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Eurorack Sequencing with VCF & VCA Gates
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Author Eurorack Sequencing with VCF & VCA Gates
Steverido
I wonder if anyone can help!

I am sequencing with Rebel Technology's Logoi or Stochiea.

Clock is coming from Ableton via Malekko Sync Module.

I would like to send Gates to my VCF & VCA from the Beatstep Pro.

Not sure how I can achieve this.

Could it be Clock out of Malekko Sync to BSP Clock In & then back out of Clock Out of BSP into either Logoi or Stochiea?

Not sure how to send the Gates to the VCF & VCA though.
authorless
You probably want to send the gate to an envelope or two instead of straight into the VCF and VCA. You can send it straight to the VCA, straight into the VCF is going to be super boring. You just send the gate straight to where ever you want it. Mult it if you need to send it to multiple locations.
kwaidan
Send MIDI thru from the Malekko output to the MDI in on the Beatstep Pro. If you have the DIN SYNC module, you could send time to the BSP with it.

As for gate, I believe there is a way to setup the BSP to act as a MIDI/CV converter. Then you would have to use the MIDI thru. I assume you would have to configure one of the CV/GATE sequencers to work this way with the software program. I haven’t tried it.

You could also get a MIDI splitter box.
Steverido
authorless wrote:
You probably want to send the gate to an envelope or two instead of straight into the VCF and VCA. You can send it straight to the VCA, straight into the VCF is going to be super boring. You just send the gate straight to where ever you want it. Mult it if you need to send it to multiple locations.


I probably didn't explain very well. I meant gate to envelopes with CV going to the VCF & VCA.

Still not sure from the comments how to do this though.
Steverido
kwaidan wrote:
Send MIDI thru from the Malekko output to the MDI in on the Beatstep Pro. If you have the DIN SYNC module, you could send time to the BSP with it.

As for gate, I believe there is a way to setup the BSP to act as a MIDI/CV converter. Then you would have to use the MIDI thru. I assume you would have to configure one of the CV/GATE sequencers to work this way with the software program. I haven’t tried it.

You could also get a MIDI splitter box.


Not sure how to achieve this when I want to use sequencing from the Rebel Technology modules.

Does the gate not have to match the sequence?

Previously I have used midi from Ableton with Silentway on the channel.

I have not patched or sequenced from Eurorack or the BSP before.

Perhaps it is my lack of understanding. I don’t understand how patching works yet.
authorless
I am not exactly sure what you are trying to accomplish. For me to help you I would need a lot more info. You only want to control one voice?
kwaidan
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
Send MIDI thru from the Malekko output to the MDI in on the Beatstep Pro. If you have the DIN SYNC module, you could send time to the BSP with it.

As for gate, I believe there is a way to setup the BSP to act as a MIDI/CV converter. Then you would have to use the MIDI thru. I assume you would have to configure one of the CV/GATE sequencers to work this way with the software program. I haven’t tried it.

You could also get a MIDI splitter box.


Not sure how to achieve this when I want to use sequencing from the Rebel Technology modules.

Does the gate not have to match the sequence?

Previously I have used midi from Ableton with Silentway on the channel.

I have not patched or sequenced from Eurorack or the BSP before.

Perhaps it is my lack of understanding. I don’t understand how patching works yet.


First, you need to decide what you will us for the master clock. Then you need to slave the rest of your clocking modules to it. If you want to control everything through Ableton, then you can send MIDI out to the Malekko and BSP.

Alternately, you can use the BSP as the master clock.

If you are going to mix samples or other synths with Eurorack, then it is probably best to use Ableton as the masterclock. (While you can slave Ableton to an outside clock, things can get a little tricky.) Send Ableton MIDI out to the Malekko and send its out to BSP, or send Ableton MIDI out to the BSP and send its output to the Malekko. Afterward, you can send clock out to the Reb Tech modules. These modules can vary the beat by slowing it down, speeding it up, etc.

If you do not want to use Ableton, then you could use BSP as the master clock and send its output to the Malekko and the Reb Tech modules.

Ableton sends clockout by default. You may have to configure each MIDI port in the options menu to sync up everything correctly.

To set up the BSP in master or slave mode, use the controls located in the top left corner of the unit.

At first, synching everything is a little tricky, but once you play around with everything, it gets easier.

I wrote this quick, so I may have missed something.

As for you other questions about envelopes and gating, like Authorless, I am confused. However, if you use Ableton or BSP as your master clock, you could use the output from one of the Reb Tech modules to vary the beat, add some swing, etc.
Steverido
Understood. I will try and explain it clearer and upload image.



Uploaded a JP showing my patch Is this patch correct?

First of all, I want to use Ableton as the master clock unless there is an easier way. How do I sync Eurorack with Ableton?

I only want to record from Plaits into Ableton. I don't want to send midi sequencing from Ableton.

I want to use the Rebel Technology modules to sequence Plaits. I might use the BSP later.

How do I send gates to the VCF & VCA I guess is my fundamental question?

Could I use the mult from the trigger of the sequencer to go to Plaits and the gate inputs of the ADSR's?

How the envelope gate is triggered is where I struggle to understand. And how it relates to the sequencer.

Added BSP inputs just in case anyone had advice.

Hope this explains things better.
kwaidan
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.
kwaidan
IMPORTANT: While Malekko makes a DIN SYNC add-on module to send clock to other equipment like the BeatStep, you do not need it to send or receive clock between your Sync module and BSP.

Instead, you can buy a Y splitter cable: 1/8” male TSS to two 1/8 female TS. Hosa makes one: Hosa YMM-261 Stereo Breakout 1/8" Male to Dual 1/8" TS Female Cable.

One female socket sends or receives clock and the other sends or receives stop/start. From memory, tip is clock and ring is stop/start.

If you want to slave it to your Eurorack, plug Y splitter cable into the sync in jack on the BSP. If you want the BSP to be the master clock, plug it into the sync out jack.

Steverido
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


The Stoicheia is certainly triggering Plaits. Probably requires a quantizer. I have a Disting 4 that can do that.

I will use BSP to sequence at some point. I think that the Rebel Technology modules are much more fun though.
Steverido
kwaidan wrote:
IMPORTANT: While Malekko makes a DIN SYNC add-on module to send clock to other equipment like the BeatStep, you do not need it to send or receive clock between your Sync module and BSP.

Instead, you can buy a Y splitter cable: 1/8” male TSS to two 1/8 female TS. Hosa makes one: Hosa YMM-261 Stereo Breakout 1/8" Male to Dual 1/8" TS Female Cable.

One female socket sends or receives clock and the other sends or receives stop/start. From memory, tip is clock and ring is stop/start.

If you want to slave it to your Eurorack, plug Y splitter cable into the sync in jack on the BSP. If you want the BSP to be the master clock, plug it into the sync out jack.



That is a useful tip thanks.
authorless
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


The Stoicheia is certainly triggering Plaits. Probably requires a quantizer. I have a Disting 4 that can do that.

I will use BSP to sequence at some point. I think that the Rebel Technology modules are much more fun though.


Nope, a quantizer will just take a voltage input and constrain it to a (more than likely) western scale in the 1v/oct standard (each semitone is 1/12 of a volt). A quantizer is not a sequencer.

Stoicheia out to clock in on the BSP. BSP for pitch CVs.
Steverido
authorless wrote:
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


The Stoicheia is certainly triggering Plaits. Probably requires a quantizer. I have a Disting 4 that can do that.

I will use BSP to sequence at some point. I think that the Rebel Technology modules are much more fun though.


Nope, a quantizer will just take a voltage input and constrain it to a (more than likely) western scale in the 1v/oct standard (each semitone is 1/12 of a volt). A quantizer is not a sequencer.

Stoicheia out to clock in on the BSP. BSP for pitch CVs.


OK, interesting.

Do I need to change any settings on the BSP?
kwaidan
Steverido wrote:
authorless wrote:
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


The Stoicheia is certainly triggering Plaits. Probably requires a quantizer. I have a Disting 4 that can do that.

I will use BSP to sequence at some point. I think that the Rebel Technology modules are much more fun though.


Nope, a quantizer will just take a voltage input and constrain it to a (more than likely) western scale in the 1v/oct standard (each semitone is 1/12 of a volt). A quantizer is not a sequencer.

Stoicheia out to clock in on the BSP. BSP for pitch CVs.


OK, interesting.

Do I need to change any settings on the BSP?


The Rebel T Logoi can be used to modify the clock out from Ableton via the Malekko module. It can slow down the beat, speed it up, or add swing.

The Rebel T S module can be used to create interesting beat patterns.

Neither module sends pitch CV, so no quantizer is needed.

If you want to send Pitch CV to Plaits from Ableton, you need to buy a PITCH CV/GATE module for the Malekko Sync; otherwise, use one of the sequencers on the Beatstep Pro.

If you use the BSP, slave it to the Malekko using MIDI THROUGH to BSP MIDI IN. You may have to setup the MIDI OUT channel on the Malekko or the MIDI IN channel on the BSP. Both probably default to MIDI 1 or ALL but consult the manuals.

Once you gat everything in sync, send a melody to Plaits using CV Pitch and GATE Out from the BSP. If that works, you can disconnect the GATE out from the BSP and use trigger out from the Reb Tech S to create interesting patterns.

At first, keep it simple. Once you play around with things, it gets easier to create more complex patterns. Then you can do things like clock the BSP from the RT L.
Steverido
kwaidan wrote:
Steverido wrote:
authorless wrote:
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.

The trigger output from the Reb Tech Stoicheia should be able to trigger the FCUK envelope.

It’s okay to mult a trigger, gate, or clock output.

I am not sure if the Reb Tech module can output a gate signal, but it can output a trigger. You’ll have to play around with it or read the manual.

As for your question about the sequencer, I am a little confused. When you send clock CV to the Stoicheia, it will take the steady rhythm and chop it up into a pattern based on Euclidian geometry; therefore, it is like a rhythm generator.

If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


The Stoicheia is certainly triggering Plaits. Probably requires a quantizer. I have a Disting 4 that can do that.

I will use BSP to sequence at some point. I think that the Rebel Technology modules are much more fun though.


Nope, a quantizer will just take a voltage input and constrain it to a (more than likely) western scale in the 1v/oct standard (each semitone is 1/12 of a volt). A quantizer is not a sequencer.

Stoicheia out to clock in on the BSP. BSP for pitch CVs.


OK, interesting.

Do I need to change any settings on the BSP?


The Rebel T Logoi can be used to modify the clock out from Ableton via the Malekko module. It can slow down the beat, speed it up, or add swing.

The Rebel T S module can be used to create interesting beat patterns.

Neither module sends pitch CV, so no quantizer is needed.

If you want to send Pitch CV to Plaits from Ableton, you need to buy a PITCH CV/GATE module for the Malekko Sync; otherwise, use one of the sequencers on the Beatstep Pro.

If you use the BSP, slave it to the Malekko using MIDI THROUGH to BSP MIDI IN. You may have to setup the MIDI OUT channel on the Malekko or the MIDI IN channel on the BSP. Both probably default to MIDI 1 or ALL but consult the manuals.

Once you gat everything in sync, send a melody to Plaits using CV Pitch and GATE Out from the BSP. If that works, you can disconnect the GATE out from the BSP and use trigger out from the Reb Tech S to create interesting patterns.

At first, keep it simple. Once you play around with things, it gets easier to create more complex patterns. Then you can do things like clock the BSP from the RT L.


The Malekko sync does stop/start Ableton.

I will try slaving the BSP as you have suggested.

Thanks for your help.
Steverido
Stoicheia out to clock in on the BSP. BSP for pitch CVs.[/quote]

I have tried taking the Stoicheia out to the Clock in of BSP and Pitch to Plaits V/OCT and Gate to Envelopes split through a mult to VCF & VCA but nothing happening.

I have the Sequencer muted and still no sound.

Any ideas? very frustrating
Steverido
[quote="kwaidan"][quote="Steverido"][quote="authorless"]
Steverido wrote:
kwaidan wrote:
As far as I can tell, the patch looks correct. I do not have those particular modules, so I am not 100%.


If you want to send notes to Plaits, then you will 1) need to buy an add-on module for the Malekko which will allow you to send gate and CV from Ableton, or 2) use one of the sequencers on the BSP. To do the second task, send MIDI THRU from the Malekko to MIDI in on the BSP.


If you want to send Pitch CV to Plaits from Ableton, you need to buy a PITCH CV/GATE module for the Malekko Sync; otherwise, use one of the sequencers on the Beatstep Pro.

At first, keep it simple. Once you play around with things, it gets easier to create more complex patterns. Then you can do things like clock the BSP from the RT L.



I have bought the CV/Gate expander from Malekko and hooked up. I am scratching my head on how to use it with the Stoichiea.

How do I use the Stoichiea triggers with the Expander to send out CV/Gate to Plaits?

I want to use this rather than the BSP.

My purpose is to only use Ableton to record audio in.
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