've been such a devotee of Reason (since Dec 2000) that I've always felt that investing deeply in hardware isn't quite worth it to me. I'm so into Reason that I've got 335+ rack extensions on my main account. (Admittedly that's because since they came along I am making enough money and can finally afford them.) I've always been more of a software guy than a hardware guy.

And one of the things I deeply love, having spent a lot of time coding for it, is the system Reason uses to tie in midi controllers into itself using LUA. I've actually gone on a weird binge the past couple of years buying controllers and I've got 5 or more that I picked up and don't use (because I haven't written interfaces for them.) And also yes, Reason has midi learn and such, and I could hook them up if I had more desk space...

The point, going back to Complex-1, is that I think a lot about interfaces on software synthesizers and how to tie them into midi hardware. My Nektar p4 has it's little screen, my Novation SL mk2 has automap on screen though automap hasn't been updated since Reason 6, I think. There's a great remotemap for the BCR2000 but you'd want to print out a stack of overlays just to follow what each dial is controlling for the different rack extensions. So you see, I've put a lot of thought about the interface on screen -- all those 300+ rack extensions I've got -- and how to tie them into all this midi gear.

Which brings me back to Complex-1 and why it "broke my shelf". Made me totally say 'fuck spending $100, I'd rather spend 10 times that and have hardware. (Or rather, start the process of having hardware.) It's those damn front wires. Yes, I know, many rack extensions have modulation grids, and those aren't midi assignable. It's not like Propellerhead can assign midi to each of those wire points, it's just not in the design of the thing. And yes, you can assign all the knobs to midi. But something about that interface, what it is trying to be...

And don't get me wrong. It succeeds. It's lovely, low CPU usage, too. You can, and I did during my trial of it, pack 8 of them in a combi and they sound great and did I mention CPU light? Lovely bit of code Propellerhead, as always.

Maybe for me, also, watching DivKid's video made youtube's algorithm spit out more eurorack videos at me, but honestly I was watching plenty synth vids already. I was all set to buy Complex-1, but I kept putting it off until it hit me that I didn't want to emulate, I wanted to piece it together myself. So, for me, the thing I want to try first is getting an MI Clouds and an MI Ears and putting them into a rack so I can play my guitar through it. Then I can add things each month, as my budget allows. But I think I'm done spending money on Reason for a while.

It does feel like dropping out of a religion and having your first cup of coffee and I'll be damned but that shit is good. And I think I'll fire up the soldiering iron in a few weeks and do some DIY modules.

So I know this is is a novella, but I wanted you to know where I'm coming from. I know you trolled out at me Luap, and here I am giving you plenty of personal data to troll more. But maybe we could just keep it to you saying 'littering' and me saying 'participating'. Do I really need to break out the Rick Astley at you?
Rigo
KittenVillage wrote:
Great gatekeeping there, Luap. I do not have anything to sell. I am just starting out in Eurorack, and yes I would like to see the marketplace here. To buy, perhaps. I can't get there without participating though.

You can ... you just can't start new posts in the BST before you have 100 posts.
So buying is no problem.

But in defence of Luap, it wouldn't be the first time that people do a lot of irrelevant posting and then post 101 is in the BST forum.
KittenVillage
Rigo wrote:
KittenVillage wrote:
Great gatekeeping there, Luap. I do not have anything to sell. I am just starting out in Eurorack, and yes I would like to see the marketplace here. To buy, perhaps. I can't get there without participating though.

You can ... you just can't start new posts in the BST before you have 100 posts.
So buying is no problem.

But in defence of Luap, it wouldn't be the first time that people do a lot of irrelevant posting and then post 101 is in the BST forum.


That's weird, I'd swear that for the past week I kept getting a message that I couldn't even look at the BST forum until I'd made 50 posts. But I guess that was the members only forum. I guess all I can say in my defense is that I've got a LOT of tabs open while I do research into things.

So my apologies. I hope you don't find all my posts to be shitposts.
Phitar
Re: Complex1... Looks neat but will they be adding additional modules to expand what is there? Or is that Complex-2? meh
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