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Which one of the fam would you start?
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Author Which one of the fam would you start?
Looking for some advise for a first Ciat Lonbarde instrument to go with. I'm selling some euro and am really liking the instruments from Peter B.

Strangely enough, I didn't use to like the sounds I heard on demos, but recently I've been trying to make plucky pinged filter sounds mostly which seem to be what gongs were made for.

Eventually I would like to have a plumbutter, Sidrax, coco, and maybe even a deer organ. I see some great deals on BST right now, Sidrax seems to be perfect for me, I usually make drone music as it is and it looks to excel there.

Which instrument out of those listed above would you start with? Would love to perform with one instrument for Modular on the Spot.

P.S. Do I need patch cables and a power supply if I order direct from Synthmall? I thought I heard that you had to order an adapter as they are not included.
Personally, I'd start with the Coco and if you can stretch it, Coco and Sidrax together...that combo is just amazing, endless fun. After that I'd pursue the Plum. The first choice depends on what you enjoy more...crazy broken but beautiful sample mangling (coco) or odd gong drones and drums. None of Peter's instruments are shipped with a PSU and you'll definitely need banana cables. If you opt to go with the Plum you'll want A LOT of cables, it really gets more and more interesting the more you patch it.
The Grump
I started with the Coco and haven't left it. It's utterly unique, and evolving. It's rather unlikely you'll ever outgrow it, but it's not exactly easy to use, nor is it immediate, per se. If you just want to get weird nonsense out of it, that's not difficult, but to really get it to sing takes time. It's even more expressive if you plug in raw banana jacks, and bridge the connections with your fingers. That's when things get really crazy because you can use pressure to attenuate the amount of signal being passed from one point to another, and you also act as an organic CV mixer. Super fun instrument! Should it be your first? I can't tell you that.

q. why?
a. because it is peter's simplest and yet most complex instrument. its the best introduction to "thinking in ciat-lonbarde", if that makes sense.

q. how does that make sense?
a. it is simple as in its a (Coco + Quantussy), i.e., (delay/looper) + (powerful CV controller + simple sound generator)

it is complex as in the Quantussy is an elegant interface to a huge, vast sonic landscape

not to mention:
- bananas, meaning that you have an alien operating system for sound at your fingertips,
- 4 inputs, including XLR for Mics, and three stereo minijack inputs for synths, tape recorders, computers, what not.

sidrax is cool but coco is cooler
plumbutter is much simpler than the coco.

once the cocoquantus "clicks" in your head, thats it, everything in C-L is simpler
I spent a long time wondering which to get first Plum or Coco, but finally settled on Plum. I have not yet received it, so time will tell if I made the right choice.

The reason for choosing this finally came down to the sound. I'm currently working on a project where I am often finding myself needing quite clean sounds. Eventho I do really enjoy the actual sound of the Coco samplers, they do have their very particular lowfi glitchy sound which is always more or less noticeable. Sounds like this (another similar sound could be distortion, for example) can not be taken out. Plumbutter seems to offer a larger range of sounds, also quite clean ones if needed.

I do know that you can also use Quantussy as a sound source, but I could not find enough info on how big of varities of sounds can you actually get from it.
Thank you all for the input! The coco seems pretty cool, but seems to really come alive with other sounds being fed into it.

Reminds me of phonogene and other such sampling/mangling devices. I always enjoy them but it takes some time getting used to and I don't think it might be the best place for me to start personally...
I started with a Plumbutter and I am sure you won‘t be disappointed. So many sources of sound and modulation. And the sound itself (somenthing very important to me since I have always been in search of the „perfect wave“) is simply lovely. Comparing several oscillators from Eurorack to classic synths leaves the Plumbutter at one of the top places in the list:

tears on a wallflower
Lewis# wrote:
I started with a Plumbutter and I am sure you won‘t be disappointed.
tears on a wallflower

That was an incredibly wonderful peace, thanks so much for sharing!
bumping this, now have a sidrax and rollz 5 Meng Qi version.

Which should be next, plumbutter or coco? Will the rollz 5 be enough to not need plum butter? I also plan on getting a deerhorn organ in the future...
plumbutter can do A LOT more than rollz5 so you'd want one eventually but get a Coco next for now Rockin' Banana!
CoCo has tested my patience more than plumbutter, so that might also sway your decision with one being more instantly gratifying vs a slower build up. With PB you can fall into patterns, and a nice composition all by itself. With Coco you want to preplan a little more and bring in outside material to get caught in the web of buffers and glass orb mangling. Both are awesome as always. nanners
jimmie wrote:
plumbutter can do A LOT more than rollz5 so you'd want one eventually but get a Coco next for now Rockin' Banana!

I started with plum and then built a rollz5 right away for more rolls but the gongs and dogs on the (stock) rollz5 don't compare. The pb is also more than the sum of parts, just a beautiful instrument, whereas the rollz5 seems more like a CL expander to me.

I've been getting into tape loops more than ever lately, so I'm finally ready for coco. Coco can self-generate or sample synths, but I don't think I would have been ready before I started going in this direction. Plum eats bananas, coco eats tapes.
The Coco is definitive the maker in C-L
The Plum is just an great device but the Coco is a massiv world of its own...
Coco and Sidrax + 2 pedals are seriously enough to make an EP
this seems like as good as any thread to try to get some opinions:

im also considering a first C-L (after building/learning/recording with and subsequently selling off my first 7U).

what attracts me to peters instruments is of course the promise of the unknown (which I found lacking in eurorack) and true experimentation.

my studio has evolved into using ableton 10 for master clock/arrangement, elektron rytm + digitone, peak, and microwave xt.

ive been eyeing the bastl thyme for processing - specifically drums - a lot of my current practice involves beat mangling, incidental sounds, texture - kind of post-dance musique concrete collage.

for a while i thought the plumbutter made the most sense to me but now im wondering if i ought to hold back on the thyme and put that $$ towards a coco.

if anyone in here uses the coco for this kind of processing or could compare it to something like the thyme that would be super useful.

thanks smile
first thoughts about coco vs thyme: they're VERY different.

the thyme is a digital processor with midi, cv control, and digital emulations of time-based effects.

the cocoquantus is an advanced control matrix (the quantussy) modulating two delay/looper/samplers (the cocos), while being an amazing mixer, input device, interface, and experience.

i use the coco for mixing, dj, live, singing, tremolo, hocketing, square wave shepard's tone, control, loops, effects, sonic weirdness.

most importantly, the FEELING of ciat-lonbarde is very different than any emulation/digital workflow. this manifests as FEELING and EXPRESSION during performance and composition. difficult to put in words, it is VERY apparent in person
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