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Speculation on new product from Elektron for 2019?
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chrisryan15
If this sort of thread isn't allowed here, please feel free to remove this. I don't post too much but am constantly reading different threads here, so I am unclear on some of the posting rules here. seriously, i just don't get it

I've been seeing a lot of leaked images for new products supposedly being announced for winter NAMM this year(Volca Digital Drum, Volca Modular, Minilogue xd, etc). It made me think, anyone have any speculation on what Elektron might have planned? Im wondering if they will release something like an Analog Keys MKII... I've been eyeing an Analog Keys lately and am wondering if there will be an updated version soon.

I know there's the classic Overbridge situation, but I'd like to avoid talking about that.

What do people want to see?
Samaepstein
AK mkII would be amazing. So much wasted space on the original that could be full of knobs or performance pads etc. Also a bigger screen with a better angle. Lots of potential there!
PLNB
Analog Drive and Overhub MK2. applause

I’d like to see a new Analog Keys MK2 with triple sized screen, mod stick performance automation, 8 voices, and sample playback like rytm. Additional CV, Gate in/outs to match voices would be nice.
GuyaGuy
PLNB wrote:
Analog Drive and Overhub MK2. applause

I’d like to see a new Analog Keys MK2 with triple sized screen, mod stick performance automation, 8 voices, and sample playback like rytm. Additional CV, Gate in/outs to match voices would be nice.


I’d be down with that even without the samples. Of course assigning the polyphony could get tedious. Maybe they could make the UI via the big ass screeen.

Also why doesn’t Elektron align their knobs with the screen? Having to count 1-2-3 virtual knobs and then 1-2-3 physical knobs isn’t ideal. Yeah not a huge deal but if it were a website it wouldn’t win any Webbys.
chvad
If they made an AK2 I'd like to see some MIDI out on the seq and effects saved per patch. I found the sends frustrating when development fx dependent patches. more polyphony and a bigger screen like mentioned above would be cool.

My original AK in the box in minty shape is in FS/FT now! smile
chrisryan15
chvad wrote:
If they made an AK2 I'd like to see some MIDI out on the seq and effects saved per patch. I found the sends frustrating when development fx dependent patches. more polyphony and a bigger screen like mentioned above would be cool.

My original AK in the box in minty shape is in FS/FT now! smile


I've looked at your FS/FT post! Its a nice deal! I saw that you didn't want to ship it (don't blame you), but I'm located in MI. I also don't really have the funds at the moment with it being right after the holidays...

Having polyphonic sample playback would be so sick!

There is definitely room for a bigger screen, wouldn't that be nice! and it is a real shame that the analog series doesn't output have a midi out on the seq, that would add so much functionality. Guess it sort of undermines the octatrack then.

I wonder when they will come out with a new, big product (not the digitakt/digitone size). last one that wasn't just a new rendition of a previous product was the RYTM if I'm not wrong? might be some time still since the digitone is still pretty fresh
nectarios
Something overly expensive that will have mediocre build quality and will have Overbridge, but Overbridge will still not function properly by the time it comes out.


Joking aside, an effects box...or MIDI/CV/Gate sequencer would be even better!
iVardensphere
I'd like to see something a little different from them. My hope for the last few years has been to see something of a live performance mixer.

A box that can take 8-12 channels, sequence a variety of fx per channel, save scenes and have all that sort of fun. Some of it can draw on the DNA of the octatrack (crossfader scenes and such) while also going down the rabbit hole on sequencing your entire mix from various instruments.

Yes... this is my wish from Elektron. SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
gentle_attack
iVardensphere wrote:
I'd like to see something a little different from them. My hope for the last few years has been to see something of a live performance mixer.

A box that can take 8-12 channels, sequence a variety of fx per channel, save scenes and have all that sort of fun. Some of it can draw on the DNA of the octatrack (crossfader scenes and such) while also going down the rabbit hole on sequencing your entire mix from various instruments.

Yes... this is my wish from Elektron. SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!


Thanks just sounds like an Octatrack with 8+ Ins Rockin' Banana!

You could probably get there using an Octatrack and a K-Mix. If you're bothering to post this you've probably considered a similar setup.

I agree something like you are describing would be awesome.
PLNB
But whatever comes out absolutely can’t steal feature X from Y box because Elektron. One must use our clumsy file system to manage everything separately, even though we promote buying the entire line we just MK2’d.

Where is the “hub” that ties in their battle station setups? A file manager/fx/performance controller would really help tie together these boxes.
calaveras
I think they are going to make more of these half size boxes like the Analog Heat, Digitakt, Digitone etc. I bet they sold a ton more of those than Analog Keys!

I'm also wishing they made an Analog Keys MKII with more of an orientation to being the master unit in a multiple Elektron device system.
Samples would be dope, but then it's no longer Analog Keys, it's RYTM Keys, or it's wait, no, go back. Uh I guess they'd need a new name.

Also would like to see a performance mixer. But wonder if that would end up just being a DJ mixer with MIDI? I suppose you could have beat synced filter effects or master effects like Reverb, but it would kind of need to distinguish itself in some way to justify its existence.
lisa
I foretold a sampler a year or so before the Octatrack. I didn’t foresee how complex it would be though. The Monomachine and Machinedrum are so simple to use and yet very powerful (my favourite combination).

The A4 did me in. Way too complex for me. I had it almost a year and never made anything decent with it. Dead Banana

What will Elektron do next (except for mk2s and 3s)? A pure sequencer to end them all, perhaps? The heart of a CV and MIDI setup? Perhaps with mixing and recording for a dawless experience?
PLNB
Elektron Keys, boom! I really think that file management is where Elektron struggles. So much time was spent to cram everything into their baby displays, and even the newest stuff is dated and requires too much fiddling and navigation memorization for sound, sample, and project management. If you want me to buy three of your standalone boxes, give me the glue to make those separate pieces shine better than working through them separately. I want templates for mixing everything quickly, sticky performance controls from a single box, midi that works inside/outside their garden, and file management from a single box to keep sanity when working on multiple projects. Overbridge to me was a huge gamble, and set back the ethos of the original products.
GUM
my guess is a multi-FX unit akin to the Erica Fusion Box.

as stated above a master sequencer / mixer / file manager that served as an Elektron Megazord of sorts would be appreciated - at this point they should just reconfigure overbridge to make this 'master machine' be the central hub / processor for OB so it can just be the one box utilizing the buggy software instead of several others.
synthpriest
Advanced digital drum synthesizer engines inside a new box. Digital is the new analogue. hihi
Panason
Yeah, a sample pack titled Bridge Over Troubled Waters mwahahahahahahah twisted
skunk_hour
Maybe a Machinedrum reissue? Seems like there's still quite a demand for those.
calaveras
They should do a Machinedrum/Monomachine re-issue. With both combined into one.
Add in the microtiming and probablistic sequencing. But none of the other bullshit.
UW and sampling should be standard and easy.

Would it kill them to have more t shirts?
Blingley
calaveras wrote:
They should do a Machinedrum/Monomachine re-issue. With both combined into one.
Add in the microtiming and probablistic sequencing. But none of the other bullshit.
UW and sampling should be standard and easy.


This happens and I'm actually buying an Elektron box.
SOPiiAC
They need to make a standalone sequencer that can be the heart of a large midi and modular setup. If anyone can take over that market, they can.
calaveras
Blingley wrote:
calaveras wrote:
They should do a Machinedrum/Monomachine re-issue. With both combined into one.
Add in the microtiming and probablistic sequencing. But none of the other bullshit.
UW and sampling should be standard and easy.


This happens and I'm actually buying an Elektron box.


There you have it Elektron. Two guys on the internet will buy it. Now it's up to you to make it or else Capitalism is a failure.
I dont make the rules.


No but that would rule.
mongrol
PLNB wrote:

Where is the “hub” that ties in their battle station setups? A file manager/fx/performance controller would really help tie together these boxes.


The overbridge development hell proves they are incapable of making such a thing.
ObsoleteModular
I think they’ll enter the Eurorack space with either drum voices or a sequencer
nectarios
mongrol wrote:
PLNB wrote:

Where is the “hub” that ties in their battle station setups? A file manager/fx/performance controller would really help tie together these boxes.


The overbridge development hell proves they are incapable of making such a thing.

Well, they have MIDI I/O and analog outputs.
So any odd mixer, a couple of external FX (they do have their own, which are "ok") to have on the mixer's sends and everything is tied in together really.

People play sets like that with no problems.
LameAim
Blingley wrote:
calaveras wrote:
They should do a Machinedrum/Monomachine re-issue. With both combined into one.
Add in the microtiming and probablistic sequencing. But none of the other bullshit.
UW and sampling should be standard and easy.


This happens and I'm actually buying an Elektron box.


16 tracks of mixed engine usage in one box? I’d probably buy one even if the UW component was missing (because let’s face it - they’ll want you to buy a Digitakt for that, even though it’s not the same.)
spacezignul
SOPiiAC wrote:
They need to make a standalone sequencer that can be the heart of a large midi and modular setup. If anyone can take over that market, they can.


I use my Digitakt mostly that way, I almost forget it is a sampler/drum machine sometimes
Unborn Gore
I’d like to see them do an updated Monomachine in the AK form factor. The engines should be updated to include robust wavetables, 4 OP FM, and granular/sampling.
IanEye
Updated Mono/Drum combo

8 analog outs for 8 machines
machines can be either mono synths or drums or FX
8 midi tracks

USB functionality for killer librarian features/backups wavetable loading etc
USB MIDI
but no promises of USB audio

Basically the Octatrack sequencer for both internal and external midi
but the MonoMachine's 1 delay per machine
locust_locust
I'd like to see a Digitakt with 8 outs.

I'd like to see Overbridge actually released and stable, but I've given up on that.

It will probably be AK II.
Tajnost
Hehe... never was a fan of Elektron sound, but as others mentioned, yes - we need a MASTERMACHINE:

1) Updated Machinedrum + Monomachine + Octatrack engines in one box
2) 16 free engine assignable channels/voices
3) OT scenes functionality, but with 4 scene points = A/B/C/D, and a possibility to morph between them with a joystick
4) 4 or more inputs to let it be a center of a live set
5) External Midi tracks
6) Simple live oriented interface, nice modern knobs and buttons, and a silverface design

Well, if it happens I guess I'll finally get myself an Elekron, otherwise laptop with Ableton and controller is still more powerful and handy...

hmm....

lisa
They can’t make one box with many of the selling points from most of the boxes without killing the rest of the line and my guess is that nothing like that will happen.
Nutritional Zero
lisa wrote:
They can’t make one box with many of the selling points from most of the boxes without killing the rest of the line and my guess is that nothing like that will happen.


Correct. Many people have indicated their interest in a standalone Elektron sequencer. I think this would kill their business... You could buy the sequencer once and never buy another Elektron product again.

The thing I actually like about Elektron is that each unit has “some” combination of voices, FX, sequencing, and external connectivity. You can take any single Elektron and it will add value to you even if you own no other gear.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with each box not having the same featureset. I have four Elektrons and I have never connected them all together. I tend to use them one at a time in conjunction with other devices, and I select the one that’s got the right features for the task.
nectarios
Fair comments about them not making a standalone Elektron sequencer...although it most probably would sell like hot cakes.

Very happy with the Rytm, happy with the A4 and I guess happy with the Heat since its an integral part of the live set now. They are all mk1s and I don't see my self buying anymore Elektron stuff, unless the boxes I own break down and I buy them again..mk1s again.

Rytm is the best box of theirs for me and one of the best boxes, overall, ever.
SteeVtheRipper
I would really love to see another analog keys. The New A4 engine sounds good and I always thought the A4 Keys was a sharp looking unit. Would love to see a refreshed one with the new silver livery and a knobby interface. Perhaps even an expanded version with 8 voices.
Nutritional Zero
I don’t think they’ll do another Keys, at least not based on anything we’ve seen. Elektron are aiming squarely downmarket and I think if you put keys on something you’re competing with the combination of Keystep (or whetever the user has lying around) plus a Digitone or a cheap pad controller and Digitakt.

A keys makes sense as a premium product, but that’s not where Elektron’s energy is. (I randomly heard they ARE doing something upmarket this year, but I don’t trust it. I think small boxes is their bread and butter now.)
chrisryan15
Tajnost wrote:
Hehe... never was a fan of Elektron sound, but as others mentioned, yes - we need a MASTERMACHINE:

1) Updated Machinedrum + Monomachine + Octatrack engines in one box
2) 16 free engine assignable channels/voices
3) OT scenes functionality, but with 4 scene points = A/B/C/D, and a possibility to morph between them with a joystick
4) 4 or more inputs to let it be a center of a live set
5) External Midi tracks
6) Simple live oriented interface, nice modern knobs and buttons, and a silverface design

Well, if it happens I guess I'll finally get myself an Elekron, otherwise laptop with Ableton and controller is still more powerful and handy...

hmm....



Hah YES! this product would be sick. I love the idea of a joystick (reminds me of the intellijel planar) Love your rendering too! the big screen looks like it would be nice
Tajnost
chrisryan15 wrote:
Tajnost wrote:
Hehe... never was a fan of Elektron sound, but as others mentioned, yes - we need a MASTERMACHINE:

1) Updated Machinedrum + Monomachine + Octatrack engines in one box
2) 16 free engine assignable channels/voices
3) OT scenes functionality, but with 4 scene points = A/B/C/D, and a possibility to morph between them with a joystick
4) 4 or more inputs to let it be a center of a live set
5) External Midi tracks
6) Simple live oriented interface, nice modern knobs and buttons, and a silverface design

Well, if it happens I guess I'll finally get myself an Elekron, otherwise laptop with Ableton and controller is still more powerful and handy...

hmm....



Hah YES! this product would be sick. I love the idea of a joystick (reminds me of the intellijel planar) Love your rendering too! the big screen looks like it would be nice


the rendering isn't mine - I took it somewhere on elektronauts forum, someone replied to my MASTERMACHINE plan with such a nice render... Yes, that's what I would finally buy to replace the computer on stage (which I use as a mixer / efx / sampler ). No need to overlap other Elektron machines features, just give us back MD and MM with sampler option, powerful engine and a few unique features, as a joystick etc...
Tajnost
What also could be a killer feature of new Elektron is nearly modular modulation functionality via matrix: everything modulates everything. Something close or even deeper than we have in new Prophet X or Waldorf Quantum or even Dave Rossum Assimil8or sampler.
slicetwo
Tajnost wrote:
Hehe... never was a fan of Elektron sound, but as others mentioned, yes - we need a MASTERMACHINE:

1) Updated Machinedrum + Monomachine + Octatrack engines in one box
2) 16 free engine assignable channels/voices
3) OT scenes functionality, but with 4 scene points = A/B/C/D, and a possibility to morph between them with a joystick
4) 4 or more inputs to let it be a center of a live set
5) External Midi tracks
6) Simple live oriented interface, nice modern knobs and buttons, and a silverface design

Well, if it happens I guess I'll finally get myself an Elekron, otherwise laptop with Ableton and controller is still more powerful and handy...

hmm....



This is just like the dream machine I posted on Elektronauts today! Haha.

While it’d be glorious in a Digi-sized both, the original box sizes (OT/MM/MD) would be fantastic… just don’t put it in those new A4/AR MKII monstrosities.

DigiStudio

16 tracks of audio- Each track can be a stereo polyphonic sample (4 octaves of pitch shifting), MD machine, or MM/DN machine
16 tracks of MIDI
OT style slicing with DT style granular abilities
SSD drive
2gb for “flex” machines
per track dual filters and delay
Super arpeggiator (DN meets OT meets MM) for MIDI and audio
3 lfos per track (2 destinations each)
2 assignable envelopes per track (2 destinations each)
3 FX slots per track (updated versions of the OT FX)
All the bells and whistles of the Elektron sequencers (TRC, microtiming, etc)
Different note lengths for chords (ability to hold down one note while playing others over top)
Master compressor
Multiples balanced inputs and outputs (with CUE like the OT)
Full sized MIDI I/O and CV
OLED screen (perhaps a bit bigger than the OT/A4/AR/MM/MD ones)
minimum 8 bars per pattern and the ability to do odd time sigs with steps per page (7/8 would mean 14 steps on each of the 8 pages, for example).
Song mode!
USB host abilities for USB MIDI controllers
Overbridge v7
suboptimal
I'm an old fart and still think the Machinedrum is their best instrument. 16 separate, flexible voices, sufficient outputs, lots of LFOs, so on. Finding a replacement for the MD today is awfully tricky.

I think the Digi units fill some of the gap that was left by the retirement of the MD/MNM. The Rytm might have replaced the MD if it had the full range of MD voices onboard. If they were ever to add the MD's digital architecture on top of the Rytm's analog synthesis (hopefully with a less fiddly approach to sample management) I would try to find a way to buy that unit, so long as it had an adequate amount of hardware I/O.

I would also be interested in a successor to the Monomachine, but at this stage of my studio's evolution the new form factor is going to really limit my interest.
mongrol
slicetwo wrote:

DigiStudio

16 tracks of audio- Each track can be a stereo polyphonic sample (4 octaves of pitch shifting), MD machine, or MM/DN machine
16 tracks of MIDI
OT style slicing with DT style granular abilities
SSD drive
2gb for “flex” machines
per track dual filters and delay
Super arpeggiator (DN meets OT meets MM) for MIDI and audio
3 lfos per track (2 destinations each)
2 assignable envelopes per track (2 destinations each)
3 FX slots per track (updated versions of the OT FX)
Overbridge v7


Why the fixed architecture? It should be any amount of LFO's, any amount of FX layers. Want another LFO? Just add one. 1 on that track, 6 on that one. Same with tracks? Just keep adding them until you run out of CPU. The Deluge does this no problems. No, using embedded C and fixed arrays are not an excuse for poor programming.
tim gueguen
Elektron will introduce some sort of guitar synth. Like many of the companies not named Roland they will find this a financially harmful idea.
Gribs
They need to put all of their efforts behind release Overbridge before releasing another hardware unit. Yeah I had to say it, sorry.

Their boxes are great without it, but they made a business promise over two years ago and have not yet delivered on it. It feels like a sort of Ponzi scheme where they promised it for one thing but have been releasing new things to pay for its development.

That they have a beta test but made it closed irks me.
acidbob
calaveras wrote:
They should do a Machinedrum/Monomachine re-issue. With both combined into one.
Add in the microtiming and probablistic sequencing. But none of the other bullshit.
UW and sampling should be standard and easy.

Would it kill them to have more t shirts?


Agreed love
nearly ghost
My dream is also a re-worked machine drum UW with plenty of that 12bit crunch & expanded storage. The analog filters from the mk2 rytm. Its not gonna happen but hey lol

My best guess is overbridge 2 introduction
Diabolik!
Gribs wrote:
They need to put all of their efforts behind release Overbridge before releasing another hardware unit. Yeah I had to say it, sorry.

Their boxes are great without it, but they made a business promise over two years ago and have not yet delivered on it. It feels like a sort of Ponzi scheme where they promised it for one thing but have been releasing new things to pay for its development.

That they have a beta test but made it closed irks me.


i really tried holding out for overbridge, but i recently got to the end of my rope and sold all of my Elektron stuff (except for my Analog Keys). Octatrack (x2), Analog Rytm, Digitakt, Heat, etc. I'm sorry some people don't get this, but we need to be able to mutitrack our instruments in order to do a proper mix and actually release music. It's a shame, they lost a really loyal fanboy in me, and I'm sure countless others.
gentle_attack
Diabolik! wrote:
Gribs wrote:
They need to put all of their efforts behind release Overbridge before releasing another hardware unit. Yeah I had to say it, sorry.

Their boxes are great without it, but they made a business promise over two years ago and have not yet delivered on it. It feels like a sort of Ponzi scheme where they promised it for one thing but have been releasing new things to pay for its development.

That they have a beta test but made it closed irks me.


i really tried holding out for overbridge, but i recently got to the end of my rope and sold all of my Elektron stuff (except for my Analog Keys). Octatrack (x2), Analog Rytm, Digitakt, Heat, etc. I'm sorry some people don't get this, but we need to be able to mutitrack our instruments in order to do a proper mix and actually release music. It's a shame, they lost a really loyal fanboy in me, and I'm sure countless others.
You couldn't multitrack with the Rytm, Octatrack (x2 stereo at least) or the Heat (which is stereo in stereo out) ?

That's a legitimate grip with the Digi____s and sort of on Octatrack, but I'm not following you on this one.


I love Digitone and am trying to do what I can with it, but not having 4 stereo outs, justified by Overbridge, when Overbridge doesn't exist, is bullshit. If I didn't love the synthesis engine on the Digitone it would be history in my setup.
synthpriest
suboptimal wrote:
I'm an old fart and still think the Machinedrum is their best instrument. 16 separate, flexible voices, sufficient outputs, lots of LFOs, so on. Finding a replacement for the MD today is awfully tricky.


We need an all new digital percussive synth from Elektron. hyper
bimbom
gentle_attack wrote:
Diabolik! wrote:
Gribs wrote:
They need to put all of their efforts behind release Overbridge before releasing another hardware unit. Yeah I had to say it, sorry.

Their boxes are great without it, but they made a business promise over two years ago and have not yet delivered on it. It feels like a sort of Ponzi scheme where they promised it for one thing but have been releasing new things to pay for its development.

That they have a beta test but made it closed irks me.


i really tried holding out for overbridge, but i recently got to the end of my rope and sold all of my Elektron stuff (except for my Analog Keys). Octatrack (x2), Analog Rytm, Digitakt, Heat, etc. I'm sorry some people don't get this, but we need to be able to mutitrack our instruments in order to do a proper mix and actually release music. It's a shame, they lost a really loyal fanboy in me, and I'm sure countless others.
You couldn't multitrack with the Rytm, Octatrack (x2 stereo at least) or the Heat (which is stereo in stereo out) ?

That's a legitimate grip with the Digi____s and sort of on Octatrack, but I'm not following you on this one.


I love Digitone and am trying to do what I can with it, but not having 4 stereo outs, justified by Overbridge, when Overbridge doesn't exist, is bullshit. If I didn't love the synthesis engine on the Digitone it would be history in my setup.


the public beta was released today .. and on the main thread on the Elektronauts forum it was mentioned that uniquely for Digitone , it will be streaming 4 x Stereo tracks to keep panning via usb audio .... digitone isnt quite as ready as the other machines right now ...

text from forum post .......
Even more actually, as I have official word that the digitone individual tracks over USB will be stereo (preserving unison stereo spread)

So 1/2 main out, (I suspect most likely selectable as stereo FX return feed only, like the A4)
3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10 for the 4 voices
11/12 for 2 external inputs.
Funky40
agreed on a digital Drummachine.
exactly my thought since i know the Basimilus iteritas.
*That* sound with *that* p-locking would kill it wink......and then add some on top since its 2019 wink.
AdamJay
bimbom wrote:

text from forum post .......
Even more actually, as I have official word that the digitone individual tracks over USB will be stereo (preserving unison stereo spread)

So 1/2 main out, (I suspect most likely selectable as stereo FX return feed only, like the A4)
3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10 for the 4 voices
11/12 for 2 external inputs.


That was my post. I got direct word from Olle at Elektron regarding this.

I'm rather excited!
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